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B
2008
tonight,
City
Council
is
meeting
in
a
special
session
which
has
a
limited
agenda
and
then
in
a
series
of
community
of
committee
meetings,
we
do
have
a
forum
with
all
members
of
council
present
with
the
usual
the
late
Nancy
pain,
just
joining
us
at
any
moment's
ond
ordinances
for
second
reading.
Oh
one
12:08
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
service,
Safety
Director
to
advertise
and
acceptance
where
necessary
and
enter
into
contracts
to
replace
the
air-conditioning
system
in
the
law.
Administrative
building
ordinance,
one
1408
has
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
auditor
to
reduce
year-end
appropriations
ordinance.
B
Ordinance
1
1608
an
ordinance
layering
certain
vehicles
no
longer
needed
for
municipal
purpose,
ordinance.
170
no
8
is
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
service
Safety
Director
to
purchase
two
3/4
ton;
trucks
for
the
street
department,
ordinance
1,
1808
its
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
enter
into
a
contract
and
provide
financial
support
for
the
operation
of
the
athens
county
economic
development
council.
B
C
Mirzayance,
mr.
president,
at
this
time,
I
would
move
that
we
consider
ordinance-
oh
1,
1908
under
suspension
of
the
rules.
Second,
this
is
actually
the
reason
we're
having
the
special
session
tonight.
This
is
an
ordinance
executing
a
mutual
aid
agreement
between
the
city
of
Athens
and
Ohio
University
for
law
enforcement,
and
we
have
had
an
active
mutual
aid
agreement
with
the
University
for
a
good
number
of
years.
C
Our
current
one
has
or
will
expire
elapsed,
26th,
ok,
the
last
couple
days
and
obviously,
with
the
Halloween
celebration
coming
up
and
other
events,
it
would
be
very
beneficial
for
both
law
enforcement
bodies,
the
Athens
Police
and
the
Ohio
University
police
force
to
have
this
mutual
aid
agreement.
In
effect,
we.
B
D
C
This
allows
to
serve
a
Safety
Director
to
execute
a
mutual
aid
agreement
between
the
city
of
Athens
and
Ohio
University
for
a
law
enforcement
assistance
and
the
copy
of
the
contract
is
attached.
This
makes
possible
cooperation
between
the
two
entities
and
actually,
in
some
ways,
encourages
cooperation
between
the
two
good
thing
to
have
back
on
the
books.
It's.
B
E
E
B
All
those
in
favor
of
adoption
of
ordinance,
119
I
opposed
the
ordinance
has
been
adopted.
That
concludes
and
we
stand
adjourned.
Having
addressed
all
items
on
our
special
session
agenda,
we
move
on
to
the
community
issues
committee
member
sands.
Are
you
remember,
bein
I,
believe
this
window?
Okay,
member
bang,.
G
G
As
the
person
whose
name
is
on
oh
I,
know,
five
I
thought
it
would
be
good
to
review
a
little
bit
where
it
came
from
and
to
underline
and
make
a
dayglo
mark
on
it
that
it
isn't
even
slightly
oh
effort
that
involves
intrusion
into
people's
private
business.
Unless
stuffing
extra
people
into
a
house
happens
to
be
the
private
business.
We're
talking
about
so.
H
G
Having
said
that,
I
guess
you
can
see
where
I
stand:
I'm
I'm
a
landlord
I,
do
the
landlord
tenant
form,
even
though
my
well,
my
tenants
are
currently
over
30.
They
don't
think
it's
demeaning.
It's
not
a
problem.
I
was
a
little
almost
late.
This
time,
cuz
my
one
of
my
tenants
just
came
down.
G
Athens
had
a
terrible
fire
situation
in
October
Halloween
weekend
2005,
everybody
was
really
upset.
I
actually
knew
students
who
were
living
in
houses
on
Palmer
Street.
They
were
extremely
upset
by
the
heat
of
the
fires
and,
of
course,
everyone
assumed
it
had
to
be
out
of
town
or
agitated.
Somebody
at
my
just
well
familiar
with
what
that
that's
usually
an
explanation.
It's
often
I
suspect
it
was
and
to
make
matters
worse.
The
drunken
thoughts
through
bottles
and
other
things
that
the
firemen
and
at
the
policeman
I
mean
you
know.
Where
does
it
end?
G
And
so
the
president
of
Ohio
University
and
the
mayor
of
Athens
came
together
and
formed
a
committee
saying
what
should
we
do
to
solve
the
problems?
And
not
surprisingly,
since
this
is
an
educational
town,
they
said
one
of
the
big
problems
is
student
population
does
not
understand
what
the
requirements
are.
Hence
the
landlord-tenant
form
it
passed
through
a
lot
of
hands.
G
It
works
perfectly
well
in
a
number
of
cities,
but
I
didn't
that
person
knew
honcho
did
through
was
not
I
was
not
involved
at
all
in
the
land
right
in
the
interaction
had
no
part
in
it,
but
Dale
was
leading
council
and
I
felt
like
it
had
to
happen,
because
I
didn't
want
to
see
any
more
fighters
on
Mill
Street
on
Halloween
I,
don't
know
no
Halloween,
but
since
2004
it
was
horrible.
It
was
just
a
terrible
slap
in
the
face
to
the
city
of
Athens
to
have
that
happen.
G
So
what
we
did
was
we
pulled
something
together
from
a
number
of
sources
and
did
some
changing
to
its.
If
you
look
at
it,
you
can
see
that
actually
there's!
No!
We
in
this
it
was
actually
Dale's
work
much
more
than
mine.
What
we
wanted
to
do
was
get
that
niche
between
the
big
apartment
buildings
and
thus,
and
the
three
one
or
two
person
houses
got
taken
in
places
that
have
an
on-site
monitors,
not
a
problem.
G
The
problem
really
in
mixed
neighborhoods,
not
so
much
problem
because
they
have
their
next-door
neighbors
and
I've
noticed
on
Mill
Street
and
in
my
neighborhood
people,
do
ask
each
other.
Well
what
about
this?
Will
you
watch
my
house
there,
but
when
the
house,
when
everybody
is
new,
there's
no
one
to
talk
to,
and
so
the
landlord
tenant
form
was
developed
and
possibly,
and
we
went
and
time
and
stated
what
we
wanted.
You
know
that
we
basically
didn't
want
the
big
guys
to
do
it.
G
We
just
wanted
them
that
area
in
between
where
we
seem
to
be
lacking:
education,
September
30th.
It
says
the
near
changes
and
tenants
occupants
she'll
also
be
filed.
There
are
a
lot
of
administrative
decisions
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
we
did
in
2005
was
we
attached
what
we
thought
was
pretty
decent
long
and
if
you
actually
look
at
this,
it's
been
changed.
We
never
really
expected
that
it
would
be.
The
form
would
stay,
constant,
goodness
things
change
more.
G
The
idea
is
important,
so
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
in
there
and
I
cannot
for
the
life
of
me
think
where
the
Big
Brother
comments
come
from.
I
am
just
you
know,
I'm
amazed
at
some
of
the
things
people
have
written
but
anyways.
Having
said
that,
and
let
me
say
that
this
is
the
compliance
and
disclosure
statement
and
the
lease
period
is
given
the
name
of
the
house,
the
owner
street
address.
None
of
that
is
confidential.
I.
Don't
think
owners
authorized
agent?
G
Well,
you
know
that's
the
case,
then
what
may
be
the
problem
is
the
first
item,
declaration
of
compliance
with
occupancy
restrictions
now
they're
in
my
mail
I
the
problem:
it's
not
a
problem
in
my
place,
but
basically
put
the
name
and
the
relationship
on
you
are
not
required
to
provide
information
concerning
relationships
unless
more
than
for
adults
reside
in
the
dwelling
and
it's
located
in
our
one
or
two.
So
does
that
really
limits
it
to
a
much
smaller
group?
G
Okay?
So
what
we
do
in
this
form-
and
this
is
not
a
terrible
onerous
thing-
you
can
probably
do
it
in
a
couple.
Five
minutes,
I,
actually
told
Scott
to
tie
me,
could
I
talk
too
fast.
You
know
right
after
Tom.
Well,
that's
what
even
though
I've
had
the
plumber
here
five
times
that
toilet
in
the
basement
has
a
tendency
to
run.
If
it
starts
to
run.
Give
me
a
call
I
mean
that's
the
kind
of
thing
you
do.
You
say,
oh,
this
house
has
a
Creek.
G
You
might
notice
that
two
of
your
smoke
detectors
are
hardwired
if
they
start
to
beep.
For
goodness
sakes
get
a
hold
of
me
right
away,
because
I
need
to
change
the
batteries
you
know.
So
it's
not
tough.
It
is
what
you
do
if
you
care
about
your
property
for
goodness
sakes
and
the
okay.
So
it's
the
first
thing.
It
says
something
we
all
know
a
rental
dwelling,
a
rooming
house
permit
has
to
state
the
maximum
number
of
persons
who
may
occupy
the
unit,
not
tough.
Just
the
law.
G
Folks
front
yard
parking,
quoting
23,
Oh
801
exclusive
of
a
hard
surface
driveways
for
parking
is
permitted
off
street
parking
areas.
Parking
structures
shall
not
be
located
in
front
of
any
residential
structures,
again
I
hope
it's
enforced,
and
that
is
basically
one
of
the
rules
that
we
like
to
see
operating
in
Athens.
After
all,
it
may
be
one
of
the
best
hometowns
in
the
world,
but
we
want
to
keep
it
that
way.
For
goodness,
sakes
trashcan
placement.
Now
this
one
is
probably
not
quite
enforced.
In
fact,
I
think
mr.
G
sands
may
talk
about
this
later
on
five-oh
203,
all
trash
cans,
all
Trash
Can
shall
be
kept
in
containers
stored
out
of
view
from
the
street
behind
the
front
edge
of
the
house
things
except
when
their
officer
pick
up.
Trash
cans
may
be
placed
at
the
curbside
after
7:00
p.m.
the
night.
You
know,
and
then
it
goes
on
it.
Talks
about
when
they're
placed
plastic
bags
may
be
placed
at
the
curbside
for
pickup,
but
no
earlier
than
7
a.m.
on
the
day
of
the
regular
scheduled
pickup
trash
cans
and
recycling.
G
G
You
use
brown
paper.
Basically,
try
to
go
through
it,
give
them
the
razzle-dazzle
on
it
paper,
Boyd's
cereal
boxes,
everything
separated,
get
it
ready,
then
I'm
gonna
go
and
say:
oK
we've
got
some
litter
issues
here,
section
29,
1201
and
13:07.
Oh
six,
moths,
property
area.
Some
premises
shall
be
maintained
in
a
clean,
safe
and
sanitary
condition,
free
from
any
accumulation
of
rubbish
or
garbage.
I'll
say
more
about
that
later.
G
On
about
garbage
cans,
occupants
shall
maintain
the
exterior
property
and
in
a
condition
that
does
not
deteriorate
it
did
base
the
period
the
appearance
of
the
neighborhood
or
adversely
alter
alters
appearance
and
general
character.
The
neighborhood
that
creates
a
fire
safety
health
hazard
or
is
a
public
nuisance
that
contributes
to
neighborhoods
blight
I
mean
this
is
what
we
all
need
to
know.
G
Many
of
us
are
many
of
the
people
were
reading
this
with
are
just
starting
for
the
first
time
and
they
lived
in
a
probably
relatively
privileged
world,
and
now
they
have
to
take
out
their
own
garbage.
This
is
not
I
mean
we
can't
make
light
of
this.
This
is
very
important.
What
we're
doing
with
this?
We
hope
somebody's
doing
with
this
I
at
least
did
it
with
mine.
G
Then
they
talk
about
section,
1304,
10,
noise
control,
no
person
so
recklessly
make
or
cause
to
be
made
or
continue
or
participate
in
any
loud
or
unusual
noise
that
disturbs
the
peace
and
quiet.
