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A
Good
evening
tonight,
FN
City
Council
has
a
couple
of
committee
meetings,
planning
and
development,
and
then,
when
we're
done,
the
Finance
Committee,
we
have
a
number
of
items
on
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
agenda.
The
first
one
is
the
proposed
development
agreement
with
Holzer
I.
Think
that
attorneys
here
make
is
here
to
talk
to
us
about
that.
Did
you
want
to
introduce
this
okay.
B
Baby,
thank
you
he's
three
months
old
now,
okay,
so
we're
back
here
again
and
we're
talking
about
the
development
agreement.
I
think
everybody
has
a
copy
of,
or
has
seen
a
copy
of,
the
development
agreement.
Basically
it's
what
we've
talked
about
before
that
there's
a
64
acres
approximately,
but
we're
only
asking
to
annex
in
about
45
of
those
acres.
The
remaining
acreage
is
actually
in
the
city
limits
at
this.
A
I
think
there
were
a
couple
specific
things.
Maybe
if
people
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that,
the
first
is
just
the
question
of
where
we
are
in
the
annexation
process
that,
because
those
annexation
petitions
are
in
the
hands
of
the
city
and
we're
really
close
to
that,
I
think
that
there's
a
real
question
about
whether
we
need
to
do
a
development
agreement
or
whether
that's
a
wise
thing
to
do,
because
the
the
annexation
process
is
pretty
far
along
right.
B
A
C
A
D
I
met
with
Todd
Fowler
last
week
and
the
only
things
that
we're
really
in
there
that
I
saw
that
was
the
potential
request
or
acknowledgement
that
they
may
be
asking
for
some
variances
of
the
Zoning
Board
in
one
instance,
but
and
that's
to
do
with
the
sign
ordinances.
They
don't
have
their
signage
plan
done
yet
so
they
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
ask
for
a
variance
or
not
ask
for
a
variance,
but
that's
really
something
that
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
issues
not
Council.
D
But
that's
because
it's
had
you
just
isn't
free
the
process
yet
and
they're
not
real
concerned
about
that,
because
they
won't
be
planning
until
next
year.
Sometime
say
the
same
thing:
signage
is
just
not
on
their
list.
Yet
because
that's
you
know
one
of
the
last
things
they
do
and
since
the
signage
at
Columbus
Road
was
in
conformance
that
feel
that
probably
will
be
in
conformance.
But
again
that's
the
Zoning.
Board
issue
I.
B
Think
Holzer
went
in
previous
talks.
We
had
just
talked
about
doing
a
very
tasteful
sign
that
that
address
what
the
businesses
were
in
that
area
and
whether
or
not
that
needs
a
variance
at
this
point
we
wouldn't
know,
but
something
that
was
very
tasteful
that
would
would
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
area
and,
like
the
mayor
said
at
this
point,
we
don't
know
that
it
wouldn't
be
within
within
the
code.
It
does.
B
E
E
But
I
can
we
I,
don't
think
we've
done
this
before
in
a
an
entity
like,
for
example,
a
blennies
hospital
which
is
not-for-profit
is
a
non-profit,
did
not
ask
us
to
participate
in
any
way
in
their
roads
and
so
I
guess
what
I
wonder
is
if
it
would
be
in
the
interests
of
the
citizens
of
this
town
to
to
do
such
a
thing.
E
In
a
case
like
this
I
mean
I
know
the
agreement
says
well,
we'll
give
you
three
quarters
of
an
acre,
but
bottom
line
is
it
could
be
a
very
pricey
thing
and
generally
developers
pay
for
that
I
mean
I,
have
a
I
can't
think
of
a
time
when
the
developer
hasn't
paid
for
it.
So
in
this
city?
So
that's
a
sticking
point
for
me.
Okay,
it's.
B
My
understanding
that
that
the
representatives
of
Holzer
were
working
with
the
city
in
order
to
receive
grants
and
funding
to
to
pay
for
that
that
road
and
then
part
of
the
contribution
for
from
holder,
would
be
to
turn
over
a
portion
of
that
road.
And
then,
at
that
point
the
the
city
would
have
that
portion
of
the
road
and
could
build
a
bike
path
and
use
that
portion
of
the
road
for
other
purposes
that
it
needs.
Is
that
the
an
accurate
portrayal?
Yes.
D
The
access
route
runs
through
a
RC
which
this
would
qualify
for
if
they
get
the
change
of
the
entry
way
through
the
limited
access
right
away
would
be
80
percent
funds,
and
then
Holzer
has
committed
to
me
that
the
donation
of
the
land
and
any
other
dollar
cost
for
the
city's
local
match
would
be
paid
for
by
Holzer.
What
we
get
into
is,
and
we
would
be
maintaining
that
road
in
the
future,
but.
D
F
C
D
D
Not
what
they
want
to
do.
It
is
directly
across
from
the
exit
ramp
as
if
you
were
heading
to
cool
them
billion
off
money.
State
Street
build.
That
is
the
access
point
into
the
hole,
five
or
six
properties
that
are
there,
so
that
that
road
would
then
go
all
the
way
down
to
the
property.
That's
under
land
contract
with
the
Heinz's
and
by
Auto
Tech.
So
it
would
go
the
whole
distance
and
into
the
proposers
parking
lot.
D
There
are
easements
right
now
that
exist
over
the
Hayes
proper
Hayes
thanks
it's
going
to
partner
in
that
one,
the
hotel
in
the
Auto
Tech,
but
right
now
they
also
have
easements
to
the
current
entry
point
and
so
legally
they
have
to
work
out.
How
can
they
switch
entry
points
because
home?
Because
the
ODOT
will
only
allow
one
entry
point
in
the
limited-access
highway
and
traffic
studies
have
shown
that
being
that
the
exit
ramp
would
be
better
than
where
it
is
currently
located,
which
was
a
farm
income.
D
D
D
H
Yeah
well,
I
guess
I
would
say
you
know
I'm
uncomfortable
with
the
wording
in
the
agreement
as
it
currently
is,
since
it
doesn't
really,
as
Jim
said,
really
lay
out
the
reality
of
going
for
the
grants,
etcetera,
etcetera,
just
kind
of
sounds
like
we're,
responsible
and
I
guess
that
would
be.
