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F
G
G
Due
to
multiple
problems
that
have
been
experienced
over
the
years
with
setting
out
trash
on
the
curbs
every
night
from
businesses
and
students
and
people
that
live
out
in
the
Uptown
area,
and
then
the
second
part
which
we
will
continue
to
meet
will
be
about
the
actual
maintenance
of
sidewalks
and
trash
sites
and
recycling
sites
and
just
kind
of
overall
beautification
regarding
the
trash
so
I'm
going
to
let
because
I
assume
the
report
is
fairly
self-explanatory.
I'm
gonna,
let
Mike
talk
about
some
technical
issues
on
enforcement.
H
H
For
curbside
collection,
briefly,
as
we
know,
we've
got
different
parties
that
use
Cork
Street.
We
have
businesses
that
use
court
Street
from
9:00
to
5:00
basic
business
hours.
We
have
a
nightlife
which
uses
court
report
Street
from
9
p.m.
until
2:00
or
3:00
a.m.
and
then
we
have
the
residential
aspect
of
court
Street.
We
have
roughly
eight
hundred
to
a
thousand
people
living
on
4th
Street
using
it
you
know
24
hours
a
day
and
so
that
big
core
tree.
H
That
leads
us
to
a
nuisance
aspect
of
garbage
bag,
getting
set
on
the
curve
from
businesses
at
five
and
say
five
o'clock
when
they
leave
trash
bags
are
set
on
there
and
then
you
still
have
all
of
the
residents
that
live
up
there
that
have
to
walk
past
those
trash
bags
on
the
curb
and
then
the
night
life
that
occurs
after
5:00
p.m.
which
can
lead
to
some
litter
and
trash
issues
amongst
the
sidewalks
and
street.
A
H
Dispose
of
their
solid
waste
and
also
access
to
recycling
drop-off
points
also
currently,
there's
not
a
lot
of
recycling
that
occurs
on
Court
Street.
Overall,
there
are
a
couple
of
really
nice
sites
that
do
get
utilized
quite
heavily,
but
those
sites
aren't
raging
through
the
whole
spectrum
of
its
street.
H
H
I
Very
limited,
it's
real
valuable
and
it's
it's
hard
to
offset
the
need
for
parking
when
you
want
to
put
a
trash
container,
a
recycling
container
there.
Through
this
process,
we've
identified
approximately
12
areas
in
a
downtown
corridor
for
Street,
where
garbage
collection,
either
dumpsters
or
Polly
parts
to
be
used.
I
Under
this
scenario,
the
business
businesses
and
the
residents
in
the
downtown
area
would
be
asked
to
take
their
materials
to
these
designated
points
and
place
it
there
in
the
same
vicinity
would
be
the
opportunity
for
recycling
containers
to
be
put
out
for
the
different
types
of
recycling
to
be
placed
there,
and
we
would
modify
our
routes
so
that
we
would
both
like
garbage
as
needed
and
additionally
send
a
recycling
truck
to
these
remote
areas
to
serve
the
service.
Those
areas
and
taking
the
materials
away.
I
F
I
The
Packer
tracks,
as
far
as
the
refuse
trucks
start
their
shifts,
are
in
4:30
in
the
morning
and
we
do
the
downtown
area.
First,
there's
no
parking
on
Court
Street.
It's
posted
4:00
to
6:00
a.m.
that
gives
us
that
unique
window
of
time
that
we
can
get
in
and
out
utilize
the
full
width
of
the
street
to
make
the
turns
to
get
in
the
alleys
and
out
of
the
alleys
and
likewise
traffic's,
not
near
as
heavy.
I
I
F
J
Get
my
name
is
Josh
Thomas
I'm
here,
actually
speaking
as
the
chair
of
the
uptown
Business
Association,
just
to
sort
of
give
you
our
take
on
this,
we
were
asked
to
participate
in
this
also
to
get
the
opinion
of
the
uptown
businesses.
Obviously
we
see
this
as
a
good
thing
in
terms
of
marketing
our
Uptown
area.
If
anybody
has
ever
been
uptown
on
our
early
Saturday
morning
or
early
Friday
morning,
our
streets
usually
on
our
sidewalks,
are
not
very
clean
and
a
lot
of
times.
J
My
biggest
concern
is
always
I
have
a
say
when
the
university
has
tours
and
there's
parents
in
town.
We
want
our
town
to
look
nice
and
it
welcomes
people
into
our
uptown.
So
we
feel
it's
a
very
important
thing
for
this
to
happen.
As
for
the
containers
and
trash
cans
that
are
on
the
street,
I
see
this
personally
and
again,
it's
a
concern
for
all
the
businesses
that
obviously
the
trash
truck
goes
by
6:00
in
the
morning
and
collects
all
that
book.
J
J
And
they
need
the
place
to
put
their
could
their
empty
cup.
Those
cans
are
already
full
and
again
we
sort
of
a
slightly
mess
on
our
hands
so
again,
some
sort
of
regulation
to
get
to
get
the
students
also
and
it's
an
education
piece.
We
all
understand
that
to
get
the
students,
the
landlords,
everybody
to
understand
that
there
are
places
where
trash
belong
there
receptacles
on
the
street
would
be
for
people
on
the
street.
E
K
Evening,
I
guess
I'm,
mostly
just
representing
both
the
Athens
uptown
Business
Association
and
a
long
term
business
establishment,
that's
been
very
committed
to
recycling
for
the
last
23
years.
Uptown
and
I
think
you
know.
Curbside
recycling
was
a
great
plus
for
us
a
number
of
years
ago
and
I
think
there's
still
incredible
dedication
and
commitment
by
a
lot
of
property
owners
and
lease
holders,
especially
doing
business.
On
the
first
floor
of
court
Street,
who.
E
K
To
do
more
recycling
but
I
think
there
has
been
a
lot
of
challenges
and
you
know.
