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A
Good
evening
this
is
Athens
city
council
meeting
night
and
we
have
two
separate
three
separate
committee
meetings.
One
is
finance
and
personnel,
which
is
first
then,
the
Transportation
Committee
second
and
finally,
community
issues.
Third
and
Jim
sands
and
I
co-chair
the
finance
and
Personnel
Committee
in
the
first
item
is
minds.
It
has
to
do
with
James
Knapp,
who
was
injured
while
performing
his
duty
as
a
city,
firefighters
placed
on
medical
disability.
A
After
a
while
after
treatment,
then
he
was
allowed
to
come
back
to
light
duty,
but
at
the
administration
decision
at
that
time
he
was
not
allowed
to
come
back.
He
lost
his
some
Ohio
fire
and
police
pension
service,
credit
and
so
I'm
champion.
This
cause
and
I
may
be
all
alone,
because
I
feel
like
it's
a
sense
of
basic
fare
plain.
The
contract
is
silent
on
this
issue,
and
so
it's
not
a
matter
for
negotiations
at
this
time
it
might
in
the
future.
A
First,
let
me
make
the
point
that
since
James
Knapp
had
that
experience,
there
have
been
five
at
least
four
or
five
firefighters
have
had
the
same
experience
and
have
been
allowed
to
come
back
on.
On
my
duty,
I,
don't
know
what
issue
the
service
director
was
was
operating
under
at
the
time,
but
he
refused
this,
even
though
the
workers
comp
people
had
said
it
was
okay.
The
other
thing
that
I
think
is
important
is
when
the
various
times
I've
been
chair,
an
administrator
at
the
University.
A
It
was
always
the
case
that
there
were
procedures
at
law
that
got
you
into
the
position
where
you
knew
that
your
pension
had
to
be
paid.
If
you
were
in
Japan
or
whatever
or
else
or
if
you
were
on
leave
or
pregnancy
leaver.
Whatever
else
was
happening,
and
so
you
know
it
seemed
to
me
that
one
single
person,
this
is
James
nabis,
is
suffering
as
a
consequence,
and
just
because
it
was
in
the
wrong
place
with
his
bad
back
at
the
wrong
time,
and
he
did
hurt
it
and
he
didn't
follow
the
barstool.
A
He
heard
it
while
he
was
working
on
the
fire
trucks
and
and
again,
let
me
read
stress
that
our
contract
is
silent
on
this.
He
started
to
do,
or
it's
at
least
faint.
If
non-existent,
he
started
the
process
once
he
was
notified
that
he
would
have
to
work
another
year.
I
think
that
anybody
who's
knows
people
with
bad
backs
understand
as
you
get
older,
it
gets
more
dicey
and
I,
don't
know
how
that
will
serve
him,
but
and
he
can't
I,
don't
suppose
I.
A
You
know,
I
didn't
ask
him
straight
up,
but
it's
about
$4,600
to
replace
the
pension
when
he
was
denied
the
right
to
work.
Heaven
knows
we
could
have
used
the
inspection
work
at
that
time,
but
it
didn't
get
done
now.
It
is
being
done
as
I
said
before,
and
so
we
have
this
request.
Some
of
you
admit,
all
of
you
I
think
got
a
letter
from
him
and
he's
asked
us.
He
was
told
by
the
personnel
director
that,
if
it
was
going
to
happen,
council
would
have
to
do
it
and
so
on.
A
I
would
like
to
him
put
it
up
next
time
and
if
we'll
move
I,
if
you
want
to,
we
can
suspend
the
rules.
If
you
want
to
vote
it
down,
you
can
vote
it
down.
He
knows
where
to
go
next.
If
that's
the
way
it's
going
to
be,
but
fundamentally
that's
where
I
know,
I,
don't
know
that
I
want
to
suspend
the
rules.
I've
been
avoiding
suspending
the
rules
for
three
months.
Why
would
I
do
it
on
this,
but
fundamentally,
every
month
we
wait.
It
goes
up
in
price.
A
I
Paul
said
he's
gonna
go
with
Beverley,
but
we're
a
different
entity.
Aren't
we
we
can
say
this
guy
isn't
was
not
treated
the
same
as
his
fellow
workers
have
a
little
compassion.
So
basically
that's
the
situation.
The
ordinance
looks
like
it
just
has
the
same,
whereas
is
that
I
just
articulated
he
would
have
to
be
injured
on
you
know
we're
setting
up
a
series
of
conditions.
A
You'd
have
to
be
injured
while
performing
his
studi
medical
disability,
medical
release
to
return
to
light
duty
by
workers
comp
denied
by
the
city
administration,
saying
that
modified
duty
was
not
available
and
therefore
he
lost
his
pension
service
and
he
sat
around
I
guess
while
he
was
on
insured
on
leave
was
not
able
to
continue.
So
that's
where
it
is
any
comments,
questions
I
know:
Patrick,
Scott,
try.
A
B
B
B
I
also
think
that
this
ordinance
is
a
noble
attempt
to
right
or
wrong.
However,
I
also
think
that
this
ordinance
well-intentioned
as
it
is,
sets
a
dangerous
precedent
and
has
the
potential
to
get
the
city
into
trouble
down
the
road.
This
employee,
in
this
case,
is
a
member
of
a
Smith
bargaining
units
which
has
a
negotiated
collective
bargaining
agreement
with
the
city
of
Athens
that
collective
bargaining
agreement
calls
for
a
grievance
procedure,
which
was
bargained
and,
in
this
case
a
grievance,
was
in
fact
filed.
B
The
Union,
however,
withdrew
this
grievance
and
chose
not
to
pursue
it.
So,
in
my
opinion,
this
is
a
proper
subject
for
bargaining,
and
so
now
we
basically
have
a
request:
not
not
really
go
around
the
procedures,
because
his
member
Bane
says
there's
nothing.
That
directly
speaks
to
this
particular
issue
in
the
contract,
but
we
have
something
that
we
have
a
request
to
to
grant
relief,
in
addition
to
that
which
would
be
called
for
under
the
collective
bargaining
agreement
and
to
grant
direct
relief
to
a
single
employee.
B
B
However,
the
question
then
becomes
that
what
happens
the
next
time,
an
employee
of
the
city
is
not
happy
with
a
decision
that
they
get
out
of
the
administration
or
is
not
happy
with
the
result
of
a
grievance
that
they
file
through
their
union.
Will
they
come
to
this
City
Council
and
also
request
some
kind
of
special
relief
or
direct
relief?
And,
moreover,
if
the
City
Council
at
that
time
should
choose
not
to
intervene
and
not
grant
done
relief.
Then
we've
created
a
double
standard.
B
B
A
B
Sure,
madam
chair
all
I've,
seen
on
this
is
a
letter
from
Ashley
council
8
to
the
Service
Safety
Director
at
the
time
date
of
November
6th
of
last
year
and
which
it
just
states
that
the
Union
says
quote
after
reviewing
the
grievance.
Please
be
advised
that
the
union
is
withdrawing
the
grievance
from
any
further
proceedings
without
prejudice
and
that
it
does
not
speak
to
those
issues.
So
if
there's
more
information
to
that,
it
wasn't
in
the
packet
that
I
was
playing.
Okay,.
A
B
I
think
I'm
speaking
to
a
slightly
different
question
than
you
are
I'm,
not
speaking
necessarily
to
it
the
same
outcomes
rather
to
the
same
procedure
that
the
same
procedures
being
followed.
Whereas
you
know
that's
is
an
administrative
call
that
the
service
safety
director
chose
to
make
and
and
for
as
much
as
we
may
not
think
that
that
was
the
right
call
to
make.
B
A
B
Want
to
be
very
clear
that
I'm
not
looking
to
the
specific
facts
of
this
case
because
I'm,
because
again,
this
is
not
for
me
about
this
particular
employee.
This
is
about
a
precedent
that
we're
setting
as
to
whether
or
not
City
Council
wants
to
get
involved.
