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A
B
A
C
A
Anywhere
sure
tonight,
Council
was
meeting
in
a
series
of
committee
meetings.
There
are
three
of
them
first
and
transportation,
then
on
the
finance
and
Kristen
elemen
Planning
and
Development
and
I
was
asked
by
member
Phillips,
chair
of
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee,
to
contrary
to
what
one
of
the
news
agencies
reported.
I,
don't
think
you
Casey
B
to
D
is
not
on
tonight's
Planning
and
Development
Committee
agenda.
C
Thank
you.
Okay,
I
have
one
item
on
the
agenda
tonight,
which
is
the
Richland
Avenue
corridor.
I'm,
just
gonna
update
you
on
some
information
that
received
since
last
time.
You
spoke
I,
think
ray
will
I
have
some
things
to
say
and
answer
some
questions
well
and
then
I
have
a
couple
of
miscellaneous
items
so
in
terms
of
the
Richland
Avenue
corridor,
absolutely
we
left
off
with
discussing
the
engineering
as
of
now.
What
I
know
is
that
the
preliminary
engineering
is
165,000
and
in
terms
of
I
know
that
was
questioned.
C
You
know
it's,
oh
you're,
gonna
participate
or
not
I
think
that's
still
having
conversation
with
them.
It
seems
likely,
but
no
firm
commitment
at
this
time
from
the
University.
Also,
the
first
public
meeting
is
going
to
be
taking
place
on
October
17th.
That
I
believe
is
a
when
Tuesday
Tuesday
Tuesday
in.
C
E
C
C
C
C
G
H
C
D
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Amy,
just
to
be
sure
this
will
cost
some
165
or
200,000.
In
the
first
part,
the
preliminary
engineering
will
be
how
much
the.
C
C
H
J
L
H
Vacation
see,
and
so
we're
talking
about
a
total
package
here
for
a
relative,
relatively
important
area,
but
we're
talking
about
a
package
here,
that's
roughly
in
the
vicinity
of
what,
if
it's
the
minimum
amount,
if
it.
I
I
B
I
H
M
F
F
I
H
I
B
H
H
I
H
Okay
and
those
folks
who
are
who
have
expressed
opinions
on
both
the
proposal
for
a
roundabout
and
other
things
that
are
are
encouraged
strongly
to
show
up
for
this
meeting
in
dairy
Lane.
Then
you'll
have
an
idea
of
how
hard
it
is
to
get
on
into
traffic
right.
They
leave
what
a
thing.
What.
B
H
All
right
so
as
it
is
bare
bones
and
then
the
other
thing
that
I
would
like
to
make
sure
we
have
a
set
out
loud
in
public
and
I'll,
say
it
on
Monday
for
the
minutes.
Yes,
I
think
that
you
have
assured
me
that,
despite
what
people
heard,
meaning
there
will
be
no
need
to
go
in
to
take
other
land
or
to
borrow
other
land
or
to
use
other
land
other
than
the
land
that
we
have
in
our
right-of-way
I
mean.
B
H
I
H
I
D
I
Those
are,
those
are
all
high,
should
be
high
side
cost
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
a
not
to
exceed
you
know,
with
an
hourly
rate,
etc,
etc,
as
per
per
normal
engineering
contracts
will
be
a
little
bit
not
to
exceed
contract
and
as
we
go
along,
if
we
don't
need,
if
we
see
that
three
alternatives
are
not
being
considered
seriously,
and
we
only
need
to
we're
not
going
to
do
a
third
one
just
for
the
sake
thing
wasting
money
right
now
or
if
we
don't
need
any.
Oh.
E
E
I
C
Anything
else
at
this
time,
okay,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
then
to
the
other
items
on
the
agenda.
Oh
spoke
with
Andy
today.
I
know
that
during
one
of
our
last
bicycle
safety
subcommittee,
as
we
talked
about
getting
I,
haven't,
tried,
promise
right,
I,
think
there
Darrow,
rx0
I'm,
not
really
sure
it's
de
ro
there
just
aren't
like
poles
with
around
circle
to
where
you
can
talk
about
two
bikes
to
them.
C
I
know
that
we
are
did
put
one
in
around
the
courthouse
vicinity
and
the
city
building
and
Andy
send
an
email
to
see
me
today
that
we
have
about
15.
More
left
obviously
be
addressing
this
bicycle
safety
subcommittee.
But
if
anybody
has
any
suggestions,
certainly
you
know
suggestions
on
where
to
put
them.
That
would
be
great
again
they're.
Just
they
hold
about
two
bikes
they're.
Just
you
know
stopping
going
not
really
for
storage.
It's
my
understanding,
Debbie.
L
C
You
and
we
yeah.
We
should
only
recognize
that
what
the
newspaper
stands
in
the
trash
can
such
that's
definitely
dressed
in
terms
of
where
they
are
located.
Thank
you
so,
like
I
said
just
looking
for
suggestions
at
this
time,
okay
I
know
that
last
time,
when
we
discuss
stuff
in
my
committee,
it
was
about
the
nearest
Near
East
Side
neighborhood
association.
C
What
was
going
off
the
traffic
calming
with
that
spoke
to
Andy
today,
again
and
I,
know
that
he's
sending
out
letters
to
Morris
Avenue
to
let
them
know
about
the
change
in
the
traffic
on
how
they're
going
to
make
it
not
look
like
such
a
straight
shot
because
of
people
just
speeding
down
Morris
Avenue,
so
as
as
much
as
I
know
as
far
as
what's
happening
with
the
traffic
calming
on
in
the
air
side.
Oh
and
I
know
that
Andy
is
with
Ray
still
currently
on.
C
C
C
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A
Conversation,
you
and
I
had
that
I'd
kind
of
like
to
ask
the
administration
about
the
two
Saturdays
ago.
I
think
it
was
parents
weekend
which
may
have
increased
the
traffic
considerably,
but
the
East
State
Street
exit
getting
onto
the
freeway
people
backing
up
were
backed
up
all
the
way
the
Stimson
Avenue,
where
people
were
coming
up
Stimpson
and
getting
on
the
ramp
to
get
onto
East,
State,
Street
and
really
closing
a
problem.
This
was
about
I
think
about
11:00
a.m.
may
have
been
closer
to
noon
Saturday
before
last.
I
I
A
C
M
C
J
J
J
First
thing
may
be
asked
Andy
stone
exactly
what
time
that
is
Friday
morning.
That
was
his
suggestion
that
it
be
left
overnight
because
of
the
late
time
that
the
event
closes.
It
would
be
just
the
westbound
lane.
I
have
spoken
with
Tom
pile
concerning
this
and
Andy
stone,
and
they
said
that
works
for
them
and,
as
I
said,
I've
been
working
with
the
chamber
and
it's
a
Thursday
night.
