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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
to
Athens
City
Council,
it's
Monday
night
June
12th
at
7
p.m.
and
tonight
we
have
an
unusual
kind
of
format.
In
a
way
we
have
a
public
hearing
to
begin
with,
we'll
follow
that,
then,
with
a
special
session,
where
we'll
be
reading
several
ordinances
that
we're
moving
through
Council
and
then
we'll
follow
up
with
five
committee
meetings,
so
welcome
to
everyone
who's
with
us
tonight.
A
If
you
are
hear
from
anybody
in
the
audience
tonight,
if
you
can
make
sure
and
sign
in
on
the
sheet,
that's
circulating
through
the
audience
section
right
now
to
make
sure
we
have
documentation
of
those
who
have
attended
this
public
hearing
and
the
reason
for
the
public
hearing
is
that
we
are
have
been
working
with
so
pec.
That's
our
southeast
Ohio
public
energy
group
to
work
through
process
allowing
the
residential
customers
in
the
city
of
Athens.
A
If
this
all
goes
through
and
is
approved,
we'll
be
sending
opt
out
notices
to
customers
later
on
this
summer,
with
the
hope
for
date
of
October
for
gas
flowing
in
this
new
aggregation
program
with
what
we
hope
we're
pretty
certain.
In
fact,
from
the
rates
that
we've
been
quoted,
that
if
we
are
part
of
this
gas
aggregation
program,
there
will
be
substantial
savings
for
residential
customers.
A
A
Okay.
Well,
we're
eager
to
see
this
program
going
through
and
glad
that
people
are
here
for
the
public
hearing,
and
we
have
also
put
some
information
up
on
our
city
website
and
people
should
feel
free
to
contact
us
if
they
have
any
questions
that
haven't
been
answered
and
with
that
we'll
consider
the
public
hearing.
If
there
aren't
any
questions
or
comments,
we'll
consider
the
public
hearing
closed
at
7:03
p.m.
A
thank
you
very
much
we'll
now
move
on
to
special
session
and
our
first
item
of
business
is
establishing
a
quorum.
All
members
of
counsel
are
present
tonight,
and
so
we
will
first
have
an
ordinance
for
third
reading.
This
is
ordinance
69,
17
and
ordinance
authorizing
the
payment
of
a
prior
year
expense
and
declaring
an
emergency,
and
this
is
introduced
by
councilmember
Reisner.
Thank.
B
We've
read
this
twice:
it's
been
discussed
in
committee,
I
will
just
read
sexual
one
one
more
time
to.
Let
me
know
what
the
amounts
argument.
The
auditors
hereby
authorized
to
expand
up
to
six
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
eight
dollars
and
seventeen
cents
from
the
2017
general
fund
municipal
court,
one
zero
one,
one:
zero,
six
TC
200-300
to
pay
prior
years,
Chase
Bank
fees.
So
this
is
a
debt
that
the
court
owes
to
Chase
Bank
and
it
needs
to
be
paid
as
soon
as
possible
to
Soto.
C
A
Nay,
the
motion
carries
and
the
ordinance
is
approved
well
now,
move
on
to
ordinances
for
second
reading,
and
what's
customary
with
this,
is
that
we
read
the
title
of
them,
so
we
won't
be
having
discussion
on
any
of
these
I.
Don't
believe
tonight.
Ordinance
7117
is
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
submit
an
application
for
funding
from
the
Ohio
Department
of
Transportation
jobs
and
commerce
through
the
Athens
County
Transportation
Improvement
District
for
the
central
Athens
fiber
optic
network
project
to
execute
contracts
as
required
and
declaring
an
emergency
introduced
by
councilmember
Cochran
ordinance.
A
D
E
F
Still
in
discussions
with
the
auditor
regarding
the
APD
budget,
this
was
to
transfer
30
thousand
dollars
from
their
salary
lines
into
training
to
three
hundred
s,
and
we
have
a
request
from
the
auditor
to
wait
until
we
get
through
the
first
six
months
of
the
year
and
see
how
funding
is
occurring.
So,
okay,
all.
G
A
Nay,
okay:
this
ordinance
has
been
tabled.
Ordinance
7317
is
an
ordinance
amending
ordinance,
150
116,
the
2017
staffing
levels
in
the
police
department
and
declaring
an
emergency.
This
is
introduced
by
the
Finance
and
Personnel
Committee
ordinance.
74
17
is
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
service
Safety
Director
to
advertise
and
accept
goods
where
necessary
and
enter
into
contracts
for
construction
and
construction
engineering
services
for
the
municipal
pool
project
number
2,
9
2.
F
F
H
D
We
do
we
had
a
conversation
earlier
today
with
Keith
Hall
who's,
the
lead
from
MSA
sport
and
in
addressing
a
number
of
the
questions
that
came
up
at
counsel
and
I
wasn't
at
Council
as
everyone's
aware
at
the
last
one.
These
questions
had
come
forward,
but
there
were
several
ranging
from
the
lighting
to
the
lap
pool
to
the
saltwater
chlorination
system,
and
so
we
got
clarification
on
a
number
of
those
items.
D
The
lighting,
which
was
a
conversation
that
was
had
with
Keith
Hall
today,
is
that
the
number
of
lights,
the
lighting
scheme
that's
currently
at
the
pool,
will
have
to
be
increased
by
about
three-fold,
if
not
four
fold,
to
cover
appropriate
lighting
around
the
pool.
So
that's
going
to
be
something
that
we're
going
to
look
at
cost
as
it
is,
that's
a
cost
driver
to
increase
cost
the
organization
or
the
float
water
system
system.
D
If
you
will
it's
the
salt
water
chlorination
system
in
reality,
unfortunately,
there
was
information
that
came
out
in
the
press
that
talked
about
this
is
a
salt
pool.
It's
still
a
chlorination
system
taking
sodium
chloride
and
making
on-site
chlorine
is
basically
what's
what
this
system
will
do
and
is
again
I.
Think
counsels
aware:
that's
a
cost
driver
behind
this
too.
D
Currently,
the
pools
design
had
been
laid
out
to
where
it
was
going
to
be.
You
know
originally
four
feet:
four
and
a
half
feet
on
the
shallow
end,
just
the
north
end
of
the
lap
lanes
where
the
lap
lanes
start
took
closest
to
East,
State
Street,
and
then
it
would
progressively
get
deeper
gradually
get
deeper
down
to
seven
feet
at
the
south
end
of
the
pool
again
towards
the
Hockey
River,
the
Hocking
River
site
at
the
pool.
D
But
there
is
also
in
thinking
this
through
and
working
with
MSA
sport.
There's
an
awful
lot
of
people
who
currently
with
our
pool
are
lapland
walkers
that
they
walk.
That's
their
exercises,
walking
back
and
forth,
and
so
we
explored
with
Keith
all
the
possibility
of
having
the
two
western
side
lanes
before
foot
or
for
an
out
foot.
You
know
consistent
depth
on
from
north
to
south
and
then
the
rest,
then
the
pool
would
taper
down
to
where
the
essentially
for
east
side
lanes
north
to
south
running
lanes
would
be.
D
You
know,
four
four
and
a
half
foot
on
the
shallow
end
to
seven
foot
deep
on
the
deep
end,
therefore,
addressing
the
needs
of
many
and
then
it
would
go
from
there
as
you
guys.
As
you
know,
it
tapers
down
into
the
dive
well
that
particular
the
dive
well
will
be
10
to
12
feet,
deep.
It
tapers
to
so
it'll,
be
obviously
deeper
down
in
that,
and
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
share
with
Council.
That
came
forward.
D
We've
tried
to
reconfigure
this
and
think
this
through
on
a
multitude
of
ways.
Even
in
you
know,
full
disclosure,
when
the
service
Safety
Director
in
Iowa,
are
driving
back
from
Eugene
up
to
Portland
worsen,
they're
thinking.
How
can
we
possibly
do
this?
The
pools
width?
The
length
is
25
yards,
so
it's
75
feet.
The
width
is
about
56
58
feet
wide
or
something
like
that.
So
shy
of
25
or
20
yards
wide,
so
one
thought
was:
can
we
put
hooks
on
the
north
end
of
the
pool?
D
And
you
know
if
it
were
to
stay
at
the
current
designed
where
you
know
it's
four
or
four
and
a
half
foot
and
then
it
tapers
on
down?
Ultimately,
it
goes
down
to
7
foot
at
the
deep
end.
Could
we
have
you
know
lanes,
set
up
perpendicular
to
the
length
of
the
pool
and
let
people
walk
back
and
forth
a
real
problem
with
that
becomes
programming.
How
do
we
quickly
program
it,
and
when
do
we
as
a
city,
decide
okay,
people
who
want
to
do
your
lap
lane
walking?
D
C
D
Keith
Hall
just
recently
reached
back
out
after
this
meeting
and
said
that
they
believe
that
a
hybrid
form
of
looking
at
the
contours
in
this
pool
that
it
could
work
with
making
it
work.
This
way
towards
me,
you
know,
meeting
the
needs
of
those
who
want
to.
You
know,
use
starting
block
dive
dive
off
the
side.
C
D
D
On
Saturday,
when
I
took
the
girls
to
the
pool
as
I
thought
about
it
for
a
long
time,
we're
going
to
have
we're
going
to
have
the
leisure
pool,
we're
going
to
have
a
toddler
pool
we're
going
to
have
a
splash
pad
we're
going
to
have
the
run-out
slides
and
then
we're
going
to
have
this
lap
winning
tank
of
water
with
the
dive.
Well
in
it
I've.
D
We
all
of
us
have
had
to
sit
and
look
at
what
is
the
lap
lane
of
the
pool
right
now,
that's
25
yards
long
of
lap
lanes
and
it's
seven
lanes
so
add
another
Lane
to
it.
That
is
the
scope
of
the
lap
lane
pool
that
we're
working
trying
to
solve
the
best
solution
possible
for
what
will
be
the
lap
lane
portion
of
the
pool.
F
D
F
Need
to
bring
to
your
attention
that,
like
we
stated
they
want
to
get
out
to
bid
by
June
23rd
with
a
July
21st
or
something
along
that
opening.
We
can
always
amend
it
with
an
addendum
the
bid
specs,
but
we'd
like
to
have
it
locked
down
as
much
as
we
can
by
next
Monday
and
your
third
and
final
meanings.
F
A
C
I
So
we
also
talked
about
the
leisure
pool,
and
there
was
some
discussion
that
occurred
about
what
is
the
depth
of
the
top
pool,
and
then
we've
got
a
zero
entry
pool.
That
goes
to
only
three
point
six
feet,
and
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
water
that
and
now
we're
adding
even
more
shallower
water.
With
this
four
point,
six
with
several
lanes
in
the
lap
pool
just
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
shallow
water.
D
Of
the
things
that
Keith
shared
with
us,
I
wish
I
had
it
with
me
and
I:
don't
is
basically
an
average
height
of
you
know:
small
children,
you
know
within
a
certain
age
range
and
then
those
who
are
adolescent
and
then
those
who
are
in
their
teens
and
then
full
adult
and
I
have
to
share
with
you.
It
was
kind
of
comical.
One
of
my
staff
actually
drew
a
scale
of
a
shark
on
there
too,
but
anyway.
D
My
point
being
is
that
those
scales
kind
of
tell
you
depths
of
water
to
accommodate
all
different
age
groups
of
people
they'll
be
using
the
pool.
So
as
an
example,
the
3.5
would
accommodate.
You
know.
Children
up
to
you,
know
the
age
of
five
to
five
and
a
half
years
of
age.
Then
the
four
foot
or
four
and
a
half
would
accommodate.
I
D
In
terms
of
the
leisure
pool
and
the
toddler
pool,
yeah
sure
the
toddler
pool,
if
you
remember,
if
we
have
to
go
code,
Brown
or
whatever
it
is
we're
calling
it
these
days
in
the
leisure
pool,
we've
got
to
drain
that
pool
and
start
over
again
versus
where
the
smaller
kids,
who
have
a
little
more
difficult
time
controlling
themselves.
With
the
toddler
pool,
it's
a
smaller
tank
that
we
can
sit
there
and
disinfect
and
get
back
online
again.
That's
that's
the
intent
behind
that.
D
So
yes
is
the
answer
to
your
question,
but
there's
a
there's
a
method
to
that
madness,
and
that
is
you
know
you.
The
other
thing
too.
This
came
forward
is
for
zero
degree,
entry
pool
again
it's
not
just
for
kids
up
to
the
age
of
five.
You
know
you
see
a
lot
of
kids
of
all
ages
that
are
running
through
and
splashing.
F
I
believe
the
three
six:
it
serves
a
greater
population
in
age
to
age.
Five.
We
can
get
that
information
too,
but
that's
true
out
of
one
of
the
community
forums
we
had
one
of
their
complaints
about
certain
other
Pullman
in
the
area
was,
if
you
put
a
little
Susie
here
and
the
big
kids
come
running
into
the
pool,
that's
why
parents
like
to
have
a
top
pool.
You
know,
and
then
the
kids
have
to
stay
out
of
here.
I
F
I
F
I
J
So
I
did
actually
just
just
a
couple
insights
based
on
my
experiences
that
pull
from
from
when
I
was
a
tadpole
swimmer.