These
fights
and
I'm
just
again
do
my
duty
to
try
to
keep
us
out
of
trouble
number.
E
C
A
Addressing
yeah
they'll
probably
assist
grievance
and
they'll
cost
more,
but
you
know
I
mean
I,
that's
not
the
threat.
My
my
basic
position
is
fair.
Is
it
fair?
What
happened
to
this
guy
and
my
aunt-
and
you
know,
even
the
lodge
rector
said-
stinks-
sounds
like
something
I'd
say
it
actually,
and
so
that's
the
last.
My
only
position
I'm
not
worried
about
precedent.
I
guess
I
should
maybe
I
should
be
that's.
What
Pat
was
here
telling
us
I.
D
F
I
have
some
concerns
as
well,
in
the
sense
that
this
does
stink
and
I
appreciate
you
fighting
for
an
employee
of
the
city
who
has
served
the
community
for
a
number
of
years.
I'm
guessing
and
I
have
not
had
a
chance
to
speak
with
them.
He
did
leave
his
number
with
us
on
the
letter
having
been
out
of
town
last
weekend,
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
it
until
just
now,
but
I
I,
I
guess
I
might
perhaps
be.
It
might
be
short-sighted
on
my
part,
to
worry
about
the
future,
as
mr.
F
A
G
G
G
Time,
I
guess
I
too,
have
never
learned
Patrick.
You
know
where
angels
fear
to
tread
here
and
to
disagree
with
my
good
friend
Nancy
vain,
it's
never
something
I'd
relish
doing.
You
want
to
do
and
never
serve
me
well
and
I
continue
to
seem
to
on
occasion
do
it
and
on
this
one
I
would
reiterate
everything
that
the
mall
director
has
said,
but
for
a
couple
of
other
reasons,
also
every
time
I
have
found
myself
and
I.
G
Think
most
of
the
people
here
know
that
I
have
grand
large
organizations
with
hundreds
of
employees
for
25
years
now
and
have
found
myself
in
multiple
hearings
with
these
kind
of
cases
on
appeal
and
otherwise,
and
almost
every
time.
One
of
the
questions
that
a
hearing
officer
always
goes
over
is
has
the
person
complaining
followed
every
opportunity
at
redress
that
they
have
so
when
there
are
other
routes
to
go.
Certainly
short
of
this
body.
G
G
You
know,
I
would
just
think
that
this
employee
has
other
redress
to
go
through
before
coming
here
now.
I,
don't
know
the
specifics
on
why
the
Union
withdrew
its
grievance.
Maybe
it
was
bargained
away
with
something
else.
I
don't
know.
I
do
know
that
workers
comp
back
injuries
are
something
you
better
tread
on
softly
because
I've
had
whole
wings
on
a
shift
at
a
nursing
home
all
of
a
sudden
decide
they
had
a
back
injury
and
you
cannot
prove
or
disprove.
Somebody
has
back
injury
and
anyone.
G
G
So
I
would
be
really
really
careful
in
taking
this
one
on
I
really
think
that
legislation
that
is
designed
to
benefit
one
person
is
dangerous
and
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
a
legislative
individual
that
is
trying
to
address
and
wrong
man.
That's
a
noble
thing
and
trying
to
make
something:
fair,
gosh,
that's
a
good
thing
and
I
appreciate
what
you're
trying
to
do
that
I.
Do
what
the
water
doctor
investor
garden
I!
Do
that
representing
the
administration
tonight
do
fill
its
misguided.
A
Workers
comp
currently
sends
people
back
and
we
put
them
on
like
duty,
there's
been
other
fire
fighters
since
that
time
it
didn't
lose
their
pension
for
the
time
they
were
laid
up,
as
they
say
with
a
bad
back.
That's
basically
a
fact
we
are
dealing,
so
he
is
stinking
up
all
right.
So
enough
of
my
crusader
rabbit
approach,
I'm
gonna,
move
on
to
the
next
item
is
no
one
has
anything
to
say,
and
that
would
be
june.
H
Creation
comments
from
the
auditor
I
think
everybody
ended
up
getting
a
list
of
these
issues
that
actually
mayor
while
and
top
two
to
me
last
week
about
some
of
these
and
caffeine
heck.
The
auditor
was
there
the
mayor's
out
of
town,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
her
HEC
to
touch
on
each
of
these
six
or
eight
issues
that
we
need
to
deal
with
with
ordinances
next
week.
J
I
The
additional
$100,000
from
the
general
fund
to
the
cap
fund
for
the
ladder
truck
council
already
just
last
week
finished
appropriating
a
hundred
odd
thousand
dollars
from
the
cap
fund
for
the
ladder
truck
into
cash
from
the
general
fund
into
Cathy,
and
then
we've
had
discussions
about
the
increased
revenue
from
estate
taxes
this
year,
and
so
there
were
some
people
who
wanted
to
put
another
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
there
to
get
that
in
the
cap
line
to
start
building
up
that
money.
Since
it's
so
much
that's
needed,
and
so
it's
really
up
to
Council.
I
If
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
move
that
I
did
contact
the
other
state's
office
and
found
out
that
that
money
does
need
to
be
receded
into
the
general
fund.
And
then
you
cannot
just
start
putting
all
of
our
estate
taxes
into
the
cat
fund.
But
we
can
certainly
put
it
into
the
general
fund
and
move
it
as
just
delicious.
H
A
I
H
J
H
H
I
Next,
one
on
my
list
is,
as
do
police
uniforms,
an
additional
appropriation
of
$15,000
I.
Think
most
everybody
here
of
saw
the
police
chief
sort
of
came
from
captain
foul.
Maybe
they
have
new
officer
coming
on
in
their
initial
issue,
uniform,
etc
as
a
little
bit
costly
plus
their
other
hormones.
So
that's
what
that's
for.
J
I
Other
one,
this
one
that
I
wanted
to
put
this
in
your
pack-
and
we
talked
about
this
before-
is
the
auditor
treasurer
fees
for
the
county.
If
you
look
at
the
next
page
and
this
little
packet,
I
gave
you
about
halfway
right,
the
middle
one,
a
11.5
three
five,
three
hundred
rupees,
as
you
will
see
that
at
this
point
in
May,
which
isn't
even
quite
halfway
through
the
year,
we
have
used
up
all
of
our
procreation
in
that
line,
and
so
I
would
like
to
appropriation.
I
We
appropriate
twenty
four
thousand
originally
for
this
year,
I'd
like
to
appropriate
another
twenty
five
thousand,
because
we
aren't
quite
halfway
through
the
year.
Actually,
this
is
just
May
and
then
I
added
a
couple
of
pages.
I
killed
another
tree
today.
Just
to
let
you
know,
people
on
council
now
aren't
familiar
with
this
stuff.
These
are
just
samples
of
the
apportionment
sheets
that
we
get
from
the
county
auditor
and
it
shows
in
the
middle
the
deductions
that
are
taken
for
their
fees
and
it's
certainly
based
on
the
amount
of
money.
I
Sometimes
fifteen
dollar
manufactured
home
tax
revenue
and
they
take
a
dollar
27
out
of
it
or
something
like
that.
But,
as
you
see
from
these
two
pages,
there
are
several
fees
that
come
out.
These
fees
are
taken
out,
you
know
before
we
even
get
on
that's
what
we
get
is
the
bottom
line
after
the
fees.
I
We
will
owe
three
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
for
our
owd
a
loans
and
we
are
are
doing
really
well.
You
know,
we've
changed
the
mix,
so
the
money
we're
putting
into
the
debt
fund
as
opposed
to
the
sewer
fund.
The
issue
now
is:
we
expect
the
service
charges
to
cover
that,
but
the
problem
is,
we
have
to
start
our
process
for
paying
this,
which
are
like
first
before
we
get
our
end
of
June
receipts.
Okay,
any
questions
about
that,
so
we
won't.