J
C
My
last
two
items
for
tonight's
committee
meeting
are
just
announcements
on
the
meeting
times,
which
will
be
consistent
for
the
bicycle
safety
subcommittee
and
the
pedestrian
safety
subcommittee.
So
first
is
the
bicycle.
Safety
subcommittee
is
going
to
be
the
fourth
Monday
of
every
month.
At
5:30
p.m.
in
the
mayor's
conference,
room
I
mean
that
everything
works
out,
nothing's
scheduled
in
there.
C
Something
changes
help
be
sure
to
let
everybody
know,
but
again,
it's
fourth
Mondays
I
just
want
to
keep
these
days
the
same
each
month,
so
people
are
able
to
come
and
the
pedestrian
safety
subcommittees
are
going
to.
Our
first
meeting
is
going
to
be
October
15th,
which
is
a
week
from
today,
going
to
be
at
5:30
p.m.
I'm,
going
to
let,
as
many
people
know
as
I,
possibly
can
I
have
a
list
of
people
who
were
interested
in
the
pedestrian
safety
subcommittee.
K
K
Lpa
I
believe
is
local
project
area
administered
administration,
yeah.
Okay,
this
deals
with
our
plans
for
the
682,
Richland,
Avenue,
interchange
and
adjoining
areas.
This
ordinance
will
enable
us
to
it's
an
enabling
ordinance
so
that
we
can
begin
to
be
considered
for
federal
funding
for
this
project.
I
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
ordinate
of
the
agreement
in
front
of
me
mayor
did
you
have
something
to
add
to
that?
F
Really
means
that
we
managed
the
project
rather
than
oh,
not
managing
the
project
and
charging
this
for
and
I
think
in
the
first
time
they
did.
This,
we
didn't
was
the
West
Union,
Street
Bridge,
and
what
we
wound
up
doing
is
we
had
to
put
six
hundred
six
hundred
thousand
I
think
which
was
the
local
share
into
an
escrow
account,
which
they
then
immediately
as
soon
as
they
awarded
it,
withdrew
six
hundred
thousand
dollars,
and
so
we
have
to
pay
an
essence.
Our
local
share
upfront,
rather
than
as
the
costs
of
curve.
K
K
As
you
know,
right
now
the
contract
runs
it's
a
talent
to
come.
It's
a
fiscal
year
runs
from
July
to
July,
so
usually
we
appropriate
half
of
the
total
each
year.
There
are
plans
to
change
this
to
a
calendar
year
and
try,
as
I
may
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
what
they're
asking
us
for
right
now.
The
total
will
be
a
hundred
and
thirty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
thirty,
six
thousand
fifty
five
dollars
and
some
change
for
our
annual
contract
for
the
public
defender
up
from.
K
F
K
It's
it's
up
as
usual,
but
again
it's
a.
It
is
a
requirement
and
a
service
that
we
really
are
obligated
to
provide
auditor
kept.
Can
you
explain
the
change
from
fiscal
year
to
calendar
year?
What
that
will
mean?
Usually
we
would
appropriate
sixty
eight
thousand
and
something
which
is
half
of
that
amount.
F
F
K
Yeah
so
there's
a
little
bit
must've.
So
this
is-
and
this
needs
to
be
completed
by.
M
K
K
E
F
Past
due
but
I
mean
until
we
get
the
contract,
we
can't
do
anything
it's
one
of
those
they've
negotiated
with,
because
I
need
the
commissioners
negotiate
with
evidence
whenever
they
give
it.
It's
been
set
up
as
a
July,
though
July,
because
that's
the
state
fiscal
year,
so
they
go
with
their
state
budget,
is
but
it's
inconvenient
for
all
the
counties,
because
all
the
counties
in
the
city
that
are
on
calendar
year
budgets
so
they're
going
back
now
to
what
they
were
at
before
they
changed
it
before
they'll,
probably
change
it
again.
K
The
bids
have
come
in
two
twenty
four
thousand
six
hundred
and
twenty
three
plus
there's
a
little
bit
more
five
hundred
for
some
gas
piping
repair
and
some
contingency
I
guess
for
additional
roof
repair,
and
so
the
total
that's
being
asked
for
is
two
thousand
two
hundred
forty
six
dollars.
In
addition
to
the
twenty
four
that
we've
already
appropriated,
this
is
to
repair
a
in
wet
repair.
Weatherize
insulate
upgrade
a
house
that
we
own
on
Central
Avenue
that
we
have
been
renting
through
the
metropolitan
Housing
Authority
and
we
have
neglected
it
for
a
while.
K
O
Thank
you.
We,
you
all
are
aware
of
the
tuition
payment
policy
that
we
talked
about.
I
talked
to
Gary
hunter
today
and
we're
gonna
need
two
ordinances:
one
to
approved
prior
to
ition
payment,
come
on
to
approve
a
policy
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
getting
a
cold
policy
and
the
policy,
as
Jim
said
in
Gary
hunter
recommended,
would
be
for
council
to
approve
tuition
payments,
but
I
also
recommend
that
we
actually
have
a
policy
that
includes
things
like
if
you
drop
the
class
or
leave
the
employment
you
repay
it.
O
Things
like
that
and,
and
so
I
have
a
draft
policy.
I
talked
to
Jim
today
about
that
that
he
can
share
with
Council
so
that
we
have
an
actual
tuition
payment
policy
in
place
along
with
part
of
the
policy
being
that
tuition
reimbursement
would
be
approved
by
council
on
an
individual
basis
basis
tuition.
You
know
payment
being
a
little
bit
different
than
the
training
that
we
are
required
to
pay
for
for,
say,
licenses
for
the
water
treatment
plant
wastewater
treatment
plant,
please
some
fire,
but
they're
required
to
have
on
a
regular.
O
O
O
K
O
E
O
You
repay
it
yes
and
sometimes
discussion
that
you
might
want
to
have
this,
whether
you
pay
for
it
upfront
or
they.
You
know
it's
just
all
I'll
send
out
some
samples
and
then
you
guys
can
decide
on
the
policy.
Basically
I
think
the
ordinance
will
just
be
accepting
the
policy,
and
then
you
can
tweak
that
as
it
goes
along.
It
would
be
my
feeling
you
don't
want
all
of
that
in
your
ordinance.
O
The
Hawking
Valley
Bank
loan
I
renewed
that
loan
a
$300,000
one
that
we
got
three
years
ago
and
we
paid
$25,000
down
and
we
had
two
hundred
seventy
five
thousand
due
June
thirtieth
and
we
talked
about
what
we
could
pay,
whether
we
could
pay
and
I
paid
$10,000
down
and
almost
ten
thousand
in
interest
and
renewed
265
thousand
dollars.
But
in
all
that
discussion
we
never
did
put
forth
an
ordinance,
giving
me
the
authority
to
do
that.
