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A
B
You,
the
first
thing
in
our
agenda,
is
presentation
and
some
recommendations
from
the
floodplain
task
force.
This
is
a
group.
That's
been
meeting
for
what
eight
or
nine
months
at
least
we've
had
Elaine
gets
who's
been
working
for
City
Council
to
help
us
review
our
floodplain
regulations
and
look
into
recommended
improvements
in
those,
so
that
we'll
be
prepared
for
map
modernization
when
that
comes
through,
and
so
that
we
can
work
toward
enrolling
in
the
community
rating
system.
We
also
have
several
members
of
the
the
task
force
here
tonight
to
help
with
the
presentation.
B
C
C
This
is
the
list
of
members
of
our
floodplain
regulations,
task
task
force,
I'm,
not
gonna,
go
through
all
the
names,
but
I
want
you
to
note
that
there
are
many
people
from
many
different
sectors
of
Athens.
We
have
government
officials,
home
owners,
business
owners,
university
representatives
etc.
So
this
was
a
collaborative
effort
between
many
people
with
many
different
perspectives,
and
it
was
a
great
group.
C
We
worked
hard
looking
at
this
complicated
issue,
but
I
think,
with
a
few
exceptions,
were
pretty
pleased
with
with
the
recommendations
that
we're
going
to
make
tonight
so
the
goals
of
the
prism.
The
presentation
is
to
explain
why
we
need
to
update
our
flipping
regulations
and
then
to
introduce
our
recommendations.
C
Okay,
so
why
are
how
your
standards
needed?
This
is
I'll,
just
briefly
go
through
these
and
then
I'll
talk
about
them
in
a
little
more
detail.
First
of
all,
with
our
current
regulations,
we're
actually
allowing
for
increases
in
future
flood
damages
and
Athens,
and
we
also
are
unprepared
for
for
flooding.
I'll
talk
about
these
a
little
bit
more
in
a
minute.
C
Secondly,
the
probability
of
flooding
is
higher
than
I.
Think
people
have
thought
there
has
been
the
perception
that,
once
the
river
was
reaching
analyzed,
we
were
protected
from
the
most
flooding.
This
doesn't
appear
to
be
the
case,
and
finally,
this
is
a
good
time
in
terms
of
some
current
federal
programs.
There's
the
community
rating
system
and
map
modernization
and
I'll
talk
more
about
them
later,
but
these
add
some
incentives
for
us
to
adopt
these
regulations
at
this
time.
So
I'm
going
to
give
you
a
really
brief
history
of
floodplain
management
in
the
u.s.
C
just
because
I
think
it'll
give
you
some
context
from
the
1860s
to
the
1960s.
They
call
it
the
era
of
structural
controls
and
this
in
general,
we
tried
to
control
flooding
with
man-made
structures
with
dams
and
levees
and
reach
analyzing
rivers
like
we
did
here
in
Athens,
but
by
the
1960s.
They
were
realizing
that
this
oftentimes
led
to
greater
flood
damages
than
before.
There
were
structural
controls
because
it
led
to
a
false
sense
of
security.
C
Man-Made
structural
controls
oftentimes
in
fact
always
eventually
fail,
and
if
development
had
gone
in
in
places
that
used
to
flood
and
people
put
them
there
thinking
they
were
gonna
flood
and
then,
when
the
structure
controlled
failed
them,
there
was
a
lot
more
damages
due
to
the
structural
control
being
built.
So
by
1968,
the
government
decided
to
start
a
program.
C
The
National
Flood
Insurance
Program,
and
the
goal
of
this
was
actually
to
discourage
development
in
the
floodplain
through
regulations,
and
the
goal
was
also
that
the
premiums
from
the
National
Flood
Insurance
Program
would
cover
the
damages
from
flooding.
Unfortunately,
neither
of
these
goals
were
quite
met.
The
National
Flood
Insurance
Program
has
been
a
success
in
some
ways,
but
some
of
the
regulations
actually
allow
for
flooding
damages
to
increase
and
and
the
premiums
have
never
they've
collected,
have
never
been
enough
to
cover
flooding
damages.
C
So
in
1994
the
federal
government
tried
to
change
its
emphasis
and
add
on
another
program
and
that
they
wanted
to
emphasize
Hazard
Mitigation
and
one
of
the
things
they
wanted
to
emphasize,
and
this
is
removing
the
structures
from
flood
plains.