I
Had
to
have
you
know,
written
this
check
and
cetera.
So
what
I
would
like
to
have
is
permission
to
borrow
or
you
can
just
do
transfer.
However,
you
want
to
word
it
up
to
twenty
thousand
dollars
from
the
general
fund
and
to
sewer
debt,
and
then
it
would
be
transfer
back.
You
know
probably
July
when
the
receipts
are
and
we
have
because
while
the
money
is
appropriated,
we
know
what
we
have
to
spend.
The
actual
fund
balance
is
not
going
to
be
in
there
probably.
I
H
I
K
I
I
We
had
already
appropriated
the
money
for
the
grant,
and
so
I
had
counseled
unappropriated,
just
very
recently,
yellow
sixty
five,
oh
eight,
and
then,
when
we
looked
into
our
system
and
I
actually
kind
of
thought
this,
but
I
couldn't
find
it
when
I
look,
and
so
what
happened
was
we
had
rather
than
one
payment
we
were
covered,
we
covered
for
one
payment
that
we
knew.
We
would
have
that
we
had
to
fourth
quarter.
Payment
would
always
have
been
in
2002
the
next
year,
but
we
also
had
a
prior
year
payment
that
we
had
to
pay.
I
I
Last
year,
when
we
were
talking
about
the
water
fund,
we
thought
we
were
gonna
pay
this
$200,000
off.
But
then
we
transferred
money
for
the
redtag
fees
out
of
water
into
sewer,
and
so
they
didn't
quite
have
the
carryover
that
we
thought
so
we
appropriated
and
transferred
from
the
water
fund
to
the
water
depth
fund.
Two
hundred
and
seven
thousand
two
hundred
dollars
in
4408
in
actuality.
We
already
had
appropriated
the
two
hundred
thousand
and
all
we
really
needed
was
the
seven.
I
J
E
I
do
have
one
question
of
Kathy,
and
this
is
just
my
not
being
is
familiar
with
procedures,
but
I'm
back
up
to
the
ordinance
of
authorizing.
The
loan
from
the
general
fund
of
sewer
I
mean.
Is
that
because
of
a
standard
accounting
procedure
that
you're
not
able
you're
not
allowed
or
by
auditors
standards
you're
not
supposed
to
take
that
into
a
negative
balance.
Right.
I
J
I
Fun
in
our
system
that
fund
accounting
keeps
everything
separate,
and
so,
when
we
appropriate,
we
counsel
appropriate
to
the
beginning
of
the
year.
We
know
we're
gonna
bring
in
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
sewer
service
charges
throughout
the
year,
but
we
won't
have
all
those
charges
you
know
halfway
through
the
year
and
so,
if
we
have
a
bill
to
pay,
you
know
the
money
isn't
actually
in
that
fund
account
line.
So.
I
From
that
account
for
you,
so
we
would
do
that.
The
only
funds
that
we
can
really
do
that
with
are
the
general
fund
and
the
cap
fund
general
fund
money
can
be
spent
anywhere,
doesn't
work.
The
other
way
with
almost
any
other
funds
cap
money
can
be,
but
so
in
the
general
fund
has
you
know
that
much
money
that
they
could
loan
to
the
sewer
fund?
Temporarily,
but
yes,
I
mean
you
can't
just
borrow
willy-nilly
for
meetings,
one
fund
to
another,
as
you
please,
the
general
fund
money
can
be
spent
anywhere.
I
L
L
M
L
G
F
L
F
H
I
I
Want
to
add
a
couple
things
because
I've
been
working
with
rich
and
Emily,
and
the
mayor
on
the
recreation
budget,
which
includes
antenna
which
includes
arts
West
budget
in
our
discussions.
Emily
has
applied
for
actually
three
grants
already
and
is
planning
to
apply
for
another
one
to
try
to
get
this
paid
for
the
two
of
them.
I
Not
just
you
know,
expecting
us
to
come
up
with
the
money
that
she's
trying
to
they
were
turned
down
by
Alanis
and,
as
I
said
this
day,
but
in
there
she's
applying
to
the
Gotham
governor's
office
of
Appalachia
this
past
weekend
and
is
going
to
apply
to
Buckeye
Hills
development
district
office.
So
she's
still
trying.
L
L
G
J
M
I'm
not
quite
sure
who
did
address
this
too,
but
and
there's
that
don't
think
there's
an
official
policy
of
the
city.
Now
we're
looking
at
the
long
term
costs
and
environmental
impacts.
Do
we
know
the
efficiency
of
what
just
going
to
be
put
in
order?
Then,
if
it's
Energy
Star
rated
and
outright
assume
that
we
don't
right
now
and
I,
don't
want
to
hold
this
up,
I
wouldn't
hold
it
up,
but
I
would
I
would
ask
that
that
be
somehow
examined
in
terms
of
cost
and
and
long
term
cost
efficient.
N
N
N
J
M
J
I
E
N
They've
got
it
going
so
that
it's
not
totally
unusable.
Now
we
wouldn't
be
having
people
in
there.
If
there
was
a
serious
health
problem,
they've
got
the
doors
open.
We
aren't
into
lights
at
all
until
this
weekend,
the
heavy
lighting
thing.
If
we
can
get
some
air
conditioning
in
there
right
away,
we
open
a
week
from
this
weekend.
N
L
H
J
A
E
H
L
L
L
I
L
O
O
G
H
H
L
H
K
H
C
H
Now
we're
going
to
talk
about
2009,
budget
planning,
I
think
remember:
bein
wants
us
to
talk
about
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
to
explain
our
thought
process.
This
is
June
already.
You
know.
The
second
half
of
the
year
is
approaching
these
days
here
and
from
experience.
We
know
that
this
second
half
flies
by.
We
usually
schedule
all
this
off,
and
so
we
come
back
in
September
and
we're
faced
with
Halloween.
H
A
Have
a
handout
and
what
I
know
I
don't
intend
to
do
this
next
time
we
meet
for
water
and
sewer
or
some
other
two
funds
and
just
I
think
most
of
us
lack
clear
understanding
of
where
the
money
comes
from
I
mean
it's.
This
is
the
definitely
an
engine
for
by
the
users.
The
user
fee
generated
fund
I
used
2006,
because
I
had
a
complete
run
of
information
on
that
and
the
one
thing
that
I
think
is
interesting
is
that
we
are
in
2006.
A
We
generated
less
we're
going
to
expend
on
our
contract
next
year,
which
is
why
we
raise
the
rates
but
notice
that
recycling
charges
roughly
about
1/4
of
the
cost,
and
then
special
halls
ends
up
being
pretty
small,
but
service
charges
about
half,
and
then
you
have
some
other
different
things
that
are
added
together
into
it
to
come
up
with
them.
The
total
and
I
used
Excel
and
I
hope
to
god.
I
didn't,
add
2006
to
it
and
then
the
expenditure
pattern
you
have
the
contract.
Taking
most
of
the
money
supplies
software.
A
A
This
is
much
more
complex
than
in
because
we
have
higher
that's
why
2006
is
the
basis,
but
we
have
now
the
garbage
litter
control
person
out
of
this
fund,
and
that's
what's
going
on
here,
so
revenue
expenditures,
you
can
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
if
there's
anything
in
there.
You
want
to
to
go
over
look
at
consider
at
a
future
meeting
and
I
have
a
series
of
questions.
A
The
supplies
that
we
paid
out
for
twenty
three
thousand
included
recycling,
bins,
services
at
that
time,
included
Athens,
County,
Health
Department
and,
in
turn,
mailing
and
I
made
a
note
that
I'd
like
to
know
the
real
cost
of
the
having
an
outside
agency.
Do
the
mailing
household,
hazardous
waste
program
is
something
that
we
did
before
and
got
a
lot
of
kudos
for,
and
should
we
be
doing
it
next
year,
litter
control
and
then
the
other
thing
and
I
know.