Obviously
the
devil
is
in
the
details
here
in
terms
of
what
the
price
tag
is
going
to
be,
and
now
we're
going
to
make
this
work
because
there's
certainly
a
challenge
in
terms
of
the
education
piece
of
this,
whether
it's
trash
or
whether
it's
recycling,
because
uptown
is
diverse,
we've
got
residents,
we
have
business
owners,
we
have
property
owners
that
perhaps
don't
even
have
that
much
day-to-day
involvement
in
their
properties
in
Uptown.
So.
C
K
Challenging
ones-
and
you
know,
since
the
smoke-free
Ohio
piece,
I
think
as
a
business
owner
one
of
our
latest
challenges
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
Labor
it
takes
us
to
manage
our
sidewalks.
It's
the
amount
of
cigarette
butts
that
we
have
to
clean
up.
So
you
know
this
is
for
me
the
first
step
and
I
guess.
K
E
G
To
add
that
we
really
focused
on
the
cool
cities
with
the
recycling.
We
really
really
wanted
to
push
the
recycling
as
it
currently
stands.
Any
of
the
apartments
that
live
above
or
people
that
live
above
these
businesses,
I
really
don't
see
a
lot
of
recycling
going
on
for
the
sheer
fact
that
they
probably
don't
want
to
store
their
beer
bottles.
For
a
week,
a
small
orange
container
and
a
small
living
space,
so
I'm
we're
noticing
that
they're
mostly
being
thrown
away
and
not
recycled.
G
G
F
N
Wanted
to
say
again,
you
know,
thanks
to
the
clean
committee,
I
think
it's
been
a
great
example
of
a
partnership
with
folks
from
the
neighborhood
associations,
the
chamber,
the
city,
I'm,
really
glad
to
see
everybody
working
together
on
this
and
I
was
really
happy
to
see
in
the
the
written
document
here.
Is
it
a
Yuba
that
bought
the
sidewalk
cleaning
machine.
G
N
N
Esther
Lee
I'm
working
on
that's
great,
you
know,
that's
something
that
I
know
was
talked
about
a
couple
years
ago
and
it
wasn't
something
that
was
really
in
the
city's
budget
and
there
was
a
whole
discussion
about
how
the
partnership
can
work
for
for
things
like
that,
to
move
ahead
and
I'm
just
really
glad
to
see
that
happening.
So,
thank
you
actually.
P
Just
to
say
that
yeah
I
very
much
appreciate
project
cleans
work
on
the
uptown
Business
Association,
just
walking
from
lower
campus
up
here
tonight,
and
stopping
it
a
few
businesses
and
noticing
that
at
5:00
p.m.
tonight
you're
right
the
trash
cans,
the
municipal
trash
cans
were
overflowing
and
people
studying
the
Wendy's
cup.
In
this
case
you
know
on
the
on
the
newspaper
stand,
and
so
something
like
this
I
think
affords
us
some
some
great
possibilities.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
F
M
F
P
O
Thanks
for
your
time
tonight,
council
mr.
mayor
I'm,
Pamela
Harvey
I'm,
director
of
United
Appeal
for
Athens,
County
and
Patrick
Lang,
is
on
our
board.
So
we
appreciate
your
service
have
had
and
I'm
here.
Just
to
give
you
a
brief
summary
in
case,
you
don't
know
about
what
United
appeal
is
and
talk
about
a
very
important
project
for
the
community
that
were
involved
in
first
of
all.
O
United
appeal
is
a
55
year
old
organization
that
raises
money
for
13
partner
agencies
and
in
the
brochure
that
I've
distributed
to
you
can
see
those
agencies,
Big
Brothers,
Big,
Sisters,
Red,
Cross,
visiting
nurse
and
hospice
Girl
Scouts.
A
lot
of
the
organizations
that
are
familiar
with
in
our
community
are
ones
that
benefit
from
people's
gifts
to
United
appeal
for
55
years.
O
Basically
people
who
need
help
or
people
who
want
to
give
health
and
we
are
bringing
that
back
to
the
community
in
conjunction
with
United
Way
from
a
singham
here
in
Morgan
counties
have
a
for
County,
2-1-1,
Khalsa
and
if
you've
ever
been
in
a
big
city,
or
you
know
heard
of
things
in
a
big
city.
This
is
something
that
big
cities
have
and
that
we're
really
excited
to
be
bringing
to
the
Athens
County
community.
O
It's
something
that
by
working
with
three
other
counties,
we
hope
that
you
know
basically
for
about
the
amount
of
money
that
it
costs
to
run
care
line.
Hopefully
we
can.
We
can
serve
four
counties
and
there's
really
a
push
to
bring
the
service
around
the
state
into
every
single
County
in
the
state.
So
I
should
just
say
that
a
lot
to
ask
questions,
but
the
reason
that
we're
able
to
do
this
right
now
is
Ohio.
O
United
Way,
which
is
a
membership
organization
for
groups
like
ours
in
the
state,
worked
really
hard
with
governor
Strickland
in
the
state
legislature,
and
we
have
a
grant
that
is
going
to.
Let
us
bring
this
up
bring
this
into
operations.
So
all
the
technical
costs,
the
start-up
costs
that
have
been
prohibitive
for
a211
call
center.
We
are,
we
are
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
in
the
first
year
and
then
United
appeal
and
the
United
Way
of
missing
of
Harry
Morgan
has
committed
to
ongoing
funding
for
this
service.
O
One
of
the
other
documents
I
think
I
did
give
it
to
you.
Just
to
give
you
an
example,
there
was
a
press
release
of
Governor
Strickland's
office
and
in
response
to
the
wind
storms
that
we
had
in
the
last
week,
and
one
of
the
other
features
of
a211
call
center
is
that
in
a
non-emergency
disaster
situation,
two-one-one
is
an
easily
recognizable
number
for
people
to
call
and
say
you
know,
where's
a
shelter
I'm
out
of
electricity.
