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A
A
B
B
From
the
state,
so
there
are
several
warehouses
in
this
resolution.
It
begins
with
where,
as
the
state
of
Ohio
has
expressed
an
interest
in
transferring
the
ownership
and
operation
of
Stroud
run
State
Park
to
the
city
of
Athens,
and
it
goes
on
for
several
more,
but
then
it
ends
up
with
be
it
resolved
by
the
Council
of
the
city
of
Athens
that
we
do
hereby
support
the
recommendation
of
the
strategy,
one
task
force
and
we
just
further
desire.
B
We
desire
further
information
regarding
financing
such
a
venture
and
request
that
the
mayor
investigate
the
terms
and
conditions
of
the
land
transfer
and
funding
sources
in
order
to
provide
final
contract
details.
It's
maybe
a
one
reading
resolution
that
again
authorizes
the
mayor
to
investigate
this
question.
Further.
It's
no
there's,
no
commitment
involved.
B
C
Essentially,
section
two
they're
looking
at
the
financial
part,
that's
the
important
part
to
me
see
I've
been
basic,
getting
feedback
from
various
people
on
the
phone
that
they
don't
like.
The
idea
of
us
spending
money
on
stuff
like
this,
when
we
need
police
and
fire
I
took
a
walk
around
Strauss
run
the
weekend
before
Thanksgiving
and
I.
C
Think
I
ran
into
half
a
dozen
people
and
six
out
of
six
we're,
basically
guys
you
know
facing
saying:
should
we
take
it
over
there
there
and
most
of
said
no
for
various
reasons,
some
of
them
like
the
primitive
nature
of
it,
the
fact
there
isn't
a
ranger
there,
so
they
can
walk
their
dog
without
being
yelled
at
some
thought.
That
was
great
that
they
could
just
to
run
around
and
have
nobody
watching
who
I
guess,
I,
don't
know,
but.
C
B
D
I
do
think
it's
important
to
remind
folks
that
the
proposal
is
not
to
increase
the
management
of
stroud
run
it's
to
keep
it
on
a
fairly
low-key
basis
and
to
provide
opportunities
for
programs
that
are
well
suited
to
the
area.
So
I
think
that
concern
that
it's
going
to
be
someone
from
the
city
looking
over
folks
shoulders
out.
There
is
not
very
accurate
I
do
think.
D
There
are
a
lot
of
financial
questions
that
need
to
be
addressed
and
the
recommendations
from
the
task
force
said
that
that
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
have
to
be
in
place
to
make
it
work,
and
certainly
the
management
plan
is
a
major
one.
So
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
this
particular
resolution
is
just
supportive
of
continuing
the
investigation.
D
B
E
Don't
support
this
I
basic
I
told
you
already
I've
heard
from
people
that
there's
no
way
in
the
world
we're
ever
gonna
have
ownership
of
it
and
I
think
those
people
we're
talking
from
a
higher
level
of
authority
than
and
I
just
don't
think
I'm
for
it.
I
would
rather
see
our
police
restored
to
the
priam
to
the
clinton-era
level
and
if
it
cost
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
come
up
with
a
management
plan,
that's
one
policeman
one
year
so
I'm
not
in
favor
of
it
and
I,
don't
want
a
co-sponsor,
it
I
mean
all.
E
E
Pathetic
is
too
strong
a
word.
Let
me
reel
it
back.
My
head
is
pounding.
Let
me
say
instead
that
it
was
very
inadequate
because
they
don't
know
and
when
they
don't
know,
I
guess
I'm
concerned.
G
B
H
F
E
B
That
but
we're
not
voting
on
accepting
the
recommendation.
We're
asking
the
mayor
to
investigate
further
the
possibilities
for
for
financing
this
and
then
come
back
to
us,
and
at
that
time
we
would
vote
on
whether
we
were
gonna
authorize,
any
spending
or
financial
commitments.
This
is
just
authorizing
the
mayor
to
have
further
discussions.
We
still
have
to
clear
up
the
ownership
issue
and
all
everybody
has
suggested
that
we
still
have
questions
about
the
possibility
of
financing
or
so
this
is
just
the
same.
You,
you
formed
a
task
force.
B
E
D
Borrowed
Debbie's
copy
of
the
the
task
force,
I
didn't
have
mine,
but
I
I
thought
think
it's
important
to
kind
of
take
a
look
at
what
the
recommendations
to
the
mayor
were
that
we're
saying
that
we're
supportive
of
infirst
it's.
We
recommend
that
the
city
enter
into
an
agreement
with
ODNR
to
assume
title
maintenance
and
operation
of
strout's
run.
So
it's
very
clear
in
that
recommendation
that
it
includes
ownership.
D
Then
we
recommend
that
the
mayor
seek
approval
of
the
following
ordinances
from
City
Council
to
facilitate
the
operation
and
without
all
it's
asking
is
that
he,
you
know
continued
the
process.
It
does
not
really
imply
that
council
with
but
vote
on,
every
ordinance,
favorably
or
anything
like
that.
It
basically
says
that
the
mayor
has
to
be
the
driving
force
here
in
terms
of
putting
together
legislation
that
could
potentially
make
it
work,
but
it
also
very
clearly
implies
title,
not
just
management,
so.
E
Then
you
put
that
in
mind.
The
mayor
is
allowed
to
spend
20,000
out
of
red
wine
for
personal
services
or
or
no
for
services.
Professional
services,
I,
should
say,
I.
Think
it's
20
thousand,
that's
a
lot
of
money,
and
so
you
know
a
lot
of
the
money
that's
appropriated
could
be
used
and
so
I
guess
I
would
ask
for
a
gentleman's
agreement
that
we
wouldn't
proceed
until
we
know
until
council
approves
the.
C
B
I
Well,
I
have
taken
this
as
being
one
where
we
need
to
finalize
things
with
the
state
of
Ohio
as
to
exactly
what
they're
willing
to
enter
into
is
an
agreement.
But
in
addition
to
that,
we
have
to
see
what
other
partners
there
are
and
what
commitments
they
would
make
and
even
though
you
know
in
talking
to
some
of
the
those
constituent
groups,
the
feedback
I
get,
is
both
counsel
going
to
do
this
and
I
say
well.
I
They've
made
no
indication
of
whether
or
not
they
would
or
they
would
not
I
think
they're
concerned
about
the
finances
of
it.
There
are
four
more
partnerships
that
help
lessen
the
financial
burden
to
the
city
would
be
beneficial,
so
I
felt
that,
with
some
type
of
a
resolution
that
council
was
comfortable
with,
and
that's
why
I
really
haven't
entered
the
discussion,
because
it
can't
be
my
resolution.
I
It
has
to
be
yours,
but
authorizing
me
to
go
forward
to
try
to
seek
other
partners
that
would
help
us
in
the
financial
burdens
with
Strauss
run
and
also
to
find
out
what
exactly.
If
it
is
the
title,
what
conditions
the
state
might
put
upon
that,
because,
obviously
I
don't
think
they
want
to
give
up
to
us
and
give
us
total
authority
to
sell
it
off
or
or
anything
else,
I
mean
there's
going
to
be
some
conditions
and
strings
that
the
state
of
Ohio
will
want
to
put
on
it.
I
We
don't
know
what
all
those
are,
but
we
need
to
have
that
and
that's
what
I
don't
want
to
have
to
spend
the
staff
time
and
effort
to
go
out
and
do
all
that
if
the
majority
of
council
says
that
they
don't
wish
to
support
it
into
the
issue
of
the
finances,
sure
everything
the
city
does
cost
money.
You
see
things
in
the
budget.
I
The
team
presented
tonight
that
we've
gone
through
numerous
committee
meetings
on
and
council
members
have
made
choices
and
that
respect
as
to
what
there
you
wanna
fund
and
what
they
don't
want
to
fund
it's
something.
That's
what
we
were
elected
to.
Do
we
make
those
choices.
I
only
recommend
you,
you
have
the
final
say
on
those
in,
but
this
would
give
me
you
know,
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
some
members
of
council
is.
I
They
wanna
further
qualify
it,
but
unless
you're
serious
about
really
looking
at
it
vote,
no
against
it,
you
know,
don't
put
everybody
in
the
public
that
supports
it
through
it.
If
you're
gonna
say
the
only
extra
dime
I'm
going
to
do
is
for
a
policeman
or
a
fireman
just
vote
against
it,
because
you've
already
done
different
and
in
the
budget
you
run.
You
know
here
you
know
later
tonight,
because
you've
made
choices
and
decided.
I
J
A14
Granville
Avenue
in
Athens
I
worked
in
the
National
Park
System,
the
u.s.
Forest
System
and
for
the
US
Department
of
Culture,
for
a
total
of
about
ten
seasons,
so
I'm
closely
a
very
knowledgeable
of
what
it
takes
to
run
a
park
and
what
programs
are
needed
and
I've
had
opportunities
to
be
in
on
some
budgetary
decision-making
in
regards
to
some
small
park
operations.
J
This
opportunity,
along
with
the
fact
that
we've
already
acquired
these
other
adjacent
lands,
one
of
them,
which
is
actually
a
study
area,
as
you
probably
well,
Rockwoods
forms
a
complete
contiguous
Greenway
that
we
have
been
committed
to
in
the
past
are
committed
to,
and
I
just
want
to
say.
We
haven't
had
enough
time
to
really
look
at
in
terms
of
funding
sources
and
in
terms
of
co-operators
in
terms
of.
J
Management
management
opportunities
and
which
would
include
funding
from
other
sources
I,
don't
need
to
go
into
it
right
now,
but
there
needs
to
be
an
opportunity
and
I've
asked
you
to
support
the
the
mayor
in
the
in
the
sense
of
well.
You
know
giving
your
support
to
him
to
be
able
to
go
forward
to
find
out
what
those
resources
are.
J
Phasing
interested
one
might
look
at
the
City
of
Aurora,
while
it's
up
near
the
Great
Lakes,
and
some
of
the
management
scenarios
that
that
are
involved
with
cooperating
with
Metro
Park
districts
so
on.
Maybe
you
haven't,
haven't,
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
these
things
yourself,
but
I
encourage
you
to
go
forward
with
the
resolution
of
support
to
allow
the
mayor
to
be
able
to
find
other
sources
and
co-operators
so
that
this
can
be
successful.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
Robert
Sumner
I
live
at
20
Briarwood
in
Athens,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
the
City
Council
tonight
to
go
ahead
and
exercise
fiscal
restraint
by
rejecting
further
exploration
or
negotiation
regarding
the
transfer
of
ownership
of
stroud
to
run
some
of
the
very
things
that
the
mayor
and
some
other
people
have
already
brought
up,
should
really
be
an
indicative
of
why
we
need
to
accept
this
idea
it.
No.
K
It
wouldn't
be
foolish
just
to
go
ahead
and
reject
tonight
as
far
as
any
further
exploration,
for
the
very
reasons
that
last
week,
in
talking
about
the
upcoming
budget,
we
were
talking
about
moving
the
either
eliminating
some
current
recreation
projects
or
moving
road
maintenance
money
into
recreation.
So
we're
already
jockeying
money
to
to
take
care
of
the
city
Recreation
Department,
which
is
not
making
money.
K
I
understand
that
that
may
not
be
the
case,
and
maybe
the
American
clarify
that
that,
in
fact,
president
McKay
Davis
had
said
that
there
was
the
possibility
that
the
department
heads
could
donate
money
or
contribute
money
from
their
budgets,
but
you
know,
and
if
that
happened,
to
total
$50,000
great
but
again
to
a
know.
You
administrator
who
told
me
that
so
far
there
had
only
been
two
or
three
departments
who
had
taken
them
up
on
that
offer
and
it
fell
far
short
of
$50,000.