This
is
mainly
directed
toward
the
large
big
picture
here
and
I
just
thought.
A
Maybe
we
could
look
at
two
things:
2003
2007,
2003,
I,
converted
everything
to
tons
as
you
can
see
our
and
I'm
in
2007
January
through
December.
In
most
cases,
our
recycling
tonnage
was
a
downing
with
the
exception
of
clear
gas,
glass,
iron
and
mingle
plastic
everything
else.
We
were
collecting
less
than
2007
than
we
did
in
2003,
for
whatever
reason
I
explanation
could
easily
be
that
aluminum
is
75
cents,
a
pound.
Why
wouldn't
you
take
it
yourself
and
it
and
redeem
it?
If
you
had
a
you,
know,
financial
sure,
shortcomings
or
whatever,
but
anyway.
A
A
We
have
a
system
that
relies
on
a
very
small
kind
of
250
per
unit
per
year
for
individuals,
but
all
the
people,
picking
it
up
and
processing
it,
our
paid
by
selling
the
materials-
and
you
know
that's
part
of
this
kind
of
balanced
situation
we
have
going
on,
and
then
you
can
take
a
look
at
amber
brown,
glass
I'm,
one
of
our
largest
items.
I
can't
imagine
what
we're
we're
we're
getting
all
that
Brown
and
it's
going
for
$25
a
ton
and
8000
is
generating
clear
glass.
A
Not
so
much
iron
you
can
see,
scrap
metal,
scrap
metal
is
up.
The
habitat
made
quite
a
bit
of
money
last
year
on
it.
Steel
pans,
mingled
plastic
is
up
cardboard,
always
a
winner
of
a
hundred
and
four
dollars
a
ton.
It
could
be
even
more
than
that
and
I'd,
like
you
all
to
notice
that
cardboard
buy.
You
know
two
times
the
coal
or
cardboard
they're
about
the
same
amount
of
money.
It's
kind
of
amazing,
then
the
coal
just
creates
problem
in
the
environment.
A
The
cardboard
cleans
up
comes
back
to
us
in
cereal
boxes
magazine
newspapers.
You
can
see
all
the
different
tangents
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
important.
The
sorted
office
is
there
for
160
dollars,
a
ton,
that's
what
we're
getting
in
there
getting
and
that's
why
we
can
employ
twenty
some
odd
people
out
there
doing
the
work
and
you
can
see
there's
the
amount
for
that
was
generated.
The
shift
column-
and
this
is
very
important-
includes
a
broker
fee
and
shipping.
A
So
once
it's
all
bailed
and
at
the
curtain
them
the
materials
are
not
worth
that
much
sitting
at
the
curb
site,
but
collecting
them.
Putting
them
together
in
a
bale
means
that
they're
worth
more
money
and
if
them
alahu
feels
like
I'm
being
didactic,
I
think
I
am.
But
what
I'm
trying
to
talk
about
is,
if
we
commingle,
then
it
will
be
going
out
at
this
price.
That's
gonna
be
going
on
at
five
dollars
a
ton
and
we're
gonna
be
carrying
it
out.
A
C
A
A
I
wouldn't
have
dreamed
of
taking
a
vehicle
out
of
the
county
or
even
off
campus
on
a
field
trip
without
clearing
it,
without
stating
it
without
explicitly
stating
where
I
was
going.
How
much
miles
I
was
doing
what
my
principal
activity
was.
You
know
so
know
that
you
know
absolutely
I
think
we
need
to
if
we're
using
public
money.
We
need
to
introduce
accountability
which
is
absent
in
this
old
CNA
policy
and
procedure
manual,
and
so
I.
Don't
know
how
it
happens.
I,
don't
think
counsel
should
be
doing
it,
but
I
do
think.
A
We
need
to
have
a
differentiation
between
in
transit
and
out-of-town
transit
and
a
more
accountability
to
the
to
the
voters,
to
the
taxpayers,
to
the
users.
So
I
know
it's
six
months.
We
talked
about
it
earlier
and
that's
just
my
hobby
horseback
any
questions
but
laughing
at
me.
Debbie
laughs,
I'll
be
away
too
much
miscellaneous.
A
A
G
G
How
can
we
get
people
to
start
feeling
as
good
about
recycling
today,
as
they
did
back
then,
because
I
do
know
that
if
people
kind
of
went
to
a
kicking
and
screaming
and
in
no
time
flat,
well
I
felt
good
about
what
they
were
doing
and
at
a
time
that
we
are
all
trying
to
feel
so
green
about
what
we
do.
These
numbers,
I,
don't
think,
can
all
be
explained
away
by
anything
short
of
maybe
we're
getting
a
little
lazy
in
not
making
sure
that
it
gets
where
it
needs
to
be
and
I
know.
G
G
Responsible
for
that
much
other,
you
know
if
all
of
us
fruits
just
a
couple
of
things
away,
but
we
should
recycle
because
it's
easy
and
quick-
that's
what's
had
to
happen
here
now.
We
can
explain
some
of
it
away
with
a
few
of
the
things
that
you've
said,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
it
down
to
couple
of
leaves,
and
we
need
to
really
make
sure
that
people
realize
that
the
solid
waste
stream
is
getting
worse
and
it's
it's
kind
of
like
oil.
G
The
places
that
we
have
to
put
this
stuff
is
running
out
and
the
cost
of
opening
up
new
ones,
which
is
always
what
led
us
to
this
program.
To
begin
with,
in
addition
to
energy
savings,
I,
remember
somebody
saying
you
can
fill
up
a
aluminum
can
halfway
with
gasoline
and
that's
how
much
energy
it
takes
to
make
a
new
aluminum
can,
and
it
takes
hardly
anything
to
melt
that
one
down
and
remould
a
new
aluminum
can
so
I.
Don't
know
we
need
to
somehow
figure
out
how
to
beat
this
drama.
Some
more.
Maybe.
A
The
cable
guys
Canal+
I,
don't
know
other
people
have
idea
sigh
I
also
want
to
before
we
go
any
further,
not
to
take
anywhere
any
kind
of
credit
for
this,
because
recycling
in
this
town
started
as
a
grassroots
effort.
It
was
started
by
people
like
Tom,
O'grady
and
Newman
donek
Goodman,
Bob
Eichenberg.
They
were
in
their
salad
days
and
they
were
out
at
the
mall
collecting
stuff
with
projects
sort
and
so
I
think
you
know
all
of
us
have
participated,
but
you
have
to
give
those
guys
credit.
Let
me
just
start
with
that.
Talk
away.
A
H
A
tough
town,
Business
Association
meeting
in
this
room
Wednesday
morning,
May
3rd,
a
speaker
will
be
talking
about
uptown,
revitalization
and
also
the
clean
committee
will
be
talking
about
their
proposal
for
recycling
in
the
Uptown
area,
which
has
been
sorely
slippin
recently.
So
they
have
some
solid
suggestions
for
that
recycling
program
to
start
in
September,
so
I
think
all
council
members
should
have
received
an
email
and
Gavin
check
your
email.
Yet,
like
me,
there's
an
invitation
there
to
attend
this
meeting
and.
C
C
E
D
F
They
should
be
high,
and
I,
too,
have
heard
similar
concerns
about
the
larger
apartment
complexes
struggling
with
the
recycling
programs
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it.
I'm
guessing
is
education
and
and
then
developing
a
pattern
or
a
routine.
Most
of
us
are
creatures
of
routine
or
pattern,
and
if
we
can
get
in
that
pattern
or
educate
and
help
communicate
how
to
create
that
that
routine
that'll
move
the
city
and
help
the
recycling
cause.
I'm.
Also
thinking
that,
as
mr.
sands
presented
to
us,
that
Wednesday's
meeting
will
be
helpful.