So
I
would
like
an
ordinance
giving
me
retroactive,
effective
authority
to
renew
that.
O
It's
like
I,
said
three
years
since
you
know
what
can
I
say.
We
have
too
many.
Nothing
really
makes
rulings,
but
you
know
anyway,
so
that's
what
happened.
I
did
pay.
You
know
what
I
thought
I
could
on
it
at
the
time,
but
we
don't
have
an
ordinance
giving
me
authority.
I
would
like
an
ordinance
on
Monday,
giving
me
that
authority
retroactively
Lee
and
I've
asked
Gary
for
the
language
for
that
one
also
on
Monday.
O
F
B
F
Couple
items
within
the:
what
is
the
code
office?
We
have,
as
you
probably
read,
pursuing
a
lot
more
on
letter,
letters
about
the
landlord
tenant
laws
etc,
and
the
way
you
wrote
the
things,
the
final
notice
of
it.
If
we
get
to
in
order
to
comply
ass,
be
sent
by
certified
mail.
If
there's
a
significant
number
of
those
by
the
time
will
you
know
get
the
supplies
postage,
we
also
got
some
other
needs
and
vehicle
maintenance
and
gas
and
oil
we're
probably
talking
about
$7,000
shift
in
the
code
office.
F
We
take
it
from
a
100
series
because
we're
down
a
code
officer,
and
so
we
have
a
savings
up
there,
so
just
be
a
transfer
from
the
100
to
the
3,
2
or
3.
Hundreds
on
that
one
I'm
still
getting
a
few
more
parks
and
recreation,
the
community
center,
the
utilities
are,
ap
rates,
went
up
and
I,
don't
think,
we've
quite
adjusted
to
them.
So
we're
going
to
have
to
look
a
little
bit
more
of
that,
because
this
September
reports
came
out
the
end
last
week
and
so
I
probably
will
have
one
there.
F
F
B
L
Committee,
we
have
a
couple
of
items
on
our
agenda.
First
is
a
request
for
a
revocable
license
for
you
to
the
right
away
by
the
summit.
It
codes
run.
I
want
to
first
make
sure
that
everybody
has
all
the
documents
that
we
need
to
have
in
front
of
us
before
we
really
get
into
this.
We
did
have
the
actual
memo
from
Ray
that
had
some
drawings
attached
to
it
a
few
weeks
ago.
If
anyone
does
not
have
that
and
we
need
to
make
copies,
we
could
do
that.
K
B
H
L
D
L
Okay,
thanks
for
your
patience,
I
figured,
we
should
just
have
the
documents
in
front
of
folks
before
we
really
get
started.
The
request
that
we
have
before
us
is
a
request
for
a
revoked
license
to
use
the
right-of-way
for
a
bridge
abutment.
It
is
not
the
overall
project,
so
I
want
to
try
and
keep
us
focused
on
the
issues
that
that
are
related
to
the
bridge
as
much
as
possible
this
evening.
L
What
I've?
What
I
provided
is
the
memo
from
Ray
from
July
5th
and
to
maps
that
were
with
it,
one
which
I
believe
shows
the
first.
Drawing
that
has
a
yellow,
highlighting
I
believe
is
the
design
that
would
require
moving.
So
it's
run
and
then
there's
another
drawing
and
I'm
not
sure.
If
this
one
is
supposed
to
be
a
drawing
of
what
it
would
look
like
if
coats
run,
it's
not
moved
and
the
abutment
is
in
the
right-of-way
correct,
correct.
G
That'd
be
great.
Thank
you.
First
of
all,
I
apologize
for
not
being
here
the
last
time
this
was
discussed
and
I
did
receive
some
communication
from
staff
that
there
were
some
questions.
So
what
I've
tried
to
include
are
a
few
pieces
of
information
that
were
pertinent
to
the
questions
that
were
asked
one:
a
couple
of
documents
here
as
one
as
a
form
letter
and
and
and
the
second
page
is
a
list
of
the
names
of
the
neighbors.
As
there's
a
question
about
notification,
this
was
sent
out
and
in
June
this
past
summer.
G
Secondly,
I've
included
a
copy
of
the
floral
fulfillment
application,
which
applies
to
the
bridge
that
we
have
designed
and
has
been
approved
by
Burgess
and
nibel,
and
that
would
be
the
bridge.
This
is
covered
under
the
permit.
But
I'm
here
tonight
is
not
to
talk
about
that
I'm
here,
to
talk
about
a
request
for
a
revocable
license
and
probably
a
permanent
easement
that
would
allow
us
to
build
a
bridge
that
would
not
require
a
404
permit.
Nor
would
it
require
us
to
do
any
construction
or
any
reworking
of
coach
run.
G
I
thought
this
would
be
something
that
would
be
or
would
appeal
to
you
folks
and
would
enable
us
to
not
not
touch
at
all
coach.
Frankly,
I
do
have
a
letter
here
from
our
engineer.
He
and
t-that
is
giving
a
synopsis
of
that
statement,
which
is
talking
about
the
bridge
impact
in
terms
of
the
flood
study,
which
would
have
none
and
also
the
applicable
applicability
to
the
floral
for
a
permit,
and,
lastly,
we
have
I
think
is
a
color
drawing
this
is
actually
also
was
the
revised
bridge
with
some
engineering
data
on
it.
L
I
would
also
say
that
one
of
the
things
that
in
the
discussion
in
in
the
weeks
in
between
since
our
last
meetings,
one
of
the
things
that
council
members
raise
questions
about
is
potential
impact
in
terms
of
flooding,
because
the
Richland
Avenue
area
tends
to
have
flash
flooding,
which
is
different
from
other
parts
of
the
city.
The
my
understanding
is
that
the
the
design
that
involves
moving
Coates
run
is
the
one
that
it
has
been
submitted
as
part
of
the
overall
plans
that
have
been
reviewed
by
Burgess
and
nibel,
the
Harrah's
data
regarding
potential
flooding.
L
L
L
But
when
we
spoke
last
week,
one
of
the
things
that
that
you
talked
about
is
that
the
the
way
the
stream
is
now
it
hits
an
existing
bridge
on
Richland
Avenue
at
an
angle
and
that
perhaps
moving
it
would
improve
its
ability
to
flow
through
the
existing
culvert
that
goes
under
Richland
Avenue
I,
wonder
if
you
could
say
a
little
bit
more
about
that,
just
what
you've
seen
there
or
what
our
experience
has
been,
whether
there's
been
flash
flooding
in
that
area
already.
That's.
I
D
D
Correct
it
would
not
be
in
the
right
way,
okay,
and
so
so
it's
two
different
options
and
we're
looking
at
the
one
that
would
be
environmentally
least
destructive
to
the
stream
right.
