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A
C
The
noise
ordinance
one
of
those
is
a
very
loud
compressor
in
this
chambers,
as
well
as
another
one
at
the
East
elementary
school
and
the
one
at
East
elementary
school.
We
may
be
able
to
address
with
a
change
that
Gary
recommended.
Those
of
you
that
read
your
email
know
that
Palo
Alto
has
a
very
in-depth
and
specific
noise
ordinance
and
it's
very
upscale
neighborhood.
So
how
can
they
be
wrong
in
any
case
of
what
they
suggest
is
some
Gary
suggested
is
that
we
would
incorporate
9
1003
into
our
ordinance.
C
We
don't
care
we're
trying
to
solve
the
problem,
who
is
very
concerned
about
the
compressor
at
an
elementary
school,
and
so
I
would
like
to
talk
to
the
judge
about
this.
Tell
them
what's
going
on
and
then
bring
it
up
with
as
an
amendment
to
the
noise
ordinance
that
the
residential
property
should
not
be
day
or
night
subjected
to
the
noise
of
a
mechanical
device.
C
Totally
new
to
you,
okay,
well
I've,
been
receiving
many
emails
from
some
residents
on
Morris
Avenue,
who
say
that
an
HVAC
unit
at
a
nearby
facility.
Yes,
the
is
a
culprit
that
they're
being
subjected
with
open
windows
to
noise
day
and
night
and
they've
been
complaining
for
about
six
months.
They
did
complain
to
the
code
office
and
they
say
that
enforcement
is
a
police
matter
and
so
I
asked
Gary
and
Gary
was
actually
working
for
me.
Our
us
yesterday
to
do
this,
so
thank
you
Gary
to
do
to
get
this
taken.
D
C
C
C
D
Seems
to
me
that
that
stands
as
a
model
for
many
of
the
things
that
we
have
works,
a
consistent
complaint
about
complaints
about
a
place
where
an
activity
that
we
need
to
encourage
the
owners
to
look
at
other
possibilities.
Rather
than
continuing
on
this.
You
know
more
restrictive,
no
noise
ordinances
and
make
it
stricter,
stricter,
and
you
know
there
there
is
a
responsibility
of
these
owners
to
perhaps.
C
And
I
they're
at
a
standstill
at
this
point,
because
noise
during
the
day
is
not
covered
by
our
rightness.
So
I
would
like
to
proceed
by
going
to
see
the
judge
and
showing
you
what
we
have
and
if
he
agrees,
is
there.
Anyone
who
would
object
to
bringing
this
forward
as
an
amendment
to
have
them
that
redress,
day
and
night
for
from
loud
noise,
six
decibels
above
the
ambient
level
in
the
neighborhood,
except
in
the
cases
of
them,
except
in
the
cases
of
construction
which
are
already
covered
by
the
code.
Yeah.
C
B
G
C
G
F
That's
what
I
mean
and
actually
well,
but
the
next
question
it
arises
is
a
I.
Have
a
gentleman
in
my
neighborhood
complains
about
the
backing
up
with
trucks
at
our
thirty
current
street.
During
the
midnight
fixing
a
you
know,
water,
you
know,
there's
a
water
break.
We
have
two
trucks
that
start
going
out
and
fixing
the
water
breaks
and
they
have
their
radios
on
and
they
have
at
times
the
backup
beeping.
With
this
fall
under
that
category
as
well.
D
C
F
C
This
is
current
code
schools,
quartz,
Church,
hospitals,
sails
and
then
it
also
says
between
11:00
p.m.
and
7:00
a.m.
shouting,
yelling
chanting
and
making
use
of
the
human
voice
or
vocal
cords
in
a
louder
than
normal
conversational
tone
or
pitch
other
than
an
emergency
legislation.
So
what
he
suggests
is
that
the
problem
with
the
the
court
outside
court
and
the
bar
is
one
that
is
already
covered
by
our
code
and
that
what
we
need
to
do
is
sharpen
up
our
enforcement
and
I
started,
jumping
up
and
down
about
the
question
of.
C
If
somebody
has
a
band
in
the
backyard
of
my
neighborhood
and
they're
playing
at
11
o'clock,
the
police
come
and
tell
them
to
stop,
and
they
don't
have
to
single
out
each
musician.
So
the
bathroom
player
doesn't
get
a
warning.
Instead,
the
person
who's
managing
the
house
gets
the
morning
and
they
leave
and
so
I
mean
we
already
are
enforcing
it
in
some
sense.
In
this
way,
so
it's
a
matter
of
will
and
I
would
also
like
to
take
this
to
the
police
or
to
the
judge,
see
what
he
has
to
say.
Questions
on
this.
C
Gray
gave
a
wonderful
testimony
when
we
had
the
liquor
hearing
and
he
said
that
if
the
problem
is
geographical,
it's
the
fact
that
the
noise
projects
off
the
hill-
and
you
know
they're
fully
aware
of
it.
It's
the
only
place
where
it
happens
and
he
understands
there's
concern
but
I
think
they've
been
turf.
They,
the
police,
have
interpreted
ourselves.
They
can't
get
every
single
person
who
shouts.
Well,
that's
my
bassoon
answer.
You
know
the
bassoon,
the
drummer
doesn't
get
a
the
management
of
a
house.
C
G
I,
just
not
a
question
just
to
comment,
I've
been
saying
exactly
that
with
regards
to
this
issue,
to
several
people
in
a
neighborhood
association,
but
they
also
all
of
these
people
have
had
instances
where
they
have
called
and
been
told
it
that
law
cannot
be
enforced.
So
please.
B
C
G
A
F
C
I
think
that's
a
good
idea,
so
unless
it's
understood
that
it
is
something
that
has
to
be
done
that
we
will
enforce
because
of
the
noise
ordinance
in
this
particular
instance.
Okay,
second
thing
in
my
agenda
is
the
Central
Avenue
in-house
repair
and
they'll
handed
it
to
me,
because
he
said
that
I
had
him
I
had
the
service
scissor
I
was
sitting
next
to
my
guest.
What's
the
reason
why
25.
E
C
C
And
if
the
city
of
athos
replaces
the
roofs
and
window,
this
could
be
counted
as
an
in-kind
contribution.
Then
the
community
action
would
pay
100%
of
the
furnace
replacement.
If
the
city
wants
to
include
air
conditioning,
this
cost
would
have
to
be
provided
by
the
city.
So
what
we
have
is
an
asset
that
maybe
some
of
you
haven't
seen
it's
a
modest
house,
but
it's
one
that
needs
to
be
maintained,
and
so
I
don't
know.
C
C
Or
30
you
know,
and
the
house
is
certainly
worth
4
times-
that
much
or
more
I
mean
at
least
because
it
you
know
it
could
be
if
we
were
on
the
market.
So
it's
there's
no
question
about
that.
We
should
be
doing
this,
so
the
question
is
some:
would
you
like
us
to
pursue
the
tri-county
option
and
try
to
get
as
much
as
we
can,
because
this
is
going
to
be
leased
out
for
the
metropolitan
Housing
Authority
there
it
is
or
it
has
been,
it
will
be.
Yes,
it.
F
C
B
C
F
C
So
they
said,
exterior
siding
would
be
power
washing
in
two
paints,
4000-5000
metal,
roofing
and
on.
E
B
C
I
C
That
seems
I
guess
if
the
city
is
doing
it,
they'll
really
make
us
pay
one
thing
replace
the
roof
of
the
carport
in
the
garage
and
that
we
could
probably
do
on
our
own
next
year
replacement
windows
again,
five
thousand.
So
if
we
do
five
thousand
for
the
furnace
and
ten
thousand
and
excuse
me,
let
me
start
again:
if
we
do
one
part
of
it,
that
would
be
the
we're.
C
G
B
C
B
I
C
J
I
J
J
J
J
Yes,
I
do
think
that
would
be
because
I
know,
council
was
also
indicated
they
wish
to.
If
we
could
put
the
other
thing
plus,
the
shower
could
put
the
other
funding
together
to
do
the
Farmers,
Market
pavilion
and
that's
one
of
the
sources
also
possible.