You
know
a
question
for
holster,
you
know
if
grants
didn't
come
through
and
there
were
no
Road.
D
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
cost
savings
for
them,
so
they
don't
have
any,
but
they
are
prepared
in
their
budget
to
build
that
road.
To
that
point,
if
we're
not
able
to
change
the
right
away
point,
as
I
said,
the
city
early
does
no
interest
in
doing
the
road
it
isn't
to
where
the
traffic
engineers
say.
The
road
should
be.
E
I
In
terms
of
this
road
you're
talking
about
putting
it
so
right
across
from
the
exit
of
50,
the
other
one
gets
closed
off.
Is
that
correct
I'd
be
correct?
Okay,
so
it's
really
just
moving
it
down
with
the
intention.
If
you
ever
need
to
put
a
light
there,
you
can
do
something
like
that.
Is
that
somewhere
another
you.
D
Could
that
never
generated
that
much
capacity,
but
their
analysis
is
still
under
under
500
cars
per
hour
and
peak
so
that
you
wouldn't
generate
a
traffic
signal.
But
what
you
can
do
that
that
location
is
also
do
a
turn
off
lane,
because
with
the
bridge
there,
you
really
don't
have
enough
room
to
do
a
turn
off
light
and
that's
a
safety
issue
and
you
might
be
able
to
do
some
widening
of
the
exit
wound
with
ODOT.
Because
then
you
can
you
be
going
either
right-hand
turn
into
into
town
or
directly
across.
I
D
A
I
think
this
has
been
a
good
discussion
and
I
have
a
better
understanding
of
what
the
intention
is
with
the
access
road
I
think.
Given
our
experience
with
the
development
agreement
for
Beaumont
Green,
where
we
had
included
the
expectation
that
variances
would
be
sought,
but
then
we
ran
into
issues
because
it
has
not
yet
been
annexed
into
the
city
that
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
didn't
feel
that
they
had
jurisdiction.
A
It's
my
inclination
to
just
say:
let's
not
do
the
development
agreement.
Most
of
the
things
in
here
are
really
standard
and
it
sounds
like
there's.
A
good
understanding
between
the
city
and
and
holes
are
about
with
the
access
road
and
just
proceed
with
the
annexation.
When
it
comes
to
us
committee,
members.
C
A
F
A
general
question
that
was
raised
your
for
the
mayor
and
service
Safety
Director,
the
estimated
tap
fees
are
talked
about.
The
fees
water,
tap,
sewer,
tap
in
150
dollars
for
the
storms.
Are
there
I
think
that's
the
first
time
I've
seen
that
mentioned
what?
What?
What
do
we
get
for
that?
What
what
do
we
do
with
the
storm
water
storm
sewers?
Do
we
put
those
in.
D
D
I
mention
area
in
that
particular
case
they're.
What
they're
going
to
do
is
discharge
to
the
river
they're.
Probably
the
drainage
for
the
parking
lots
and
the
roof
drains
would
then
be
carried
out
directly
to
the
river,
because
they're
adjacent
to
it
and
there's
currently
no
system
out
there
they're
going
to
created
for
that
area
now
down
further,
where
the
other
developers
aren't
I
think
there's
a
ditch
line
there
and
it
ready
it's
at
a
ditch
that
we
convey
it
too
early.
I
D
A
Next
thing
we
have
are
the
annexations
that
are
ours
before
council.
This
is
Holzer
and
door
lane
we've
received
both
of
those.
My
understanding
is
they're
both
on
gonna,
be
on
the
next
Planning
Commission
agenda
to
look
at
the
recommended
zoning
designation
and
then
because
the
Planning
Commission
doesn't
see
a
need
for
a
separate
hearing
there.
Since
we'll
be
having
hearings,
we
will
be
able
to
discuss
them
in
more
detail
at
our
next
committee
meeting,
we'll
be
able
to
hear
what
the
zoning
recommendations
are
and
move
this
forward.
I
I
E
Problem
having
move
the
sewer
tap
through
for
the
door
lane
one,
it
seemed
to
me
that
we
were
told,
if
not
outright
several
times,
that
it
was
only
going
to
be
for
a
single
unit
consistently.
Now
we
have
two
parcels
and
I
guess
what
I
want
to
know
is:
how
is
this
going
to
work?
I
mean
I,
just
wonder
how
many
times
will
we
have
this
happen?
What
sort
people
come
in
and
say
one
thing,
and
then
it
comes
back
and
it's
got
a
little
division
out.
I
mean
what
is
gonna
happen
here.
E
F
E
E
D
I
D
E
D
It
what
was
I
know
what
was
said
by
the
owner
or
the
representative
from
the
owner
was
that
g4
mortgage
purposes
we
just
want
the
land
that
that's
what's
under
mortgage
is
on
to
be
have
a
mortgage
on
it,
not
the
whole
attractive
property.
What
but
at
least
the
net
she's
exactly
right
that
subsequent
owners
may
sell
off.
That
piece
may
subdivide
it
more,
and
you
have
that
problem
with
her
suggestion
of
zoning
in
his
open
space.
Maybe
you
know
one
that
we
probably
should
you
know.
I
D
B
I
A
A
What
I
thought
I'd
do
is
just
talk
through
the
changes
that
I'm
proposing
and
they
came
from
a
couple
different
places.
They
came
from
attending
a
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission
attending
another
meeting
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
Local
Government
Committee,
and
talking
individually,
with
peg
cone,
a
Planning
Commission
member
who
was
not
able
to
she
was
out
of
town
and
wasn't
able
to
be
at
that
meeting
so
tried
to
incorporate
all
these
different
concerns.
E
A
Somebody
thought
okay,
the
next
one
in
the
intent,
a
concern
was
raised
at
the
Planning
Commission
about
whether
some
people
might
assume
that
this
replaces
all
other.
You
know
development
related
sections
of
code,
so
just
to
add
a
sentence
clarifying
that
this
doesn't
replace
other
sections
of
code.
If
you're
in
the
floodplain,
you
still
have
to
look
at
the
floodplain
regs
if
you're
on
a
steep
hillside,
you
still
have
to
look
at.