Up
until
today,
taking
my
daughter
there
right
now,
you
know
we
have
an
Olympic
sized
pool
if
you
exclude
the
dive
tank
and
split
it
into
three
sections.
That's
currently
what
we
have
we
have.
We
have
the
the
lower
end,
which
I
believe
is
maybe
four
foot
I
think
is
that
as
the
max
this
somewhere
in
that
neighborhood,
you
have
your
lap
lanes
and
then
you
have
the
deeper
end.
J
If
we
have
20
25
yards
of
seven
foot,
depth
I
think
that's
going
to,
because
that's
probably
what
we
currently
have
right
now,
where
the
key,
where
the,
where
the
older
kids
are
diving
off.
That's
probably
that's
that's
going
to
fill
the
need
of
the
community.
I
guess
my!
You
know
the
only
thing
that
I
was
thinking
about
up
here
and
you
know
I
don't
want
to
design
a
pool
at
this
stage
of
the
game,
but
it
does
that.
Does
that
the
lab
area
separate
from
the
dive
tank?
Could
it
be
completely
25-yard
square?
D
So
that's
like
that's
great,
because
we
were
thinking
the
exact
same
thing
and
if
we
pushed
it
out
in
terms
of
pool
design,
we
would
end
up
having
to
push
the
mechanical
room
building
almost
out
to
East
Park
Drive
it.
It
would
significantly
change
and
it
would
be
a
cost
driver.
You
know
once
again
we
would
add
cost
because
we're,
if
you
think
about
it,
we're
adding
almost
15
yards.
F
D
H
F
D
Think
we
should,
we
will
get
that
some
of
the
things
that
was
mentioned
again,
one
is
probably
familiar
with
the
stanchions
them
in
the
light.
Poles
that
already
exist
and
as
I
mentioned,
we'd
have
to
almost
quadruple
that
level
of
lighting,
but
there's
also
going
to
be
in
pool
lighting,
and
so
that
may
offset
the
need
for
a
whole
lot
of
whole
lights
around
the
pool.
I
also
asked
the
question
of
Keith.
In
our
conversation,
do
we
need
to
have
lighting
for
everything?
D
In
other
words,
do
we
have
to
have
a
light
for
the
toddler
pool
area?
Do
you
have
to
have
a
light
for
the
splash
pad?
We
have
to
have
lighting
for
the
leisure
pool
and
the
the
lap
pool
and
I'm
not
mistaken
if
those
features,
if
all
the
features
are
going
to
be
used,
you
know
beyond
nine
o'clock
or
up
to
ten
o'clock
there
we're
going
to
bystanders
we're
going
to
need
lighting,
but.
F
I
F
I
B
I
just
want
an
objective.
It
seemed
possible
that,
given
the
new
technologies
that
we
have
now
in
lighting
and
the
way
that
we
have
codes
to
direct
light
and
so
I'm
not
up
and
down
that,
even
though
we
may
increase
the
actual
number
of
lights
in
that
area,
we
might
actually
be
able
to
reduce
the
amount
of
energy
that
we're
pumping
into
them,
so
that,
if
we
look
at
it,
you
know
in
an
economical
environmental
friendly
way.
I
could
at
least
break
even
with
it
will.
H
D
Will
continue
to
work
with
them
as
a
sport,
you
know,
do
all
the
features
need
to
be
lit.
You
know
like
do
we
shut
down
certain
features
as
we
get
into
you
know
beyond
9
o'clock.
The
other
thing
that
was
mentioned
is
is
looking
at
our
programming
through
the
summer
to
where
you
know
this
time
of
year.
You
know
it
doesn't
get
dark
till
10:30
or
9:30.
D
You
know
close
to
10:00
o'clock
right,
but
when
you
get
into
August
and
we're
still
the
pools
still
open,
you
know
that
window
is
tightening
up
a
little
bit,
and
so
do
we
change
the
evening
swimming
to
wear
it.
We
closed
down
at
9:00
o'clock,
ten
o'clock,
so
there's
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
options.
You
have
to
work
through
a
lot
of
solutions
that
are
out
there
motion
sensors
question
Center.
A
Thank
you,
mm-hmm.
Thank
you.
We
have
one
ordinance
for
first
reading
tonight
and
this
is
ordinance
75
17,
an
ordinance
approving
the
plan
of
operation
and
governments
for
the
no
peck
gas
aggregation
program
for
the
purpose
of
jointly
establishing
and
implementing
a
gas
aggregation
program
and
declaring
an
emergency.
This
is
introduced
by
all
members
of
council
and
is
there
anyone
wishing
to
speak
to
this
council
member
fall.
We've.
K
Been
we've
had
several
public
meetings
about
public
hearings
about
this
and
presentations
from
Eddie,
Smith
and
others
about
joining
this
no
Peck
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
was
that
the
board
of
know
Peck
will
have
a
dedicated
person
from
Athens
on
it,
which
is
not
something
that
other
entities
in
the
know
pecks.
No,
no
pecks,
OPEC,
snow
pack
area,
which
is
that's
really
important,
because
we
are
a
leader
in
this
area
in
our
geographical
area
and
also
I.
K
D
That's
a
strong
point
to
make
and
I
concur
completely.
The
current
opec
board
is
15
members
under
the
Council
of
Governments
and
by
joining
we
already
belong
to
note
back,
but
by
going
through
this
process,
it
would
afford
southeastern
Ohio
and
in
particular,
happens
to
have
a
seat
at
that
table
as
well
to
speak
for
all
of
southeastern
Ohio
when
it
comes
to
gas
aggregation
through
Noble
and.
A
If
you
have
any
other
questions
to
bring
forward
all
right
well,
this
is
the
end
of
the
reading,
so
I'd
entertain
a
motion
for
adjournment
of
this
portion
of
the
meeting
so
moved.
Second,
okay,
we
have
a
motion
and
second
for
a
journey
in
the
meeting,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
opposed,
nay,
okay.
This
section
of
the
council
meeting
is
the
regular
center.
A
special
session
is
adjourned
at
7:30
p.m.
K
You
we
just
have
one
item
on
our
agenda.
This
was
a
Planning
Commission
recommendation
for
a
title.
One
title
21
lot
split
at
46,
Canterbury
Drive
and
the
Planning
Commission
has
voted
to
allow
for
the
lot
split
with
certain
conditions
that
are
have
gone
with
it.
So
but
conditions
are
the
current
address.
46
Canterbury
Drive
has
been
changed
to
48
Canterbury
drive.
The
new
lot
house
will
have
the
address
of
46
Canterbury
Drive
they're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
junk
mail.
Any
construction
access,
Canterbury
Drive,
be
completed
without
disrupting
the
adjacent
property.
Street
access.
K
The
driveway
easement
maintenance
agreement
include
a
maintenance
agreement
section
concerning
this
language
to
be
included
in
the
quick
claim,
deed
and
indicating
that
this
is
not
altering
a
platted
subdivision
which
up
there
is
the
and
the
confirmation
be
obtained
from
the
law
director.
That
is
that
this
is
not
a
replay
of
a
planted
subdivision.
F
Game
does
the
Planning
Commission
and
had
to
come
back
to
us,
so
I
apologize
for
the
delay
to
getting
it
up
to
you
for
my
failing
to
include
emotion,
these
items
that
you
just
address
the
word
says:
staff
items
from
the
review
you
haven't,
provided
the
maintenance
and
roadway
use
agreement.
You
do
happen.
The
law
director
that
it's
not
a
read
flat
and
I
believe
mr.
Jones's
been
waiting
on
behalf
of
his
client
Ramos,
the
cat
Lord
zone
and.
K
I
D
F
F
K
I
K
It
wouldn't
have
necessarily
if
it
was
just
without
the
variances,
its
the
variances
that
have
caused
this
process.
So
questions.
E
D
Know
they
I
think
what
you're
looking
at
I
don't
know
if
we're
looking
at
the
same
thing,
if
you're
a
certain
color
mine
is
not
but
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
what
you're
referring
to
there
was
a
budding
the
property.
That's
that
we're
talking
about
was
part
of
Lee
was
the
Stanley
subdivision.
D
Those
are
not
being
considered
under
these
I
know.
The
law
director
has
looked
at
all
of
this
information
ad
nauseam,
trying
to
digest
this,
because
there
was
the
Lamar
subdivision
up
in
that
area,
and
there
was
the
old
Stanley
subdivision
and
I
believe
the
Stanley
subdivision
was
where,
once
upon
a
time,
Hickory
was
going
to
go
and
continue
behind.
Where
see
any
grocery
is
off
of
Richland
Avenue,
but
that
just
never
transpired
where
it
didn't
go
any
further
to
the
South
beyond.
Word
ends
right
now,
and
so
not
to
confuse
you
with
those.
D
D
K
K
K
A
Move
on
to
Committee
of
the
Whole,
we
have
two
items:
the
first
one
being
banning
conversion
therapy
for
minors,
and
if
people
are
speaking
tonight,
we
need
to
record
it
for
our
particular
for
our
records
for
the
minutes.
Who
is
speaking
and
it's
easiest
for
us.
If
you
write
your
name
out,
because
sometimes
we
could
get
the
spelling
wrong.
So
we
ask
that
when
you
come
up
to
speak,
if
you
could
sign
in
on
the
sign-in
sheet
at
the
podium,
but
we'll
lead
off
with
councilmember
fall,
who
has
been
working.
K
So
it's
up
to
local
organizations,
governments
and
citizens
to
put
forward
legislation
to
protect
the
health,
safety
and
welfare
of
the
citizens
within
their
jurisdiction,
and
that
is
the
main
reason
why
we
have
local
government.
Our
whole
thing
with
everybody
takes
an
oath
of
protecting
the
health
safety
and
welfare
of
everybody
in
the
city
of
Athens.
So
people
have
come
forward
identifying
this
as
a
need.
Other
cities
within
Ohio
has
passed
it
since
Columbus
passed
it
last
month.
K
Cincinnati
had
one
that
was
passed
in
2015,
so
what
this
basically
we're
going
to
have
people
come
up
to
describe
it
in
a
more
intimate
setting
with
more
experience
than
I.
Do
I
don't
have
a
counseling
background,
though
we
do
have
two
people
on
community
who
have,
and
so
I
would
like
to
invite
the
people
who
have
come
forward
to
talk
about
this
and
why
we
need
a
concern,
banned
conversion
therapy
banned
within
the
city
of
Athens.
K
First
I'd
like
just
to
say
what
the
conversion
therapy
ban
would
be,
would
be
a
ban
on
the
practice
of
conversion
or
what
does
the
other
one
record?
That's
the
word.
I'm
sorry
I'm
spacing,
on
the
other
word,
the
R
word.
People
say
for
clinical
licensed
therapists
in
the
city
of
Athens
for
people
under
20
for
minors
under
18.
So
this
is
the
basic
framework
that
we'll
have
people
come
up
and
speak
about.
So
if
you
can
come
up
and
testify,
thank
you
and.
K
M
Good
evening
president
Knicely
mayor
Paterson
and
members
of
Athens
city
council
I
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
with
you
about
the
importance
of
banning
so-called
conversion
therapy
for
minors.
Conversion
therapy
is
considered
to
be
any
practice
or
treatment
that
seeks
to
change
an
individual's
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity.
It
is
not
evidence-based,
nor
is
it
considered
to
be
therapeutic.
Rather.
Conversion
therapy
is
a
harmful
practice
that
is
detrimental
to
our
families
and
our
children.
M
Conversion
therapy
plays
a
sort
of
psychological
tug-of-war
with
our
children
at
a
pivotal
and
sensitive
time
in
their
lives.
They
are
discovering
themselves
and
experiencing
rapid
physical
and
emotional
change
rather
than
supporting
our
children
during
this
difficult
time.
Conversion
therapy
and
dangers
them
by
portraying
their
feelings
as
wrong
and
making
them
feel
as
though
their
feelings
are
not
valid.
M
Discussions
about
our
children
and
their
future
should
be
left
to
informed
medical
professionals
whose
practices
are
based
on
proven,
evidence-based
medical
science,
not
speculative
theories
and
false
claims
that
this
type
of
therapy
could
be
good
for
kids
associations,
including
the
American
Medical
Association,
the
American
Psychological
Association,
the
American
College
of
Physicians,
the
American
counseling
Association,
and
the
National
Association
of
Social
Workers
have
all
taken
stances
against
conversion
therapy.
These
organizations
have
combined
to
form
the
just
the
facts
coalition,
which
represents
more
than
four
hundred
and
seventy-five
thousand
health
and
mental
health
professionals.
M
Collectively
they
have
all
determined
that
homosexuality
is
not
a
mental
disorder
and
therefore
is
not
in
need
of
a
cure.
In
its
statement
on
conversion
therapy,
the
American
Psychiatric
Association
has
stated,
therefore,
the
American
Psychiatric
Association
opposes
any
psychiatric
treatments
such
as
reparative
or
conversion
therapy,
which
is
based
upon
the
assumption
that
homosexuality
per
se
is
a
mental
disorder
or
based
upon
the
prior
assumption
that
a
patient
should
change
his
or
her
sexual
orientation.
M
Additionally,
the
American
Academy
of
Pediatrics
stated
therapy
directed
at
specifically
changing
sexual
orientation
is
contraindicated,
since
it
can
provoke
guilt
and
anxiety
while
having
little
or
no
potential
for
achieving
changes
in
orientation.