F
I
think
that
I'm
sure
that
the
city
or
in
assisting
some
of
the
business
owners
of
town
or
the
bars
that
might
benefit
recycling
as
well
I,
don't
know
how
well
or
how,
how
they're
doing
with
recycling
they
I
know
they
use
a
lot
of
glass
and-
and
that
might
be
something
that
we
may
want
to
help,
encourage
them
to
consider
and
look
at
or
aid
in
that
process,
because
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
lot
there,
it's
not
getting
recycled
and
being
thrown
out.
Instead.
C
So
take
your
beer
bottles
anything
else,
Ben.
E
O
Prepared
statement
tonight
for
this
one,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
Athens
City
Council,
thank
you
for
having
me
this
evening.
I
come
before
you
request
your
consideration
for
funding
the
design
engineering
for
the
redesign
of
the
Richland
Avenue
682
intersection
and
the
repair
of
the
Richland
Avenue
bridge
of
the
Hocking
river.
The
current
bridge
was
built
in
1969.
The
majority
of
the
bridge
substructure
and
superstructure
is
still
in
good
condition.
However,
the
concrete
deck
is
deteriorating
rapidly
due
to
high
traffic,
extensive,
stop
start
motion
and
a
great
deal
of
Road
sold
in
1997.
O
O
O
O
O
Potential
roadway
improvements,
what
I
got
involved
shortly
thereafter
in
2003,
this
intersection
was
identified
as
78
on
Ohio's
high
crash
list.
As
a
result,
ODOT
funded
an
intersection
safety
study,
which
was
then
updated
in
2005,
identifying
the
need
for
safety
improvements.
This
study
and
the
ranking
heard
the
city
a
federal
safety
grant
to
improve
this
intersection.
O
Since
then,
the
intersection
has
fallen
off
the
statewide
high
crash
list,
but
the
funding
was
already
programmed,
so
we
will
still
receive
the
money
if
we
move
forward
on
this
project
to
ensure
there
was
someone
to
Shepherd
the
process,
the
former
administration
waited
until
I
returned
from
iraq
at
the
end
of
2006.
To
move
forward
on
this
project.
Upon
my
return
on
the
term
of
the
bridge
and
intersection
were
closely
related
and
convinced
ODOT
to
synchronize
our
two
federal
grants
into
one
project.
O
In
2007
we
created
a
seven
member
selection
committee
consisting
of
me
Grady
Haslett,
Pam
Callahan
of
oh
you,
Amy
flowers
of
City,
Council,
Delia,
Raph
of
the
Southside
neighborhood
association,
Amanda
headstock
of
the
ODU
Student
Senate
and
Tom
wolf
for
prominent
area
cyclists.
This
committee
followed
Ohio's
qualifications
based
selection
law,
conducting
an
exhaustive
review
of
17
engineering
firms
to
select
a
consultant
in
the
fourth
last
year,
this
body
appropriated
$200,000
for
preliminary
engineering.
O
To
date
we
spent
one
hundred
and
sixty-five
thousand
dollars
of
that
conducting
detailed
traffic
studies,
preliminary
surveys,
environmental
analysis,
alternative
development
and
seeing
extensive,
extensive
public
input
on
the
project.
The
citizen
requests
during
this
public
improvement,
correction,
public
involvement
process,
environmental
clearance
costs
and
construction
cost
inflation
resulted
in
approximately
1.5
million
dollars
more
in
improvements
than
the
2005
safety
study
recommendations
suggested
primarily
with
regards
to
pedestrian
and
bicycle
safety.
O
This
is
paired
with
an
already
programmed
project.
Oda
district
10
personnel
believe
will
be
successful
once
the
Transportation
Enhancement
grant
is
awarded,
the
city
of
Athens
will
potentially
be
the
recipient
of
over
4.5
million
dollars
in
federal
transportation
money.
Four
point:
five
million
dollars,
I
save,
potentially
because
we
will
only
receive
it
if
we
go
through
with
the
project.
It
is
not
free
money.
The
program
requires
a
certain
amount
of
local
match.
O
That
is,
we
must
paint
completely
for
the
design,
engineering
and
normally
20%
of
construction,
primarily
because
of
the
National
Environmental
Policy
Act
of
1969.
There
are
a
large
number
of
strings
attached
to
this
federal
money,
driving
up
the
upfront
cost
of
design
for
projects
this
size
NEPA
requires
an
eight
step
project
development
process,
which
involves
extensive
public
involvement,
right
away,
clearance,
environmental
review
and
alternative
analysis,
in
addition
to
a
set
of
plans
and
specs.
All
this
is
expensive
and
is
included
in
a
locally
Portia.
O
O
O
Our
share
could
be
as
high
as
1.7
million
dollars,
which
we
will
pay
for
over
four
years,
and
one
hundred
and
sixty
five
thousand
of
this
has
already
spent
getting
us
through.
The
initial
portions
I
have
submitted
a
five-year
capital
projects,
transportation
plan
to
the
mayor
and
Chris
nicely
as
the
transportation
chair,
I,
believe.
Our
revenue
in
the
two
to
five
two
to
six
and
five
seven
to
fund
lines
can
support
this
project,
as
well
as
several
others.
Tonight,
I'm
asking
you
to
consider
funding
the
rest
of
the
design
costs
for
this
project.
O
The
consultants
proposal
is
seven
hundred
and
seven
thousand
dollars,
which
is
higher
than
my
original
cost
estimates
of
three
hundred
fifty
to
five
hundred
thousand
dollars.
My
original
estimate
fell
short
because
the
project
grew
due
to
needs
identified
by
the
public
and
environmental
consultant
during
the
preliminary
agent
engineering
over
the
last
year,
we
reached
this
amount
of
seven
hundred
seven
dollars
after
recent
hard
negotiations
with
the
consultant,
where
they
eventually
lowered
their
price
by
thirty
thousand
dollars,
as
the
design
engineering
will
take
place
over
two
thousand
eight
and
two
thousand
nine.
O
O
Of
the
foreign
five
thousand
dollars,
ODOT
recommends
and
I
still
plan
on
requesting
a
proposal
from
the
second
place.
Engineering
firm
on
our
selection
list
for
comparison,
but
I
do
not
expect
massive
differences
and
I
want
to
get
the
ball
rolling
on
the
appropriations
for
design.
I
recently
conducted
preliminary
engineering
studies
yield
at
the
Richland
682
intersections
sustained
73
crashes
over
the
last
four
years.
For
a
rate
of
two
point,
three
six
per
million
vehicles
entering
the
intersection,
a
quote
safe
intersection,
has
a
rating
less
than
one.
The.
O
O
This
project
is
a
chance
to
fix
that
three
of
our
six
bridges
that
we
maintain
are
rated
structurally
deficient.
This
project
is
an
opportunity
to
fix
one
of
those
you
and
I
both
have
heard
from
countless
citizens
that
they
want
a
better
way
to
bike
and
walk
between
the
Center
City
and
the
Southside
crossing
the
river
and
682.
This
project
is
a
chance
to
show
our
commitment
to
walkability
and
bikeability
that
set
forth
in
our
comprehensive
plan.
O
Lastly,
given
that
all
three
grants
are
coming
together
at
once,
this
is
perhaps
the
only
chance
in
our
lifetimes
to
create
the
premier
gateway
of
any
city
in
the
region
or
perhaps
the
entire
state.
We
do
not
want
to
turn
away
4.5
million
dollars.
I
realize
this
is
a
big
financial
commitment
which
can
be
frightening,
but
I
believe
the
need
is
great
and
our
vision,
our
budget.
O
E
Thank
You
Street,
director
Stone,
yes,
and
thanks
for
being
here,
presenting
the
information
and
then
we
also,
as
he
mentioned,
have
income
estimates
for
the
street
funds
that
he
has
checked
in
consultation
with
the
city
auditor
Cathy
head
so
do
it?
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
that
they'd
like
to
address
to
Andy
or
Apollo
or
Cathy
Kent.
E
F
Say
briefly,
Thank
You
mr.
stone.