Where
can
I
find
ice
any
of
those
kinds
of
things
that
you've
heard
of
in
the
last
week?
O
One
one
can
be
a
central
call
center
for
people
to
get
that
information
at
the
bottom
of
his
release.
You
know
the
governor
says,
call
one
one
two
to
call
2-1-1
if
it's
available
in
your
area,
so
we
hope
that
within
the
next
six
months,
certainly
at
the
beginning
up
to
2009
that
that
service
would
be
available
in
our
area.
F
Q
O
O
O
E
O
O
C
N
First,
we
wanted
to
talk
again
about
the
responsible
contractor
language.
You
have
a
draft
of
the
resolution,
Allah
who's
not
able
to
be
here
tonight
and
asked
me
to
go
ahead
and
speak
to
this.
This
has
just
the
criteria
and
not
all
those
different
little
pieces
of
rationale
that
we
that
were
in
the
document
we
looked
at
two
weeks
ago,
so
I
mean
those
are
still.
You
know
the
reasons
for
the
criteria,
but
they
don't
need
to
be
in
the
document
itself
and
again,
I
think
when
we
talked
about
it.
F
N
F
N
L
N
L
N
N
Yes,
okay,
I
was
actually
thinking
looking
at
that
that
some
of
the
we're
asses
were
a
little
bit
more
substantive
about
the
things
that
we
talked
about,
that
this
is
a
an
attempt
to
be
responsible
with
the
taxpayers
money
and
make
sure
we
are
being
able
to
look
at
the
quality
of
work
and
the
performance
of
contractors
when
they
bid
on
projects
to
really
protect
the
investment
that
citizens
are
making
in
infrastructure
projects.
So
I
was
thinking.
I
might
pull
some
of
those
warehouses
over
into
this
as
well.
E
E
E
E
N
E
E
N
And
the
zoning
code
non-conforming
uses
I
believe,
is
an
ansi
vein
issue.
Oh.
C
Okay
with
him
in
a
moment
of
hope,
Debbie
said
she
was
hoping
to
be
out
here
by
nine
o'clock.
So
I
was
gonna,
try
and
indulge
that
utilities
committee
comes
to
order.
I
think
we
have
some
material
stuff
to
talk
about
a
few
things.
The
first
one
is
a
proposal,
I
discussed
actually
Jim
and
I
and
meet
with
the
mayor
and
Kathy.
Every
Tuesday
and
I
talked
at
that
point
about
bringing
in
some
outside
expertise,
maybe
to
take
a
look
at
the
south
side,
water
delivery
system.
C
We
have
four
different
appurtenances
out
there
at
least
maybe
five
and
they
all
have
had
them.
I
guess
it
was
brought
home
to
me
that
in
when
I
was
asking
for
information,
this
was
with
respect
to
the
Blackburn
Hill
paint.
The
information
was
1976,
so
I
said
a
lot
of
things
have
happened,
reducing
valves
and
other
things
like
that
were
have
come
into
play,
and
we
all
know
yesterday
the
south
side
had
a
problem
with
water
I.
There
is
a
break
that
happens
with
the
electricity
and
I
guess.
C
My
analogy
is:
maybe
it's
sort
of
like
the
car,
where
you
Ted
it
we're
different
people
and
everybody's
spent
$100
on
it,
and
nobody
still
can
fix
it,
and
you
finally
find
the
one
person
that
meets
all
the
manuals
and
looks
and
figures
out
exactly
what's
going
on,
could
almost
think
about
it
as
the
GIS.
Where
are
all
those
things
with
respect
to
flows
and
because
there's
something
they
could
do
differently,
we
could
do
differently
and
it
seems
like
an
outside
expert
coming
in
fresh
to
the
scene.
Is
there
a
valve?
C
That's
goofed
up
I
know
we
had
we
had
pumps
that
were
knocking
our
service
out
for
about
a
weekend,
but
it
didn't
go
on
forever,
which
this
might
seem
a
bit
like,
and
so
I
would
like
to
propose.
We
put
up
a
study
proposal.
I
thought.
Maybe
a
hundred
thousand,
that's
no
Danish,
but
less
than
the
than
the
roundabout
study.
I,
don't
know
if
hundred
thousand
that's
right,
I
know
as
soon
as
we
put
a
number
on
it
guess
what
that'll
be
the
amount
of
the
bit,
so
somebody,
maybe
you
can
ask
Andy.
Q
Q
E
Q
C
We
have
crimes
has
slipped
on
the
hill.
If
I
mean
has
been
a
slip,
problem
and
I,
don't
know
about
long
view,
but
this
Curtis
Street
seems
to
be
a
major
problem.
You
know,
maybe
we
ought
oh
wait.
You're
talking
about
scope
of
services,
maybe
I
ought
to
say
what
other
areas
are
we
not
serving
that
we
might
serve
in
the
future
like
them,
the
South
Black
Rock,
riffle
Road,
or
maybe
we
really
need
to
move
Curtis
to
another
location.
So
it's
actually.
Q
The
explanation
I
got
is
actually
the
Longview
reservoir
is
actually
causing
the
problem
when
the
pumps
shut
down
between
there
and
there
Curtis
reservoir.
That's
what
slams
the
Curtis
one,
it's
a
it's
a
height
of
the
Longview
one
and
the
inability
of
the
not
so
much
a
check
valve
or
whatever.
It
is
equivalent
of
a
large
check
valve
to
shut
down
in
a
timely
manner.
So
that's
one
issue,
I
hear,
but
then
again
the
delivery
of
Blackburn
is
another.
One.
Remember
mayor.
Q
C
C
Remember
the
weekend
that
mine
kept
going
out
because
of
the
new
pumps
and
slamming,
but
you
know
if
you
have
four
different
engineering
groups,
designing
them
and
then
you
put
in
a
check
valve
you
put
in
a
reducing
valve
any
of
all
these
other
things
going
on.
