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A
Good
evening,
I'd
like
to
call
to
order
a
special
assessment
session
of
athlete's
City
Council,
it's
Tuesday,
October
11th
above
seven
o'clock.
Shortly
thereafter,
7:05
I'll
establish
a
forum
with
five
members
of
council
present
and
I
would
like
to
make
an
announcement
on
schedule,
but
all
the
same
I
will
do
it.
Citizen
of
pinyon
surveys
were
mailed
out
on
Monday
in
the
Ohio
University
communications
class
would
like
to
encourage
all
those
in
our
audience
receiving
a
survey
to
please
respond.
A
Okay
for
those
of
you
that
may
be
here
on
another
matter.
There
are
five
members
of
council
I'm,
a
member
of
council
I'm,
just
acting
as
president
wrote,
a
man
bills,
absence
ordinances
for
second
reading,
an
ordinance
amending
the
2005
appropriation
ordinance
in
the
2005
interfund
transfer,
Lauren's.
C
B
B
B
B
B
Madam
president,
that
we
adopt
a
ninety
seven-
oh
five
say
this
is
an
appropriation
ordinance
and
an
interfund
transfer
ordinance.
We
talked
this
through
last
week.
It
appropriates
fourteen
thousand
three
hundred
and
sixty
dollars
to
transportation
assistance
fund,
eight
thousand
two
hundred
twenty-five
dollars
to
the
general
fund
and
four
thousand
three
hundred
twenty-five
dollars
and
two
cents
to
the
FEMA
grant
fund,
and
then
it
transfers
money
from
the
FEMA
grant
fund
to
the
street
fund
and
the
sewer
fund
to
cover
expenses
related
to
fixing
the
effects
of
a
flood.
Earlier
this
year.
A
B
Council
members
received
an
email
copy
of
the
proposed
amendment.
What
this
would
do
we
discussed
this
during
first
reading
last
week
and
there
were
a
lot
of
questions
raised.
We
had
some
follow-up
conversations
and
this
is
an
attempt
to
address
a
lot
of
the
concerns
that
came
up
in
first
reading,
so
rather
than
a
it
would
raise
the
vending
fee
to
$1,000
effective
January,
1
2006,
with
subsequent
annual
increases
of
3%
instead
of
jumping
to
1500
the
following
year.
B
There
was
some
concern
that
having
those
specific
dollar
amounts
going
into
the
particular
the
you
know,
garbage
fund
and
recycling
EPA
funds
that
that
might
be
confusing.
But
since
the
balance
of
the
money
goes
to
parking
enforcement,
it's
not
going
to
throw
anything
off
to
have
those
specific
amounts
in
there.
And
if
a
future
council
wishes
to
adjust
that
in
the
future
they
can
the
there
are
two
other
changes
to
address.
The
concerns
about
Halloween
I
propose
that
we
change
that
special
conditions
may
be
established
by
FN
city
council.
B
Previously,
it
said
that
these
special
conditions
would
be,
and
then
the
third
thing
is
related
to
they
use
it
or
lose
it.
Claus
took
out
the
be
licensed
vendors
so
that
it
just
applies
to
all
license
holders
and
that
it
would
be
based
on
records
kept
by
parking
enforcement
rather
than
calculations
made
by.
B
A
E
I
would
like
to
thank
council
person
Phillips
for
working
and
coming
up
with
some
good
suggestions
for
the
changes
and,
as
Debbie
knows,
I
was
a
little
uncomfortable
with
the
allocations
of
the
money
to
specific
places.
But
then,
unless
we
change
the
garbage
fees,
it
probably
will
stand
for
a
while,
and
so
it
certainly
doesn't
sufficiently
bother
me
to
negate
the
rest
of
the
work
and
I
think.
D
A
B
This
ordinance
amends
the
appropriation
ordinance
by
appropriating
$19,000
to
the
street
fund
and
increasing
the
total
appropriation
by
that
amount.
This
will
replace
funds
that
were
expended
from
the
current
appropriations
that
were
used
to
cover
leds
and
pedestrian
markings
at
the
crosswalks
on
Richland
and
East
State.
They
were
unplanned,
but
cost-effective
safety
features,
so
it
wasn't
really
part
of
the
original
streets
budget,
but
it
was
something
that
we
felt
should
happen
so
that
got
spent
out
of
the
regular
budget,
we're
just
replacing
that
money.
A
E
It's
my
turn
now:
oh
man,
I
do
apologize
for
being
late,
so
this
is
now
coming
at
you
as
a
first
reading,
rather
than
a
committee
meeting.
But
basically,
what
has
occurred
is
that
when
the
community
center
opened
five
years
ago
this
week,
we
had
a
an
agreement
with
Pepsi
action
late
for
contracts.
They
they
had
advertising
on
our
scoreboards.
They
provided
product
for
various
events
and
a
whole
contract
of
services
that
they
provided
for
the
city
in
exchange
for
exclusive
rights
within
this
program.
E
What
this
ordinance
is
for
is
to
advertise,
accept
bids
and
enter
into
a
contract
for
the
next
four
years,
and
it
includes
the
scoreboards
and
other
donations.
It
includes
a
series
of
events
that
take
place
at
at
various
places
within
the
city.
One
of
those
is
the
new
arts
West
one
activity.
They
will
sponsor
a
tower
twice.
D
E
Forth,
so
this
is
the
the
opportunity
to
follow
up
and
do
a
subsequent
four
year
contract
the
two
open
bids
again,
so
that
it
is
not
necessarily
the
same
company
and
I
might
add
that
I
do
know
that
in
the
case
of
Arts
West
and
the
community
center,
there
are
juice
and
and
water
alternatives
to
the
Pops.
So
it
is
not
exclusively
pop,
but
it
is
still
sponsored
by
whatever
company
would
be
sponsoring
this
project.
Our
twist
is
just
juice
and
water.
At
this
point
they
haven't
given
in
to
the
to
the
pop
concept.
E
C
D
C
B
I
would
just
add:
I
had
a
conversation
with
member
Patterson
earlier
today
that
I
am
not
entirely
comfortable
with
the
marketing
of
junk
food
to
children
and
I.