Professionals
believe
that
attempting
to
change
an
individual's
sexual
orientation
or
gender
identity
does
not
work
and
is
harmful.
People
who
promote
these
misguided
attempts
are
engaged
in
fraud
against
families
seeking
help.
Many
young
people
experience
rejection
by
their
families
as
they
come
out
and
suffer
significantly
as
a
result.
They
are
at
risk
here
are
some
of
the
sobering
facts.
M
57%
of
transgender
individuals,
experience,
significant
family
rejection,
41%
of
transgender
adults
report
having
ever
attempted
suicide
compared
to
five
percent
of
adults
in
the
general
population
and
10
to
20
percent
of
lesbian,
gay
and
bisexual
adults.
According
to
us
study
of
almost
6,500
people,
according
to
the
2011
national
transgender
discrimination
survey,
19
percent
of
transgender
people
had
experienced
homelessness
at
some
point
in
their
lives,
specifically
because
of
their
gender
identity.
About
40
percent
of
homeless
youth
are
LGBT
and
nearly
all
homeless.
Youth
service
providers
in
the
u.s.
now
serve
LGBT
youth.
M
According
to
a
comprehensive
report
on
LGBT
youth
homelessness,
those
statistics
should
give
us
pause.
This
shouldn't
be
a
partisan
matter,
because
we
all
want
to
protect
youth
from
assault,
homelessness
and
the
risk
of
suicide
and
beyond
that,
we
want
young
people
to
thrive,
to
be
able
to
develop
their
talents
and
to
share
their
talent
with
our
state
and
our
community.
So
what
makes
us
strong,
I
shared
the
statistics
to
make
sure
Council
has
the
facts
about
the
seriousness
of
what
you're
attempting
to
address.
M
But
what's
really
important
are
the
individual
people
who
live
in
our
community
and
what
this
legislation
can
mean
to
them.
Remember
people
may
have
good
intentions
and
still
cause
irreparable
harm.
Lila
Alcorn's
parents
took
action.
They
thought
would
help
by
sending
her
to
conversion
therapy.
You
may
have
heard
her
name
because,
tragically,
she
took
her
own
life
and
left
a
letter
expressing
the
harmful
impact.
The
attempt
at
conversion
therapy
had
Lila's
parents
were
trying
to
help
I
can't
imagine
their
suffering
at
the
result.
We
can
help
other
families
by
sending
a
strong
and
clear
message.
M
This
type
of
therapy
is
not
constructive,
and/or
effective
and
can
be
damaging.
It's
really
what
your
legislation
is
about.
Licensed
professionals
have
no
business
telling
people
that
they're
wrong
about
who
they
love
or
their
sense
of
who
they
are
growing
up
is
hard
enough.
If
we
can
take
one
step
to
help,
people
find
acceptance
to
prevent
suicide
and
homelessness
within
a
vulnerable
population
and
to
promote
stronger
families.
We
should
this
ordinance
is
one
way
to
do
so.
M
I
hope
we
can
move
quickly
to
pass
this
important
legislation
to
help
protect
our
youth
and
I
hope
that
it
sends
a
message
to
folks-
and
this
is
for
folks
that
I
may
not
know
or
to
folks
that
I
do
know
who
has
struggled
with
this
issue
and
are
continuing
to
struggle
with
this
issue:
Mitch
and
mica
and
Jasper,
and
everybody
who
may
struggle
with
similar
issues.
You
need
to
be
yourself
and
be
proud
of
who
you
are
and
know
that
we
love
you
and
we've
got
your
back.
M
M
K
E
E
N
When
of
noches
totally
opposed
many
thanks
to
members
of
City
Council
for
your
time,
but
also
like
to
thank
you
on
behalf
of
the
organizers
of
Athens
pride
fest
for
shining
the
rainbow
lights
here
within
the
city
building
and
for
waving
the
rainbow
flag
at
the
Armory.
It
is
this
support
that
I
diss
each
and
look
to
to
make
this
band
a
reality.
I
speak
tonight
as
the
director
of
the
LGBTQ
Center
at
Ohio
University,
a
leader
in
our
local
queer
community
and
as
a
survivor
of
conversion
therapy.
N
Seventeen-Year-Old,
leelah
Alcorn
outcry
for
action
through
her
her
testimony
of
fix
society
before
completing
suicide
after
being
subjected
to
conversion
therapy
reflects
the
soul-shattering
effect
that
conversion
therapy
causes.
I
am
proof
that
it
does
not
work
and
have
been
on
a
journey
of
healing
from
the
rhetoric
of
disordered,
diseased
broken
and
less
than
imposed
on
me
through
my
therapist
again.
N
Conversion
therapy
does
not
work
and
does
harm
theory.
Many
have
asked
if
I
know
of
mental
health
professionals
here
in
Athens,
who
have
mistreated
individuals
with
conversion
therapy.
Honestly
I
do
not
know,
and
honestly
that
is
not
the
point
of
this
ban.
As
a
city,
we
have
a
unique
and
prophetic
opportunity
to
be
both
reactive
and
proactive
in
our
solidarity
with
lesbian,
gay,
bisexual
trans
questioning,
plus
young
people,
concretely
ensuring
their
safety
and
providing
recourse
if
their
safety
is
violated.
N
For
the
last
forty
nine
days,
the
hashtag
honor
them
with
action
has
been
used
across
social
media
platforms
in
honor
of
the
forty
nine
individuals
killed
at
the
massacre
at
pulse
in
Orlando
a
year
ago.
Today,
the
hashtag
honor
them
with
action
and
also
calls
and
compels
us
to
honor,
with
action.
Lgbtq+
youth
in
our
city,
youth,
seeking
support
safety
and
sanctuary
and
their
home
community
of
Athens
youth
who
are
seeking
to
understand,
live
and
express
who
they
are
without
fear
of
being
pathologized
to
the
margins.
N
As
a
city,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
proactively
proclaim
to
our
youth
that
we
practice
what
we
preach
yesterday
at
yesterday's
rally
and
picnic
passing,
this
band
demonstrates
to
queer
youth
that
they
matter
and
we
take
pride
in
their
sexual
and
gender
diversity.
'he's
passing
this
ban
also
sends
a
message
to
the
individuals
and
their
loved
ones
hurt
by
conversion
therapy,
because
the
pain
does
ripple
from
the
individual
on
to
their
family
and
friends.
We
send
a
message
that
we
honor
their
pain.
N
N
E
A
P
So
thank
you
so
much
for
the
opportunity
to
come
and
testify
in
support
of
a
legislative
ban
on
conversion
therapy
as
practiced
with
minors
and
by
licensed
professionals
to
be
clear.
Nasw
supports
an
end
to
conversion
therapy,
and
that
is
our
our
long-term
goal.
We
see
legislation
that
is
specific
in
the
way
that
that
we've
discussed
and
that
other
cities
have
passed
is
a
really
important
first
step
in
the
most
doable
first
step.
P
She
was
assigned
at
birth
through
some
details,
but
but
a
fact
for
for
our
state
and
something
for
us
to
grapple
with
as
profession
and
as
citizens
of
the
world.
So
this
was
really
the
impetus
for
ending
conversion
therapy
becoming
a
priority
for
NASW.
We
saw
our
we
felt
personally
called
to
to
investigate
whether
licensed
social
workers
in
the
state
were
continuing
to
practice
conversion
therapy
and
fortunately
found
that
there
were
as
covered
many
other
cities
columbus.
My
city
being
the
most
recent,
have
passed
bans
on
conversion
therapy.
P
So
conversion
therapy
is
harmful
because
it
is
based
on
the
notion
that
being
gay
or
trans
is
wrong
and
disordered.
We
now
know
that
this
is
simply
inaccurate
and
not
based
on
any
research
or
reason.
Unfortunately,
our
professions
and
when
I
refer
to
our
professions
and
thinking
of
Social
Work
psychology,
counseling,
marriage
and
Family
Therapy,
have
a
dark
history
of
perpetuating
the
fallacy
that
LGBT
being
LGBTQ
is
a
mental
illness,
and
we
bear
a
terrific
amount
of
responsibility
for
resolving
the
oppression
that
we've
contributed
to.
P
P
As
professionals,
we
condemn
conversion
therapy
because
it
is
a
deliberate
violation
of
our
professional
ethics
and
principles
of
practice.
It
is
discriminatory,
exploitative
and
dangerous.
First
and
foremost,
there
is
no
medically
valid
basis
for
attempting
to
prevent
homosexuality
or
gender
identity,
gender
identity
variances
because
they
are
not
illnesses.
P
Furthermore,
there
is
no
evidence
that
sexual
orientation
can
be
altered
through
therapy,
and
research
has
found
that
attempts
to
do
so
do
so
are
likely
to
be
harmful.
There's
no
empirical
evidence
that
adult
homosexuality
can
be
prevented
if
gender
non-conforming
children
are
influenced
to
be
more
gender
conforming.
On
the
contrary,
such
efforts
may
encourage
family
rejection
and
validate
family
rejection,
undermine
the
youths,
self-esteem,
connectedness
and
caring,
which
are
important
protective
factors
against
suicidal
ideation
and
attempts
among
other
health
health
issues.
P
Nearly
1/2
half
of
young
transgender
people
have
seriously
considered
taking
their
own
lives
and
a
quarter
report
making
an
attempt.
A
ban
of
conversion
therapy
by
licensed
professionals
with
minors
in
Athens
would
still
would
start
to
draw
the
line
to
reinforce
to
professionals
that
are
in
this
city
that
the
practice
is
wrong,
an
ethical
and
illegal.
It
would
send
a
message
to
Athens
families
to
avoid
sending
their
children
to
conversion
therapy
and
with
the
appropriate
communication
systems
in
place.
P
This
ban
would
bring
in
the
power
of
our
licensing
boards,
which
already
exists
to
protect
the
public
from
negligent
practitioners.
So
I
would
encourage
the
council
to
consider
when
getting
into
the
weeds
of
this
legislation
of
communication
method
with
our
licensing
boards,
so
that
we
can
use
what
they
already
do
to
protect
the
public
use
their
methods.
P
So
we
know
that
many
children
who
end
up
in
conversion
therapy
have
families
who
love
them.
We
know
that
this
is
not
with
ill
intent.
Often,
families
are
earnestly
doing
their
best
to
find
support,
but
are
unaware
that
conversion
therapy
is
dangerous
often
so
when
we
need
to
spread
the
word
that
no
one
should
be
suggested
subjected
to
this
therapy
and
do
all
that
we
can
and
should
have
done
for
Lila.
So
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
and
I'm
happy
to
take
any
questions
now
or
later.
Thank.
K
M
L
Want
to
voice
a
question
that
I
think
was
out
in
the
community,
but
that
has
been
resolved
for
me
through
this
dialogue
here
tonight
and
I.
Thank
you
for
that,
and
that
is
why
we
need
such
a
ban,
because
we
all
here
today
today
I
think,
do
take
great
pride
in
living
in
an
inclusive
and
a
protective
community,
and
so
I
think
that
many
people
have
thought
well.
Why
do
we
need
something
like
this
in
our
community?
Does
this
actually
happen
in
Athens?
L
Is
anyone
doing
conversion
therapy
and
so
I
appreciate
all
of
you,
who've
spoken
so
far
and
who've
spoken
through
different
channels
on
social
media,
to
explain
why
this
is
necessary
that
this
is
an
educational
moment
for
us
this
is
a
moment
for
us
to
be
advocates
and
to
be
allies
and
to
protect
those
who
might
need
our
protection.
So
thank
you.
L
I
I
would
just
say
thank
you
to
everyone
that
spoke
that
as
a
licensed
mental
health,
professional
conversion
therapy
is
not
evidence-based,
and
somebody
already
mentioned
that
and
that's
what
we
look
at
when
we
determine
treatment
interventions
we
use
in
evidence
based
practice
models
and
I
also
applaud
the
fact
that
we
want
to
be
proactive
in
our
community
and
be
on
council
here
to
encourage
a
safe
and
inclusive
environment
and
through
legislation
and
resolutions
we
can
do
that
and
this
council.
This
body
has
done
that
in
the
so.
K
Sent
the
first
draft
of
the
ordinance
I
will
be
working
with
our
law
director
on
the
penalty
section
and
clearing
up
some
differences
of
wording,
but
not
being
a
licensed
professional
I
didn't
realize
and
I.
Thank
you
for
everybody
who
this
is
a
very
a
topic
that
I
think
deserves
education,
and
sometimes
you
can't
have
enough
education
on
these
sort
of
issues.
K
I
think
this
is
good
time
to
reaffirm
the
fact
that
Athens
is
a
tolerant,
loving,
accepting
community,
and
sometimes
we
need
to
remind
ourselves
because
specially
with,
what's
going
on
in
the
larger
community
of
our
country
and
one
of
our
to
repeat
it's
important
to
protect
the
health,
safety
and
welfare,
and
that
means
everybody,
it
doesn't
mean
the
color
of
your
skin.
You
get
to
have
safety,
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
person
you
love
means
that
you're
healthy.