A
You
know
that
the
hillside
issues
so
just
stating
that
simply
in
4103
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
whether
there
should
be
some
threshold
where
a
commercial
or
industrial
project
does
not
have
to
go
through
site
plan
review,
and
at
this
time
a
compromise
seems
to
be
if
we
looked
at
5,000
square
feet
as
a
threshold,
so
smaller
projects
would
not
trigger
the
the
site
claim
review.
That's
a
very
specific
thing
that
we're
gonna
want
to
come
back
to
when
we
look
at
it
in
a
year.
Is
that
too
small?
Is
that
too
big?
E
See
could
we
ask
when
Debbie
Walker
is
doing
this?
Finally
to
use
the
correct
terminology,
so
we
have
business
or
industrial
uses
as
defined
by
the
zoning
code.
If
we've
done
that
look
at
places,
do
you
know
what
I
mean
you
could
say
that
a
commercial,
a
landlord
is
a
commercial
venture
if
you've
started
twisting
it
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
it
applies
to
business
uses,
and
so
that
would
mean
it's
a
minor
thing,
but
it's
more
of
an
expansion
of
some.
H
E
The
example
that
was
used
for
us
and
I'll
go
along
with
Debbie
and
I
appreciate
her
hard
work
in
getting
this
to
the
point
where
we
don't
have
a
whole
bunch
of
angry
people
out
there
I
mean
not
that
they
were
ever
angry
because
we
had
a
couple
pretty
decent
discussions,
but
the
five
thousand
square
feet
they
used
was
CV.
Now
I
can't
imagine,
fly
an
entity.
That's
the
national
entity
would
have
trouble
meeting
the
requirements
of
this.
But
you
know
in
the
spirit
of
let's
see
what
happens:
I'll
go
along
with
you.
A
Thank
you,
the
next
thing
in
the
procedure
for
approval
in
our
earlier
work
session.
People
said
why
don't
you
just
define
the
amount
of
the
application
fee
now,
but
then
the
Planning
Commission
said
you
know
you've
taken
that
out
of
the
code
everywhere
else
and
put
it
in
a
separate
place,
so
I'm
recommending
that
we
change
it
back
to
as
determined
by
Council,
and
then
we
have
to
amend
that
that
section
that
sets
the
permit
fees.
At
the
same
time,
then,
on
the
next
page,
Pepi.
I
A
A
A
The
hundred
dollar
permit
fee
so
that
that's
in
place
at
the
same
time.
That
goes
into
effect
at
the
same
time
that
title
41
does
then
in
4104
a
where
it
talks
about
the
different
boards
and
commissions
the
Planning
Commission
thought,
leaving
it
as
determined
by
the
Service
Safety
Director
would
encompass
whatever
boards
and
commissions
you
know
have
a
review
process.
It
may
not
always
be
the
shade
tree,
commissioner,
with
disabilities
Commission
if
there
are
others
or
if
one
of
those
goes
away
to
just
not
have
those
that
list
of
them.
A
Indeed,
the
question
was
raised:
oh
I'm,
sorry
in
C
there
was
a
it's
at
service,
Safety,
Director
and
other
city
officials,
and
that
was
more
of
a
grammatical
preference
that
the
I
think
Joanne
just
wanted
to
say
they
shall
review
the
plans
in
D.
The
question
was
15
days
from
when
so
we
referred
it
back
to
C,
so
that
there's
a
specific
time
line
that
keeps
moving
and
then
in
F
there
was
a
concern
raised
about
whether
the
appeals
process
was
to
search
to
appeal
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
when
they
just
made
their
decision.
A
E
Because
it's
already
covered
on
as
on
page
one?
This
review
does
not
replace
other
applicable
sections
right,
I,
think
so.
Okay,
it
just
seems
that
you
know
we
wouldn't
want
to
lose
that,
because
we've
worked
so
hard
to
get
it
right.
A
I
think
part
of
the
issue
was
looking
at
the
different
things
that
it
can
apply
to
if
it's
an
if
it's
an
expansion
of
an
existing
business
or
some
modification
that
wasn't
really
changing
anything
in
the
the
landscaping
right
that
there's
a
place
in
there
with
a
service
Safety
Director
can
can
list
in
writing
reasons
that
certain
things
don't
need
to
be
provided.
So
I
think
it
was
in
keeping
with
that.
Okay.
E
I
would
say
that
if
they're
expanding
they
should
have
and
enlarging
their
parking
lot,
it
would
be
given
the
spirit
of
the
most
recent
update
of
the
landscaping
ordinance.
It
would
be
in
keeping
with
that
that
they
would
add
the
trees,
mm-hmm
and
so
I
hope
it
doesn't
just.
A
Come
away
around
that
that'll
be
something
else
we
should
ask
for
in
our
report:
okay
in
4108,
for
some
reason
that
was
called
site
plan
content,
which
is
the
same
as
the
next
section.
So
since
it's
about
the
bond,
it's
just
simply
called
bond.
Now
and
since
there's
been
some
questions
about
bonds
with
some
earlier
projects,
actually
Lance
Rapp
suggested
that
it
needs
to
say
that
this
bond
be
in
favor
of
the
city
and
it
just
said,
may
be
required.
A
So
it's
saying
may
be
required
by
the
service
safety
director
just
to
make
that
process
a
little
bit
more
clear
in
40
109,
the
title
had
been
sight
playing
content
for
new
construction,
because
the
service
safety
director
can
waive
the
specific
things
in
writing.
We,
it
was
simpler,
just
to
say
sight,
playing
content
and
then
it'll
be
for
anything
that
comes
under
title
41.
A
E
A
H,
the
lighting
they
wanted
it
to
refer
to
all
of
the
sections
of
the
zoning
code
that
talked
about
lighting
in
K.
Again,
it's
just
making
it
into
a
list
instead
of
a
long
sentence
in
are
the
traffic
impact
study.
There
is
a
concern
that
we
talked
about.
There
is
some
industry
standard
list
that
spells
out
which
kind
of
projects
would
create
the
the
number
of
of
cars
that
would
trigger
the
need
for
a
traffic
impact
study.