There
is
the
program
income
along
with
loan
funds
not
used,
and
then
there's
the
other
possibility
is
the
Athens
revitalization,
the
old
station
project.
That's.
J
J
C
B
C
H
C
C
Okay,
so
that's
the
second
thing
we'll
have
some.
Unless
there's
a
serious
objection,
we
will
take
care
of
our
property.
I
didn't
know
that
we
had
money
sitting
around
somewhere.
It's
good
to
know
so
we'll
use
that
next
is
a
truck
the
purchase
of
a
truck
new
car
put
forward
the
request
to
replace
a
truck.
C
D
C
F
H
C
C
It's
the
one
going
down
I'm,
so
I'm
gonna
buy
on
that
one
and
then
unpaid
rental
permit
fees.
I
they
asked
there
were
quite
a
few
people,
apparently
who
got
stuck,
but
there's
some
people
that
I
believe
and
I've
talked
to
Gary
about
this
and
they're
starting
prosecution
of
people
that
have
not
made
the
information
was
sent
forward
and
there's
one,
especially
where
I
spent
several
years
and
I.
Think
at
some
point
we've
talked
about
trying
to
why.
C
B
C
F
J
C
J
H
A
Model
is
quickly
going
back
to
the
storm
sewer
on
the
firm
Avenue.
Is
that
being
engineered
so
that
the
last
part
of
court
Street
I,
know
years
ago,
when
we
talked
about
at
the
height
of
bricks,
and
all
of
that
was
a
big
difficulty?
Are
we
seeing
that
that's
engineered,
so
the
rest
of
that
can
be
done
in
brick.
The.
K
K
But
what
we're
looking
at
here,
unfortunately,
is
a
storm
sewer
that
also
that
runs
basically
from
State
Street
along
the
West,
curb
line,
Court
Street
down
to
fern
alley
and
the
main
storm
line
that
runs
across
for
an
alley.
So
the
two
of
those
both
need
to
be
repaired
before
we
do
any
further
work
on
North,
Fort
Street.
So
my
question.
B
C
G
C
B
L
Remember
the
Northside
neighborhood
association,
who's
gonna
be
arriving
probably
about
7:30,
so
I
think
we
should
just
go
ahead
and
take
another
item.
First,
mr.
rep,
if
you're
ready
to
present
about
the
grand
Vista
final
PUD,
we
have
a
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission
I
have
these
of
the
plans.
If
you
want
to
people
down
here
to
be
able
to
spread
one
out
and
one.
C
L
A
M
M
My
goal
tonight
is
to
start
the
process
through,
on
the
final
three
readings
on
the
PUD
for
grand
Vista,
we've
been
through
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
shade
tree
Commission
and
disabilities
Commission,
and
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
present
this
a
committee
tonight
so
that
we
can
get
the
public
hearing
and
possibly
with
the
third
reading
done
before
you
go
on
August
break,
but
then
I
have
a
30-day
waiting
grade
so
that
one's
making
make
the
timing
works.
Well.
M
E
M
Be
just
about
ready
to
start
doing
some
building,
so
that
would
make
our
our
plan
work.
Well
on
your
plans
there,
the
shade
tree
Commission.
Let
me
just
recap
that
from
then
I
went
through
two
sessions.
They
come
out
and
view
it
and
everything,
and
my
engineers
and
landscape
people
had
put
location
of
trees
and
stuff
like
that,
and
after
I
met
twice
with
the
shade
tree
and
they
came
out.
M
We
kind
of
all
got
our
heads
together
and
said
that
I
think
these
people
know
as
much
or
more
than
my
engineers
and
stuff
about
the
trees.
So
we
came
up
with
a
mutual
agreement
that
when
it
comes
time
to
plant
the
trees,
we
know
where
the
locations
of
them
are
gone,
but
the
shade
tree,
people
as
a
group
are
gonna
help
us
select
the
right
trees
because
we've
put
some
trees
up
there,
that
we
thought
were
real,
pretty
and
after
I
get
talking
to
these
people.
M
They're
not
gonna,
grow
out
and
around
they're
gonna
grow
up
and
we
thought
through
we're,
gonna
grow
out.
So
it's
just
what
learning
experience,
but
these
people
have
volunteered
to
help.
So
we're
going
to
use
their
expertise
on
that
as
far
as
we've
turned
in
all
of
our
packaged
stormwater
and
all
that
stuff,
the
only
thing
that
wasn't
done
at
the
time
of
the
landing
commission
was
a
soil
stability.
M
Got
that
I
have
amazing,
plum
this
on
Wednesday
with
the
engineers
for
wreath,
happened
and
I
told
ray
before
the
mazing
Hope,
my
Thursday
Friday
I'll
present
that
to
Ferguson
I
post,
so
that
would
complete
our
package
so
that
we
could
go
ahead
and
have
a
public
hearing
and
then
the
verges
tonight
would
have
approval.
One
is
soil
stability
report
before
you
had
your
first
reading.
M
M
M
E
M
Each
level
will
be
a
closet
there,
but
the
shaft
of
the
elevator
will
already
be
built
in
there.
So
in
other
words,
if
you
buy
it,
you
decide
you
don't
want
it,
that's
fine,
but
if
you
go
to
resell
it
and
the
person
buying,
it
has
the
option
to
have
an
elevators
foot
in
there
at
minimal
cost.
Well
major
structural
changes.
M
M
M
And
selling
main
level
as
far
as
lighting,
what
we've
decided,
who
hasn't
each
gated
entrance,
we
will
have
a
regular
street
light
with
the
names
on
it,
the
streets,
first
of
all,
from
that's
safety
reasons,
that's
consistent
with
everything
else,
we've
done
in
the
development,
then.
As
far
as
lighting
goes
in
here,
each
unit
will
have
its
own
mailbox
with
a
light
on
the
top
of
it.
M
Streetlights,
because
this
is
the
one
project
that
will
be
probably
more
visible
from
town
than
any
project
we've
got
out
there,
so
we
wanted
to
minimize
the
lights
and
the
same
way
with
the
tree
cover
the
trees.
This
is
arm
they
drove
down
here.
So
all
these
trees
stay
here
and
then
what
we're
gonna
do
across
here
is
every
place.
You
can
see
a
driveway
going
up
and
we'll
make
sure
we
have
a
toaster
of
trees
and
stuff.
M
M
B
M
M
This
is
ralph
682
out
of
this
end,
so
this
is
the
project
here.
This
is
the
bicycle
path,
as
it
comes
indoor
project
from
the
railroad
bridge
right
now.
This
is
also
the
access
for
the
waterline
and
the
electric.
Everything
is
coming
up
through
there
we're
playing
the
gradual
and
slow
this
project
so
that
it
meets
this.
M
M
The
project
has
gone
down
four
and
jonatha.
Seen
is
our
engineer
has
done
most
of
our
other
engineering.
Ron
White
will
be
the
Builder
who's,
also
building
houses
and
is
also
doing
the
villas.
We're
proud
to
say
we're
using
all
local
contractors
and
probably
85%
of
the
suppliers
are
all
local
companies
around.
Here
there's
been
a
few
specialty
items
that
we've
had
to
go
outside
of
Athens.
M
The
utilities
will
be
underground
now
that
we
have
Planning
Commission
approval.
We
went
to
the
next
level
to
get
the
utility
people
in
there
to
design
their
how
they're
gonna
do
their
their
utilities
I
guess
tonight.
What
I'm
asking
for
is
is
for
conversation
from
you
on
this
and
I'd
like
to
move
in
a
long-term
age
of
the
public
hearing
stage,
so
we'd
be
ready
to
introduce
it
as
an
ordinance
as
soon
as
I
get
the
verges.
Tonight's
final.
M
L
M
Was
a
slope
stability
study?
That
means
any
place
you
put
fill
you
have
to
do
a
study.
That
of
the
you
know,
that's
the
one
report
that
we
couldn't
get
done
and
we
were
working
on
that
and
when
we
did
the
settlement
agreement,
we
had
to
jump
off
that
release,
break
and
do
the
sauce
stability
study
for
the
villas.
So
that
put
these
guys
behind
a
little
bit,
but
we're
pretty
well
thought
out.