Then
there's
the
nuisance
party
ordinance,
so
I
usually
kind
of
skip
over
it,
because
most
of
my
people
are
too
old
to
be
doing
this
animal
control.
We
don't
want
to
see
dogs
running
around.
We
don't
want
to
get
in
trouble
with
the
commissioners
over
doc,
control.
F
G
G
There
it
is,
then
you
go
through
and
talk
about
what
what
is
going
on
on
order
order,
confirmation
and
then
occupant
confirmation,
and
it
says
that
the
current
to
revise
code
is
in
place
now
tell
me
how
long
did
it
take?
It
says
it's
a
minor
misdemeanor
that
may
be
the
crux
of
what
we
have
to
do
on
this
I.
Don't
really
know.
Maybe
we
can
talk
about
that,
but
rest
assured
this
is
material
that
even
people
who
have
lived
in
a
house
for
a
year
cannot
be
hurt
by
tick
bite.
G
Oh
yeah,
you
need
to
know
what
day
is
garbage
day.
You
need
to
know
when
the
truck
is
the
ultimate
last
moment
to
get
the
can
out
to
the
street
and
it's
not
trying
to
be
Big.
Brother.
Pardon
me,
it
is
not.
This
is
education
at
its
best
civic
education.
Just
remember
that
many
of
the
recipients
have
said
education
could
have
no
other
place
to
get
it
from
I,
don't
suppose
enough
for
Arlington
and
other
places
they
have
the
nuisance
party
thing
you
can
poke
funny
of
it.
G
If
you
want,
but
at
least
Tom
I
mean
ignorant
of
the
law
is
no
excuse,
but
how
on
earth
can
we
expect
people
to
perform
exactly
the
way
we
want
them
when
we
don't
tell
them
what
the
rules
are?
This
is
an
effort
to
tell
them
what
the
rules
are.
So
I
don't
understand
where
on
earth
people
can
get
these
ideas.
Somehow
this
is
a
horrible
thing
that
has
terrible
consequences.
Sorry,
but
it
just
doesn't
flip.
It
is
the
law.
G
This
is
what
you're
responsible
for
and
so
I
would
say
as
the
previous
sponsor
of
this
ordinance.
Who
does
not
want
to
be
the
spokesman
yet
another
time
so
I'm
in
the
crosshairs
of
every
landlord
it
doesn't
line.
I
would
suggest
that
we
decide
do
we
want
to
keep
the
form
yes
or
no.
If
there
are
four
people
that
want
to
keep
it,
then
the
next
question
decision
is:
should
we
change
something
about
it?
Most
of
it
is
up
to
the
administration.
It's
not
really
our
problem,
I,
don't
really
I
mean
I.
G
Think
I
sell
I
have
no
ownership
of
this.
They
know
the
law,
they
can
stress
it
and
enforce
it
and
then,
but
certainly
we
were
focusing
on
that
group,
not
the
big
places,
but
the
littler
places
in
there,
not
the
mix.
Well,
the
mixed
neighborhoods.
We
couldn't
really
separate
out
so
that
so
maybe
that's
a
question.
Do
we
want
everyone
to
do
what
I
think
that's
probably
overkill,
and
then
last
but
not
least,
what
penalty
would
we
like
to
see
on
it?
And
maybe
we
can
start
over
again.
G
I
do
know
from
my
students
that
almost
oh
well
I
know.
Last
year,
I
don't
have
very
many
students
right
now,
but
the
but
many
of
the
leases
have
already
been
sold
assigned
and
so
finding
this
at
the
time
of
the
leases
in
September
for
Argos
2009
is
not
a
wise
idea.
This
will
be
confined
to
the
papers
that
everybody
carries
around
for
two
weeks
and
then
gets
rid
of.
We
hope
they
recycle
on,
but
I
doubt
it.
So
how
can
we
handle
the
problem?
G
It
seems
to
me
what
I
always
do
is
when
they
come
for
the
keys
I
talked
to
him
about
it.
Doesn't
take
that
long
talk
about
the
idiosyncrasies
of
the
place
now.
I
don't
have
a
hundred
places,
but
then
I
don't
take
a
hundred
places
times
700
to
the
bank
either
so
I
mean
let's
just
get
right
down
to
brass
tacks,
and
the
question
is:
what
do
the
people
who
are
close
enough?
You
can
imagine,
there's
probably
I'm
gonna
get
wound
up
again.
G
There's
probably
somebody
out
there
who
who
could
come
up
with
a
different
strategy,
and
maybe
we
need
to
wait
a
week
and
listen
for
it.
But
I
don't
know
this
is
fairly
clear-cut,
clean
and
again
I
don't
take
100
times
700
to
the
bank.
Everyone,
okay.
I
G
F
G
J
C
J
You
and
Nancy
it
may
surprise
you
or
may
not
surprise
you
to
know
that
I
actually
listening
very
closely
and
I.
Think
I
agree
with
every
single
thing
that
you've
said
during
during
your
background
on
this
yeah,
and
let
me
just
say
that
in
all
the
years
that
I've
lived
in
Athens,
both
in
four
years
as
a
student
and
more
recently
as
a
homeowner
I've
lived
on
the
city's
south
side,
which
is
you
know,
Sheree
and
Bill
and.
K
J
Have
a
lot
of
friends
that
live
in
the
Near
East
and
the
near
north
and
west
sides
of
town
as
well
and
I
talk
with
residents
of
those
areas.
All
the
time
and
I
understand
that
these
used
to
be
largely
residential
areas.
So
I
try
to
imagine
myself
as
someone
who
lived
in
this
part
of
town
and
perhaps
that
lived
there
for
a
while.
Maybe
you
raised
the
family
there
and
I
cannot
imagine
the
frustration
that
I
would
feel
of
watching
as
families
move
away
and
as
one
house
after
another
converts
to
student
rental.
J
I
can't
imagine
the
frustration
I
would
feel
as
my
neighborhood
gets
noisier
and
as
the
houses
around
me
become
more
dilapidated.
So
in
part
to
combat
these
problems,
I
imagine
working
to
pass
the
landlord-tenant
disclosure
law
and
to
watch
as
more
than
two
years
after
we've
worked
and
after
Nancy
after
you
had
worked
to
pass
this
law
to
watch
for
more
than
two
years
as
the
city
of
lifted.
Not
one
single
finger
ever
to
attempt
to
enforce
this
law,
and
so.
G
J
So
we
elect
a
new
mayor
and
the
mayor
appoints
a
new
director
of
code
enforcement.
We
are
liked
a
new
City
Council,
the
election
law
director
and
then
still
watch
as
no
one
has
yet
been
charged
under
this
law,
and
so
for
those
that
feel
this
way.
I
would
just
like
you
to
I
would
ask
you
to
please
understand
this,
that
I
do
hear
you
and
that
I
know
that
your
frustrations
are
entirely
valid,
but
I.
Ask
you
to
please
hear
me
out
and
consider
these
following
three
points.
J
First,
what
is
the
goal
of
this
law?
The
intent
of
this
law
as
I,
understand
and
as
Nancy
as
you
had
just
reviewed
with
us,
was
to
educate
tenants
about
their
rights
and
responsibilities
and
to
provide
some
level
of
assurance
that
the
landlord
was
making
these
necessary
disclosures
that
he
was
giving
this
information
about
what
the
law
is
to
the
people
that
needed
to
get
it
I
think
we
all
share
that
goal
I.
Certainly
you
know
for
what
it's
worth.
That
is
very
little
of
you
do
share
that
goal
as
well.
J
F
J
This
is
a
question
just
as
simple
as
enforce
the
law
or
don't
enforce
the
law.
At
least
I.
Don't
think
that's
the
right
question
I've
actually
brought
with
me
tonight.
These
are
291
criminal
complaints
that
have
been
drafted
by
my
office.
They're,
ready
to
file
city
council
decides
that
we
just
want
to
go
full
speed
ahead.
You
wanna,
you
know,
file
this.
You
know,
then
we're
ready
to
do
it.
We've
got
them
right
here,
but
I
question
again
whether
it's
not
appropriate
to
to
at
least
look
at
you
know
is
there.
J
Is
there
something
else
worth
weighing
here
and
Nancy?
You
kind
of
alluded
to
this
toward
the
end
of
your
statement.
So
again,
I'm
not
saying
don't
enforce
the
law.
In
fact,
I'm
saying
the
exact
opposite
of
that
I'm
saying
we
need
to
enforce
this
law,
but
are
we
doing
it
in
a
way
that
that
is
responsible
and
in
a
way
that
kind
of
limits
our
potential
problems
down
the
road?
With
this?
J
Accusing
someone
of
a
crime,
even
if
it's
just
a
minor
misdemeanor
crime,
is
it's
a
big
deal,
and
it's
something
that
has
a
former
prosecutor
that
I
take
very
seriously
even
when
again,
even
when
it's
only
a
minor
misdemeanor
criminal
charge
requires
proof
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt
in
a
courtroom.
This
is
the
highest
burden
that
exists
in
our
legal
system
and
and
again,
as
I
had
mentioned
in
my
the
code
at
the
council
meeting
last
week.
J
The
question
specifically
of
you
know
these
houses
that
are
owned
by
churches
that
are
not
in
compliance
and
who
in
the
world
to
be
charged
in
the
case
of
a
church,
and
he
said
to
me,
you
know
I,
guess
it
would
be
the
person
at
the
top.
We
would
charge
the
minister
now
to
me
and
I
think
to
most
people.
We
realize
that
that
is
an
absurd
outcome,
and
if
there
is
a
way
that
we
can
fix
it
than
I
hope
we
will,
we
will
look
at
that.
The.
J
J
To
achieve
our
shared
goals
in
this,
is
there
a
more
effective
way
to
enforce
this
law,
and
maybe
there
isn't
I'm
not
going
to
pretend
to
have
all
the
answers,
and
if
that's
the
case
that
there
is
no
better
way
and
that
the
thing
to
do
is
just
full
speed
ahead,
then
we
will
absolutely
do
that.
We
will
absolutely
do
that,
but
I
do
believe
that
it
is
worthwhile
to
at
least
explore
alternatives.
That's
why
I
brought
this
to
Council
Paul.
You
had
mentioned
an
interesting
point
to
me
that
I
had
not
thought
of.
J
Maybe
this
had
been
discussed
before,
but
the
idea
of
maybe
tying
the
enforcement
instead
of
making
it
a
criminal
offence
to
tie
it
to
rental.
The
rental
permits,
just
like
we
do
with
the
fees
and
then
track
them
down
that
way.
And
then
you
know,
if
we're
talking
about
pulling
someone's
permit.
That's
you
know,
gonna
be
a
much
bigger
financial
deal
than
this
hundred
and
fifty
dollar.
Fine.
That
they're
gonna
get
is
a
minor
misdemeanor.
J
In
closing
I
again,
I
really
do
think
that
we
have
shared
goals
here,
I'm
committed
to
working
with
counsel
and
assisting
where
I
can
in
any
way.
That
counsel
wishes
pleased
to
see
that
we
have
some
folks
that
have
turned
out
tonight
to
share
their
thoughts
as
well.
Some
were
good
enough
actually
to
come
to
my
office
earlier
in
the
summer,
and
mr.
G
I
have
one
more
thing:
I
think
we
had
two
years
in
which
there
was
all
this
wink-wink
nudge-nudge,
don't
enforce
it
and
I
think
that
maybe
we
need
a
cooling-off
period
and
I
was
maybe.
This
is
what
that's.
What
this
is
I,
probably
if
I
were
God,
would
not
have
sent
it
forward
to
be
in
this
state,
I
mean,
but
it's
not
a
council
decision.
G
It's
an
administrative
decision,
but
I
think
that
eventually,
somebody's
gonna
have
to
do
something,
but
I
think
we
have
to
acknowledge
that
there
was
a
serious
double-dealing
or
at
least
double-talking,
going
on
and
I.