You're
gonna
have
a
problem,
and
so
we
need
some
sort
of
uber
Meister
to
take
a
look
at
it
and
say
what's
going
on
here,
what
could
happen.
Q
C
Q
C
And
as
long
as
the
person
doing
it
has
something
that
doesn't
have
some
sort
of
agenda
about
serving
copper
beech
more
than
getting
rid
of
ths.
You
know
I
mean
that's
just
kind
of
my
my
opinion,
because
you
could
always
just
send
the
water
down
the
hill.
Accept
it.
My
brother,
oh
and
sherry
space,
maybe
but
but
I
mean
there
are.
There
are
multiple
ways
to
solve
problems
and
I'd
like
to
have
each
of
those
addressed,
and
so
Karen
just
serve
some
developer
community.
F
C
Q
Think
you
probably
got
a
copy
of
the
spreadsheet
and
the
car
generated
for
capital
improvements
for
the
next
five
years
and
they
were
all
very
pricey
and
in
each
case
we
told
them
to
whittle
it
down
to
something
workable.
You
know
little
pieces
and
even
then
it's
you
can
only
do
so
much
with
so
much
money.
I.
C
C
Dylan
council-chamber,
Dyson
I
think
so
I
wish
we
had
a
you
know.
I
wish
our
G
is
actually
I
mean.
You
could
actually
probably
see
this
if
you
could
look
at
it
spatially,
because
the
up
the
near
east
side
and
the
north
side
all
have
the
advantage
of
one
big
massive
hill,
but
take
a
look
at
the
south
side,
it's
all
dissected
by
Richland,
Avenue
and
there's
where
the
problem
comes
from.
Did
you
have
in
each
of
those
high
points?
C
Q
E
E
Q
C
Q
It
cost
all
the
departments
when
this
happens,
I
mean
when
we
blow
out
a
pipe
and
it
takes
out
part
of
the
street.
You
know
we're
repairing
the
street
as
well.
It's
it's
suffering
it.
Both
departments
get
hit.
I
mean
example
of
that
is
Union
Street.
There
was
a
Memorial,
Day
and
I
think
it
was
just
a
week
before
they
flipadelphia
street,
not
only
replacing
pipe,
but
we
also
had
to
sit
there
and
redo
some
of
the
asphalt
I'm
watching.
C
That's
our
kind
of
our
if
we
can
get
it
done
by
maybe
the
first
of
January.
We
would
know
what
we're
gonna
do
next
year.
Okay,
okay,
next
thing
on
my
agenda
is
really
tied
with
the
second
one.
I
have
to
say
that
various
people
have
said
to
me:
why
am
I
spending
$1
a
month?
I
still
see
a
lot
of
litter
in
the
clothes
in
neighborhoods
and
I.
Think
all
of
us
have
heard
that
and
they
have
no
compunction
about
putting
me
across
the
side
ahead
with
it.
C
So
I'm
here,
I
am
saying
gee
as
I
was
sitting
down
at
my
food
pantry,
because
some
wonderful
drunk
kicked
in
the
door
and
I
was
we
were
fixing
it.
I
watched
the
litter
below
and
I
thought
well
where's
that
litter
coming
from
and
I
thought.
You
know
what
I
think
if
we
made
everybody
have
a
legal
garbage
container
in
that
area.
Does
this
sound
like
a
broken
record
to
some
of
you?
I've
said
this
before
in
those
closer
neighborhoods?
C
Maybe
that
garbage
wouldn't
blow
around
so
much,
and
maybe
our
litter
problem,
not
red
and
blue
cups.
Mind
you,
but
the
other
litter
problem
would
be
reduced.
So
I
was
wondering
if
red
and
blue
cups
aside
and
natty
light
boxes
aside,
we
could
make
an
effort
either
in
code
or
with
your
litter
control
person,
to
start
to
address
the
legal
garbage
container
issue.
P
C
P
P
P
C
C
There
so
what
a
concept?
Okay,
that's
my
admonition!
I
just
don't
want
to
hear
it.
You
know
it's
as
bad
as
living
on
the
south
side.
Hearing
about
the
water
breaks.
Okay.
Next
question
next
item
on
my
agenda:
ISM
funds
for
the
service
garage
sites.
We
have
had
some
Overland
salts
movement
into
the
next
yard.
I
guess
I
was
thinking
about
what
I
was
going
to
say
about
this
and
I.
Remember
that
we
bought
that
lot
after
the
service
garage
compound
was
fixed.
C
I,
don't
you
know
I
I've
been
watching
the
new,
the
I
read
the
news
alerts
and
stock
market
up
to
stock
market
down
or
a
cup
of
university
here
and
I.
Think
I
would
rather
take
a
more
conservative
approach.
You
can
shut
me
down
if
you
wish
and
my
more
conservative
approach
once
again,
I've
discussed
with
the
mayor
and
I
thought.
Whatever
happens
in
that
lock
that
we
bought.
Where
we've
been
doing
our
salt
loading,
we
probably
have
to
do
some
paving
and
containment
beyond
that.
C
The
mayor
can
say
if
he
wants
to
put
containers
in
there,
I
think
we
need
for
at
least
a
tarp
on
top
of
it,
I've
been
sitting,
and
you
can
you
know,
I
mean
if
some
tell
us
what
you
want
and
there's
always
that
thing
in
the
future.
C
For
10
years
we
do
a
good
job
with
this
storage
and
disbursement,
then
at
the
end
of
ten
years
we
can
walk
away
from
this
without
a
problem,
but
it's
probably
not
going
to
happen
even
if
it,
even
if
it
we
got
the
money
by
some
miraculous
change
in
the
economy
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
gonna
happen,
but
let's
just
say:
if
we
got
it,
we
could
we'd
still
have
to
probably
do
something
to
prevent
this.