In
fact,
I
think
they've
tried
to
pass
some
litigations
saying
that
the
ephah
structure
is
repeatedly
damaged.
Then
they
wanted
it
to
be
mandatory,
that
it
would
be
removed
because
it's
cheaper
for
them
to
remove
structures
and
pay
for
the
owner
to
relocate
it
somewhere
else
than
it
is
to
to
take
to
keep.
D
C
It
so,
but
that
no
legislation
has
actually
been
passed,
doing
that,
but
there's
also
a
voluntary
program
called
the
community
rating
system
that
hoping
to
enroll
in
switch
to
this.
If
this
is
a
voluntary
federal
incentive
program
to
encourage,
got
good
floodplain
management
and
to
prevent
increasing
flood
damages
in
this
program,
the
reward
for
enrolling
in
it
is
that
insurance
premiums
are
reduced
by
increments
of
five
percent
for
each
class
achieved.
She
started
at
a
class
ten.
C
You
work
your
way
down
to
class
one
and
in
Athens,
collectively
insurance
premiums
of
about
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
are
paid
each
year.
So
if
Athens
was
to
achieve
a
class
eight
in
the
community
rating
system,
it
would
save
collectively
again
citizens
of
Athens
thirty
thousand
dollars
every
year
on
their
flood
insurance
premiums.
So
this
is
a
nice
benefit,
but
the
biggest
benefit
of
the
community
rating
system
is
that
it's
working
to
prevent
increasing
flood
damages.
C
So
the
CRS
gives
credit
for
public
information
programs
for
better
mapping
and
for
stronger
regulations,
which
is
first,
what
we're
recommending
tonight
comes
in
and
for
flood
damage
reduction
programs
and
for
flood
preparedness
programs.
So
I
was
hoping
that
Michael
Hughes
would
be
here
tonight
to
give
us
an
update.
C
Our
task
force
I,
worked
with
L
guard
to
look
at
all
the
data
that
we
have
on
the
floodplain
and
on
the
river
and
on
flooding
in
Athens,
and
he
has
a
report
that
he's
given
to
the
mayor
and
he
was
going
to
try
to
come
and
present
some
of
that.
But
since
he's
not
here,
I'll
try
to
do
this
quickly
and
would
have
been
nicer
to
hear
straight
for
them.
He's
a
blue
BL,
geomorphologist
who's,
really
an
expert
in
the
field,
but
I'll
summarize
this
anyway.
So
are
we
going
to
flood?
C
Yes,
we
are
going
to
flood
here
in
Athens
sometime.
When
will
it
flood?
We
don't
know
you
can
never
predict
such
things,
but
recently
we
had
flooding
damage
when
we
headed
18
thousand
eight
hundred
feet
per
second
peak
flow
in
the
hacking
River.
The
reach
analyzation
project
was
designed
to
handle
a
peak
flow
of
33,000
cubic
feet
per
second,
so
this
is
obviously
the
design
if
the
rivers
is
no
longer
working
than
it
was
supposed
to
it's
no
longer
holding.
C
It
holds
only
a
little
bit
more
than
half
of
what
it
was
designed
to
hold
the
eighteen
thousand.
Eight
eight
hundred
cubic
feet
per
second
is
less
than
a
ten-year
flooding
event,
which
means
that
there's
going
to
be
greater
than
a
ten
percent
chance
of
this
occurring
in
any
given
year.
So
how
much
will
be
damaged?
That'll
depend
on
how
much
water
comes
down
the
river,
which
no
one
knows
whether
that
will
increase
or
decrease
it's
been
low.
C
If
we
had
a
hundred
year,
flood
30%
of
the
land
area
of
Athens
would
be
inundated
and
approximately
20%
of
28%
of
the
structures
and
Athens
would
be
damaged
and
they'd
be
244
million
dollars
of
damages
from
the
hundred-year
flood.
Now
this
is
the
extreme
case.
We're
really
more
interested
in
the
lower
event,
but
we
don't
have
data
for
that.
So
flooding
is
the
most
probable
natural
hazard
risk
for
Athens.
It's
a
personally
30
million
number
natural
hazard
risk.
So
this
is
this
is
something
we
really
need
to
be.
Paying
attention
to.
C
Flooding
is
a
serious
issue
for
Athens.
This
is
just
a
quick
visual
for
you.