K
It
means
that
our
community
protects
and
it
has
a
vibrant
relationship
with
everybody
in
our
community
and
that's
what
Athenians
pride
themselves
on
it's
a
core
value
of
our
city,
and
we
have
worked
on
that
for
years
at
Council
and
administrative
level.
So
I
want
to
say
thank
you
for
everybody.
Who's
come
forward
and
I
will
be
working
on
the
draft
and
I
will
have
it
ready
for
Monday
any
other
questions.
Yep
just.
B
One,
this
legislation
just
limited
to
licensed
professionals.
Why
not
amateurs?
Why
not
quack
this
out?
There
I
think.
K
But
there's
other
laws
that
help
to
protect
people
against
mockery,
uh-huh
and
I
think
that
there
is
more
reporting
and
more
levels
that
you
can
have
penalties
for,
for
so
I
think
that's
a
good
question.
How
do
we
protect
our
youth
I?
Think
one
of
the
ways
is
having
a
dialog
like
we're
having
this
evening.
One
of
them
is
making
sure
that
people
understand
and
become
savvy
consumers.
K
I
had
a
friend
whose
parents
had
him
kidnapped
and
taken
to
a
conversion
camp.
They
thought
that
they
were
doing
the
right
thing.
It
wasn't
only
after
until
they
read
things
that
they
realized
what
they
had
signed
their
kid
up
for
so
I
think
that
that's
a
really
important
thing
is
letting
people
know.
K
Okay.
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
everybody.
Who's
come!
Oh
I'm.
Sorry,
oh,
like
so
excited
with
that.
D
You
know
how
we,
as
elected
officials,
we
swore
our
oath,
we
swore
an
oath
to
protect
and
serve
and
so
forth
at
City
Council.
As
this
moves
through
you
have
my
100%
support
is
this
goes
forward.
I
want
to
share
something.
This
is
pretty
meaningful.
It's
from
Alana
Yocum,
executive
director
of
equity
equality,
Ohio
says
the
medical
community
is
an
agreement
that
being
a
lesbian,
gay,
bisexual,
transgender
or
queer.
Isn't
a
medical
diagnosis,
it's
part
of
being
the
spectrum
of
human
diversity?
So
that's
great.
A
K
Just
like
committee
of
the
whole
mm-hmm,
okay.
K
We've
had
the
the
occupant
of
the
White
House
has
just
failed
spectacularly
in
leadership.
By
reading
you
know
withdrawing
the
United
States
from
the
Paris
Accords.
That's
it's
stupid
personally.
I
think
it's
just
dumb
dangerous
climate
change
is
one
of
the
most
important
things,
one
of
the
biggest
challenges,
if
not
the
biggest
danger
that
we
face
as
a
planet
and
the
persons
that
withdrawing
us
from
Paris
has
totally
abdicated
the
leadership
that
the
United
States
has
shown
for
years,
if
not
decades
in
the
climate
change
field.
But
we
don't
accept
the
abdication
of
the
leadership.
K
What
we
have
seen
just
like
with
the
conversion
ban
is
that
now
the
states
and
local
individuals
and
local
communities
have
to
step
up
I.
Think
for
the
past
eight
years
we've
been
fairly
comfortable
because
we
had
amazing
leadership
at
the
federal
level
who
would
go
out
there
and
not
only
fight
for
the
people
who
are
living
today,
but
fight
for
people
tomorrow,
and
so
this
is
a
way
to
empower
our
community
to
take
back
the
ability
to
decide
on
certain
sort
of
policies
and
how
we
will
deal
with
the
climate
change
crisis.
K
What
I
see,
counsel
being
able
to
do
is
kind
of
four
parts.
One
is
the
support
of
Mayor
Patterson
and
joining
the
mayor's
climate
group,
which
you
have
done
and
supporting.
That
wholeheartedly
is
advocating
and
lobbying
our
elected
officials
at
the
state
level,
meaning
mr.
Governor
Kasich
and
our
state,
senator
and
representative
Governor
Kasich,
actually
has
come
out
and
said
that
he
disagrees
with
the
idea
of
the
United
States,
but
drawing
from
the
Paris
Accords.
That
was
courageous
because
as
a
Republican,
he
can
get
a
lot
of
pushback
for
something
like
that.
K
We've
already
seen
pushback
from
federal
government
on
people
voicing
their
opinions
on
certain
things.
By
being
fired,
our
elected
officials
need
to
be
educated
on
the
importance
of
the
state
having
leadership
role
with
our
minimum.
Our
renewable
portfolio
standards,
which
have
been
put
on
hold
for
the
last
few
years,
but
now
have
been
allowed
to
come
back.
K
We
need
to
strengthen
those
to
make
sure
that
people
who
get
electricity
from
these
big
corporations
know
that
some
of
the
energy
that
they're
getting
meets
a
certain
standard
that
we
should
be
meeting
anyway,
because
it
makes
just
business
sense
and
last
I.
It's
also
another
educational
thing.
Empowering
people
to
be
able
to
do
what
we
need
to
do.
K
The
city
is
going
to
do
their
part,
we're
going
to
hopefully
work
with
the
regional
partners
and
establishing
some
really
progressive
and
proactive
programs
working
with
our
nonprofits
and
communities
that
are
surrounding
us,
with
helping
with
technical
or
other
types
of
programs.
So,
first
I'd
like
to
have
mayor
Paterson,
discuss
the
mayor's
climate
partnership,
which.
D
I'm
pleased
to
you
know,
report
to
Council.
It
I
received
the
confirmation
email
from
the
mayor's
national
climate
action
agenda
that
we
have
now
been
accepted,
along
with
a
rather
large
group
of
municipalities
across
the
nation.
To
take
this
on
the
the
mayor's
the
climate
mayor's
Network
is
a
mayor
mayor
network
of
us
mayors
collaborating
on
climate.
This
is
led
by
mayor
receding
from
Los
Angeles,
as
well
as
former
mayors
from
several
other
cities
across
the
United
States,
but
also
active
mayor's
involved
in
this.
D
You
know,
I'm
I'm
sure
council
is
aware
of
this,
but
70%
of
the
carbon
emissions
are
actually
states
at
the
municipal
level.
So,
therefore,
who
better
to
take
on
this
role
than
the
cities
themselves
and
I'm,
proud
that
the
city
of
Athens
that
we
have
been
accepted
into
this
group
and
will
continue
to
push
do
our
efforts,
while
others
on
Capitol
Hill,
don't
see
the
same
way.
D
We
do
that
we're
still
in
our
part,
does
it
reduce
the
carbon
emissions
so
that
my
children,
my
children's
children,
my
children's
children's
children,
have
the
same
better
environment
than
we're,
leaving
behind
that
I'm
having
to
deal
with
that
we're
having
to
deal
with.
So
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do
and
I
appreciate
council
forming
a
resolution.
You
know
speaking
out
against
or
at
least
speaking
for,
towards
working
with
the
Paris
climate,
Accord
and
continuing
down
that
path,
regardless
of
what
our
national
leadership
is.
Looking
at
non-membership.
K
Targets
and
so
I
think
Athens
has
already
done
a
lot
along
that
line.
We
we've
had
audits,
we're
going
under
another
work,
doing
a
waste
audit.
We
have
you
know
our
solar
panels,
we're
planting
solar
panels
that
our
water
treatment
facility,
so
we
have
shown
leadership,
please
green
pleats,
so
we
have
shown
leadership
and
in
this,
for
our
region
and
I
think
that
we
can
push
it
even
more
and
work
with
people
treat
Commission
or
favorite.
One
of
the
other
things
is
with
Kasich.
K
Governor
Kasich
is
to
get
him
to
join
with
the
climate,
whatever
they
call
it
they're
calling
it
the
u.s.
climate
alliance,
which
is
basically
once
Trump,
pulled
out
of
Paris.
This
governors
of
several
states,
Washington
California,
New
York,
said
we're
going
to
fulfill
our
obligations
under
Paris
under
the
Paris
Accords.
So
far
as
of
this
afternoon,
there's
been
13
other
states
that
have
indicated
or
have
joined
this
alliance.
That
includes
states
with
Republican
governors.
K
K
So,
no
matter
what
the
president
says,
the
United
States
and
the
people
of
the
United
States
care
about
the
climate,
they
believe
in
Paris
and
we're
going
to
go
forward,
even
though
he
sees
pulling
out
for
a
momentary,
fossil
fuel
fix
and
profit
that
that's
not
what
we're
going
to
do
as
a
city,
so
I
will
bring
forward
the
resolution.
Are
there
any
questions
comments?
K
B
I'm
all
for
it,
one
100%,
it
needs
to
be
done.
I
think
we
should
make
our
voice
heard
and
not
hold
back
right.
Yeah,
that's
getting
it
get
it
on
the
table.
Let's
pass
the
damn
thing
right.
K
I
think
that
at
one
point
we
need
to
do
some
personal
lobbying
with
other
cities
that
have
gone
under
this,
because
when
you
have
all
the
three
C's
and
other
communities,
large
and
small,
in
the
state
of
Athens,
it
shows
you
know.
People
and
the
citizens
are
are
outraged
and
they're
concerned,
and
it
is
up
the
county
level.
Yep.
A
H
You
president,
president
Eisley
I
appreciate
that
we
do
have
a
few
items
identified
this
evening
under
the
committee
will
begin
with
stormwater
plan
presentation
followed
by
a
water
treatment
plant
and
construction,
then
purchase
of
the
smoke
trailer
for
the
fire
department
and,
lastly,
the
facility
improvements
to
Arts
West.
So
starting
off
this
evening,
we
do
a
presentation
and
discussion
regarding
the
stormwater
plan.
H
We
have
a
stormwater
management
plan
within
the
city
of
Athens
and
this
is
a
collaborative
process.
The
committee
is
comprised
of
the
city
service
safety,
director's
office
engineering
and
Public
Works,
the
athens
Soil
and
Water
Conservation
District,
the
Athens
office
of
code
enforcement
and
Ohio
University,
so
without
further
ado,
I'll
turn
it
over
for
our
presentation.
Thank
you.
Q
Back
in
December
of
2016,
the
city
was
informed
by
Ohio
and
EPA
that
the
city
was
required
to
submit
an
application
for
a
municipal,
separate
storm
sewer
system
permit,
which
is
abbreviated
ms4,
because
that
is
a
lot
to
say
and
that
application
needed
to
be
submitted
within
180
days,
and
we
are
coming
up
on
that
time
period.
Now.
This
permit
from
the
Ohio
EPA
regulates.
Stormwater
discharges
in
the
city
of
Athens,
the
MS
for
application
and
stormwater
management
programme
will
be
submitted
to
Ohio
EPA.
Q
And
at
that
time
we
began
developing
the
stormwater
program
based
on
the
city
regulations
entitled
5.07,
because
at
that
time
you
are
not
required
to
have
a
permit
with
the
Ohio
EPA.
So
in
2013
we
implemented
the
program
that
we
created
back
then,
and
we've
been
working
with
that
ever
since,
until
we
were
notified
that
we
needed
to
submit
a
formal
program
to
Ohio
EPA.
Q
So
in
this
year
in
2017,
it
was
decided
that
we
should
that
for
more
cost,
effective
and
efficient
approach
to
developing
the
plan,
we
should
join
forces
with
a
highway
PA.
So
we
are
presenting
a
joint
management
program.
So
this
is
the
program
and
the
ms4
permit
lays
out
what
it
requires
of
the
city
to
do
and
in
the
in
the
permit.
It
identifies
six
minimum
control
measures
for
stormwater
management
in
the
city.
Q
The
first
minimum
control
measure
is
public
education
and
outreach,
and
they,
the
Ohio
EPA,
wants
to
know
what
efforts
we
are
doing
or
going
to
do
in
order
to
educate
the
public
about
the
issue
of
stormwater.
So
we
already
the
city
already.
Does
many
things
about
this?
You
in
the
consumer
confidence
report
for
the
water
plant.
You
include
a
page
on
stormwater
pollution
prevention
and
we
we
will
probably
update
it
every
year
and
this
next
year
will
probably
change
it.
Q
Some
of
the
things
that
our
educator
does
for
stormwater
education
is
that
we
hold
conservative,
accured
conservation
series
every
summer
that
addresses
some
of
our
storm
water
controls,
like
rain,
gardens,
rain
barrels,
proper
lawn
care,
those
sort
of
things.
These
are
all
the
kinds
of
things
though
hi
Oh
EPA
is
looking
for
a
community
to
implement
in
order
to
minimize
stormwater
pollution
and
to
control
excessive
runoff.
So
there's
lots
of
other
things
like
we
go
into
the
grade
schools
and
we
do
programs
educating
the
5th
and
6th
grade
students
about
water
program,
water
issues.
Q
The
minimum
control
measure
number
two
is
about
public
involvement
and
participation,
which
is
another
area
that
the
city
already
has
point
of
running
history
on
when
you're
litter,
cleanup
programs,
the
beautification
day,
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
that
Ohio
EP
is
looking
for.
We
have
the
river
sweep
with
it's
actually
coming
up
on
Saturday,
where
we're
going
to
get
the
community
out
to
clean
up
the
banks
of
the
river
Hocking
River
and
some
of
the
tributaries.
Q
Minimum
control
measure
number
three
is
about
illicit
discharge,
detection
and
elimination,
and
those
are
discharges
to
your
storm
sewer
that
shouldn't
be
there.