K
You
know
that
would
still
leave
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
the
city
of
Athens
would
be
responsible
for
if
it
did
not
find
partners
again
when
we
are
short
on
on
police,
and
we
are
in
need
of
other
things
that
are
more
vital
and
more
central
to
the
needs
of
the
community,
then
you
know
I
think
this
is
kind
of
a
wish
list
kind
of
a
thing.
It's
not
in
something
that
is
necessary
and
when
someone
says
that
council
makes
choices
all
the
time
about
what
they're
going
to
spend
money
on
or
not.
K
You
know
I
agree
with
that.
However,
I
think
your
job
is
also
to
further.
What
do
you
really
need
to
spend
money
on
versus
what
you
would
like
to
spend
money
on
the
city
as
far
as
additional
funds,
in
talking
with
the
city
administrator,
said
that
well
one
of
the
other
things
that
we're
kind
of
doing
is
you
know
accepting
donations?
K
You
know
when
someone
dies
and
they
happen
to
be
astrologer
run
enthusiast.
You
know
we're
hoping
they
donate
money
to
Straus
run
management.
These
are
things
that
you
know.
If
somebody
such
as
myself
came
forward
and
said,
hey,
why
don't
we
take
ownership
of
Straus
run?
You
know,
I.
Don't
think
that
you
would
take
it
terribly
seriously,
because
you
would
know
that
there
are
other
important
financial
considerations
necessary.
K
The
couple
other
points
I
would
just
like
to
make
is
that
in
1998,
the
city
spent
about
19
and
a
half
million
dollars
in
2004.
The
city
spent
about
thirty
three
million
dollars,
actually
over
thirty
three
million
dollars
and
there.
Yet,
with
the
exception
of
East
State
Street,
there
hasn't
been
any
significant
new
revenue
streams
to
to
take
care
of
added
projects
like
Straus
run.
K
Imagine
that
it
took
us
nearly
200
years
to
get
to
19
million
and
in
eighteen
eight
years
we've
come
close
to
doubling
that.
So
these
are
things
that
you
do
have
decisions
to
make,
and
you
do
have
important
decisions
to
make
as
to
what
the
city
of
Athens
really
needs
and,
while
I
agree
with
some
of
the
people
in
the
audience
that
it
would
be
nice
to
have
Straus
run
still
looking
at
other
things,
the
city
is
going
to
need
in
the
near
foreseeable
future.
K
K
The
last
thing
is
that
someone
said
a
city
administrator
had
mentioned
that.
Well,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
Strauss
run
because
it
would
be
a
nice
legacy
for
future
generations.
Here.
I
think
it
would
also
be
a
good
legacy
for
the
City
Council
to
leave
Athens
for
future
generations
to
a
town
that
was
affordable
to
live
in.
Thank
you
very
much.
L
Uriel
cream,
24,
Canterbury
I
think
I
just
sort
of
have
a
question
as
to
what
precisely
your
options
are
tonight:
I'm,
not
clear
and
I'm,
not
sure
whether
you
all
are.
Could
you
turn
down
this
recommendation?
It
sounds
as
though
there
is
a
certain
amount
of
support
for
having
the
mayor
investigate
further
possible
funding
sources,
but
it
sounds
also
as
though
the
way
the
resolution
is
written.
That
isn't
the
way
it's
written
is
not
acceptable
to
doing
that.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
there
could
be
some
clarification
as
to.
B
What
do
you
actually?
What
we're
doing
tonight
is
discussing
that
language?
We
would
not
introduce
this
until
next
Monday,
so
changes
can
be
made
and
some
some
editorial
changes
have
already
been
made,
but
I
I
think
that
council
members
do
understand
that
this
is
authorizing
the
mayor
to
look
at
more
information
regarding
this.
One
piece
of
information
is
funding
sources
investigating
those
more
fully
and
I.
B
We've
amended
the
the
language
about
fully
supporting
we've,
received
a
report
and
and
I
think
we
might
include
something
that
this
resolution
does
not
commit
us
to
to
authorizing
any
expenditure
of
funds.
Rather
it's
seeking
funds
future.
So
this
is
just
a
discussion
about
a
resolution
that
we
would
put
up
a
week
from
tonight
for
reading
and.
C
Really,
to
reiterate
this
I
think
this
is
something
from
my
point
of
view.
We
should
look
at
and
again
I
didn't,
think
we'd
be
the
idea
of
spending
money
on
it
as
a
management
plan
is
not
what
I'm
for
I
want
to
see
a
harder
deal
struck
with
ODNR,
just
not
50,000
for
one
year,
and
this
is
nothing
to
do
with
the
resolution
that
sense
but
I'm.
Looking
and
saying
you
know
if
it's
gonna
cost
us
I
think
the
recommendations
from
the
task
force,
one
hundred
and
thirty
one
hundred
fifty
thousand
a
year.
C
That's
me
is
not
anywhere
near
acceptable
and
I.
Don't
know
what
that
number
would
be
where
I
cross
over
and
say
yes,
I'd
vote
for
the
final
Whoville
of
this,
but
I'd
want
to
make
sure
everything
is
intact.
I
think
Dale
brought
up
the
fact.
What
happens
it
is
if
there's
a
shortfall.
Where
is
he
who
makes
it
up?
I
think
that
was
a
month
ago.
He
brought
that
out,
and
these
are
the
considerations.
I
have
I
mean
I,
look
and
say
we
don't
we
can't
patrol
it
with
police
and
that's
not
the
case.
C
C
That
seems
me
to
be
very
remote,
but
I
don't
know
and
therefore
I,
don't
again,
the
you
know,
I've
done
my
poling
out
at
the
place.
I've
walked
around
in
the
past
couple
weeks,
just
to
check
it
out,
I,
look
at
the
cost
of
what
it
would
take
to
maintain
it
and
keep
it
running
and
right
now
that
I'd
lean
against
it,
but
the
same
time
I
want
to
hear
more
because
the
this
you
know
this
is
the
whole
point
of
an
investigation
of
it
right.
Paul.
B
I
think
most
of
us
on
councilor
in
similar
position
to
you.
We
think
this
sounds
like
a
a
good
idea
that
we
have
serious
questions
about
how
we
can
make
it
work.
I
also
have
heard
from
citizens
who
are
concerned
and
citizens
who
think
it's
a
good
idea,
but
have
questions
and
so
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
thing
to
try
to
get
some
answers
to
those
questions,
and
so
I
drill
them
bring
this
resolution
up
for
a
vote
a
week
from
tonight
and
that
ends.
A
And
it's
time
to
start
our
regular
session
of
F
in
City
Council
water
about
7:30
p.m.
December,
5th,
2005,
City
Council
is
now
in
session
of
a
regular
meeting.
We
do
have
a
quorum
with
6
of
7
members
present
communications,
I
am
and
receipt
of,
probably
about
6
different
items
of
communication
that
has
been
spoken
to
in
the
newspaper
regarding
conflicts
of
interest.
So
I
will
just
acknowledge
to
the
people
that
have
sent
me
the
emails
that
they
are
in
receipt,
that
the
law
director
is
addressing
those
issues
and
I
understand.
A
A
F
N
B
E
B
C
N
A
G
G
Section
three
to
add
another
condition
which
I
believe
would
become
seventeen
which
states
prior
to
commencing
site
development.
Work.
Ncr
will
post
a
performance
bond
in
the
amount
of
$200,000
according
to
the
term
set
forth
by
at
the
city
code,
20
1.0
8.02,
which
spells
out
how
performance
bonds
are
handled.
So
that's
the
motion.
A
G
P
G
G
Whereas
is
already
include,
whereas
it
is
in
the
public
interest
to
protect
existing
public
infrastructure
such
as
water
sewer
and
storm
sewer
lines,
and
whereas
it
sound
planning
practice
to
provide
suitable
access
to
existing
public
facilities
such
as
the
bike
path.
So
I
guess
I
felt
that
the,
whereas
has
already
covered
the
expressed
concern
about
protecting
public
infrastructure.
This
was
just
create
a
mechanism
that,
if
there
were
any
damage,
we'd
have
a
way
to
go
back
and
repair
that.
B
F
G
Did
not
require
a
performance
bond
I'm
assuming
that
that's
why
it's
not
something!
That's
always
done.
It
was
done
in
the
university
estates
when
that
first
came
through.
That
was
in
that
development
agreement
so
but
I
think
that
was
related
again
to
sewer
and
roads
that
we
will
ultimately
be
taking
over
and
maintaining.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
different
than
that.
B
G
C
A
C
A
F
A
G
President
I
moved
to
amend,
Oh,
1
2005
to
add
another
condition
which
would
be
number
18
in
section
3,
which
states
national
church
residences
will
form
a
neighborhood
Advisory
Committee
before
the
development
of
final
plans
to
include
residents
of
the
Near
East
Side
area,
who
are
not
residents
of
the
NCR
Planned
Unit
development.
This
Advisory
Committee
will
be
in
existence
for
as
long
as
national
church
residences
manages.
The
proposed
Retirement
Center
do
I
have
a
second
second.
O
G
Reason
for
this
amendment
is
that
citizens
have
continued
to
approach
me
expressing
concern
that
a
lot
of
the
issues
which
were
discussed
in
the
attempts
at
finding
a
kind
of
a
compromise
have
maybe
not
been
followed
as
strongly
as
they
would
like.
They
see
some
of
the
things
in
here,
but
there's
just
a
concern
that
some
of
the
things
that
citizens
wanted
the
most
require
a
supermajority
to
become
a
part
of
the
ordinance.
G
Put
that
kind
of
detail
in
it,
I
I,
don't
believe
that
there's
been
any
objection
to
the
idea
and
the
developer.
All
along
has
stated
they're
willing
to
continue
working
with
the
neighborhood
I,
see
them
nodding
their
head,
so
I
I'm
sure
that
we
can
work
something
out.
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
that
level
of
detail
in
here.
G
C
G
D
E
A
E
The
other
hand,
it
would
be
a
good
way
to
keep
communication
channels
open
between
the
developer
and
the
neighbors
and
I've
found
in
my
discussions
with
the
developers
that
they
were
open
to
this
sort
of
thing
and
they've
nodded
their
heads.
I
don't
know
what,
but
if
what
I
see
fella
pers
would
always
be
open
to
this
sort
of
thing.
A
G
Question
was
why
these
things
were
incorporated
into
the
ordinance
rather
than
being
worked
out
in
a
more
informal
process,
and
the
reason
that
I
brought
these
forward
as
amendments
is
that
at
first
reading
and
when
the
discussion
occurred
about
the
level
of
agreement
within
council,
that's
needed
for
the
different
conditions
that
have
been
set.
There
was
significant
concern
that
there
may
not
be
a
way
to
enforce
some
of
the
conditions
and
should
guarantee
some
that
things
really
happen.
G
The
way
they've
been
described
there
if
we
don't
have
some
kind
of
bond
in
place
and
the
citizens
felt
like
a
lot
of
their
concerns,
may
not
be
incorporated
in
the
final
vote,
because
the
law
director
has
indicated
it
requires
a
3/4
majority
to
include
some
of
those
compromises
that
are
that
are
listed
in
the
conditions.
So
this
is
just
a
way
to
try
to
address
those
concerns
and
make
sure
that
they're
formally
in
the
process.
Q
Hi
I'm
Rosalyn
Salzburger
I'm,
the
owner
of
both
Hickory
Creek,
Nursing,
Center,
and
also
Arcadia
nursing
Center,
which
is
in
Colville,
but
of
course,
in
Athens
County.
My
late
husband
and
I
have
operated
these
nursing
facilities
in
Athens
County
for
over
25
years.
I
also
have
six
other
facilities
in
Ohio,
and
two
in
Pennsylvania
we've
cared
for
the
elderly
in
Athens
and
have
provided
employment
to
hundreds
of
Athens
County
residents.
