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B
Good
evening
welcome
to
Athens
City
Council
tonight
is
Monday
July
14th
2008
this
evening,
City
Council
is
going
to
be
meeting
in
a
series
of
probably
just
about
every
committee
that
we
have
formed
here.
So
in
fact,
a
long
evening
I
would
like
to
make
an
initial
announcement.
We
have
scheduled
a
lunch
with
president
McTavish
of
Ohio
University
for
City
Council
on
Thursday,
the
24th
at
noon.
That,
of
course,
is
open
to
the
public
or
any
member
of
the
press
that
would
like
to
come.
B
We
are
not
exactly
sure
of
exactly
where
it's
going
to
be
we'll
know
for
sure.
Next
Monday
we
thought
we
did
but
sounds
like
they
can't
handle
us.
So
we'll
will
let
you
know
where
it's
going
to
be
next
Monday
and,
of
course
the
Clerk
of
Council
will
send
that
out.
There
first
committee
on
the
agenda
is
a
transportation
committee,
chair,
Thank.
C
You,
mr.
president,
tonight
we
have
with
us
Street
director
Andy
stone,
who
will
be
able
to
help
us
with
some
additional
information
about
the
improvements
plan
for
the
Richland
682
process
of
improvements
that
will
be
embarking
on
in
the
next
few
years
and
I
know.
Citizens
have
asked
me
different
questions
and
I've
gone
back
to
Andy
I've
realized.
He
has
a
wealth
of
information
on
the
background
about
this
that
and
then
he
can
answer
a
lot
of
our
questions
and
just
help
educate
us
about
this.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
You,
ladies
and
gentleman
I'll
attempt
to
be
brief
this
evening.
The
purpose
of
my
visit
here
is
to
clarify
the
alternative
selection
process
that
we
went
through
to
arrive
at
the
roundabout.
The
modern
round.
The
ball
is
the
alternative
for
the
Richland
Avenue
project.
I
got
a
couple
multimedia
things
that
we'll
go
through
here.
One
thing
that
I'm
gonna
have
running
in
the
background.
The
entire
time
is
the
the
visum
vehicle
simulation
software
simulation
of
the
proposed
intersection
design
and
it's
going
to
show
a
constant
loop
of
the
a.m.
D
D
Our
concept,
the
way
that
we
selected,
which
concepts
we
would
evaluate,
we,
we
looked
at
several
different
options
for
the
intersection
that
were
just
ideas
that
were
thrown
out
the
steering
committee
myself
ray
Haslett
at
the
time,
representatives
from
Road
District,
ten
Pam
Callahan
from
oh
you
and
Steve
Deakin
from
bridges,
an
eyeball
or
the
steering
committee,
and
all
of
the
concepts
that
we
evaluated
needed
to
meet
demonstrate
a
definite
need.
We
really
had
for
selection
criteria.
These
are
the
things
that
we
threw
out:
concepts
that
didn't
meet
these
selection
criteria.
D
They
had
to
improve
the
safety
of
the
innocent
intersection
and
we
got
the
safety
grant
because,
specifically
because
of
the
high
crash
rate,
they
had
to
improve
vehicular
capacity
and
intersection,
which
went
hand-in-hand
due
to
the
the
lot
of
the
accidents
occurring
due
to
congestion
had
to
repair
the
distress
to
the
bridge
and
it
had
to
be
economically
feasible.
Recent
concerns
have
asked
about
you
know
why
didn't
we
consider
an
interchange
or
an
overpass
of
682
overwritten
684
over
Richmond
Avenue?
D
D
You've
seen
these
before
this
was
alternative
one.
This
is
the
traditional
intersection
with
the
widened
approaches
on
three
directions:
the
the
south
east
and
north
approach
to
the
intersection.
This
does
require
a
widening
to
the
bridge.
If
we
went
with
option
one
of
alternative
one,
one
sub
option
was
to
put
us
that
was
to
include
sidewalks
on
the
bridge.
D
The
so
option
to
this
was
to
put
the
pedestrian
bridge
seperate
and
then
not
have
to
wide
the
bridge
to
attain
the
six
lanes
that
you
needed
to
be
able
to
work
with
the
traditional
signal
and
that's
what's
showing
there
in
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
alternative
two
was
the
modern
roundabout
design.
One
of
the
benefits
of
this,
this
particular
alternative,
was
that
you
didn't
have
to
widen
the
bridge
and
you
can
continue
to
keep
pedestrians
and
bikes
on
it.
D
All
right
so
then,
after
coming
up
with
these
two
basic
alternatives,
we
had
to
come
up
with
an
evaluation
process
again
set
by
the
steering
committee.
The
criteria
that
we
use
to
evaluate
we
had
originally
18
needs
goals
and
objectives.
That's
what
we
went
to
the
public
with
at
the
at
the
first
and
second
public
meeting.
Once
we
really
sat
down
to
evaluate
it.
We
we
called
about
the
six
of
those,
and
we
came
up
with
twelve
evaluation
criteria.
D
These
evaluation
criteria
were
based
on
both
our
needs,
as
we
determined
as
a
steering
committee
as
well
as
stakeholder
interviews,
which
specific
was
Public,
Safety
forces,
Chamber
of
Commerce,
various
boards
and
commissions,
various
neighborhood
organizations,
student,
Senate's
and
other
other
concerned
groups,
and
then
also
the
the
input
that
we
got
from
the
public
meetings.
That's
how
we
came
up
with
our
12
evaluation
criteria.
The
evaluation
criteria
were
relative
values,
type
evaluation,
that
is
to
say
which
of
the
alternatives,
was
better
under
those
12
criteria.
D
We
knew
that
each
alternative
would
meet
these
criteria
because
we
put
forth
those
in
the
in
the
selection
process,
but
how
well
each
one
would
do.
Is
will
be
evaluated?
They
had
to
improve
safety
at
the
intersection
number
one
number
two
had
to
provide
acceptable
operations
for
the
dairy
Lane
intersection.
We
had
to
repair
the
bridge.
We
had.
You
safely
convey
pedestrians
and
bikes
through
the
intersection
and
connect
with
existing
facilities
most,
namely
the
hiking
Idina
bike
way.
We
had.
D
D
We
had
to
avoid
negative
environmental
impacts,
and
we
had
to
see
how
well
the
the
alternative
would
reduce
vehicle
speeds
on
Richland,
Avenue
we'd
have
to
see
how
well
the
alternative
would
accommodate
and
enhance
our
public
transit.
How
well
it's
supported
special
event
traffic,
how
well
it
maintained
Richland
Avenue
as
a
critical
firing
police
quarter
and
then
how
well
it
maintained
the
existing
service
roads
to
our
pump
station
and
to
the
O.
D
You
golf
course
that's
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
intersection
right
now,
as
we
went
through
our
evaluation,
we
determined
that,
as
we
compare
the
various
alternatives
in
most
cases,
the
two
alternatives
were
equal.
However,
in
condition
one,
the
safety
of
the
intersection
alternative
two
was
was
superior,
in
condition
for
which
was
our
evaluation.
Criteria
for
to
safely
can
convey
pedestrians
and
bikes
through
the
intersection.
We
determined
that
option
two
of
alternative
1
and
alternative
2
were
were
superior
to
alternative
one.
We
determined
the
option
alternative
2
with
superior
and
urban
aesthetics.
E
A
D
And
brand
Road
intersection
in
Dublin
Ohio.
This
was
the
original
layout
of
that
intersection.
Before
the
roundabout
was
installed.
It
was
a
four-way
stop
with
bypass
lanes
on
the
four
corners.
It
was
somewhat
confusing.
The
drivers
didn't
meet
drivers
expectations
and,
if
you're
familiar
with
this
area,
they
do
receive
once
a
year
a
large
number
of
out-of-town
visitors.
D
Some
quick
data
and
I
can
provide
this
to
you
in
more
detail
on
the
Dublin
intersection.
This
is
for
similar
time
periods,
I
believe
about
a
two-year
period
before
in
a
two
year
period
after
the
intersection
was
changed.
Note
that
there's
a
78
percent
reduction
in
severity
of
accidents,
that
is
to
say
the
vast
majority
of
accidents,
were
property
damage
only.
They
only
had
one
accident
that
was
an
injury
accident
after
the
after
the
intersection
was
changed
and
then
overall,
a
62
percent
reduction
in
accidents.