Okay,
and
do
we
have
any
I
mean
aside?
Do
we
have
any
data
or
any
engineering
study
to
indicate
which
one
would
be
better
better
in
the
sense
of
less
disruptive
and
less
prone
to
any
kind
of
clogging
of
the
stream
or
flooding.
I
Well,
I
think
at
this
point
we
don't
have
a
an
evaluation
that
compares
the
two
and
says
based
on
some
criteria,
this
one's
better
than
the
other.
Okay,
one
has
a
zero
impact
on
the
flow,
but
it
doesn't
touch
the
stream
at
all.
The
other
ends
up
with
zero
impact
on
the
floodway
but
relocates
the
string.
D
I
G
Okay,
that's
why
we've
presented
it
really
I
mean
technically
the
the
dot
design
that
we
have
in
this
heck
wrasse
program
that
I
don't
know
if
people
are
familiar
with
it,
but
it
is
a
computer
model
that
FEMA
uses
to
analyze
the
effect
on
flood
elevations.
So
part
of
our
requirement
and
part
of
the
review
that
that
Burgess
tonight
was
done.
G
Is
that
that
heck,
wrasse
analysis
assistant
program
must
indicate
with
the
bridge
we
have
designed
that
there's
no
impact
on
the
hundred
year
flood,
so
my
assumption
has
been
that
you
folks
are
concerned
about
the
effect
of
flooding
here.
So
the
first
most
important
thing
is
that
the
existing
bridge
that
we
have
approved
does
not
affect
the
hundred
year
flood,
but
the
one
that
I'm
requesting
now
the
difference
is
that
we
would
have
to
put
a
bridge
abutment
in
the
public
right-of-way
and
the
right-of-way
juts
out
there.
G
G
This
proposed
design
does
allow
us
to
to
cross
over
coach
run
and
because
it's
a
longer
bridge
and
more
expensive
for
us
by
the
way
it
allows
us
to
span
the
high
water,
so
we
wouldn't
be
required
to
touch
coach
run
at
all
I
thought
that
would
be
appealing
to
you
folks
and
that's
truthfully,
the
simplicity
of
it
and
for
us
it
would
alleviate
our
requirement
for
the
Army
Corps
permit,
which
were
in
process
on,
but
it
would
allow
us
to
get
out
of
that.
So.
D
G
Was
it
no
second
option?
Okay,
I
just
came
up
with
that
and
I
found
out
about
it
because
I
got
into
this
process.
Okay
and
the
Army
Corps
permit
process
is
onerous.
Okay,
so
is
that
got
into
it?
I
thought:
okay,
there's,
there's
lots
of
layers
of
the
Army
Corps
process
and
and
and
one
of
my
engineers
said:
well,
hey
Rick.
If
ya
lengthen
the
bridge
a
little
bit,
you
might
be
able
to
you
wouldn't
be
recording
touch,
codes
run
you
so
you
wouldn't
need
the
arm
for
permit
and
I
thought.
Okay,
I'm.
F
G
H
K
When
I
said
before
was
that
I
I'm
uncomfortable
myself
and
I
think
City
Council's
making
a
decision
regarding
the
stream
and
if
you
have
an
application
in
the
Army
Corps
I
would
rather
do
whatever
they
say
is
best
if
they
said
that
the
revised
bridges
to
better
London
I'd
say
sure,
given
the
easing
but
I'm
just
I'm,
not
I,
have
no
expertise
and
I'm
pretty
sure.
Most
of
us
on
council
don't
either.
G
K
B
J
H
Nancy
well
following
up
in
with
Jim,
said
and
I,
guess
what
Carol
said:
I
I
think
I
personally
would
like
to
see
the
two
done,
so
we
can
compare
and
contrast.
Fundamentally,
this
has
been
our
worst
funny,
letting
the
problem.
2005-2006
thankful
we've
had
a
more
urban
stream
action
in
this
area,
probably
than
on
the
Hocking
I.
Think
those
of
you
who
were
here
in
the
remember
what
Richmond
Avenue
was
a
mess
in
January.
M
H
And
so
I
think
we
we
already
have
been
on
record,
asking
ODOT
to
help
us
out
and
of
course,
nothing's
been
forthcoming
on
that
because
they
expanded
the
upper
reaches.
Now
here
we
are
very
close
to
the
mouth
and
we're
undertaking
a
very
important
action
that
will
have
impact
fifty
years
from
now,
when
your
project
is
still
there
draining
and
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know,
since
this
is
our
input
that
I've
made
the
best
choice
and
I
think
the
best
way
to
know
would
be
to
have
the
one
hand.
H
The
one
proposal
which
I
do
not
buy
has
no
impact,
because
everything
has
an
impact,
but
you
know
I'm,
just
skeptical
I'm,
sorry,
it's
my
nature
and
then
I'd
like
to
see
the
results
are
far
more
and
have
somebody
who
is
objective
and
independent.
Compare
the
two
since
the
stakes
in
this
area
are
very
high.
Mm-Hmm.
G
G
B
G
A
H
H
H
A
M
A
Know
in
the
period
of
time
that
only
been
associated
with
that
we've
had
to
do
an
environmental
study
down
there,
which
I
think
generated
a
notebook
size
document.
We
had
to
do
a
wetland
study
which
I
know
took
two
different
wetland.
Specialists
calls
me
I,
think
about
$9,000
and
we
had
to
pay
$17,000
to
relocate
some
wetlands
to
somewhere
in
the
Scioto
River
Valley
I
know
we
had
to
do
an
archeological
review.
A
I
know
it
was
about
10
below
zero
and
there's
some
guy
down
there
digging
holes
and
we
even
hired
a
backhoe
and
a
driver
to
dig
12-foot
pits
to
make
sure
that
there
was
nothing
of
Indian
Flint
in
the
way.
I
know
we
did
right
now
with
the
and
everything
we've
got
engineers
from
geotech
down
there
every
day.
That's
been
there
for
three
months
anyway.
During
that,
so
you
know
that's
my
experience
with
the
404
we're
talking
the
same
thing,
correct.
A
And
the
engineering
I
know
we
spent
well
over
a
hundred
thousand.
So
you
know
that's
quite
a
process
I,
but
all
of
those
things
you
know
I
could
probably
show
you
the
stuff
and
I
know
what
it
stack
up
higher
than
that
that
these
different
studies
have
generated
all
interesting
information.
I,
don't
know,
I'm
no
engineer,
I'm
kind
of
new
to
project
management,
I
was
kind
of
stunned
and
amazed
to
put
all
the
kid
cost
and
the
implications
of
making
the
kind
of
moves
that
haven't
you
before
us.
You
know
talk
about
Coulson's
I.