Hopefully,
there
aren't
too
many
of
them.
We
will
identify
that
through
sampling
at
the
outfalls
during
dry
weather,
like
it's
been
here
lately.
If
there's
anything
flowing
out
there,
it
could
be
groundwater,
but
it's
probably
you
know
not
and
the
way
we
determine
that
is
through
sampling.
So
so
the
whole
point
is
to
locate.
Q
Q
So
there's
a
standards
and
plan
review
involved
in
that
and
then
the
other
part
of
measure
number
four
is
in
the
follow-up,
which
is
inspection
of
the
sites,
to
make
sure
that
they're
following
the
plan
and
preventing
as
much
as
they
can
pollution
minimum
control
measure
number
five.
This
one
has
to
do
with
post-construction
stormwater
graph
control.
Epa
says
if
you
have
a
site
of
greater
than
five
acres
or
greater,
because
there's
a
chance
you're
going
to
create
a
lot
more
hearts
impermeable
surface.
Q
So
you
know
the
city
will
have
to
address
cleaning
and
maintaining
how
they
go
about
cleaning
and
maintaining
the
storm
sewer
system
that
you
know
the
salt
storage
is
properly
installed
and
maintained
and
they
manage
the
materials
in
the
and
the
chemicals
properly.
You
know
the
city
is
already
doing
a
lot
of
this
stuff.
They
sweep
the
streets,
which
is
a
big
thing.
Q
You
wouldn't
think
that
it's
a
big
deal,
but
it's
it
is
a
huge
deal,
there's
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
dirt
and
grit
that
gets
into
the
streams
just
because
you
know
in
the
wintertime
we
have
to
put
grit
down
in
order
to
keep
the
road
safe.
So
cigarette
bucks,
but
boxes
uptown,
those
are
great
and
the
lidded
trash
can
so
that
the
the
rain
doesn't
get
the
trash
wet
and
then
is
out
the
bottom.
That's
awesome
and
then
the
last
part
of
this
is
training
the
municipal
employees
to
prevent
stormwater
pollution
themselves.
Q
Okay,
so
there's
some
of
the
staff
being
trained?
Okay.
So,
in
addition
to
creating
this
stormwater
program,
we
also
once
a
year
have
to
submit
an
annual
report
and
that's
something
that
I
will
track
the
information
on
and
write,
and
so
you
know
submit
to
be
submitted
by
the
city
and
we
have
to
basically
address
what
we've
done
for
the
six
control
measures
over
the
youth
of
the
last
year
and
the
ms4
permit,
and
the
stormwater
management
program
cover
a
five-year
period
and
will
need
to
be
renewed
at
the
end
of
that
five-year
period.
Q
They
will
notify
you
and
you
need
to
reapply
okay
questions.
Oh,
why
not
one
last
thing
I
do
want
to
say
that
okay,
once
again,
the
city
has
many
of
these
program
elements
already
in
place.
So
you
know
I'd
like
to
commend
the
city
for
being
ahead
of
the
ball,
and
you
know
if
we'd
been
notified
in
December
and
had
nothing
going,
you
didn't
have
a
person
and
you
didn't
have
a
program,
it
would
be,
it
would
have
been
a
mad
scramble.
H
K
Fest
tonight
awesome
you
see.
This
is
why
you
have
proactive
legislation
because
the
sort
of
stuff
comes
down.
My
question
is
I.
Remember
that
you
did
some
training
for
like
lawn
maintenance,
people
and
those
sort
of
thug
right
and
you're,
and
that's
probably
under
the
educational
aspects,
because
what
I
see
a
lot
is
people.
You
know
lawn
maintenance
and
property
managers,
just
kind
of
using
the
streets
as
their
compost
bucket,
you
know,
and
so
how
do
we
get
new
information
out
to
them
where
they
are
required
to
come?
K
Q
Did
we
didn't
actually
have
a
complaint
that
we
received
not
too
long
ago
about
that
and
I
didn't
realize
it
was
a
commercial
company
that
was
being
complained
about
and
the
day
that
we
we
went
up
to
stencil
the
storm
sewers
in
that
neighborhood.
It
just
so
happened
that
the
company
was
there.
So
it
was
awesome
that
the
complaint
came
out
and
mentioned
that
it
was
this
group
and
so
I
went
over
and
I
spoke
to
them
and
then
the
homeowner
came
out
and
I
talked
to
him.
Q
K
I
think
it's
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
identified,
because
the
city
can
do
all
its
homework
and
we
can
break-
and
you
know,
citizens
who
are
concerned
will
make
rain
barrels
and
stuff.
But
it's
the
the
massive
amount
of
property
management
I
mean
around
us
they're,
just
like
they
don't
care
where
they
blow
it.
You
know
flower,
neighbor's,
flower
beds
and
it's
not
just
grass
that's
being
thrown
out.
It's
all
the
garbage
that
the
is
on
the
lawn
that
nobody's
bothered
to
pick
up.
K
M
Q
You
know
really
high
I
know:
I
I
have
approached
some
neighborhoods
and
talked
to
one
neighborhood
association
in
particular.
Where
I
just
mentioned.
You
know
we
would
prefer
that
you
not
blow
your
leaves
to
the
street
in
the
fall,
even
though
the
city
provides
a
service
to
come
along
with
a
backtrack
and
pick
it
up.
Q
If
it
happens
to
rain
between
the
time
you
sweep
it
out
there
and
they
pick
it
up
some
of
its
going
to
end
up
in
the
storm
sewers
and
probably
going
to
cause
trouble
down
the
road
clogging
the
sewer
and
then
you
know
we'll
go
back
up
and
flood
your
neighborhood
and
then
we've
got
a
problem,
so
I
encourage
people
when
I
get
a
chance
to
bag,
their
leaves
or
use
a
mulching,
mower
and
use.
You
know,
compost
the
leaves
on
your
property
because
it's
a
good
use
of
the
material
see.
I
You
I
have
a
broader
good
brother
question
in
terms
of
this
now
this
permit
that
cities
are
supposed
to
have
or
be
approved
for,
and
that
is
that
somewhat
because
of
the
algae
blooms
that
were
started
in
northern
Ohio
and
going
into
Lake
Erie,
because,
obviously
a
lot
of
that
was
stormwater,
fueled
or.
However,
you
want
to
say
that
so
I
just
wondered
it
now.
There
is
a
maybe
a
stronger
impetus
to
move
forward
and
have
cities.
Looked
at
municipalities
looked
at
in
terms
of
what
they
are
doing
well,.
Q
I,
don't
I,
don't
really
think
so,
although
that's
a
big
issue
in
Ohio
right
now,
this
whole
started
back
in
the
90s.
You
know:
US
EPA
felt
that
stormwater
runoff
is
one
of
the
last
remaining
high
pollutant
sources,
given,
though
his
non
point
source,
and
so
they
started
with
the
big
cities
back
in
the
90s,
and
then
they
had
a
phased
in
approach
phase.
Q
One
phase
two
and
I
think
we're
like
either
to
face
after
phase
three
or
actually
interface
for
where
they're
looking
at
the
communities
that
have
the
population
density
and
the
streams
that
that
are
around
the
communities
that
are
impacted
already
with
other.
You
know
possibly
other
sources
of
pollution.
They
don't
want
it
to
be
worse,
so
they
see
this
as
a
way
that
we
can
fix
those
areas,
but
I
do
agree
that
the
nutrient
issue
is
something
that
we
would
like
to
address.
Q
G
Q
They
do
exist,
they
use
them
mostly
for
construction
sites
to
prevent,
like
we
had
them
on
Richland
Avenue,
for
instance,
when
the
construction
project
was
going
on
down
there
to
keep
sediment
out
of
the
catch
basins
they
do
tend
to.
They
require
a
lot
of
maintenance.
You
have
to
again
when
it
when
they
collect
debris,
somebody's
going
to
get
out
there
and
sweep
them
off
and
pick
that
up
and
dispose
of
it
somewhere.
Q
So
it's
a
labor-intensive
thing,
so
I'm
not
sure
it
would
work
in
the
long
run,
I
think
if
we
could
just
address
you
know
the
lawn
clippings
in
the
grass
that
the
human
behavior
involved.
We
could
probably
make
some
significant
headway
not
yet,
and
even
with
the
beer
cans
and
pop
cans,
and
that
you
know
that
ends
up
the
end
of
storm
sewers
to
causes
trouble
so.
L
You
your
presentations
are
always
informative
and
I
would
encourage
us
not
to
rest
on
our
laurels
and
pat
ourselves
on
the
back
too
much
around
this
issue,
but
to
think
about
other
things
that
we
could
be
doing
like
around
the
overuse
of
commercial
pesticides
herbicides
in
our
city.
And
what
can
we
do?
You
know
we're
talking
about
bands
of
conversion
therapy,
why
not
ban
the
use
of
chemical,
herbicides
and
pesticides
in
our
city
and
that
would
greatly
contribute
to
improved
water
quality
in
our
area.
So
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this
issue.
D
D
Another
thing
is
that
the
yard
waste
that
is
collected
in
the
paper
bags
that
individuals
put
out
that
is
collected
and
taken
to
the
composting
facility
at
Ohio
University,
so
I
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
remind
everyone.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
share,
and
this
is
something
that
you
know
for
anyone
who
is
watching
tonight
or
counsel
interested.
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
corrosive
power
of
what
used
to
come
out
of
our
city
trash
cans
up
here,
which
is
it
does
leech.
D
As
Abbot
mentioned,
it's
leaching
off
that's
going
into
the
storm
drain,
look
at
where
the
old
trash
bins
were
removed
and
look
at
the
concrete
how
it's
been
etched
away,
and
that
is
you
know
the
acidity.
That's
eroding
that
and
then
going
into
the
storm
drain,
and
now
we
do
have
the
covered
bins.
We've
got
a
lot
more
to
do,
but
I
think
we're
making
positive
steps
forward.
H
Thank
you,
Mary
any
mistakes,
there's
no
further
questions
or
comments.
Wonderful
again,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
and
thank
you
to
the
mayor's
office
and
the
administration,
any
style
and
code
Department
again
making
this
happen.
So
next
we're
moving
on
to
the
water
treatment
plant
and
updates
from
the
mayor's
office
and
the
city
service
Safety
Director.
Regarding
construction.
D
What
we're
going
to
be
asking
for
is
you
to
grant
council
to
grant
authorization
to
accept
bids
for
the
construction
of
the
waste
or
the
water
treatment
plant
project
we
wanted
to
have
it
introduced
June,
sec
or
June
12th
with
readings
on
June,
19th,
August,
7th
and
August
21st,
and
there
won't
be
in
a
dollar
amount
included
in
this
legislation.
As
we
move
forward,
we.
F
K
D
H
H
The
the
smoke
trailer
is
an
educational
tool
that
the
fire
department
uses
in
their
outreach
and
education,
primarily
in
the
past,
with
with
elementary
age,
children
the
benefit
of
upgrading
to
this
new
and
improved
trailer
will
it
will
enhance
their
ability
to
educate
a
larger
population
of
youth
and
adults
and
young
adults.
The
old
trailer
was
cobbled
together,
I
believe
that's
correct
and
was
not
designed
originally
for
this
intense.
H
The
current
trailer
is
very
limiting
and
in
that
aspect,
so
the
new
trailer
would
be
an
upgrade,
and
that,
in
that
realm-
and
this
last
benefit
I
believe,
is
something
that
would
get
have
to
be
worked
out,
and
that
would
be
the
possibility
again
depending
on
the
design
and
engineering
of
this
particular
trailer
would
be
the
possibility
of
being
used
as
a
control
center
in
emergency
situations
for
response
and
special
occasions
that
would
be
out
of
the
ordinary
anything
else
from
mayor's
office
were
getting
the
trailer.
The.
D
H
G
F
If
anybody's
taking
their
child
to
kid
fast
measure,
it's
always
set
up
there.
In
addition,
during
Fire,
Prevention
Week
in
October
classes
take
field
trips
to
the
fire
station
or
they
bring
that
to
them
and
that's
where
it
simulates
what
to
do
in
a
fire.
It's
like
you
know
down
low
to
the
ground
and
crawl.
You
know
it
has
all
those
components
in
it
that
are
educating
the
children
on
what
to
do
in
case
their
fire
does
in
their
own.
L
L
L
K
Well
also,
I
think
that,
as
identified
it's
at
kid
fest,
so
it
is
serving
not
only
the
city
but
also
the
larger
community,
which
a
lot
of
times
I
one
thing.
Maybe
we
need
to
also
look
at
maybe
some
of
the
fraternities
and
sororities
also
working
together
with
swip
education
and
and
stuff
cuz.
It
seems
that
our
kids,
bigger
kids
well
I,
mean
I
mean
some
of
the
worst
fires
we've
had
in
Athens
has
been
multi-family,
multi-person
houses
so
and
some
of
the
most
horrendous.
So
thank
you
for.
H
H
If
there's
no
further
questions
or
comments,
you
can
move
on
to
the
next
category.
Our
next
discussion
item.
Thank
you.
So
I'm
moving
forward
to
updates
again
from
the
administration
regarding
arts,
West's
and
facility
improvements,
I
believe
that
we've
heard
a
few
discussions,
maybe
a
year
or
two
ago,
regarding
some
of
the
the
upgrades
and
Ruchika
has
spoke
to
us
about
some
of
this.