It
was
very
well
put
together
presentation
and
I
appreciate
all
the
homework
you
did
and
not
presenting
to
us
today,
and
thank
you
also
for
applying
for
that
third
grant,
which
I
think
was
primarily
intended
to
aid
bicycle
and
pedestrian
safety.
Was
that
right
correct?
Why
I
appreciate
that
I
think
that's
definitely,
as
you
mentioned
and
alluded
to
part
of
the
conference
and
permanent
good
intended.
So
I
appreciate
that,
and
just
want
you
to
know
that
I'm
glad
that
you're
able
to
pull
this
together
for
us
to
present
tonight.
E
G
E
O
Know
that
that
means
they're
gonna
pay
for
improvements
in
that
section.
But
at
this
point,
everything's
south
of
Shafer
Street,
two
dairy
Lane,
is
the
project
boundaries
for
these
three
grants.
The
area
north
back
when
we
were
going
through
the
engineering
on
this
and
I
saw
as
a
as
an
area
that
lots
of
citizens
have
concerns
about
and
I
thought
it
prudent
to
go
ahead
and
combine
the
two
areas
to
look
at
together.
One
plan
at
some
point
in
the
future
fairly
near
future.
O
C
A
I
basically
jumped
up
and
down
and
insisted
on.
Oh
you
paying.
I
thought
they
were
gonna
pay
for
us
to
do
it,
but
anyway
be
that
as
it
may.
My
second
set
of
questions
comes
from
my
East
State
experience
and
specifically
I'm
not
sure
it
was
this
engineering
firm,
but
they
encountered
a
problem
with
the
water
mines
and
they
this
is
after
I
mean
II.
You
know,
each
state
has
its
issues
the
fact
the
streets
were
found
as
well
as
it
could
be
in
their
puddles
and
maternally,
but
the
other
problem
is.
A
We
were
told
that
the
water
lines
were
redesigned
to
go
90
degree
angles
around
the
catch
basin,
and
so
we
had
to
come
up
with
some
extra
money
to
to
remedy
that
solution,
that
the
engineering
firm
that
was
organized
around
the
transit
thing
came
up
with.
So
that's
my
back
your
background
information,
so
my
question
is
and
I'd
like
from
you
assurances
on
two
items
and
number
one
is
that
the
siphoned
chamber
will
not
be
adversely
affected.
A
Can
you-
and
that
means-
and
you
make
the
choice
since
I-
think
as
you
are
interacting
with
the
engineering
firm,
we
don't,
but
the
siphon
chamber
is
a
low
tech,
well
functioning
sewer
system,
appurtenance
that
moves
materials
without
electricity-
and
you
know
I,
guess
that
in
the
heat
of
designing
the
super
great
thing,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
remember
that
we
need
it
with.
You
know
a
pump
station,
they're
gonna
cut
it.
Okay,
I
mean
we
talked
about
this
before,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
out
in
public
talking
about
it.
O
O
Looked
at
that
that
area
as
part
of
the
preliminary
engineering
with
the
traffic
study
and
considered
the
traffic
both
from
University
courtyard
and
the
proposed
summary
codes,
Ron's
and
program
that
traffic
into
the
traveler
with
it
flow
to
the
intersection.
But
as
far
as
limits
of
construction,
dairy
Lane
is
the
southern
part.
Okay,.
A
O
A
Okay,
the
second
thing
is
when
we
were
talking
the
last
time-
and
you
know
I
also
asked
about
John-
will
home
park,
but
I've
given
up
on
that
one.
Oh
you
land,
and
this
is
being
done
because,
oh
you,
we
have
a
rush
minute,
15
minutes
either
sides
of
eight
and
five
and
it's
going
to
command
a
lot
of
money
and
so
I
guess
in
the
spirit
of
Chef
responsibilities.
A
I
hope
that
when
this
small
amount
of
state
land
that
you're
almost
certain
maybe
you're
gonna
avoid
it,
but
that
you
will
that
they
will
donate
it
as
opposed
to
asking
us
for
money,
especially
after
we
do
the
improvements
and
say:
oh
it's
worth
so
much
more
because
it's
so
much
more
accessible
now
so
I
hope
we're
not
going
to
buy
money.
A
buyer
buy
land
from
them
from
the
state.
The.
O
G
O
A
Because
you
know
I
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
them.
As
of
now
there
are
no
land
class
right.
My
last
question
has
to
do
with
construction
engineering.
It's
a
half
a
million
dollars.
How
many
times
so
Brutus
tonight
will
be
here
and
how
many
actual
it's
ten
percent.
Do
we
pay
it?
No
matter
what
what's
going
on
there?
Construction.
O
Of
all
Burgess
is
Michael
cannot
legally
perform
construction
engineering
on
this
project
if
they
remain
they
can
solve
design.
That's
a
rule
that
no
doc
put
in
place
several
years
ago
due
to
conflicts
of
interest
with
designers,
covering
up
flaws
during
construction.
So
now
firms
require
correction.
The
state
and
federal
government
requires
local
authorities
to
hire
separate
consultants
for
the
administration
and
the
construction
engineering
than
they
hire
for
design.
That
being
said,
o
Dodd
has
a
cookie
cutter.
O
Ten
percent
figure
that
they
use
for
construction,
that's
programmed
into
all
the
grant
requests
and
that
ten
percent
figure
is
for
construction
engineering.
That's
under
the
assumption
that
the
city
government
that
Township
governor
County
governor,
whoever
is
administering
the
project
locally,
is
not
going
to
be
capable
of
administering
the
project
to
the
standard
required,
that
is
to
say
keeping
track
of
the
huge
amounts
of
documentation
such.
O
Have
occurred
during
construction,
you
gotta
pray
on
a
panel
of
experts
to
do
that.
Technically,
the
city
of
Athens,
because
I
work
here
can
do
construction
engineering
without
contracting.
That
out,
because
being
a
registered
professional
engineer
in
Ohio,
I
can
ultimately
approve
of
change
orders
and
such
that
would
be
required
that.
O
J
O
M
O
A
Your
so
you
sort
of
alluded
to
that,
but
I.
That's
what
got
me
thinking
about
what
you
were
actually
talking
about,
so
so,
basically,
what
you're
talking
about
is
either
you
or
somebody
you
hire,
but
not
for
just
an
eyeful
actually
doing
the
construction
engineering.
Is
that
my
is
that
I
mean
not
that
I
would
hold
you
to
it,
but
is
that
kind
of
what
you
said.
F
O
There's
actually
a
component
of
this
project
we
assumed
in
aesthetics
it's
going
to
be
fairly
important.
Yes,
in
this
project,
in
how
you
incorporate
public
art,
the
consultant
did
put
as
part
of
their
design
cost
a
workshop,
specifically
the
landscape
architect
and
wherever
in
the
community,
is
going
to
participate
as
far
as
in
the
artist
excited
design.
With
this
now,
I
do
believe
that
outside
I
think
I,
remember.
Reading
the
legislation
and
I
thought
that.
G
E
G
G
J
O
O
One
of
the
the
angle
that
we're
going
to
take
is
that
this
project
will
actually
become
an
asset
to
the
park
and
it's
to
provide
access
for
folks
from
the
northern
guard
in
the
central
part
of
the
city
to
the
park
easier
than
they
currently
have.
As
they
walk
south
or
drive
sound
with
bikes
out.
We
can
actually
have
access
awfully
so
that
that's
supposed
to
offset
any
land
that
would
be
taken.
Additionally,
we
talked
about
just
to
ensure
that
the
Park
Lane
was
tied
shortly.
A
I
H
O
First,
two
stages
of
the
PDP
process
are
complete
at
the
end
of
the
second
stage
of
the
PDP
process.
Oda
and
FHWA
expect
you
to
select
an
alternative
most
most
of
the
evaluation
criteria
that
we
used
in.