So
that's
where
we
stand
on
that
and.
I
F
B
F
B
G
M
D
Okay,
let's
have
a
question
that
it
really
doesn't
have
so
much
to
do
with
this
particular
part
of
the
project.
But
the
one
question
that's
come
up
in
the
transportation
task
force
is:
what
are
the
plans
of
University
of
States
in
terms
of
contracting
with
the
city,
transit
or
I
know?
You've
had
some
buses
running
around
at
the
moment
that
say
University
of
State,
so
I
wondered
what
the
intention
is
with
those
actually.
B
L
D
D
D
M
We're
gonna
do
in
those
areas
to
use
that
areas
that
the
bike
paths
will
be
going
right
by
on
both
sides
of
the
street
and
that's
a
great
place
for
us
to
have
just
a
little
pull
off
places
with
benches
and
stepping
stones
and
stuff
like
that.
You
know
where
people
can
rest
in
everything,
so
we
could
probably
incorporate
you
know
certain
pickup
points
for
for
buses.
At
the
same
time,.
D
G
Bicycle
riders
in
it
in
that
community
and
we've
tried
to
encourage
I
believe
through
our
code
that
we
don't
throw
people
out
under
the
Sun
to
the
streets
under
the
roadways
in
order
to
make
those
connections
to
make
a
connection
with
a
box
or
two
for
their
kids
to
get
out
onto
the
bike
path.
And
so
I'm
just
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
the
conscious
decision
to
take
the
sidewalks
off
the
entry
entry.
Roads.
I
like
this,
a
great
internal
sidewalk
system.
But
it
seems
that
there
should
be
a
pedestrian
link
to.
M
L
M
I
M
M
M
L
M
G
C
C
F
M
C
C
So
my
last
question
is
the
most
important
one,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
and
that
is
we
require
bonds
to
protect
the
people
who
buy
into
a
development
saying
that
we
don't
really
want
to
pay
for
the
road
as
a
city.
The
developer
should
pay
for
the
road
and
so
with
private
ownership.
It
seems
like
a
very
serious
question:
will
there
be
a
bond
with
this
road,
even
though
it's
privately
owned,
because
I
mean
if
we
don't
protect
the
interests
of
the
potential
buyers?
Who
will.
M
C
C
L
F
In
the
final
end
point
you
will
still
on
the
road
or
the
condominium
association
on
the
road
right
and
do
they
have
in
there
I
see
this
declaration
of
I
Louis
in
this
packet,
and
that's
is
there
a
maintenance
part
of
that
bylaws
for
the
road
I
said
yeah,
okay
and
is
that
it
would
that
be
a
similar
to
a
bomb
ANSI?
Is
that
what
you're
thinking
you
know.
B
C
L
B
M
We've
been
doing
testing
and
we
sent
away
in
a
Florida
company,
come
up
and
did
the
testing
on
the
part
that
we
have
the
base
only
which
is
from
the
top
of
the
hill,
where
the
residential
starts,
and
that
is
probably
going
to
be
a
situation
that
we'll
have
to
take
up
with
the
contractors.
We
did
the
work,
but
we're
going
to
make
repairs
out
of
our
own
pocket
because
there's
some
bad
spots
up
there
and
as
we
progress
you
know.
K
L
So
it's,
it
seems
to
me
like
what
we
need
to
hear
back
from
Burgess
and
I
poll,
their
response
to
the
engineering.
That's
been
done
for
soil
slope,
stability
and
stormwater,
our
folks
comfortable
with
going
ahead
and
scheduling
the
public
hearings.
So
we
can
get
the
announcement
made
and
we
would
intend
to
have
all
the
information
back
from
Burgess
and
Nigel
before
we
would
go
to
first
reading,
but
we
could
go
ahead
and
schedule.
The
public
hearing
does
that
work?
Okay,.
M
L
B
L
M
B
M
B
M
B
M
M
M
We
just
felt
like
we
don't
have
to
the
new
row,
will
start
here.
We've
left
a
hundred
foot
right
away
and
at
the
request
of
the
mayor
many
years
ago,
when
we
first
started
talking
about
this
just
in
case
some
day,
we
might
want
to
tie
it
into
682
and
maybe
bring
it
across
the
river,
but
on
this
road.
So
we
want
to
add
and
left
a
hundred
foot,
although
we're
only
using
24.
M
M
M
C
C
You
when
you
come
back
or
when
this
comes
back,
tell
us
exactly
how
much
is
going
to
stay
intact
of
the
feet
that
are
there
and
how
much
will
be
removed.
Cuz
I,
you
know
it's
hard,
are
you
saying
nothing
will
be
removed?
You
know
the
roadbed
stays
it's
covered
up
is
not
removed.
The
roadbed.
Is
there
the.
C
M
M
M
The
culverts
we
have
under
the
new
road
are
exactly
in
line
with
the
railroad
culverts
over
there
now
now,
but
we
did
not
hook
them
to
those
for
the
simple
reason
we
left,
maybe
ten
yards,
and
so
that
that
gives
your
grass
to
the
next
culvert,
so
you've
got
a
railroad
grass
and
then
our
main
road.
Thank
you.
J
F
F
M
M
M
B
D
M
J
B
M
B
F
F
J
L
So
anybody
who
has
questions
about
it,
I'm
sure
Lance
will
be
happy
to
take
you
for
a
little
tour,
yep
and
and
you'll
be
working
on
the
the
language
with
Gary.
If.
A
L
Thank
You
Lance,
we,
the
next
we're
gonna,
go
back
to
the
first
item
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
proposed
rezoning
of
the
north
end
of
Court
Street.
The
B
to
D
I
have
maps
for
everyone
which
Ray
brought
this
evening,
which
show
a
500-foot
radius
from
the
parking
garage
and
everybody
received.
I.
Think
an
email
and
a
copy
of
the
requested
information
about
how
many
parking
spaces
are
currently
used
for
non-residential
purposes.
N
L
B
F
L
L
Would
grandfather
in
anybody
who
is
currently
using
the
parking
garage
for
their
parking
if
they
already
have
a
zoning
permit
and
they
are
using
the
parking
garage
for
their
parking
they
would
be.
Grandpa
is
my
understanding,
so
anything
that's
outside
the
circle
that
currently
has
to
have
commercial
parking
would
still
have
to
have
commercial
parking.
K
G
B
D
C
L
L
People
have
been
asking
the
Planning,
Commission
and
council
to
make
this
change
for
a
long
time.
So
when
we
get
a
response
from
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
500-foot
thing
that
we
could
bring
both
ordinances
through
at
the
same
time
the
500-foot
and
the
zoning
change,
so
they
could
be
read
through
at
the
same
time,
Paul.
F
L
G
C
I
C
L
And
I
think
there
are
some
folks
here
who
wanted
to
speak
to
us
about
this.
This
evening,
I've
received
a
number
of
emails
from
folks
in
the
neighborhood
association,
some
of
whom
seem
to
think
that
this
is
a
reasonable
way
to
handle
the
concerns
about
the
possibly
increased
density
in
that
end
of
court.
Street
and
I.
Think
there
are
some
folks
who
still
would
prefer
that
we
just
not
do
the
rezoning,
not
everyone's
gonna,
be
happy
with
the
decision
that
we
make
here.
I.
L
N
My
name
is
Aaron
Leatherwood
I'm,
the
co-chair
of
the
Athens
Near
North
Side
neighborhood
association,
I
live
on
Woodward
Avenue,
about
three
blocks
to
the
south
of
of
carpenter.
Street
I
spoke
at
her.
Correspondent
was
somewhere
between
a
half
dozen
and
a
dozen
people
about
this
issue
wouldn't
claim
to
represent
any
of
them
simply
simply
to
have
had
the
opportunity
to
talk
about
this
issue
with
people.
I've
heard
a
lot
of
opposition
to
it
and
there's
been
some
discussion
and
that
discussion
has
been
along
the
lines
of
okay.
N
If
we're
not
crazy
about
this
idea
and
and
generally
people
have
been
negative
towards
the
idea
of
rezoning.
What
is
it
about
this
specifically
that
people
have
concerns
about,
and
certainly
parking
has
been
at
the
very
top
of
the
list?