D
You
can
see
in
the
rate,
that
is
to
say
two
point:
seven
vehicles
per
million
vehicles
entering
the
intersection
were
involved
in
accidents,
whereas
afterwards
only
one
per
million
vehicles
entering
the
intersection
and
again,
we've
talked
about
the
high.
The
high
damage,
high
injury,
high,
fidelity
potential
type
crash,
and
those
are
those
angle,
type
crashes
and
they
had
70%
lots
less
crashes
of
that
type
of
type
of
accident.
D
D
This
slide,
probably
better
than
anything
else
that
I
can
show.
You
describes
the
difference
between
a
modern
roundabout
and
one
of
the
traffic
circles
that
we
see
in
in
New,
Jersey
New
York,
some
of
the
older
Massachusetts,
some
of
the
older
type
circular
intersections
that
people
a
lot
of
times
when
they
think
about
roundabouts,
especially
if
they're
from
the
Northeast
what
they
think
about.
You
can
see
you
here.
D
This
is
a
traditional
traffic
circle
with
a
six
hundred
and
sixty
foot
inscribed
diameter
circulating
traffic,
characterized
by
very
high
speeds,
usually
45
50
miles
an
hour
of
circulating
traffic,
you're
you're
lots
of
merging
and
weaving
happening
inside
the
circle
itself,
as
opposed
to
just
yielding
for
entry.
And
what
you
see
here
is
the
construction
of
the
replacement,
which
is
a
225
diameter,
modern
roundabout,
which
is
a
completely
different
intersection
other
than
it's
the
same
shape,
but
as
far
as
performance
goes
completely
different.
D
D
Recently,
there
was
some
public
commentary
about
two
locations
in
particular
one
in
Syracuse,
New,
York.
Here's,
a
here's,
a
aerial
snapshot
of
that
location
in
Syracuse,
Syracuse,
New
York
shows
the
traditional
traffic
circle.
That's
at
that
location,
very
different
than
our
situation,
that
there's
five
approaches
in
this
location
and
if
you
know,
there's
a
650-foot
I
describe
diameter.
The
inside
very
high
speed
rotating
traffic,
lots
of
merging
and
weaving
actions
happening
in
this
area
very
different
than
a
than
an
urban
modern
roundabout.
F
D
The
other
location
that
was
recently
alluded
to
as
far
as
a
problematic
location.
This
is
one
of
the
southern
part
of
Boston
on
the
freeway,
where
it
changes
off
of
Route
three
to
go
out
to
Cape
Cod
lots
of
out-of-town
guests
in
this
area.
They
had
a
capacity
problem
here
again,
you
can
see
five
approaches
and
you
can
see
also
a
very
large
inscribed
ammeter
300
feet.
D
They
can't
quite
line
up,
and
then
you
also
have
that
same
exact
problem
with
people
trying
to
try
meet
that
slight
Bend
skew,
as
you
come
through
on
680,
to
not
a
problem
that
the
traffic
people
running
red
lights,
running
red
lights
really
is
a
problem
in
this
intersection.
However,
as
noted
in
our
recent
fatality,
a
side
impact
crash
was
the
result
of
someone
running
a
red
light
and
whether
or
not
there's
a
camera
there
or
not,
is
not
going
to
stop
that
that
one
random
tragic
event.
D
D
Yes,
there
was
some
congestion
during
people
approaching,
but
it's
no
different
than
the
signal
that
we
have
now.
We
also
were
able
to
put
in
some
aspects
of
the
simulation
to
allow
for
what
would
happen
if
an
officer
were
to
stop
one
of
the
legs
to
allow
one
of
the
other
legs
to
clear
out,
and
it
worked
fine.
So
it's
not
something
that
can't
be
dealt
with
any
differently
than
occurring
in
our
current
situation.
With
the
last
intersection.
D
Passing
and
again,
you
don't
design
for
your
single
one
large,
huge
event
that
you
have
per
year,
or
else
you'd
be
spending
millions
of
dollars
doing
six
and
seven
and
eight
lane
wide
roads
to
deal
with
that
one
large
event:
unnecessary
expense
for
peds
and
bikes.
Due
to
low
usage.
Some
of
the
some
of
the
comments
out
there,
where
that
there
were
very
low
pedestrian
and
bike
usage
in
this
intersection,
and
we
found
that
not
to
be
the
case
in
the
a.m.
noon
and
p.m.
D
peak
hour
counts
that
we
did
during
the
during
the
analysis
of
the
intersection
we
found
that
there
were
over
20
and
in
some
cases
over
30
pedestrian
and
site
cyclists
traveling
through
the
intersection
during
those
peak
hour
times
that
we're
designing
for
environmental
issues.
Regarding
widening
one
of
the
things
that
we
noted
in
our
tentative
selection
was
that
the
widening
of
the
three
approaches
that
was
required
with
the
traditional
intersection
will
get
into
a
significant
portion
of
the
Southside
park.
D
Also,
some
of
the
area
that
that
has
some
some
cattails,
some
some
wet
area
there
in
the
southeast
corner
we're
trying
to
avoid
as
much
impact
as
possible
doesn't
matter
what
that
wet
area
is,
if
it,
if
it
harbors
species
that
under
NEPA,
are
a
concern,
then
you
have
to
deal
with
it
as
such
that
it's
a
wetland.
It
doesn't
matter
whether
it's
a
whether
it's
a
poorly
maintained,
drainage,
ditch
or
not.
That's
something
we
got
to
deal
with,
so
our
goal
is
to
rather
than
flop,
the
law.
F
D
Perhaps
this
money
we've
better
used
on
the
u.s.
3350
and
Ohio
32
bypass
and
the
ramp
for
repairs.
Just
a
side
note
ODOT
does
plan
a
major
bypass
repair
projects
on
the
same
scope
of
what
they
did
at
the
Columbus
Road
and
us
33
interchange
last
year,
a
lot
of
those
locations
for
summer
of
2009
on
the
on
the
agenda.
D
B
D
And
I
and
I
apologize
for
the
way
the
simulation
shows
right
here.
If
we
go
back
to
the,
if
we
go
back
to
that
particular
slide,
we
took
out
those
other
two,
those
other
two
crosswalks
that
are
currently
showing
right
here
and
right
here,
because
we
determined
that
there
wasn't
a
need
for
those,
and
the
vast
majority
of
pedestrians
will
move
on
this
side.
Here's
the
at
grade
crossing
right
here
and
then
here's
where
the
tunnel
would
be
right
here.
D
This
kind
of
weird
skew
that
goes
way
out
here
is
in
order
to
make
a
make
the
grade
requirement
for
an
ad
a
a
flat
enough
grade
for
an
88
ramp.
One
of
our
considerations,
as
we
go
into
design,
is
to
put
a
couple
paths:
the
straight-line
path
for
the
most
of
the
people,
they're
going
to
walk
and
then
also
maintain
the
path
that
we
allow
for
the
88
access.
You.
D
I
do
not
not
because,
in
my
my
opinion,
if
we
do
it
correctly,
we
will
convey
pedestrians
to
the
Eastern
Church
in
the
western
side
of
the
road
south
by
dairy,
Lane
and
north
across
the
on
the
on
the
north
end
of
the
bridge.
So
at
that
point
really
the
only
place
that
you're
going
to
be
walking
is
north
south.
D
On
this
side,
one
of
the
things
we
did
note
that
there
is
a
occasionally,
in
addition
to
parking,
sometimes
on
sporting
events,
but
more
more
often
for
some
archery
classes
that
öyou
holds
in
this
field
down
here
to
the
other
one
comes
back
up,
we
talked
about
putting
in
a
gravel
path
that
would
go
underneath
the
bridge
the
same
way
that
the
bike
path
does,
on
the
other
side,
to
convey
pedestrians
and
completely
great
separate
them
from
traffic.
So
for
users
of
this
area
they
can
access
it
from
this
side.
E
E
D
D
F
D
The
one
vehicle
that
has
to
turn
left
and
is
having
problems
getting
out
and
into
the
end
of
the
road
and
there's
a
bunch
of
people
who
want
to
turn
right.
We
think
that
that
this,
this
treatment
with
the
two
lanes
on
southbound
dairy
Lane
will
will
solve
that.