Q
Guess
you're
wondering
why
I'm
here
I'm
here,
because
I
have
a
feeling
that
you
haven't
heard
my
proposals
for
a
retirement
community
I
know
that
I've
followed
through
newspaper
articles
with
great
interest.
The
national
churches
proposal
for
a
continuing
care
retirement
community
I
know
that's
what
they
call
it,
but
that's
why
why
I'm
here,
I'm
not
quite
sure,
I
understand
how
they
can
call
that
a
continuing
care
retirement
community
when
they
have
no
nursing
home
beds.
Q
Somehow
it's
a
very
misleading
title:
when
you
say
it's
a
ritzy
crc
and
the
the
national
church
community
cannot
bring
with
it
to
their
retirement
community.
Any
medicare
beds
that
are
certified
or
any
Medicaid
beds
that
are
certified.
I
know
that
it
sounds
a
little
confusing,
but
what
it
really
means
is
that
if
there's
a
resident
and
they
want
to
access
their
benefits
to
Medicare,
they
would
have
to
leave
the
facility
assisted
living,
really
is
what
it
is,
the
retirement
community
and
try
and
find
a
certified
bed
in
another
facility.
Q
Q
I
have
not
found
anything
until
a
couple
of
years
ago,
perhaps
two
years
ago,
something
like
I
met,
someone
from
University
of
States
he's
the
developer
and
we
sat
down.
We
talked
about
the
possibility
of
having
some
of
my
beds
from
Arcadia
and
some
of
my
certified
beds
from
Hickory
Creek
of
Athens
move
to
a
site
at
University
estates.
Q
This
has
not
been
an
easy
process
pulling.
All
of
that
together
has
taken
me
quite
some
time
and
in
so
doing
the
state
of
Ohio
has
also
changed
many
of
the
reimbursement
rules
and
and
laws
right
now,
we've
kind
of
in
a
state
of
you
know
a
flux.
So
what
I've
done
I've
had
I
have
a
letter
of
understanding
with
University
of
States
and
I
am
very
close
to
finalizing
plans
with
a
full
retirement
center.
That
would
have
everything
that
you
could
possibly
think
of.
Q
Q
The
National
Church
proposal
and
what
it
would
be
like
if
we
had
a
Retirement
Center
at
University
of
States
since
I,
don't
want
to
you,
know
sound
too
redundant
here,
but
Medicare
beds
and
Medicaid
beds
in
Athens
County.
There
is
a
finite
number
of
them:
they're
not
available
to
National
Church
Retirement
Center,
no
matter
what
no
matter,
how
it's
done,
one
way
or
the
other,
they
can
never
have
beds
unless
they're
my
beds
or
someone
else
in
Athens
County
has
beds
that
will
give
to
them
or
sell
to
them.
Q
It's
a
it's
a
finite
number,
so,
in
other
words,
if
I
have
a
Medicaid,
let's
say
a
resident
goes
into
an
assisted
living.
They
continued
to
pay
privately
as
a
resident.
They
run
out
of
money.
If
they
were
in
a
National,
Church,
Retirement
Center.
They
would
then
have
to
move
from
that
community
to
another
one
that
would
accept
that
was
certified
and
could
accept
Medicaid
billing.
Q
If
the
same
is
true
if
they
have
Medicare.
In
other
words,
if
you
have
Medicare,
but
you
happen
to
be
in
an
assisted
living
in
there
in
the
proposal
that
you're
looking
at
and
you
ran
out
of
money,
you
would
also
need
to
leave
that
facility
and
come
to
another
facility.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
is
plan
a
a
full
Retirement
Center
on
University
of
States
I
guess.
Q
Another
consideration
is
that
if
I
can
develop,
the
present
plan
that
I
have
for
a
hundred
beds
of
skilled
or
intermediate
beds,
and
at
least
75
beds
of
assisted
living
I
would
expect
there
to
be
the
same
number
of
employees
as
hickory
creek
now
maintains,
which
is
over
200,
with
an
anticipated
annual
payroll
in
excess
of
five
million
dollars.
With
your
present
tax
rate
of
one
point,
six
five,
the
payroll
tax
with
within
your
city
would
would
would
derive
in
extra
eighty
two
thousand
dollars
a
year.
This
does
not
take
into
account
the
construction
benefits.
Q
That
would
also
be
there
since
this
project
or
my
project
is
not
Church
related
and
is
a
and
it's
nonprofit
property
taxes
to
the
county.
What
I'm,
basically
saying
is
that
we're
moving
beds
from
Arcadia,
which
is
outside
Athens,
the
city
into
the
city,
and
therefore
that
would
be
your
extra
revenue.
Q
If
my
project
is
allowed
to
go
forward,
we
will
be
moving
certified
beds
from
Hickory,
K
and
Arcadia,
which
would
then
allow
me
to
create
more
private
rooms,
hopefully
I'm,
expecting
about
sixty
five
extra
private
rooms
with
in
doing
that,
we
would
also
be
able
to
develop
special
specialized
dementia
care
and
pain
control
units
that
dr.
Carlson
and
dr.
marks
are
very
interested
in
developing
with
me
having
private
rooms
at
the
lace.
Last
Sage's
of
life
for
the
elderly
of
Athens
County
would
be
a
great
improvement
to
a
health
care.
A
F
Q
Terms
of
conflict
of
interest
that
my
representative,
who
is
uncounseled
I,
would
not
expect
my
representative
to
vote
on
this
issue,
and
since
this
concerns
the
Ohio
University
I
would
not
expect
an
employee
or
a
student
who
works
for
the
university
or
is
at
the
university.
I
would
say
that
has
that
person
has
a
conflict
of
interest
in
should
not
be
allowed
to
vote
either.
Thank
you.
Thank.
S
S
In
fact,
we've
talked
about
never
wanting
any
more
than
maybe
about
15
to
take
care
of
the
residents
that
would
reside
in
that
location
would
mention.
As
we
talked
in
previous
council
meetings,
we
are
talking
about
memory
care
unit
in
this
project
which
we
are
or
Alzheimer's
care,
assisted,
living
and
independent.
So
it
is
a
three
levels
of
care.
We
talked
about
the
availability
of
private
rooms
and
the
other
project.
Everything
in
this
project
is
at
least
a
one-bedroom
unit.
S
They
are
not
no
single
studio
type
rooms,
much
more
of
an
apartment,
independent
living
type
complex
in
the
issue
with
Medicare
benefits.
We
we
currently
find
in
national
church
that
we
have
around
200
assisted
living
units
currently
in
place,
and
traditionally
two
or
three
residents
a
year
need
to
go
to
a
nursing
facility
to
take
advantage
of
that.
Maybe
35
days
of
rehabilitative
State
that
they
would
have
their
room
rate
paid
for.
S
We
currently
have
35
residents
in
those
four
facilities
that
are
able
to
tap
into
a
Part
A
&
A
Part
B
Medicare
benefit
through
home
health.
So
it
is
true
that
we
would
not
have
any
availability
of
Medicare
coverage
in
patients
for
those
residents,
but
residents
do
regularly
in
our
facilities
and
all
across
the
country
are
tapping
into
home
health
care
benefits
for
rehabilitative
care
in
those
properties.
S
S
We've
talked
about
the
possibility,
it
would
be
desirable
to
be
able
to
add
some
of
those
beds
down
the
line
if
they
would
ever
become
available
mainly
for
the
inpatient
Medicare
say
we
would
not
anticipate
any
residence
in
this
building
needing
to
tap
into
the
Medicaid
benefit
while
they
were
in
our
building,
because
it's
an
independent,
more
of
an
active
retirement
complex.
So
thank
you.
A
T
My
name
is
Mark
Lehmann
I
live
at
84,
South
Bay
on
the
east
side
have
a
couple
things
to
say:
real
quick
first
one
is
about
was
touched
on
specifically
whether
Dale
Tam
key
should
be
refused
or
able
to
vote
on
this
issue.
You
know
in
a
university
environment
you
have
tenured
faculty
and
the
idea
of
tenure
is
that
they
have
some
kind
of
protection
to
speak
their
mind,
to
act
somewhat
independently
from
the
University.
T
Then
you
have
hourly
employees
who
have
a
have
a
union
to
have
some
kind
of
protection
to
speak,
their
mind
to
be
independent,
and
you
have
students
who
have
started
social
movements,
University
and
government
protesters,
dissenters
of
historical
worth
right,
but
a
high
level
administrator
from
a
university,
as
rarely
if
ever
bucked
a
university
policy
public
policy
that
I
know
of
it's
a
conflict
of
their
own
interest.
We've
got
a
university
administrator
who's
acting
in
local
government
on
as
to
whether
or
not
the
university
administration
should
get
concessions
from
local
government.
T
T
But
then
I
tried
to
step
back
because
I've
lived
on
the
east
side
for
14
years
in
total
and
I
have
have
had
a
lot
of
seniors
for
neighbors
and
I,
try
to
step
back
and
think
now
what
what's
the?
What's?
What
why
am
I
against
this?
Because
I'm
thinking
you
know
I
would
love
to
have
my
family
be
around
seniors
and
I
have
enjoyed
it
in
the
past,
so
is
it?
T
Is
it
just
a
not
in
my
backyard
thing
from
me
that
I
don't
want
this
to
happen
because
I
play
there
with
my
kids
and
walk
my
dog?
Is
it
should
I
rethink
my
position
so
with
soul-searching
and
mine
rattling,
I
think
the
problem
with
this
this
this
thing
this
development
or
this
proposal
from
day
one
has
been
that
it's
been
a
top-down.
The
university
decided
this
would
be
in
the
interest
of
the
university,
and
so
let's
get
a
some
people
together
and
put
this
thing
together
and
it's
sprung
on
the
community.
T
This
is
what's
going
to
happen
and
you
know
it's
the
different
kind
of
divisive
leadership
that
I
saw
from
the
University
when
I
moved
back
here
in
2002,
and
there
was
this
big
community
university
shrift
which
there
hadn't
been
before
when
I
moved
away
from
here
in
1994
to
my
knowledge
and
as
I
thought
about,
it
is
kind
of
well.
What
could
what
could
be
different,
because
you
know
most
families
on
the
east
side,
don't
see
the
elderly
or
seniors
as
an
kind
of
a
threat.
It's
a
that'd
be
a
good
thing
to
be
together.
T
That's
very
compatible.
Most
people
are
worried
about
students
about
saturating
that
thing,
with
a
lot
of
residences,
multiple
in
houses
with
noise
right.
So
what
why
can't?
We
just
send
this
thing
back
and
start
from
the
beginning,
with
families,
with
students
with
seniors
with
the
university
and
try
to
build
some
community
to
me.
That's
what
local
government
is
about,
it's
not
about
taking
a
piece
of
state
land
and
making
a
top-down
kind
of
imposed,
bully
the
even
proposal
that
serves
a
very
thin
margin
of
the
population.
T
Let's
do
it
together,
so
we
everybody
feels
like
they
get
a
piece.
Everybody
compromises
instead
of
what
we
have
now,
where
you
spring
this
proposal,
and
now
we've
got
families
against
seniors
and
to
me
that
is
despicable.
That's
poor
leadership,
it's
bad
local
government!
Let's
get
this
diverse
community
of
students!
T
Oh
you,
abolition,
poor
working
together
on
these
kind
of
projects
from
the
very
beginning
and
I
think
we
can
do
it.
I
think
doctormick
Davis
and
this
administration
are
much
more
concerned
about
community
in
general
kind
of
concerns
and
I
think
that
we
can.
We
could
work
on
this
thing
much
like,
instead
of
post
hoc
later
on,
to
come
up
with
a
more
fair,
equitable
piece
of
development
that
serves
multiple
stakeholders
in
the
community.