Think
there's
a
trend
now
of
trying
to
pull
those
kind
of
products
out
of
schools
and
I
I.
Think
that
it's
something
that
we
should
think
about.
I
don't
know
if
it
necessarily
needs
to
impact
a
decision
that
we
make
today.
But
I
I
just
have
a
concern
in
general
about
encouraging
that
you
know
consumption
of
those
kind
of
products
and.
F
A
D
B
F
F
F
Nonprofit
501c3
in
1995,
and
it's
really
been
led
by
its
membership.
Cfi
is
a
very
grassroots
organization.
A
lot
of
the
evolution
maturation
of
CFI
has
been
really
engendered,
I
think
by
the
people
who
have
been
members
throughout
its
history.
We're
limited
in
terms
of
our
funding.
I,
always
like
to
say
right
now
we
survive
on
a
vaporous
budget,
but
hundreds
of
incredible
volunteers.
I
would
like
to
see
some
of
that.
Maybe
change
in
the
near
future.
F
I
do
think
the
project
work
that
we're
doing
right
now
and
some
of
the
excitement
we
have
amongst
community
members
can
lead
to
additional
funding.
But
a
lot
of
our
budget
right
now
comes
from
memberships.
We've
had
a
number
of
religious
funders
who
supported
CFI
throughout
the
years
private
foundations
and
then
CFI
partners
very
explicitly
with
a
snap
rural
action
and
the
Athens
farmers
market
and
that
sometimes
leverages
funds
as
well.
So
we've
had
lots
of
partners
some
of
the
programs
right
now
that
CFI
is
running
are
the
community,
gardens
and
obviously
I.
F
F
And
projects
we've
reinvented
the
Edible
Schoolyard
project
in
pretty
much
the
last
two
school
seasons.
We
have
an
edible
garden
at
East
Elementary
and
we
just
started
another
one
in
the
Trimble
local
schools.
So
that
would
be
an
Athens
County
program,
we're
very
interested
in
steep
saving,
we've
partnered
over
the
years
to
make
sure
that
there
are
free
seeds
and
plants
that
are
available
to
low
income.
Members
of
our
community,
we've
partnered
with
ace
net
on
our
Appalachian
harvest
project
and
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that.
F
I've
actually
brought
some
of
the
products
that
have
come
out
of
that
project
and
also
community
composting
and
I
think
this
is
probably
the
project
that
I
would
like
CFI
to
work
most
directly
with
the
city
on
in
future
years,
the
community
gardens.
Well,
we
started
back
in
2002
to
really
try
and
reinvigorate
the
West
State
Street
Gardens
in
2003
2004.
We
started
to
expand
the
gardens
in
2005.
F
We
probably
have
had
the
most
I
would
say:
expansion
of
the
gardens
in
terms
of
usage,
more
community
members
having
garden
plots
and
some
of
the
previous
garden
plot
tenders
have
now
expanded.
We
actually
have
some
folks
now
selling
some
of
the
produce
that
they
harvest
from
their
community
garden
plot
as
well
as
produce
products.
So
this
is
pretty
exciting.
F
I.
Think
one
of
the
things
that
we
would
like
to
see
in
2005/2006
is
more
of
this
information
captured
in
terms
of
its
usage.
We
would
like
to
see
maybe
additional
sites
expand
in
coming
years
as
well.
We've
had
some
great
funding
partners
in
2004.
We
received
a
grant
from
the
anthems
foundation
and
that
allowed
us
to
create
a
kiosk
right
along
the
bike
path
and
that's
been
great
to
communicate
what's
happening
at
the
garden
and
about
CFI
in
general.
F
They
also
provided
funds
so
that
we
were
able
to
purchase
additional
tools
and
a
toolbox
so
that
those
tools
that
we
had
just
purchased
didn't
disappear.
You
know,
sometimes
security
issues
are
important,
so
I
think
some
of
those
next
steps
are
really.
How
do
we
continue
to
improve
the
West
8th,
Street
Gardens,
since
we've
had
running
water
in
2004?
F
F
Be
done
in
this
location,
the
gardeners
meet
on
a
regular
basis.
They
have
community,
potlucks
and
I
also
included
a
survey
for
2005
so
that
we
can
really
assess
their
needs
and
their
interests.
Some
of
the
other
things
that
I
think
can
happen
with
this
project
is
to
really
identify
some
other
partners.
We've
had
folks
from
project
plant
from
the
master
gardeners
who
have
really
helped
with
community,
but
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
neighborhood
associations
maybe
become
more
engaged.
I
know.
F
What
I
like
to
do
is
always
add
a
lot
of
photographs
to
me.
You
know
the
project
work
is
really
told
by
the
pictures
and
stories
of
the
individuals
involved.
We
just
recently
did
a
canning
workshop
this
past
summer
in
the
food
ventures.
Central
kitchen
area,
bill
Justus,
is
in
the
our
kitchen
managers
in
the
photo
on
the
left,
and
he
did
some
training
with
some
other
partners
on
how
to
can
preserve.
So
I
think
we
can
add
a
lot
of
blackberry,
jelly
and
preserves
come
out.
F
We
also
have
some
delayed
green
beans
that
were
pretty
yummy
as
well.
Gardening
angels
really
helped
in
a
lot
of
different
ways,
even
beyond
gardening,
but
folks
are
available
to
help
with
tilling
some
folks
have
helped
some
of
our
community
gardeners
maybe
dig
up
their
box
on
West,
8th,
Street,
Edible
Schoolyard.
F
Again,
we
did
it
for
many
years
in
the
late
90s
and
we've
just
tried
to
revamp
the
program,
certainly
looking
for
additional
support
and
funding
for
this
project,
the
Edible
Schoolyard
garden-
that's
probably
the
oldest
right
now
is
at
East
Elementary
and
we
just
started
a
new
one
trimble-
local
schools
this
summer.
So
we
had
some
beautiful
corn
and
tomatoes,
some
flowers,
all
sorts
of
things.
Some
of
our
volunteers
have
also
gone
into
the
schools
to
do
some
nutrition
training
and
also
some
cooking
classes,
so
I
know
last
fall.