However,
the
intersection
will
be
set
up
so
that,
should
that
still
be
a
problem,
we
should.
D
D
Signal
yeah,
as
it
stands
now,
I
mean
that's
beyond
the
scope
of
this
project.
Sir,
the
when
we
modelled
this
traffic
for
this
we
use
projected
traffic
for
that
new
entryway
and
we
based
it
on
the
existing
traffic
that
occurs
at
the
University
courtyard
entrance
driveway
there
we
basically
took
a
factor
of
1.5,
because
there's
about
150
percent
of
the
of
the
capacity
of
university
courtyard
is
what's
going
to
be
at
Summit.
D
We
use
that
same
number
for
the
number
of
vehicles
that
would
make
that
left-hand
turn
and
use
it
for
the
volume
of
traffic,
but
as
far
as
need
for
a
signal,
no
warrants
study
has
been
conducted.
That
I
know
of
I
know
that
prior
traffic
studies,
I
think
when
the
when
it
was
campus
edge,
was
the
machination
of
that
particular
development.
I
think
they
did
a
traffic
study
that
showed
that
there
would
not
be
a
signal
warranted.
However,
we've
not
looked
at
it
with
this
project.
H
I
just
have
a
more
of
a
comment:
I
guess
when
witness
was
first
being
publicly
discussed,
I
was
pretty
hesitant
about
the
roundabout
and
I
had
reservations,
but
over
the
past
year,
I've
been
really
strongly
convinced
that
it's
the
best
option
for
this
intersection.
I'm
sure
that
everyone's
aware.
Thank
you.
D
F
E
C
F
E
Couple
issues
with
communities,
issues
I
think
people
have
noticed
that
our
clean
committee
is
not
present
tonight.
There
have
been
some
further
developments
in
their
plans
for
uptown
recycling
and
they
would
so
the
committee
will
not
be
presenting
tonight.
Therefore,
I
would
like
to
take
these
few
minutes
to
insert
a
quick
finance
committee
meeting
about
three
about
four
o'clock.
Yes,.
J
I
make
a
real
guess
I'm
in
on
that
clean
committee.
Yes,
where
we
move
off
the
off
the
agenda
and
call-
and
maybe
this
is
something
I
just
need
to
discuss
with
you-
I
was
copied.
I
saw
your
response
to
an
email
on
which
I
was
not
initially
copied,
but
it
seemed
to
apply.
There
were
some
things
that
I've
read
that
I
was
needing
to
add
to
this
process
and
we're
not
at
that
point.
Yet.
As
far
as
I
know,
no.
J
E
E
We
have
several
CDBG
grants
in
process
in
the
city
and
some
of
those
need
some
additional
appropriations.
The
funds
have
been
received
or
will
be
received-
I'm
not
sure
the
auditors
not
here,
but
we
need
to
increase
appropriations
in
two
of
those
CDBG
grant
projects.
The
first
one
is
our
chip
project,
which
involves
upgrade
upgrading
houses
in
parts
of
the
city,
and
we
have
appropriated
$87,000.
E
E
E
Granville
Mary
Street
rebuild
is
yet
to
start,
but
will
be
done
this
summer,
and
the
steps
going
up
the
hill
from
4th
Street
up
to
Fairview
are
actually
in
the
process
of
being
worked
on
now.
So
those
three
projects
will
be
covered
by
this
additional
appropriation
from
funds
that
are
coming
to
us
are
already
received
for
CDBG
grant
projects.
Any
questions
about
that.
E
E
Affect
a
budget
planning
process
and
to
vote
to
put
into
effect
a
budget
at
the
end
of
the
year.
This
is
only
July,
but
city
council
normally
takes
the
month
of
August
off,
which
I
think
we're
planning
to
do,
which
means
we're
going
to
come
back
in
September.
All
of
a
sudden.
The
end
of
the
year
is
upon
us,
so
we
have
asked
the
mayor
and
the
Service
Safety
Director
to
help
us
with
some
planning
processes
that
we're
going
to
ask
the
directors
of
the
various
departments
to
help
us
with.
E
We
threw
out
the
numbers
of
seven
percent.
Five
percent
or
three
percent
I
think
we're
probably
going
to
revise
those
down,
maybe
to
five
three
and
two.
It
seems
to
be
more
comfortable
level,
we're
not
suggesting
that
this
won't
happen,
but
we
do
know
that
cities
in
municipalities,
even
states
around
us
are
beginning
to
be
troubled
by
budget
problems,
and
we
would
like
to
be
prepared
we're
asking
each
of
these
department
heads
to
look
at
their
budget
and
say:
maybe
we
could
delay
this
project
until
2010.
E
Just
looking
for
small
savings
in
the
budget,
our
auditor
tells
us
that
the
income
tax,
which
is
funds
most
of
our
activities,
is,
is
rising
at
one
to
two
percent,
but
we
know
personnel
costs
are
rising,
we
know
energy
costs
are
rising,
and
so
we've
we're
just
asking
for
a
little
help
from
department
heads
in
planning
for
the
2009
budget.
This
is
still
planning
process
in
this
process.
Of
course,
I
need
to
back
up
in
this
process
of
looking
at
what
small
reductions
could
be
made.
E
E
K
Okay,
let
me
reiterate
what
we
said:
I'm
more
the
gloom
and
doom
person,
so
I
will
say
that
I'm
I
believe
that
there's
a
huge
difference
between
1.8
percent
and
3
percent
or
4
percent,
and
so
with
those
increases
in
electricity
and
gas.
I
feel
very,
very
much
concerned
and
I
hope.
This
proactive
approach
puts
us
on
it
in
a
position
which
we've
been
on
since
the
beginning
of
this
year
to
meet
the
needs
of
keeping
all
of
our
people,
and
some
of
the
things
that
we
might
see
is
reduction
in
some
temporary
positions
reduction.
K
Perhaps
if
they
can
find
a
way
I
know
at
least
one
area
where
job
owning
by
the
previous
mayor
resulted
in
very
much
more
appropriate
use
of
overtime
after
a
flagrant
use
instead
of
uses
and
some
training,
perhaps
or
you
know,
let's
see
what
are
you
doing
that
you
could
do
more
efficiently,
it's
sort
of
like
at
home.
If
you
have
a
little
bit
of
a
budget
crisis,
what
do
you
do
to
save
money
and
that's
what
we're
asking
them
to
do
to
apply
some
of
those
principles
to
this?
K
When
we're
talking
about
substantial
changes,
I
think
we're
going
to
see
bus
increases
demands
50,000
year,
100
there
I'm
and
other
things.
You
know
that's
a
lot
of
money.
We
start
looking
at
because
of
things
that
have
happened
so
I
do
things
at
them.
We
do
want
to
keep
everyone
who's,
our
regular
employees,
on
the
job
we
want
to
continue
and
flourish
and
keep
us
two
healthy,
safe
city
that
sound
it's
going
to
be
tough
gasoline
natural
gas
is
now
from
I
guess.
K
If
I
read
and
I
do
for
my
for
my
job
I'm
going
to
be
double
what
it
is
this
year
and
some
of
our
facilities
use
natural
gas,
and
so
we've
got
to
be
ready.
Electricity
is
guaranteed
to
go
up
even
if
we
employ
that
new
system.
That
was
to
tell
it
last
week.
So
you
know,
maybe
we
can
use
that
a
less
electricity,
but
so
I'm
the
gloom
and
doom
person
go
with
that
mere.
G
While
I
did
bring
this
up
the
staff
being
less
Wednesday,
so
they
can
start
looking
at
it.
I
probably
should,
and
besides
more
the
fact
that
you're
looking
at
the
not
the
transaction
class
100,
which
is
basically
their
earnings
and
the
positions
but
I
did
I
did
state
that,
but
probably
not
as
emphatically
as
probably
some
would
like
to
hear.
G
They
will
look
at
it.
Hopefully,
they'll
get
back
to
us
by
September
with
some
recommendations.
I
know
that
you're
planning,
finest
personnel,
technical
gear,
like
coordinators
and
anybody
who's
interacting
with
so
various
departments
where
the
fire,
police
or
recreation
get
involved
in
the
budget
at
City,
Council
members
and
I
said
that,
because
being
the
new
mayor,
dynamic,
has
changed,
learning
aspects
evident
used
to
be
learning
too,
because
eventually
you'll
have
to
vote
on.