T
What
we
feel
like
now
is
what
we're
gonna
get
is
if
it
goes
through,
you've
got
the
like:
you've
got
atomized
isolated
groups,
here's
where
the
seniors
are:
here's
the
angry
families
and
here's
the
encroaching
students,
and
it's
it's
just
more
of
a
nightmare
for
Athens
instead
of
trying
to
build
community.
So
that's
what
I've
been
wanting
to
say
since
the
beginning
thanks
listener.
Thank.
U
A
Been
read
for
the
first
time
tonight.
Well,
when
something
is
amended,
then
that
takes
it
back
to
first
reading
and
it
has
been
read
for
the
first
time
tonight.
There
will
need
to
be
two
further
readings.
Now
that
doesn't
a
councilmember
could
choose
to
do
that
at
a
special
session
or
if
it
is
allowed
to
go
through
its
regular
every
other
week,
council
meeting
or
the
first
and
third
of
the
month,
I,
don't
believe
we
have
a
fifth
Monday
in
this
month.
A
F
A
U
M
U
Okay,
then,
my
next
question,
if
I
may
or
comment,
would
involve
the
earlier
presentation
from
Hickory,
Creek
and
Arcadia
as
as
a
CCRC
member.
We
were
approached
by
University
estates
many
many
months
ago
to
take
a
look
at
considering
putting
the
the
development
up
there.
One
of
the
concerns
at
that
time
with
our
committee
was
the
cost
of
the
land
and
the
cost
of
the
development
and
many
times
during
these
counseling
means.
U
People
have
made
mention
that
this
see
that
the
NCR
project
would
be
for
the
very
wealthy
and
just
for
the
few
people
who
could
afford
to
live
there.
We
were
afraid
by
going
that
route
in
addition
to
being
a
much
more
remote
site
and
that
the
seniors
would
be
isolated,
that
it
would
indeed
add
cost
to
the
projects.
U
The
probably
four
previous
attempts
to
bring
this
community
a
type
of
community
to
Athens
failed
because
of
cost,
so
when
we
had
land
cost
that
were
eliminated,
that
made
the
project
much
more
affordable
for
the
developers
and
therefore
for
the
people
living
in
the
projects
and
I.
Think
if
you
could
let
margaret
address.
I
know
that
she
would
like
to
address
the
comment
about
this
being
a
top-down
in
a
university
project.
U
A
V
M
Margaret,
it
would
still
require
the
four
votes
to
pass
the
ordinance.
These
two
amendments,
I,
would
rule
than
always
shouldn't
formal
statement
on
that
later,
but
are
not
within
the
purview
of
what
the
Planning
Commission
considers.
Are
there
going
to
require
the
supermajority
to
stay
with
the
ordinance
if
it's
adopted
so
they're
in
that
same
category
with
those
others
that
take
five
to
stay
with
the
ordinance
on
its
adoption,
but
it
only
takes
four
ordinances
to
adopt
the
important
mode
struck.
I'll
see
you
later
thank.
V
You
I
did
want
to
straighten
out
this
thing
of
top-down.
Just
let
me
give
a
little
history
again.
A
lot
of
you've
heard
this
so
many
times
we
are
probably
the
fifth
or
sixth
effort
of
acid
citizens.
I
was
on
a
committee
in
the
70s,
which
is
a
long
time
ago,
to
do
the
same
type
of
thing
for
our
people,
so
that
we
didn't
lose
so
many
of
our
senior
population
that
really
care
about
essence
and
have
been
active
in
Athens.
V
At
that
you
know
each
one
had
reasons
for
failing
when
I
retired
some
of
us
got
together
and
we
thought
let's
try
once
more.
Maybe
if,
if
it's
just
a
community
project-
and
it
doesn't
get
involved
in
another
Church
or
a
university
or
anything,
maybe
we
can
do
it
because
we're
citizens
and
we
care
about
this
town.
We
started
it
out
and
believe
me,
it
has
been
four
years
in
March
that
I
started.
V
We
started
looking
at
land,
I've
got
I've
got
so
many
land,
drawings
and
people
we
contacted
about
their
land
and
blueprints
and
all
these
things
and
we
contacted
all
the
providers
like
national
church
residents,
as
some
of
them
would
not
even
come
to
Athens
again.
They
have
been
so
discouraged
in
the
past
with
their
experiences
here
and
we
worked
very
very
hard.
We
had
a
great
committee,
we
did
put
a
couple
of
people
on
from
the
University
and
finally,
dr.
Glidden
and
the
trustees
offered
us
a
piece
of
land.
V
It
wasn't
until
January
two
years
ago
that
that
piece
was
offered
to
us
and
that
we
actually
read
some
kind
of
arrangement
on
that
and
we
were
absolutely
elated
because,
just
as
sandy
said,
it
would
broaden
the
diversity
that
we
would
be
able
to
put
into
this
community.
So
it
would
be
more
like
Athens.
One
reason
we
all
love
Athens,
so
is
it
isn't
like
a
suburb
or
a
country
town
just
somewhere?
It's
got
all
these
different
populations
and
interests
and
people
we
are
so
fortunate.
So
anyway,
it
allows
a
broader
population.
V
The
students
said-
and
you
talk
about
young
stirs-
to
support
us.
The
Student
Senate
actually
has
passed
things
in
support
of
us.
The
student
population
is
for
us.
We
have
a
list
of
660
people
on
our
mailing
list
who
all
want
that
are
supportive.
I've
only
had
one
person
ever
withdraw
from
that
list
and
they're
moving
away.
V
V
He's
worked
very
hard
doing.
Computer
work
for
us,
so
we've
got
just
a
lot
of
broad
support.
It
is
not
a
university
based
thing,
but
I
will
say
that
we
couldn't
offer
it
to
as
diverse
a
population
if
we
didn't
have
a
piece
of
University
landing
and
we're
extremely
grateful
for
it.
I
think
the
reason
we
got
it
was
for
several
reasons.
I
think
the
university
is
concerned
about
their
Ameri
tie
that
so
many
of
them
leave
here.
It's
also
been
proven.
V
Their
allegiance
goes
to
other
things
and
like
if
I
move
to
Columbus
or
Cleveland
I
get
interested
in
the
things
there
and
I
don't
give
back
to
my
university
here
or
actually
any
of
the
other
things
that
go
on
here,
that
we
all
contribute
to
and
I
think
the
university
was
I
saw
that
it's
working
in
other
places
to
keep
that
loyalty
and
that
allegiance
among
some
of
their
senior
a
merit,
I
and
loyal
alumni
and
interested
citizens.
I
mean
we're
very
grateful
to
have
the
advantages
of
the
University
here.
V
So
I
just
want
to
get
across
that.
It
is
very
definitely
a
community
effort
and
it's
backed
by
community
people
of
all
ages
and
I'm.
Sorry
that
there
are
those
that
are
so
concerned
about
that
gruesome
land.
They
weren't
good
certain
when
the
apartments
were
built.
They
weren't
concerned
with
all
the,
but
you
know
other
stuff
went
up
on
this
floodplain
and
for
some
reason
we
seem
to
be
a
threat.
I
promise
you
we'll
be
good
neighbors.
V
W
Mean
my
name
is
John
gudykunst
I'm
at
104,
maple,
wood,
I
own
a
business,
and
my
house
is
both
in
that
floodplain
I'm
still
actually
back
to
square
one
when
the
Planning
Commission
was
was
going
through.
The
motions
and
I
followed
this
for
a
long
time,
not
getting
embroiled
in
it,
and
everything
like
that.
But
I
still
can
go
on
the
FEMA
website
at
that
flood,
smart
dot-com
and
the
propensity
for
flooding.
My
house
and
my
business
is
high.
That's
the
reason:
I
pay,
flood
insurance
I'm.
W
Still
there
I
think
everyone
else
has
kind
of
moved
off
to
these
other
things.
But
though,
the
during
those
Planning
Commission
meetings
of
dr.
Phil,
Philip,
Cantino,
I,
guess
asked
the
mayor.
If
we
were,
they
would
in
fact
take
Medicaid
or
Medicare
patients.
Also,
this
is
a
big
Stickley.
Mr.
sands
I
called
you
and
you
said
that
they
would
also
now
we're
finding
out
that
they
were
there
not
or
they
may
be
able
to
jump
through
some
hoops
and
maybe
stay
there.
A
couple
more
weeks
and
I
mean
those
kind
of
people.
W
W
Put
it
perfectly
since
the
last
meeting
four
meetings
ago
here
in
the
council
chambers
I
thought
up
the
fact
that
no
one's
ever
contacted
us
since
then
they
still
haven't
contacted
us
there's
about
two
hundred
houses,
Samad
houses
in
this
neighborhood
that
they
could
have
dropped
something
in
our
mailbox
and
said:
hey,
let's
have
a
meeting.
Let's
talk
and
and
pretty
much
placated
me
about
anything.
They
wanted
to
do.
But
I
do
think,
like
mr.
W
layman,
that
it's
it's
been
almost
pushing
upon
us
and
I
hate
I
hate
coming
up
here,
because
I
have
a
business.
I
I
tried
to
bring
things
into
the
as
much
in
the
community
as
possible,
but
I
need
the
business
from
the
community
itself
and
I
don't
want
to
make
anyone
mad.
But
this
is,
is
it's
kind
of
it's
gotten
to
be
a
real
gnarly
situation?
Now
it's
not
called
CCRC
and
have
another
facility
here,
which
is
even
better.
So
those
are
those
all
concern
me
I
wouldn't
talk
too
long.
X
Thank
you,
I'm
Bruce,
Steiner
and
I
live
at
14,
North,
Main,
Avenue
and
I
was
interested
in
mr.
Lehman's
last,
because
my
first
Athens
address
for
the
odd
years
ago
was
at
84
South
may
Avenue,
where
I
lived
in
six
years
until
my
marriage
I'd
like
to
speak
first
to
the
matter
of
conflict
of
interest.
X
I
read
in
the
Athens
news
today,
a
finely
calibrated
I
really
thought
to
finely
calibrated
discussion,
of
which
university
employees
might
properly
vote
and,
of
course,
which
were
beyond
of
the
pale
with
some
discussion
of
tenure
and
how
tenured
folks
are
naturally
independent.
Well
I
was
one
of
the
founders
of
the
Ohio
University
Faculty
Senate
and
I
followed
its
progress
over
the
years
and
I've
been
at
many
a
Faculty
Senate
meeting,
where
tenured
full
professors
become
globs
of
jelly.
X
In
the
face
of
remarks
by
a
president
or
Provost
standing
there
I
don't
think
it's
a
question
of
tenure
or
non
tenure.
The
fact
is
that
this
is
a
company
town.
It
is
a
one
industry
town
and
if
we're
going
to
begin
eliminating
from
positions
of
local
government
people
with
any
kind
of
university
tire
who
might
conceivably
be
influenced
by
Kutner,
all
we
would
have
to
eliminate
a
huge
proportion
of
our
interested
public
spirited
citizens.
X
Secondly,
although
we've
heard
again
tonight
the
willingness
to
bring
various
groups
together
and
to
have
seniors
among
younger
people
I
very
much
doubt
that
any
such
proposed
plan
would
include
a
facility
for
seniors
on
this
particular
site
I'm,
one
of
many
seniors
who
enjoys
living
in
Athens,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
young
people
in
Athens.
There's
a
vibrancy
about
the
place.
And
yet
I
really
do
have
questions.
X
I
realize
that
wringing
its
hands
as
it
does
and
making
a
bow
in
the
direction
of
the
largest
single
segment
of
our
population
that
the
city
government
annually
spends.
What
was
it
sixty
three
thousand
dollars
this
year
to
clean
up
after
the
Halloween
mess,
because
you
are
younger
population-
has
to
have
its
particular
fun.