H
I'm,
going
back
to
that
I
just
want
it
to
clear
my
own
brain
and
figure
out
what
exactly
it
is
in
addition
to
the
the
trade-offs
between
moving
the
river
or
making
a
longer
bridge,
which
I
think
is
an
important
question.
I'm
not
sure
I
have
the
answer
to
it.
Yet
the
other
thing
is,
we
are
just
talking
earlier
in
the
day
about
spending
how
many
million
dollars
why
mr.
H
to
adjust
the
street
to
accommodate
the
flow
of
traffic,
not
water
from
your
place
in
the
place
across
the
street,
and
you
know
we'll
we
have
to
use
the
right-of-way
we're
starting
down
the
process.
Now
you're
asking
us
to
give
you
the
right
away.
I
mean
a
revocable
license,
is
kind
of
almost
a
joke,
miss
context,
because
what
is
going
to
happen
when
that
when
the
study
comes
back
or
maybe
it
won't
come
back
this
way,
because
the
meetings
will
prevent
it,
but
in
general
what's
happen.
H
H
B
H
H
B
N
L
I
D
A
A
You
know
to
allow
people
to
park
on
something
but
to
build
a
bridge
abutment
on
it
to
take
it
back
to
rebe
able
to
revoke
it
as
kind
of
I.
Don't
know
a
misnomer
here.
Is
that
the
correct
word
I
I,
don't
know
that
we
shouldn't
be
talking
about
abandoning
the
right
away
or
giving
it
to
them,
but
a
revocable
license.
I
would
question?
Is
the
proper
instrument
I'm
sorry
I.
L
Think
we
did
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
the
last
time
and
if
we
decide
that
this
is
the
right
way
to
go,
that
we
should
be
talking
about
in
easement
for
use
of
the
right-of-way.
But
then
a
revocable
license
that
expires
in
10
years
is
just
not
the
right
thing
for
a
bridge
abutment.
This
and
we've
had
that
come
up
before
where
there
was
a
garage
that
existed
on
a
public
right-of-way
and
we
instead,
we
passed
an
ordinance
to
allow
it
to
exist
on
the
right-of-way.
So
right,
yeah.
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
need
to
see
too
is
a
drawing
of
the
bridge
of
button
placement
with
a
drawing
that
shows
the
right
away,
because
the
usable
right
away,
if
we're
gonna,
widen
Richland
Avenue,
is
not
the
same
as
the
right
away
in
the
area
where
the
bridge
abutment
is
there's
a
big
job.
There
are
several
jobs
in
the
Richland
Avenue
right
away,
and
this
would
be
in
one
of
those
whether
the
actual
right
away
is
say,
60
feet
wide
in
this
area.
It's
like
on
the
one
side
of
the
street.
B
L
M
H
B
H
M
D
Ok,
Bojinka,
okay,
I
just
have
a
question
about
the
moving
of
this
cuz
I
see
that
we
move
the
Hocking
River
in
this
town,
which
fascinates
divin
this.
Besides
the
quarter
J
which
mode
and
it
looks
ugly
and
it's
it's
never.
You
know
it
just
kind
of
gives
an
eye
in
some
ways:
an
eyesore,
okay,
so
I'm
curious,
especially
how
the
South
Sider
people
are
thinking
here
like
moving
or
rerouting
a
you
know,
a
stream
seems
to
also
have
the
same
possibilities.
You
know
it's
not
a
natural
setting.
You
know
whatever
is
on
the
sides.
D
D
That's
me,
but
I
was
just
wondering
you
know
what
is
this
all
just
rerouting?
What
does
it
mean,
what
it's
gonna
look
like
and
and
what
other
implications
are
there
for
the
land,
etc
that
is
not
used
to
carrying
a
stream,
suddenly
begins
to
carry
a
stream
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
the
logic
of
that.
You
know
the
environmental
well.
L
At
some
point
during
this
meeting,
I
was
gonna.
Ask
if
other
folks
here
wanted
to
talk
to
us
about
this
and
this.
Yet
that
seems
like
a
good
segue
to
that.
Yeah
I
would
like
to
really
encourage
people
who
speak
on
this
to
try
to
talk
about
the
bridge,
and
you
know
the
preferred
way
to
deal
with
the
bridge
and
not
necessarily
the
project
overall
and
to
really
try
to
stick
to
the
three
minutes.
Can.
K
E
E
But
I
said:
oh,
yes,
copy,
okay
and
I'm
looking
at
it
says
right-of-way,
and
there
are
two
lines
you
point
it
right
away.
I
had
an
arrow
that
intersects
two
different
lines,
I
say:
what's
the
line
as
parallel
to
Richland
is
part
of
the
right-of-way.
Do
you
have
that
on
yours
right
because
it
where
you
pointed
it,
this
is
there's
one
that
goes
at
an
angle
and
as
one
that's
perpendicular
on
a
parallel
to
the
Richmond
Avenue,
your.
E
I
E
E
That
your
call
majors,
proposing
to
to
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers,
turns
really
sharply
and
then
goes
down
underneath
Richland
of
your
bridge.
Yes,
rich,
divers,
okay,
yes,
so
the
words,
some
of
the
words
would
be
with
you're
getting
scouring
on
that
right-of-ways
edge.
If
it
turns
that
sharply.
Is
that
one
of
the
concerns
pardon.
G
G
G
G
E
E
Which
is
not
messing
with
the
creek
this
one
right
here
shows
a
culvert
and
I'm
looking
at
the
scale,
that's
in
the
corner
there
and
the
pretty
blue
water
and
the
salt
at
the
bottom,
as
that's
about
five
feet
from
the
top
of
the
culvert
to
the
bottom
of
the
silt,
and
that
wouldn't
be
changed
in
the
construction
phase
of
your
call.
Well,.
G
G
G
G
E
H
G
N
N
It
valve
20,
Sunnyside,
drive-in
I'll,
try
to
be
very
careful
not
to
speak
about
anything
except
the
bridge.
I
appreciate
it.
President
biases
comments
because
I
was
planning
to
make
to
myself.
I
was
on
council
when
we
started
putting
the
ten-year
rule
on
revocable
licenses
and
it
seems
intriguing.
You
cannot
revoke
a
bridge
that
you
already
have
built.
I
mean
it's
it's
there.
If
you
revoke
it,
what
world
do
all
the
people
do?
N
Who
livery
presumably
living
up
above
at
the
summit,
so
I
think
if
you're
going
to
do
something
you
have
to
give
it
away,
and
if
you
give
it
away,
you
need
to
get
something
from
giving
it
away
and
that
something
should
be
making
coats
run.
A
better
coats
run
the
problems
with
coats
run.
Everyone
says
their
problems
with
coats,
run
it
floods,
and
so,
if
anything
can
be
done
by
the
engineering
studies
that
improves
the
water
flow
and
coats
run,
makes
it
less
of
a
problem.