G
Thank
you
absolutely
and
I'll
point
out
that
did
talk
to
another
mayor
who's
concerned
about
his
budget
and
he's
he's
talking
about
2%,
raises
in
his
workforce
and
he's
worried
about
where
his
budget
crunches
at
this
point
so
we're
a
whole
notch
percentage
higher
or
two
depending
on
which
part
of
the
workforce
we're
talking
about,
and
that's
what
you
have
to
consider
and
we're
about.
80
percent
of
our
budget
is
personnel.
If
you
look
at
last
year's
151
is
157.
E
E
K
The
proposal
here
is
one
that
has
been
I,
think
discussed
with
some
members
of
council
I,
don't
know
how
far
I've
been
working
on
some
other
things
plumbing
in
the
house
next
door.
Maybe,
but
that's
another
matter.
We
have
a
president
of
council,
that's
next
in
line
for
the
mayor
own
position
and
I
think
over
time.
It's
come
to
our
attention
that
it
would
be
better,
probably
for
continuity,
sake
to
have
a
four-year
term
alternating
years.
In
order
to
assure
that
we
have
coverage
and
that
there
is
that
administrator
that
works
with
us.
K
The
7
of
us
is
serving
on
a
staggered
term,
the
mayor
and
that's
basically,
the
proposal
in
order
to
do
this
and
I
believe
patrick,
has
already
looked
into
it.
We
have
to
have
a
resolution
on
the
agenda
next
week.
To
have
this
happen.
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
be
changing
the
salary.
All
we're
going
to
do
is
that
you
know
send
it
to
the
voters.
K
If
the
voters
agree
that
it's
a
good
idea
that
we
would
have
this
continuity
based
approach
to
things,
then
we
will
have
at
the
next
election
a
four
year
rather
than
a
two-year
term.
In.
B
The
turnover
has
been
more
than
a
little
bit
substantial
I
think
it
could
have
really
been
very
problematic
if
the
members
of
council
that
had
turned
over
at
vent,
our
senior
members
of
Bane
and
sands
and
those
that
have
really
gotten
to
know
the
budgetary
process
and
how
to
get
things
through
and
what
happens
along
the
way.
A
number
of
terms
ago,
I
understand
that
this
was
something
that
was
able
to
be
done
with
the
auditor
and
the
treasurer.
B
K
B
Think
for
the
person
that
assumes
this
chair
in
the
next
term.
It
would
be
good
government
if
the
mayor
and
the
president
of
council
changed
positions
at
a
different
time.
The
citizens
of
Athens,
through
you
know
the
Ohio
Revised
Code,
in
the
way
that
statutory
cities
are
governed,
can
change
every
member
on
this
council
of
once,
and
maybe
there
ought
to
be
a
time
that
that
happens.
B
This
does
not
mean
that
we're
going
to
do
anything
more
than
say
we're
giving
the
citizens
chance
to
vote
on
it
and
that's
all
it
is.
If
you
think
it's
worthy
that
the
citizens
of
Athens
should
look
at
this
issue
and
see.
Is
this
how
they
want
their
city
to
operate
then
both
in
favor
of
it?
But
it
will
be
the
citizens
next
time
to
vote
on
it.
For
this
to
happen
and
I'm
again,
it's
a
shame
that
this
is
coming
up
with.
B
Not
a
lot
of
extra
notice
by
the
times
has
to
be
there,
but
if
it's
going
to
work
out
that
it
changes
at
different
times
and
when
the
mayor
does,
that
fits
on
an
alternate
two
years
than
when
the
mayor
is
elected
and
needs
to
be
on
this
November's
election.
So
that's
why
it's
before
you
know
love
to
their
comments.
L
K
I,
don't
know
who's
in
charge
of
liquor
licenses,
but
I
we
have
the
last
hurrah
895
these
states
being
a
restaurant,
which
is
a
big
new
license
new
and
it
would
only
go
to
another
restaurant,
but
I
would
like
to
know
what
happened
to
Damon's
license.
Did
it
just
die
or
is
it
somewhere
else
waiting
to
come
back?
I.
F
B
G
K
B
E
B
F
M
What
Jennifer
and
I
talked
about
is
that
she
would
take
about
five
minutes
to
go
over
the
proposed
structure
and
then
I'm
gonna
hand
out
the
existing
scope
of
services.
That's
attached
to
the
chamber
contract.
So
you
can
see
what
we're
currently
paying
for
in
terms
of
economic
development
and
we'll
take
about
five
minutes
to
go
over
that
and
then
we'll
have
about
ten
minutes
for
a
question
than
answer.
So,
thanks
for
being
here.
N
Jennifer,
thank
you.
The
document
via
before
you
is
the
business
plan
that
we
put
together.
That
is
definitely
still
a
work
in
progress.
We
have
a
meeting
set
of
the
economic
development
leadership,
folks
from
the
Port,
Authority
and
I
think
Paul's
been
involved,
Debbie's
been
advised
set
for
July
21st
at
9:30
a.m.
at
the
chamber.
So
if
any
of
you
are
interested
in
continuing
and
being
a
part
of
the
final
document,
obviously
the
count
City
Council
would
be
definitely
has
to
have
that
that
idea
and
that
that
really
have
having
buy-in
into
that.
N
We
want
to
create
its
separate
501,
C
3,
which
would
act
focus
strictly
on
economic
development.
Chamber
of
commerce
has
a
mission
as
a
separate
mission
of
representing
its
members
and
while
I've
maintained
that
economic
development
focus,
they
still
had
been
put
into
a
position
of
being
the
CEO
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
and
so
the
chamber
will
be
able
to
focus
on
members.
The
the
new
organization
will
be
specifically
focused
on
economic
development.
N
If
you
look
at
the
first
page
of
your
document
under
the
objectives
piece,
it's
really
probably
the
most
telling
and
that
the
whole
purpose
is
to
increase
the
number
of
leads,
whether
that's
internally
or
externally,
whether
that's
people
up
you
know,
companies
that
are
already
here
that
are
expanding
quality
jobs
and
wealth
creation
within
our
community.
In
order
to
do
all
that,
there
are
a
number
of
pieces
of
wheel,
spokes,
I,
guess
you
could
call
them
economic
development,
marketing
we'd
like
to
participate
and
be
part
of
leading
policy
discussions
related
to
economic
development,
providing
forums.
N
Also,
we
have
an
entrepreneurial
development
group
which
deals
with
business
finance
and
coaching
with
a
number
of
organizations
from
throughout
the
community
retention
expansion,
site
visit
teams,
a
real
estate,
development
team
and
infrastructure
improvements
for
development.
Right
now,
we've
talked
extensively
about
broadband
and
have
a
broadband
Council.
That's
just
been
established,
so
we're
we're
working
forward
and
just
that
overall
strategic
view-
and
you
asked
me
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
governance
piece-
we
were
looking
at
a
nine-member
board
of
directors,
as
I
was
reviewing
this
again
tonight.
N
I
noticed
that
one
of
the
koepcke
one
of
the
groups
that
was
supposed
to
be
on
the
list
or
left
off
is
you
with
Betty.
Obviously
that
is
a
critical
focus
thing.
So
would
actually
what
happened
there,
but
the
the
intent
was
to
have
a
nine-member
board.
The
group,
when
the
group
meets
in
July
21st
will
look
at.
You
know
how
we
would
make
a
10
member
board
work,
but
primarily
in
order
to
be
part
of
the
board.
Organiz
would
have
to
make
a
minimum
contribution
of
$15,000
per
year.
N
N
N
We
already
talked
about
the
purpose
and
serving
the
entire
county.
Is
you
know,
that's
the
area
that
we're
gonna
be
responsible
for
we
talked
about
the
levels
on
the
board
of
directors
if
a
full
institutional
membership
would
be
at
the
$50,000
level
and
other
institutional
membership
you're
eligible
with
a
minimum
investment
of
$15,000
to
be
to
be
part
of
of
the
board.
On
the
board,
we
also
offer
our
affiliate
memberships
at
thousand
dollars.
N
F
N
And
what's
happening,
the
membership
is
eligible
to
vote,
to
hold
its
position
on
the
board
and
to
serve
as
a
member
of
the
executive
committee.