F
They
made
some
wonderful
acorn
squash
soup
at
East
Elementary.
A
lot
of
the
partners
in
terms
of
Edible
Schoolyard
tends
to
be
the
teachers,
the
students
we
have
cafeteria
workers,
school
nurses
and
even
some
of
the
neighbors
in
both
of
these
communities
become
involved
in
the
Edible
Schoolyard
project,
seed,
saving,
another
great
project,
a
lot
of
volunteers,
sort
seeds
at
the
beginning
of
the
spring.
We
put
them
in
bags
and
then
they're
available
at
the
athens
county,
WIC
office,
jobs
and
family
services
at
our
offices
at
CFI.
F
If
there's
folks,
who
want
us
to
have
free
seeds
at
other
locations,
that's
also
possible,
and
it's
more
than
just
seeds.
We
have
vegetable
seeds,
we
have
flower
seeds,
but
we've
had
tomato
starts.
Pepper
starts,
I,
think
we've
even
had
potatoes
in
the
past
for
people
to
use
as
well.
We
have
a
number
of
farmers
and
Meg's
and
Gally
County
could
have
donated
a
lot
of
the
seeds
and
many
of
the
tomato
peppers
and
potatoes
Appalachian
Harvest.
Well,
this
is
a
really
exciting
project.
F
I've
brought
a
couple
products
some
stuff
from
last
year
and
some
of
the
prototypes
for
this
year,
but
this
has
been
an
incredible
project.
One
of
the
primary
funders
for
CFI
has
been
through
the
USDA
community
food
security
project,
and
this
is
a
partnership
with
ace
net,
with
the
Meigs
cooperative
parish
with
a
PAC
which
is
the
Appalachian
People's
Action
Coalition,
the
Kilvert
Center,
the
Gloucester
Community
Center,
the
cool
bill,
food.
B
F
And
a
number
of
Meigs
County
farmers,
the
farmers
actually
allow
the
volunteers
to
come
out
and
glean
this
year
we
did
tomato
and
corn
the
two
years
that
we've
run
this
project
a
lot
of
CFI
again:
gardening
angels.
They
do
more
than
just
gardening
come
in
and
process
we've
created
products
for
both
food
pantries.
F
The
variety
of
community
dinners
that
many
of
these
organizations
run
throughout
the
year
and
then
we
also
have
products
for
sale.
So
some
of
you,
you
may
already
be
addicted
to
the
cocktail
sauce
that
we
produced
last
year.
This
is
actually
I.
Think
one
of
my
parents
favorite
products
of
all
these
years,
50
years
of
eating
shrimp
cocktail
in
there.
B
F
All
you
people
who
just
need
to
eat
hot
and
spicy
food,
okay,
community
composting.
Well,
this
I
think
is
our
future.
This
is
one
of
the
areas
that
CFI
really
wants
to
provide
leadership
in
in
the
coming
years.
We've
partnered
at
this
level
with
the
city
of
Athens,
the
Ohio
EPA,
the
Athens
County
Solid,
Waste
District,
the
Unitarian
Universalists
have
been
fantastic.
Our
local
fellowship
has
really
provided
both
funding
and
volunteers.
To
make
this
project
work.
Diane
Stafford
of
uu
FA
has
just
been
an
incredible
person.
F
I
know
you
know
her
and
are
familiar
with
her
work,
but
she's
really
been.
She
is
like
I
would
say
the
Archangel
of
the
community
composting
project.
The
a.m.
rotary
has
supported
this.
We
also
have
had
a
lot
of
folks
come
from
septa,
actually
helping
us
build,
compost,
bins,
turn
compost
just
last
week,
bagged
beautiful
composter,
now
available
in
many
locations
for
you
to
use
and
many
of
the
restaurants.
The
food
venture
Center
also
have
participated
either
by
having
the
volunteers
come
and
pick
up
their
compost
or
participating
through
donations.
F
Here's
the
uuf
a
bucket
for
grades.
We
have
lovely
green
buckets
for
composting,
so
we
have
probably
about
20
locations
right
now,
whether
it's
the
food
venture
center
or
local
businesses
that
are
composting
some
of
their
food
wastes.
So
the
reduction
of
food
waste
going
into
landfill
might
just
be
a
little
trickle
at
this
point,
but
I
think
it's
engaging
a
lot
of
interest,
especially
with
commercial
businesses
that
want
to
figure
out
how
to
do
a
better
job
composting
their
scraps.
F
Just
this
past
weekend,
Rory
Lewandowski
from
our
co-op
Extension
Office
provided
a
composting
workshop
and
I.
Think
again,
this
is
a
direction
that
we
feel
very
committed
to.
We
need
to
do
more
education
on
backyard
composting
for
residents
in
our.
We
also
need
to
really
work
with
commercial
partners
to
figure
out
what.
B
F
Vision
for
composting
within
the
city
of
Athens
and
Athens
County,
so
pretty
exciting
lots
of
stuff
happening
incredible
group
of
volunteers
in
each
one
of
these
projects,
and
we
very
much
appreciate
the
work
of
councilmember
sands
and
Bane
for
doing
the
work
that
they've
done
thus
far
and
look
forward
to
partnering
with
them
a
little
bit
more.
Certainly,
there's
opportunities
for
other
council
members
to
assist
on
some
of
these
projects.
There's
a
lot
of
different
things.
I
think
that
you
can
become
engaged
in.
So
how
can
you
really
assist
us
well,
I!
F
Think,
one
of
the
things
that
we
continue
to
need
and
again
you
know
when
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
council
members
to
be
on
the
agenda
tonight.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
for
us
to
have
this
air
time
a
lot
of
folks
watch
council
meetings.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
becoming
a
CFI
member,
we
will
be
available
the
Saturday
at
the
Athens
farmers
market
and
for
a
small
membership.
F
In
seeing
the
community
gardens
expand
if
you're
interested
in
participating
on
the
community
composting
project,
we
really
need
to
be
connected
to
resources
and
more
expertise.
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
look
for
additional
support
letters
in
the
months
to
come,
probably
within
the
next
year.