Okay,
what
I'm,
asking
and
really
all
that
I'm
asking
when
we
see
city
expenditure
on
the
rec
center
for
the
physically
fit
a
city
expenditure
on
clean
up
for
the
students
is
some
solid,
concrete
recognition
such
as
this
project.
X
That
shows
that
Athens
is
a
community
that
embraces
people
of
all
ages,
actually
does
so,
instead
of
and
sometimes
it's
not
very
subtle.
The
suggestion
that
well,
the
good
land
of
the
flat
land,
the
center
part
of
the
city,
the
part
that
is
near
most
of
the
facilities
that
many
of
us
still
use
and
would
like
to
continue
to
use
like
the
Athens
Public
Library.
X
X
A
Y
Too
many
issues,
I
would
first
of
all
like
to
say
yet.
I
really
appreciated
the
comments
before
of
the
fellow
who
I
don't
remember
the
person,
his
name,
who
said
that
felt
like
this
was
coming
from
the
top
down.
I
sure
that,
yes,
a
group
of
people
have
been
trying
to
create
a
retirement
community
for
a
long
time
in
Athens.
Y
This
particular
situation,
I
do
believe,
is
a
top-down
job
and
I
feel
I
feel
that
way,
and
it's
I
don't
think
it
should,
because
subjective
I
think
there's
a
reality
to
it
that
work
for
the
University.
Also
so
maybe
I
shouldn't
be
speaking,
but
I
feel
like
the
university
is
very
heavy-handed
in
many
many
times
and
makes
decisions
and
makes
decisions,
rational
decisions,
the
Athens
news
today
it
was
said
that
the
university
didn't
stand
to
gain
much
financially
from
this
dis
operation.
Y
I
thank
Margaret
topping
for
clearing
that
up.
They
stand
to
gain
quite
a
bit
from
this
they're.
Looking
for
contributions
from
those
people
who
stay
in
town.
There's
no
question
about
that
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
there
they
would
not
give
away
a
piece
of
land
without
expecting
something
in
return.
That's
that's
ludicrous
to
believe
so.
I
think.
That's
that's
clear!
The
university
wants
a
way
to
to
use
that
land
to
gain
revenue
and
that's
one
way
they
can
do
it.
Y
I'm
gonna
go
back
now
because,
when
I
first
came
to
ten
years
ago
to
Athens
to
teach
I
drove
down
through
the
Hocking,
Hills
and
I
thought
what
a
beautiful
beautiful
landscape
I'm
entering
into
I
came
to
the
Hocking
River
going
through
Athens
after
it
had
been
re-engineered
by
the
Army,
Corps
and
I
was
appalled.
I
saw
this
drainage
ditch
running
through
the
town
cutting
across
the
campus
I'm,
still
appalled
by
it.
Y
The
fact
that
we
think
has
human
beings
that
we
can
control
nature
is
some
day
some
floods,
not
gonna,
come
along
and
take
out
the
hospital
psychiatric
hospital.
All
the
University
facilities
on
that
piece
of
land
is
fantasy.
Some
day.
That's
going
to
happen
and
when
it
happens,
the
roads
are
going
to
be
cut
off.
There'll
be
no
place
for
people
to
evacuate
it
to
and
I
think
yes,
we're,
saying
one
more
facility
one
this
is
this.
Is
this
is
a
symbol
right
here
we
stop
here.
Y
It
happens
everywhere.
We
see
it,
we've
seen
it
across
this
country
across
the
world,
but
people
continue
to
believe
somehow
that
we
can
control
nature.
We
can't
we
live
on
a
river.
That
river
is
going
to
overflow,
its
banks.
It's
going
to
flood
the
first
floor
of
all
those
facilities
is
going
to
shut
down
the
hospital
psychiatric
hospital,
etcetera,
don't
be
no
place
to
evacuate
to
yes,
you
can
put
an
evacuation
plan
to
get
out
of
the
retirement
community.
Where
do
you
go
from
there?
Y
You
don't
the
plans
that
have
been
the
information
we
be
getting
on.
Flooding
is
incomplete
because
it
can't
be
complete
because
we
can't
know,
but
we
can
predict
three
clearly
from
looking
around
us
from
anywhere
from
the
recent
hurricanes
and
the
Gulf
Coast,
the
Mississippi
River
to
Athens
County.
When
we've
had
floods,
we
can't
predict
exactly
when
or
where,
but
sooner
or
later
is
gonna
get
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
flood
it.
In
the
meantime,
minor
floods
are
going
to
spread
water
into
Duke.
Y
New
areas
can't
help,
but
every
time
we
add
another
thing
well,
they'll
add
one
more
to
only
have
another
inch
another
one,
another
inch,
that's
what
we're
doing
we're
a
nickel
and
diming
ourselves
into
flooding
out
people's
neighborhoods
we've
got
to
draw
the
line.
I
am
sympathetic
to
the
elderly
I'm.
Getting
there
myself
in
a
few
years,
I'll
be
looking
for
a
place
to
live,
probably
I.
Just
not
too
long
ago.
I
went
through
with
my
parents
separately.
One
more
issue:
I
would
like
to
brought
tension
to.
Once
again
it
came
up
several
times
tonight.
Y
They
make
it
very
clear
when
you
you've,
you've
been
through
this
with
your
parents,
but
I
have,
if
you
leave
a
retirement,
assisted
living
situation
or
a
private
situation,
your
own
home
and
apartment
assisted
living.
Wherever
you
end
up
the
last
place,
you
live
independently.
If
you're
out
of
money,
you
try
to
get
into
a
nursing
home,
that's
worth
a
damn.
They're,
not
gonna.
Take
you
because
you
don't
have
money
up
front
because
they
can't
afford
to
they
use
that
money
that
you
bring
it.
Often
you
have
to
make
it.
Y
You
have
to
show
money
up
front
a
year
or
two
years
in
advance
before
you
can
get
into
it,
then
after
you're,
in
there,
for
a
year
two
years,
yes
you'd
go
on
Medicaid,
then
they
can
afford
to
keep
you
on
Medicaid.
If
it's
a
good
one,
that's
allows
you.
When
you
take
anybody,
they
can
get
and
you've
got
the
nursing
care
that
you
get
end
of
month.
Y
So
people
live,
leaving
this
retired
this
kind
of
a
fist,
if
you're
in
a
long-term
facility
where
you
can
go
from
independent
to
nursing
care
you're
in
in
the
kind
of
plan
for
University
of
States
I,
applaud,
I.
Think
it's
a
wonderful
idea,
I'd
like
to
see
it
that
kind
of
a
thing
number
of
places
in
town.
If
we
could
do
it
and
we
can
actually,
there
is
an
alternative
to
what
people
have
been
talking
about
a
community-based
alternative
and
it's
going
on
right
now.
Y
People
in
this
community
are
working
with
the
elderly
to
try
to
stay
in
their
homes
to
try
to
create
environments
in
their
homes
that
are
safe.
People
don't
go
into
nursing
homes
because
they're
sick.
It's
because
they
can't
get
up
the
stairs
my
mother
finally
went
in
because
she
couldn't
get
up
the
stairs
any
longer.
She
had
to
go
to
some
place
where
she
could
and
get
some
help
on
a
regular.
You
know
get
bathed
once
once
a
day
or
something
like
that.
You
don't
need
to
build
a
facility.
Z
Hi
I'm,
Paige,
Ellis
and
I
live
at
24,
Cable,
Lane
and
I've
had
the
great
pleasure
to
work
with
Margaret
topping
and
several
the
other
people
on
the
committee
over
the
course
of
the
last
three
years
as
they've
undertaken.
This
whole
journey
on
trying
to
determine
what
the
best
options
were
for
us
and
I
can't
tell
you
what
a
great
experience
it's
been
getting
to
know
them
and
have
that
time
with
them.
Z
I
speak
to
you
from
two
different
points
of
view:
one
as
a
resident
of
Athens
and
another
as
a
former
employee
at
a
continuing
care
retirement
community,
actually
at
several
different
communities
across
the
country
and
I.
Think
at
this
point,
I
go
back
to
education
and
we
really
need
to
have
all
the
facts
about
what
this
kind
of
community
not
only
brings
to
its
residents,
but
what
it
brings
to
Athens
and
in
particular
the
East
Side
neighborhood.
Forty
years
ago,
one
of
the
first
continuing
care
retirement
communities
in
the
country
went
up.
Z
It
was
a
nine
story,
concrete
building
on
about
five
acres
in
the
middle
of
a
little
town.
That's
almost
identical
to
Athens
its
Dunedin
Florida
and
Dunedin
Florida
40
years
later
looks
at
Mesa
Manor
at
their
retirement
community
as
one
of
the
great
things
about
their
community,
it's
surrounded
by
a
hundred-year-old
neighborhood
that
probably
has
some
of
the
most
sought-after
properties
in
that
particular
part
of
Florida.
In
fact,
in
the
three
years
that
I
lived
there,
we
tried
numerous
times
to
move
into
that
area.
Z
It
was
very
well
sought,
after
because
of
the
integration
of
the
local
community
into
nice,
Manor
into
the
retirement
community.
My
son
had
his
preschool
graduation
there
and
living
so
far
away
from
family
members.
I
can't
tell
you
what
it
meant
to
me
to
have
a
hundred
grandmas
and
grandpas,
as
he
called
them
standing
there,
cheering
him
on
when
he
graduated
from
preschool
and
I
come
to
you
with
selfish
intentions.
I
have
an
18
month
old
and
I'm,
assuming
she's
going
to
have
her
pre-school
graduation
at
some
point.
Z
I
still
live
far
away
from
family
and
I'm,
looking
forward
to
the
grandmas
and
grandpas
being
there
I
think,
there's
also
some
clarification
that
needs
to
be
had
with
regard
to
the
difference
between
Medicare
and
Medicaid
and
how
it
factors
into
the
into
the
retirement
process
and
indepen
living
in
assisted
living.
The
goal
of
a
community
like
this
is
to
allow
people
to
give
up
all
of
the
heartaches
and
responsibilities
that
come
with
home
ownership,
allow
them
to
be
around
people
who
are
similar
in
age
similar
in
interest.
Z
They
have
shared
things,
things
that
are
in
common,
but
they
also
have
a
willingness
to
contribute
to
the
community
and,
of
course,
the
number
one
goal
is
to
allow
them
to
be
as
independent
as
possible
for
as
long
as
possible.
This
is
where
assisted
living
comes
in
and
assisted
living
compared
to
nursing
service
is
a
relatively
new
concept.
Of
course
we
know
you
know
by
our
standards
it's
10
or
15
years
old.
Z
However,
the
goal
of
assisted
living
is
to
allow
resident
to
remain
as
independent
as
possible
with
many
of
those
services
coming
into
their
private
residence
or
their
private
apartment
or
cottage
or
whatever
they
live
in
Medicare
and
Medicaid
do
not
cover
assisted
living,
they
have
never
covered
assisted
living.
They
cover
the
home
health
services
that
can
be
associated
with
that.
If
a
resident
has
a
stay
in
hospital
and
they
return
to
their
assisted
living
home,
they
can
receive
home
health
care
services,
just
as
they
would
in
their
private
home.
That's
how
that
works.
Z
Most
importantly,
what
you
need
to
understand
is
the
not-for-profit
nature
of
this
community.
This
was
one
of
the
things
I
was
so
pleased
at
when
I
first
met
this
community.
This
this
committee,
that
is
putting
this
together,
was
their
commitment
to
the
not-for-profit
concept.
This
is
the
concept
that
so
many
great
things
in
Athens
are
built
upon.