So
people
wanted
us
to
refer
to
the
actual
list.
That
is
the
Bible
on
this
topic.
A
So
we've
got
the
name
of
the
trip
generation
manual
in
there,
and
the
Planning
Commission
had
a
concern
that
our
population
in
Athens
changes.
So
significantly,
there
are
times
of
year
when
there
are
a
lot
fewer
people-
people
here
than
in
other
times
of
years,
so
just
saying
that
it
needs
to
be
a
period
of
time.
That's
typical
for
the
area,
so
that
the
traffic
study
means
something.
C
D
C
C
I
C
I
Way
I
was
listening
to
it
earlier
is
that
it
depends
on
location
in
many
cases,
as
construction
I
mean
some
places,
get
a
lot
of
traffic,
doing
the
students
and
some
don't,
and
if
I
was
going
to
do
a
broad-brush
of
this
I,
typical
I,
say:
okay,
what
typical
during
the
year
we
have.
You
know
more
time
where
the
students
are
in
a
less
time
when
the
students
are
out
so
I
by
doing
that,
count
during
that
hour
interprets
can't
when
the
students
are
in
yeah.
E
Just
notice
anything
what
the
mayor
said,
he
says
five
hundred
cars.
He
already
had
some
of
the
people
who
were
coming
to
us
knew
it
what
the
traffic
count
was
gonna,
be
it
wasn't
it
with
Holzer.
Remember
he
you
said,
and
so
it's
not
a
me.
Maybe
some
of
the
more
new
starts
that
are
not
well
prepared,
might
not
know
it,
but
the
the
people
who
have
developments
are
gonna
know
great.
A
Intention
in
working
on
this
is
to
put
some
guidance,
but
not
to
lock
it
in
so
tight
that
a
project
would
have
to
wait
for
a
particular
time
of
year.
You
know
before
it
could
get
underway.
So
I
guess
you
know
I
should
ask
the
service
safety
director.
Do
you
feel
like
this?
Gives
you
adequate
guidance
about?
You
know
if
there's
a
project
that
requires
a
traffic
study?
Would
you
be
able
to
make
a
judgment
about?
What's
typical
in
in
that
area?
Yeah.
J
That's
that's
one
of
the
difficult
questions,
because,
if
you're,
if
you're
dealing
with
these
State
Street,
for
example,
someone's
gonna
put
a
development
somewhere
on
East
State
Street
they
depending
on
what
type
of
business
it
is,
they
may
want
traffic
studies
done
on
Fridays
and
Saturdays
to
determine
what
the
peak
traffic
is.
Whereas
if
it's
a
development
on
Richland
Avenue,
you
might
be
more
interested
in
peak
traffic
loads
at
noon
so
I.
You
know,
I
think
this
gives
some
flexibility
in
there.
J
A
J
More
than
likely
what
I
would
do
is
a
lot
of
sections
in
here's
support
it
with
a
specific
policy.
In
some
cases,
you
have
to
support
it
with
the
procedure
so
that
it's
consistent,
so
that
when
somebody
comes
and
asks
you
for
you
know
what
what
basis
are
you
gonna
use
to
establish
this
traffic
study?
You
not
only
have
the
guidance
from
the
ordinance.
You
also
establish
a
policy
so
that
it's
consistent,
okay,.
H
D
Was
one
of
the
main
points
the
hall
director
made
to
me
in
our
discussions
was
that
the
Planning
Commission
as
a
body
has
the
ability
to
establish
administrative
policy
based
upon
the
recommendations,
the
administration
in
those
cases,
but
they
then
will
probably
set
up
for
this,
where
there
are
questions
or
such
okay?
What's
what's
a
policy
that
we
can
do
for
this?
Okay.
E
I
I'm,
assuming
the
assumption
on
this
is
that
somebody's
going
to
say,
okay,
how
is
it
gonna
affect
my
area
or
my
street
with
this
new
development
and
and
they're
just
they're,
saying:
okay,
we
need
your.
We
need
a
traffic
study
to
determine
this
I
mean
some
citizen
first
up
and
say
that,
on
the
other
hand,
that
any
retail
that's
going
probably
has
a
good
idea
of
what
they
expect
to
be
coming
in,
and
the
apartment
complex
has
some
kind
of
idea.
What
kind
of
chanted.
C
I
H
Bojinka,
as
we
say,
my
original
sense
of
this
was
that
the
traffic
study
was
to
kind
of
understand
if
the
area
and
the
current
roads
could
support
the
increased
traffic.
Now,
isn't
that
part
of
this
that
you
know
I'm
gonna
put
a
you
know
whatever
you
know
so
that
so
that's
all
I'm
saying
that
if
the
intent
of
this
is
to
say
that
small
road
or
whatever
it
is,
could
not
support
this
new.
Whatever
popular
restaurant.
C
H
Something
then
the
developer
needs
to
do
something.
Okay,
and
so
that's
how
I
was
reading
this
isn't
a
moment.
I
say:
well,
you
know
it's
typical
right
now
that
100
cars
a
day
go
there
and
then
my
hot
child
in
a
restaurant.
You
know
I'm
doing
the
study
based
on
what
is
rather
than
what
will
be
right.
D
It's
correct,
but
I
think
what
you
have
to
understand
is
that,
where
are
the
bees
owns
within
the
community?
We're
not
talking
about?
You
know
a
large
amount
of
area
here,
because
when,
if
you
really
look
at
the
zoning
map,
the
problem
areas
that
you're
going
to
have
are
the
B
wants
what
you're
supposed
to
be
neighborhood
supported
type
businesses.
H
H
C
H
I
H
A
Okay,
then
the
other
thing
there
are
a
couple
renumber
ago.
I
was
just
trying
to
fix
the
letters
and
numbers
on
the
last
page
in
E.
This
was
supposed
to
be
just
about
major
changes,
so
we
had
to
insert
the
word
major
in
a
place
that
it
was
missing
and
then
the
appeals
process,
it's
the
same
change.
That
was
because
this
section
is
for
changing
site
plans,
as
opposed
to
proposing
a
new
section.
So
going
back
and
modifying
it.
If
it's
a
major
change
there,
the
process
is
spelled
out
here.
Just.