C
The
contamination
from
going
overland
and
from
percolating
through
there's,
grandma
and
Paul,
said
to
me
earlier
that
there
may
be.
There
may
be
the
case
that
they've
solved
the
problem
with
the
percolation
with
the
groundwater.
We
don't
know,
I
mean
there's
it's
ambiguous,
but
I'd
like
to
start
something
through.
That
has
an
attempt
to
remediate,
or
at
least
to
protect
that
site
against
them.
Right,
I've
been
only
saying
this,
as
Debbie
will
tell
you
for
ten
years,
I'm
such
an
egg
and
I've
not
been
able
to
get
any
mean.
C
Q
Q
This
is
talking
about
salt
bin,
actually,
that's
falling
apart
in
his
old
conversation,
I
had
with
Andy
earlier
today,
I
said:
okay.
Why
would
it
take
to
to
fix
this
up
and
really
what
your
tough
discussion
we
had
last
Tuesday
about
this
at
the
audit
and
with
the
auditor
at
that
time
was
okay
in
terms
of
containment,
for
the
salts
of
no
more
gets
into
the
soil
is
actually
build.
A
new
salt
bin
with
a
pad
with
some
kind
of
drainage,
I
asked
Andy.
Q
Essentially
what
would
take
to
design
something
like
this
in
engineering
he's
estimating
about
30,000,
which
means
again,
it
goes
out
to
an
RFP
request
for
proposals,
building
design,
I
think
I
said:
okay.
What
what
price
are
we
talking
about?
He
says:
well,
the
high-end
would
be
about
three
hundred
thousand
his
his
site
on
his
thing
on.
Q
That
is
that
what
last
time
he
looked
at
something
like
this
was
five
six
years
ago
with
it
was
you
know,
150
or
something
like
that,
but
the
fact
is
we
have
to
decide
what
we
wanted
to,
how
we
want
to
do
this,
the
storage
right
now
capacity.
We
have
a
presence,
saltiness
one-fifth
of
the
required
salt
for
any
given
season,
so
that
means
five
times
in
the
winter,
we're
moving
salt
into
there.
Q
N
Ways
just
a
quick
question:
when
we
we're
on
the
street
or
I,
don't
remember
whether
we
talked
about
its
building
a
pad
if
contain
whatever
is
already
in
the
soil
and
stop
it
parking
down
in
contaminating
our
wells
and
you're
having
additional
detector.
If
we
actually
need
to
figure
out
how
deep
it
goes
and
remove
soil,
that's.
Q
That's
the
question:
I
was
trying
to
pin
down
at
the
point
there's
the
options.
I'm
hearing
several
options:
one
is
we
remove
all
the
soil,
I
think
we're
waiting
for
feedback
on
that,
the
remediation
for
the.
If
you
remember
the
tea
CES
was
I,
think
of
meta
sulphate
or
abyss.
Sulfate
thing
I
was
supposed
to
be
done
in
the
spring.
As
far
as
I
know,
they
should
be
getting
results.
They
ship
got
results
back
from
now
on
that,
but
I
have
not
received
him.
Q
At
least
any
numbers
I'd
like
to
see
the
report
being
wonky
cameras
that
I
am
at
the
same
time.
There's
there
are
options.
Wanted
me
to
dig
all
the
soil
out.
Another
one
would
be
just
you
know
to
cover
it,
so
it
doesn't
permeate
any
more.
If
the
idea
is
not
to
put
any
more
in
the
system
build,
it
will
dissolve
out
over
time
with
just
regular
flow.
It's
not
a
high
level
of
chloride,
but
at
the
same
time
it
is.
It
is
concerning
that
you
have
it
going
in.
Q
My
recommendation
would
be
actually
you
know.
The
best
of
all
worlds
would
be
to
buy
a
big.
You
know
complex
outside
the
well
field,
but
include
everything
which
is
what
Nancy
was
alluding
to
the
four
or
five
million
dollar
superstructure
in
the
interim
I
think
the
best
thing
we
could
do
is
to
cap
it
off
if
possible,
get
first
a
recommendation,
whether
we
need
to
dig
the
soil
out
whether
we
just
cap
it
off.
Q
But
definitely
we
want
to
contain
any
type
of
motion
we
have
with
salt
collection
and
movement,
and
that
would
imply
a
large
assault
bin.
So
we
can
either
do
it
all
under
shelter
or
we
have
it
all
all
movements
on
the
shelter
as
well
as
a
pad
so
I
can
contain
wall
I.
Think
it's
a
giant
tray
or
something
like
that
that
you
keep
on
your
washing
machine.
That's.
Q
C
D
Q
Q
E
C
E
Q
We
don't
have
another
location,
that's
easier
to
work
with
yeah.
The
argument
goes
back
and
forth.
Is
that
the
they
want
the
heated
service,
big
garage
bays
for
the
trucks
and
it's
right
next
to
the
salt
containment
as
salt
bins?
The
the
concept
we
were
kicking
around
at
one
point
is:
okay:
let's
move
to
salt
bin
over
to
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
which
is
all
at
the
other
side
of
town.
At
that
point,
the
trucks
over
here
the
snow
is
in
the
middle
and
salt
over
there
and.
Q
I
mean
if
there
you
could
say
okay.
What
we
do
is
when
you
have
salt
over
there
that
trucks
over
here
and
when
the
snow
starts
falling.
We
move
the
trucks
over
there,
fill
them
up
and
put
them
back
in
the
bends
in
the
bays
for
the
evening
and
then
the
first
first
one
we
do
is
just
to
get
from
point
A
to
point
B.
So
we
can
fill
the
trucks
up
again,
the
next
so
price.
Q
You
want
to
be
built
a
salt
in
on
you
know
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
with
heated
garages,
which
is
what
they
want.