You
know:
I
spent
many
hours
talking
to
Matt,
who
used
to
be
the
editor
of
the
paper
when
he
was
a
freshman
and
sophomore
and
he's
already
graduated
about
it
can
I
just
say:
don't
shave
those
words
with
me.
You
know
that
kind
of
stuff
and
I,
certainly
the
penalty.
It
can
be
changed.
C
D
So
I
think
that
that
makes
sense.
The
other
thing
in
reading,
through
all
the
background
information
that
raised
a
question
for
me
and
I'd,
like
some
feedback
from
the
law
director
about
this,
the
actual
language.
That's
in
the
code
talks
about
filing
the
form
with
the
code
office,
but
the
form
itself,
which
was
which
can
be
changed
administratively
and
has
been
amended
once
I
believe
administratively
actually
talks
about
the
occupants
making
it
available
immediately
upon
request
to
an
Athens
city
code
enforcement
officer
or
police
officer
in
investment.
D
D
E
Difficulty
with
that,
of
course,
is
that
the
permits
are
actually
bought
in
January
and
most
leases
go
from
June
to
June.
So
if,
let's
say
you
have
somebody
with
outstanding
violations,
which
would
be
a
simple
thing
say
if
you
have
out
selling
violations
no
different
than
what
we're
doing
with
the
traffic
lights
traffic
tickets
right
now,
if
you
know,
if
you
accumulate
enough
traffic
tickets
in
the
city
of
Athens
and
you
go
get
your
license,
renewed
I
think
I'll
put
a
stop
on
it.
They're
gonna
say
no.
You
have
too
many
tickets
and
Athens.
E
You
can't
get
your
driver's
license.
You
usually
get
somebody's
attention.
The
downside
of
that
is
cause
when
they
go
in
for
a
permit
in
January
and
they
have
outstanding
violations,
whether
this
nature
or
any
other
nature,
and
they
don't
get
a
permit.
What
do
you
do
with
the
tenants
who
are
in
there
to
June?
You
just
say:
okay,
you,
you
know,
you
know
you
could
say
you
have
30
days
to
clear
them
out.
You
know
or
fix
the
violations
to
me.
E
Fixing
violations
is
probably
not
draconian
enough,
because
that's
already,
what
happens
is
that
if
you
follow
the
pattern
of
most
violations
that
end
up
being
prosecuted,
you
know
they
get
to
the
point
where
just
they're
about
to
enter
into
court
and
in
there
they're
dealt
with
at
that
time.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
quandary.
I
mean
you
know,
I
could
think
of
a
better
half
dozen
different
ways
to
deal
with
this.
One
is
that
you
give
them
30
days
to
fix
the
violations,
and
then
you
have
we
have.
E
You
know
you
know,
turn
on
taffies
fees
and
therefore
get
your
water
turned
off.
You
get
charged
a
fee,
I'm
gonna
get
turned
on.
You
get
charged
a
fee
when
you've
lapsed
in
terms
of
refusal
for
your
permit,
or
rather
written
I,
renew
of
a
permit
for
a
violation,
and
you
get
the
thing
fixed
as
a
cost.
With
that
that
would
be
one
thing.
You
know
thing
is
you
given
30
days
and
then
you
put
them
in?
E
Oh
you
and
the
students
know
you
in
and
then
proceed
to
charge
it
against
the
landlord
for
whatever
room
service.
Do
you
in
supplies
from
my
mind,
this
would
be
actually
more
noticeable
money
going
in
versus
money
coming
out
money
rather,
money
coming
in
would
be
the
first
thing,
they'd
notice,
when
don't
have
a
rental
permit
money
going
out,
they'd
even
noticed
more.
This
was
discussed
many
years
ago
too.
The.
J
Only
thing
I
would
add
it,
and
you
know,
council
does
decide
to
another
meeting,
decide
to
start
looking
at
this
sort
of
thing.
I
can
obviously
research
whatever
needs
researched,
but
I
do
know
that
at
the
very
least,
I
was
talking
to
Lisa,
Elias
and
again
about
this,
who,
one
of
her
other
job
responsibilities,
is
to
prosecute
or
to
chase
down
the
money
for
the
rental
permit
fees
that
are
not
paid
and
I,
don't
know
exactly
off
the
top
of
my
head.
J
What
the
compliance
rate
was,
but
it
was
overwhelming
I
mean
with
some
of
the
people
we
really
had
to
you
know
to
chase
him
down,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
did
pay
because
they
realized,
if
they
don't
they're,
not
gonna,
have
their
permit.
So
whether
it'll
work
the
same
way
with
these
forms,
I
don't
know,
but
at
least
we
do
have
somewhat
of
a
model
that
we
can
look
at
where
we've
had
some
some
moderate
success.
What.
G
Did
that
two
years
ago
I
mean
it
was
in
we
even
I
was
so
relentless
I
said
when
I,
when
that
properties
changes
hands
cuz,
we
were
oath
of
dollars
by
people
and
we
just
sort
of
let
it
go,
but
fundamentally
go
back
and
understand
that
I.
Think
if
you
ask
these
students,
most
of
them
have
already
a
lease
for
2009
already
accomplished.
C
G
J
J
J
G
G
F
M
That
I
have
received
a
number
from
Athens
citizens
who
are,
they
are
eager
to
see
us
move
forward
with
some.
You
know
resolution
to
this
and
you
know
having
a
form
in
place
and
if
I
could
you
know
and
the
number
one
comment
that
I
get
seeing
it
from
citizens
as
I'm
out
is
code
enforcement,
and
you
know
working
with
landlords
and
making
this
a
livable
community.
It's
the
number
one
issue.
If
you
look
at
the
you
know
the
last
councilmember
at-large
voter
guide,
League
of
Women
Voters
questions.
M
C
J
Is
yeah?
That's
exactly
so.
There
is
some,
you
know.
I
say
150
dollar,
maximum,
fine
that
would
be
per
property,
so
I
mean
it
could
add
up
to
something
more.
But
but
you
know
for
a
lot
of
the
landlords
that
may
own
the
own.
You
know
one
or
two
or
three.
You
know
it
would
be
obviously
a
much
smaller,
but.
B
I
O
Would
agree
with
would
never
nicely
said
regarding
concerns
and
emails
that
I've
received
as
well
from
constituents
on
the
west
side.
I,
do
understand
the
spirit
of
the
ordinance
and
it's
good
intent,
but
I've
also
heard
concerns
from
the
other
side
as
well
from
landlords
and
the
challenges
that
they
face
in
this
in
this
issue.
So
I'm
torn
because
I
do
understand
that
none
of
these
issues
are
already
on
the
books
with
with
code
and
they
can
be
enforced
and
I.
Don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
need
grownups
that
happen
to
be
first-time
tenants.
O
So
it's
I'm
torn
because
I
do
see
the
good
intent
behind
this
and
communicating
and
educating
people
and
as
I've
learned
from
member
Bane's
efforts
in
educating
the
community
about
recycling
and
and
so
I
education
is
huge
and
very
important,
which
is
I.
Think
the
background
behind
us,
but
I
think
it
looks
like
it
needs
tweaking
or
some
some
thing
addressed
somehow
can't.
O
C
E
Couple
things
when
this
is
being
put
forth
the
process
over
two
different
subtext,
one
one
is
information
to
the
student.
The
other
one
is
to
track
the
number
of
students.
If
we
were
doing
for
information,
which
I
think
was
the
main
thrust.
Eventually,
one
of
the
things
I
had
suggested
loading
time
ago
was
to
actually
put
this
information
on
the
on
the
door.
I
think
that
was
nixed
at
the
time
with
the
council
that
was
in
place.
E
In
other
words,
it
would
not
take
create
a
Paper
Chase,
but
the
requirement
is
all
this:
information
would
have
to
be
posted
and
placard
in
within
the
residents
of
Earth
in
a
rental
unit.
I
think
some
people
felt
that
was
unnecessary
or
something
like
that.
The
other
thing
is
in
terms
of
trying
to
track
down
your
students
to
get
them
to
sign.
E
They
have
to
sign
a
paycheck
every
time
or
they
do
cash,
but
that
so
you're
interacting
with
them
once
a
month,
at
least
it's
on
some
level,
and
this
wouldn't
take
much
to
get
this
information
to
them.
Have
them
sign
this
I'm
surprised
that
they
refused
to
sign
it.
It
worst
case
scenario:
they
could
sit
there
and
screw
something
old
edge
of
all.
So,
to
my
mind,
that's
not
it's
not
it's
a
moot
point
to
say
we
can't
sign.
We
won't
sign
its
entry
into
our
privacy,
its
knowledge
of
them.
If
they
don't
sign
it.
E
Maybe
the
thing
to
do
is
to
get
rid
of
the
warning
option
and
just
go
ahead
and
hammer
them
whenever
there's
a
you
know,
start
off
with
$100
later
fine
and
go
up
from
there.
I
mean
that's.
What
I
hear
right
now
is
that
the
$20
start
is
way
too
too
light
for
them
all
in
all.
I
think
we
should
just
move
ahead
and
start
the
the
prosecution
phase.
At
this
point,
you
can
see
where
we
end
up.
C
D
Recollection
of
the
discussion
at
the
time
is
that
there
was
a
you
know.
Another
purpose
not
I
mean
I
I
liked
the
idea
of
having
the
information
just
posted
somewhere
for
attendance,
but
there
was
also
an
interest
in
trying
to
deal
with
over
occupancy
of
rental
units
and
a
really
deep
frustration
for
people
who
live
in
close
in
neighborhoods
who
were
dealing
with
some
of
the
you
know,
stresses
and
quality
of
life
issues
in
because
landlord
tenant
law
provides.
The
the
city
has
to
give
24
hours
notice.
Before
going
and
doing
inspections.
E
I
had
something
on
that
over
occupancy,
there's
been
I
being
a
member
of
the
Neighborhood
Association.
At
one
time
we
would
have
regular
meetings
with
the
previous
mayor
and
actually
parts
of
the
university.
We
were
always
striving
to
try
getting
a
database
of
local
addresses
to
the
students
to
not
for
the
general
public,
but
to
cross-reference
with
our
with
our
code
office
in
terms
of
number
of
rentals.
So
if
you
had
six
names
addressed
to
one
residency,
you
could
actually
obviously
say.
Obviously
the
local
address
is
such
that
there
is
an
over
occupancy
problem
here.
E
The
other
thing
that
that
assumes,
of
course,
that
the
university
is
willing
to
cooperate
with
that.
The
other
side,
of
course
you
have
to
say,
okay,
is
over
occupancy
a
you
know,
lack
of
knowledge
from
the
the
tenant
or
purposely
to
save
money
from
the
tenant
and,
in
one
case,
there's
a
section
of
code
that
requires
a
placard
in
your
house
or
someplace
on
file
within
the
landlord
of
occupancy.
So
the
postcard
about
yay,
big.
F
E
And
therefore
that
I've
seen
in
some
houses
and
my
travels
on,
you
know
campaigning
up
and
down
this
actually
on
in
the
front
door
or
something
like
that,
so
that
gives
knowledge
to
the
students.
We
can
see
this
thing
now.
I'm
only
supposed
to
have
three
people
in
here
I've
got
four,
and
why
does
this
say
only
three?
They
can
ask
that
question
on
other
hands,
they're
perfectly
willing
to
add
that
extra
person
to
cut
back
the
amount
to
share
the
rent.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
deal
with
that?
C
We've
heard
from
the
law
director
members
of
council
I
know,
members
of
citizens
have
come
to
speak
to
us
also
and
so
I'm
gonna
give
them
a
chance
again.
I
I
believe
that
we're
gonna
have
to
have
a
work
session
sometime
in
the
very
near
future,
to
discuss
this,
and
this
only
because
we
have
an
agenda
with
a
good
deal
left
on
it,
and
we
can't
spend
much
more
time
than
we
would
like
to.