The
other
institutional
members
are
eligible
to
vote
and
hold
an
open,
positional
or
trans
Trustees
granted
through
an
election
process,
because
we
will
most
likely
have
an
open
seat
that
that
would
be
the
opportunity
for
some
of
the
institutional
memberships
members
to
hold
elections
in
order
to
decide
who
would
fill
that
open
institutional
member
seat.
N
I,
don't
know
Debbie
how
far
into
this
you
want
me
to
go,
but
the
idea
is
to
have
at
least
nine
meetings
a
year.
Just
you
know
it's.
What
we
had
with
the
chamber,
we'll
have
a
larger
I,
see
I
see,
is
having
a
larger
advisory
type
of
organization
that
we
meet
on
a
quarterly
basis.
We
kind
of
get
the
input
from
our
partner
organizations
to
you
know
to
make
sure
we're
all
communicating
on
what's
happening
and.
M
That's
probably
enough
for
giving
an
overview
and
then
I'm
gonna
before
we
open
things
up
pass
out
to
folks
the
current
scope
of
work
that
is
attached
to
the
chamber
contract,
because
currently
the
city
is
contracting,
with
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
to
do
economic
development
activity
when
we
renegotiated
that
contract
last
time
around
was
the
first
time
that
we
attached
specific
deliverables.
So
this
is
currently
what
we're
paying
the
chamber
to
do
so
it
was
when
we,
when
we
first
were
negotiating
that
in
talking
it
through.
M
So
currently,
the
things
that
are
included
in
the
Chamber's
scope
of
work
is
enterprise
zone
management,
Community,
Reinvestment
areas
and
tax,
increment
financing
working
with
the
city
on
implementing
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
providing
some
assistance
around
policy
development
and
some
examples
would
be
the
site
plan
review
and
the
work
that
we've
done
on
higher
standards.
It
for
floodplain
regulations,
working
with
community
groups,
community
groups
to
promote
community
quality
of
life
efforts
and
community
events.
They're
working
with
the
clean
committee
I
think
some
of
the
fourth
of
July
activities,
and
that
was
really.
M
There
were
a
lot
of
partnerships
that
existed
that
we
tried
to
actually
put
in
writing
and
include
there
with
some
of
the
work
that
have
been
occurring
even
before
it
was
really
spelled
out:
the
entrepreneurial
development,
small
business
outreach
redevelopment
and
community
development
and
marketing
some
of
the
empty
buildings
and
trying
to
promote
redevelopment
and
then
reporting
to
the
city,
so
that
we
had
a
clear
vision
of
like
how
these
funds
were
being
used.
So
this
is
what's
what's
currently
in
place,
and
you
know
that
that's
how
our
public
funds
are
currently
being
used.
M
We
are
going
to
be
this
contract
runs
through
the
end
of
this
current
year,
so
it
is
the
right
time
for
us
to
be
having
this
conversation.
It
gives
people
some
time
to
think
about
what
what
we
want
to
use
our
funds
for
in
relation
to
economic
development,
and
you
know
this
discussion
about
the
the
structure
of
how
that's
going
to
happen
in
the
Athens
area.
I
think
it
fits
together
really
nicely
so
this
wanted
to
I.
M
Don't
want
us
to
have
to
come
up
with
the
list
of
everything
that
we
would
want
in
a
contract
like
this,
that
we
are
negotiating,
but
since
a
lot
of
folks
didn't
go
through
this,
the
last
time
around
I
thought
we
should
kind
of
get
this
out
there
and
open
it
up
to
some
discussion.
So
with
that
questions
and
and
thoughts
on
all
of
this.
N
G
E
N
Of
the
the
pieces
are
not
specifically
so
spelled
out
here,
but
I
think
the
committee
structure
and
the
activities
that
we're
doing
within
the
committee's
address
a
lot
of
this,
for
example
the
enterprise
zone
management.
All
of
that
will
be
a
function
that
this
group
maintains
the
comprehensive
plan.
Implementation
absolutely
I
think
that
deals
with
the
policy
piece
as
well
and
I
think
the
community
groups.
Some
of
that
we
can.
We
can
continue
that
I
think
that
we
really
look
at
the
functions
of
Economic
Development.
N
Some
of
those
pieces
will
remain
part
of
what
the
chamber
of
commerce
provides
the
entrepreneurial
development
group.
We
do
that
redevelopment
community
development
were
engaged
in
all
three
of
those
activities
and
then,
basically,
we
would
develop
through
a
noose
couples.
Work
reporting
mechanisms
that
that
you
would
want,
but
I
would
assume
we'd
have
a
consistent
reporting
mechanism
for
all
of
the
board.
Members
that
are
part
of
the
council
did
that
answer
your
question
Jim
well,.
E
E
C
And
I
probably
do
two
also
being
new
to
this
and
if
I'm
understanding
right
this
is
that
this
December
2005
document
is
the
existing
scope
of
work.
Mm-Hmm,
okay
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
that
some
of
that
community
group
component
may
naturally
go
to
the
membership
I
guess
so
looking
at
the
existing
scope
and
then
the
new
County
Economic
Development
I,
guess
my
question
would
be:
how
will
the
services
or
the
partnership
between.
C
Any
of
these
potential
executive
committee,
members
of
which
the
city
you
know,
will
likely
be
one.
How
will
this
services
be
enhanced?
Do
you
think,
and
what
pot
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
that's
putting
you
too
much
on
the
spot
tonight,
but
you
know,
and
how
might
potentially
this
this
scope
of
work
look
different?
Will
there
be
some
other?
Will
there
be
some
new
features?
I
I.
N
Think
from
the
scope
that
there
are
pieces
that
are
missing
that
we're
already
working
on
okay,
I
think,
obviously
the
broadband
council
piece
we've
been
engaged
in
workforce
development
activities
very
heavily
and
that's
an
additional
we're,
pulling
all
the
workforce
development
efforts
together
and
identifying
okay.
What
what
do
we
need
to
do?
Employers
are
telling
us
that's
the
most
important
thing,
but
then
they
also
say
childcare
is
the
most
important
thing
so,
which
is
a
workforce
issue.
So
I
think
you're
going
to
see
some
enhanced
services
in
that.
N
In
that
respect,
and
again
it's
even
more
focused
I
want
to
increase
the
number
of
retention
and
expansion
visits
that
we
do
currently
and
I
want
to
engage
the
public
sector
in
those
visits
so
that
you
know
there's
there's
unity.
We
can
communicate
back
and
forth
on
the
policy
front.
What
businesses.
F
H
M
The
meeting
that
is
coming
up
folks,
who
want
to
be
part
of
that
conversation,
can
participate
in
that
I
mean
I
the
first
time.
The
earlier
version
of
this
that
I
saw
I
mean
it
seems
to
me
that
the
Chamber's
leadership
has
really
put
a
lot
of
thought
into
the
transition
process
and
the
proposed
structure
to
figure
out
something.
M
That's
gonna
really
look
at
the
range
of
partners
that
we
have
in
the
community
that
are
doing
I,
think
some
really
innovative
and
powerful
economic
development
work,
but
also
maintain
some
accountability
for
the
public
funds
that
are
used
for
this
work.
So
I
mean
I.
I,
know
that
you've
been
moving
down
this
road
for
some
time
in
a
previous
awful
way,
and
you
know
I
appreciate
the
work
that
you're
doing
there.
I
don't
think
we
have
to
come
to
any
particular
conclusion
tonight.
I
just
wanted
to
get
to
this
next
level
of
the
information.
N
N
M
K
Remember
the
committee,
but
I
was
hoping
that
maybe
you
would
all
agree
with
me
that
it's
probably
time
for
us
to
request
carbon
monoxide
detectors
and
the
housing
code
and
maybe
see
if
it's
a
doable
thing
by
the
1st
of
January
2009,
starting
with
that
inspection
Paul.
And
if
that
doesn't
made
me
the
30th
of
June,
2009
and
all
members
of
council
introducing
that
change.
K
E
K
Cost
about
$50
and
they're
in
I
think
the
chief
and
I
actually
should
have
let
Jerry
do
this.
The
chief
is
strongly
in
favor
of
it.
I've
installed
them
in
my
house.
The
only
problem
is
the
house
next
door
to
me
that
I
rent
out,
but
the
only
thing
I
see
as
a
liability
potentially
and
maybe
not
a
liability,
but
a
problem
is
that
they
require
an
outlet
and
some
houses
are
fairly
short
on
outlet
button
they
plug
in
and
they're
effective,
and
you
can
see
right
away
as
a
readout.