They
need
to
maintain
the
temperature
in
the
trunk,
so
they
can
actually
use
them
that
now
you're
talking
about
partial
service
garages
over
there
and
salt
and
now
we're
halfway
between
a
whole
new
facility
and
what
Nancy
talked
about
is
in
ten
years.
Maybe
we
can
afford
to
move
it
out
of
the
wealth
field
entirely.
Q
C
Q
C
C
C
Caustic
soda
we've
all
read
in
our
various
literature
about
how
expensive
solvents-
and
that
is,
that
is
a
question
you
need.
C
C
Q
Q
Q
C
So
here
we
are
and
then
we're
gonna
I
also
think.
Yes,
eventually,
assault
will
not
be
used
on
roads
because
of
the
water
contamination,
but
it's
probably
further
down
the
line
you
guys
may
be
here:
I
won't,
okay,.
C
C
Right
my
last
thing
before
we
go
on
to
the
next
person
is
transportation
and
streets,
but
my
last
thing
is
to
talk
a
bit
about
the
noise
ordinance,
mainly
because
right
now,
I'm,
armed
and
dangerous
I
know
how,
from.
D
C
It
probably
isn't
one
that
we
could
use
but
I'm
going
to
try
using
it
a
little
bit,
but
I
wanted
to
call
everybody's
attention
to
something
that
I
know
was
on
the
books,
Oh
73
93,
and
so
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion.
Last
Thursday
and
I
wish
I
would
know
I'm
glad
I
was
in
here
actually,
okay
with
the
discussion
of
noise
of
noise
and
regulation
in
93
counsel,
against
the
mayor's
wishes
allowed.
C
Tables
and
chairs
on
sidewalks:
we
did
it
because
we
were
interested
in
retaining
the
amnion
to
the
city.
We
talked
about
what
the
distances
are
at
the
time.
Initially,
we
said
all
tables
or
chairs
or
benches
must
be
removed
from
the
sidewalk
30
minutes
before
sundown
until
8
a.m.
the
next
day,
but
we
amended
it
later,
maybe
outside
only
when
business
is
open,
I,
don't
know
how
that
is
going
right
now,
but
that
is
that
certainly,
is
something
that
is
in
the
code
and
not
in
the
zoning
code.
C
But
I
didn't
know
if
you
were
aware
of
that.
So
we
are
I
think
on
the
record
saying
we
have
to
support
those
tables
whatever
that
means,
but
going
back
to
the
noise
ordinance.
Oh
you
know
this.
Noise
ordinance
needs
to
be
amended
about
five
more
times
and
then
we'll
really
have
a
mess.
But
last
time
we
did
try
to
do
to
solve
some
of
these
problems
and
I
have
in
front
of
me
the
noise
ordinance
Oh
80
407
and
it
talks
about
vocal
noise
and
it
seems
to
get
out
the
problem.
C
It
says
between
the
hours
of
10:00
p.m.
and
7:00
a.m.
each
Sunday
evening
through
Friday
morning,
are
between
12
and
7
on
Saturday
and
Sundays
they're,
shouting,
yelling
chanting
or
making
use
of
the
human
voice
or
vocal
cords
and
louder
than
normal
conversational
tone
or
pitch
escalating
vocal
noise
other
than
emergency
situations.
Those
are
all
the
different
types
in
Shutts.
C
Your
manner
is
to
be
plainly
audible
at
a
distance
of
500
feet
from
the
building
structure
or
via
cool
in
which
it
is
located
or
exceed
some
85
decibels
at
any
point
outside
the
property
plain
shall
be
prima
facie
evidence
of
the
violation
of
this
section
and
then
seven
says
those
businesses
with
outside
operations
that
have
noise
or
sound
between
the
hours
of
10
p.m.
each.
C
You
know
in
the
same
time,
period
in
such
a
manner
is
to
be
plainly
audible
at
a
distance
of
50
feet
from
the
building
structure
or
vehicle
in
which
it
is
located,
or
it
sees
85
decibels
at
any
point
outside
of
the
property
times
plane
or
source
of
the
noise
or
sound
shall
be
evidence
of
violation.
So
I
was
wondering
if
the
administration
could
go
over
this
with
the
police
and
see
if
there's
any
way,
we
can
work
on
the
enforcement
I.
C
Of
84,
oh
seven,
now
I
do
understand.
I
was
down,
I
dropped
out
at
1:30
on
Saturday
morning
knocked
down
a
Palmer
Street,
then
milk,
then
Stewart
Street.
There
was
no
way
I
mean
every
single
house
on
that
block
was
in
violation,
I
swear,
almost
everyone,
the
ones
at
least
on
the
lower
end
and
then
turn
the
coroner's.
Still
there
I
mean
the
place
that
not
just
before
the
big
windstorm,
it
was
a
riot.
You
know,
I
mean
it
was
just
amazing,
but
did.
C
Think
that
were
that
we
did
attempt
to
try
and
do
make
some
of
the
changes
that
were
there
and
it's
just
I
think
it's
very
difficult.
We
need
either
more
police
or
different
approach
act.
If
somebody
else
wants
to
take
this
up,
you
can.
We
can
say
right
now
that
the
people
that
most
likely
are
adversely
affected
by
noise
are
other
students.
If
there
was
any
student
on
Palmer,
Street,
Stewart,
Street
or
Mill
Street,
they
had
to
go
to
work
at
7
o'clock
on
Sunday
on
Sunday
morning.
C
They
were
in
terrible
shape
that
2
o'clock
Sunday
morning
because
they
were
going,
they
were
still
up.
There
was
no
way
you
could
sleep
through
that
bedlam
and
you
know
so.
Don't
I
am
NOT
anti
student
I
just
want
you
to
understand
that
we
did
attempt
yet
another
time
to
try
and
solve
the
problem
of
the
noise
ordinance.
I'm,
not
sure
people
have
read
it.
I'm
gonna
start
walking
around
with
my
little
device
here
and
see
what
I
find
that's.