I
would
like
to
apply
for
additional
funding
for
both
community
composting
and
for
the
community
gardening
projects,
and,
if
you
can
identify,
maybe
in-kind
funds
that
we
could
use
in
some
of
these
funding
applications.
That
always
is
of
great
assistance
as
well.
F
So
that's
pretty
much
my
presentation
this
evening.
I
hope
I
stayed
a
little
bit
on
time.
That's
why
I
have
powerpoints
to
sort
of
move
me
along
so
that
I
don't
rip
too
much.
I've
brought
goodies.
Hopefully
those
of
you
who
came
in
to
the
audience
a
little
bit
later.
If
you
need
a
little
bit
of
a
sugar
buzz,
don't.
F
B
F
C
How
many
people,
you
think
compost
percentage-wise
in
the
city?
Do
you
have
any
other
data
yeah.
F
F
Been
more
commercial
at
this
point,
I
think
the
direction
we're
headed
right
now
is
to
look
for
funding
to
do
education
on
backyard
composting,
so
that
we
can
have
more
residents
start
to
compost
within
their
own
back
yards
and
also
just
that
sort
of
educational
evolution.
I.
Think
too,
that
if
you
start
to
do
your
own
composting,
if,
in
some
day
in
the
future,
we
have
curbside
pickup
of
compostable
materials,
then
they
would
be
ready
to
go
with
that.
D
F
Forward
also
to
maybe
identifying
some
folks
at
Ohio
University
that
maybe
we
could
do
some
survey
work.
A
lot
of
the
community
surveys
that
have
been
conducted
in
partnership
with
the
ill
Gard
thus
far
has
been
more
on
community
gardening.
So
we
might
be
due
to
do
some
stuff
on
community
composting
next,
but
we
need
funding.
G
Obviously,
funding
is
a
is
a
problem
and
in
locating
of
a
space
to
do
this,
we've
had
representatives
from
the
county
and
the
university
who
have
also
faithfully
attended
these
meetings
and
expressed
great
interest
in
this
larger
cooperative
group
going
toward
curbside
pickup
at
some
date.
We
do
pick
up,
leaves
and
yard
waste
an
estimate
from
Ray
Haslett
and
that
could
cost
as
much
as
$200,000
annually
for
the
for
the
time
for
the
labor
and
the
equipment
utilized,
and
so
it
has
some
financial
sense
to
it.
Also.
We
continue
that
work
right
now.
G
C
G
G
G
Most
of
them
are
pretty
low-tech
there,
wind
rows
of
compostable
material
that
needs
to
be
turned
on
some
regular
basis
with
some
large
equipment
and
then
some
grinding
to
to
reduce
that.
But
a
lot
of
them
report,
tremendous
sales
of
product
and
obviously
the
ones
who
are
in
it
commercially
are
finding
it.
So
it's
some
probably
a
viable
project
as
we
move
into
it.
Slowly,.
G
Good
night,
this
is
the
committee
of
the
whole,
so
can
I
make
a
miscellaneous
I.
Think
everybody
knows
that
tomorrow
night
we
have
a
special
committee
meeting
at
7
o'clock.
It's
ostensibly
a
Planning
and
Development
Committee,
but
really
council
always
works
as
a
committee
of
the
whole.
So
we'll
all
be
here.
It's
a
a
special
meeting
to
discuss
further
the
proposed
retirement
center
focus
for
Simpson
Avenue.
Our
goal
is
to
formulate
an
ordinance
that
we
can
then
begin
the
process
of
three
readings
culminating
in
a
vote
sometime
late
this
year.
G
We've
we've
taken
input
from
proponents
and
opponents
for
several
months
now.
We
continue
to
get
that
and
we'll
continue
to
have
public
comment
throughout
the
rest
of
this
process.
But
tomorrow
night
is
a
committee
meeting
where
Council
will
be
laboring
to
come
to
some
consensus,
so
there
will
be
opportunities
for
input,
but
it's
not
a
public
hearing.
G
As
we've
had
in
the
past
and
council
members,
Debbie
Walker
has
put
together
just
a
proposed
ordinance
just
with
the
basic
language
that
came
to
us
from
from
the
Planning
Commission
I'm,
just
gonna
use
that
as
a
starting
point.
We
can
mark
it
up.
However,
we
want,
but
you
have
one
of
those
just
to
kind
of
start.
The
discussion
with
tomorrow
night,
so
seven.
A
A
D
B
We're
now
gonna
move
into
a
finance
and
Personnel
Committee
are
the
agenda
item
that
I
have
is
reviewing
our
timeline
from
working
on
the
2006
budget.
Everyone
uncounseled
received
a
copy
of
this
last
week
and
Dale
talked
through
this
a
little
bit.
B
So
those
that's
all.
On
the
revenue
side,
we
will
get
different
pieces
of
information
at
different
points
in
time.
We're
not
going
to
have
all
of
that
information
right
now,
because
it
gets
a
lot
clearer
as
we
get
closer
to
the
end
of
the
year
in
the
second
section
is
about
continuing,
spend,
atures
and
allocations.
We
need
to
look
at
the
mix,
how
we
allocate
the
revenue
from
the
income
tax,
how
that
money
is
going
to
flow
into
different
funds.
What
we're
going
to
do
in
terms
of
inheritance
tax?
B
B
Paving
vehicle
and
equipment
replacement,
water
and
sewer
projects
match
money
for
grants,
an
analysis
of
the
condition
of
our
buildings
and
any
other
one-time
expenditures.
So
I
guess,
first
of
all,
are
there
general
areas
that
don't
seem
to
be
reflected
in
this?
So
there
are
other
things
that
we
need
to
be
considering
as
we
go
through
the
process
of
developing
the
budget.
C
I
guess
we're
looking
at
expenditures
and
allocations
of
resources,
we're
not
looking
at
a
department
by
department,
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
personnel
versus
capital
versus
I,
guess,
I
I,
wonder:
okay
in
terms
of
two
one,
for
instance,
general
fund
allocation
I
mean
that
will
cover
everything
really
for
the
most
part
right
and
how
we
divvy
that
up
and
what
we
do
with
it.
Or
is
that
just
that's.