A
C
E
A
So
I
think
that
we
have
addressed
most
of
the
concerns
that
have
been
raised
and
I
have
to
share
with
you
when
I
took
this
to
the
chamber
as
Local
Government
Committee
last
Wednesday-
and
we
went
through
these
point
by
point.
Then
I
said:
okay,
here's
what
I,
where
I
think
we've
got
things
worked
in
and
they
said
okay
and
I
said
you're
kidding
we're
done
and
they
said
yeah.
A
A
So
what
I
would
intend
to
do
with
this
is
introduce
this
as
a
and
amend
by
substitution,
next
Monday,
which
will
take
it
back
to
first
reading
and
we
can
bring
the
hundred
dollar
application
fee
ordinance
through
as
its
own
ordinance
and
that
way
they'll
come
through.
At
the
same
time,
any
other
discussion
or
inquiry
yeah.
E
I'd
like
to
say
that
we
haven't
really
heard
a
lot
from
citizens
who
probably
don't
know
this
is
going
on,
but
I
think
that
we
can
also
count
ourselves
on
the
back
saying
that
now
they
will
have
an
option
in
cases
where
there's
not
a
council
action
on
it,
that
they
will
be
able
to
go
in
and
see
the
plans
and
talk
to
the
Planning
Commission
about
such
things.
As,
let's
say,
the
palmer
place
development
where
people
on
Oak
Street
were
very
concerned
and
expressed
to
me
several
times.
E
What's
gonna
happen
on
my
street,
will
it
be
open?
We
could
barely
have
enough
place,
you
know,
and
so
they
can
go
in
and
actually
make
the
issues
known,
but
people
who
live
on
streets
often
know
much
more
about
them
or
the
people
who
work
on
them
so
much
more
about
them
than
we
do
individually
or
jointly.
So
I
think
it's
a
it's
an
important
point
that
we
talk
about
those
people
who
will
have
an
option,
maybe
pop
and
that's
what
this
is
all
about,
and
we
have
me
finally
gotten
to
that
point.
C
A
We
did
have
folks
from
the
neighborhood
associations
at
our
work
session
when
we
went
through
this,
so
I
think
we
have
had
some
of
that
input
as
well,
and
a
couple
people
have
asked
during
this
process.
How
is
this
different
than
the
administrative
review
that
happens
now
and
I
think
a
key
difference?
F
F
F
E
You
somebody's
asking
for
Garry
Larry
pain,
actually
now
he's
probably
happy
because
he
has
his
$5,000
threshold,
but
when
he
didn't
have
that
he
was
saying,
go,
look
at
all
those
B
once
and
see
where
they
butt
up
against.
That's
gonna
be
our
problem
area.
Now
that
he
has
this
five
thousand
threshold.
I,
don't
think
it.
You
know
it
didn't
seem
like
it
came
back,
but
we
can
look
at
the
you
know
the
b-17.
E
In
your
head,
you
could
see
all
those
place,
that's
where
we
do
have
the
b1
zones
like
you're
you're,
a
flower
shop
down
the
street
and
Frank's
bait
shop
and
yeah
I'm
gonna,
forget
them
Dairy,
Queen
and
those
are
places
where.
Theoretically,
this
could
be
a
problem,
but
it
was
sort
of
a
either
or
was
it
no.
F
D
If
you're
under
five
euro
sounds
under
5,000,
if
you
were
about
tearing
that
down
and
then
building
something
over
5,000
because
you
were
but
an
r1
actually
just
building
anything
new,
you
would,
if
you
would
do
a
remodel
over
25%
and
you
about
an
r1.
You
have
to
go
through
the
process.
That's
the
way.
I
read
it.
F
E
A
A
I
H
A
F
A
A
J
C
E
That
would
be
helpful.
My
basic
starting
point
and
I've
told
them
already
to
restrain
me
because
I'm
in
a
terrible
mood,
yeah.
E
E
It
seems
to
be
moving
along
and
they
said,
no,
they
haven't
heard
anything
from
them,
and
yet
we
have
letters
status
at
22nd
of
June
2007,
and
these
are
people
who,
if
they
move
I,
mean
I,
look
at
the
picture
and
I
think
she
wears
purple,
chopsticks
gonna
go
and
how
about
will
Chandler
and
how
about
some
of
these
other
buildings
that
are
along
there
that
are
going
to
be
potentially
impacted,
I
mean
you
know
the
this
is
the
floodway
right.
I
remember.
C
E
A
E
G
E
E
J
J
E
A
D
E
J
But
there
the
point
of
the
brother
doubles
license,
though,
is
that
they're
not
going
to
change
the
configuration
of
the
stream
now
if
they
get
the
ODNR
permit?
Yes,
they
will
change
the
configuration
of
the
stream
they'll
change
that
the
the
contour
of
the
bank
there'll
be
a
lot
of
other
changes
that
will
go
into
that
making.
E
J
J
E
The
people
downstream
have
been
affected
by
our
bridge
at
times
when
there's
been
brush
and
it
haven't,
they,
maybe
not
recently
designing
laws,
I
mean
I,
just
I,
guess
wonder
it's
not
such
a
easy
thing
to
to
think
about,
especially
since
the
people
that
are
probably
going
to
be
affected,
haven't
really
I.
Don't
think,
then
notify
the
people
who
have
property
in
that
area
who
have
rights
as
much
as
mr.
Edwards
has.
J
E
J
F
F
E
F
E
C
I
I
I
H
E
I
think
the
people
that
live
in
that
area
should
have
I
mean
I
thought
people
have
been
fighting
this
project,
don't
live
in
the
area,
people
own
property
and
have
businesses
should
know
what
the
options
are
and
help
give
us
some
guidance.
The
one
place
we
have
a
decision-making
point.
We
should
have
some
input
from
people
who
see
it,
who
live
with
it
every
day
or
who
want
to
sell
their
property
to
Coachella
and
one
of
those
who
knows
what.
A
J
At
this
point,
the
zoning
certificates
been
issued
that
it's
an
appropriate
use
for
the
site.
The
land
development
permit
is
still
sitting
there
waiting
for
some
final
review
by
its
our
engineers
and
some
corrections
from
their
engineers.