C
C
Mean
I
was
interested
in
what
they
said
in
the
paper
and
we
discussed
it
at
home,
Abed,
but
I
I
do
think
the
noise
ordinance
we
need
something,
but
the
police
also
said
to
me:
there's
just
no
way
that
they
can
do
anything
at
that
1:30
hour,
when
the
people
are
just
making
lots
of
noise
and
in
I
don't
know.
If
that's
I,
you.
P
C
P
F
P
P
The
previous
contract
was
approximately
a
hundred
and
thirty
six
thousand
dollars,
and
this
draft
you'll
notice
has
an
increase
with
a
proposed
estimate
at
a
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
for
the
next
cycle,
and
this
amount.
The
hundred
the
new
hundred
and
forty
three
thousand
dollars
is
based
on
the
renewal
rates
from
McDonald,
and
it
also
builds
in
for
eventual
replacement
of
the
buses.
N
Councilmember
Phillips,
my
only
question
is
about
the
proposed
rate,
our
route
change,
which
isn't
actually
in
the
contract
it's
just
kind
of
attached,
so
I
would
be
curious
about
whether
there's
the
uptown
businesses
see
any
potential
difference.
If
the
loop
only
goes
past
the
new
Baker
down
president
Street
and
back
on
down
to
our
clip
injure.
N
N
Q
Q
The
alternative
is
to
change
the
route
a
little
bit,
so
I
realized
two
things
that
slow
that
route
down.
What
is
that
we
now
have
the
crosswalk
on
richland,
which
is
slowing
the
traffic
down
one
by
Porter,
because
it
has
to
take
that
route.
The
other
one
actually
is
because
we
now
have
a
one
single
lane
on
president.
We
have
him
going
down
Mulberry
Street
to
in
front
of
Baker
the
new
Baker
Center,
so
that
has
added
an
extra
tweak
into
the
loop.
We
are.
Q
We
brought
that
to
courtyard
for
them
to
decide
which
they
would
prefer
and
again.
This
is
just
in
a
form
of
a
proposal
sent
to
them,
but
really
it's
the
the
main
thrust
is
get
authorization,
so
I
can
do
this
contract
the
nuts
and
bolts
it's
actually
probably
more
than
you
need
to
know,
but
at
the
same
time
that's
what
we
got.
Q
The
other
thing
is
that
the
additional
money
for
the
capital
improvement
is
that
we
buy
those
buses
that
go
for
court
yarn
and
we
should
put
in
a
small
amount
of
capital
money
outside
for
but
replace
those
buses.
And
the
other
thing
is
that
if
we
contract
with
Summit
eventually,
which
goes
online
in
fall
of
two
thousand
dollars,
we'll
also
have
to
put
consider
adding
an
additional
bus.
N
Q
N
E
C
A
stoop
taking
students
from
the
apartments
to
school
and
if
they
want
to
walk
uptown,
it's
not
that
far
considering
the
congestion
that
the
buses
could
create.
I
mean
I.
Just
think
that
at
a
certain
point
we're
talking
about
a
very
it's
like
three
and
a
half
times
as
much
money
comes
from
this
as
we
get
from
the
fare
box,
the
fare
box
earns
40,000
any
given
year,
and
so
this
contract
is
important
and
it's
important
that
it
run
an
efficient
and
timely
fashion.
C
M
M
P
P
Second,
item
regards
motorcycle
fees
and
just
to
alert
people
that
the
current
rate
is
15
dollars
a
year
and
that
the
will
probably
be
looking
at
that
rate.
It's
not
been
increased
for
some
time
so
just
to
take
a
look
at
the
history
of
these
fees
and
maybe
look
at
what
some
other
cities
are
charging
councilmember
Phillips
as.
N
Q
What
we
talked
about
is
it's
15
dollars
a
year.
We
have
I,
think
three
motorcycle
parking
areas
there's
been
discussion
to
trying
to
increase
the
number
of
those
just
because
there
is
more
motorcycle
ridership
and
comparison
to
$15
a
year
versus
what
it
cost
to
put
money
in
a
meter
per
day.
It's
quite
a
bargain
and
I
think
we
were
just
looking
and
saying
this
hasn't
changed
in
many
years.
That's
all.
P
Right,
a
compromise
all
right,
the
next
item.
What
is
just
to
let
you
know
that
they're,
probably
in
the
near
future,
there
will
be
an
appropriation
coming
through
for
the
bike
rack
for
the
new
bus,
and
this
would
be
it
was
not
in
the
last
appropriation
where
we
were
doing
fare
boxes.
So
this
will
be
a
separate
item.
Q
Q
P
Next
item
is
just
a
report
that
there's
an
International
Street
Fair,
that's
going
to
be
May
16th
from
7
a.m.
to
6
p.m.
and
we've
received
the
first
item
of
correspondence
about
that
requesting
the
street
closing
so
we'll
be
moving
the
legislation
through
on
that
later
in
the
year,
and
the
last
item
that
I
have
to
report
is
that
to
let
the
public
know
that
I
do
have
a
meeting
periodically.
P
R
P
Q
Q
It
here
correct
yes,
but
we're
gonna
start
talking
to
him
soon,
because
our
grant
cycle
is
actually
we're
applying
for
the
grant
this
30
the
30th
of
this
month
and
we're
going
to
try
getting
a
better
number
what
the
costs
are
going
to
be
per
Howard
running
buses.
They
will
charge
us
last
year.
They
were
charging
us
50
dollars
and
sixty
eight
cents
per
hour
operating
hour,
and
the
question
is:
is
you
know
they
have
built
in
a
good
marching
for
their
gas
and
fuel
costs?
Q
At
the
same
time,
they'd
also
built
in
a
circus
tent
as
a
profit?
Of
course,
the
next
thing
is:
what
are
they
going
to?