In
general,
there
were
there
speakers
at
the
last
meeting
on
this
issue.
N
Those
speakers
referenced
concerns
about
noise
and
concerns
about
the
quality
of
life,
quality
of
life
in
general
being
related,
two
issues
that
come
with
crowding
and
specifically
parking
to
the
extent
that
the
parking
becomes
an
issue
it
overflows
into
the
neighborhoods
I
said:
I
live
to
the
south.
I
should
I
live
to
the
north
I'm.
Sorry.
N
N
Into
the
neighborhoods-
and
it
makes
it
more
difficult
for
people
who
are
currently
challenged
for
parking
to
find
places
for
their
cars
solutions
that
we're
currently
looking
at
it's
a
city
like
like
the
whole
hangtag
solution,
might
might
alleviate
that
somewhat.
But
if
there's
less
parking
than
a
hangtag
system
is
workable
as
well.
N
N
N
There
has
to
be
something
about
the
variance
process
and
in
general,
for
that
matter,
about
the
Planning
Commission
processes
that
say
adequate
parking
has
to
be
provided.
I
could
talk
some
about
a
number
of
variance
requests
that
I've
seen
come
before
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
There
was
the
request
last
fall,
which
was
eventually
withdrawn.
So
who
knows
which
way
it
would
have
done
that
the
request
that
was
withdrawn
last
fall.
That
said,
can
we
place
parking
for
a
bar
800
feet
away
from
our
bar
next
to
the
middle
school?
Someone
thought
this
was
reasonable.
N
N
L
H
I
just
have
a
question
on
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
got
today.
My
office
today
are
on
the
1800s
State
Street
and
a
16
West
8th,
Street,
usually
says
nine
at
each
of
those
are
those
they
share,
those
nine
are
they
each
have
nine.
They
each
have
know.
Where
are
worse.
I
know
the
nine
are
four
west
8
18
West,
8th
Street
for
the
9
for
16
west.
F
L
And
then
we
had
on
a
previous
map
drawn
in
to
include
part
of
West
State
and
fern
alley
there.
We
have
done
a
walking
field
trip
previously
to
look
at
those
those
areas.
So
that'll
be
the
recommendation
when
we
get
the
parking
500
feet
limit
that
from
the
Planning
Commission.
If
they
decide
to
go
along
with
this
idea,.
F
And
in
response
to
her,
in
there
before
you
came
in,
there
was
discussion
about
the
noise
ordinance
in
terms
of
bar
noises
and
things
of
that
nature.
That
was
Nancy's
committee,
the
first
committee-
and
she
was
talking
about
getting
together
with
the
judge
and
seeing
where
that
sits
and
I
know
that
you
now
have
an
alternative.
There's
only
what
appeals
in
your
neighborhood
so
on
the
other
thing
I
was
somewhere.
The
zoning
board
appears
needs
to
get
together
with
dairy
hunters
sometime
in
the
future
and
have
an
orientation
I,
don't
find
out.
They've.
E
L
E
E
B
L
I
mean
we
don't
generally
get
into
it
back
and
forth
discussion
on
details
of
stuff
when
people
are
speaking
to
us
in
committee,
but
that
did
come
from
the
historically.
It
was
in
the
code
at
that
radius
at
that
distance.
So
it's
a
standard
that
existed
before
in
the
city
and
I
think
it's
based
on
the
reasonable
distance
that
people
are
generally
willing
to
walk
from
there
where
they
parked
their
car
to
a
destination.
So
I
mean
it's
a
standard
that
did
exist
previously
in
Athens.
A
J
It's
a
doubling
of
the
250
feet
that
is
in
the
for
our
zones,
because,
if
you're
walking
into
your
home
carrying
baggage
and
everything
I
mean
250
has
been
our
standard
and
I
I
think
that
they've,
just
whoever
wrote
it
way
back,
probably
around
the
time
of
the
building
of
the
parking
garage
said
well,
it
was
just
used
to
500
I.
Don't
know
that
that
there
were
anything.
This
is
to
a
study
or
what's
reasonable
or
not
err,
probably.
E
Well,
it's
such
a
green
community
I
would
think
we
could
walk
a
little
further.
Maybe
today
he's
in
shape
and
not
wanting
to
pollute
the
air
with
their
cars
and
so
forth.
I
wonder
if
that
would
be
possible.
So
my
question
is:
is
there
a
way
to
extend
that
diameter
or
go
to
a
different
boundary
on
the
north
side,
with
the
parking
exception.
A
E
B
E
We
started
with
those
two
alleys
which
I
wasn't
real
familiar
with
and
somebody
above
those
two
alleys
was
concerned.
It
wasn't
going
to
include
all
of
that
North
Block
a
court,
and
then
it
went
back
to
a
Planning
Commission
for
clarification.
So
if,
if
those
two
alleys
could
be,
can
reconsider,
I,
don't
remember
the
name
but
I
believe
one
of
them
is
fern.
Fern
one
is
rose,
but.
E
L
G
B
B
G
L
We
talked
about
this
a
couple
weeks
ago,
the
time
the
evening
that
we
had
a
separate
Planning
and
Development
Committee
meeting
and
I
promised
to
get
some
well.
We
talked
about
looking
at
what
the
county
uses
in
terms
of
substantial
damage
and
then
wanted
us
to
look
at
that
a
little
bit
more
deeply,
and
this
is
in
reference
to
floodplain
regulations
or
zoning.
L
So
what
we
talked
about
was
the
auditors
appraisal
and
that
divided
by
0.35,
because
of
what
the
relationship
of
appraised
value
to
market
value
we've
gotten
some
more
information
since
then
from
Bob
Eichenberg
from
the
county
planner
about
substantial
damage.
It
looks
like
the
the
auditors
appraisal.
Information
is
commonly
used
because
it's
readily
available,
but
it's
not
the
most
accurate
information.
L
So,
rather
than
putting
that
as
the
one
standard,
it
would
be
more
appropriate
to
say
that
if
there's
a
recent
sale
or
if
the
property
owner
provides
a
professional
appraisal,
that
those
would
be
more
accurate
values
than
the
calculation
based
on
assessed
value.
So
it
seemed
like
we
needed
to
put
the
opportunity
in
there
for
people
to
provide
information
that
was
going
to
be
more
up-to-date
or
more
accurate
than
the
auditors
assessed
value.
L
So
I'm
bringing
this
back
to
you
with
that
suggestion
and
one
question
which
would
be.
What
do
we
want
to
consider
a
recent
sale
if
we
use
that
language
to
say
the
standard
for
determining
value,
because
if
somebody
makes
an
improvement
that
gets
close
to
50%
of
the
value,
then
there
starts
to
be
a
question
about
what
the
value
is,
and
we
have
to
have
something
to
peg
that
to
some
kind
of
clear
standard.
L
C
The
level
playing
field
would
be
the
auditor
and
then
supplemental
documents
being
used,
maybe
with
a
service
director.
If
you
know,
I
would
say
that
you
want
to
have
a
very
even
for
everyone,
because
there
is
the
renewal
every
six
years
and
it's
25%,
and
it's
not
perfect,
but
it
certainly
would
make
it
even
I
suspect
that
if
we
had
a
major
flood,
FEMA
would
be
in
here
and
it
would
be
more
rigid
than
that
tongue.
So.
C
First,
well,
you
know
and
I'm
only
one
but
I
prefer
it,
because
everybody
knows
what
the
issues
are.
I
mean
you
could
do
comps
the
way
they
do
in
the
real
estate
market
say
you
do
I
mean
the
comparable
sales
because
on
a
street
there's
so
much
variation,
so
I'll
recent
I
mean
it's
just
impossible
to
use
it.
C
C
A
It's
a
tough
wouldn't
struggle
with
the
calls
I've
had
personal
experience
after
a
flood,
so
I
know
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
and
I'm
imagining
that
if
a
person
did
not
want
to
have
to
come
up
to
the
new
standard,
they're
going
to
want
the
property
to
appraise
as
high
as
possible,
so
to
use
about
any
kind
of
professional
appraisal
or
any
recent
sale
is
certainly
going
to
be.