It
shows
all
the
dots
show
structures
that
are
within
our
hundred
year.
Flood
plain
you
can
see,
there's
a
lot
of
them,
there's
a
high
concentration
in
the
Near
East
and
the
Far
East,
and,
up
to
this
point,
this
map
is
a
little
bit
old,
but
you
can
see
that
right
along
the
river,
we're
doing
a
little
better
at
keeping
structures
out
of
the
highest
risk.
C
Park
and
that's
another
thing
that
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute
that
we're
trying
to
address.
With
these
dated
regulations
for
mapping,
we've
been
looking
a
lot
of
different
kinds
of
maps
in
terms
of
these
regulations
that
were
that
we're
recommending
the
current
approved
FEMA
map.
That's
discussed
in
the
regulations
is
still
the
1980
map
and
it
has
a
flood
way
a
hundred
year
and
a
500-year
floodplain.
C
The
map,
modernization
process
that
Debbie
mentioned
is
a
federal
program.
It's
to
digitize
all
maps
in
the
United
States,
all
flood
plain,
Maps
and
Athens
is
currently
just
beginning
this
process
they
had
their
scoping
meeting
where
they
collected
all
the
data
this
summer
and
within
the
next
two
years
will
be.
C
We
will
be
given
a
map
by
through
this
process
and
we
will
be
required
to
adopt
that
map
and
to
have
our
regulations
updated
and
approved
by
ODNR
at
that
point,
so
that,
as
I
mentioned
before,
this
is
good
timing
for
updating
or
regulations,
because
we
will
have
to
update
them
and
have
ODNR
looks
through
them
in
improve
them.
What's
that
modernization
occurs
and
if
we
don't
update
our
regulations
and
and
adopt
the
map,
we
will
not
be
on
just
in
their
FIP.
C
We
decided
that
we
needed
some,
some
more
detailed
maps
maps
the
head,
some
of
the
higher
aspersions
of
the
floodplains
mapped
out,
and
we
wanted
to
look
at
50-year
and
20-year
flood
clean
boundaries.
I
have
some
some
of
those
maps
to
show
you
we're
still
having
a
few
glitches
with
them,
so
they're
not
complete
but
anyway,
but
we'd
like
to
try
to
adopt
these
higher
standards
within
those
higher
risk
areas.
C
C
Flood
plain-
and
this
one
is
our
current
100-year
I
mean
our
current
flood
way
map
and,
and
then
this
is
a
planning
map
that
we've
that
we've
created
it's
a
twenty
years,
my
plane
using
2002
topographic
data
and
2002
hydrology
from
the
Army
Corps
I'm
I'm,
not
I,
didn't
give
this
to
you
because
I'm
not
positive
that
it
properly
reflects
all
her
data.
At
this
point-
and
this
is
a
fifty
year-
flood
plain-
this
was
using
1980
hydrology
in
2002,
topography
and
I.
C
Don't
think
we
have
time
to
discuss
the
reasons
for
that
difference
now,
but
I'm
just
showing
you
some
of
the
maps
we've
created.
So
this
was
the
purpose
of
our
floodplain
regulations
task
force.
We
were
to
present
recommendations
to
City
Council
for
changes
in
their
Athens
City
floodplain
regulations,
and
we
wanted
to
make
these
recommendations
within
the
context
of
the
city,
comprehensive
plan,
the
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan
and
then
three
source
documents
that
contain
recommendations.
C
One
is
the
no
adverse
impact
toolkit
from
the
association
of
state
floodplain
managers.
That's
a
professional
National
Association
of
floodplain
managers
from
the
Ohio
floodplain
regulation
criteria.
That's
an
OD
in
our
document
they
put
out
every
year
and
FEMA
community
rating
system
for
teenagers
manual,
which
is
this
big
document.
So
all
of
those
three
documents
have
recommendations
for
how
to
update
your
floodplain
regulations
to
prevent
increasing
flood
damages
on
your
foot
on
your
floodplains.
C
So
the
the
third
page
on
here
are
the
ones
that
we
are
not
suggesting
that
we
adopt
the
first
two
pages
are
once
in
well.
Let
me
say
the
fourth
page
has
one
that
we
did
not
have
enough
information
to
make
a
decision
on,
but
the
first
two
pages
in
the
pretty
colors
are
our
recommendations.