Probably
so,
I
am
gonna.
Ask
citizens
who
want
to
speak
to
these.
H
Good
evening
I'm
matt
baume
20
sunnyside
drive
and
co-chair
of
the
Near
East
Side
neighborhood
association.
Quite
often
we
develop
laws
because
there's
a
problem
of
behavior
fact.
Many
of
our
laws
are
written
to
resolve
some
kind
of
a
problem,
I
Drive
off
and
now
maybe
not
all
that
often
between
here
in
Columbus
and
I've
noticed
when
I
Drive
between
Athens
and
Nelsonville
about
95
percent
of
the
people
are
exceeding
the
speed
limit,
which
is
55
miles
an
hour.
Sometimes
you
tell
people
it's
55
55.
We.
H
Going
60
62
and
quite
often
the
police,
don't
do
anything
about
it.
They
tend
to
say
well,
if
you're
going
a
little
bit
above
and
they're
sort
of
general
I,
don't
know
how
much
it's
true,
but
there's
this
feeling.
If
you
go
about
5
miles
above
the
speed
limit,
they
aren't
going
to
get
you
try,
7
or
8,
and
they
may
get
you
should.
We
say
well
should
change
the
law.
Why
don't
go
ahead
and
make
it
60?
You
know:
we've
argued
about
east
8th,
Street
people
go
35
miles
an
hour.
H
The
mere
ice
near
East,
Side
neighborhood
association,
is
in
favor
of
enforcement
in
favor
of
the
education,
because
we
think
it's
needed.
We
think
it's
an
important
element
of
the
total
process
of
renting
a
house.
Now
it's
been
suggested
that
the
minor
misdemeanor
may
be
a
little
bit
harsh
and
it
may
be,
and
that
may
be
something
worthy
of
a
working
session
and
it's
been
suggested
tying
it
to
the
rental
pier,
which
I
think
is
a
very
good
argument.
H
But
then
the
mayor
says:
well:
the
rental
permits
are
due
in
January
there's
a
very
simple
solution
to
that:
I've
never
quite
figured
out
why
rental
permits
in
a
city
which
almost
all
rentals
are
from
summer
to
summer
are
in
January.
It
makes
absolutely
no
sense,
and
so
the
simple
solution
is
change.
The
rental
permits
from
June
to
June,
and
then
you
come
in
and
say
I'd
like
to
renew
my
rental
permit
for
next
year
and
you
say:
I'm
sorry
you
haven't
filed
it
represent
information
I
think
they
haven't
solved.
That
problem.
H
P
Joseph
Rennick
34,
Grosvenor
Street,
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
the
law
director's
office
should
be
congratulated
on
getting
his
I
read
in
the
oh,
you
post
50
cent
percent
compliance
simply
by
an
announcement
and
I
would
guess
a
few
letters.
I
looked
at
the
the
list,
I
think
in
early
a
part
of
this
year
and
I
think
it
was
about
20
15
20
percent.
So
this
is
no
time
to
back
off.
This
is
time
to
move
forward.
A
few
cases
I
suggest
would
drive
that
very
close
to
a
hundred
percent.
P
They
also
read
in
the
post
article
that
the
all
options
to
be
considered
were
simply
eliminating
the
law
or
requesting
the
fellow
director
move
forward
with
the
existing
law
or
modifying
the
existing
law.
I
detect
little
support
for
eliminating
the
law,
I
hope
I'm
right,
as
between
the
other
two
alternatives.
P
Consider
if
you
will
that,
as
cases
are
filed,
they
may
be
fought
upon
occasion
and
that
defense
attorneys
may
file
motions.
The
court
may
tell
say
there
are
problems
with
this
law
which
require
a
change,
so
it
would
seem
to
me
to
make
sense
to
put
off
make
any
changes
that
you
may
anticipate,
or
you
may
want
to
make
and
wait
until
we
get
some
experience
with
the
existing
law
and
then
then,
if
necessary
or
if
desired,
make
changes
at
that
point.
P
Do
I
think
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
President
of
the
Council
in
which
that
was
his
suggestion
and
I
agree
with
him.
I
really
urge
you
to
to
move
forward
now.
I
think
you'll
find
a
higher
level
employed,
oven
compliance
than
you
expect
I
think
you'll
be
better
in
a
better
position
to
make
whatever
changes
you
want
to
make
later
on
after
you've
had
some
court
experience.
P
If
you
don't
move
forward
your
dishonouring,
not
only
that
the
people
who
really
really
want
to
see
this
law
go
into
effect,
you're
also
dishonouring,
those
landlords
who
have
complied
so
you
know
I,
would
order
you
to
move
forward
and
not
wait.
Go
ahead
and
file.
Some
cases
see
what
happens
I.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
C
C
Q
Speaking
both
as
a
citizen
and
as
a
rental
manager,
so
I
see
both
sides
of
this
I
do
have
I'm
one
of
the
landlords
to
do
the
form
most
of
mine
I.
Think
all
of
them
have
turned
it
in
the
concerns
that
I
have
are
I,
feel
uncomfortable,
explaining
the
laws
to
the
kids.
I'm
didn't
pass
any
of
the
ordinances
I
wasn't
here
when
any
of
them
were
passed.
So
therefore
I
tell
them
that
if
they
have
any
questions,
they
need
to
go
talk
to
the
city.
Q
The
thing
that
I
see
I
think
the
theory
behind
the
form
is
good,
I
think
the
implementation.
Maybe
it
was
wrong.
The
kids
aren't
reading
it
they're
signing
it
because
they
think
they
have
to
to
get
the
place
that
they
want.
Like
you
said,
the
good
places
are
gone.
You
know
sometimes
before
September,
so
I
think
that's
part
of
the
problem.
You
know
I
I,
guess
I
know,
there's
a
specific
purpose
of
putting
it
towards
the
student
neighborhoods
or
stuff
like
that.
But
why
are
we
you
know?
Q
I
was
a
new
resident
here
six
years
ago,
should
I
have
had
to
sign
this
form,
so
I
know
what
the
laws
was
Unitas.
These
understandings
are
kids
students,
but
I
don't
feel
like
I
should
be
spoon
feeding
them.
They
are
adults,
you
know
most
of
them,
don't
even
read
my
lease
I
have
to
go
through
and
if
they
mess
up
with
something
on
their
lease,
I
have
to
explain
that
to
them.
R
And
I
also
am
a
landlord,
but
also
a
member
of
the
Westside
neighborhood
association
and
I
live
at
117.
Central
I
I
do
comply
with
the
law.
I.
Think,
though,
that
it
it
should
be
changed
somewhat
and
I,
like
Paul's
idea
of
having
something
posted
in
the
house
like
having
the
rules
post
to
the
house,
because
I've
had
the
same
experience
as
name
was
with
my
tenants:
they
read
it.
Maybe
they
read
it
really
fast
I
mean
I
could
read
it
to
them.
R
I
guess,
but
actually
my
tenants
had
lived
in
Athens
for
several
years
before
they
rented
the
house.
So
I
didn't
really
see
a
need
to
do
that,
but
I
think
having
something
posted
in
the
house.
It
like
a
laminated
piece
of
paper.
Maybe
the
code
enforcement
office
could
bring
it
when
they
do
the
inspections
or
or
or
they
could
be
sent
to
landlords.
Depending
on
how
many
rental
units
they
have
I,
think
something
like
that
would
be
a
lot
more
education,
a
lot
more
effective
and
and
I
think
the
landlords
would
feel
more
like
their.
R
This
law
has
more
of
a
purpose
because
I
think
a
lot
of
people
just
feel
like.
Oh
well,
you
know
all
my
tenants
like
I,
don't
know
you
know
just
looked
at
it
really
quickly
and
signed
it,
and
they
are
really
busy
at
the
time
so
busy
that
was
very
difficult
to
even
get
him
to
sign.
It
so
I
think
something
like
that
would
make
a
lot
more
sense
to
change
it
slightly.
Maybe
have
some
form
yeah
for
all
these
laws
and
they'd
be
put
in
the
house.
Thank
you
also.
C
R
C
K
John
can
I
ask
you
56
miles
street
I'm,
not
a
landlord
and
I
am
a
member
of
the
Westside
neighborhood
association.
Many.
K
I
was
particularly
relieved
to
see
this
instrument
come
forward
in
this
new
code,
written
into
this
new
law
written
into
code
or,
however,
you
want
to
word
it
because
I,
don't
really
think
it's
my
responsibility
to
tell
the
renters
next
story
that
no,
that
mattress
can't
sit
out
in
your
yard.
You
need
to
get
rid
of
it
right.
They
should
already
know
these
things.
They
should
understand
how
they
have
to
maintain
to
a
certain
extent.
K
Most
of
the
landlord's
in
town
are
very
familiar
with
all
the
codes
that
are
listed
in
the
document.
I
think
like
other
issues
in
this
town.
This
should
be
given
an
opportunity
to
go
forward,
such
as
a
24-hour
parking
rule,
which
doesn't
please
me
because
I
have
to
move
my
car
every
day.
Even
though
I
walk
has
it
been
effective
in
preventing
storage
parking
in
our
neighborhoods?
Yes,
so
that's
why
I
do
it?
F
C
K
C
C
Which
we
may
well
be
able
to
reach
senses
about
moving
ahead
with
this
pile
that
the
law
director
has
or
looking
at
some
other
options,
but
I,
don't
think
we
have
time
for
everybody
to
sit
here
tonight
and
do
that
so
I
appreciate
you
coming
talking
to
us.
We
will
let
you
know
well.
I'll
do
this
session
soon
we're
gonna
move
on.
C
C
J
Unfortunately,
don't
have
that
in
front
of
me
right
now,
but
basically
what
it
says
is
that
every
basically
every
organization
that
extends
credit
of
any
kind
has
to
have
in
place
certain,
which
is
probably
a
good
goal
to
have
in
place
certain
safeguards
against
identity
theft,
such
as
locking
files
and
making
sure
that
people's
personal
identifying
information
is
kept
safe,
and
so
it's
it's
certainly
a
a
good
idea,
but
they
didn't
give
us
much
time
to
work
on
this.
The
law
goes
into
effect
on
November
1st.
We
just
got
notice
of
this
last
week.
J
I
believe
it
was
so
we
won't
be
needing
to
suspend
in
order
to
pass
this
and
again.
This
is
basically
there's
something
that
didn't
answer
the
question,
the
obvious
question
as
to:
why
does
this
apply
to
us?
There
was
a
a
ruling
that
basically
anyone
that
runs
a
utility
so
technically,
because
we're
charging
people,
for
you,
know
water
service.
After
you
know,
the
water
has
been
delivered.
That
is
technically
extending
them
credit.
If
that's
what
the
federal
government
tells
us,
so
that's
why
we
have
a
solution.
I.
E
J
Got
that
from
these
from
the
Ohio
Municipal
League
that
was
actually
based
on
the
Cleveland
model,
which
was
based
on
the
I,
think
Nashville
Tennessee
model,
and
so
it
may
be
a
little
more
comprehensive
than
what
we
really
need
for
our
purposes
here.
Then
something
I'm
happy
to
take
a
look
at
and
make
any
recommendations,
but
I
mean
ultimately
it'll,
be
the
council
as
to
what
what
exactly
the
policy
is
going
to
be.
C
Miscellaneous
tough
number
bein
brought
us
a
trash
container
here,
and
she
mentioned
when
she
was
talking
about
the
landlord
tenant
form.
One
of
the
issues
that
has
always
bothered
me
was,
it
clearly
says
the
trash
will
be
stored
out
of
sight
behind
the
front
of
the
house
in
approved
containers,
and
she.
I
S
G
G
K
G
That
yes
and
I
bought
one
when
the
top
got
lost,
cuz
I
didn't
think
I
should
be
not
having
a
top
on.