H
If
I'm
correct
and
remembering
we
were
looking
at
improvements
in
the
basement
of
the
facility,
because
again,
the
bathrooms
are
not
accessible
and
oddly
oddly
made
so
that
was
one
of
the
the
biggest
item.
Upgrades
I
believe
to
a
new
floor
was
part
of
the
discussion
as
well
as
upgrades
to
the
kitchen
space
and
the
administration
has
a
dollar
amount,
some
180,
thousands
that
correct
dirt.
D
What
was
identified
a
year
ago
through
our
BC
architects,
which
was
164,000
so
with
a
hundred
and
eighty
budget,
we're
hoping
that
it'll
come
in
again
when
we
get
the
new
quote
on
what
this
is
going
to
cost
and
you're
correct
member
butler.
That
a
lot
of
it
is
is
giving
some
much-needed
updates
to
the
kitchen
area
in
the
or
level
accessibility.
You
know:
rebuilding
the
reconstruction
of
the
ramp,
the
accessibility,
ramp,
repairs
to
the
north
entrance
way
into
Arts
West,
as
well
as
rebuilding
the
entire
reroofing.
I
B
J
A
B
B
To
learn
at
chess,
yeah
I
got
that
in
her
cannery
in
her
email,
but
by
I
guess.
My
question
was,
since
there
are
some
funds
available
from
the
levy,
I
think
you
said
62,000
that
perhaps
we
could
take
some
out
of
cap
and
some
of
the
levy
leaving
more
in
the
cap
fund
for
other
city
improvements.
Just
an
idea,
since
this
is
committee,
how
to
throw
it
out
there.
We.
H
I
Thank
you.
Our
first
agenda
item
is
work
once
again
talking
about
a
potential
change
for
some
people
who
are
residential
Parker's
on
the
street
on
street
parking.
So
mr.
Nancy,
would
you
like
to
come
up?
I
will
say
that
there
was
a
meeting
several
months
ago
with
many
administration,
and
our
law
director
was
also
in
that
meeting,
and
we
discussed
what
were
some
of
the
issues
moving
forward.
I
R
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
seeing
me
again.
I
I
sent
everyone
an
email,
although
I
forgot,
to
send
the
email
to
the
law
director,
but
I
think
you've
seen
proposal.
It
was
the
one
that
I
submitted
a
couple
of
months
ago
with
all
of
the
updates
that
had
been
suggested
by
city
residents.
The
mayor,
City
Council
members.
R
But
that
seems
to
be
dragging
and
so
I
had
meeting
with
the
mayor
about
a
week
and
a
half
ago,
and
he
said
it's
okay
to
go
forward
with
this
and
then
the
process
of
moving
it
through
City
Council,
which
could
take
what
six
to
eight
weeks
in
your
going
on
recess
and
and
during
that
time
period.
That
we've
been
give
some
definition
to
how
to
get
this
administrative
process
going.
R
I
Or
less
spaces
for
and
I
know
in
the
North
Hill
neighborhood
that
due
to
the
geography
there
are
handful
of
properties
or
several.
You
know
that
don't
even
have
a
parking
spot
due
to
the
nature
of
the
older
homes
and
and
all
of
that
kind
of
thing.
So
we
are
not
just
to
clarify
so
there's
no
confusion.
We
are
not
looking
at
every
are
one
type
of
homeowner
where
we
are
not
considering
that
we
are
considering
people
who
have
a
limited
the
place
to
park
the
car
and
from
a
sustainability
point
of
view.
I
R
Those
neighborhoods
that
are
geographically
challenged,
older
neighborhoods,
where
parking
was
not
considered
essential
and
is
impossible
to
establish
so
these
specific
streets
in
this,
particularly
in
this
geographical
area,
older
part
of
the
city
part
of
this
pilot
project
to
allow
the
residents
who
have
one
or
less
parking
spaces
available
to
them
to
apply
for
a
permit.
So
they
would
be
excused
from
the
24
hour
parking
for
at
least
72
hours,
which
would
then
require
them
to
move
your
car
at
least
once
a
week
as
opposed
to
what
is
happening
now
and
in
these
neighborhoods.
R
Enforcement
is
they
have
to
get
the
car
every
day
daily
for
the
most
part
and
those
people
that
are
in
these
closed
in
neighborhoods.
It's
kind
of
a
because
they're
close
in
walkable,
neighborhoods
and
people
would
like
to
walk
to
work,
walked
a
bit
of
shopping,
walk
uptown,
but
but
in
the
process
of
doing
all
this,
you
have
to
come
home
and
move
your
car,
because
if
you
don't
move,
it
you've
been
tagged
and
you
get
a
tickle.
R
So
although
the
point
of
the
enforcement
was
to
eliminate
storage
parking
that
was
going
on
in
the
neighborhoods,
it
was
not
to
distract
from
a
comfortable
lifestyle
and
the
close
in
residential
neighborhoods.
I'm.
Listening
to
you
talk
earlier
about
the
sustainability
and
climate
change
and
the
little
song
came
through
my
head
as
a
garden
song
inch
by
inch
row
by
row,
I
want
to
make
my
garden
grow
and
if
you
would
like
to
say
inch
by
inch
row
by
row,
I
want
to
create
a
sustainable
community
in
our
city.
R
This
is
just
an
inch,
but
every
inch
counts.
So
the
petition
that
I
had
circulated
I
received
30
signatures
of
people
that
had
inadequate
that's
one
or
no
are
off
street
parking
places
that
would
be
interested
in
purchasing
a
permit
through
an
administrative
process.
The
city
would
provide
and
they
would
then
no
longer
have
to
move
their
car
every
day.
R
I
Other
point,
I
think,
is
important.
That,
in
our
last
conversation,
is
that
in
our
comprehensive
plan
there
is
actually
a
section
on
parking
and
walkable
neighborhoods
in
all
of
that.
So
in
terms
of
some
of
the
questions
about
whether
or
not
we
have
had
some,
you
know,
consultants
and
people
discussed
that
we
have
that
in
our
current
comprehensive
I
could
quote
from
the
plan.
I
If
you'd
like
me
to
can
do
that,
and
then
we
have
a
sustainability
Commission,
which
is
also
supportive
of
the
idea
that
people
don't
if
you
live
in
this
particular,
have
this
particular
dilemma
with
a
vehicle
that
you
wouldn't
have
to
move
it
every
single
day.
Correct.
Yes,
if
I
think
reading
from
the
comprehensive
plan
is
okay,.
R
This
is
under
community
vision,
goals
and
objectives,
13:11,
housing
and
neighborhoods,
and
they
listed
them
in
order
of
importance
and
the
third
one
was
pedestrian
friendly
neighborhoods
existing
neighborhoods
will
become
more
pedestrian.
Oriented
new
neighborhoods
will
be
designed
with
pedestrian
amenities
and
connections
to
key
major
activity
areas.
So
I
speak.
It
really
speaks
to
what
the
old
comprehensive
plan,
even
though
it's
still
in
effect
a
vision
for
the
city
and
I
think
permit
system
as
a
pilot
project
to
see
how
it's
going
to
work,
it
could
be
expanded
into
two.
R
It
could
be
changed,
it
could
be
manipulated,
but
I
think
we
need
to
move
on.
This
I
think
it
needs
to
happen.
It's
been
a
long
time
with
the
car
moving
and
there's
just
so
much
discussion
of
energy
and
climate
and
sustainability.
That
I
don't
think
how
we
could
even
turn
this
down
as
a
possibility
is.
C
R
O
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Brenda
bars
and
I'm
actually
kind
of
new
to
the
commune
here
about
a
year
and
a
half
and
I
live
in
my
daughter,
my
my
son
wall
in
the
glimmerbird
maple
and
it
is,
we
are
dead
in
the
thick
of
it.
As
far
as
parking
there's
three
of
us,
we
have
no
parking,
we
don't
have
a
part
of
the
place,
so
we
struggled
with
the
kids
every
day
and
I
got
snot
I
got
snagged.
She
got
me
by
two
minutes:
I
got
the
ticket.
I
didn't
realize
how
you
tickets
worked.
O
My
car
went
in
the
shop
five
days,
I
got
really
hitch,
so
I
think
it's
an
excellent
program.
I
would
definitely
assign
that
and
if
there's
fate
you
know
and
then
register
have
like
some
kind
of
a
you
know
some
kind
of
a
barcode
or
something
that
she
knows.
Okay,
you
know
I'm
looking
I'm
not
going
to
tag
that
car.
You.
I
O
C
S
G
O
O
Don't
are
dedication,
time
and
hope.
It's
basically
I
think
on
a
table.
There's
only
four
for
permanent.
You
know
residents
and
you
know
they.
They
do
have
parking.
You
know,
but
it's
just
the
you
know
it's
a
tagging
with
the
everyday
you're
moving
so
say
a
point.
My
daughter
and
my
son-in-law
went
out
of
town
at
that
three
vehicles
I've
got
to
move.
If
they
went
out,
you
know
I
mean
so
so
it's
a
mystery.
O
T
Hi
I'm
Karen
Don
live
at
158,
North,
Congress
Street,
my
house
and
the
next
one
above
me
and
probably
about
two
more
my
deed,
says:
nineteen
hundred
I
guess
they
didn't
think
we
needed
driveways
in
those
days
and
so
I've
lifted
my
house
since
about
1992
and
for
a
long
long
long
long
time.
I
have
hoped
that
we
would
have
some
kind
of
help
with
the
parking
situation,
because
North
Congress
is
partly
a
student
neighborhood
and
partly
a
residential
neighborhood,
and
so
it
is
always
an
issue
of
a
parking
place
period.
T
And
then,
if
you
have
to
move
your
car
daily,
you
are
dependent
upon
everyone
else,
moving
their
cars
at
the
same
time
that
you
might
be
or
there's
no
place
to
move
it.
So
probably
within
the
last
few
years,
I've
gotten
about
six
tickets,
and
sometimes
it's
been
my
fault
I
just
forgot
the
car,
I'm
retired.
Now
I
don't
drive
the
car
and
I'm
walking
back
and
forth
I'm
going
somewhere
and
then
I
come
home
and
I.
T
Think,
oh,
my
gosh
did
I
move
the
car,
so
it's
nine
o'clock
midnight
whatever
I
have
to
go
out
there
with
my
flashlight
to
see.
If
I
have
a
mark
on
my
tire
and
if
I
have
a
mark,
then
I
have
to
figure
out
where
to
put
my
car,
so
I
would
be
ever
so
grateful.
You
would
consider
this
as
a
pilot
project.
We
would
thank
you
profoundly
John.
T
Tell
you
I'll
put
it
in
my
phone
and
I'll.
You
know
my
calendars,
but
yeah
72
hours
would
give
such
a
dramatic
change
for
me.
I
think
it
probably
is
going
to
take
a
little
adjustment,
but
it
does
give
you
some
respite,
especially
on
the
weekends,
where
there's
a
lot
of
things
going
on
or
the
neighborhoods
get
really
packed
with
cars
who
are
here
for
some
event
or
whatever
not
having
to
move
the
car.
Would
you
know,
give
us
a
lot
of
respite,
so
please
consider
okay
thanks
any
other
questions.
C
U
U
I
have
several
times
a
season
I'm
wanting
to
walk
downtown
to
participate
in
something,
but
I
know
that
I'm
going
to
have
to
move
my
car
anyway,
so
I'll
Drive,
the
car
downtown,
which
is
pretty
ridiculous
just
to
get
that
moving
the
car
out
of
the
way
and
feel
like
okay,
I
didn't
waste,
a
you
know
feels
less
wasteful
somehow,
so
it
would
be
a
personal
health
benefit
for
those
of
us
who
have
that
issue.
I
have
no
parking
at
my
house.
U
Also
I
think
it
would
encourage
people
to
purchase
houses
that
are
old
and
classic
and
see
that
they're
not
I
mean
my
house
was
on
the
market
for
years
before
I
purchased
it.
So
it
was
probably
not
a
benefit
to
the
city
to
have
it
come
for
sale.
That
long
and
the
other
thing
is
certain
times
of
the
year.
U
Like
Halloween,
when
you
know
the
city
is
taken
over
by
out-of-towners,
those
of
us
who
work
early
hours,
I'm
a
baker
and
I
start
work
early
and
I
have
to
park
far
away
because
there's
definitely
no
parking
on
my
street
that
day
and
so
for
several
days.
I
have
to
walk
usually
early
in
the
morning
when
there's
a
lot
of
shady
stuff
happening.
U
I
K
Fall:
okay,
I've
brought
up
several
concerns
about
this
in
the
past
personally.
I
think
that
the
whole
city
should
be
to
72
hours
make.
It
would
be
just
that
much
easier.
We
have
talked
about
the
pain
of
walking
your
car,
so
I
had
some
questions.
How
do
you
define
challenged
like
geographically
challenged?
K
K
So
that's,
that's
I
think
an
issue
of
whatever
definition
we
come
up
with
and
how
do
you
define
residents
is
that
people
in
the
house-
or
you
know,
renters
who
don't
want
to
walk
their
car
either?