Most
of
them
are
in
an
alternative
form
from
how
FEMA
or
ODNR
suggested
them,
because,
again
of
our
unique
geography
here
in
Athens
and
but
they're
in
seven
different
areas,
the
pink
ones
are
ones
to
prevent.
C
New
development
in
areas
of
high
risk,
and
mostly
these
are
just
in
the
floodway
and/or,
the
20-year
floodplain
again
I
didn't
probably
did
define
this
a
20-year.
Floodplain
is
the
area
in
which
flooding
there's
a
5%
chance
in
any
given
year
that
you
will
have
flooding
in
that
area.
So
it's
you
know,
that's
a
fairly
substantial
risk.
C
The
green
one
is
protecting
new
developments.
The
blue
one
is
preventing
water
displacement
on
existing
structures.
The
next
page
has
a
sort
of
a
yellowish
orange
one
that
says
safety.
This
is
I'm
going
to
come
in
on
this
one
I'm
not
going
to
talk
about
the
rest
of
them,
because
we
don't
really
have
time,
but
in
Athens
I
mentioned.
One
of
the
reasons
for
looking
at
these
adopting
new
regulations
at
this
point
is
is
because
we're
not
really
prepared
for
flooding.
C
Currently,
we
have
many
critical
facilities
on
high-risk
areas
of
the
floodplain
and
those
do
not
have
access.
So
if
we
had
flooding
our
hospitals
or
emergency
shelters
or
wastewater
treatment
plan
or
water
treatment
facility,
all
of
those
would
be
surrounded,
they
wouldn't
necessarily
be
inundated,
but
there
would
be
no
getting
into
or
out
of
them,
and
that
puts
us
that
are
really
in
a
really
dangerous
situation.
C
So,
that's
that's
very
briefly
our
what
what
our
task
force
is
done
and
it's
I
have.
This
is
a
recommendations
document
that
has
a
lot
more
detail
about
the
recommendations.
What
we're
specifically
recommending
some
are
mapping
some
responses
from
other
community
members.
We've
talked
to
the
hospital
about
how
this
will
affect
them
in
the
university
and
while
there
are
some
concerns
from
other
groups,
I
think
we've
been
able
to
work
work
out
some
some
reasonable
compromising
skin
these
recommendations.
C
E
E
C
C
C
D
F
C
F
F
C
F
F
F
C
F
I
guess
the
reason
why
I
was
asking
is
that
it
was
I
thought
that
was
a
good
modeling
system
to
find
out
what
the
impact
would
be,
the
way
I
understood
if
they
were
going
to
be
using
it
as
a
tool
to
look
and
say.
Okay,
if
we
expect
a
flood
range
of
this
amount,
we
can
we
can
figure
out
which
things
get
a
you
know,
evacuated
which
gets
sandbag,
etc,
etc.
Is
that
something
that
we
would
have
to?
We
should
think
about?
Is
our
own
system
in
a.
G
F
E
F
F
C
B
I'll
go
ahead
and
add
or
ask
Mike,
maybe
if
he
wants
to
add
a
little
bit.
Just
as
an
illustration
of
you
know
some
of
the
process
that
the
task
force
went
through
when
we
were
talking
about
fill
limits
and
weather
in
the
area
where
there's
a
greater
risk
of
flooding,
a
more
frequent
risk
of
risk
of
flooding
limiting
fill
so
that
we
won't
be
displacing
water
on
to
other
folks-
and
you
know,
Mike
actually
looked
at
evaluated
some
individual
sites
to
see.
Would
there
still
be
a
buildable
area
on
the
site?
H
Think
being
an
architect,
I
was
somewhat
concerned
about
what
the
overall
would
effect
would
be
for
our
profession
as
a
whole
in
the
city
and
whether
we
could
work
with
the
ordinances
as
being
developed.
So
I
took
a
look
at
several
different
sites
on
East,
8th
Street,
since
that
is
the
prime
development
area
that
exists
in
Athens,
and
one
of
them
was
the
Columbia
Gas
site,
which
is
you
look?
What's
there?
H
If
I'm
correct
on
that
and
anything
less
than
a
20
year,
flood
within
that
point
would
be
a
replacement
fill
fulfill.
One
of
the
discussions
we
got
into
also
was
issue
of.
Okay
is
putting
a
parking
lot
in
fill
well
technically.