What
are
we
going
to
negotiate
for
next
year
and
just
what
I
need
authorization
on
that?
We
have
the
grant.
We
have
the
authorization
for
the
grant
and
there
will
be
a
public
hearing
on
on
our
grant
the
30th
of
this
month.
September
30th,
that's
Tuesday
here
7
o'clock,
and
this
will
probably
include
maybe
route
change,
not
this
route
change
for
a
courtyard,
but
possibly
one
for
the
bus
system
itself.
Q
We're
talking
about
some
of
that
too,
mostly
because
of
the
some
of
the
ridership
I,
think
we
wonder
we
want
to
change
it.
So
we
go
in
front
of
Alden
library,
I
think
it
was
the
last
thing
I
heard
from
Daryl
there's.
A
lot
of
people
would
like
to
get
out
at
all
the
library.
So
that's
one
of
discussions.
That's
going
on
we'll.
C
E
R
F
Q
Q
Q
Q
Interesting
enough
went
from
July
o7
to
December
31st.
Oh
seven
I
think
they
were
at
this
time
we're
trying
to
cycle
around
to
a
different
year
cycle,
but
we
received
an
invoice
this
last
earlier
this
month
about
our
first
six
months,
contract
which
we
don't
have.
So
we
need
to
probably
authorize
me
to
at
least
enter
the
contract,
pay
this
past
six
months
and
then
start
negotiating
a
new
contract
for
the
next
year,
starting
from
July
all
the
way
through.
So
we're
already
behind
on
that,
the.
Q
Yes,
it's
just
that
contracted
or,
let's
see
other
ones
dollars
for
the
added
city
code.
Again
we're
trying
to
put
that
online.
We've
got
a
company,
we're
looking
at
muni
code,
I
believe
it
is.
We
have
about
we're
estimating
the
top
end
of
this
just
$9,000.
Is
it.
E
Q
Just
this
this
year,
yeah
and
that's
this-
what
will
happen
here
is
that
we
we
give
it
to
them.
They
put
it
in
some
kind
of
web
base.
They
will
run
take
their
lawyers
and
screen
it
with
a
fine-tooth
comb
at
least
part
of
it
and
put
it
up
on
a
web.
So
we
have
it
as
a
searchable
base.
Originally,
you
put
some
money
aside
for
this
I
believe
it
was
to
buy
the
sauce,
so
probably
will
need
some
money
for
that
I've
got
the
contract
downstairs
and
I
need
to
money
to
appropriate.
Q
Q
Thousand
three
they're
sending
out
lots
of
letters
and
I,
don't
think
that's
certified.
Just
lots
of
letters,
wreck
equipment,
public
vendors,
let's
see,
I,
there's
a
letter
from
Captain
pile
concerning
the
parking
forcement
I
think
we
just
gave
a
copy
this
to
Cathy.
Last
week
we
discussed
it
at
our
meet
auditors
meeting.
This
concerns
the
com+,
which
is
our
people
who
take
care
of
the
tickets
and
everything
like
that.
Q
He's
estimating
that,
because
of
the
turnover,
the
amount
of
money
expenses
on
that,
as
well
as
the
money
that
has
to
be
paid
to
the
Bureau
Motor
Vehicles
for
doing
a
registration
block,
we'll
need
about
sixteen
thousand
dollars
in
that
mine
fund
I.
Think
it's
one!
Oh
one,
seven
one!
Eight
five
371.
Q
Another
one
that
we
had
we
had
a
safety
day
earlier
in
the
summer
and
Rick
Ross
is
working
on
safety
issues
in
terms
of
security.
We
want
to
put
some
of
those
things
to
place:
George
of
lands
and
buildings.
It's
going
to
start
putting
some
of
the
safety
items
in
place,
so
we
need
some
money
in
the
fund
line
of
the
lands
of
buildings
safety
fund
line.
It's
basically
under
safety
supplies.
It's
101,
112,
5200,
187
I
would
say
about
I'm,
not
sure
how
much
really
he
he's
I'd
know
right
now.
Q
He
wants
about
$400
restore
some
of
the
door,
is
a
code
but
there's
other
items
like
for
instance.
Well,
we
really
shouldn't
go
into
security
items,
but
there's
a
whole
mess
of
items
that
he
wants
to
work
through.
I
haven't
seen
the
entire
list,
but
maybe
about
$2,000,
and
that
just
to
have
him
start
rolling
on
that
I
looked
at
the
fund,
I
think
there's
like
72
dollars
in
the
fund
direct
line
right
now.
So
that's
not
enough
to
do.
If
anything.
Q
The
last
item
I
have
is
we
just?
We
got
the
response
from
the
chip
grant.
If
you
remember,
we
applied
for
chip
grant
and
a
lot
of
things
we
were
asking
for
is
about
three
hundred
and
fifteen
thousand.
They
came
back
in
a
water
as
215
with
you
idea
that
they
want
us
to
pull
about
a
hundred
thousand
out
of
our
economic
revolving
loan
fund,
so
to
accept
a
grant.
I'll
probably
do
that
I'm.
Q
Just
letting
me
know
that
that
without
these
that's
one
of
the
stipulations
of
accepting
the
grant,
accepting
the
grant
and
I
guess
it's
my
call
to
do
that.
But
I
got
I
should
let
you
know
because
well,
if
I
have
to
procreate
it
and
play
with
the
money
at
that
point,
I
guess
what
I'm
hearing
is
that
they
don't
want
these
things
sitting
around
at
this
point
any
of
it.
So
it's
got
to
be
used
or
lost.
Q
Q
Q
I
saw
about
295
mines,
318,
okay,
so
we're
gonna
have
to
pull
hundred
thousand
out
of
that.
Just
do
the
Etta
Phil
over
to
do
our
match
of
the
car
out
of
the
grant
and
that's
real
all
real
I
have,
unless
you
can
think
of
anything
else,
questions
okay,
Kathy,.