K
What
the
carbon
monoxide
readings
so
and
50
is
doable
I.
Think,
given
the
money
that's
made
in
these
places,
and
but
you
could
give
us
some
feedback,
if
you
don't
want
to
go
forward,
I
mean
if
you
think
I
should
wait
on
it.
I
think
we
talked
about
it
before
it.
Just
kind
of
fell
between
the
cracks
I.
G
F
K
G
K
K
M
Question
would
be
there
been
problems
with
smoke,
detectors
that
we've
ended
up
having
to
require
once
the
heavy
their
long-term
batteries
are
hard
wired
to
avoid
people
just
taking
them
down
and
sticking
them
out
on
the
porch
or
something
if
it's
going
off
and
annoying
that
I.
Remember
that
very
well
and
so
I
don't
know
if
there
are
issues
like
that
with.
B
B
G
We,
the
staff
of
the
city
staff,
went
through
fire
training
last
month,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
to
his
dress.
Is
carbon
monoxide
detectors
and
I
did
ask
to
fire
chief
alum?
How
the
you
know,
failure
rate
he
says:
they've
improved
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
you
can't
get
once
was
read
out
and
they
wouldn't
go
off
until
they
get
to
a
certain
parts.
Per
million
or
parts
per
billion
I'd
be
able
to
use.
But
he
is
concerned
about
that.
K
The
process,
the
reason
why
I
was
saying,
starting
with
inspections,
the
first
of
January
2009
organ,
a
30th
of
June-
is
I
hope.
You
know.
If
everybody
will,
all
5,000
units
went
running
out
in
botwin
right
now,
it
would
cause
a
major
problem.
Justice
was
caused
by
the
smoke
detector,
so
may
be
good
to
face
it
in
a
little
bit
and
that's
what
I
I
see
is
that.
G
We
could
ask
the
the
code
office
to
see
if
they
have,
they
probably
have
a
somewhat
of
an
indication
and
chief
Trachsel
about
what
percent
is
right
now
are
using
carbon
dioxide
detectors,
I'm
sure,
there's
a
number
of
men,
however,
who's
already
advances,
or
that
so
it's
not
like
they
all
have
to
run
out
at
once.
Right.
K
F
K
K
Those
would
be
then,
though,
especially
those
okay
utilities
committee
not
too
much
to
do
tonight.
I
circulated
an
ordinance
that
tried
to
bring
together
what
we
were
trying
to
do
last
weekend.
It
is
a
work
in
progress
and
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
anywhere
and
matt
has
sent
you
a
pile
of
material.
So
now
you
have
a
reading
from
the
economic
development
people
and
a
set
of
readings
from
mister
and
Matt.
But
what
I
see
here
is
a
little
bit
of
a
fine-tuning.
K
Excuse
me
I'm,
in
a
little
bit
of
pain,
a
fine
tuning
of
our
existing
policy
and
basically
saying
that
I
think
I
asked
the
lodge
no,
not
the
longer
I
passed
it
around.
I
asked
the
mayor.
I
asked
the
service
director
and
tried
to
get
everything
in
order.
I
did
wear
assets,
but
I'm
looking
at
and
thinking
you
know
where
is,
is
our
toothless,
so
they
probably
have
to
be
stated
as
principals
once
we
do
it.
K
So
what
we
said,
what
city
water
is
not
available
to
send
property
the
area's
serviced
by
the
ex
water
district
annexation
of
the
property
is
required
prior
to
said,
sewer
extension.
That
was,
that
was
what
I
heard
loud
and
clear
that
we
need
an
executed
agree
with
leox
water
district
for
collection
of
the
month,
a
user
fee
and
a
person
from
Li
axis
here
and
probably
could
tell
us
that
this
will
not
be
a
difficult
thing
to
do
right.
K
You
want
to
say
a
word
about
it
now,
so
you
can
go
home
after
waiting,
all
those
okay,
whereas
the
owner
agrees.
The
developer
will
submit
the
plan
for
review
under
title
41
I
mean
why
would
we
have
title
41
and
not
and
make
people
do
it
I
mean
that
doesn't
make
any
sense,
whereas
the
owner
agrees
to
play
all
costs
associated
with
the
extension
of
maintenance
of
a
sewer
line
to
the
property,
their
engineer
had
it
going
from
commercial
across
you
know
about
just
where
TS
trim
goes
except
to
the
right.
K
You
know
that
place.
I
guess
you
may
mean,
haven't
driven
back
there,
but
there
is
some
open
space
there
and
then
across
the
school
property
and
then
across
and
we
say
the
owner
is
or
the
developer
is
going
to
be,
the
cost
of
acquiring
necessary
easements
to
access
the
property
and,
of
course
they
would
be
dedicated
back
to
the
city.
The
line
installation
performed
by
the
owner
meets
the
city's
specification.
The
owner
understands.
K
The
tap
is
limited
to
the
proposed
Holzer
facility,
with
no
guarantee
of
service
to
the
entire
project
area,
whereas
property
must
be
contiguous
to
the
city.
Corporate
line
and
tap
approval
expires
have
not
installed
with
two
years
from
the
date
of
adoption.
This
is
base.
This
would
be
basically
principles
upon
which
we
went.
We
might
only
would
move
forward
now.
K
K
If
we're
not
collecting
water
and
using
the
benefits
in
the
water
collection,
the
sewer
fees
will
have
to
be
100
plus
percent,
even
though
it's
inside
the
city,
given
the
situation
because
water
and
sewer
work
together,
and
so
that
will
well
I'd
like
some
number
to
give
you,
you
could
probably
ask
them
Mr
Carr,
to
tell
us
what
would
be
an
appropriate
number
for
the
fees
within
the
city.
Please
you're.
K
K
Okay,
so
that's
basically
my
effort
at
that
you
guys
can
have
at
it.
Tell
me
on
I.
Just
don't
want
to
have
spend
another
two
hours
talking
about
this,
and
this
is
fundamentally
what
I
think
is
going
on,
with
the
exception
of
the
amount
of
money,
because
the
administration
wants
it
a
next
first
and
now
I
know.
Mr.
Hayes
would
like
to
start
working,
as
he
said
to
us
on
the
in
November
of
this
year.
K
E
F
E
K
M
It's
it
is
contiguous
with
the
city,
the
current
city
limits
and
there
don't
have
to
be
any
other
properties
involved,
so
it
seems
like
it
should
be
fairly
straightforward
as
far
as
annexation.
Let's
go,
and
we
did
get
a
letter
from
mr.
Hayes,
basically
saying
that
this
is
all
okay.
The
principles.
The
point-by-point
principles
responds
that
it's
okay,
he's
willing
to
annex
and
to
comply
with
title
41.
Is
that
correct?
Mr.
Geiser.
F
O
O
O
Most
of
you
probably
have
that
that
also
has
the
maps
in
the
back
just
because
I
keep
returning
anybody.
Any
questions
about
that
and
first
of
all,
I'd
like
to
apologize.
Mr.
Hayes
is
stuck
in
New
York.
He
tried
to
him
spoken
back
this
afternoon
about
too
far
and
he's
been
weather
with
flights,
so
he
was
very
apologetic
and
want
me
to
make
sure
that
he
knew
ingénue
that
he
wanted
to
be
here
tonight.
O
O
As
far
as
that,
there's
some
other
language
in
there
that
it's
brand-new
tonight
and
it's
probably
brand
new
to
the
guidelines
for
utilities,
extension,
primarily,
the
annexation
of
property
prior
to
the
sewer
extension
and
what
that
would
entail.
I
can't
I
can't
speak
to
what
his
response
would
be
to
that
and
if
that's
actually
saying
that
the
annexation,
the
property
would
be
required
prior
to
the
sewer,
Extension
approval
or
the
actual
physical
tapping
into
so
it
would
be
my
question
in
there
again.
This
is
just
from
my
hip,
because
I
don't.
K
Know
if
I
can
answer
that
exactly,
but
if
we
would
proceed
with
if
it
works,
we
would
proceed
with
the
ordinance
if
it
would
be
signed
by
the
mayor.