So
that's
that's
another,
and
the
park
proposal
has
to
kind
of
iron
these
out
to
make
sure
that
it's
equal,
it's
you
know
kind
of
equally
across
renters
and
residents,
I
think
that
that
NIST
needs
to
be
firmed
up
and
also
if
this
is
a
pilot
project.
K
How
do
if
it's
I
would
urge
a
short
pilot
project
like
a
six
months
or
something
or
if
it's
going
to
be
longer,
to
have
an
interim
where
you
can,
as
a
neighborhood
say
on
Maplewood,
which
is
a
really
crowded
street.
Most
people
only
have
one
space
for
a
car,
and
lots
of
people
have
two
cars
that
they
can
get
somehow
permitted
into
the
program
like
through
a
petition
or
through
having
you
know,
75%
of
the
neighbors
sign
a
petition
or
an
application,
so
those
are
the
three
general
areas
besides
just
wanting
it
to
be.
R
R
I
think
everything
that
I've
written
up
talks
about
residents
and
the
residents
is
someone
who
occupies
the
house
right,
and
so
there
was
no
discrimination.
There.
I
guess
I
thought
over
around
when
you're
talking
about
Maplewood
are
there
alleyways
I
mean
most
of
the
near
East.
Side
has
alleyways
that
run
no.
K
K
There's
a
there's
that
issue.
We
will
show
everywhere
right
right,
which
compounds
this
problem.
Yes,
absolutely
there's
are.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
sure
they
may
have
a
short
driveway
that
they
can
fit
a
car.
Their
garage
may
not
be
big
enough
for
their
car.
Our
garage
is
like
you
can't
fit
really
very
much
bigger
than
our
fairly
small
car
in
it.
K
Busy
roads
like
North
Congress,
that
has
just
a
gazillion
people
parking
on
it,
because
you
have
fairly
high
density
of
people
in
the
west
side
because
you
have
hills
and
Dale's
and
old
houses,
but
there's
also
other
challenges
but
may
not
be
Geographic,
but
maybe
the
age
of
the
house
or
the
the
circumstance
on
certain
roads
that
it's
just
more
difficult
to
find
a
space
to
park.
To
move
it
like
like
Karen,
was
talking
about.
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
very
careful
in
how
we
define
challenged.
So
okay.
R
R
R
R
They
were
denied
because
the
light
of
sight
you
couldn't
get
up
to
the
student
can't
see
cars
coming
in
either
direction.
So
there
are
places
like
that.
But
the
one
was
talking
about
we,
the
cars,
the
drive
in
the
rear,
was
inaccessible
because
it
was
so
steep.
There's
a
house
like
that
across
the
street
from
me,
where
the
only
thing
that
can
park
in
that
driveway
and
it's
a
fairly
new
house
whoa
2025
years
so
that's
fairly
new
for
Athens
is
a
truck
and
so
we're
do.
We
have
I
wore
their
code.
R
Regulations
back
in
the
old
days
are
weren't
right.
You
know
for
steep
inclines
and
and
and
other
other
areas
like
that,
but
I
particularly
Kris
on
the
west
side
that
it's
impossible.
Some
of
those
lots
are
so
small.
Some
of
the
terrain
is
so
up
and
down
that
it's
impossible
and
they
didn't
construct
those
neighborhoods
and
up
on
North
Congress
Street
with
alleyways.
There
are
a
few
on
the
west
side,
particularly
between
West,
Washington,
Street
and
West,
8th
Street
and
in
other
places,
but
ok
I.
Just.
K
K
Time
ago,
ok,
but,
but
the
point
is,
is
that
we
have
to
be
careful
in
defining
what
we
say
as
geographically
or
topographically
geographically
and
topographically
are
two
entirely
they're
different
in
certain
respect,
West,
and
so,
if
you
have
to
use
them
both
so
right.
So
if
you
talk
about
near
close
in
neighborhoods
that
that's
a
geographic
and
that
may
make
sense
to
a
lot
of
people
who
have
these
tiny
little
Lots,
who
only
have
one
place,
but
they
have
a
teenager
who
drives
now.
K
So
you
have
two
cars
as
opposed
to
just
defining
it
as
a
as
a
topographical
thing.
I
think
that
whatever
we
go
forward
with
us,
we
have
to
be
really
specific
so
that
we
don't
have
people
coming
and
and
challenging
the
administration
with.
Why
don't?
Why
is
our
neighborhood?
A
that's!
That's
my
been
my
concern
through
this
whole
thing
about
making
sure
that
it's
fair
and
equitable
okay.
So
alright.
B
Thing
about
that,
this
proposed
legislation
specifically
defines
certain
streets
to
test
this
thing
out:
correct,
okay,
so
to
me
that
this
whole
argument
is
moved,
it's
only
going
to
be
the
streets,
nobody
else's
streets,
I,
can't
I,
live
on.
Carol
I
can't
go
to
the
administration
and
say
hey:
how
come
my
streets
not
in
here?
Well,
because
it
wasn't
included
in
the
pilot
project.
It's
just
not
there.
Why
isn't
it
there
because
City
Council
made
it
that
way
and
that's
it?
H
You
again
mr.
Krantz
key.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Thank
you,
your
discussion.
Thank
you
for
helping
keep
the
discussion
alive.
Obviously,
we
have
citizens
that
are
concerned
and
in
need
of
our
assistance
and
would
benefit
from
this.
I
want
to
continue
to
advocate
for
the
pilot
project,
because
I've
heard
from
citizens
on
the
west
side
of
expressed
frustration
and
having
to
deal
with
this
and
have
even
gone
to
the
length
of
moving
out
of
the
west
side.
Because
of
this
very
issue,
so
I
do
appreciate
comments
from
our
citizens.
H
Who've
talked
about
the
challenges
and
want
to
continue
to
be
pedestrians
that
are
walking
instead
of
walking
their
car
so
again,
I
support
this
I
appreciate
the
concerns
expressed
by
my
colleague
on
council,
and
perhaps
you
know,
one
alleviation
or
one
method
or
one
forward
motion
would
be
that
this
is
the
phase
one
of
the
pilot
program,
and
then
we
look
at
and
consider
phase
two
of
a
pilot
program.
If
this
becomes
successful
and
administration
is
pleased
with
it.
Thank
you,
I
would.
I
Just
add
to
that
in
terms
of
pilot
programs,
it
can
go
the
other
way,
and
maybe
it
wasn't
successful.
So
we'll
have
to
look
at
that
if,
as
we
move
forward
with
the
legislation
and
actually
write
that
into
the
legislation
as
well,
that
this
will
be
reviewed
at
a
future
date
and
that
will
be
part
of
the
legislation
as
well.
J
You
know
I
know
you
know
still
I'm
still
working
through
this
one
I'm
still
thinking
about
it,
but
it
kind
of
for
me.
You
know
and
of
course,
I
always
have
to
back
up
and
look
at
the
big
picture.
What
kind
of
community
do
we
want
right
now
we're
penalizing
some
community
members
for
making
some
choices
that
doesn't
confirm.
You
know
conform
with
our
with
our
current
parking
system,
so
yeah
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this,
for
this
work.
I
think
here,
I
think
you're
onto
something
yeah
and.
I
We
don't
know,
we
don't
know
until
we
try
it
and
I
think
that
moving
in
the
right
direction
is
to
try
a
pilot
and
then,
if
it
doesn't
work,
it
doesn't
work,
but
we
do
have
citizens
support.
You
had
a
petition
that
had
30-some
names
on
it.
These
weren't
people
who
had
a
large
driveway
with
lots
of
parking
because
otherwise
they
wouldn't
have
signed
it.
I
These
are
people
who
are
right
now
in
need
of
some
type
of
assistance
and
they're
trying
to
be
good
citizens
I,
like
the
example
of
wanting
to
walk
to
downtown,
but
feeling
the
need
to
move
the
car.
You
know
and
then
driving
there
just
to
move
the
car
and
I
think
that
happens
way
more
often
than
we
want
it
to
happen.
So.
R
Today
that
whoever
administrated
Lee
is
going
to
run
this
project
that
several
other
towns,
whether
it's
Morgantown
or
Miami
or
Indiana,
but
have
put
this
together
administratively,
so
there
are
so
many
communities
that
have
parking
passes
I
mean
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
recreate
the
wheel.
Somebody
could
could
say:
oh,
these
are,
this
is
what
we
did,
and
these
are
things
that
didn't
work,
so
we
switch
over
doing
this,
so
I
would
recommend
doing
this,
and
and
these
this
is
how
this
worked
for
us.
These
are
the
people
that
complained
about
it.
R
D
My
councils,
aware
of
this
I,
think
some
council
members
are
attending.
We
are
going
to
Oxford
in
July
for
the
Ohio
town-gown
summit
and
I
think
that's
a
great
opportunity
to
actually
speak
with
city
officials
in
Oxford,
as
well
as
University
officials
to
see
how
well
this
program
is
working
or
if
it
is
working
at
all.
I
think
that
there
will
be
a
lot
gained
by
engaging
with
our
colleagues
in
the
city
of
Oxford
and
Miami.
D
University
I
do
have
a
something
I
just
received
this
afternoon
at
4:30
from
deputy
service
safety,
director,
Ron
Lucas,
and
if
I
may
I'd
like
to
read
this
because
this
kind
of
sums
up
a
meeting
I
was
not
in
attendance.
I
was
with
mr.
nance
key
I
know
that
law
director
at
Lisa
liason,
was
there.
There
was
a
meeting
and
I
think
that
council
member
meshell
Pappy
was
in
attendance
as
well
as
was
Paul
low
city
planner.
Captain
Harvey.
F
D
Was
this
was
a
meeting
before
this
one?
This
was
the
initial
meeting
where
we
really
started
kind
of
thinking
this
through
this
was
several
months
ago.
This
is
a
follow-on
meeting
and
that
what
deputy
service
safety
director
wrote
is
a
group
comprised
comprised
of
Paulo
Rick's
Roy's
Lance
Ellison
from
the
Code
office,
captain
Harvey
and
Law
Director,
Lesa,
liason
and
myself
met
regarding
the
24-hour
parking
regulations.
We
agree
the
most
we
agreed
the
most
appropriate
forum
to
change.
Our
existing
regulation
is
through
the
comprehensive
plan
falls
on.
D
We
found
that
the
current
law
as
intended
works
as
intended
to
eliminate
storage
parking
problems.
We
agreed
that
it
would
be
possible
for
residents
to
apply
for
and
purchase
a
24-hour
parking
pass
that
would
allow
for
residents
to
park
on
their
streets
for
an
extended
period
of
time
without
moving,
the
permit
would
be
limited
to
one
per
household
and
it
would
be
registered
to
a
license
plate
as
well
as
to
a
street
street
address.
D
This
is
Street,
but
street
address
whatever
so
that
people
don't
just
start
deciding
that
they
can
park
anywhere
in
the
city
of
Athens
for
a
period
of
time.
We
did
not
reach
consensus
on
the
cost
of
that.
Permit
that
it
goes
on.
The
permit
process
is
recommended
to
be
available
to
all
residents
owns
residential
zones
in
the
city
as
to
allow
for
fair
access
to
all
residents.
If
I
may
ask
the
city's
law
director,
if
you
would
let
care
to
weigh
in
on
the
issue
of
fairness
across
the
city,.
S
R
What
I
would
like
to
add
to
that
is
that
in
differentiating
between
the
different
residential
neighborhoods,
r1,
r2
and
r3,
if
you
go
to
the
code,
they're
differentiated
and
each
one
of
those
zones
has
a
different
definition.
Different
requirements
placed
upon
it
so
I
think
just
to
single
out.
Certain
properties
in
r1
does
not
go
against
the
code
or
does
should
not
offend
those
residents
in
our
twos
and
our
threes.
I
I
I
So
that
we
are
dealing
with
the
money
appropriately
from
the
right
funds,
is
that
correct
auditor?
So
initially,
because
we've
discussed
this
already,
we
it
was
suggested
that
we
did
not
need
to
discuss
it,
but
I
wanted
counsel
to
have
an
opportunity
to
look
at
it,
and
this
is
fifty
nine.
Seventeen
is
that
in
the
drive,
is
everybody
seeing
that
so
they
know
the
changes
I
received
it
in
an
email,
so
I'm,
not
sure
if
everybody
has
it.
V
The
candy
and
the
you
know,
Street
department
operates
out
about
four
or
five
different
funds
to
25
and
to
26
our
state
highway
funds
and
our
County
wheel
tax
fund
and
those
are
Street
Improvement
funds
to
use
that
money
for,
however,
they're
supposed
to
be
used
for
state
and
county
roads
in
the
city
limits
and
not
for
sidewalks
one
of
the
projects.
I,
don't
remember
now
which
one
of
those
ordinances
it
includes.
Sidewalk
improvements
and
that's
just
not
a
appropriate
allowable
use
of
those
funds,
and
so
Andy
is
just
changing.
C
C
Q
I
Evening
the
state
has
decided
to
pave
route
56,
which
is
our
Union
Street
and
we've
decided-
or
it
is
being
suggested
by
the
street
director-
that
we
continue
that
paving
into
our
city
so
that
there's
consistency
there
to
682.
So
just
continue
that
section
from
if
you
think
about
it,
Morrison
school
out
to
the
light
there
at
682
and
Union,
and
we
go
ahead
and
pave
that
since
they're
already
paving
they
pay
the
80%
and
we
pay
the
20%
good.