My
garbage
can
and
it's
lasted
for
two
years,
and
it's
not
quite
perfect,
but
it
looks
pretty
good.
It's
pretty
sturdy
and
so
I
think
stipulating
isn't
a
bad
idea
for
next
1st
of
September.
C
F
T
I'd
know
ed
Newman
career
Street.
The
only
fly
I
see
in
that
is
the
tops
like
on
a
windy
day,
it'll
still
blow
that
top
off
I
have
hundreds
of
those
on
campus
and
that's
what
happens.
G
T
G
G
Could
we
stop
for
a
moment
and
ask
yeah
how
long
do
you
want
to
breathe?
Oh.
G
C
M
A
miscellaneous
item
for
community
issues
and
just
to
announce
to
the
community
citizens
who
might
be
listening
that
we
do
still
need
some
volunteers
for
the
street
patrols
to
go
out.
City
Safety
teams
to
go
out
with
city
personnel.
We
have
a
9:00
to
12:00
shift
and
a
12:00
to
3:00
a.m.
shift,
and
that
is
for
this
Saturday
night
and
a
lot
of
us
have
been
members
of
that
before
you
go
in
a
little
bit
ahead
of
time,
probably
an
hour
ahead
of
time.
M
You
get
your
gear
and
we'll
be
wearing
white
this
year,
I
hear
and
you
get
instructions
on
and
form
together
in
groups,
and
so
it's
a
it's
a
safe,
endeavor
I
think
it's
a
really
good
community
service
kind
of
presence
out
on
Halloween
night
to
know
that
there
are
people
out
there
in
the
streets
willing
to
give
help
instructions,
directions
that
kind
of
thing
and
just
be
a
presence
that
people
have
open
containers
and
places
where
they
don't
they're
not
supposed
to
have
them.
So
I'd
make
a
plea
to
anybody
who
has
a
few
hours.
I
M
F
U
U
Mike
you
wanna
join
us
here,
so
the
Welkin
team
has
been
looking
at
ways
to
improve
our
water
protection
plan.
The
point
where
I
think
they
sort
of
continuous
lies
as
they
encounter
problems
and
as
they
looked
at
other
ordinances
that
other
cities
have
in
place
and
they
find
ideas
that
might
work
here
in
Athens
and
they
put
these
together
in
mr.
Cooper's
from
the
athens
city,
county
polk
department
and
he
has
he's
in
charge
of
enforcing
the
whole
head
protection
plan
hired
on
by
the
city.
U
He's
been
doing
this
for
a
couple
years
now,
I
believe
and
I've
passed
out
on
summaries
of
this
to
councilmembers.
This
is
all
the
changes
you'll
see
in
there.
They're
numbers
1
through
I,
believe
it's
15
and
in
red
is
new
text.
That's
being
added
to
the
ordinance
in
black?
Is
existing
text
and
I
just
figured
Mike?
You
could
sort
of
go
through
this
with
us
here
and
offer
any
comments
that
you
have
so.
L
Basically,
what
we're,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
we've
been
looking
at
the
ordinance
we've
been
looking
at
the
ordinance
of
several
other
cities
in
the
state
of
Ohio,
namely
Dayton
and
Xenia
area.
Dayton
was
the
pioneer
wellhead
protection
program
in
the
state,
and
we
had
that
our
meeting
last
Thursday
we
had
a
couple
of
representatives
from
the
city
of
Dayton
come
and
tell
us
about
some
of
their
experiences.
L
They
certainly
have
some
challenges
that
would
be
worse
tonight,
worst
case
scenario
stuff
here
they
have
Superfund
sites
sitting
on
their
well
fields
and
just
a
whole
lot
of
other
issues.
It's
an
industrial
town.
All
this
was
in
place
before
they
passed
their
wellhead
ordinance,
so
they
had
to
do
a
lot
of
backtracking
to
begin
with
and
certainly
had
an
uphill
fight.
But
what
they've
done
is
pretty
remarkable.
L
The
changes
that
we're
proposing
to
the
ordinance
come
from
one
looking
at
other
ordinances
and
two
from
comments
that
we've
received
and
complaints
that
we
received
from
from
the
citizens
concerning
certain
activities
in
the
wellhead
that
we
didn't
feel
were
covered
at
Whitley
in
the
current
version
of
the
ordinance.
So.
F
U
I
have
forwarded
these
to
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
met
with
one
local
business
person
that
may
be
impacted
by
this,
so
I
have
their
comments,
some
of
the
ones
that
council
should
should
be
aware
of
in
terms
of
thinking
over
how
to
implement
these
Nikolaus
should
one
is
change
its
adding
a
discontinuous
of
use.
We
have
one
paragraph
in
there.
This
is
changing
that
and
adding
to
it
so
that
any
property,
that's
any
property
that
is
no
longer
being
used
for
60
days,
has
to
remove
regulated
substances.
U
L
L
G
Wondering
like
about
the
MSDS
sheets,
you
have
them
submitting
them
with
their
registration,
but
wouldn't
you
want
them
to
keep
them
on
the
site
too?
Yes,.
L
We
we
do
want
MSDS
needs
to
be
on-site
at
the
facility
and
I
believe
there's
already
language
in
place
in
the
current
Norden.
That's
requiring
that
we
do
want
that,
though,
that
materials
submitted
to
us
in
a
situation
where
we're
doing
a
facility,
expansion
or
a
new
construction
project.
We
want
to
know
what
is
going
to
be
on
site
and
what
we
can
expect
in
terms
of
spill
control
and
potential
hazards.
Since.
I
L
And
again
they
are
we
review
the
MSDS
sheets
when
we
go
back
and
do
our
registration
follow-up
inventory
inspections,
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
the
files
and
see
if
there
have
been
any
changes.
We
are
also
in
here
proposing
some
changes
to
the
registration
process
and
we're
asking
for
a
little
more
information
and
I.
Think
we'd
like
to
tighten
up
the
frequency
of
registration
to
either
instead
of
every
three
years
we
want
to.
L
Maybe
look
at
maybe
consider
looking
at
it
manually-
and
you
know,
part
of
our
language
in
here
is
to
put
put
sort
of
the
burden
of
the
registration
renewal
on
the
entity
itself.
We
will
supply
you
with
four,
but
we
want
you
to
update
with
us
any
changes
to
your
facility,
so
we
know
what
to
expect
when
we
come
around
for
regular
inspections,.
U
So
one
of
one
of
the
things
that
we're
proposing
to
do
here
is
adding
language
relating
to
construction
or
modification
of
the
land
and
water
protection
area
and
also
fill
operations
in
regards
to
construction.
We've
we've
included
language
that
talks
about
what's
prohibited
to
be
used
as
landfill
in
the
water
protection
area.
U
Yet
if
this
would
work
for
all
sites,
so
we
might
have
to
change
the
language
slightly,
but
it
proposes
that
any
site
in
the
Walker
protection
area
would
have
to
have
limited
and
controlled
access
and
be
secured
and
we're
not
talking
about
really
expensive,
offenses
or
anything
high-tech
here,
just
even
something,
I
think
as
simple
as
you
mentioned,
my
convert
unit
previous
conversation,
simple,
was
it
a
chain?
That's
across
the
entrance
road
and.
L
What
again,
what
Allah,
who
is
saying
here
and
what
we
want
to
try
to
do
is
control
access
to
these
sites.
So,
in
the
middle
of
the
night
we
don't
have
somebody
come
and
depositing
material
that
the
owner
might
not
be
aware
of,
and
so
it's
it's
not
only
to
protect.
You
know
the
wellhead
protection
area,
but
we're
also
looking
at
to
kind
of
protect
the
owner
from
unauthorized
operations.
U
Another
proposed
addition
to
the
to
the
ordinances
to
to
have
a
prohibition
on
fuel
storage,
tanks
above
ground
fuel
storage,
tanks.
That
would
be
permanent,
so
this
list
wouldn't
apply
to
temporary
tanks
for
construction
purposes.
I've
been
made
aware
that
for
certain
emergency
facilities
that
this
might
not
be
possible
where
they
need
a
generator
to
be
available
for
your
tricity,
the
hospital,
those
nursing
home
facilities
that
may
be
built
in
the
future,
so
we
may
have
to
modify
that
somewhat
to
comply
with
that.
U
Another
possibility
for
this
getting
in
the
way
of
proposed
activity
in
the
wall
head
protection
area
is
with
the
recreation
area
where
they
may
have
mowers
and
another
equipment
like
that
and
need
a
fuel
source
somewhere
nearby.
So
that's
that's
still
being
looked
at
and
and
I'm
not
sure
what
the
final
version
would
look
like.
I
think.
L
It's
one
at
one
point
that
the
folks
from
Dayton
made
in
their
presentation
on
Thursday.
They
have
a
golf
court.
You
know
simple
golf
course
that
sits
on
top
of
one
of
their
well
fields
a
advantage
to
them
as
they
own
it
and
they
control
it.
But
as
far
as
pesticide
fertilizer
applications
are
concerned,
they
have
a
a
well
established
schedule
of
application
rates
of
application
and
a
requirement
that
none
of
that
material
is
stored
at
the
facility.
L
At
the
golf
course
itself,
it
is
stored
out
of
the
wellhead
protection
area
and
brought
in
as
needed
and
again
they
have
a
particular
advantage
because
they
do
own
administer
and
manage
the
golf
course,
and
one
point
mr.
shoemaker
made
in
his
presentation
is
that
it's
a
wellhead
first
in
a
golf
course.
Second,
and
you
can
kind
of
tell
by
looking
at
the
facility,
I
grew
up
in
Dayton
I
learned
how
to
play
golf
at
that
place.
L
L
P
L
That's
why
one
they
don't
want
the
material
stored
at
the
site
and
they
very
carefully
monitor
the
application
of
the
material
and
they
very
carefully
monitor
the
groundwater
around
a
golf
course
I.
What
did
Jen
say?
They
had
something
like
3035
monitoring
wells
scattered
around
the
golf
course
so
they're
constantly
looking
at
the
water
quality,
they
have
had
to
go
to
considerable
expense
in
some
areas
around
Dayton
to
clean
up
contaminated
well
field,
not
specifically
the
golf
course,
but
other
industrial
areas
around
town.
L
So
I
guess
the
big
lesson
we
learn
from
them
is-
and
this
is
this
is
true
of
anything.
If,
once
the
water
supply
gets
contaminated,
it's
extremely
expensive
to
clean
it
up,
and
if
you
can't
clean
it
up,
you
got
a
big
problem
on
your
hands,
especially
for
us,
because
we
are
so
limited
in
the
area
that
we
had
to
draw
water
from.
It
could
potentially
be
catastrophic
and.
U
U
So
I
would
argue
for
stiff
fines
for
those
types
of
violations.
The
second
addition
to
the
penalty
section
is
that
any
entity
or
person
found
to
have
actually
contaminated.
The
water
in
the
welcome
protection
area
would
also
be
subject
to
a
ten
thousand
dollar.
Fine
that
one
I'm
not
so
sure
about
right
now,
I
think
if
the
source
can
be
pinpointed,
they
would
be
subject
to
EPA
fines
and
all
that
the
court
associated
cost
with
with
cleanup.
But
but
that
is
being
suggested
as
a
possibility.
L
U
U
G
Appreciate
yours,
the
work
on
this
one
thing
I
my
two
experiences
with
dumping
that
I
thought
were:
problems
were
addressed
by
vigilance
on
the
parts
of
citizens
and
that
would
have
been
in
both
cases
filling
with
inappropriate
materials
with
asphalt
again
other
materials.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
way
you're,
spelling
it
out
and
and
I
think
that
there
was
a
recent
incident
about
this
summer.
You
know
something.
I
L
It's
something
that's
you
know
we,
we
do
have
some
portions
in
the
well
well,
fields
that
are
in
the
flood
zone
and
in
order
for
those
properties
to
be
developed,
they're
gonna
have
to
be
brought
up
out
of
the
100-year
floodplain
to
FEMA
specifications,
so
some
filling
is
gonna,
be
necessary.