It's
that
spirit
of
we're
going
to
do
this
without
the
intention
of
someone
making
a
bottom
dollar
on
this,
and
it's
the
big
difference
between
this
development
and
the
University
of
state's
development,
and
it's
that
bottom
line.
Z
Commitment
to
the
resident
I
encourage
you
to
do
some
homework,
get
online
and
look
at
these
communities.
I
promise
you
this
opportunity,
if
you
put
it
out
there
to
lots
of
other
towns
similar
to
this
one,
they
would
not
have
a
hesitation
to
take
a
project
like
this.
It
means
a
lot
to
the
community.
Z
It's
going
to
mean
a
lot
to
the
Eastside
neighborhood
I'm,
looking
forward
to
my
son
spending
time
at
a
community
like
this
I'm
riding
his
bike
around
and
handing
out
mints
at
dinnertime
I'm,
looking
forward
to
him
being
a
high
school
student
and
working
in
the
dining
room
and
getting
to
know
the
grandmas
and
grandmas
and,
of
course
my
18
month-old
provided
she
is
well
behaved
for
the
next
four
years.
Her
preschool
graduation.
Please
do
your
homework!
Z
AA
Hi,
my
name
is
Patrick
Higgins
I'm
with
national
church
residences
and,
while
I
do
agree
and
appreciate
with
the
remark
that
was
made
about
being
unable
to
protect
nature
to
the
safe,
to
the
extent
that
things
can
be
safeguarded.
I
would
draw
your
attention
to
the
flood
modeling
that
we
recently
prepared
and
submitted
in
support
of
this
project,
but
I'd
also
like
to
address
the
fact
that
this
project
would
not
cater
to
would
only
cater
to
the
rich
National.
Church
residences
is
the
nation's
largest
not-for-profit
developer
of
affordable
senior
housing.
AA
We
have
over
260
facilities
in
27
States
in
Puerto
Rico.
The
majority
of
those
are
for
lower
income
seniors,
while
this
is
not
NCR
does
have
several
benevolent
foundations,
and
one
of
NCR's
main
tenants
is
that
a
resident
has
never
been
asked.
Nor
will
arrest
and
ever
be
asked
to
leave
a
facility
for
lack
of
the
building
to
pay
and
I'd
like
to
leave
you
with,
as
as
far
as
getting
out
being
able
to
evacuate
residents
in
the
in
the
event
of
a
disaster.
AA
I
would
just
like
to
again
draw
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
we
are
required.
All
our
facilities
across
the
country
have
an
emergency
evacuation
plan
and
we
are
required
to
run
those
local
and
disaster.
Those
evacuation
plans
past
local
preparedness
agencies,
whatever
they
may
be
in
the
area.
Thank
you
very
much.
AB
My
name
is
Margaret
Manoogian
and
I
come
with
a
few
biases,
so
I
just
have
to
address
those
real
quickly
when
I
live
at
14
Sunnyside,
so
I'm,
a
East
near-east
resident
I
am
a
gerontologist,
so
I
teach
families
and
aging
classes.
My
students
next
term
will
put
in
over
1200
hours
of
service
to
seniors
in
this
community.
In
a
course
of
10
weeks,
I
also
was
trained
as
an
undergraduate
and
environmental
studies
and
can
I
don't
know
if
I
still
could
but
was
able
to
prepare
environmental
impact
statements.
AB
So
I
come
with
a
couple
of
diverse
interests
and
concerns.
I
also
have
two
children
in
the
community
and
I
said
this
before
this
project
breaks
my
heart
because
the
previous
speaker,
mr.
Steiner,
is
very
accurate
in
talking
about
overall,
the
biases
and
the
ways
that
seniors
the
elderly
are
treated
in
communities.
I'm,
not
convinced,
though,
that
this
project
is
anti
senior
and
the
reason
I
feel
that
way
predominantly
is
that
there
have
just
been
too
many
issues
raised
on
this
project.
AB
That
concerned
me
representing
seniors,
representing
the
neighborhood
representing
the
environment,
representing
the
university
and
representing
development
issues.
If
this
senior
facility
were
established
as
an
assisted
living
facility,
I
would
certainly
embrace
it,
but
I
am
in
terms
of
my
students
participating
there.
I
would
visit.
My
children
would
visit
it.
We,
my
children,
volunteer
with
seniors,
however,
I
feel
that
Athens
and
I've
been
a
resident
for
about
five
years,
so
I'm
still
fairly
new
is
a
gym.
AB
I
really
do
and
I
think
we
have
a
commitment
to
look
at
these
issues
from
a
comprehensive
level
at
from
every
angle.
I
think
that
we
owe
it
to
this
community
to
represent
the
needs
of
not
just
one
group
but
all
groups
and
to
represent
the
needs
of
not
just
the
people
but
the
environment
and
to
represent
the
needs
of
people
who
are
pro
development
and
those
that
are
anti
development.
AB
I
really
would
like
this
group
to
think
about
that
comprehensive
plan
and
to
think
about
how
we
can
intentionally
create
a
community
that
embraces
seniors
and
embraces
the
youth
embraces
the
students
embraces
the
middle-aged
single
parents
in
the
community
in
a
way
that
is
a
win-win
situation.
What
I'm
concerned
about
now
is
that
any
way
you
look
at
it,
we've
got
people
who
are
going
to
be
on
the
outs.
I,
don't
think
that
has
to
be
the
solution,
but
I
would
really
caution.
Everybody
I
feel
like
there's
lots
of
information
out
there.
AB
AB
AC
AB
AC
Of
States
is
an
incredibly
important
one.
We
just
had
a
dialogue
about
Stroud's,
run
and
funding
for
that
now.
Here
we
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
the
services
that
are
requested
within
a
safe
environment
and
also
generate
funding
and
I'd,
really
like
you
to
consider
that
I
have
some
documents.
I
went
to
a
conference
this
year
with
the
trust
for
public
lands
and
there's
been
lots
of
literature
researched
about
the
importance
of
green
space
and
public
lands
for
communities.
AC
And
just
in
summary,
also
in
2004
there
were
220
measures
on
various
ballots
to
secure
land
and
funding
across
the
United
States
75%
of
these
passed.
You
know
this
is
this
is
vision
it's
looking
to
the
future
and,
yes,
we
have
social
and
cultural
needs
in
our
community,
but
we
also
have
environmental
ones
and
once
that's
taken
away
once
that's
affected,
we
don't
have
those
opportunities,
so
it's
essential.
Like
mr.
Manoogian
said,
we
look
at
the
comprehensive
plan
we
plan
for
our
future.
AC
R
Elain
gets
and
I
live
at
106
Maplewood
Drive
in
the
near
East
site
and
I'd
like
to
discuss
flood
issues
again.
I
know
that,
hopefully,
by
now
everybody
on
council
is
aware
of
some
of
these
things
I'm
not
so
sure
that
all
the
seniors
are
aware.
I
know
that
Patrick
Higgins
just
stated
that
they
had
completed
a
flood
model
that
showed
that
they,
you
know,
only
somewhat
impacted
the
neighborhood
I
am
concerned
about
in
general,
our
floodplain
management.
R
In
this
country,
it
has
been
shown
more
and
more
over
time
that
our
current
regulations
do
not
are
not
sufficient
to
prevent
increasing
flood
damages
and
and
all
kinds
of
problems
from
flooding.
In
this
case,
the
Army
Corps
of
Engineers
has
just
completed
a
new
flood
model
that
has
not
been
approved
by
our
city.
That
is
the
flood
model
which
was
used
by
NCR.
R
In
that
flood
model
they
used
a
peak
River
discharge,
which
is
very
different,
much
lower
over
ten
percent,
lower
I.
Believe
then,
the
peak
discharge
used
in
the
previous
floodplain
modeling
and
with
this
lower
peak,
ditch
discharged
ten
percent
lower.
The
Army
Corps
is
coming
up
with
a
floodplain
hundred
year,
flood
plain
boundary,
which
is
essentially
equivalent
to
the
floodplain
boundary
hunters,
your
floodplain
boundary,
with
a
higher
peak
discharge.
R
This
should
indicate
to
you
all
that,
with
lower
flows
in
our
River,
we
are
flooding
more
in
her
community
and
I
am
NOT
going
to
state
what
causes
this
I
mean.
There
could
be
other
reasons,
but
but
I
that
we
are
not
doing
a
good
job
of
managing
our
floodplain.
To
me.
The
issues
around
this
proposed
development
have
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
seniors,
have
nothing
to
do
with
development
per
se,
but
they
have
to
do
with
floodplains.
It
is
not
smart
to
develop
on
your
floodplain.
R
Eventually
it
will
come
back
and
kick
you
and
we
are
not
doing
a
good
job
of
developing
our
floodplain
and
I.
Think
that
just
mounting
evidence
has
convinced
people
over
time.
That
now
is
the
time
that
we
need
to
stop.
It's
not
anything
about
that,
it
being
seniors
that
the
seniors
are
a
threat
to
us.
It's
that
floodplains
development
is
a
threat
to
us
and
I'm.
R
Sorry
for
all
the
people
that
have
spent
so
much
time
trying
to
come
up
with
a
good
Senior
Center
for
Athens,
because
it
is
needed,
but
I
think
you
should
applaud
yourself
with
the
fact
that
this
has
pushed
something
forward
and
that
there
is
going
to
be
an
alternative
that
is
not
on
the
floodplain.
It
is
not
going
to
be
as
dangerous
to
seniors
if
we
could
just
get
to
work
together
to
develop
something
I
think
at
University
of
States
is
the
way
to
go,
but
but
something
different
than
developing
on
our
floodplain.
R
That
is
going
to
increase
flooding
in
our
neighborhood
and,
yes,
we
can
use
use
data
that
is
different,
a
different
definition
of
100-year
floodplain
and
try
to
show
that
this
doesn't
affect
anything
but
yeah.
You
can
show
anything
with
data,
but
I
think
we
really
need
to
use
the
previous
data.
The
previous
peak
discharges
to
to
use
to
count
do
show
our
to
our
flood
plain
modeling
to
show
that
what
the
changes
really
are
in
our
hundred
year.
Flood
plain.
Instead
of
this,
this
a
different
peak
discharge.
That's
all.
A
AD
Name
is
Chris
Paul
and
I
live
at
35.
Morris
Avenue
I
think
that
this
whole
night
has
shown
how
many
questions
and
how
much
controversy
still
remains
about
this
project.
There's
questions
about
the
flood
plain
model,
whether
it's
sufficient
or
not.
There's
questions
about
the
ordinance.
The
fact
that
it
has
to
be
amended
shows
that
there's
still
questions
about
it.
There's
still
questions
about
this
playground
and
and
other
issues
that
have
been
said
that
they
were
working
with
the
neighborhood.
There's
questions
about
conflict
of
interest.
AD
These
questions
show
that
there
is
too
much
unknown
about
this
project
to
go
forward
at
this
point.
Its
controversial
if
council
goes
ahead,
ignores
the
conflict
of
interest.
Question
council
will
be
seen
as
making
a
rash
decision,
and
that
is
not
good
precedence.
The
conflict
of
interest
question
has
to
be
addressed.
It
has
to
be
addressed
in
a
open
forum.
AD
This
is
not
the
only
large-scale
development
that's
being
proposed
for
areas
of
town
process
matters
because
precedence,
matters
and
I
would
urge
Council
to
to
think
about
this,
and
I
would
suggest
that
until
the
lease
is
signed
and
Shadid
and
signed
that
the
conflict
of
interest
questions
are
answered
adequately
and
fully
and
publicly.
That
counsel
cannot
go
ahead
with
any
more
readings
of
this
ordinance.
It
does
not
fulfill
councils
obligations
to
be
responsible
servants
of
the
public
and
I
would
suggest
that
tabeling
the
cement.
This
ordinance
at
this
point
is
the
responsible
thing
to
do.