It
is
because
you're
bringing
in
roughly
a
foot
of
gravel
and
asphalt
to
build
a
parking
lot,
so
we
got
into
those
discussions
also
well.
H
There's,
for
example,
is
Casa.
A
pezzi
Mexican
restaurant
out
on
East
8th
Street
has
a
very
small
lot
next
to
it.
If
they
were
to
sell
that
lot
off
and
put
in
another
use
of
small
office
building
or
something
because
that's
about
as
big
as
of
a
lot
that
you
could
get
by
with
a
lot
like
that,
would
have
some
little
bit
of
difficulty
of
meeting
the
ordinance
with
that,
because
they
are
right
at
the
20-year
foot
at
that
location
and
now
they're
about
a
half
a
foot
below
it.
H
B
We
did
in
those
discussions,
really
try
to
talk
about
not
only
fill
limits,
but
the
whole
notion
of
compensatory
storage.
So
if
you
are
gonna
use,
fill
in
an
area,
that's
likely
to
flood,
you
take
it
from
somewhere
else
on
the
site,
so
that
you're
not
displacing
water
and
the
the
more
detailed
document
really
captures
the
discussion
kind
of
where
those
recommendations
came
from
in
the
different
documents.
And
then
we
got
down
to
the
point
of
you
know
specific
recommendations
for
changes
in
our
ordinances
and
we're
checking
with
ODNR
about
the
exact
process.
C
Odnr
is
very
backed
up
with
the
map
modernization
fraud
process
because
they
have
to
for
every
area
that
is
has
a
new
map.
They
have
to
review
all
of
their
flight
line
ordinances
and
they
have
to
do
it
within
a
very
specific
time
frame.
Otherwise
that
community
will
be
kicked
out
of
the
National
Flood
Insurance
Program,
so
they're
not
really
responding
very
quickly
just
to.
C
To
some
of
these
questions,
we've
had
for
them
because
they're
really
busy
making
sure
that
these
communities
and
when
our
turn
comes,
they
will
be
focusing
on
us
as
well,
but
for
now
they're
I
think
they
have
to
review
our
ordinance
as
any
changes
we
make
in
floodplain
regulations,
but
they
don't
have
to
review
it
before
the
City
Council
would
make
a
decision
on
it.
Okay,.
I
It
was
amazing,
these
guys
are
awesome,
it's
totally
above
me,
but
my
my
big
thing
was
when
we
started
thinking
about
it
and
talking
about
emergency
egress
from
my
neighborhood
I
like
bullet,
you
know,
Red
Cross
has
gone.
Oh
blindness
is
gone
even
up
in
Nelsonville
the
low-lying
areas
passed.
Nelson
have
passed
the
Sunoco
there
that
always
floods
like
that.
That's
gone
so
you
know
egress
to
Columbus's.
D
I
Is
gone,
it's
amazing
how
how
much
of
a
little
sluice
were
in
here,
and
it's
just
that
that's
worrisome
for
me.
It's
just
I,
don't
know
how
many
safety
plans
there
are
in
the
city
about
that,
but
talk
to
some
of
the
old-timers
on
my
street
and
there
they
were
talking
about.
You
know
people
bringing
in
vast
boats
and
stuff.
You
know
trying
to
get
people
out.
That
was
that
was
a
very
enlightening
mm-hmm.
F
This
the
concept
of
a
borrow
pit
to
to
release
some
of
the
flooding
area,
I,
guess
the
question
I
had
these
have
to
be
maintained
in
theory,
they
would
flood
regularly
and
be
silting
as
well
ventually
right,
so
that
we
is
that
a
maintenance
thing
that
you
have
to
think
about
and
the
I
guess.
The
other
question
you
were
talking
about
the
hydrology
from
different
times
and
places
and
I
think
the
trend
has
been
we're.
Getting
drier.
Is
that
right.
C
J
C
C
Think
maybe
I
should
add
something
into
because
the
chamber
is
not
represented
here.
I
like
that,
you
don't
have
Jennifer
or
Larry
right.
Their
biggest
concern
about
these
was
that
the
maps
beef
be
final
before
we
pass
recommendations,
but
our
map
modernization
process
won't
be
final
until
they
they
would
like
to
see
a
map
for
sure.
C
B
To
mention
what
is
one
other
thing
about
the
maps
and
then
I
see
bill
the
the
map.
Modernization
will
be
digitizing,
the
maps
that
exist
and
if
there's
new
data,
that
they
can,
that
FEMA
considers
reliable.