I
think
it
behooves
us
to
monitor
closely
and
regulate
it
as
much
as
possible
to
make
sure
it's
done
safely
effectively
and
without
risk
to
the
wellhead
protection
area.
So.
L
F
L
D
You
know
appreciate
the
thought
that
has
gone
into
all
of
this
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
me
to
see
this
with
the
actual
strike
through
a
new
language.
You
know
in
place
in
the
ordinance
to
make
sure
I
mean
I
think
that
sometimes,
when
we've
undertaken
significant
revisions
of
areas
of
code,
there
can
be
issues
of
cross-referencing
and
and
how
things
all
fit
together,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
see
together
what
the
proposal
is.
You.
U
E
Thanks
for
doing
this
again,
I
know
you
attended
the
well
head
training.
Am
I
presented
there
and
you
can't
really
emphasize
too
much
that
aquifer
is
sensitive,
moderately
sensitive
and
that,
if
it
were
to
be,
you
know,
contaminated
grossly
contaminated.
That
I
think
the
next
option
was
discusses
piping
it
from
the
Ohio
River.
So.
O
E
F
F
T
Good
to
see
that
this
is
happening,
I
always
felt
that
this
wellhead
protection
plan
was
was
weak
and
there's
other
two
things
that
I'd
like
to
just
put
out
there
for
consideration,
whether
it's
through
this
process
or
in
the
future,
there's
a
lot
of
it.
You
know
that
you
talk
about
wand
mowers
being
over
there.
Well,
there's
huge
amount
of
cars
at
Park,
West,
State,
Street
and
you
know
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
for
pollution
from
from
leaking
chemicals
from
vehicles
at
any
given
time.
T
I
know
that
one
time
they
went
and
looked,
and
they
didn't
see
any
stressed
vegetation,
one
time
when
that
was
when
out
there
to
look
at
that,
but
that
should
probably
be
done
every
week,
not
just
one
time
in
a
year
and
then
also
if
we
ever
get
this
golf
course.
If
you
look
at
all,
you
know
it's
it's
sort
of
to
me.
Like
you
know,
my
gut
feeling
is
putting
a
golf
course
in
your
wellhead
protection
zone
and
putting
all
these
chemicals
on.
It
is
playing
Russian
roulette
with
your
with
your
wellhead
source.
T
So
it's
it's
a
pet
idea.
I
mean
if
there's
a
way
to
do
a
golf
course
without
putting
chemicals
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
and
should
be
explored,
but
putting
things
that
are
supposed
to
kill.
You
know
remember
other
members
of
our
biotic
community,
where
you're
getting
your
water,
just
you
know
intuitively,
doesn't
make
sense.
Thank
you.
U
Thank
you
for
your
comments
and
I
agree
with
what
you
said.
I
think
that's
something
we
need
to
look
at
down
the
line
and
several
communities
do
chemical,
free,
golf
courses
or
really
synthetic
chemical
for
you.
So
it's
something
that's
been
discussed
at
length
in
Athens
in
the
past
and
perhaps
we'll
see
it
again.
U
V
L
Concerns
about
West,
State
Street.
We
did
make
some
changes
in
our
program
and
we
have
been
looking
at
it
on
a
on
at
least
a
weekly
basis,
if
not
a
bi-weekly
basis.
I
think
that
will
probably
tail
off
a
little
bit
here
now,
because
baseball
season
is
over
and
we
anticipate
much
less
traffic
down
in
that
area,
but
we
have
been
in
particular
looking
at
that
issue
on
a
frequent
basis,
not
not
just
once
I
think
that
me
my
ending
comment
other
than
let's
take
care
of
the
well
field.
L
L
L
They
have
a
good
working
relationship
with
the
railroad
we've
established.
Contacts
with
the
railroad
here
I
think
it's
also
important
to
understand
that
they
too
have
their
own
security
issues,
and
there
are
some
things
that,
while
they're
cooperative
that
they
just
feel
in
their
security
interest
that
they
don't
want
to
put
out
there
for
the
public
and
I.
S
E
The
presentation
this
was
a
training
for
the
residents
for
in
the
wellhead
protection
area.
I
know
the
wellhead
protection
team
sent
out
about
700
letters,
700
plus
letters,
Dalton
neighborhood
people
in
that
area,
myself
included
I
attended.
You
did
as
well.
There
was
a
section
of
the
presentation
concerning
the
railroad
and
it's
a
great
threat.
It
documented
the
the
past
train
wrecks
that
have
occurred.
It
followed
the
effect
that
we've
kind
of
had
citizens
actually
report
slippage
on
the
railway
and
again
it
is
a
concerned
we've.
E
If
you
go
to
the
rail
area,
you'll
see
that
we
have
no
spring
signs
up
right
now,
so
they're
not
going.
You
know
herbicides
on
their
tracks,
so
we've
got
where
we're
working
on
it
and
again
that
it's
short
of
moving
to
train
tracks.
So
the
the
well
field,
you
know
it's
always
gonna,
be
a
high
risk
factor.
But
and
again
this
was
brought
up.
It
took
up
part
of
the
presentation
time.
Thank
you.
Yeah
yeah.
S
U
Well,
thank
you,
mr.
Cooper.
That's
all
silly!
Thank
you
not
only
for
helping
for
being
the
person
who
put
these
revisions
together,
but
also
for
your
great
work,
protecting
our
water
supply
here
from
business,
people
and
residents
alike.
So,
thank
you.
Oh
that's!
All
I
have
from
the
environment
quitting
so.
G
F
G
G
We
have
please
fire
streets
and
recreation.
We
move
people
around
a
little
bit,
so
they're
comfy
little
location
was
changed
and
what
we
would
like
you
to
do
will
show
in
a
minute
proprietary
fun
is
another
admin,
water
sewer
garbage.
What
we
have
are
some
materials
in
the
office.
The
expenditure
reports
and
bill
offered
to
offer
to
go
over
that
with
anyone
who
wants
we'd
like
to
add
a
list,
a
vehicle,
and
so
here's
what
what
we're
thinking
where
we'd
like
to
do
this
year.
G
F
G
G
The
second
thing
that
we're
talking
about
with
respect
to
staffing
is
that
we
really
need
to
find
out
if
the
overtime
this
year
was
typical.
A
typical
will
this
increase,
decrease
or
stay
daddy.
I
know
we
cannot
imagine
fire
calls,
but
all
the
same
you
know
there
are
things
that
we
we
probably
could
look
over
a
longer
time
frame.
G
A
second
thing
that
we
feel
like
we
have
to
get
a
handle
on,
especially
in
today's
world,
is
we
need
to
find
out
exactly
what
our
utility
costs
are
going
to
be,
especially
and
most
very
importantly,
we
have
natural
gas
utility
costs
and
electricity
and
gasoline.
The
first
two
are
needed
us
in
the
proprietary
funds.
I
mean
we
have
to
keep
the
buildings
warm
okay,
so
that
will
be
some
cost,
but
we
have
extensive
investment
in
the
to
utilities
and
we
do
have
those
money
secured
too.
G
So,
if
you
kind
of
are
following
along,
you
can
see
that
we're
gonna
first
of
all
look
put
together
staffing
in
utilities
and
we
ask
for
any
projected
decrease
in
utilities.
Oh
we're
going
to
do
this,
we're
going
to
do
that.
We
can
see
this
happening,
so
your
job
then,
is
to
take
the
2008
appropriation
in
your
area
and
subtract.
The
2009
projected
one
hundreds
and
two
hundreds
for
the
staffing
ordinance
and
subtract.
G
The
potential
utility
creep
increases
and
find
out
what's
left
for
the
expenditures
in
three
hundreds
and
for
hundreds
and
so
on,
but
we
also
have
to
back
up
I
guess:
I
didn't
even
remember
the
internal
service
fund,
but
and
then
we'd
like
you
to
go
out
and
kind
of
ask
around
them,
go
sit
with
the
people
in
the
sewer
plant.
I
mean
there's
nothing
like
it.
If
only
the
ambiences.
F
G
Need
that
experience
water
plan
is
more
difficult
because
of
homeland
security,
but
fundamentally
talk
with
the
people
and
ask
them
what
they
see,
because
I
think
we're
going
to
be
short
money
in
some
areas.
And
so
the
question
is:
do
you
want
to
still
have
that
Ola
Bamba
sitting
in
the
backyard
that
you're
driving
or
would
you
rather
have
an
intern?
So
there's.
F
G
C
F
C
C
G
F
G
C
G
W
G
F
W
G
G
F
F
X
X
X
But
this
gives
you
an
idea.
These
are
based
on
for
the
non-union
3%
increases,
which
is
what
they
get
for
raises.
If
they
have
a
union
such
as
police
and
fire,
it's
according
to
their
contract,
which
might
be
a
little
bit
different
from
that
I
highlighted
the
police
amount,
that's
the
current
amount
of
their
salary
budget,
so
it
depends
on
you
know,
they're
starting
negotiations
right
now
and
depends
on
what
time
increase
they
get
for
next
year.
How
much
that
will
go
up?
X
So
this
is
really
you
know
nobody
has
to
come
in
and
tell
me
just
you
know
you
can.
Let
me
know
after
you
look
at
it.
If
you
need
more,
I
mean
it
needs
to
be
completed
for
the
entire
city,
but
if
you
want
something
done
differently,
I'd
like
to
know
in
the
next
few
days
before
we
go
through
and
do
every
single
department,
which
is
you
know,
50
and
then
find
out
that
you
wanted
me
to
add
something
else
in
the
in
the
spreadsheet.
X
So
that's
the
purpose
of
that
and,
as
Nancy's
already
said,
you
really
start
with
the
staffing.
That's
them
our
defense
budget
and
the
other
thing
I
handed
out-
and
most
of
you
probably
saw
this
in
the
newspaper
last
week
within
this-
is
just
my
pitch,
for
we
already
have
talked
about
transfers
from
other
funds
to
the
internal
service
fund.
I
think
everybody
understands
the
necessity
for
that.
X
Those
are
our
mechanics
and
half
are
on
Forest
salary
because
of
the
work
he
does
with
the
computers
as
far
as,
but
we've
had
discussion
over
the
years
about
how
much
that
should
be
how
that
should
be
computed
in
that
in
that
fun,
it's
pretty
straightforward.
You
take
the
number
of
vehicles,
the
number
of
computers
and
whatever
the
budget
is
for
the
salaries.
There
are
very
few
supplies
the
supplies
come
out
of
the
individual
budgets
if,
if
a
sewer
department
car
needs
fixed
them,
breaches.
X
Comes
out
of
their
department
not
out
of
an
internal
service
anyway,
that
should
be
pretty
straightforward.
The
one
that
worries
me
is
the
internal
admin
transfers
and
those
are
what
you
might
call
the
overhead
costs
in
the
general
fund
for
the
services
that
are
provided
by
my
office,
the
mayor's
office,
Service
Safety,
Director
code
enforcement,
and
we
have
some
shortages
this
year
and
there
was
an
issue.
The
sewer
fund
didn't
have
anything,
budgeted
and
I
think
it
you
know.
If
they
can,
they
should
pay
their
fair
share.
X
We
write
paychecks
to
them
and
pay
their
bills
like
we
do
all
these
other
departments.
My
office
does
anyway,
and
so
I'd
like
to
talk
about
that,
getting
some
appropriations
to
make
those
transfers
by
the
end
of
the
year
or
just
nothing
else
in
the
issue
of
fairness,
because
some
departments
did
have
money
budgeted
and
they
are
paying
for
those
services.
What
this
article
is
is
just
points
out
the
fact
that
this
is
common
practice.
X
The
county
obviously
has
what
they
call
indirect
costs,
which
is
what
these
are,
that
these
many
departments
in
the
county
that
are
charged
through
the
commissioners
in
the
courthouse
for
paychecks
as
they
list
salary
supplies
certain
bills.