AD
A
You
are
there
other
comments
before
council,
seeing
that
we
will
be
moving
on
to
ordinances
for
first
reading
and
most
of
those
ordinances
concern
next
year's
budget
I.
Don't
know
that
many
of
the
people
that
came
to
speak
before
us
tonight
would
find
that
equally
as
interesting
as
they
soon
go
found
our
first
ordinance.
So
with
that
in
mind,
I'd
like
to
declare
a
three
minute
recess
to
allow
anyone
that
wishes
to
leave
to
leave
will
be
back
soon.
D
O
P
C
Is
coming
from
ODOT
to
pyro
transportation
to
give
us
the
road
eventually
once
I
repair
it
and
put
it
in
good
shape?
As
far
as
I
understand,
this
is
to
add
a
little
bit
more
because
there
are
more
things
to
be
done.
A
kovat,
I
believe
in
particular.
This
was
explained
in
the
committee
meeting
of
last
week
or
was
it
Wednesday
I'm.
F
E
A
C
G
A
G
President
move
adoption
of
120
205.
Second,
this
ordinance
creates
two
new
city
funds
for
the
courts.
One
is
for
the
DUI
grant
and
one
is
for
the
Sammy
grant.
The
Sammy
grant
is
substance,
abuse
and
mental
illness,
and
that
is
passed
through
money
that
will
go
to
the
to
Tri
County
mental
health
and
counseling
services
to
provide
services,
and
the
DUI
grant
seems
pretty
self-explanatory.
But
this
just
creates
funds
that
the
money
can
go
into
and
be
used
for
those
purposes.
Further.
A
Council
members
are
in
receipt
of
some
correspondence
from
the
judge
regarding
all
this.
Is
there
further
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
adoption
of
ordinance,
120
205
I,
as
opposed
the
ordinance
has
been
adopted,
ordinance
120
305,
an
ordinance
amending
the
2005
appropriation
ordinance
in
the
2005
interfund
transfer
ordinance
and
declaring
an
emergency
member
Phillips.
Mr.
B
A
H
G
This
ordinance
amends
the
this
year's
appropriation
ordinance
and
the
interfund
transfer
ordinance
and
declares
an
emergency.
There
are
several
sections
here.
In
the
first
section,
the
$3,500
that's
being
appropriated
to
the
general
fund
is
for
additional
money,
that's
owed
for
the
public
defender
contract,
the
38
3800
$20
is
being
appropriated
to
the
Sammy
grant
fund.
That's
for
the
substance,
abuse
mental
health
and
46,000
802,
the
underage
drinkers
fund
and
we're
increasing
the
total
appropriations
by
those
amounts.
In
the
second
section
we're
transferring
between
funds.
G
We
are
moving
21,000
outside
from
the
underage
drinkers
fund,
where
we
just
put
the
money
to
the
drug
court
fund
and
the
DUI
grant
fund,
so
20
1802
drug
court
fund
and
25,000
to
the
GUI
grant
fund.
In
the
third
section
we
are
appropriating
21800
to
the
drug
court
fund,
20,000
to
the
I
fund
and
5002
the
DUI
fund
in
the
transaction
class,
200
300
and
increasing
the
appropriations.
These
are
explained
in
the
letters
from
the
judge
and
we're
discussed
in
committee.
These
are
related
to
these
grants.
G
In
the
fourth
section,
we
are
decreasing
the
drug
court
fund
by
twenty
two
thousand
three
thirty
seven
and
change
the
sewer
fund
by
six
thousand
and
increasing
the
drug
court
fund
by
twenty
two
thousand
three
hundred
thirty
seven
and
change
and
the
sewer
fund.
We
are
moving
things
between
transaction
classes
to
balance
those
funds
get
both
in
the
sewer
fund
and
in
the
drug
court
fund.
So
that's
just
moving
things
from
from
one
transaction
class
to
another
for.
A
G
G
Last
year
we
made
a
change
that
reduce
the
amount
going
into
streets
and
reduce
the
amount
going
into
recreation.
So
this
doesn't
get
us
all
the
way
back
up
to
the
events
that
we're
going
into
those
funds,
but
the
auditor
tells
us
that
we
we
have
more
we're
doing
better
in
our
general
revenue
fund
than
we
were
at
the
end
of
the
year
last
year.
So
we're
able
to
make
this
change
further.
C
E
President
earlier
in
the
day,
I
think
the
mayor
was
extremely
impatient
with
me
saying
that
I
was
probably
out
of
line
with
my
comments
and
I
apologise
if
he
took
it
that
way.
But
I
was
thinking
back
to
oh
one
24:05,
and
when
we
talked
about
his
recommendations
for
the
income
tax
mix.
The
thing
that
worries
me
a
little
bit
is
going
with
perhaps
an
indoor
pool,
and
perhaps
the
soccer
field
and
I
brought
those
up.
The
last
time
enclosed
on
top
of
a
Stroud's
were
an
initiative.
E
Of
my
best
friends
are
soccer
players,
my
kids
did
it
I
mean
I,
think
I'm,
a
soccer
mom
ex
one
at
that.
But
still
you
know
so
I
guess
I'm
concerned,
because
we
changed
the
mix
back
and
we're
way
over
a
million
dollars
only
a
portion
of
which
comes
from
fees.
And
we
have
this
study.
It's
not
scientific,
but
it
certainly
wasn't
an
expression
of
assessment
of
management
and
that
management
study
said
we
needed
some
changes
and
I
guess
I'm
thinking.
E
Well
maybe
at
least
from
my
point
of
view
over
the
next
year,
we'll
see
some
changes,
perhaps-
and
you
know
sharpening
up
and
so
on
so
forth,
to
reduce
this.
Maybe
we
can
reallocate
it
and
and
pay
for
some
of
those
things
we
want,
but
you
know
to
say
that
just
don't
vote
for
it
because
I
mean
that
isn't
really
fair
because
it
seemed
like
we
were
redoing
the
mix
to
take
care
of
the
funds
that
we
didn't
have
already.
E
D
I
just
would
like
to
remind
council
I
know
that
Nancy
knows
this,
but
this
the
recreation
fun
did
did
go
from
six
percent
to
5
percent
to
4
percent
and
now
back
to
five
percent.
So
I
think
that
it's
a
process
of
finding
the
level
of
operation
needed
and
I
think
that
the
five
percent
is
acceptable.
I
mean
they.
They
work
on
creating
public
participation
in
in
projects
such
as
the
the
possibility
of
soccer
fields.
D
A
G
This
is
our
annual
appropriation
ordinance.
This
is
basically
the
core
of
the
city's
budget.
I
have
a
couple
highlights
that
I
want
to
make
and
then
I
really
want
to
hand
it
to
the
mayor
to
add
anything
else
that
he
wants
to
the
I
think
that
for
the
most
part,
this
reflects
things
that
we've
discussed
in
a
lot
of
detail
in
a
series
of
committee
meetings,
including
the
3%
raised,
pool
updating
our
non-union
pay
scale.
It
reflects
Sione
negotiated
contracts
that
we
have.
G
There
are
a
lot
of
things
that
are
that
are
pretty
well
set
in
the
ongoing
operations
of
the
city.
There's
one
new
piece
in
here
that
I'm
very
excited
about
after
the
years
of
work
that
citizens
have
invested
in
working
on
the
comprehensive
plan
for
the
city
of
Athens,
which
is
working
its
way
through
the
Planning
Commission
and
soon
to
come
to
Council.
We
are
including
funds
for
a
city
planner
in
this
budget,
so
that
we
can
get
someone
into
that
position.
G
Who
has
the
expertise
to
help
us
with
implementation
of
the
comprehensive
plan,
so
that
someone
can
help
review
the
city's
codes
and
review
ordinances?
In
other
cities
to
help
us
do
a
good
job
of
implementing
all
the
work
that
people
have
put
into
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
I'm
really
really
pleased
that
that's
in
there,
there
was
some
reference
in
this
to
the
the
changes
in
fees
that
we
discussed,
particularly
in
the
area
of
code
enforcement
and
I.
G
Guess
I
would
just
emphasize
that
those
changes
were
based
on
a
study
that
was
done
by
Maximus,
based
on
the
actual
cost
of
providing
services,
and
you
know
any
permit
fees
that
were
either
increased
or
decreased.
That
was
based
on
what
it
actually
costs
us
to
provide
those
services,
and
when
we
talk
about
some
of
those
fees
being
used
for
the
planner.
Some
of
those
activities
are
things
that
the
planner
will
do
like
reviewing
site
plans
and
proposals
for
subdivisions
and
Planned
Unit
development.
G
So
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
to
the
citizens
that,
when
we're
talking
about
this,
we're
talking
about
fees
for
work
that
the
planner
will
be
doing,
we're
not
talking
about
taking
money
from
some
other
area
and
using
it
to
fund
this
position.
I
think
that
it's
a
well-thought-out
rationale
of
where
the
funds
can
come
from
for
that
position.
The
other
thing
I,
would
better
alert.
G
Council
members
to
you
may
remember
that,
in
the
discussion
with
judge
Grimm
about
the
the
grants
and
the
programs
that
the
court
is
working
on,
there
was
a
request
that
we
cover
an
additional
portion
of
one
of
the
probation
officers,
and
that
is
reflected
in
this
budget
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
folks
know
that
that's
in
there
as
well,
so
the
grant
will
cover
a
probation
officer.
We
will
be
covering
a
portion
of
that
and
the
the
existing
position
will
remain
so
I
think
that
we're
talking
about
increasing
someone
there.
G
I
One
of
the
things
that
happens
in
here
is,
if
you
look
into
the
general
fund
area,
you'll,
see
that
the
old
income
tax
department
is
budgeted
at
zero
and
what
really
on
the
auditors,
recommendation
and
I
know
this
really
hasn't
been
I.
Don't
know
how
much
discussed
by
the
committee
combined
the
auditor
in
the
income
tax
office
into
one
budget
of
the
auditor's
office.
I
This
will
allow
for
greater
flexibility
and
the
ordering
of
supplies
spreading
in
the
workload
and
a
lot
of
other
issues
up
there,
that
there
really
aren't
two
separate
offices
or
two
separate
functions,
maybe
that
that
office
does
but
budgetarily
and
cost
to
the
city
is
now
reflected
all
this
one,
there's
no
increased
cost
to
the
city
to
do
it.
That
way,
but
it's
just
a
practicality
standpoint
upon
the
recommendation
of
the
auditor.
I
There
are
a
number
of
funds
in
through
here
that
I
did
not
put
any
appropriations
under
like
state
highway
dollars,
wheel,
tax
dollars,
state
issue
or
swear.
You
know
we
have
some
grants
that
we
receive
as
those
projects
evolved.
We
will
then
attach
the
appropriations
to
those.
The
other
thing.
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
not.
To
mention
to
you
is
that
this
budget
is
done
based
upon,
except
for
the
exceptions
that
councilmember
Phillips
has
mentioned.
No
other
really
growth
to
the
staffing
levels
of
the
city
and
we
get
to
the
staffing
ordinance.
I
I
want
to
go
through
a
few
things
on
on
that,
but
it
is
also
done
without
a
precise
knowledge
of
the
carry-forward
funds
that
we
have.
We
know
what
we
came
into
during
the
year.
We
know
through
October
revenue
and
expenditures
we
can
project
both
of
those
I
feel
that
it's
the
carryover
balances
we'll
be
there
to
help
do
these.
But
what
we
really
know
about
mid-january
and
if
we
have
to
make
adjustments
to
the
appropriation
ordinance
we'll
be
back
to
the
new
council,
then
to
do
those.
I
But
for
the
past
years
that
I
can
remember,
we
haven't
had
to
go
back
and
do
that.
I,
don't
think
we're
going
to
have
to
this
year.