I
D
I
B
B
D
I
B
V
From
ourselves
I
ride,
we
don't
have
the
money
to
Bobby's
out
right.
We
talked
about
financing
and
the
option
of
borrowing
from
ourselves,
and
so
I've
reached
out
I
reached
out
to
the
County
Treasurer
Bill
bias,
because
they
have
done
this
and
to
Mary
Ann
because,
as
our
treasurer,
she
would
also
be
involved
and
Mary
Ann's
had
some
questions.
V
As
do
I,
the
main
question,
being
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
borrow
money,
but
we
need
a
plan
to
pay
it
back,
which
I'm
not
sure
where
we
are
on
that
bill
said
he
would
be
happy
to
walk
me
through
the
process,
but
suggested
I
go
ahead
and
reach
out
to
Dennis
Wally
our
bond
council,
since
he
would
be
preparing
all
the
paperwork
for
this
process
and
I
have
reached
out
and
hadn't
heard
back
from
him
by
the
end
of
today.
So
I'll,
let
the
administration
know
as
soon
as
I
know.
D
D
That
came
out
of
the
otters
meeting
that
we
had
a
week
ago
last
semester.
Thank
you.
Yes,
my
world
flies
by
is
the
possibility
of
whether
it
comes
out
of
cap
or
where
it
comes
from
that
one
option.
One
way
of
doing
this
is
is
kind
of
parsing
the
finances
pulling
together
finances
for
this
is
278
272
or
four
thousand
dollars
for
the
generator
to
power.
D
Both
you
know
the
law
building
as
well
as
is
this
building,
is
that
the
different
departments,
kind
of
kind
of
pay,
a
fair
share
in
this
process,
which
would
also
include
the
courts
in
pain,
helping
to
pay
for
this,
which
is
this,
is
a
big
undertaking,
but
it's
much
needed
because
it's
generating
you
know
what
these
emergency
generators
are
generator
one
is
affording
us
is
to
make
sure
that
both
these
buildings
are
able
to
stay
online.
In
case
of
you
know,
the
power
grid
dropping
down
in
the
Uptown
area,
so.
B
What
you're
looking
at
right
now,
then,
in
addition
to
the
paperwork
figure
out,
the
correct
procedure
is
the
sources
of
revenue
for
the
payback,
correct
and
then
a
schedule
just
like
anybody
has
a
mortgage
has
to
pay
money
back.
You
there's
a
schedule,
a
coupon
book
or
something
that
says.
Okay
at
this
time,
I
have
to
pay
this
much
and
a
length
of
time
that
that's
going
to
go
over.
How
long
do
we
want
to
take
to
pay
ourselves
back
and
at
what
interest?
I
V
What
we're
really
borrowing
from
this
is
our
money
in
the
bank.
We
have
a
lot
of
money
in
the
bank,
but
not
all
funds
have
access
to
that
money
and
it's
a
different
process
and,
as
I
said,
it
is
allowable
I've
heard
about
it.
At
finance
companies,
I've
gone
to
and
I
know,
the
county
has
done
it
and
one
of
the
things
they
did
use
money
for
were
the
worst
emergency
generators,
among
other
things,
windows,
different
things,
so
capital
improvements
is
probably
the
most
allowable
thing
that
you
would
borrow
from
yourself.
I
I
V
A
A
V
Exactly
okay
and
in
the
big
picture
of
the
city,
272,000
is
a
lot
of
them
money
and
especially
to
pay
back.
However,
we
have
a
thirty
four
thirty
five
million
dollar
budget
citywide
and
is
fourteen
million
just
in
the
general
fund.
So
we
we
deal
with
a
lot
of
money
and,
like
you
said
there
are
parameters
we
would
have
to
stay
with
them.
G
Thank
you,
hello,
Roy,
sir
I
just
wanted
to
mention
last
time.
This
came
up.
I
had
mentioned
that
perhaps
you
could
look
in
the
solar
or
these
consider
renewable
energies
that
you
indicated
you
would
do
so
for
the
sake
of
your
children
and
your
children's
children,
children
I
would
hope
that
would
be
something
that
this
administration
would
consider,
because
I
I
think
actions
are
very
important
at
this
time
and
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
extent
of
the
generator
need
that
seems
to
be
growing.
G
So
I
think,
if
you're
asking
the
city
to
borrow
money
from
itself
and
for
the
taxpayers
to
basically
be
responsible
for
paying
for
that,
I
think
you
should
at
least
figure
out
what
are
the
essential
services
that
you
want
to
protect,
as
opposed
to
other
services
like
whether
this
room
needs
to
be
air-conditioned
at
all
times
during
the
day
during
any
emergency,
so
I
mean
there
are
some
variations
on
that
sure.
We're.
D
L
You
member
Eisner
I
shared
some
of
those
same
concerns
about
the
fiscal
responsibility
to
our
taxpayers,
about
purchase
of
emergency.
Backup
generator-
and
particularly
you
know,
is
this:
in
keeping
with
our
sustainability
plan,
I
realize
it's
only
an
emergency
backup
generator,
but
we're
looking
at
emergency
backup
generators
for
more
and
more
buildings
now,
and
does
it
not
make
more
sense
to
perhaps
outsource
our
server
capabilities
so
that
we
don't
have
to
ensure
that
we
have
emergency
backup
capabilities?
L
You
quoted
earlier
that
70%
of
our
carbon
emissions
start
at
the
municipal
level
and
diesel
fuel
is
one
major
culprit
in
contributing
to
global
warming.
So
the
more
I
learn
about
and
the
more
I
think
about
this
issue.
The
less
comfortable
I
feel
with
the
increase
in
usage
and
purchase
of
these
emergency
backup
generators
put
that
out
there
never.
H
Bother,
thank
you.
I'll
just
add
briefly
to
the
discussion
regarding
solar
to
might
be
worthwhile
for
us
to
look
at
the
tesla
powerwall,
which
is
a
newer
product
and
used
in
homes.
It
may
or
may
not
be
large
enough
for
this
system,
but
I'm
sure
for
straining
enough
of
them
together.
It
might
be
an
option,
but
it
is
a
solar
option
or
renewable
that
might
be
worthwhile
looking
into
that's
on
a
tesla
website
again,
it's
not
my
area
of
expertise,
so
I
wouldn't
build
on
no
but
could
be
worthwhile
looking
into.
J
Remember
caution,
thank
you
I
guess,
but
my
my
first
question
would
be
I
know.
Currently
we
have
there's
a
couple
buildings,
but
I
know
the
police
station
has
partial
partial
generator.
The
community
center
inherited
the
wastewater
treatment
plants
of
the
wastewater
treatment
plant.
Has
it
has
a
generator
the
water
treatment
plant
I
assume
that
one
will
also
have?
No,
so
it's
not
done
okay
does
it?
Does
it
need
one
or
does.
B
D
Current
MoU
at
Ohio
University
is
that
we
would
use
their
their
trailered
system,
okay,
generation
system
and
plug-in.
That's
part
of
the
retrofit
that
we're
going
to
see
with
the
waste
or
the
water
treatment
plant
is
that
we
have
receptacles
to
be
able
to
plug
in
merge
situation
and
switch
over
to
again
generated
power.
I,
don't
even
believe
that
if
we
go
with
the
highly
in
favor
of
looking
at
the
280
278
kilowatt
solar
array,
you
know
that
pales
in
comparison
to
the
amount
of
energy
that
the
water
treatment
plant
requires
yeah
annually
to
operate.
B
V
Two
days
the
reason
the
Community
Center
got
to
generate
it
was
not
so
people
can
go
work
out.
You
know,
even
though
we've
had
a
great
show
it's,
because
it
is
a
designated
shelter
in
case
of
crisis
and
as
far
as
the
server's,
we
have
our
own
servers
in
the
finance
department
and
as
we
go
more
and
more
paperless,
the
state
and
the
auditors
have
also
become
more
and
more
attentive
to
the
fact
that
for
disaster
recovery
plans
as
far
as
Municipal
Court,
the
legislature
has
written
up
their
disaster
recovery
plan.
V
So
the
idea
that
if
you
don't
have
your
information
backed
up
and
you
have
no
paper
copies
to
recreate,
that
is
an
issue.
So
three
years
ago
the
state
started
doing
IT
audits,
along
with
their
financial
audits
for
the
city.
So
I
think
that
is
part
of
the
impetus
for
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
servers
in
City
Hall
and
the
servers
in
our
office
are
up
and
running.
V
It
only
makes
sense
that
we
would
make
it
available
to
the
entire
building
and
not
cut
court
off,
so
they
couldn't
operate,
but
so
there
is
a
little
more
to
it.
I
have
mixed
feelings
about
all
this
I
understand
all
the
questions.
Of
course.
For
me,
it
boils
down
to
the
money
and
whether
we
can
afford
it,
but
I
would
say
that
there
are
a
lot
of
reasons
for
us
to
do
this,
whether
we
get
a
different
type
of
generator.
V
B
Just
want
to
interject
that
one
of
the
things
like
I
opposed
about
farming
out
IT
to
somebody
on
the
cloud
is
when
you
do
that,
you
don't
know
where
your
data
goes.
I
don't
know
where
it
goes.
They
don't
know
where
it
goes.
The
the
standard
procedure
with
emergency
backups
on
the
cloud
is
no
one
place
has
all
of
it.
They
take
a
chunk
and
they
say:
okay,
we'll
keep
it
here,
and
this
other
chunk
we're
going
to
contract
with
these
guys
over
here
and
in
the
third
chunk.
B
It
will
go
over
here
and
the
idea
is,
of
course,
if
any
one
of
them
got
blown
up.
The
other
two
would
be
there
to
back
them
up.
Well,
the
problem
is,
as
IT
goes,
company
a
gets,
bought
up
by
Company
B
and
then
gets
brought
up
by
company
C.
Now.
Does
your
contract
that
you
had
with
a
apply
the
C?
No
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
apply
at
all.
There
you're
no
longer
their
first
line,
customer
you're.
Never
they
don't
know
you
exist.
B
That's
that's
the
issue.
You
start
getting
once
you
lose
control
of
your
data
once
that
data
leaves
here.
It's
gone,
there's
no,
bringing
it
back
so
once
you
lose
control,
you
lost
control
and
we
keep
talking
about.
Well,
we
we
want
local
control.
We
want
our
local
government
that
be
able
to
have
us
own
power.
Yet
we're
gonna
take
the
most
important
thing
that
we've
got.
That's
our
data
and
we're
going
to
give
it.
We
don't
know
we
give
it
to
I
mean
it.
B
You
don't
know
and
there's
no
way
of
really
knowing
so
every
time
I
hear
that
I
just
think
it
I'm
sorry
I've
been
an
IT
for
35
years,
I've
seen
it
coming
and
going
up
and
down
right,
left
and
center
and
I'm
really
opposed
to
that
idea.
So
if
it
requires
a
generator
to
keep
it
running,
I'm
all
for
it
so
well
off
my
soapbox.
D
Not
a
question
but
again
to
member
Cochran
and
and
member
McGee
that
we
will
look
into
all
you
know,
feasible
options,
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
carbon
footprint
that
you're
right
and
so
we'll
we'll
look
at
all
the
possibilities
but
know
that
what
some
of
these
possibilities
could
likely
come
a
much
higher
price
tag.
We
just
don't
know
I
know
we
don't
recently
whoa,
look
okay,.
G
V
I
forgot
about
paperwork,
said
to
bring
anything
so
I
have
unclaimed
funds
written
down.
Yes,
we
need
two
thousand
two
hundred
twenty
four
dollars
and
twenty
cents
in
that
fun.
We
put
fifteenth
out
fifteen
hundred
in
there
at
the
beginning
of
the
year,
but
we
never
know
until
this
point
in
the
year.
V
You
know
what
what
checks
aren't
being
cashed,
and
at
this
point
we
realized
that
some
tax
refunds
are
probably
about
half
of
it.
Some
of
them
are
for
vendors,
and
some
of
them
are
for
payroll
checks,
and
so
this
is
how
much
we
need,
additionally,
the
exact
amount
so
that
we
can,
with
those
refunds
and
then
CFI
another
one.
No
not
talking
about
that
tonight.
So
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
remember
the.
D
Mural
photographic
display
is
a
better
way
to
frame
it
on
the
parking
garage
at
the
sidewalk
level,
where,
as
you're
looking
at
the
north
side
of
the
parking
garage
where
the
brick
panels
are
basically
across
rooms,
family
right
across
from
the
city
building,
as
you
exit
the
city
building
you're
looking
right
at
them,
the
Athens
miss
will
Arts
Commission
has
approved
the
design
and
the
concept
that
they
want
to
move
forward.
The
current
parking
garage
fund
has
in
excess
of
six
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
That
said,
the
Athens
photographic
project
has
secured
funding
from
Athens
County
Foundation,
as
is
looking
to
get
funding
from
the
Ohio
Arts
Council
and
some
other
areas,
and
so
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
have
counsel
appropriate
$30,000
from
the
garbage
fun
fun.
Let's
take
it
from
there
to
from
the
same
they
garage
fund.
In
order
to
get
this
project
going,
this
is
also
I.