You
know
insurance
bills
are
paid
through
the
mayor's
office
for
all
vehicles,
property.
You
know
they
share
and
so
I
realize
there
is
an
issue
as
they
are
having
with
certain
funds
and
that's
the
sewer
fund
had
last
year,
I'm
not
having
the
money
to
pay
that,
and
that
would
be
the
last.
X
X
And
and
it's
a
legitimate
cost
and
I
feel
in
particular
in
the
proprietary
funds
that
do
make
money.
You
know
those
are
our
funds
operating
as
a
business,
and
if
they
were
a
private
company,
they
would
be
paying
those
overhead
costs
maybe
to
their
home
office,
whatever
that's,
basically
how
we
operate.
So
that's
my
pitch
for
that.
If
you
don't
look
over
that,
give
me
any
feedback,
anything
additional
that
you
want
in
the
meantime,
she's
already
given
me.
X
C
X
It's
easier
for
the
internal
service
fund
as
far
as
the
internal
admin,
the
Maximus
study
that
some
of
you
remember
was
done
a
few
years
ago.
We've
used
that
as
a
base,
we're
not
sure
that
the
entire
cost
of
the
services
should
be
charged.
But
that
might
be
something
you
could
decide.
You
know
maybe
80%
you
know,
but
yes,
we
aren't
working
on
that.
That
was
just
a
little
bit
harder
to
come
up
with,
but
we
have
started
that
process
and
we'll
get
that,
like
you
said
Jim
in
the
next
couple
weeks,.
D
The
Maximus
studies,
actually,
what
I
was
going
to
mention
for
newer
members
of
council
that
this
was
something
that
we
actually
had
a
third
party
from
the
outside,
come
in
and
do
some
analysis
of
how
much
time
goes
into.
You
know:
processing,
payroll
for
different
departments
and
things
like
that
to
kind
of
fairly
allocate
those
costs
and
part
of
it
was
looking
at
things
like
water
and
sewer
that
you
know
bring
in
their
own
revenue.
We
can't
use
that
revenue
for
our
general
revenue
expended.
D
You
know,
cost
that
the
city
has
to
cover,
but
it
is
fair
to
charge
them,
for
you
know,
payroll
and
some
of
those
general
admin
things
so
the
it
was
it
actually
based
on
an
analysis
of
the
the
cost
of
providing
those
services,
and
probably
there
are
still
copies
of
that
around.
If
newer
members
of
council
want
to
see
the
study.
F
G
I
X
F
C
G
S
G
M
G
B
U
G
C
I'm,
moving
on
give
a
request
from
Alexis
people
for
an
appropriation
from
their
fund.
They
have
them.
They
have
these
funds
to
purchase
some
equipment.
I.
Think
all
of
you
got
a
copy
of
this.
We
have
four
cameras
at
thirty
six
hundred
dollars
each
and
a
computer
that
they
use
for
editing
this
about
four
thousand,
the
total
of
eighteen
thousand
four
hundred
dollars.
Again,
the
money
is
in
their
fund.
They
just
need
an
appropriation.
C
U
Yeah
I
was
just
gonna
ask
if,
if
this
impacts
the
quality
of,
if
this
will
impact
the
quality
of
the
broadcast
or
or
if
these
are
necessary,
to
keep
things
when.
G
V
Right
now,
we
we
have
four
cameras
are
in
here
were
bought
in
2004
and
what
we've
done?
Typically,
there's
cameras
have
had
problems
or
issues,
we've
passed
them
down
to
a
lesser
chore
or
lesser
Duty.
For
instance,
if
there's
there's
about
three
things
can
go
wrong
with
camera
that
can
have
like
a
basically
got
a
motherboard
type.
Failure
in
the
camera
where
the
or
it
just
burns
up
and
fails.
V
It
could
be
a
tape,
transport
issue
where
it
eats
tapes
and
there's
problems
with
that
or
some
of
the
automatic
functions
start
failing
so
as
as
stuff
has
started
to
fail,
I
say:
I,
take
a
tape.
Transport
issue
has
happened,
we've
assigned
that
camera
down
to
where
it
just
needs
the
passive
video
signal,
etc.
V
We're
coming
to
the
point
right
now
where
I
have
about
three
of
the
cameras,
and
we
have
two
in
the
other
room
that
are
having
some
issues
to
have
been
come
have
come
from
this
room
down,
so
my
six
I
have
about
three
that
I
can
count
on
to
send
out
and
and
come
back
with
something
especially
we're
out
in
the
field.
So
yeah
we're
kind
of
getting
to
the
point
where
I
get
nervous
about
you
know
having
having
something
to
come
back
and
put
on
TV.
So.
B
At
the
same
time,
Jim
one
of
the
things
who
has
been
under
discussion
of
the
makeup
of
this
room
and
the
diets
that
we
all
set
at
and
everything
is
now
twenty
years
old
because
of
some
security
reasons
and
some
camera
angles
and
some
other
things
we
have
been
looking
at,
possibly
rearranging
and
redoing
this
room
with
a
lot
of
input
from
the
government.
People
that
have
brought
this
up
and
I
do
think
it's
something
that
probably
in
the
next
several
months
or
so
I
would
like
to
come
up
with
a
plan
for
several
reasons.
B
B
B
This
room
has
served
us
well
for
a
long
time,
but
I
do
think
we
can
probably
redo
it
and
do
better,
and
we
have
accumulated
money
in
that
fund
that
we
have
planned
on
using
it
for
that
purpose.
So
I
look
to
you
guys
for
any
other
ideas
that
you
may
have
that
I
think
I,
don't
know
exactly
when
we're
talking,
possibly
over
a
Christmas
break,
but
maybe
really
may
go
as
long
as
next
August
pray
to
to
really
do
it.
A
lot
of
this
would
still
be
reusable.
F
V
Other
thing,
too,
and
in
this
price
range
there's
a
I
haven't
narrowed
it
down
to
a
specific
model.
There's
couple
three
that
I'm
looking
at
in
this
price
range
that
would
work.
One
of
the
things
that's
really
interesting
is
what
they're
calling
the
a
green
camera,
which
is
basically
a
transport
las',
tapeless
camera
uses
less
battery
power,
less
energy
and
that
sort
of
things,
and
that
would
eliminate
one
of
the
pitfalls
of
the
camera
itself.
You.
E
Other
question
I
have
is
I
know
we
Ron
was
pushing
for
a
leasing
program
for
computers.
Is
this
computer
on
the
lease
that
you're
asking
for?
Is
that
different?
That
computer
requires
purchasing.
V
Well,
basically,
just
because
we're
able
to
typically-
and
if
you
look
at
it,
it's
an
apple
I'm,
a
big
apple
person
in
our
in
our
office,
typically
from
what
the
other
set
up
is
a
three
year
cycle
on
computers
generally
in
the
city,
and
this
is
not
being
a
PC.
We've
been
able
to
get
a
little
more
life
out
of
it.
It's
lasted
a
little
bit
longer
for
our
purposes
being
2003
model.
We
are
seeing
that
it's
starting
to
not
keep
up
with
the
software
requirements,
so
just.
F
S
C
C
N
C
C
E
Far
as
I
know,
the
Capri
has
right
now
is
broken
and
the
stabilization
is
they
can
borrow
stabilization
equipment
from
Richland
occasionally,
but
that's
only
if
you
know
they
can
get
you
no
coordination
at
the
time,
and
this
is
the
concept.
If
you
have
a
car,
that's
a
precarious
position
or
on
a
side
or
something
like
that
are
over,
that
they
can
actually
cut
people
out
without
you
know,
dropping
the
car
on
somebody
at
least
that's
the
way.
E
C
F
W
Comments
and
I
would
just
like
a
thought:
Debbie's
Walker
to
you
regarding
just
maiden
in
the
proposal
we're
doing
the
flood
plain
mapping
and
I'm
not
sure
this
is
what
the
lane
gets.
Your
intern,
who
she
works
under
you
have
paired
counsel,
so
I
didn't
know
you,
and
this
is
a
the
proposal-
is
from
our
JM
engineering,
Geoff
Maiden.
It
would
come
in
at
about
twenty
four
thousand
dollars
to
do
this.
D
W
D
You
know
we
have
a
task
force.
That's
been
working
on
bringing
the
cities
closely
rates
in
different
plans
with
FEMA,
and
also
looking
at
the
possibility
of
implementing
some
higher
standards
to
help
us
qualify
for
the
community
rating
system
so
that
everybody
can
save
money
on
their
flood
hazard
insurance
premiums
after
having
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
these
with
many
people
involved
from
the
city
of
the
county,
the
neighborhood's,
the
chamber,
we
were
then
informed
by
Oh
DNR
that
our
Maps
would
have
to
actually
be
done
by
an
engineer.
D
So
we,
you
know,
Elaine
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
maps
Nancy
helped.
There
was
some
consultation
with
ill
guard
to
get
all
the
data
into
the
model
so
that
we
could
look
at
twenty
or
and
fifty
year
lines,
partly
because
we
didn't
want
the
most
rigid
regulations
to
apply
to
folks
who
are
out
by
the
edge
of
the
hundred
year.
Flood
plain
we're,
assuming
that
some
of
the
regulations
could
apply
in
areas
that
are,
you
know,
closer
and
going
to
potentially
flood
more
frequently.
D
G
D
Sooner,
rather
than
later,
really
a
lot
of
the
work
has
been
done.
We've
gotten
feedback
from
ODNR
on
the
proposed
regulations,
and
you
know
if
you
count
up
the
number
of
people
and
businesses
that
are
paying
flood
hazard
insurance.
It
could
be
a
significant
savings
if
you,
you
know,
if
we
are
able
to
qualify
for
these
discounts.
G
G
Done
on
a
complimentary
basis,
I
just
don't
think
you
should
do
things
that
cost
a
lot
of
money
for
a
smaller
than
those
people
and
I
think
we're
we're
onto
something
now
we're
thinking
about
I'm
thinking
about
the
posters.
The
proposal
nothing
about
leaves.
You
can
come
back
with
a
leaf
proposal
later
on.
F
G
Leaf
pickup
is
sacrosanct
right
now
it
can
stay
the
way
it
is,
which
is
you
suck
them
up
along
the
edge
of
the
curve
with
a
very
expensive
piece
of
equipment,
and
what
else
goes
in
this
anybody's?
Sometimes
people
wrap
them
in
plastic,
and
then
people
dump
them
out
that
aggravates
my
neighbors
a
lot,
but.
G
Going
to
this
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
Christmas
tree
pick
up
those
two
of
things
re-encode.
This
is
not
in
the
code,
so
what
what
I
would
propose
is
and
they've
given
it
quite
a
bit
of
thought:
I
talked
to
Paul
about
it.
G
Last
week
we
define
the
pickup
as
between
the
1st
of
April
on
the
1st
of
November,
we're
not
the
you
know,
in
other
words,
during
the
plowing
season,
we
won't
be
doing
any
pickup
and
I'm
sure
they're
people
that
can
find
some
grass
to
cut
with
their
sisters
get
in
a
bag,
but
we're
talking
about
a
different
sort
of
system
going
on
now.
Obviously,
I
am
NOT.
G
This
is
not
garbage.
This
goes
into
the
compost
as
it
is
plastic
base
garbage
and
they
are
a
problem
in
a
nuisance.
So
we
need
to
require
our
citizenry,
who
choose
to
have
us
pick
these
up
at
the
curb
to
buy
these
that
CNA
errata
Lowe's,
if
we're
willing
to
commit
they're
about
50
cents,
a
piece
of
their
50
pounds
and
the
cost
of
PIPA
only
to
pick
up
so
the
bag
is
full.