D
B
H
The
current
staffing
that
we
have
funded
in
last
year's
budget
project
that,
with
all
normal
step,
increases
one
of
the
hard
parts
of
that
is
we're
in
negotiation
both
with
police
and
fire.
So
I
have
to
estimate
what
those
settlements
might
be
and
then
just
look
at
that
as
if,
if
revenue
were
stagnant,
I
take
a
look
at
what
we've
got
through
September
of
this
year.
Do
a
little.
D
D
H
And
that's
the
potential
sources
of
revenue
or
expense
depending
upon
who's,
paying
whom
we
also
wanted
to
look
at
in
the
revenue
side,
some
of
the
different
things
that
have
been
stagnant
for
a
number
of
years,
some
of
our
parking
charges
or
full
fines
are
the
same
that
they
were
15
to
20
years
ago.
It's
still
$20
if
you
park
on
the
yellow
line
that
was
15
years
ago.
H
And
then
look
at
what
our
projection
of
the
changes
are
in
the
system
that
we've
instituted
in
early
July
in
our
parking
enforcement
collection
pattern,
which
I
think
through
September
was
up
about
18,000
over
the
previous
year,
which
is
but
this.
This
is
just
starting
and
get
some
projections
on
that.
H
H
But
last
year,
as
you
recall,
the
revenue
side
of
the
finances
were
stagnant
in
the
respect
of
the
income
tax
and
the
fact
by
year-end
came
in
at
a
negative
figure
versus
the
previous
year.
So
nothing
was
done
on
that.
If
the
initial
look
at
that
is
where
we
need
to
really
look
at
that,
because
that
will
then
impact
okay,
am
I
bringing
people
in
at
higher
salaries?
H
H
The
other
side
in
the
expenses
of
is
is
I,
think
Debbie
and
Dale
have
mentioned
in
the
way
they
went
down
through.
That
is.
We
have
to
be
able
to
track
those
ongoing
expenses,
and
it
looks
right
now
that
some
of
the
key
elements
are
there
are
energy
based?
The
electric
company
has
already
said
they're
doing
increases
the
gas
from
natural
gas
is
going
up,
let
alone
gasoline
for
our
fuel,
for
our
vehicles
are
going
up.
So
some
of
those
we
have
to
pay
particular
attention
to
also,
along
with
health
insurance
costs.
H
The
only
position
area
that
I
can
really
see
within
the
city
that
we
definitely
need
to
take
a
look
at
because
it
is
a
budgeted
position
and
at
the
time
that
vacancy
was
coming
up.
I
had
told
council,
we
would
not
hire
into
that
this
year
and
I've
not
done
any
advertising
in
the
gis
position.
But
I
have
talked
to
the
county
engineer.
H
H
But
that
needs
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
coordination
that
everybody
else
in
the
city
is
in
their
own
platform,
with
the
email
and
everything
else
and
part
time
wise.
The
government
channel
has
been
monitoring
that
and,
as
it
keeps
growing
because
we're
up
to
probably
130
different
computers
within
the
city
right
now,
and
we
really
need
to
kind
of
look
at
okay.
Can
you
take
the
mechanisms
of
GIS
from
the
standpoint
of
not
collecting
and
massaging
the
data,
but
getting
it
out
to
both
public
and
to
apartment?
H
Heads
put
that
with
the
other
factors
we
have,
and
is
that
something
that
instead
of
the
GIS
position,
we
need
to
have
an
overall
information
technology
position
within
this
with
some
contracting
out
with
ill
Guard
or
others
from
the
standpoint
of
GIS.
So
that's
one.
It's
one
issue
with
where
we're
maybe
reprogramming
existing
positions
and
funds.
The
other
area
that
counsel
was
said
a
number
of
times
they
wanted
to
take
a
close
look
at
was
a
planner.
H
That
would
be
a
new
position.
But
again,
there
is
some
potential
for
revenue
in
that
that
position
too,
and
the
respect
that
there
is
a
value.
But
there's
you
start
out
small
and
go
into
a
learning
curve
on
that
one,
but
that's
something
that
you'll
probably
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
then
if
there
are
other
items,
but
each
department
head
has
been
preparing
their
capital
budgets
for
me,
I've
gotten,
most
of
them
in
hand
now
I
have
a
pretty
good
handle
on
the
expense
side
of
it.
H
I've
got
some
work
yet
to
do
because
I'm
just
not
sure
where
this
gasoline
price
is
going
and
if
we
should
be
really
looking
at
some
alternatives
there.
There
are
special
a
couple
special
projects
that
I've
got
some
task
force.
Recommendations
on
that
I
want
to
be
able
to
make
a
half
hour
presentation
to
Council
on
one
of
those
being
Stroud's
Run
State
Park.
That
task
force
is
pretty
well
done
till
we
want
to
look
at
some
of
those,
but
the
basics
whether
we
have
to
look
at
first
is
funding
our
current
positions.
H
Funding,
for
example,
I
got
the
first
round
of
issue
two
about
funds
for
this
year,
where
I
told
you
about
two,
and
they
have
this
point
ranking
for
it,
and
we
were
funded
by
being
ranked
number
three
or
third
project
in
the
county
with
the
one
around
the
middle
school,
which
received
four
hundred
points.
Well,
the
one
we
just
submitted
got
four
hundred
and
ten
points,
so
it's
just
as
strong
an
application.
So
the
next
step
is
to
work
with
the
county
committee
on
that
and
see.
H
If
you
know
we
can
get
that
next
area
of
West
Union
Street
in
good
shape,
so
that's
sixty
thousand
or
so
that
I
was
in.
There
now
looks
a
little
stronger
for
potential
funding,
but
that's
because
of
my
general
comments,
I
mean
we
have.
We
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
those
specific
fees
or
things
if
you
wish,
but
I
think
you
have
to
do
it
sort
of
in
a
step
by
step.
You
don't
start
out
what
we're
gonna.
Add
five
people
then
figure
out
how
to
do
it.
B
Want
to
double
check
also
on
the
timeline
I
guess
before
we
get
into
a
specific
thing,
we're
looking
at
trying
to
have
a
ordinance
up
for
first
reading
by
December
5th.