They
will
incorporate
that
into
that
process,
but
they
will
not
be
including
the
20-year
in
the
fifty
year.
We're
talking
about
doing
that
and
local
communities
can
have
more
detailed
maps
to
refer
to
in
their
higher
standards.
B
A
A
Fans
telling
me
that
my
dog
can
boat
was
ready
to
break
away
of
which
it
dead
and
went
20-some
miles
downstream
to
be
caulked
at
the
John
Gavin
plant
down
in
Gallup
place,
and
this
is
from
racing
unbelievable
mess,
and
it
happens
overnight
and
the
12
hours
that
you
may
have.
The
conditions
are
not
such
that
you
can
really
effectively
do
much
I
mean
if
you're
talking
about
evacuation
during
those
12
hours
that
you
may
have
the
downpours
and
everything
are
really
horrific.
A
At
least
it
was
during
that
time
and
one
other
comment
of
to
a
little
bit
because
of
that
I
insisted
that
we
build
the
new
nursing
homes
so
that
the
entryway
and
exit
is
out
of
the
floodplain.
So
we
are
always
out
of
the
hundred
year
flood
plain,
but
it's
only
out
of
it
by
a
foot
and
a
half
about
two
feet.
So
you
know
certainly
isn't
going
to
be
like
of
lentes.
That
is
going
to
be
of
no
access
to
the
community,
but
we
would
be
able
to
affect
a
evacuation.
J
A
Trip
down
to
Gallup
lists
and
to
stand
in
there,
what
do
you
call
or
the
bandstand
and
everything
is
at
Downton
Park?
You
will
see
a
plight
standing
there.
That
shows
exactly
how
high
the
floods
have
come,
and
you
know
the
one
that
generation
before
me
always
talented
was
the
seven
year
flood.
My
father,
you
know
always
talked
about
that.
One
well
I
was
amazed
to
see
that
the
1911
1913
and
the
1937
flood
was
probably
within
six
inches
of
each
other
on
that
pipe
where
it
is
marked
there.
A
So
it
is
not
one
time
in
a
hundred
years
it
could
be
20
times
in
a
hundred
years.
So
you
know
you
have
a
lot
of
Sun
standard
and
I
know.
A
lot
of
people
are
going
to
probably
try
to
say
this
is
anti-development
or
something
but
boy
until
you've
lived
through
it.
You
would
not
want
to
do
it
twice.
It
is
horrific.
It's
terrifying,
watching
a
home
I
thought
that
one
was
going
to
go
down.
The
river
is
pretty
heart-wrenching,
so
don't
sort
of
the
comments
I
have
to
make.
G
C
D
B
B
So
I
just
really
really
appreciate
the
incredible
amount
of
work
and
time
and
consideration
and
patience
that
everyone
on
the
task
force
has
has
put
into
this
process
because
it
it
really
got
into
some
very
detailed,
very
long
discussions
and
I
think
that
the
recommendations
are
solid
as
a
result.
So
thank
you
Elaine
and
everyone
on
the
task
force.
F
B
We'll
be
bringing
forward
these
recommendations
as
we've
got
the
language
ready
to
go,
and
then
Elaine
will
be
on
to
working
with
Steve
on
getting
us
enrolled
in
the
community
rating
system.
So
hopefully
there
we
have
some
higher
standards
in
place
now
and
get
even
getting
the
application
underway.
We
can
probably
get
qualified
pretty
quickly
for
at
least
one
of
the
Steve.
B
Item
on
our
agenda
is
a
request
for
a
revocable
license
for
a
fence
at
66
Maplewood,
and
are
you
mister?
Well,
sir?
Okay?
So
if
you
want
to
come,
either
sit
at
one
of
the
tables
or
come
up
to
the
podium,
so
people
who
are
watching
on
TV
can
hear
you
yeah.
That's
fine
folks
got
a
memo,
I
believe
about
this
last
week,
there's
a
fence:
that's
been
partially
constructed
and
they're
now
seeking
a
revocable
license
because
it's
in
the
right-of-way.