A
higher
number
than
the
auditor
has
considerably
higher,
which
I
don't
think
you
know
works
well
for
us
to
upgrade
housing
stocks
after
a
flood.
A
B
B
A
B
F
F
A
A
L
L
L
The
agriculture
and
horticultural
buildings
exempted,
and
his
answer
is
that
we
wouldn't
need
to
accept
this
unless
we
wanted
to
that.
They
saw
it
since
we're
in
a
more
rural
area
that
sometimes
that's
exempted.
They
didn't
think
it's
a
so
pretty
much
up
to
us
and
they
gave
their
rationale
for
why
they
had
put
that
recommendation
in.
L
The
second
question
was
about
the
provision
of
topo
maps
at
one
foot
contours
and
whether
that
might
be
something
that
would
end
up
being
expensive
or
did
we
need
it
really
at
that
level
of
detail,
and
his
answer
is
that
he
thinks
asking
for
that.
Information
is
really
common,
even
if
it's
residential,
because
you're
looking
at
parking
and
driveways
and
those
things
need
to
be
graded.
L
So
he
didn't
think
that
this
was
an
unusual
thing
to
ask
for
the
third
question
was
related
to
traffic
flow,
that
it
recommends
a
traffic
impact
study
for
a
new
construction
expansion
or
change
of
use.
That
would
generate
more
than
a
hundred
new
vehicular
directional
trips
during
the
peak
hour
of
generation,
and
he
thinks
that
that
has
some
real
validity
and
that
the
100
new
trips
would
be
about
the
equivalent
of
what
you
would
get
from
a
fast-food
restaurant.
What
that
drive-through?
L
L
G
L
I
C
F
B
B
G
D
Think
that
the
model
for
apartments
would
be
the
peak
class
hours
that
oh
you,
for
example,
and
and
I'm
thinking
like
a
courtyard
and
of
course,
part
of
the
way
that
we
mitigated,
that
was
through
the
bus
service
and
that
certainly
has
reduced
the
number
of
cars
that
come
out
of
that
to
substantially
less
than
that.
At
the
peak
hours,
I
mean
there's
more
traffic
for
sure,
but
when
you've
got
a
bus,
that's
crammed
full
of
students
at
8:00
a.m.
you
know
that
they're
not
all
driving
apart
at.
L
D
K
Basically,
it's
just
a
function
of.
Do
we
think
it's
a
large
large
enough
facility
enhancements
it's
very
subjective
at
this
point
we
don't
have
a
you
know.
It's
called
true
standard
and
one
of
the
questions
that
was
running
through
my
mind
as
the
discussion
progressed
is.
If
we
require
the
traffic
study,
then
what
do
we
propose?
We're
going
to
do
with
the
information
and
I
think
that's
the
key
link.
You
know
from
my
perspective.
L
K
B
K
K
J
A
F
K
A
G
F
L
L
So
I
think
we
got
answers
for
the
questions
people
had.
It
has
anything
come
up
in
the
last
that
you've
thought
about
since
the
last
committee
meeting
that
we
need
to
address
before
we
get
this
drafted
into
ordinance
language.
Yes,
no,
okay,
Debbie
and
I
have
an
appointment
to
work
on
this
tomorrow.
Then
so
here
I'm
giving
her
back
the
one
with
the
notes
and.
B
L
Do
penance
we
got
an
email
from
Gary
hunter.
There
was
some.
This
is
around
the
land
development
ordinance
and
how
do
we
make
it
enforceable
that
the
current
language
is
in
the
focus
statement
rather
than
in
the
main
body
of
the
code,
so
Gary
sent
us
suggested
language
to
put
in
Athens
city
code
27001,
rather
than
the
purpose
statement
that
he
believes
would
make
this
enforceable
as
part
of
the
content
of
the
land
development,
ordinance,
comments/questions.
F
L
F
G
C
K
K
C
B
J
Us
I
think
you
have
to
do
a
radical
change
to
your
ordinance,
because,
if
you
look
through
in
the
codebook,
for
example,
under
the
appendices
to
the
land
development
ordinance,
title
27
gives
examples
of
setback
cuts
for
all
slopes.
It
shows
a
cut.
The
slopes,
like
you
know,
was
like
this
and
you're
making
it
like
that
and
how
to
do
calculations
in
a
bit
so
right
in
the
text
of
the
code
shows
cutting
and
altering
hillsides,
and
it
emphasizes
on
in
the
language
as
you
read
through
it,
it
emphasizes
slope.
Stability
is
the
person.
K
B
C
K
So
what
this
means
is
you've
got
to
follow
the
steps
that
are
described
in
the
following
section
of
the
ordinance
and
if
the
sections
in
the
ordinance
don't
support
the
general
purpose
and
scope,
you've
got
to
follow
the
steps
that
are
outlined,
because
that's
the
only
thing
you
have
to
interpret
the
purpose
and
scope,
it's
the
tool
that
you
have
to
make
it
happen.
So
it
has
to
be
clear
and
it
has
to
be
definitive.
K
C
Are
you
sure
that
you
wouldn't
tell
bring
in
a
geotechnical
to
do
this?
Who,
who
would
know
about
the
angle
of
repose
for
sandstone
versus
shale?
Who
would
have
the
notions
necessary
to
do
this?
I
mean
before
they
say?
Well,
we're
gonna
scalp
this
hill
shouldn't?
They
have
consulted
with
somebody
who
knows
what
they're
doing
it
seems
every
time
we.
C
C
K
H
B
C
We
have
people
who
come
in
here
and
drop
lands
on
a
hillside
and
don't
even
know
what
the
heck
is.
Underneath
the
the
bedrock
I
mean
that's
what
I
read
in
earnings
from
Burgess
tonight.
Well,
I
mean
they're
fools
in
a
way
because
they're
they're
setting
up
a
sure
to
fail
system
and
so
up.
You
know
I
personally,
think
well.
Okay,
let's
put
this
in
and
then
let's
modify
it
as
we
go
on,
I
mean
I.
Just
am
tired,
the
scalping
and
the
rest
of
it
going
on,
but.
K
I
B
C
I
I
K
C
Well,
I
think
that
we
can't
do
it
I
mean
we
can
read
it
all.
We
want
the
Planning,
Commission
can
read
it,
they
don't
know,
we
don't
know
I,
think
we
need
somebody
who
knows
what
they're
doing
with
an
expert
in
enforcing
the
law
to
do
it
I
mean
into
writing
law
I
mean
we
can
say
get.
Somebody
was
a
geotechnical
who
does
land
development
law
and
have
them
review
it.
Yes,.
G
C
L
Would
it
make
sense
to
look
at
some
of
the
model,
ordinances
and
ask
verges
and
night
bowls
and
then
some
information,
but
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
are
some
models?
Can
you
help
us
figure
out
how
to
make
this,
be
you
know
clear
and
consistent,
and
you
know
just
they're
the
ones
who
are
going
to
be
reviewing
things
against
it.
It
would
be
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
get
some
input
from
them.
F
B
F
Theory,
you
know
that
the
hill
does,
some
of
these
hills
are
always
going
to
be
unstable,
they're
gonna
be
moving,
but
the
question
is,
you
can
develop
on
and
we're
trying
to
build
stuff
to
make
it.
The
development
is
what
destabilize?
Yes,
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
retention
of
the
shape
of
the
hill
is
more
important
than
development
or
the
other
way
around.
Does
that
make
sense.
Yeah.
C
That's
a
problem,
but
if
you
read
it's
really
only
the
first
part
and
shall
preserve
the
general
shape
size
and
natural
topographic
features
because
she'll
maintain
at
least
the
existing
levels
of
soap.
The
stability
is
already
required.
Isn't
it
and
not
increase
the
potential
for
slope?
Failure
is
required
already
she'll
preserve
at
least
the
existing
capacity
of
water
courses
and
she'll
not
increase
the
potential
for
flooding.
Those
are
all
already
better.
I
C
C
H
L
A
Know
I
would
like
to
interject
something
here
all
joking
aside,
and
this
is
after
a
phone
call
from
a
unnamed
senior
council
member,
that's
been
talking
about
the
length
of
committees
and
how
we
possibly
should
take
a
look
at
AB.