Judging
the
two
alternatives
that
we
created
either
came
out
as
neutral
or
favoring
alternative,
be
specifically
safety
with
crashes
number
one
number
two
environmental
impacts
and
number
three
cost,
then
that
alternative
B
was
significantly
cheaper
than
alternative
a
because
it
didn't
require
a
whitening
for
an
additional
structure.
Rebuilding
I'd.
H
O
I
understand
that
completely
I
know
that
there's
been
concerned
specifically
with
alternative
B
in
moving
all
pen
by
traffic
to
one
side
of
the
bridge
and
creating
a
multi-use
path.
I
know
that's
been
a
concern
we
have
had
some
some
residents
say
they
prefer
to
have
the
option
to
go
on
either
side.
The
way
that
the
reason
we
did
that
specifically
in
that
particular
alternative
was
to
eliminate.
K
O
O
O
Have
we
both
of
these
both
of
the
alternatives
that
were
developed
both
the
traditional
signalized
design,
which
required
the
widening
of
the
bridge
in
the
traffic
signal
and
and
the
roundabout
design
which
did
not
require?
You
know
the
widening
the
bridge,
we're
modeled
with
2030
peak
hour
traffic?
That's
based
on
45%
growth
rate,
so
that's
just
a
common
traffic
that
we
modeled
on.
However,
we
also
using
vertical
visum,
which
is
a
simulation
software,
assigns
behaviour
to
different
vehicles
and
drives
the
vehicles
through
the
center.
O
There's
a
couple
of
examples
of
that
right
now
on
the
city
website,
we've
taken
an
increase
to
the
volumes
on
particular
legs
to
deal
with
or
to
look
at
high
traffic
events,
that
is
to
say
football
events
as
well
as
we
then
move
out.
It
appears
as
though
it's
not
going
to
be
a
problem,
not
any
more
than
that
than
the
current
intersection,
that
is
to
say,
might
require
an
officer
for
control
on
a
very,
very
heavy
volume
of
the
situations,
but
for
the
most
part
it
hasn't
been.
O
It
didn't
look
as
though,
to
bring
down
one
of
the
things
that
versus
tonight
will
suffer.
Go
do
the
Sun
have
done
this
yet
is
that
they
would
bring
the
computer
that
has
the
program
line
with
the
simulation
down.
I'd
sit
down
with
police
chief
and
blues
captain
and
go
through
increasing
volumes
based
on
standard.
Oh
you
football.
When
a
standard,
oh
you,
some
assumptions
made
about
parking
and
drivers
and
let
them
actually
look
at
it
and
watch
it.
J
C
O
I
suppose
under
Ohio
law
or
considered
vehicles
for
travel
the
street
calling
traffic
laws.
However
Ohio,
although
also
allows
bicycle
to
travel
on
the
sidewalk,
where
they're
not
otherwise
prevented.
In
this
instance,
we
kind
of
looked
at
two
types
of
cyclists:
cyclists,
who
are
your
Tom
Wolfe's,
your
avid
cyclists.
You
have
no
trouble
and
you'll
feel
very
comfortable
traveling
with
traffic
and
creating
a
situation
where
they
can
ride
straight
through
intersection.
O
Also,
we
looked
at
mom
and
dad
and
little
kids
on
with
the
bike,
with
training
wheels
needing
some
type
of
facility
that
is
separate
from
traffic.
Hence
the
idea
of
the
shared
use
path.
That's
12
feet
wide
with
a
barrier
wall
on
them
along
the
bridge
portion
of
it
and
the
tunnel
underneath
680
to
that,
you
could
totally
separate
that
type
of
cyclist
from
traffic.
M
O
Does-
and
this
was
in
response
to
a
significant
number-
it's
responsive
to
things
today
for
the
number
of
pedestrians
that
felt
vulnerable,
regardless
of
whether
there
was
a
signal
or
not,
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
we
got
out
of
the
public
involvement
process
said
hey
even
though
there's
a
signal
there,
I,
don't
you
know
I,
don't
feel
safe,
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
be
separated
from
traffic.
Lots
of
folks
would
have
liked
us
to
build
a
pedestrian
bridge
over
680.
O
However,
the
space
just
simply
wouldn't
allow
it
because
of
the
amount
of
clearance
we'd
have
to
give
before
the
bridge
over
the
top.
The
tunnel
seemed
to
be
a
much
more
viable
approach.
The
second
reason
is
that
it
appears
as
though
sometime
within
the
next
three
to
five
years
federal
highway
administration
is
going
to
put
some
restrictions
on
a
multi-lane
roundabouts,
specifically
because
of
blind
pedestrians,
why
pedestrians
currently,
and
that
in
that
intersection,
if
you
walk
through
there,
we
have
an
audible
signal,
because
we
had
a
question
about
a
blind
pedestrian
going
through
there.
O
That's
the
only
section,
a
signal
in
the
city
of
Antioch
or
the
audible
signal
heads
one
of
the
benefits,
one
of
the
reasons
the
roundabouts
remove
such
high
lines
of
traffic
is
that
it's
not
a
signal,
honest
and
it's
up
to
the
driver
to
yield
and
to
enter.
We
don't
control
the
intersection.
However,
that's
problematic
with
the
continuous
flow
of
traffic
for
somebody
who's
blind
to
hear
when
the
gaps
are
so
that
was
the
second
reason
that
we
looked
at
doing
a
tunnel
as
an
alternate
means
crossing
the
intersection.
O
The
the
option
will
also
be
provided
for
an
at-grade
crossing
specifically
to
combat
the
concerns
that
number
of
pedestrians
had
about
the
safety
double
tunnel.
Specifically,
you
know
dark
scary
tunnel.
In
my
time,
I
don't
want
to
go
underneath
the
road
at
nighttime.
That's
not
when
you
have
peak
traffic
and
very
easy
for
you
to
get
across
it.
Entry
level
in
this
intersection
will
be
well
lighted
more
so
than
it
is
now.
O
E
G
O
From
what
I
understand
it,
it
is,
and
there
is
data
out
there.
I
don't
have
any
with
me
today,
but
I
can
research
that,
for
you
typically
for
a
vehicle,
I
think
the
statistics
are
for
a
vehicle
to
stop
at
a
traffic
signal
from
a
25
or
35
mile
per
hour,
speed
and
then
restart
again
requires
a
13th
to
a
twelfth
of
a
gallon
of
gas
to
make
that
to
see
celebration
and
acceleration.
O
One
of
the
benefits
of
a
roundabout
is
that
you
you
in
many
cases
you
kneeled
upon
entering.
If
there
is
no
circulating
traffic,
you
can
go
ahead
and
enter,
and
you
don't
you
just
simply:
don't
have
the
queuing
that
you
have
with
with
a
traditional
signalized
intersection.
This
is
certainly
aligned
with
our
cool
cities.
Initiative
I
could
probably
get
some
data
on
intersection,
er
intersections
our
mayor,
measured
in
total
delay.
We
can
look
at
the
total
delay
assigned
to
a
signalized
intersection
and
then
total
delay
assigned
to
around
about,
and
what
total
delay
is.
O
Is
the
amount
of
time
assigned
to
all
vehicles
that
have
to
wait
going
through
the
intersection
for
one
eally
cycle
of
the
light?
They
sign
a
number
like
that
too,
as
well.
There's
no
signal
and
you
can
look
at
the
idling
costs
of
the
vehicle,
but
that
amount
of
time
that
vehicles
for
that
time
versus
versus
the
shorter
but
I
know
the
total
weight
was
much
lower,
rich.
D
O
Of
the
things
that,
and
if
you
look
and
I
can
share,
we
demand
the
that
particular
alternative
has
currently
we've
laid
out
where
the
pathways
would
go,
and
it
appears
as
though
there's
kind
of
a
longer
route
to
get
down
to
the
tunnel.
Then
you
would
think
there's
not
a
direct
route
per
se
as
you
look
at
it.
It
looks
kind
of
funny
when
you
look
at
the
the
overhead.