B
K
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
apologize
for
having
half
a
fence
out,
I,
didn't
not
not
being
a
long-standing
homeowner,
I,
didn't
know
how
these
processes
work,
so
I
apologize
for
ending
up
here
under
these
circumstances,
but
in
that
it's
been,
it's
been
a
great
learning
experience
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
terms
of
learning
is
to
be
posted
on
the
notice
one
of
the
ones
that's
in
the
packet
on
the
fence,
along
with
about
fifteen
or
sixteen
copies
for
people
to
take
home
and
within
about
a
week
and
a
half
they'd
all
been
taken
home,
which
we
thought
was
good
evidence
that
people
were
interested
in
understanding.
K
What
we
were
hoping
to
do
so
I
have
about
four
or
five
as
kind
of
issues
I'd
like
to
talk
about
briefly
in
terms
of
what
our
thinking
and
planning
offense
will
fall
and
from
the
designing
of
fence
and
basically,
what
we've
we
we
try
to
do.
Is
we
try
to
strike
a
balance
between
a
number
of
things?
One
would
be
the
interest
of
pedestrians
and
vehicles
passing
that
corner.
K
A
next
would
be
a
safety
of
children,
both
our
own
children
and
children,
from
the
neighborhood
that
we
play
and
in
our
yard
and
aesthetics
and
landscaping,
and
then
also
creating
a
family
living
space.
That's
outdoors,
it's
kind
of
a
long-standing
fish
in
our
family
to
use
the
outdoors
as
a
place
to
interact
with
friends
and
neighbors,
and
finally,
we
also
wanted
to
make
a
design
that
we
thought
was
in
keeping
with
the
architectural
style
of
the
building
and
the
precedents
for
small-town
USA.
K
As
a
we
were
trying
to
look
for
a
nice
nice
fence
that
we
thought
was
consistent
with
that.
Okay,
so
in
terms
of
the
vehicles
and
pedestrians
on
the
front
corner
of
the
lot
across
the
entire
front
on
make
wood
and
as
well
as
I,
believe
about
20
feet
back
onto
why
the
type
of
offense
in
between
30
and
36
inches.
K
Also,
the
defense,
through
the
entire
range,
is
an
open
design,
as
you
can
see
from
the
photos
that
we
included
has
a
lattice
on
top
eight
inches
of
space,
I
believe
in
the
shorter
version
and
the
taller
version
on
the
inside
of
a
lot
on
this.
A
foot
and
then
also
the
the
slots
on
the
bottom
are
separated
by
a
space
of
about
two
or
two-and-a-half
inches
and.
D
K
You
can
actually
see
through
the
fence
quite
well
I'm
at
a
45
degree
angle,
and
another
concern
was
that
we
wanted
it
to
be
set
back
from
the
sidewalk,
so
that
pedestrians,
when
people
are
walking
along
the
sidewalk,
would
have
space
to
move
around
would
not
feel
crowded
onto
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk,
and
so
it's
set
back
I
think
at
least
four
feet
on
the
one
side
more
than
that
on
the
front,
but
also
the
fence
follows
a
natural
contour
and
a
lot.
A
lot
is
not
flat.
K
It's
raised
up
a
bit
from
the
street
level
and
the
ground
raises
up
to
it,
and
so
it
follows
kind
of
the
edge
of
that
raised
area.
You'll
find
that
if
you
go
and
take
a
look,
if
you,
if
you
legally
stop
and
a
vehicle
at
the
stop
signs
in
the
corner,
the
fence
does
not
obstruct
your
vision,
at
least
in
our
van.
It
doesn't
I
guess.
If
you
had
like
in
1970s
Cadillac,
you
might
be
set
back
far
enough
that
you
would
not
see
but
I'm
sure
the
great
majority
of
vehicles.
K
If
you
pull
up
and
stop
at
the
stop
sign,
the
fence
is
not
actually
blocking
your
view
of
the
road
and
also
I
checked
my
line.
I
have
some
photos
that
are
in
the
packet
about
backing
from
the
driveway
and
that,
while
the
vehicle
is
not
yet
in
the
road,
you
can
see
fully
down
both
sides
of
the
block.
K
Okay,
so
on
my
next
issue,
I'm
after
vehicles
and
pedestrians
is
safety
of
children.
We
have
two
young
daughters
and
both
very
active
and
like
to
have
fun's
over
and
like
to
play
and
we
live
on
a
corner
lot
and
the
majority
of
our
lot
is
on
the
outside
of
the
building
because
of
the
setback
requirements
by
the
city
and
so
for
space
for
growing
kids
to
play
with,
we
would
like
them
to
be
able
to
use
a
variety
of
the
guards
in
our
the
different
sides
of
the
yard.