This
is
on
the
second
page
of
the
outline,
and
we
have
scheduled
that
the
auditor
thought
she
would
be
able
to
have
some
revenue
projections
by
October.
24Th
I
wanted
to
see
if
that
still
seems
like
a
likely
timeline.
H
B
H
The
third
quarter
came
out
Friday,
or
at
least
that's
what
I
got
now
I
have
to
do
that.
Third
quarter.
Analysis,
just
like
I,
did
the
second
quarter
in
the
multiple
years
for
you,
so
that
you
have
that.
So
you
have
some
good
ideas
of
where
our
expenses
and
revenues
going
through
the
first
nine
months
of
this
year
is
in
comparison
to
at
least
three
plus
other
years.
H
H
I'm
saying
by
by
the
first
of
November
you
will
have,
and
if
we
have
the
auditors
revenue
projections
updated
through
that
a
little
bit
from
when
she
presents
on
the
17
number
xx,
flavor
we're
going
run
for
it,
then
we
could
really
tie
pretty
much
together
and
then
we
got
about
three
weeks
depicted
put
the
package
together.
Okay,.
B
H
B
A
H
B
Guess
if,
and
we've
got
several
committee
meeting
nights
that
we
can
continue
to
work
on
this
as
we've
got
new
pieces
of
information,
the
one
thing
that
the
mayor
suggested
that
I
bring
from
the
Maximus
study
tonight
was
their
recommendations
in
the
area
of
code
enforcement
and
Maximus
is
the
company
that
did
that
cost
allocation
study.
But
they
actually
looked
at
what
services
different
departments
are
using.
That
could
be
built
like
the
how
much
we
charge
for
personnel
services
to
talk
with
departments.
So
that's
one.
B
Whole
piece
of
that
study
is
really
how
we
are
billing
things
internally
from
one
fund
to
another
and
then
the
other
piece.
They
really
looked
at
the
the
fines
and
the
fee
structures
that
are
in
place
and
the
area
where
they
came
up
with
a
lot
of
differences
and
recommendations
is
largely
in
code
enforcement
and
part
of
the
discussion
has
been.
B
This
may
be
a
place
to
look
for
some
of
the
funding
to
hire
a
planner
is
actually
bringing
some
of
the
fees
for
services
from
the
code
enforcement
office
into
line
with
the
actual
costs
that
we
incur
when
people
make
different
applications-
and
you
know
it
requires
a
review
of
city
personnel
and
an
investment
of
our
time.
They've
made
a
list
of
recommendations
where
they
compare
our
current
fee
to
what
it
actually
costs
to
provide
that
service,
and
then
they
have
a
suggested
fee.
B
H
So
long
and
there's
a
building
and
there's
equipment
that
are
in
there
there's
capital
that
we
spent
to
create
the
code
office
and
then
over
what
time
period
should
all
of
that
be
costed
out
and
included
within
the
cost
of
the
fees,
and
that
error
is
the
area
that
Steve
and
I
did
not
consider.
Plus,
we
just
used
our
own
best
judgment
in
saying
how
long
it
took
to
do
things
and
how
the
frequencies
it
set
to
where
they
did
actual
in-depth
employee
interviews,
and
so
that's.
H
What's
the
basis
of
that
is
in
the
full
report
which
which
I
have
it's
got
all
those
mathematical
calculations
and
such
if
anybody
wants
to
look
through
them
all
they're
there
they're
all
the
spreadsheet
analysis
and
data,
but
it
really
boils
down
to
the
sheet
that
debbie
has
passed
out,
which
is
their
recommendation
as
to
the
maximum
to
charge
for
that
in
each
one
of
those
particular
areas.
As
you
can
see,
there's
some
reductions
to
fees
and
there
are
some
increased
fees.
A
A
H
Well,
what
happens
on
most
of
these
that
are
set
up?
Is
that
they're,
usually
with
a
service,
and
this
service
calls
us
and
says
it's
ringing
now
that
goes
back
into
police
are
fried.
Who
has
to
go
out
and
check
it?
So
it's
what
we
were
looking
at
was
to
issue
the
initial
permit
or
do
a
renewal
of
it
and
our
volumes.
There
were
like
twelve
initial
and
a
hundred
and
thirty-eight
annual
reviews
or
annual
renewals
so
and
I.
Don't
remember
that
came
in
low
or
high
low,
a
low.
A
I
mean
I,
don't
really
I
just
want
to
know
what
the
rationale
was
on.
That
I've
got
a
couple
other
questions,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
that
one-
because
we
just
send
it
off
to
an
existing,
they
can
even
dial
nine
on
one
and
bypass
us
right
and
say
that
it's,
but
they
probably
wouldn't.
I
guess
they
wouldn't
down
my
mom
I.
E
A
H
D
A
A
D
H
A
Well
then,
the
big
one
for
me
is
the
Zoning
Board
variance
request,
which
seems
to
me
to
be
pretty
steep
and
I
actually
have
a
second
question
after
this,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
there
have
been
some
decisions
made.
You
know
to
send
not
only
the
code
enforcement
head,
but
also
remember
a
code
enforcement
officer
run
over
time
and
hence
the
price
goes
up
considerably
and
so
I
wonder
just
as
a
citizen
who,
who
many
citizens
would
like
to
have
their
property
rights
confirmed
by
the
Zoning
Board.
A
You
know
what
they
see
as
a
reasonable
use
of
their
property,
and
this
does
seem
a
tad
high.
Having
sat
true
then
made
me
want
to
pay
the
Zoning
Board
members
each
$500
a
night
because,
okay,
you
know
sometimes
just
the
pure
tedium
of
it
all
three
people
in
this
council
could
probably
attest
to
that.
But
having
said
that,
I
wonder
if
there's
not
an
intermediate
spot
or
a
different
way
to
organize
or
deploy
our
personnel
to
not
incur
such
a
large
charge
for
such
an
important,
and
you
see.
B
A
A
Chooses
to
sin
or
the
head
of
the
toy
enforcement
chooses
to
send
another
Kota
officer
along
with
him.