But
it's
down
to
they're
talking
decimal
points
on
heck
rasma,
oh
heck,
rad
models
or
whatever,
which
I
don't
totally
understand,
but
but
that's
basically,
where
it's
at
and
once
that's
completed,
then
we
go
to
the
next
step
of
where
are
they?
What
are
they
doing
with
the
dirt.
J
J
I
I
E
Is
really
important?
We
have
hundreds
of
cars
going
across
this
bridge,
perhaps
our
own
buses-
and
you
know
this
is
the
only
decision
point.
We
have
I'd
like
to
see
the
for
a
for
plan,
so
we
know
so
we
know
from
our
point
of
view
as
a
limited
as
it
is
those
people
who
make
decisions
on
political
basis,
what
what
the
options
are
and
I
don't
think
we
have
it
right
now,
I'd
like
to
ask
you
to
get
it
for
a
floor
plan
before
we
consider
it
again,
I
think.
J
E
E
Better
and
better
plans
for
the
bridge,
so
we
can
ask
a
plan.
I
intend
to
go
along
and
ask
the
people
I
know
what
that
will
have
businesses
there,
what
they
think
I
mean
it's
it's
pretty
serious.
Is
there
down
at
the
stream
level
and
all
the
water
might
be
running
down
that
road
and
I
think
there
could
be
some
issues
and
I'd
like
to
do
it
right
at
least
whatever
part
I
have
to
do
right.
I'd
like
to
do.
A
A
And
I
have
some
extra
copies
of
this.
Anyone
wants
them.
This
is
on
Columbus
Road.
It's
an
application
from
Jack
Elvis
for
a
revocable
license
to
allow
a
portion
of
a
new
parking
area
to
encroach
15
feet
into
our
rather
wide
right-of-way
out
there,
and
there
is
a
drawing
the
third
page
in
which
shows
the
proposed
parking
area.
It
shows
the
pump
station
the
water
pump
station
that
we're
locating
there
and
it
shows
where
Columbus
Road
currently
is
so
it's
what
distance
from
the
roadway
itself.
Would
you
say
about.
F
E
C
E
J
H
J
E
J
E
E
There,
okay,
will
you
front?
Will
you
and
Amy
promise
me
that
you
look
at
this
crossing
to
the
West
Green?
There
are
more
students
now.
The
mass
transit
system,
that
is
the
elevators,
take
them
right
down
and
they
go
right
across
I
can
tell
you
from
walking
over
there
for
noon
classes.
The
last
five
years,
it's
a
much
more,
not
this
year,
but
last
few
years,
a
much
more
well
trafficked
area,
I.
H
D
H
H
J
But
whether
it's
going
to
be
an
in-and-out
or
it's
gonna
be
an
entrance
only
or
an
exit.
Only
there
are
a
lot
of.
There
are
a
lot
of
parameters
that
can
be
put
on
to
a
curb
cut
or
an
access
to
public
to
the
public
way
that
involves
safety
and
then
involve
good
design,
and
our
engineers
will
be
involved
in
the
good
design
side
and
we'll
be
looking
at
the
safety
side,
and
it
may
be
that
practical
in
and
out
of
any
point
on
in
that
area
is
going
to
be
bad.
Wow.
H
E
They
have
a
big
retaining
wall
there
and
or
how
are
they
going?
I
mean
when
you
talk
about
good
design,
good
design,
this
area
I
mean
you
know
it's
gonna,
be
good
design
of
an
idea
that
somebody
had
right.
I
mean
it's
not
gonna,
be
as
something
that
most
of
us
would
have
picked
out
and
said:
oh
that's
fabulous!
Let's
do
it
it'll
make
such
a
great-looking
room
right.
D
Engineering
cost
for
either
reading
or
a
replacement
of
some
nature
for
the
Richland,
Avenue,
Bridge
or
Hawking,
and
for
whatever
type
of
intersection
changes
result
from
the
Richland
682
I
mean
altogether
we're
talking,
probably
a
five
million
dollar
project
here,
just
from
the
bridge
through
the
intersection
right.
The.
A
I
A
A
Think
we
have
some
new
applications.
At
least
some
people
have
requested
them.
Okay,
I'll
I'll
check
with
the
clerk
after
the
meeting
to
see
if
we
have
enough
to
form
it
I'm,
not
sure
if
we're
there
yet,
but
I
have
had
two
other
requests
for
application
forms
so
we're
making
progress.
Okay,.
C
A
C
F
F
There
was
$25,000
in
streets
capital
fund
that
we
agreed
to
use
that
because
of
several
issues
a
couple
landlord
land
owners
built
their
own
section
of
the
sidewalk.
We
got
a
really
good
deal
from
the
contractor
because
he
was
doing
some
work
in
that
area.
The
city's
expenses
were
only
seven
thousand
dollars.
C
D
D
I
F
D
Sure
I'll
try
to
go
through
them.
First,
a
month
is
funding
for
this
engineering
study
for
those
projects,
as
we
pretty
fully
discussed.
Really
the
amount
to
appropriate
this
year
probably
only
needs
to
be
what
we're
going
to
spend
this
year,
but
I'm
sure
that
the
engineering
firm
will
want
to
know
what
you
know
total
contracts
are.
We
don't
have
the
ordinance
I
can't
author,
you
know,
sign
a
purchase
order
and
they
may
not
start
until
then.
D
So
we're
probably
you
know,
I
know
that
they're,
probably
not
gonna,
spend
more
than
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
or
so
this
year
calendar
year,
but
the
overall
project
probably
is
going
to
be
in
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollar
range
and
minimum
to
take
it
all
the
way
through
final
design,
engineering-
and
this
is
what
we've
have
the
tax
for-
is
to
the
the
funds
that
do
this
tree
grief
rebuild.
This
is
a
rebuild
of
intersection
and
rebuild
of
a
bridge,
and
there
are
funds
available
in
it.
A
Have
a
question
about
the
the
traffic
study
part
of
this
that
was
that
folks
were
just
discussing
is
part
of
the
intention
of
the
study
to
look
at
whether
it's
a
good
idea
and
whether
it's
safe
to
add
a
curb
cut
in
the
area,
or
is
this
just
engineering
on
the
assumption
that
this
is
something
that's
going
to
happen?