Then,
once
you
annexed
I
mean
once
you
started
the
annexation
process,
but
yeah
it
would
be
part
you
would
have
the
guarantee
of
the
mayor
signature
and
this
clerks
signature
and
our
if
it
passes.
Okay.
O
To
what
mr.
Hayes
is
gonna
want
how
he
would
respond,
because
this
is
new
when
we
came
in
tonight
the
title
41
issue,
I
mean
I,
think
that's
a
brand
new
thing
for
sewer
extension.
I
might
know
that
once
you
get
to
the
Planning
Commission
stages
that
that
comes
into
play,
but
we
haven't
dealt
with
afterwards
strictly
talking
about
sewer,
stand
approval
for
sewer
extension,
so
I
can't
represent
that
it
means
an
agreement
or
of
disagreement.
K
There's
one
thing
that
I
think
you
have
to
be
absolutely
clear
on
this
and
I'm
gonna
be
absolutely
want.
Sometimes
I
hear
that
you
guys
do
not
really
care
that
much
about
annexation.
I
don't
mean
you,
but
in
general,
the
process-
and
you
know
that
alarms
me
a
little
bit
and
so
on.
This
is
why
this
document
is
the
way
it
is
I
do
not
overlook
from
us
what.
K
K
O
O
That's
a
requirement,
then
we're
not
opposed
to
that
requirement.
That's
not
going
to
kill
this
project,
so
it's
not
a
lackadaisical
whatever
you
wanting
access,
it's
more
that
we're
not
requesting
to
go
forward
with
this,
we're
not
requesting
an
approval
on
sewer
tongue
sewer
without
a
neck
sation.
Okay,.
I
M
Our
site
plan
review
process
for
the
Oh
larger
projects
to
bring
them
into
a
public
review
process,
one
of
the
other
projects
that
came
forward
and
wanted
the
extension
of
city
services
prior
to
annexation,
which
then
did
then
go
ahead
and
annex
we
worked
that
out
with
a
development
agreement.
But
there
were
some
questions
about
items
in
the
development
agreement
and
whether
we
had
the
jurisdiction
to
be
going
back
and
forth
talking
about
those
things
while
it
was
still
outside
the
city
limits.
M
O
O
Thank
you,
the
other
ones,
I
think
are
all
addressed,
and
the
original
seven
guidelines
that
we
were
presented
with
and
asked
there.
The
owner
agrees
that
pails
cost
associated
with
the
extension.
The
maintenance
of
sewer
line
I
just
on
a
personal
I,
have
a
question.
I
understand
is
that
that
maintenance
is
for
a
period
of
time
like
one
year
or
something
like
that,
and
then
the
city
takes
it
over
the
maintenance
and
that's
just
a
general.
It.
F
O
O
The
owner,
understands
that
the
tap
is
limited
to
the
proposed
I
I
would
prefer
that
says,
assisted
living
facility
just
because
there
is
no
agreement
with
holder
in
place.
It
is
eliminating
toxins
time
and
it's
this
really
an
assisted
living
project.
I
don't
want
anyone
to
get
the
idea
that
poles
are
while
they
are
the
ones
we're
talking
to
you
right
now
that
their
management
factor
in
this
and
that
that
could
potentially
good
I
could
do
that.
They
continue.
O
Some
continues
with
the
property,
the
city,
corporate
line,
I
think,
is
no
problem
and
the
topic
rural
exploration-
that's
that's
new,
but
that's
probably
an
understood
as
well.
I,
don't
think
that's
gonna
be
an
issue,
so
I
really
just
need
to
get
mr.
Hayes's
response
to
the
you
know
the
title
41
issue
and
the
how
the
annexation
takes
place.
I
I
just
assumed
that
would
be
more
once
we
got
to
the
Planning
Commission.
You
know
we
get
the
sewer
extension
approval.
Then
we
can
we
go
to
that
stage.
K
Should
this
pass,
you
would
be
working
with
the
administration,
we
would
say
we
do
follow.
These
rules
were
good
with
it,
and
so
you
would
work
it
out
with
them.
I
mean
not
with
respect
to
title
41,
but
with
respect
to
timing
and
that's
what
anybody
else
have
any
comments
and
he
went
dead
set
against.
If
you
want
to
talk
about
it,
two
more,
you
want
to
read
all
this
stuff,
some
more.
K
K
No
I
don't
think
so.
Then,
then,
when
you
have
near-miss
training,
we
could
have
a
special
session.
You
lucky
guys
come
in
and
look
at
how
about
I'll
come
in
and
build
us
in
here
and
you
could
have
been
reading
then,
and
we
have
the
last
reading
the
2nd
of
September,
which
is
the
day
after
Labor
Day
Tuesday.
M
K
H
And
it's
I
guess
it's
attempted
to
be
covered
here,
but
I
think
we're
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
And
maybe
this
is
just
the
way
things
happen
in
government
a
lot
but
I'm
granting
sir
extension
without
knowing
what
the
project
specifically
is
going
to
be
seems
backwards
to
me
and
I
will
not
probably
I,
wouldn't
support
unless
I
had
pretty
good
assurances
that
this
project
will
be
in
compliance
with
site
plan
review
or
if
it
turns
out
to
be
larger,
with
the
PUD
welljust
and.
F
F
F
O
H
O
There's
a
some
of
that
is
there's
a
great
deal
of
cost
that
goes
into
designing.
These
I
mean
the
architect
front
were
working
with
is
out
of
Columbus.
This
is
all
they
do,
is
assisted
living
facilities,
they're
very
familiar
with
all
the
state
codes
and
federal
regulations,
and
that
kind
of
thing
and
I
said
this
is
all
they
do
their
portfolios.
O
K
O
O
K
Q
Q
We
can
collect
any
late
fees
and
penalties
whatever
you
know,
billing
parameters
that
the
city
sets
for
the
for
the
service
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
month,
we
would
forward
the
the
monies
to
you
and
all
of
the
billing
journals
or
anything
for
backup
to
satisfy
auditing
purposes.
Again,
we
haven't
started
that
process
yet
ourselves,
but
you
know
we've
modeled
it
after
other
rural
water
districts
that
do
have
it
in
place
today.
Q
J
Q
R
F
K
Q
O
You
again
one
thing
real,
quick
in
that
packet
that
providing
there
was
also
an
email
from
Mike
McEvoy.
The
engineer
who
originally
presented
that
there
was
some
question
with
questions
from
a
couple
different
council
members
system
in
conversations
about
the
way
the
wine
would
go
in.
I
know
that
there's
that
LAN
lab
over
there
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so
he
provided
in
that
packet
just
gave
you
information
about
directional,
boring
and
how
they,
because
it's
under
pressure
they
can
go
around
things
under
things
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
that's
that's!
G
K
F
K
Question
is
some
fellow
raised
that
they're
picking
it
up
the
pipe,
but
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
know
about
is-
and
this
is
just
my
basic
niggling
in
my
brain-
if,
if
it
is
the
case
of
that
pump,
that
sewer
this
station
has
fallen
down
a
bit,
I
guess
I
wonder
if
it's
down
as
much
as
I,
they
have
a
little
flight,
reverse
flying
buttress
kind
of
wedge
of
concrete
in
there.
That's
there,
but
I
guess:
I
wonder
since
there's
quite
a
bit
of
heft
going
up
that
hill,
yeah
and
I.
K
K
Will
there
be
a
pump
problem
in
two
years
and
I
guess
that
maybe
and
sometime
in
the
future
I'd
like
to
know
the
answer
to
that
follow
and
I
know:
I,
don't
expect
to
have
it
tonight,
but
sometime
you
know,
and
if
we
need
to,
we
could
put
some
concrete
blocks
down
there
to
lift
it
up,
keeping
with
the
rest,
I'm
teasing,
I'm,
joking
I'm,
just
joking
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
finally,
woken
up,
alright,
okay!
So
that's
a
Columbus
road
thing
and
I'm
worried
about
it.
K
You
know
it's
just
like
one
of
those
things
that
3:00
in
the
morning
I
sometimes
worry
about.
Since
my
kids
are
gonna
have
other
things
to
catch
a
catch
basin,
sunny
sided,
Lloyd
I
was
wondering
the
'litham
when
a
citizen
it
several
times
asked
about
this
John
mcvickers
catch
basins,
relatively
modest
cost.