The
officer
himself
I
mean
that's
pretty
pricey,
and
so
you
know
maybe
it
has
to
come
on
this
travel
budget
or
something
I.
Don't
know
who
knows
what?
Where
it
would
come
from
that
just
that's
the
only
one
that
really
sticks
in
my
throat,
not
that
I've
ever
asked
for
one,
but
it
just
seems
that
people
would
like
to
I
mean
often
do
and
it's
tedious,
but
it's
local
government.
A
C
A
B
C
H
Think
that
the
only
one
that
is
a
major
that
it
really
is
important
to
look
at
from
the
standpoint
of
it's
an
annually
build
fee
is
the
rental
inspections,
as
we
bill
that
in
December.
That's
when
those
bills
start
going
out
for
payment
in
January,
the
others
are
almost
I.
Think
to
a
couple
of
these
renewal
of
permit
type
things
which
again
are
on
an
a
in
the
basis
are
created
by
working
activities
that
are
going
on.
E
H
Well,
let's
see
this
is
part
of
the
thing
gets
back
into
the
Zoning
Board
requests.
Reviews
I
mean
just
reviewing.
The
application
is
one
you
know
one
facet,
but
well
then,
if
it's
rejected
and
the
person
decides
to
appeal,
there's
usually
monthly
meetings
with
that
person
and
that's
what
it's
not
just
at
the
Zoning
Board,
that
the
time
gets
chewed
up
a
lot,
and
a
lot
of
that
is
the
director
really
has
a
cost
savings
move.
H
We
did
more
of
the
we
used
to
have
a
person
that
was
a
half-time
or
better
and
was
assigned
to
a
lot
of
different
boards
and
commissions,
and
that's
all
they
did
was
take
minutes
and
notes.
But
then,
when
that
position
became
vacant
each
one
of
those
different
departments
then
took
over
some
of
those
and
depending
upon
who
could
do
it
in
each
one,
did
the
costs
and
then
there
are
nights
or
their
overtime.
H
You
know,
or
the
person
takes
comp
time
for
it,
but
you
have
to
tell
it
the
same
way
from
a
cost
standpoint,
but
yeah
we
can
break
down
and
it's
broken
down
in
appendix
3
page
10
of
the
detail.
As
to
the
hours,
and
because
it
really
is
the
director
and
the
code
inspector
resolve
all
the
time,
it's
really
as
well.
A
Yeah
and
I
just
think
it's
not
I
mean
I,
think
it's
a
choice
of
allocation
of
resources
that
somebody
has
made
sort
of
sareth
forward
and
I
just
think.
It's
there
other
ways
to
do
it.
I
also
followed
up
Carole's
comment.
I
think
it's
very
was
very
correct
and
I
would
say
that
if
you
check
Fairfield
County
and
some
of
the
other
counties
around
us
that
some
of
the
fees
that
we've
had
nothing
on
now
are
going
to
150
are
low,
I
mean
we
are
low
compared
to
them.
H
Well,
compare
that's
a
different
type
of
analysis.
I
mean
that's
what
we've
done
some
times
in
the
past,
but
it's
just
like
the
city
of
Marietta
right
now
is
coming
to
us
and
say:
let's
which
we're
trying
to
put
together
a
housing
inspection
saying
teaches
how
you
do
it.
I
mean
we're
the
leader
than
some
of
these
things.
A
H
What
are
you
saying,
the
peers
out
there
are
coming
to
us
in
some
of
those
areas
and
saying?
How
do
you
functionally
do
this,
because
really
a
housing
building
and
inspection,
a
really
housing
inspection
office,
the
size
that
we
have
is
unique
within
the
state
of
Ohio
in
Bowling
Green's,
been
to
see
us
Marriott
has
been
to
see
us
Portsmouth
been
to
see
us
I
mean
you
may
not
look
at
them,
hesitant
as
the
some
of
the
leaders
in
the
field
with
the
rest
of
the
state
knows,
I
mean.
A
H
Court
held
that
our
analysis
was
one
based
upon
cost
and
therefore
all
this
is
a
saying
instead
of
doing
this
in
finally,
we've
now
hired
an
outside
firm,
who
is
a
recognized
cost
allocation
and
does
it
for
almost
every
county
in
the
state
of
Ohio
and
establishes
overtime
about
overtime,
but
overhead
rates
for
almost
every
county
ever
made
of
Ohio
and
many
municipalities,
I
mean
actually
I
think
gives
more
weight
to
the
fact
that
yep.
This
is
what
we're
really
spending
on
it.
H
I
mean
what
you
can
always
elect:
that
okay,
the
Zoning
Appeals
or
such
general,
and
nature
that
you
don't
feel
that
there
should
be
much
of
a
charge
for
it.
That's
council's
decision
I'm
just
saying
the
way
we're
operating
it
now
and
the
way
it's
doing.
This
is
what
it's
costing
us.
That's
all
this
report
really
culture
so.
B
B
A
The
mayor
just
said
that
he
had
to
have
something
very
early
in
December
and
then
he's
part
of
these
so
other
than
the
Zoning
Board,
which
is
an
administrative
decision
to
use
their
resources.
The
way
they've
chosen
to
do
it,
you
know
and
I'd
like
to
have
them,
come
back
and
tell
us
other
than
that.
I
have
no
problem
with
anything.
Maybe
someone
else
here.
G
Don't
necessarily
think
that
a
request
for
a
zoning
variance
is
such
a
common
thing
that
we
could
look
at
the
less
thing,
I
think
it
it's
a
basic
thing
that
a
lot
of
homeowners
see
is
use
of
their
property
rights,
and
some
of
these
homeowners
are
don't
have
a
lot
of
money
to
throw
around
so
think.
We
need
to
keep
that
rate
very
reasonable.
G
Even
a
hundred
dollars
is
maybe
too
much
for
some
people,
but
I,
don't
think
it's
a
allocation
of
resources
having
been
on
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals
and
dealt
with
several
those
cases.
I,
don't
doubt
that
there's
more
than
this
put
into
some
cases
and
then
less
so
this
is
an
average
obviously
by
bright.