R
My
name
is
Kristen
Isley,
15
old
coach,
rode,
Athens,
Ohio
I've
submitted
for
you
a
memo
for
your
consideration
that
contains
six
points.
I
will
only
focus
on
one
of
them
that
specifically
I
think
is
relevant
most
relevant
tonight
to
the
bridge,
and
that
would
be
item
number
five.
We
would
request
that
you
postpone
the
consideration
of
the
revocable
license
in
part
because
the
new
traffic
study
plan
until
a
new
traffic
study
plan
is
conducted,
as
is
being
planned.
R
The
previous
one
in
2004
considered
the
impact
of
traffic
on
from
University
courtyard
Avenue
entrance,
and
when
this
study
was
done,
there
were
also
cars
that
were
using
the
Hooper
Street
in
store
entrance,
and
so
for
that
reason
the
expected
traffic
from
campus
edge
of
that
intersection
might
be
configured
as
too
low.
The
other
major
issue
is
is
that
it
was
at
the
time
that
that
traffic
study
was
done
in
600
in
2004.
R
L
Okay,
what,
if
that's
want
to
do
at
this
point?
L
H
Oh
all,
the
same
I
think
I
would
like
to
state
that,
should
mr.
Kurt
get
all
of
his
plans,
that
I
would
be
willing
at
that
point,
I
mean
have
state
plans
in
hand
to
work
on
an
easement,
and
you
know
maybe
what
ad
said
I
think
we've
talked
about
it
before,
but
maybe
there's
something
there,
but
it
might
be
premature
at
this
point
but
I.
You
know
I'm
not
been
necessarily
that
easy
I
knew
mr.
Kirk,
but
I
think
I
would
I
would
go
along
with
that.
H
If
everything
is
done
is
ready
to
go,
you
know
if
you
jump
through
all
your
hoops.
If
we
have
a
comparison
and
seve
steps
know
so
I'm,
like
the
good
cop
tonight,
I'm
saying
once
you
are
at
the
point,
he's
ready
to
go,
I
mean
I,
think
you
could
count
on
at
least
on
my
foetus
comparison,
for
whichever
one
is
so
compared
to
the
best
better,
better
better
of
the
two
provided.
You
think
about
going
down
there
and
shoveling
it
out
yourself
or
sending
someone
else.
G
Alright,
so
far,
the
questions
you
asked
me
I,
don't
know
what
more
information
I
can
give
you,
but
I
think
you
have
you
in
general,
you,
the
Athens
has
the
information
that
is
answering
the
questions
with
respect
to
flood
flood
reviews,
flood
studies,
you
know
that
that's
been
completed
with
respect
to
traffic.
What
in
reference
to
800
and
some
beds?
That's
also
been
completed,
I'm
happy
to.
G
Pursue
this
revocable
license
as
and
as
a
condition
that
we
will
have
it
reviewed
and
by
Burgess
and
nibel,
and
that
they're,
all
of
all
of
the
pertinent
agencies
I'll
be
happy
to
do
that
and
I
actually
think
that's
already
part
of
your
process,
I'm
reluctant
to
design
it
now
and
go
through
another
review
process
and
sort
of
do
the.
What?
If
it's
not
that
important
to
us
this
I,
it's
it's!
G
B
H
B
H
G
G
Me
no
no
change
within
the
parameters.
Your
existing
parameters
you
have
for
application,
I
mean
there
are
there
standards
of
404
application
all
the
things
that
mr.
bias
was
talking
about
that
list
of
things.
There's
a
there's.
A
parameter
set
up
in
those
I
I
can't
speak
about
a
heck,
rat's
program.
I
know.
H
G
H
H
But
I
think
that
so
it
is
to
us
and
if
we're
going
to
give
you
part
of
the
right
away,
which
is
we're
not
going
to
do
a
revocable
license,
I,
don't
think
I
think
we've
all
decided.
That
was
not
a
good
idea.
A
long
time
ago,
couple
I
think
we'd,
like
additional
information,
comparison
contrast
of
the
hydrology
of
that
area,
given
the
fact
that
this
is
possibly
the
most
dangerous
blood
area
for
urban
flooding,
and
that
would
mean
not
going
to
an
engineer
running
another
half
grass.
We
don't
need
that.
H
E
E
E
Council
right
now
is
this:
this
one
needs
to
be
engineered
or
finessed,
or
at
least
proved
that
doesn't
make
a
difference.
I
mean
you
look
at
that
that
profile
right
there
and
that
looks
to
me.
It
looks
a
very
a
very
narrow
eye
in
a
needle
type
of
situation
there.
It's
actually
it
looks
smaller
than
those
culprits,
so
the
Oh
doc
put
in
upstream
so
I
would
be
concerned
about
it.
Oh
I.
G
G
E
E
G
L
What
what
I
think
I
think
there's
a
couple
of
different
things
that
we're
talking
about
here,
I
think
them
saying
that
there's
no
impact
is
looking
at
flow
rates,
and
you
know
what
the
peat
flow
is
gonna,
be
in
a
hundred
year,
storm
event
and
what
I've
heard
people
expressing
concern
about
is
the
hydrology
during
an
event
where
you've
got
debris
in
the
stream,
and
so
now
there's
some
some
kind
of
constriction
there.
Even
if
the
flow
of
the
water
wouldn't
have
an
impact,
we
know
that
things
are
not
that
tidy
and
I
don't
know.
L
I
mean
I
believe
that
there
are
ways
for
people
to
evaluate
this,
but
it
may
not
be
the
model
that
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
think
anyone's
doubting
that
you're
that
what
you're
describing
wouldn't
change
the
the
capacity
of
the
stream
to
handle
that
flow.
There's
a
question
about
what
happens
during
an
actual
storm
right,
yeah.
I
Let
me
make
sure
that
I
understand
what
the
you
know
so
that
I
can
ask
the
question
properly,
because
if
I
understand
the
right
terminology,
we
would
want
a
hydrological
hydrological
comparison.
So
if
we
could
get
verges
an
eyeful
and
EMH
and
t
to
provide
us
that
information,
then
we
have
to
assuming
if
they
can
do
a
hydrological
analysis
and
I,
don't
know
that
cuz
I've
never
asked
them.
B
K
The
new
road
has
changed
to
flow
tremendously,
we're
still
draining
the
same
amount
of
land,
but
it's
running
off
on
concrete,
rather
than
woods
now,
and
it
at
least
that
upper
end
of
coats
run
is
affected
seriously
by
this
increased
runoff.
Does
that
come
on
down
this
way?
Does
that?
Does
that
change
the
calculations
from
what
people
are
working
with
right
now?
It
would.
I
I
F
That
would
take
analysis
of
the
whole
watershed.
That's
a
big
project,
not
only
codes
run,
you've
got
the
stream
he's
going
down.