Heavy
committees
meet
on
alternate
committee
weeks,
because
here
we
are
ten
minutes
till
nine
and
we
still
have
on
our
agenda
n
tags,
pork
and
and
Halloween.
B
A
A
Have
no
trouble
with
that.
You
know
there
have
been
times
in
the
past
that
committees
would
meet
at
noon
the
next
day
for
an
hour
hour
and
a
half
there
are
other
ones
displayed
of
bodies
set
to
assign
a
certain
amount
of
time
to
each
subject,
which
is
not
a
bad
idea,
but
with
all
that
said,
transportation,
which
many
great.
H
I
think
that
we
need
to
look
into
doing
something
more
in
providing
parking
for
these
people
on
the
part
of
the
landlords
and
meeting
with
some
people
from
administration
from
the
city
we've
discussed,
requiring
that
landlords
who
do
not
have
adequate
off
street
parking,
possibly
be
responsible
for
purchasing
spots
at
you
know,
offsite
parking
locations
and
having
a
so
many
number
of
parking
spots
correspond
to
the
number
of
renters
they
have
for
their
property.
This
was
just
a
couple
more
things.
This
was
brought
up,
Andy
stone
who
went
to
Ohio
State
University
what
they
had.
H
H
So
if
you
were
down
there
and
the
next
bus
wasn't
coming
for
another,
you
know
20
30
minutes,
you
could
call
it
a
van
or
something
that
could
quickly
come
and
get
you
and
take
you
to
where
you
need
it
to
go
back
to
your
house
or
to
school
or
whoever
it
would
be
so
and
just
you
know,
plenary
discussions
with
trying
to
combat
those
24-hour
parking
issue
where
people
are
being
required
to
move
their
car
every
24
hours.
That
was
just
one
of
the
ideas
that
popped
up.
M
F
D
C
Okay,
well,
what
another
sittin
simpler
and
more
preliminary
thing
would
be
to
require
the
landlords
to
improve
the
parking
in
the
rent
when
it,
when
they're
required
to
provide
it.
I.
Guess
that's
a
revolutionary
concept,
but
if
you're
required
by
law
to
provide
three
spaces
for
three
tenants
in
three
bedrooms,
then
I
think
some
landlords
have
gotten
in
the
habit
of
charging
an
extra
hundred
dollars
a
month
for
the
privilege
of
parking
in
that
spot.
C
A
C
B
H
But
I
walk
sometime
so
just
something
that
I
wanted
to
preserve
pursue
further,
because
I
think
that
the
issue
isn't
so
much
about.
You
know
the
24
hour
regulation
because
I
think
that
that's
appropriate,
but
it's
the
fact
that
people
who
are
renting
from
these
grandfathered
in
properties
or
what-have-you
don't
have
parking.
H
F
Most
of
most
people,
I
talk
to
my
end
of
town
with
with
respect
to
the
Hang
tag
or
24-hour
parking.
Many
of
them
are
full-time
residents,
it's
the
ones
on
brown
and
first
Street
and
Hamlin
in
particular
that
I'm
aware
of
central.
D
F
H
I
mean
this
is
this
is
something
that's
I
mean
it's
gonna
be
very
comprehensive.
You
know.
If
we
do
do
the
offsite
parking,
then
we
will
have
to
work
with
the
busing
system
and
figure
out.
If
it's
going
to
accommodate.
You
know
certain
areas
we'll
have
to
figure
out
which
areas
of
the
city
are
going
to
be
required
to
purchase
or
have
these
off-site
locations.
Where
there's
more
of
a
need,
I
guess
I
mean
it's
like
I'm.
Just
gonna
have
to
work
with
as
far
as
the
geographical
locations,
okay,.
F
C
F
H
F
H
H
C
C
F
F
C
H
So
again
will
to
have
another
meeting.
What
is
that
next
week
on
Tuesday
six
o'clock,
you'll
announce
it
on
Monday
of
next
week?
Yes,
of
course,
also
in
regards
to
the
24-hour
parking
regulation.
I
can't
remember
how
this
came
out.
It
was
a
letter
to
the
editor
or
an
email
or
what,
but
it
was
about
dealing
with
excluding
the
enforcement
of
the
24-hour
on
days
when
the
Athens
city
schools
are
closed
due
to
snow
or
inclement
weather
I.
H
C
C
H
F
I
H
D
You've
left
me
eight
minutes
for
two
items:
okay,
bicycle
racks:
this
is
just
an
update
of.
What's
going
on,
Melissa
did
get
some
information
about
various
mice
referred
by
cracks.
I'll
pass
around
this
one,
just
to
show
you
the
picture,
because
it
looks
like
me,
but
anyway,
the
bike
racks
would
cost
less
than
$1000
each
and
that's
for
a
rack
that
holds
toot
or,
in
some
cases
three
bicycles.
D
The
second
element
of
this
is
that
in
most
cities
that
have
bicycle
racks
on
their
buses,
they
have
written
policies
as
well
and
that's
to
cover
such
things
as
the
biker
is
required
to
load
their
own
bike.
The
bus
driver
is
under
no
circumstances
to
load
the
bike.
For
them,
and
and
remove
it
as
well
and.
D
And
all
of
that
certain
thing
melissa
is
haggardly
emailed
me,
some
sample
policies
which
I
also
forward
to
you,
and
they
will
go
to
the
bicycle
people
as
well,
because
to
cover
all
of
our
buses
would
be
under
six
thousand
dollars.
We
don't
really
need
an
appropriation
ordinance,
but
I
wanted
to
know.
If
council
has
any
problems
with
any
of
this,
you
know
what
you
would
like
to
see.
As
it
comes
back
to
us.
D
D
D
D
Three,
it's
the
$900
model
and
then
private
time
you
get
the
hardware.
D
Did
indeed
on
both
policies
and
the
recs
any
objections
to
having
this
happen?
Okay,
that's
taken
care
of
next
parking
garage
hangtags.
D
This
was
something
that
that
came
from
the
app
town,
business
people
too,
and
especially
from
our
point
of
view,
to
keep
them
from
parking
in
front
of
their
own
establishments
and
taking
some
of
those
precious
parking
places
if
their
customers
might
take.
This
was
a
discussion
to
utilize
the
upper
floors
and
it
would
be
for
the
most,
the
fourth
and
fifth
floors
for
a
hang
tag.
That
is
just
if
you
can
find
a
space
you
can
park
there.
D
A
whole
year
would
be
kind
of
pricey
to
the
business
owner
all
at
once.
So
the
six
months
made
some
level
of
sense
there,
one
once
a
month,
there's
a
lot
of
up
working
and
that
sort
of
thing
paula
is
also
looking
at
the
cost
of
the
hangtags
or
that
and
administration
of
it.
So
we
would
have
some
idea.
D
G
G
L
It's
the
idea
that
you
know
a
business
owner
would
purchase
some
number
of
these
like
two
of
them
and
whichever
employees
were
on
that
shift
to
come
in
grab
the
tag
and
like
use
it.
So
it
wouldn't
have
to
be
one
particular
employee
gets
a
car
exactly.
It
would
be
a
tag
for
that
businesses,
employees
and.
D
D
D
K
K
N
I
I
D
B
C
A
H
D
F
F
C
D
C
I
B
K
B
F
F
K
Generally,
the
fourth
and
fifth
floor,
usually
employee
parking,
mm-hmm
and
for
lower
and
five
lower,
are
usually
pretty
much
full
and
for
upper
and
five
upper
or
empty,
because
you
have
to
walk
down
steps
to
get
the
elevator
from
the
upper
level,
so
they
Park
on
for
lower
and
five
lower,
because
that's
the
elevator
level.
Okay,
so
there's
basically
one
floor
of
employee
parking.
K
J
Gonna
write
this:
if
it's
a
dollar
an
hour
or
50
cents
in
hours
and
right,
eight
hours
is
four
dollars
a
day.
So
eighty
you
know
2021
working
days
in
a
month.
So
that's
why
the
85
is
just
about
the
max.
But
I
would
also
think
that
there
are
other
parking
areas
and
business
people
uptown
Park
in
and
you
ought
to
look
and
see
what
they're
charged
I.