It
takes
that
awful
lot
of
time
to
research
for
the
coat
office,
just
as
it
does
for
the
members
of
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals.
Thank
goodness
they're,
not
asking
for.
A
A
B
C
If
we're
on
the
Zoning
Board
thing
right
now,
it's
what
$15
I
don't
know
if
100
I
think
of
hundred
could
be
excessive.
I
there's
two
points
of
it.
One
is
that
there
are
people
out
there
who
are
business,
people
who
are
going
for
the
variances
and
therefore
they
can
absorb
the
cost,
but
there's
other
people
who
who
don't
have
where
with
and
this
isn't.
This
is
their
appeal.
C
E
H
C
H
H
And
we
can
take,
you
know
we
could
have
things
transcribed
if
we
could
record
it.
It
is
obviously
recorded
by
the
government
channel,
but
sometimes
words
get
missed
because
people
it's
Mike's
not
on
and
they're
switching
from
topic
to
topic,
and
it
you
know,
do
you
want
a
verbatim
transcript
or
do
you
want?
This
is
the
essence
of
the
discussion
type
of
a
transcription
and.
B
G
H
Well,
they're
saying
that,
basically,
the
current
revenue
on
all
of
the
fees
on
the
time
period
they
did
was
two
hundred
and
twenty-five
thousand
dollars.
Roughly
our
cost
was
six
hundred
and
ninety
two,
so
we
were
running
a
deficit
in
their
minds
at
four
hundred
and
sixty
seven
thousand
dollars,
and
so
revenue
at
recommended
fee
would
be
three
hundred
and
seventy
seven
thousand,
and
then
we
had
additional
revenue
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
two
thousand
dollars.
H
If
you
took
every
one
of
theirs
and
went
to
exactly
what
their
recommended
fee
was,
which
still
means
you're
subsidizing
that
operations
I'll
have
another
fifteen
thousand
plus,
because
what
they're
saying
there's
enough
general
stuff,
we
do
for
the
public
and
time
spent
on
things
and
internal
buildings,
etc.
That
are
just
a
cost
of
providing
that
service
overall
to
the
residents.
H
When
they
look
at
their
total
costs,
they
go
in
and
say
a
couple
of
things
that
we,
when
you
look
at
the
code
office,
budgeted
it
isn't
six
hundred
ninety
two
thousand
dollars.
It's
in
the
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
range
about
a
five
hundred
thousand,
but
they're
going
in
there
and
saying:
okay,
there's
these
capital
items
I
talked
about
earlier,
but
there's
also,
how
do
they
get
their
paychecks?
How
do
all
their
bills
get
paid?
It's
the
auditor's
office.
H
H
You
know
cases
for
court,
so
some
percentage
of
the
law
directors
time
in
their
their
general
administration
by
my
office
and
the
personnel
director.
So
there
is
a
whole
cost
allocation
analysis
done,
citywide
that
even
where
we're
not
charging,
we
don't
charge
the
code
office
for
the
auditors
time,
but
in
this
analysis
to
determine
the
real
cost
of
doing
business
in
that
who
think
they
do.
C
C
E
H
Different
there's
two
different
books:
three
different
books
really,
but
there
is
one
that
has
just
have
a
training
center
and
recreation
in
it
and
codons.
Okay,
then
there
is
another
overall
cost
allocations
books
done
under
two
methodologies:
one
for
federal
required
reporting
if
it's
ever
reimbursable
overhead
cost
and
there's
another
one
that
is
done
for
establishing
the
fees
and
internally
was
approved
by
the
state
of
all
time.
So
on
that
one
is
where
we
come
up
with.
This
is
the
cost
of
the
code
office
and
I.
H
Have
those
in
my
office
I
think
I
dropped
one
off
to
Dale,
but
whether
it
was
as
the
auditor's
office
would
say
highly
technical
and
there
was
real
questions
in
methodology,
even
in
my
mind,
with
respect
to
how
do
you
count
a
full-time
versus
a
part-time
employee
from
a
payroll
standpoint?
It
doesn't
matter,
you've
got
the
same
amount
of
time
invested
in,
but
for
a
lot
of
other
stand
points,
there's
a
lesser
amount.
H
B
I
B
The
other
question
that
came
up
when
we
spoke
this
afternoon
was
in
looking
at
these
kind,
this
kind
of
assessment
of
costs,
whether
we
want
to
actually
do
that
with
some
of
the
department's
would
council,
rather
than
council,
and
the
administration
trying
to
figure
out
what
it
costs
for
water
and
sewer.
Would
it
make
sense
to
hire
to
do
a
study
like
this
on
on
those
costs
to
actually
have
somebody
look
at
the
service
that
we're
providing
and
what
it
costs
to
provide
that
service
right?
B
I
That's
a
question:
yeah
I,
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
It
provides
a
transparent
and
rational
basis
to
make
a
change.
If
you
feel
like
you
need
to
make
a
change,
that's
what
the
reports
we're
talking
about!
I
I
think
do
that
they,
it
can
be
readily
explain
to
someone
why
something
calls
for
it.
It
does
not.
I
I
H
For
examples,
if
you're
talking
water
or
sewer
from
the
standpoint
of
there's
a
lot
of
engineering
firms
that
do
cost
analysis
based
because
I
owed
be
a
loans
which
we
have
a
few
others,
and
so
they
have
the
ability
to
go
in
and
do
something
like
with
water
and
sewer
that
would
be
just
to
cover
all
your
debt
service
is
a
normal
maintenance
and
some
other
things.
This
is
what
you
need
to
do
over
a
period
of
time.
I
I
B
H
I
A
B
I
I
have
one
the
auditor
doesn't
know,
I'm
gonna
ask
her
just,
but
it's
something
we
have
talked
about
before
we've.
We
have
had
several
discussions
of
changes
to
the
municipal
income
tax
we've
they've
been
reported
on
I
feel,
like
that's,
been
in
the
in
the
discussion
phase
for
long
enough,
I'd
like
to
move
those
ahead.
If
everybody's
okay,
with
that
I
mean
when
they
have
to
read
them
three
times
and
they
and
they
only
I
mean
they
really
wouldn't
have
an
impact
till
further
out.