Flipper
Street
into
that,
and
you've
got,
as
you
mentioned,
the
drainage
system
of
the
ODOT
highway,
which,
oh
god
has
said,
had
no
impact,
but
do
you
think
it
does
in
dairy
Lane
then
comes
in
a
little
later
on,
but
as
the
last
time,
any
modeling
of
that
was
done.
I
think
was
in
78,
which
is
the
81
flood
maps,
and
that's
now
there's
a
new
flood
map
being
just
about
with
fever.
K
K
Up
and
down
Richland
Avenue
people
have
water
in
their
basements.
The
street
is
flooded,
there's
three
trunks
in
the
middle
of
Richland
Avenue
and
we're
just
afraid
of
doing
something.
That's
going
to
exacerbate
a
problem
which
is
already
pretty
serious,
so
I
think
the
question
for
some
comparison
of
the
two
is
is
a
valid
one.
That's
helped
give
us
something
we
can
make
a
judgment
on.
We
don't
know.
You
said
you
couldn't
talk
about
the
engineering
studies
heck,
as
neither
could
we
so
right
before
we
could
make
a
decision
we've
got.
J
B
J
It's
totally
different
from
the
flood
events
anywhere
else
in
town
we
have
jumpin
manhole
covers,
or
it
did
in
the
past,
not
as
much
now,
but
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
things
that
occur
down
there,
that
aren't
what
you
might
expect
and
I'm
even
wondering
what
one
of
those
sudden
high-velocity
floods.
Does
you
this
structure
that
that
gets
built?
You
know,
if
that
it
can
work
both
ways
they'll
be
damaged
to
what's
built
there.
In
addition
to
you
know,
they're
jamming
up
because
of
you
know
things
coming
up
against
a
surface
and
those.
J
L
A
Dovetail
what
carol
was
saying
when
I
said
mature,
EURion
and
we're
vote
inca
was
setting
was
our
Stephens.
He
came
into
a
meeting
probably
16
years
ago
and
was
describing
trees
going
down
Richland
Avenue
and
unless
you've
seen
it
it's
hard
to
believe
that
it
happens,
and
since
that
time,
that
whole
interchange
that
has
all
you
have
to
do
is
look
at
how
the
land
is
sloped.
That
brings
everything
to
Richmond.
A
F
Partly
to
doing
that,
that's
why
Andy
has
developed
a
whole
Richland
Avenue
storm
event,
plan
that
we
know
there's
going
to
be
debris
immediately.
When
we
know
the
rain
is
going
to
come.
We
got
a
potential
one
to
three
inches
in
a
short
period
of
time
to
flash
flood
people
are
stationed
at
X
culverts
to
keep
in
storm
drains
to
keep
them
cleaned
out.
You
know
you,
you
have
to
utilize
your
resources
of
it
so
that
you
don't
just
walk
away
and
then
all
of
the
storm
basins
gets
clogged
up
which
have
some
capacity.
F
Instead,
it's
on
the
roadway
because
it
can't
get
into
the
storm
stem
storm
sewer.
So
that's
why
we
developed
that
I
mean
what
impact
does
that
have
again.
You
know,
because
if
it
does
happen
and
you
don't
earn
alerted-
and
it
happens
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning-
and
there
was
no-
that
we
were
expecting
this
storm
to
go
north,
nobody
got
called
people
and
it's
a
different
event
and
that's
why
it's
hard
to
to
manage
for
every
potential.
Could
you
know
contingency
here
or
even
to
do
a
design
plan
that
would
do
it?
Q
In
this
room,
with
this
experience,
having
grown
up
on
Richmond
Avenue
that
went
in
the
1960s,
what
Emily
was
probably
64,
there's
two
years
63
and
64
I
think
when
the
river
was
in
the
natural
Channel
and
it
flooded
so
much
that
no
one
from
the
south
side
of
town
could
go
to
school.
If
you
happen
to
be
in
high
school
at
that
time,
you
could
not
get
into
town
the
business
people
couldn't
get
into
town.
Q
L
Okay,
well
I
think
it
sounds
like
we
are
not
ready
to
bring
this
forward.
If
we
decide
to
do
it,
we're
gonna
be
talking
about
an
easement,
not
a
revocable
license,
but
we
want
to
try
to
have
some
kind
of
comparative
analysis
of
the
hydrology
of
the
two
designs
and
we're
gonna
see
if
Burgess
and
Eiffel
has
the
capacity
to
do
that
or
your
engineers
right,
EMH
tea
or
some
combination
of
those
letters.
G
B
H
H
F
B
L
Agenda
items
for
University
estates,
we
have
a
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission
for
final
approval
of
the
phase,
two
plat
of
single
family
lots
and
for
final
approval
of
Phase,
two
of
High
Point
Village
and
the
final
plat,
along
with
that
you're
gonna
be
requesting
that
we
look
at
Armitage
road
as
well.
So
we
have.
There
are
two
recommendations
from
the
Planning
Commission,
but
three
things
that
were
being
asked
to
consider.
M
P
My
name
is
Lance
Brown
University
of
States,
as
she
mentioned
the
things
I
like
to
talk
about
tonight
or
the
plan
which
also
encompasses
the
residential
single-family
Lots,
and
the
new
Armitage
Road
phase,
two
of
the
High
Point
Village
and
the
vacation
of
the
old
Romany
trip
just
a
little
but
quick
background.
I
know
we're
running
kind
of
late
tonight,
but
these
are
continuations
of
the
projects
we
have
going
on
now.
High
Point
Village
is
under
construction
and
obviously
the
single
family
lots
are
so.
P
This
is
phase
two
of
both
of
those
I
put
a
lot
of
effort
in
in
the
system.
I've
been
to
three
pre
conference
meetings
with
the
Planning
Commission
before
I
went
back
for
the
finals.
I've
had
two
meetings
with
the
city
staff
and
then
individual
meetings.
Excuse
me
with
Ray
and
Steve,
with
Burgess
and
iple
I've
attended
the
shade
tree,
Commission,
disability,
Commission
and
the
mayor
and
I
have
to
talk
a
couple
of
times.
P
What
we've
tried
to
do
is
cover
as
many
bases
as
we
could
for
the
what
we
got
this
far
realizing
that
we're
asking
this
to
go
through
in
the
same
manner.
In
the
grand
Vista
that
we
realized
that
the
title
27
has
a
group
of
items
hillside
and
stuff-
that's
all
combined
with
that
is
in
the
process.
We've
done.
The
soil
studies,
Burgess
and
ipols
will
be
reviewing
those.
So
that's
all
coming
together.
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P
P
P
I
want
to
show
you
the
areas.
This
is
where
the
thigh
area
is
kind
of
big.
These
are
the
single-family
homes
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
plat
this
area
inside
this
road
right
here
and
have
the
road
from
you
experience.