But
there
are
a
couple
of
questions
in
there
because
the
general
fund,
because
of
the
batch
of
the
grant
and
the
Sammy
grant,
which
you've
approved
in
the
early
ordinance
and
the
impact
of
I,
think
about
forty
four
thousand
dollars
in
there
of
changing
the
salary
schedule
for
non-union
personnel
within
the
general
fund.
A
G
Would
really
like
to
ask
the
mayor
to
speak
to
this
I
guess.
I
would
note
that
I
have
a
question
already
just
from
looking
this
over
about
the
planner,
which
is
in
the
staffing
levels,
but
I
still
see
a
GIS
position
in
the
pay
scale.
So,
whatever
general
explanation
you'd
like
being
this
is
great,
but
that's
a
question
that
I
have
well.
I
The
staff,
the
levels
that
get
created
within
the
classifications
are
generated
by
what's
in
the
staffing
ordinance
that
follows
the
I'm
not
really
recommended
at
this
time
that
the
GIS
position
be
eliminated.
Therefore,
I
kept
it
in
the
pay
scale,
but
with
you
turn
to
Exhibit
A
but
authorized
staffing
levels
and
you
get
down
to.
I
The
GIS
coordinator
system
out
analyst
under
general
and
other
admin-
it
says
one
open,
no
budget,
which
means
I,
didn't
put
any
budget
money
in
there
and
there
I've
tried
to
do
that.
Like
in
my
office.
There's
one
executive
assistants
been
open.
Now
this
is
the
second
year
in
a
row.
It's
still
open,
there's
no
budget
for
it.
I
You
can
also
see
there's
one
custodian
with
no
budget
for
the
authorized
position,
because
I
have
to
if
you
haven't
changed,
the
authorization
I
have
to
keep
it
here,
but
I
have
to
tell
you
I
think
that
there's
no
budget
we've
already
covered
GIS
in
the
police
department.
I
have
a
question
here
for
you,
because
you
had
authorized
last
time:
18
police
officers
in
one
patrol
officer
grant
we
no
longer
have
any
grants
that
are
supported.
I
I
I
Of
those
open,
we
are
in
the
process
of
trying
to
fill
those,
but
I
don't
know
if
you
were,
since
you
indicated
that
separately
as
being
a
grant
position.
Do
you
want
police
officer
patrol
officer
rather
to
be
18
or
19,
and
that's
when
you're
gonna
have
to
decide?
Maybe
that
if
you
go
through
the
budget
and
then
look
back
at
it
for
some
reason,
you
wanted
to
keep
it
noted
as
a
grant
position
and
I
believe
that
discussion
was
more.
Was
that
because
it
wasn't
really
funded
by
the
general
fund?
I
I
still
don't
have
it
funded
by
the
general
fund
by
the
indication
of
no
budget,
but
you'll
have
to
decide
whether
or
not
you
want
that
in
the
authorized,
staffing
level
or
not
the
second
page
of
it
again,
there's
two
open
in
the
fire
department.
Those
two
were
created
back
in
1996
in
1997
when
we
had
eight
firefighters
retiring,
so
we
upped
the
level
we
filled
those
we
kept
it
for
a
couple
of
years.
The
general
fund
started
declining
through
attrition
with
those
over
hoping.
I
There
is
one
open,
general
secretary
in
the
code
office
no
budget
planner,
of
course,
is
new.
There
are
two
code
inspectors
positions
open,
but
they
are
budgeted
for
I
have
to
budget
for
two
director
of
Street
departments,
because
under
the
laws
of
the
military
leave,
you
have
to
pay
that
person
a
maximum
of
duty
pay
if
they
would
request
it,
so
you'd
have
to
still
have
the
slot
there
to
put
it
back
into
so.
I
I
left
one
there's
two
open
positions
and
maintenance
tech
trainee,
because
that's
what's
in
the
labels
of
green
one
of
those
I've
funded,
one
of
I
have
not
been
able
to
the
maintenance
specialists
where
one
of
those
people
was
working
as
a
street
department.
Supervisors
I
did
not
put
in
a
budget
for
it.
I
think
that
could
that's
all
over
the
areas
that
are
in
your
staffing,
but
either
open
and
funded
or
open,
not
open,
because
they're
not
funded
put
it.
That
way.
M
Director
hunter
Thank
You
mr.
president,
DEP
like
to
indicate
to
Council
that
I
know
you've
made
some
you're
dealing
with
difficult
times
and
staffing
and
you've
made
some
decisions
recently
to
address
turnover
in
the
auditor's
office
by
increasing
salaries
and
so
forth.
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
you.
I
haven't
been
consulted
or
participated
in
the
budget
process
today,
but
we
do
have
an
issue
in
the
law
directors
office.
Also,
the
budget
there
has
been
actually
stagnant
decreasing
for
the
last
several
years.
M
The
workload
continues
to
increase
I
indicate
to
you
tonight
that
the
part-time
prosecutor,
Hilbert
savez,
has
resigned.
That's
been
a
revolving
door
position
ever
since
Council
created
is
only
a
part-time
position
and
I
really
do
think
that
council
is
going
to
have
to
address
the
issue
at
some
point
in
time
of
making
that
full-time
positions.
M
G
M
G
So
the
proposed
amendment
is
that,
where
it
says
chamber
agrees
to
use
the
sum
paid
by
the
city
for
the
support
of
economic
development,
including,
but
not
I,
would
stop
there
and
make
it
say,
but
not
limited
to
the
activities
detailed
in
the
attached
scope
of
work,
dated
December,
2005
and
then
I
would
add
the
date
December
2005
to
the
top
of
the
scope
of
work,
which
is
on
the
back
of
the
agreement.
So
just
so,
the
agreement
itself
references
the
scope
of
work.
A
G
G
So
we
did
spell
out
a
lot
of
the
specific
work
that
much
of
which
the
chamber
already
does
for
the
for
the
city,
and
we
put
in
a
few
other
things
where
the
chamber
has
been
working
with
citizen
groups
on
the
clean
initiative
and
some
of
those
quality-of-life
kind
of
campaigns
that
has
been
involved
in.
So
we
just
added
more
specificity
to
the
contract.
O
G
Visitors
Bureau
agrees
that
we
would
add
language
that
mirrors
the
scope
of
work
under
work
with
community
groups
to
promote
community
events
and
use
numbers
two
three
and
four
they
would
become
numbers
one
two
and
three,
but
some
of
the
work
that
we
included
in
the
Chamber's
scope
of
work
really
is
promoting
some
of
the
community
events
that
happen
in
Athens
and
the
the
Tourism
Board
does
get
involved
in
this
work
already.
But
since
we
specified
that
in
the
chamber,
contract
I
thought
we
should
include
it
as
well.
Here
further.
E
F
AC
A
O
G
A
X
E
E
What
we
are
asking
is
that
the
landlord's
would
complete
a
current
tenant
occupant
education
form
on
all
rental
dwelling
and
rooming
houses
permitted
for
fewer
than
ten
occupants
said
former
via
Phillip
filed
by
the
Department
alton
enforcement
of
facilities
by
september
30th
of
each
year
by
the
language
changes
in
the
tenant
box
and
subsequent
to
september,
30
will
be
filed
by
the
landlord
with
the
development
with
the
same
department
within
30
days
of
the
change.
I'm
the
concept
is
one
that
is
not
unique.
It's
not
even
new.
E
We
copy
that
shamelessly
from
other
places
who
have
had
success
with
it,
and
if
you
turn
the
page,
this
is
what
we
had
up
till
now,
thanks
to
our
clerk,
debbie
walker,
who
pulled
the
various
ideas
together
on
a
couple
of
sheets.
I
personally
would
like
to
see
it
online
I
would
like
to
see
it
totally
online,
but
fundamentally
it
is.
We
have
occupancy
restrictions
on
this
dwelling
unit
if
the
landlord
does
not
put
up
the
placard
and
I
went
over
and
checked
nature
minor
up
that
says
its
permitted
occupancy
is
3.
E
Then
there
could
be
a
discussion
between
the
landlord
and
the
tenant.
I
guess:
I'm,
always
an
idealist
front
yard
parking
you're,
just
not
allowed
to
pull
your
car
around
to
the
grass
sorry
trash
Clint
can
placement
out
of
view
from
the
street
I
drove
down
Palmer
Street.
Today
we
need
to
work
on
that.
One
litter
accumulation
of
rustiest,
noise
control,
nuisance
party
and
animal
control,
and
so
what
we're
saying
is,
since
the
landlord
is
often
the
primary
person
in
the
community
that
the
students
interact
with
when
they
become
residents.
E
This
is
a
way
for
us
to
ask
the
landlord
to
act
as
a
a
bit
of
an
educator
for
us.
I,
remember,
Stephanie
Goldsberry,
who
is
who
first
made
me
aware
of
how
much
of
Act
that
form
of
education
takes
place
in
our
community.
Since
then,
I've
learned
a
lot
more,
but
she
started
me
thinking
about
it.
So
I
think
that's
the
spirit
of
this
I
know
there
are
some
landlords
who
do
a
really
wonderful
job
on
this
and
the
rest
of
us
who
don't
will
now
be
starting
for.
A
E
President,
in
the
absence
of
mr.
champion,
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
discussed
this
last
week
and
agree
with
this
interpretation
in
the
land
development
chapter
27.
It
would
apply
to
future
developments.
I
think
that
when
we
were
doing
the
initial
land,
development,
ordinance
and
I
have
to
admit
I
was
reluctant
at
least
for
a
while
on
it,
but
when
we
were
doing
it,
I,
don't
think
anybody
imagined
the
scalping.
E
That
would
be
part
of
developments
later
on
and
I
think
that
by
putting
this
in
we've
said,
we
will
say
if
it
passes
that
the
shape
size,
the
natural
topographic
features
of
the
terrain,
will
be
preserved.
I
think
people
have
said
in
the
many
citizen
inputs
we've
had
that
they
really
love
the
way
the
place
looks
and
they'd
like
to
keep
it.
That
way,
and
that's
fundamentally
what
this
does.
It
has
no
teeth,
but
it's
basically
a
statement
of
some
of
our
opinion
and
the
teeth
can
come
later
in
this
much
vaulted
planner
position
that.
E
It's
in
there
but
I
didn't
read
it.
I
didn't.
D
An
informational
point,
I,
said
last
week,
I
didn't
know
where
I
was
reading
about
those
of
the
trees.
It's
in
the
comprehensive
plan,
I
just
restored
a
little
casual
reading
in
our
own
proposed
comprehensive
plan,
and
that's
where
it
was
like
replacing
and
and
maintaining
the
tree
canopy
and
increasing
the
tree
canopy
in
Athens
in
general.
E
A
E
E
But
one
thing
we
can
do
is
increase
that
rate
and
possibly
you
know
by
$15
it's
not
a
huge
amount
of
money,
but
there
are
some
other
fees
that
the
delinquency
turn
on
the
turn
on
penalty
for
after-hours
delinquency
letter.
My
opinion
is
that
probably
costs
more
money
than
each
of
these
is
bringing
in
and
since
the
máxima
study
I
started
as
down
one
road
lets
them
go
back
in
the
future
and
change
the
rest.
E
A
B
E
B
E
B
B
But
after
I
believe
the
county
commissioners
office
looked
at
this
resolution.
They
realized
that
there
will
be
a
small
part
of
what
is
now
Armitage
road
which
extends
beyond
the
boundaries
of
the
university
estates,
services
to
houses,
I
believe
and
our
water
wells
and
among
the
mayor
and
council
that
it
was
in
the
city's
interest
to
continue
to
maintain
that
portion
of
the
road,
particularly
to
be
able
to
service
our
water
loans.
So
this
simply
amends
the
language
from
our
prior
resolution.