O
The
reason
that
that
is
the
case
is
in
order
to
meet
the
grade
requirements
for
compliance
with
the
ADA,
a
Americans
with
Disability
Act,
and
so
you
don't
have
too
steep
of
grade
to
get
down
from
the
bridge
level
down
the
level
you
have
to
make
to
have
a
longer
path.
So
you
can,
you
can
meet
the
grade
requirements,
but
also
you
know,
in
order
to
comply
with
ABA.
We
needed
to
do
that.
O
One
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
is
also
providing
a
more
direct
route
for
folks
who
are
not
military
bound
because,
as
we
know,
whenever
you
look
at
an
area
of
grass
where
pedestrians
have
the
opportunity
to
either
walk
around
with
a
sidewalk
or
walk
straight
through
the
grass,
the
Fox
River
through
the
grass
and
then
track
grass
track
there.
So
we
were
going
to
provide
both
options.
E
Okay,
second
agenda
item:
for
the
transportation
committee
is
a
street
closing
that,
at
this
point,
is
a
request.
That's
been
made
by
email
from
the
mountains
ion
Baptist
Church
and
miss
Johnson
relayed
this
request
to
City
Safety,
Service,
Director,
Paula,
Hara
and
Moseley,
and
we
have
had
several
emails
back
and
forth
the
proposed
date
as
I
understand.
E
The
their
first
choice
would
be
September
13th,
but
that's
the
date
on
which
there's
a
home
football
game
and
they
do
have
an
alternate
date
of
the
August
30th
and
so
MS
Johnson
said
she
wasn't
able
to
be
here
tonight.
But
our
purpose
in
bringing
it
up
tonight
is
to
begin
the
discussions
of
it
and
to
see
if
there
any
other,
additional
questions
or
concerns.
L
You'd
like
to
offer
with
us
confirm
as
you
as
you
know,
I
think,
buy
your
copy
dummy
Department.
That
is
the
direct
line
in
order
to
reach
those
residential
areas.
I
advised
her
that
September
13th
home
football
game
this
ideal
time
and
that
would
be
probably
I,
would
recommend
against
it.
It's
ultimately
up
to
Council,
because
it's
a
planned
event.
L
It
is
not
anything
for
urgent
or
safety
or
public
urgent
needs,
and
she
did
indicate
in
this
email
response
that
perhaps
there
were
other
locations
but
did
not
share
where
that
may
be,
because
there's
a
parking
lot
area
they've
got
different
events
right
around
right
at
within
I
wish.
I
was
hopeful.
We
get
it
for
more
information
right.
H
A
I
wonder
if
we
would
ever
entertain
a
request
to
close
a
major
arterial
Street
for
an
event
like
this
I.
Just
can't
imagine
why
we
would
even
consider
it
when
we
have
those
opening
picnics
we've
been
able
to
handle
large
numbers
of
people
on
the
sidewalks
and
in
the
front
yard,
and
it
seems
that
when
we
closed
streets
have
been
little
puny
streets
on
side
streets
without
you
know,
without
threat.
I've
been.
The
second
question:
is
it's
a
very
slippery
slope?
A
Where
is
how
does
this
compare
to
oak
fest
mail
theft,
Palmer
fest
than
all
the
rest?
You
know,
I
mean
if
the
church
decided
to
sponsor
one
of
those
little
bashes
or
something
or
whatever
I
mean
I.
Just
cannot
see
that
we
want
to
get
in
the
business
of
doing
this
ever
I
can
I'd
say,
find
a
parking
lot.
Do
it
there
and
you
know,
I
will
not
signed
up
I,
wouldn't
both
to
close
any
Street
for
a
festival
like
this.
Unless
it
was
uptown
and
it
had
a
larger
basis
than
this.
One
has.
E
C
K
A
A
You
mean
the
participation,
you
know.
That's
fine,
I
mean
I
hope,
because
the
people
who
sell
uptown
were
always
irate
that
we
allowed
vendors
to
be
in
front
of
their
places.
I
mean
that
was
part
of
the
reason
why
we
said
page
the
true
cost
of
it
as
opposed
to
a
subsidized,
but
I
think
we
had
asked
the
administration
for
some
input
on
that
as
500
enough.
F
F
F
A
question
yeah.
G
M
F
F
Might
be
a
nice
also
on
a
separate
note,
to
engage
the
University
and
dialogue
or
discussion
about
Halloween
and
their
input
and
willingness
to
be
involved.
So
that
might
be
something
that
we
can
explore
either
as
a
group
of
counsel
or
the
new
administration.
So
that's
something
also
worth
considering.
G
E
All
right,
Thank,
You,
councilmember
Butler
in
many
ways,
Halloween
helping
with
that
miscellaneous
agenda
item.
We
do
have
one
item
that
I
would
like
to
bring
up
Andy
stone
who's,
not
with
us
now,
but
hopefully
we
won't
have
too
many
questions
about.
It
has
alerted
us
to
the
fact
that
in
September
we
will
be
applying
for
some
issue,
one
funds
and
rather
than
waiting
to
the
last
minute
in
September
and
having
it
authorized.
We
could
move
ahead
this
summer,
if
that
seems
appropriate,
then
to
authorize
the
city
to
apply
for
those
state
funds.
H
Councilmember
Knisley
was
part
of
that
group
and
has
kind
of
taken
over
councils.
Discussion
she's,
been
working
with
larger
dr.
lang,
put
together
opposed
the
ordinance
which
might
guide
City
Council
in
dealing
with
this
issue,
so
I
think
that's
being
passed
out
to
you
right
now.
Never
nice!
Do
you
want
to
go
ahead
with
this?
Okay.
E
E
E
It
will
amend
the
definitions
of
blight
and
public
nuisance
to
include
graffiti,
and
just
so,
we've
made
the
information
available,
they're
defining
graffiti
as
any
unauthorized
inscription,
word
figure,
painting
or
other
defacement
that
is
written,
marked,
H,
sketched,
scratched,
sprayed,
drawn
painted
or
engraved
on
or
otherwise
affixed
to
any
surface
of
public
or
private
property
by
any
graffiti
implement.
To
the
extent
that
the
graffiti
was
not
authorized
in
advance
by
the
owner
or
occupant
of
the
property
or
despite
advanced
authorization,
as
otherwise
deemed
a
public
nuisance,.
E
Is
what
we're
going
to
put
forward
after
the
work
session
that
we
held
in
which
there
was
general
consensus
not
to
have
a
separate
ordinance
working
strictly
with
graffiti
and
incorporates
the
definitions
into
the
code?
I
think
the
other
thing
that
it
does.
This
ordinance
doesn't
but
I
might
add
that
this
is
just
part
of
a
program
in
which
we're
also
safety
service.
Director
Mosley
has
been
working
with
the
police
department
to
also
have
the
graffiti
announced
as
a
crime
Crime
Solvers
listing.
E
E
We
might
add
at
this
point
and
then
to
also
potentially
work
with
city
code,
to
have
regular
letters
issued
to
private
property
owners
when
there
is
graffiti
to
make
them
aware
that
there
is
that
it
could
possibly
be
a
citation,
but
it
also
at
the
same
time
gives
a
reasonable
period
of
time
for
people
to
respond
to
remove
the
graffiti
and
I.
Think
we're
also
hoping
to
implement
this.
E
B
A
Many
you
know
we,
they
dragged
the
furniture
out
and
I
mean
I
I'm
talking
about
the
students
who
have
said
to
me
that
they
were
really
concerned
there.
Somebody
starts
a
fight
on
the
street
with
a
couch
that
it's
so
hot
and
it's
so
full
of
pollutants,
because
it's
that
urethane
foam
that
you
know
there's
there's
a
danger
there.
They
were
I.
Remember
them
saying
an
especially
those
Halloween
events
that
were
so
awful
a
few
years
ago
where
they
were
concerned,
their
porch
was
gonna
catch
on
fire,
I
guess.