This
is
where
the
water
tower
is.
We
needed
to
have
an
access
route
from
this
road
to
the
water
tower
and
then
also
from
right
here.
Up
to
the
water
tower
is
the
actual
water
line
itself,
so
those
need
to
be
recorded
on
the
flat
and
easy.
So
that's
why
we
encompass
that
area.
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P
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P
P
H
K
P
E
P
P
P
E
M
L
And
is
there
a
note
on
there
if,
when
you
I
think
most
of
us
have
gone
out
to
see
the
site
at
one
point
or
another
and
you've
talked
about
not
disturbing
the
old
Armitage
road,
because
it's
at
the
toe
of
the
slope
in
you
know
in
some
places,
there's
a
really
steep
slope
up
above
it?
Is
there
a
note
on
the
drawing
indicating
that
or.
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P
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H
P
P
A
P
Started
I
think,
five
years
ago,
building
the
base
of
the
new
Armitage
Road
and
we
drove
trucks
across
it
before
that's
what
we
used
as
a
haul
road
for
all
that
time.
Two
years
ago,
I
think
we
started
by
putting
an
8-inch
base
stone
cover
on
it
and
then
inspected.
First,
we
have
the
dirt
Rover,
that
inspected
by
the
state
and
the
township
at
the
time,
I
think
because
we
learned
an
axe
and
then
we.
K
P
8
inch
base
on
it,
roll
that
and
had
that
inspected,
and
then
we
put
the
chicken
seal,
which
is
a
layer
of
gravel
tarah,
travel,
tar
and
gravel
and
wood
rolled
that
in
and
that's
sat
there
for
two
years,
and
so
we
feel
that
it's
obviously
a
much
better
road.
We
left
a
hundred
foot
right
away
through
that
area.
P
Explore
possibility
of
maybe
going
over
to
on
this
road
or
springing
out
this
part
here
that
goes
across
the
river
is
perhaps
twice
we
left
a
hundred
foot
right
away
and
only
put
a
24
foot
across
there
planking
in
the
future.
That
wants
to
be
an
upgrade
ten
years
from
now.
It
could
be
very
long,
neither
bypass
the
plane,
whatever
reason,
so
that
was
our
long-term
planning.
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P
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H
D
H
My
other
question
is
probably
not
as
pleasant,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
I
personally
would
like
to
see
a
test
of
this
road
by
the
people
that
tested
the
drive
before
we
accept
it
University
of
States
Boulevard
and
have
a
report
on
it.
That
would
be
similar
to
that,
because
that
University
of
States
Boulevard
has
serious
problems
with
it.
We
have
no
bond
okay,
so
this
is
kind
of
a
pig
in
the
poke.
I
was
down
there
a
couple
times
going
on
field
trips
and
I.
H
P
H
Like
to
see
us
have
the
sounding
done
as
they
did
on
University
of
States
Boulevard,
so
that
we
can
be
confident.
I
mean
it's
easy
for
you
to
say,
okay.
Well,
you
guys
once
we
build
a
bridge,
then
we
can
redo
the
road,
but
you
know
some
future
council
will
be
paying
for
a
Richland
Avenue
I
mean
they
won't
be
able
to
afford
it.
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H
K
H
L
H
K
That's
exactly
that
was
gonna,
be
my
point
about
this
was
Elliot's
Ville
Road
we
accepted
a
road
diff.
Then
we
had
to
rebuild
and
I
was
just
out
there
yesterday
and
I.
Just
wasn't
that's
nothing!
That's
not
a
road
that
we
would
normally
accept
into
the
city.
We
wouldn't
allow
it
to
be
built
and
we,
the
old
Armitage
Road
sure
that,
like
you
says,
been
there
a
million
years,
and
what
are
you
gonna
do
but
I
just
had
some
concerns
and
I.
K
P
K
Because
that's
clear
out
at
the
end
of,
however,
I
can
see
that
at
the
time
that
road
is
open.
This
could
certainly
be
a
preferable
route
for
some
residents
to
go
up
there.
So
I
do
traffic
is
going
to
increase
on
that
road,
and
we
just
need
to
make
sure
that
after
we
accept
it,
that
we're
not
going
to
be
facing
up
I'm
an
expensive
upgrade
so
I
just
thought
what
I
was
gonna
bring
up
and
Nancy
beat
me
totally.
H
E
P
P
P
P
P
P
P
They're
both
of
our
engineers
that
that
just
wasn't
going
to
work
there
wasn't
enough
room
around
the
corner.
So
now
we
have
Altamont
Drive
coming
as
we
did
with
the
unit,
and
we
got
a
separate
private
driveway
that
goes
makes
a
loop
covers
these
three
buildings.
There
again
when
I
went
to
be
some
of
the
different
disabilities
and
noted
that
the
curb
cuts
weren't
in
there,
so
I
tried
to
show
where
there
isn't
going
and
they.
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B
P
B
P
P
P
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H
P
B
H
P
B
P
P
One
of
the
things
also
I
think
when
we
talked
about
Harmons
road
and
the
plaque
going
through.
If
I
understand
the
process
right
as
we
dedicate
the
new
plat
and
it
goes
through
three
readings
and
30
days
waiting
period.
I
think
the
timing
of
the
vacation
of
arm
Dedra
has
to
follow
that
same
schedule,
so
that
at
the
30th
day
of
the
waiting
period,
we
can
do
away
with
one
Road
and
open
the
other
Road
that's
the
same
day.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
it's
a
good
cool
to.
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P
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P
K
Question
Paul
just
asked
about
sidewalks
in
some
of
the
existing.
In
fact,
in
all
the
existing
cul-de-sacs,
there
are
no
sidewalks
right
now.
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K
E
K
P
M
B
E
M
L
L
We
could
go
ahead
and
do
first
reading
next
week
on
the
15th
and
we'd
be
having
the
public
hearing
before
second
reading,
so
do
first
reading
for
the
the
final
PUD
for
High
Point
Village
phase
2
and
for
the
subdivision
for
the
single-family
homes
for
phase
2,
our
people,
okay,
with
bringing
those
two
things
forward
for
first
reading,
and
then
we
schedule
the
hearing
that
we
need
to
have
for
November
5th.
Then.
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B
P
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M
B
K
K
H
K
P
L
Have
PD
applications
with
for
those
okay?
Okay,
all
right
does
anyone
have
miscellaneous
for
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
I?
L
Have
one
announcement
just
remind
folks
that
Paul
has
invited
Jean
Krebs
to
come
and
talk
to
us
about
smart
growth
and
that
he's
from
Greater
Ohio
that
looks
at
issues
of
smart
growth,
statewide
and
it's
gonna
be
Wednesday
at
7
o'clock
at
the
community
center
should
be
really
interesting.
Thank
you.