So
how
should
we
do
it?
I
mean
if
I
really
want
to
know
both.
D
D
D
D
J
J
E
H
D
J
H
H
J
H
E
You
also
tell
me
why,
as
long
I
still
don't
feel
I
feel
that
there's
an
unanswered
question:
why
would
we
start
a
precedent
street
we're
not
redesigning
richland
bridge?
That's
over
the
over
the
scar?
Can
we
reduce
our
costs
and
just
go
from
the
end
of
the
Richland
Avenue
Bridge
down
to
the
other,
where
the
traffic
problem
so.
D
E
What
it
seems
to
what
it
seems
like
I
guess
that
we
all
have
the
same
question
when
what
we
have
is
redo
of
the
Richland
area
bridge
over
the
Hocking
River.
We
have
a
redo
of
that
intersection,
but
all
of
a
sudden,
its
way
up
the
street
now-
and
we
are
talking
about
something
much
more
comprehensive,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
me
that
those
two
things
are
at
all
entwined
with
the
bridge
has
to
be
repaired.
Cuz
the
decking
needs
to
be
repaired.
The
Richland
Avenue
thing
is
gonna,
be
there
no
matter
what
the.
D
Question
also
Nancy
is
not
just
for
rear
decking
of
it,
but
it's
four-lane
bridge.
There's
a
high
number
of
left-hand
turns
it
becomes
a
one
lane.
Should
it
be
a
six
Lane
bridge?
No,
that's
that's
a
real
question:
what's
the
volume
of
traffic
coming
down
682
from
the
bypass,
especially
in
the
mornings
etc?
D
So
that's
what
we
really
want
to
look
at
yeah
and
you
got
to
get
a
feel
for
what
is
the
tote
where's
all
this
traffic
coming
from
you
know
it
is
it
all
ending
at
peden
Stadium
parking
lots,
because
everybody
then
makes
a
left-hand
turn
or
a
right-hand
turn
as
you're
coming
into
work
and
left
when
you're
going
out,
and
so
our
thought
I
mean
our.
We
can
give
you
a
copy
of
the
request
for
proposal
that
we
asked
for
and
more
than
happy
for.
You
to.
D
You
know,
take
a
look
at
that
I
guess
we
got
16
different
engineering
firms,
they've
been
on
it
or
you
know,
that's
why
we
had
the
committee
look
over
everything
and
have
the
committee
and
everything
for
that.
It's
that
and
the
committees
come
forward.
Now,
let's
give
us
the
recommendation,
and
my
next
step,
for
it
occurs,
is
to
ask
you
for
some
money.
So
we
hire
the
engineering
firm.
J
E
E
J
A
You
know
engineer
how
the
curb
cuts
gonna
happen,
that
it's
gonna
be
a
process
to
determine
whether
the
curb
that
should
happen,
because
I
feel
like
some
of
the
problems
that
we
are
dealing
with
in
that
corridor
are
things
that
have
happened
with
no
knowledge
or
involvement
of
the
city.
If
you
look
at
the
the
little
bricks
that
were
made
to
go
across
the
street,
that
look
like
a
cross
work
walk
that
weren't
supposed
to
really
be
a
crosswalk.
A
D
A
Thing
that
sticks
out
from
Bentley
that
makes
it
really
hard
for
people
to
see
the
traffic
coming
around
the
corner.
That
was
a
decision
that
the
university
made
that
I
think
has
impacted
pedestrian
safety,
and
now
we
I
know
figure
out
how
to
deal
with
it.
So
if
we're
doing
I
think
doing
a
study
is
a
good
idea,
but
I
want
our
decisions
to
be
based
on.
You
know,
recommendations
coming
from
the
study
not
just
trying
to
cope
with
something
that
we
don't
really
have
control
over.
You.
J
Know
I
think
we're
trying
to
make
the
process
of
going
through
the
design
phase
of
this
process
very
transparent
for
lack
of
a
better
description,
we're
trying
to
involve
citizens.
In
this
initial
committee,
we
involve
representatives
from
the
community
and
the
engineering
selection
process
and
we're
also
going
to
involve
them
in
the
discussion
about
what
is
included
and
not
included.
I
mean
you
know
it's
because
it
goes
far
beyond
just
fixing
some
holes
in
the
bridge
and
fixing
the
traffic
light
at
the
intersection
I.
I
C
I
C
E
I
Have
other
questions
the
age
of
the
bridge,
we're
gonna,
be
doing
an
engineering
study
on
the
upper
Richland
Avenue
bridge
the
old
one?
How
far
is
that
going
to
survive?
I
mean
a
weekend
routine.
I
D
D
I
J
A
I
E
E
C
E
H
Just
to
reiterate
what
Debbie
said
you
know
the
idea
I
like
the
idea
of
studying
the
whole
strip
of
Richland,
because
I
think
you
know
having
a
six-lane
bridge
and
feeding
into
a
one
lane.
You
know,
isn't
very
useful,
so
I
think
that
whole
corridor
study
is
really
important
and
I
just
just
want
to
say
that
you
know
I
think
we
all
would
look
forward
to
seeing
the
study
or
having
you
see
the
study
before
any
decisions
are
made
about
about.
You
know
what
to
do
there
for
MCATs,
etcetera,
etc.
H
I
E
E
J
Can
we
can
change
the
line
of
sight
for
the
pedestrians
and
vehicles
pretty
quickly?
We
can
then
carry
the
traffic
to
the
left
side
as
it
approaches.
President
Street
make
President
Street
one
lane
on
the
left-hand
side,
with
bus
stops
and
parking
on
the
right-hand
side,
and
you
force
the
traffic
to
the
left
as
it
comes
around
Bentley,
which
draws
will
maximizes
whatever
line
of
sight.
They
get
there.
It.
E
E
E
People
just
go
across
like
a
bunch
of
cockroaches,
both
ways,
and
you
know,
and
it's
I
think
you
still
got
the
same
problem.
I
mean
I,
want
to
see.
I
would
like
to
see
the
Bentley
problem
solved
before
I
go
off
council
or
die,
and
it
just
seems
like
it's
never
gonna
happen,
I
mean
it's.