G
G
We
have
to
have
a
sticker
on
it,
but
the
sticker
is
gonna
cost
you
two
dollars,
because
nothing
is
free
in
this
world
and
we
were
still
eat
to
be
doing
it
for
nothing,
so
the
$2
fee
will
offset
the
cost
of
picking
it
up
pay
for
the
truck
it's
a
zero-sum
game.
Folks,
there's
no
reason
why
the
street
department
should
be
bearing
the
cost
of
this.
The
money
should
go
back
to
them
and
the
stickers
would
be
purchased
in
advance.
G
Much
as
the
garbage
stickers
are
purchased,
we
can
talk
more
about
that
later,
but
the
$2
sticker.
This
is
probably
a
one-year
only
proposition
and
you
call
for
a
pickup
and
they
are
supposed
to
theoretically
organize
the
crowd.
Yes,
I
told
you
I've
seen
them
walk,
you
know
it's
kind
of
an
intern
type
of
job
and
then
for
the
second
year
we
can
possibly
get
a
different
pickup
agent.
H
G
D
With
if,
when
you
say
pieces
of
was,
if
you
mean
the
like
Russian
gold
sticks
and
stuff,
you
know
I
think
that
a
lot
of
people
really
appreciate
that
we
pick
those
things
up
and
I.
Don't
know
you
know
if,
when
we
have
a
big
windstorm,
we
have
a
lot
of
maples
that
are
subject
to
that
Verma
psyllium
wilt
and
they
drop
right.
F
D
I
just
think
we'll
end
up
with
a
bunch
of
piles
of
sticks
in
people's
backyards,
which
could
be
a
problem
in
terms
of
critters.
You
know
having
more
habitat
in
people's
backyards
if,
if
we're
charging
to
pick
up,
sticks
and
limbs,
even
if
it's
just
the
day-to-day
and
not
the
wind
storms,
there's
these
my
there
was
a
property
in
my
neighborhood
that
had
just
a
massive
pile
of
brush
in
the
backyard
for
years.
G
B
B
I
had
a
back
forty,
you
know
I'm,
probably
luckier
than
a
lot
of
people
on
the
amount
of
trees
that
I
have
on
my
property.
It's
I've
got
some
very
nice
trees.
That
drop
leads
all
the
time
and
drop,
sticks
and
branches
all
the
time
and
when
I
think
of
what
would
come
out
any
one
week,
if
I
would
have
to
fill
up
those
bags,
it
would
be
1015
bags
on
an
average
while
I
agree.
I,
not
mine,
pain
for
the
city
to
haul
things
away
and
I've.
B
I,
don't
think
two
dollars
for
that
bag
would
haul
much
away.
And
you
know
if
I
don't
know
I
again,
I
don't
mind
paying
for
the
service.
I'll
pay
for
it,
but
I
also
don't
want
to
have
to
own
an
old
truck
that
sits
on
the
back
of
the
property,
so
that
I
am
able
to
get
rid
of
stuff
just
to
have
for
a
very,
very
seldom
use
trip
to
the
recycling
center.
G
X
G
G
E
E
But
the
other
thing
you're,
seeing
if
you
drive
around
town
you'll,
see
this
house
the
threat
of
sticks
around
the
tree
trunks.
Many
times,
people
just
say
the
treat
dropped
it.
It's
the
trees
fault
to
pile
it
up
around
the
around
new
tree
trunks.
This
is
one
way
to
deal
with
the
the
bundles
that
you
don't
want:
a
bundle
grass
clippings,
there's
a
tendency
actually
now
that
we
all
can
own
blowers,
leaf
blowers
and
grass
blows
blow
it
out
into
the
street
18.
E
Numbers
I
gave
on
my
way.
Okay.
Essentially,
this
is
street
department,
annual
statistics
where
they
talk
about
leaf
trips
last
last
year
they
did
150
ladies
trip.
This
is
basically
the
vacuum
truck,
I,
believe
and
they'd.
You
know
they
fill
it
up
and
you'll
see
that
times,
eight.
Actually,
that's
his
calculation.
How
many
cubic
yards
times
by
eight
and
I'll
give
you
150
five.
E
These
are
compost,
he's
a
compost.
Everything
here
is
comfortable.
Yes,
their
yard
waste
bags
collected
we've
got
ten
thousand
eight
hundred
eighty-five
yard
way
backs.
These
are
grass
clippings
as
well
as
leaves
these
go
in
bags
out
there.
They
probably
have
a
discussion
I
had
with
Andy.
Is
this
to
make
this
work?
Actually
what
you
need
is
you
need
something
that
will
make
turn
this
into
confetti.
E
G
F
I
E
May
be
very
big,
maybe
yard
waste
bundles,
collected,
3532
yard
waste,
trees,
collected
I,
guess
these
are
trees.
That
is
this.
Could
all
I
know
if
the
Christmas
trees
it
doesn't
really
distinguishing
between
so
264
trees,
trimmed
2000
2080.
So
what
you're
seeing
here
is
these
are
the
it
does.
Take
a
lot
I
asked
that
I
was
discussing
with
Sandy
earlier
today.
E
He
says
it
takes
about
32
man
hours
per
week
to
do
this,
to
pick
up
the
yard
waste
and
usually
one
truck
to
take
it
out,
and
not
once
at
least
twice
so
so
you're
tying
up
one
truck
when
you're
tying
up
at
least
two
people
speaking
up
twice
a
week
at
this
point
and
it
does
cost.
The
question
is
I
think
the
reluctance
is.
E
P
E
I
suspect
right
so
we're
talking
about
different.
We
don't
want
to
do
that.
If
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
we'd
rather
say:
okay,
I'm
gonna,
pile
it
against
the
trees,
because
the
trees
fault
I'm,
gonna
blow
it
into
this
street,
because
it's
the
streets,
streets
problem
or,
as
you
say,
we
can
vacuum
it
up.
E
G
The
other
thing
when
I,
when
I
talked
to
Paula
I,
asked
her
she
could
next
quarter
run
because
of
the
educational
component
and
the
difficulties
of
getting
a
handle
on
this.
Do
a
test
area
and
come
back
to
us
on
the
clean
committee
report.
My
reasoning
was
that
it
would
be
really
hard
to
assess
the
impact
of
it.
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
before
you
know
how
it's
working
and
so
on.
I
think
people
blame
recycling
for
trash,
not
getting
picked
up
out
of
the
containers
in
front
of
stores.
G
I
just
don't
see
that
as
a
cause
and
effect
relationship.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
to
do
this
right
every
year,
we're
going
to
have
to
have
some
person
doing
the
talking
and
doing
the
educating
and
I
don't
see
who
it's
gonna
be
or
how
it's
gonna
be
paid
for.
I
guess
I'd
like
to
know
what
the
true
cost
will
be.
So
I
was.
W
G
Were
thinking
maybe
the
more
challenging
one
would
be
a
better
test
this
one
right
here,
I
mean
that
was
just
from
people
who
work
uptown,
but
I'll
appreciate
through
the
north
one
and
one
thing
I
think
that
we
have
to
be
absolutely
clear
on
if
a
container
full
of
trash
is
contaminated,
it's
trash
we're
not
going
to
be
separating
it
I,
don't
think
we
have
the
wherewithal
to
do
it
at
this
point
in
time.
I
think
you
know
you
have
to
go
into
this
with
your
eyes
wide,
open
and
I.
Think
that's
from
time.
G
Well
now
bill
we'll
talk
about
institutional
memory.
We
used
to
have
a
drop-off
recycling
container
out
at
the
city
garage
right
by
the
fountain
right
in
front
of
the
community
center,
the
one
that
some
people
like
to
tear
down
it
was
off
left
and
people
would
just
throw
stuff
in
and
I
remember
once
putting
some
cans
in
there
and
there
was
the
peanut
butter
jar.
You
know
full
of
peanut
butter
or
three
quarters
gone,
but
still
some
in
there,
and
you
know
what
happened
before
long.
G
You
had
different
types
of
animal
running
around
and
it
wasn't
just
for
a
shelter
they
actually
had
food.
There
was
a
regular
palace
for
them,
and
so
then,
after
the
second
time
was
at
the
actual
site
and
it
became
a
one-stop
drop-off
with
people
from
all
over
the
county.
Once
again,
they
dropped
off
their
recycling,
but
also
their
garbage.
F
G
F
G
G
G
M
Know,
I
can't
even
say
something
like
I've
saved
the
best
for
last,
but
it's
important.
We
have
two
items,
one
of
them.
The
first
one
would
be
the
walk
a
mile
in
her
shoes
and
I
just
wanted
to
update
people
of
what
I
was
planning
to
do
or
suggest,
as
a
council
there's
discussion
controversy
about
it.
This
is
a
group
that
is
walking
to
raise
money
for
a
local
organization,
and
men
will
be
walking
down.
M
However,
the
group
is
strapped
for
finances
and
does
not
have
the
money
to
pay
for
what
would
be
the
police
costs
while
they
are
walking
on
the
street,
which
I
think
were
estimated
at
about
a
thousand
dollars
the
reduced
rate
of
four
hundred.
They
said
they
still,
they
don't
they
don't
have
anything
to
pay
so
I'm
bringing
this
up
now,
rather
than
waiting
til
next
week,
as
I'd
like
to
hear
the
discussion
on
this
I
have
not
been
part
of
a
street
closing
where
fees
have
been
waived
before
so
I.
W
They
bring
him
in
on
I
overtime,
it's
three
hours
meadow.
So
do
you
know
if
you
have
a
number
in
the
number
of
intersections
the
last
I
heard,
and
perhaps
I
didn't
speak
with
them.
Since
you
did,
I
got
a
message
from
Brandon
to
the
today
that
stated
his
understanding
was
they
go
on
the
sidewalks
until
they
got
to
the
Ohio
University
property
I
just.
K
W
M
F
E
M
Resolution
to
it,
and
so
it
won't
need
to
come
before
council
then
next
week,
however,
I
do
have
an
update,
and
this
is
on
the
vehicles
for
the
street
department
and
I
met
with
Ray
hayslett
today
to
go
over
the
accounts,
so
I
would
understand
it
a
little
better.
We
have
two
ordinances,
one
that
was
passed
earlier
this
year
and
one
that's
in
process
now.
M
$16,000,
so
we
will
increase
the
appropriation
from
20
to
36
thousand
dollars
and
then
we're
gonna
even
increase
the
authorization
by
that
$16,000
from
sixty
to
seventy
six
thousand
dollars
so
I
just
going
over
the
math
with
you,
it's
basically,
we
didn't
get
the
trade-in
that
we
thought
we
would
now.
Andy
is
checking
he's
looking
into
some
other
possible
courses
of
action.
So
he
has
this
one,
this
bit
right
now,
that's
firm
if
he
can
get
a
better
deal
somewhere.
That
assures
him.
M
M
The
other
appropriation
is
oh
one
1708,
and
that's
the
one
that
we
began
a
few
weeks
ago.
It's
an
ordinance
for
the
two
new
trucks,
those
are
larger
vehicles,
the
3/4
ton,
diesel
and
the
street,
or
a
quarter
ton
gas
in
talking
with
Ray.
Today
he
urges
us
that
that
appropriation
was
started.
Saying
we're
gonna
buy
those
two
new
vehicles.
We
didn't
put
the
fifteen
thousand
dollar
light
pickup
truck
in
that
appropriation,
because
it's
not
necessarily
needed
when
it's
under
$25,000
ray
says
for
clean
tracking
records
and
documentation
during
the
audit.
M
M
M
W
The
bucket
truck
we
administration
all
wrong,
I
said
so.
No
we're
gonna
get
this
much
more
insurance.
And
what
have
you
as
opposed
to
saying
this,
is
so
much
to
get
a
new
one
and
then
let
that
all
flow
I
don't
have
a
feel
that
this
is
required
as
an
emergency.
But
once
it's
authorized
goes
through
the
readings
and
what-have-you,
then
he
can
encumber
the
money
from
2008
funds.