H
H
Okay,
I
am
going
to
have
the
Nina
people
Chris
Paul
and
whoever
else
come
in
and
talk
to
Council
just
about
what
they
went
through
and
what
they
did
and
their
findings
just
a
sort
of
brief
council
on
their
project
and
and
also
probably
know
some
things
from
Andy
in
the
way
of
what
might
be
happening
down
there
and
the
area
in
terms
of
fixing
the
traffic
problem.
So
just
an
announcement
that
they'll
be
coming
to
a
committee
meeting
a
night.
That's
not
filled
with
millions
of
other
things,
and
anybody
else
have
miscellaneous.
G
Kind
of
let
council
know
we'll
be
coming
up.
My
B's
meeting,
Community
Corrections
after
grant.
We
actually
have
an
ordinance
up
for
second
reading
next
Sun
next
Monday
and
I
have
inform
you
that
we'd
be
asking
to
suspend
the
rules
because
in
a
second
Community
Corrections
grant
that
runs
from
July
that
your
lives.
So
we
need
to
have
it
in
place
by
in
by
the
1st
of
July.
Well,
we
just
the
other
day
got
a
request
from
the
Municipal
Court
asking
for
an
ordinance
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
execute
this
rant.
G
B
G
A
G
G
G
J
D
Arts
and
recreation
I'm
passing
some
pachinko
material
around
sorry,
I
read
all
over
one
with
what
I
guess.
I
never
saw
these
papers,
the
the
longer
piece
sobbing
are
taking
steps
to
stop
Halloween
problems.
This
is
nothing
that's
new
in
the
whole
thing,
it's
just
kind
of
recapping,
where
we
are
the
other
one.
D
So
one
of
the
things
I'd
like
to
do
is
take
your
suggestions
of
anything
else
that
might
be
in
that
piece
now.
I
just
wanted
to
run
through
what
I
think
we
need
to
do.
The
gingka
would
like
for
this
to
be
an
ordinance
next
week
and
suspended
on
the
second
reading,
I
think
if
we
are
going
to
fund
a
program
designer
for
this,
it
has
to
be
that
soon.
D
In
order
for
it
to
be
accomplished,
the
position
is
recommended
for
full
time
until
December,
which
is
five
to
five
and
a
half
months
and
then
reevaluate
at
that
time.
For
the
following
year,
figures
have
been
bandied
around
a
bit:
I
felt
that
for
a
five
month,
period,
12
to
16
thousand
was
probably
appropriate.
I
also
think
that
we
need
to.
D
Also,
the
the
establishing
of
the
Advisory
Group
would
be
something
that
would
have
to
be
done
pretty
darn
quickly
and
I.
Certainly
don't
think
that
could
be
the
purview
of
the
person
hired.
It
needs
to
be
a
combination
of
people
and
exactly
how
that
would
be
done.
We
would
have
to
decide
now
supervision
of
the
contract.
This
is
something
that's
been
bandied
about.
D
D
It
would
not
especially
from
a
safety
standpoint
and
from
a
human
resources
within
the
city
standpoint,
as
I've
said
many
times
before,
the
city
from
a
employees
standpoint
is
pretty
well
maxed
out
on
Halloween,
and
so
we
have
to
guard
against
additional
responsibilities
on
that.
The
part
of
the
city
staff,
some
of
the
things
that
I
thought
that
we
should
be
concerned
about,
is
cost
of
the
plan
to
implement
it.
I
mean
it's
going
to
cost
more
than
the
person.
D
D
D
D
D
It
didn't
give
specific
times
and
it
it's
pretty
inclusive
in
terms
of
what's
closed,
so
take
a
look
at
this
and
see
if
this
would
be
okay
and
then
my
final
question
would
be
do
we
want
to
make
any
changes
to
the
vendian
ordinance
and
then
before
we
ask
questions
the
boss
ideas
into
the
pod
I'd
like
to
know
three
would
like
to
add
anything
from
that.
I
just
said
a
lot.
K
K
The
idea
of
trying
to
shift
Halloween
to
a
more
positive
image
in
a
family-friendly
image.
One
of
the
difficulties
we'll
have
is
it's
already
juxtaposed
to
what
the
existing
celebration
is.
So
we're
trying
to
change
that
image.
So
in
the
process
we're
going
to
have
to
maintain
the
safety
concerns
that
we've
that
we've
already
been
through
in
the
past,
to
make
certain
that
we
don't
create
crop
density
issues
and
we
maintain
crowd
flow
and
those
kinds
of
things
and
at
the
same
time,
we
want
to
look
at
something
new
and
different
and
and
more
family-friendly.
K
E
K
One
good
example
is
like
the
boogie
on
the
bricks
that
started
out
as
a
community
initiated
festival
they
put
together
the
plans
they
put
together.
The
financing,
they've
reviewed
security
plans
with
the
city
and
it's
growing
and
creating
its
own
uni.
It
doesn't
have
to
compete
with
an
existing
celebration.
It
is
it's
its
own
celebration
and
it's
projecting
a
positive
image
and
as
it
grows,
if
it
would
get
to
the
size
of
Halloween,
it
would
be
a
positive
event
and
it
would
be
a
community-supported
event
because
it's
starting
that
way.
K
So
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
take
Halloween
and
put
a
new
twist
to
it.
So
we're
we're
more
than
willing
to
try
to
do
that,
because
up
to
this
point,
all
we've
tried
to
do
is
manage
the
safety
issues.
It'd
be
nice.
If
we
had
a
different
type
of
celebration
that
we
could
approach
in
a
different
fashion,
so.
D
G
G
Response
it
needs
someone
to
say
so
charge
of
it
and
we're
not
gonna
do
it.
So
that
means
hiring
someone,
but
my
question
about
hiring
is:
if
we
introduce
this
her
first
reading
next
week,
then
suspend
the
first
meeting
in
July,
then
bye-bye,
the
earliest,
that
some
somebody
would
be
on
board
would
be
early
August.
G
D
The
plan
is
to
look
at
this
year,
but
if
nobody
applies,
were
you
know,
we
don't
have
somebody
that
says.
Oh
I
can
do
this
by
October.
I
can
at
least
get
a
start
on
it
for
this
year
with
the
idea
that
if
it
would
show
what
it
would
look
like
for
the
future
and
and
that's
kind
of
what
I've
heard
from
people
that
at
least
have
toyed
with
the
idea
of
applying
yeah
yeah
yeah,
no
sure
give
it
a
shot.
What
you
pay
us
I
did.
D
D
F
F
This
this
kind
of
dovetails
with
what
Homburg
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
VIP
type,
wrist
tag,
type,
saying
or
type
of
standards,
for,
if
you
buy
into
something
like
this,
wait
personally,
I
want
to
see
something
tried
with
Halloween,
so
I'm
willing
to
give
this
a
shot.
It
sounds
like
the
chain
of
command
would
be
rave,
we'd,
be
doing
safety
stuff
in
the
city
or
in
a
few.
Who
else
would
being
actually.
D
I
didn't
quite
finish
that
line
of
thought
tourism
Page
has
said
that
she
would
would
or
would
not,
whatever
counsel
once
take
some
responsibility
in
terms
of
helping
the
person
and
that
tourism
will
house
them,
so
they
could
have
an
office
at
the
tourism
office,
and
she
said
it.
She
didn't
do
anything
else
that
she
could
still
provide
that
space
if
we
didn't
want
her
directly
involved
with
them.
Helping
the
person
organize.
Okay,.
B
F
L
The
question
about
the
contracts
is
one
of
my
big
issues
with
this
that
both
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
the
Convention
and
Visitor's
Bureau
having
their
scope
of
services
to
work
with
a
citizen
group
that
will
undertake
this
effort,
which
is
another
way
to
approach
it.
Besides
us
paying
someone
to
do
this
and
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
written
in
here
about
how
you
can't
expect
volunteers
to
do
this,
you
have
jobs
and
other
responsibilities,
but
I
believe
that
community
festival
in
Columbus,
which
tens
of
thousands
of
people
attend
boogie
on
the
brakes.