It's
a
safety
problem,
yeah.
F
E
F
D
D
Okay,
I've
got
this
I
need
an
ordinance
authorizing
us
to
dispose
of
some
auction
items,
there's
about
12
or
13
of
them
that
we've
estimated
the
value
is,
could
possibly
at
auction
go
over
$1000.
Some
of
these
are
impound
vehicles
that
we
have
received
through
the
police
department.
Some
of
them
are
our
own
vehicles.
There
was
a
couple
code,
3
code
vehicles,
I
believe
that
we
replaced
and
no
honey,
woman
and
our
inner
city
wants
to
use
them.
D
We
have
have
a
quote
from
that
on
it,
particularly
specifically
for
thirty,
two
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
new
one
runs
a
three
hundred
fifty
and
a
hundred
eighty
thousand
more
than
more
than
that.
Now
the
chassis
and
frame-
and
everything
of
this
is
still
good-
the
engine
for
the
that
all's-
it
is
still
fine,
so
they
can
get
more
years
out
of
it.
If
we
just
replace
the
holding
tanks
and
everything.
D
D
E
C
E
E
Well,
yeah
I
mean
it
was
just
after
we
adjourned.
Take
her
I.
D
C
D
E
D
In
a
number
of
different
funds,
we
for
some
reason
it's
a
year
for
refunds
code,
two
hundred
dollars
down
for
refunds.
They
should
have
all
$200
any
day
increases
garbage
fund
who
had
very
little
own
refunds
last
year
at
500.
They
spent
I
think
it's
360
or
they're
so
far.
It
was
all
because
Taco
Bell
was
paying
it
locally
and
they
were
paying
it
corporately.
They
caught
it
and
one
of
the
refunds
for
some
unknown
reason
can't
imagine
it.
We
think
the
water
in
the
sewer
funds,
okay,
look
I
got
a
gut.
D
You
have
to
get
a
report
for
recreation
as
to
any
refunds
were
there
for
it
from
the
government
channel
on
the
website.
They
want
a
MacPro
parallel,
desktop
Mac
to
the
17
inch
monitor
software,
Apple,
hair,
Protection,
Plan,
and
everything
has
a
proposal
here
for
eight
thousand
two
hundred
and
four
dollars
and
forty
three
cents.
E
D
D
D
It
will
rework
with
the
new
one
yeah
yeah,
let's
see
in
the
community
centers
we've
received,
like
sixteen
thousand
five
hundred
dollar
grant
for
equipment
at
the
Community
Center
from
the
Department
of
Health,
was
where
it
was
stashed.
What
we
would
like
to
do
is
we
have
seven
seven-year-old
ellipticals.
D
They
don't
have
a
lease
purchase
plan
or
anything
that
costs
forty
two
hundred
ninety
five
dollars,
each
that
in
shipping
will
be
thirteen
490,
and
then
we
feel
that
the
three
hundred
chairs
back
in
the
back
community
room
have
had
seven
years
worth
of
coffee
stains
and
everything
else
and
probably
need
to
be
rotated
out
totally.
This
will
mean
a
cost
in
the
neighborhood
of
twenty
thousand
dollars,
but
with
this
sixteen
five
that
we
have,
plus
we
already
have
in
the
eighteen,
twenty
eight
so
I've
been
appropriated,
not
spent.
We
can
allocate
it
to
that.
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Recreation
cap
is
all
along
and
we
have
a
couple
of
issues
in
there
and
I.
Haven't
the
auditor's
office
hasn't
gotten
it
the
final
on
it,
because
it's?
How
do
you
look
at
replacement
of
things
like,
for
example,
the
heater
in
the
pool
locker
room
areas?
We
always
keep
that
at
forty
forty
five
degrees
in
the
wintertime,
so
we
don't
have
problems.
It's
dead
needs
about
so
to
get
a
new
one,
but
it
would
be
energy-efficient.
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$1,700
got
two
slides
that
have
taped
off
and
not
done.
One
is
a
larger
section.
The
other
the
to
do
together
is
about
seventeen
hundred
dollars,
so
it's
like
twenty
seven
hundred
I
need
and
then
into
seven
forty
or
the
two.
Seventy,
but
I've
got
I.
Think
eighteen
hundred
and
forty
dollars
left
and
cap
to
do
so.
That's
another!
You
know
if
the
auditor's
office
says
yep
you're,
replacing
a
capital
asset
or
you
know
a
section
or
a
portion
of
a
cap,
same
thing.
With
the
background
talk
we
increasing
the
value
of
that
asset.
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In
my
mind,
so
yeah
we've
got
a
few
things
like
that
that
have
come
up.
I
will
also
do
want
to
do
so
from
looking
in
more
recreation
has
been.
It's
been
a
banner
year,
I
mean
four
hundred
and
thirty.
Eight
kids
children
signed
up
for
the
soccer
youth
soccer
program
from
kindergarten
through
sixth
grade
got.
33
teams
competing
Aaron
wants
more
soccer
balls.
A
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We
just
bought
doing
nets
and
everything
for
that.
The
new
field,
which
was
in
the
other
appropriation.
So
we
need
some
items
in
recreation,
but
we
have
the
income
to
be
able
to
cover
what
I'm
looking
at
is
because
the
arts
West
Emily,
wasn't
hired
until
May
mid-may
as
full-time
I've
got
I
know
at
least
ten
thousand
or
more
savings
in
my
100
series.
So
I
may
just
move
from
the
100
series
down
to
the
other,
but
I
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
we
were
doing
that.
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So
it's
being
used,
I
know
copies
in
both
the
assistant,
recreation
directors,
offices
and
we've
talked
about.
If
that
doesn't
work
relation
staff
meeting
as
to
how
we
can
better
use
that,
because
there
was
a
mindset
at
one
point
in
time
that
I
was
being
told
we're
covering
our
costs
while
we're
covering
our
costs
of
people
involved,
but
not
necessarily
of
the
director
or
the
secretary
or
people
or
maintenance.
Folks,
I
mean
direct
provision
of
services
is
covered,
but
the
other
items
are
not
necessarily
all
covered.