Can
we
get
the
crew
going
and
get
that
in
okay,
guys,
good
got
covered
hoping
out
with
leaves
okay
there
you
have
cash.
E
K
I
K
S
K
You
know
I
what
I
said
was
we
had
50
people
in
here.
We
have
this
wonderful
meeting
and
it
was
just
ungodly
hot
in
here,
I,
don't
know
how
the
man
who
was
given
the
presentation
was
able
to
continue.
It
was
just
steamy
so
since
this
is
a
can
decaf
accessible
meeting
room,
you
know
if
you
can't
it's
cold
tonight,
but.
K
R
You,
although
I
may
have
to
stall
briefly
since
we're
experiencing
some
technical
difficulties,
we're
very
fortunate
tonight
to
have
two
speakers
here:
Sara
Hartman
and
Brent
Hartman,
who
are
going
to
present
and
discuss
any
questions
or
concerns
we
may
have
regarding
the
Children's,
Museum
and
also
I,
think
general
educational
input
regarding
the
Children's
Museum.
That
is
being
discussed
about
for
you
stage,
treatment.
M
P
K
P
T
F
T
We've
been
working
on
a
project,
the
Ohio
Valley
Museum
of
discovery.
We
started
about
two
years
ago,
we'd
like
to
bring
a
Children's
Discovery
Museum
to
our
area.
I
think
it
was
in
this
area
for
educational
opportunities.
We
currently
have
seven
people
on
our
board.
Debbie
is
one
of
them.
They
also
have
Steve
fetch
he's
also
on
our
board,
and
we've
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
last
two
years.
P
Absolutely
we've
obtained
our
501c3
status,
we've
also,
which
I
always
do
this.
Whenever
I
give
this
presentation,
I
always
get
ahead
of
myself,
but
we've
also
been
working
with
the
voinovich
school
on
business
planning,
as
well
as
working
with
Gerard
hillford,
and
associates
this
local
national
museum
design
firm
on
the
visioning
process
and
getting
an
idea
of
what
the
museum
should
look
like.
We're
done.
T
F
T
T
Again,
we
feel
the
kids
learn
best
you're
doing
and
in
a
hands-on
manner,
which
is
what
the
Children's
Museum
offers
for
kids.
It's
not
the
kind
of
museum
that
you
would
picture
that
you
just
walk
in
and
look
at
exhibits
as
you're
walking
through,
but
you
actually
interact
and
get
into
the
exhibit
and
get
to
experience
things.
So
that's
what
we
would
like
to
offer
for
kids
we'd,
also
see
it
as
an
educational
resource
for
the
region,
for
teachers
and
for
parents.
T
There
are
a
lot
of
educational
standards
being
in
education
myself
that
it's
difficult
to
accomplish
when
you
are
a
classroom
teacher
and
we
see
ourselves
as
being
and
potential
resource
in
the
classroom
connecting
to
the
world.
This
is
a
pretty
small,
isolated
region.
So
if
we
can
help
kids
reach
out
and
see
the
greater
picture,
that
would
be
one
of
our
goals,
as
well
as
helping
them
instill
pride.
An
understanding
of
this
unique
region
that
we
live
in
and
that
we're
also
proud
of.
So
we
see
that
all
being
so.
P
All
that
being
said,
the
next
question
is:
how
do
we
get
to
having
this
museum
in
our
area,
and
we
believe
that
through
interactive
exhibits
that
involve
creative
play
and
allow
visitors
to
engage
in
cooperative
exploration
between
science,
art,
literature
and
culture
had
to
read
that
I'm
quite
memorized
that
one?
Yes,
we
believe
that
there
should
be.
There
are
linkages
between
all
of
these
different
areas
and
our
exhibits.
We
hope,
will
show
how
they're
connected.
P
P
T
In
working
with
Hilferty
and
associates,
they
have
helped
us
with
our
vision
and
going
forward,
but
they've
also
helped
us
develop
some
ideas
for
some
exhibits
and
have
agreed
to
help
us
in
the
future,
and
this
is
one
of
them.
It's
called
the
Hocking
Highway,
it's
a
water
exhibit
any
of
you.
Who've
ever
been
around.
Kids
know
how
much
kids
like
to
play
in
water
and
in
our
region.
It
has
a
lot
of
significance
in
talking
about
transportation
to
the
region.
In
talking
about
the
different
watersheds.
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Also,
teachers
could
look
at
different
climatic
and
precipitation
patterns,
so
many
different
things
we
could
do
in
addition
to
just
plain
old
play,
which
is
also
so
great
for
kids
and
is
right
now,
one
of
the
first
things
to
be
cut
oftentimes
in
classrooms,
because
teachers
are
so
worried
about
specific
objectives.
So
this
is
just
a
pretty
neat
little
mock-up.
We
were
pretty
excited
when
we
got
this
you'll.
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What's
next
and
obviously
we're
here,
hoping
that
we
can
secure
the
space
in
the
groundskeepers
house
on
East,
8th
Street,
which
we
all
know,
and
then
hopefully
we
can
secure
that
and
then
it's
a
matter
of
adapting
the
space
to
what
we
needed
to
be.
This
would
include
potentially
a
DA
compliance
if
necessary,
which
probably
will
be-
and
also
you
know.
Another
thing
I
would
want
to
say
about
the
house
in
particular,
is
that
this
is
not
a
long
term
location
for
us.
P
P
We're
going
to
continue
to
try
and
strengthen
our
partnerships
with
Hilferty,
with
one
of
its
cool
with
other
area
museums,
so
that
we're
not
duplicating
efforts.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
crucial
to
our
success
community
and,
of
course,
fundraising,
I
think.
Once
we
have
a
space,
we
can
show
people
what
we're
doing
I
think
it's
gonna
get
people
more
excited
about.
You
know
the
potential
and
get
people
to
give
us
more
money.
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So
we
really
feel
that
Athens
is
a
fantastic
place
to
live
and
that
by
adding
a
Children's
Museum,
it
just
makes
it
even
better
and
just
adds
one
more
thing
as
an
asset
for
families
trying
to
raise
children.
Now
we
have
one
last
thing:
we
want
to
show
you
steep
that
helped
us
design
or
helped
us
put
together
a
video.
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V
S
That's
a
good
question:
that's
a
good
question,
not
much.
Unfortunately,
we
have
a
lot
of
nice
outdoor
play
areas
here,
but
feeling
the
weather
brainy,
sometimes
you're,
just
stuck
in
house
trying
to
have
play
groups
with
other
parents
and
things,
but
it
would
be
nice
for
a
couple.
It's
we're
all
parents,
you
go
especially
things
that
are
different
kids
to
expand
their
minds
and
play
just
be
wonderful.
A
lot
addition
here
to
the
Athens
community.
V
U
T
R
E
T
We
would
have
to
build
a
ramp
outside
for
handicap
accessibility.
We
would
also
have
to
expand.
They
need
bathroom,
which,
in
looking
at
the
floor
plan,
doesn't
appear
to
be
that
difficult,
because
there's
a
large
pantry
behind
it
that
could
easily
be
expanded
into
we're.
Also,
we
also
talked
about
whether
some
of
the
walls
could
be
removed
to
open
up
a
little
bit.
It
is
surprisingly
open
in
one
area
of
the
downstairs,
which
is
where
we
would
plan
to
start.
L
P
I
mean:
is
it
ideal?
No,
but
it
would
be
a
place
to
get
started
and
to
get
people
excited
about
what
we're
doing.
We
have
the
room
to
do
that.
Here's
yeah
I
believe
there
is,
and
we
had
Chris
Lee
from
Hill
Trading
associates
come
and
look
at
the
at
the
house,
and
he
believed
that
we
would
be
able
to
to
do
what
we
want
to
do
at
least
initially
I.
I
I
W
E
T
P
It's
certainly
a
fantastic
location,
I
mean
there's
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if,
if
everything
happened
with
the
museum,
the
way
we
want
it
to
happen,
I
don't
I,
don't
think
it
would
be
an
adequate
space
based
on
our
visioning
that
we've
done
with
Hilferty,
which
now
granted
you
know
there
are
some
people
a
lot
of
things
that
may
or
may
not
be
possible.
However,
based
on
what
we've
told
them
you
know
it
would,
it
would
take
significantly
more
space
and
even
some
custom
building
to
really
make
that
happen.