K
One
of
the
things
that
we're
concerned
about
is
traffic.
We
don't
want
the
girls
to
go
into
the
yard
and
into
the
street,
and
obviously
you
know
you
set
rules,
and
you
know
you
talk
to
the
children.
That's
kind
of
your
main
line
of
defense,
but
having
a
physical
marker
is
actually
also
a
very
helpful
means
of
making
sure
that
they
comply
with
those
requests
actually
standing
up.
We.
K
Friend
over
and
my
wife
was
outside
with
him.
She
was
transition
to
go
inside
to
death
to
the
bathroom,
so
I
came
out
and
the
moment
I
came
out.
They
ran
down
the
house
and
there
was
a
cat
out
there,
someone
to
look
at
the
cat,
and
then
they
were
in
the
corner
of
the
street
and
I
say
well
that
didn't
take
long
and
it's
the
sort
of
thing
where
you
know
you.
K
You
do
your
best
in
terms
of
setting
up
the
rules,
but
sometimes
the
kids
don't
comply
before
to
fix
another
another
concern,
and
this
is
actually
kind
of
a
horrible
concern
to
have.
But
it's
one
that
wasn't
wasn't
prominent
when
I
was
a
child.
I
grew
up
in
Kent
Ohio
and
lived
two
houses
away
from
a
playground
and
I
can
remember
being
in
kindergarten
and
taking
my
kickball
and
playing
at
the
playground
for
hours
on
end
of
my
parents
at
home
and
that's
just
not
an
option
anymore
and.
K
You
don't
like
to
think
of
the
horrible
things
that
could
happen,
but
you
want
to
try
to
prevent
those,
and
one
of
the
things
you
want
to
prevent
are
crimes
of
opportunity
in
those
kinds
of
opportunity,
or
sometimes
in
the
form
of
someone
pulling
up
in
advance
from
outside
the
community,
and
they
lure
a
child
to
the
side
of
the
street
and
off
they
go.
There
are
actually
55,000.
According
to
the
Bureau
of
Justice
Statistics
55,000,
stranger
abductions,
a
year
of
young
children
he's
up
to
about
12,
which
is
in
a
shocking.
K
Small
percentage
of
the
people
in
the
United
States,
but
that's
also
kind
of
a
concern
of
ours,
is
that
we
have
our
children
and
other
children
over
playing
in
our
yard.
We
would
like
there
to
be
some
sort
of
barrier
between
them
and
things
at
my
company.
That
said,
though,
we
don't
want
the
barrier
to
be
complete
and
kind
of.
K
K
I
spent
most
of
my
childhood
working
on
guard
projects
and
something
I
enjoy
doing
a
lot
we've
kind
of
been
on
hold
is
that
so
far,
while
we're
waiting
on
figuring
out
what's
gonna
happen
defense,
but
we
included
some
some
photos
that
illustrate
the
sort
of
yard
that
we
would
like
to
create
in
terms
of
landscaping
and
I.
K
K
Actually,
interacting
with
your
natives,
so
Tess,
that's
a
little
ironic,
but
I
can
understand
a
concern,
but
as
the
things
that
those
sorts
of
fences
a
little
decorative
fence
as
a
standard
feature,
it's
like
the
white
picket
fence
of
you
know:
Norman
Rockwell,
sort
of
paintings
or
something
that
seems
a
pretty
standard
thing
of.
B
K
F
F
D
K
F
K
Feel
like
that
would
be
a
concern
on
the
corner.
We
would
not
have
high
landscaping
at
all
this
one.
It
would
all
be
kind
of
low
perennials.
That's
it
and.
D
B
I
B
K
B
G
At
this
point,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
ask
council
members
that
we
could
scheduled
a
committee
meeting
for
seven
o'clock
next
Monday
and
then
another
committee
meeting,
which
would
be
on
the
26th
November
to
hopefully
bring
a
lot
of
those
issues
to
completion
so
that
we
could
start
passing
a
budget
early
in
December,
so
is,
is
next
Monday
a
little
bit
earlier?
It's
a
regular
council
meeting
which
would
start
at
7:30.
If
we
have
a
committee
meeting
at
7:00,
I'm
relatively
certain,
we
can
deal
with
everything
we
need
to
deal
with
at
that
time.