L
The
Pumpkin
Festival
and
you
know
the
International,
Street,
Fair
and
lots
of
other
festivals
are
organized
by
groups
of
people
that
we're
not
paying
or
that
cities
aren't
paying
to
do
that.
Community
festival
actually
raises
enough
money
that
they
pay
the
City
of
Columbus
$36,000
for
off-duty
police
officers
to
provide
security.
They
pay
for
porta-potties
that
clean
everything
up
they
they
take
care
of.
All
of
that
and
they've
raised
additional
money.
So
they've
made
contributions
to
the
Victorian
village.
Association
and
they've
made
improvements
to
go
to
a
park
where
the
festival
happens.
L
They
just
say
in
order
to
get
your
permits,
you
have
to
pay,
however
many
off-duty
police
officers,
we
tell
you
and
you
have
to
clean
up
after
yourselves
and
have
porta-potties,
and
you
know
the
fire
Department
has
somebody
come
through
and
inspect
all
the
tents,
and
you
know
any
expenses
that
the
city
incurs.
The
festival
pays
for
so
I
think
that
it's
totally
possible
for
volunteers
to
run
a
really
big,
complicated
festival
and
I
believe
that
we
told
two
entities
in
their
contract
that
you
shall
do
this.
L
So
we've
already
paid
them
to
organize
a
citizen
group
to
do
this
and
I
haven't
heard
anybody
saying
to
me
that
they
want
the
city
to
spend
more
money
on
Halloween
or
to
own
Halloween
other
than
yeah.
The
page
coming
and
providing
that
report
saying
that
we
should
own
Halloween
I,
haven't
no
constituents
have
told
me
that
they
want
us
to
do
this.
So
I
have
a
lot
of
concerns
about
it.
I.
D
Have
concerns
about
tourism
and
the
the
chamber
being
asked
to
do
the
level
that
you're
talking
about
there
there's
a
big
difference
in
working
with
the
committee
which
they
would
do
with
this
process.
They
would
work
with
the
organizational
committee
and
it
becoming
a
major
part
of
their
contracts,
and
that's
the
service
that
we
get.
Okay,
you
have
Halloween,
that's
it
there's
no
way
and
as
as
the
tourism
people
have
pointed
out
repeatedly,
they
are
not
planners.
They
are
promoters
and
they're
willing
to
do
that.
D
Part
of
it
and
and
very
anxious
to
help
in
any
way
they
can,
but
not
be
the
volunteers
that
run
the
thing
now.
One
of
our
problems
is
that
we
already
have
this
creature
called
Halloween
and
we're
trying
to
organize
it.
After
the
fact,
it
makes
it
a
bit
different
than
a
community
born
project
that,
like
bogie
and
the
bricks
that
comes
from
an
effort
within
community
for
an
event
that
they
would
like
to
have
I
think
there
are
two
very
different
animals
from
my
personal
standpoint.
D
H
Whatever
decisions
are
being
made,
I
mean
I.
Don't
certainly
think
that
this
is
a
bad
idea,
I'm
kind
of
on
the
same
page
at
Pallas
and
just
wanting
to
try
something,
but
at
what
cost?
I
don't
know.
I'm
I'm
also,
you
know,
with
Debbie
on
the
contest
and
I've
been
up
there
for
the
past
three
years
and
the
mouthfeel
that
they
bring
out
to
that
festival,
just
the
kind
of
things
that
they
have
going
on,
something
that
I
would
really
like
to
see
our
Halloween
turn
into
week
and
I
think
it's
a
great
event.
L
More
than
25
years
old
and
the
guy
who
runs
the
beer
booth
lives
in
Athens
County
and
is
totally
willing
to
help
yes,
so
the
other
thing
you
mentioned,
that
I
would
say
is
if
it
looks
like
we're
going
down
this
road
I.
Don't
at
this
point,
support
this
particular
proposal.
But
if
this
is
what
moves
forward,
you
mentioned
that
the
money
will
come
out
of
general
revenue
fund
and
I
would
strongly
oppose
that.
L
D
What
about
Paul
put
on
the
the
ordinance
for
the
street
clothing
and
we
discussed
this
previously?
Do
we
want
to
extend
it
all
the
way
to
Marbury
instead
of
President,
Street
and
Ray
pointed
out
to
us
that
if
it
said
mulberry
that
we
could
use
whatever
portion,
then
we
we
felt
was
appropriate
and
if
we
wouldn't
have
to
go
down
tomorrow,
but
essentially
it's
closed
there
anyway,
right
yeah.
F
Something
feel
like
part
of
thing
is
I
find
again.
This
needs
to
change
somehow
I'm,
not
an
enamored,
with
spending
more
money
for
it.
But
if
it's
necessary
to
have
it
safe
or
change,
it
and
I
know,
but
jinkers
been
pushing
for
the
getting
a
you
know.
Halloween's
are
or
something-
and
this
is
an
opportunity
to
try
that
for
these
once
or
twice
whatever
it
takes.
L
Yep
one
other
thought:
some
fundraising:
contracts
have
like
a
base,
pay
amount
and
incentive
pay
amount
right,
I
mean
I.
Think
I
might
be
a
little
bit
more
open
to
this.
If
the
the
fact
that
this
person
is
going
out
and
getting
sponsorships
and
getting
donations,
if
there's,
if
there
is
something
that
they
get,
maybe
some
base
pay
amount
and
then
another
level
of
pay
if
they
bring
in
enough
money
to
cover
X
rents
that
we
face.
We.
K
So
the
idea,
then,
would
be
you'd
have
people
from
other
community
organizations
involved
in
that
management,
executive
committee
or
whatever,
who
report
to
that
person,
and
that
in
that
way,
you'd
have
something
that
would
you
know
a
group
that
would
be
responsible
for
organizing
and
executing
and
then
basically
all
our
function
would
be
is
to.
As
you
say,
you
need
how
many
security
people
and
here's
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
you
to
execute
that.
D
And
if
an
Events
Committee
worked
and
revenue
came
into
the
city
and
paid
for
some
of
these
things
to
me,
it's
fairly
irrelevant.
Rather
that
initial
person
is
paid
or
unpaid,
it'd
be
nice
if
they
were
unpaid,
but
I
I've
not
seen
anyone
come
forward
and
say:
I
would
like
to
organize
Halloween
get
the
sponsors,
take
all
the
responsibility,
and
please
don't
pay
me
I've
not
seen
that
person.
Yet
okay,
I'll
attempt
to
put
something
together
for
next
Monday,
then
and
I-
know
changes
on
the
pending
this
I.
Don't.
D
F
F
Pretty
much
he
pulled
off
what
we
had
from
the
New
York
reference
there
I'm
not
sure
he
does
have
a
definition
of
the
gutter
area,
which
is
eighteen
inches,
which
I
think
is
good,
did
I
give
you
enough
there.
Okay,
he
actually
has
section
in
there,
which
is
duplication
of
the
New
York
thing
where
the
routing
in
terms
of
whether,
when
the
violation
is
going
to
occur,
but
that
exact
means
that
we'll
have
to
get
some
cleaning
daily
between
certain
times.
I
want
to
look
at
this
and
think
if
we
want
to
put
this,
what.
C
F
A
New
York
term,
I
guess
yeah,
we'll
have
to
look
that
up.
So
it's
obviously
not
ready.
Since
we
don't
want
put
dentistry
could
be
the
strips
in
between
the
roads,
I
landscaping,
Highlands
I
shall
find
out,
but
I
said
I'm,
not
sure
if
it's
ready
to
play
yet,
but
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
that
it's
gone
through
the
law
directors
for.
G
J
J
B
J
J
I'm
just
saying
that
the
wording
is
such
that
it's,
it
says,
picked
up
and
deposited
in
suitable
containers
for
collection.
Well,
right
now
we're
ours
doesn't
talk
about
how
you
sleep.
A
sidewalk
I
mean
it's
people,
some
people
sweep
this
I
walk
into
the
street
just
like
they
do
with
snow,
which
is
another
section
of
our
ordinance.
That
says
you
are
allowed
to
put
the
snow
when
you're
shoveling
your
sidewalk
into
the
street
same
thing
with
grass
clippings.