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A
Okay,
welcome
to
Athens
City
Council,
it's
about
seven
o'clock
on
September
12th.
This
is
a
meeting
nigel
and
council
will
be
meeting
in
committee
sessions.
We
have
three
committees
that
are
meeting
tonight,
planning
and
development,
which
will
begin
in
just
a
half
a
minute
here:
the
arts
and
Recreation
Committee
and
finance
and
personnel.
It's
been
probably
six
weeks
since
you've
had
committee
meetings.
We
have
quite
a
long
agenda,
so
we're
gonna
try
and
move
it
fairly
rapidly.
A
The
first
item
on
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
meeting
is
a
report
to
us
from
national
church
residences
developers
for
the
proposed
Retirement
Center
and
Stimson
Avenue.
They
would
like
to
come
to
us
an
update
us
on
what's
been
happening
with
that
project
in
the
almost
two
months
since
we've
spoken
with
them
last.
This
is
not
a
meeting
at
which
we
will
have
intense
discussions
which
might
lead
to
an
ordinance.
We
hope
to
schedule
that
meeting
soon.
This
is
really
just
a
let's
listen
to
the
information.
A
If
council
members
have
pertinent
questions,
please
please
feel
to
answer
them,
but
we're
not
going
to
get
into
a
lot
of
give-and-take
tonight.
I
see
that
coming
in
the
near
future
same
with
audience
members,
if
you
have
something
you
can't
wait.
Certainly
it's
an
open
meeting
but
we'll
have
a
chance
for
a
more
full
discussion
in
2-3
weeks,
okay
in
CRC
go
ahead.
B
Members
of
council
he
was
Jerry
quia
chief
operating
officer
for
national
church
residences,
Health
Care.
Over
the
past
two
years,
we
have
been
working
with
a
wonderful
and
vibrant
group
of
Athens
residents
interested
in
the
provision
of
a
continuing
care
retirement
community
in
this
region.
The
journey
has
involved
discussions
with
Ohio
University
and
several
public
meetings
with
residents
of
Athens
students,
business
owners
and
city
council.
We
NCR
feel
the
process
has
been
thorough
and
beneficial
to
us
as
developers
in
an
effort
to
come
to
a
resolution
that
best
serves
this
community.
B
Since
we
began
this
process,
NCR
has
been
busy
across
the
country
opening
ten
new
facilities
for
affordable
and
middle-income
seniors.
With
an
additional
18
under
development.
We
have
initiated
expansion
of
all
five
of
our
health
care
properties,
including
the
opening
of
two
new
home
health
care
agencies
serving
over
150
people
daily.
The
NCR
board
is
committed
to
quality
growth.
We've
been
busy
on
many
fronts,
as
have
each
of
you.
Despite
our
growth,
the
project
here
in
Athens
remains
a
priority
for
our
organization.
We
believe
the
need
for
it
remains
and
will
remain.
B
We
respect
your
thoroughness
and
stand
ready
to
build
a
project
that
will
serve
the
citizens
in
a
way
that
will
add
value
to
the
community
at
large.
I
wanted
to
take
just
a
minute
to
describe
the
project
as
it
has
been
planned.
The
emphasis
of
the
facility
is
independent,
living
with
the
availability
of
supportive
services.
The
project
would
have
a
total
of
151
units
115
or
76%
as
one
and
two-bedroom
apartments
with
four
cottages,
a
36
unit,
assisted
living
facility
would
be
available
and
be
built.
B
B
It
would
be
our
desire
to
add
a
small
number
of
nursing
home
beds
if
and
when
they
become
available
in
the
future.
We
maintain,
however,
that
a
full
array
of
services
will
be
available
on
the
site.
A
continuum
of
care
will
exist.
No,
we
initially
will
have
no
Medicaid
reimbursement
and
Medicare
coverage
for
services
would
be
through
home
health
care
agency.
B
You've
heard
me
on
more
than
one
occasion
use
the
term
lifestyle
choice.
National
statistics
demonstrate
that
in
a
market
rate
independent
housing
project,
the
majority
of
residents
who
enter
the
community
are
75
years
of
age
and
over
and
generally
over
50
percent
are
single.
We
anticipate
many
couples.
Some
in
their
60s
may
choose
this
accommodation,
but
would
doubt
that
it
would
be
the
majority.
B
Our
emphasis
remains:
aren't
independent
lifestyle
aided
by
facilities
for
exercise,
restaurant
style,
dining
and
a
superb
location,
the
access
to
assisted
living
home
health
and
memory
care,
Alzheimer
services,
our
healthcare
support,
primarily
for
those
who
have
selected
an
apartment
for
their
long-term
residents.
I
have
heard
much
discussion
and
read
a
little
more
in
the
Athens
messenger,
about
University
of
States
I
personally
have
known
the
president
of
healthcare
facilities
out
of
Lima
for
over
20
years.
Jim
unbirth
is
a
good
man
and
is
a
leader
in
the
health
care
field.
B
From
what
I
can
discern
the
project
sounds
exciting
and
should
meet
many
needs
in
the
community
through
upscale
homes
and
a
state-of-the-art
nursing
facility.
We
simply
suggest
that
our
proposed
facility
meets
different
needs
and
I
believe
could
effectively
coexist
with
our
neighbors
at
University
estates.
Most
of
our
previous
discussions
have
centered
around
the
site
and
its
suitability
for
development.
We
respectfully
request
that,
as
we
endeavor
to
answer
the
remaining
concerns
in
this
area,
that
council
consider
a
resolution
allowing
us
to
proceed.
B
We
believe
that
our
proposed
facility
will
be
an
asset
to
the
Athens
community
and
the
citizens
it
serves.
We
thank
you
for
your
continual
consideration
of
its
merits.
Now,
I
would
like
to
ask
Jorge
Berardi
abroad.
He
partners,
architects
and
John.
Renick
II
project
ends
engineer
from
EMH
T
to
describe
the
results
of
soils,
testing
and
flood
modeling
that
had
been
conducted
over
the
last
six
weeks.
First,
we'll
ask
Josh
to
step
forward
good.
C
C
We
were
suggested
at
the
direction
of
the
city
of
Athens
to
use
the
Army
cores
most
recent
modeling
of
the
Hocking
river
and,
through
the
analysis
of
that
model,
we
are
able
to
alter
the
cross
sections
of
the
stream
of
the
river
as
they
cross
through
the
NCR
site,
and
with
that
modeling
we
are
then
able
to
represent
the
proposed
fill.
That
would
be
necessary
to
elevate
the
structures
above
the
100-year
flood
elevation
and
then
from
that
assess
the
impact,
if
any,
on
the
100-year
flood
elevations,
due
to
the
fill
being
placed
in
the
floodplain.
C
C
That
I
will
happily
provide
as
well
for
the
city,
council
and
city
administrative
staff
to
review
through
that
analysis
again,
which
is
summarized
in
the
report
which
includes
mapping
of
the
area,
the
increase
in
100-year
water
surface
elevations
is
0.02
feet,
which
is
approximately
a
quarter
inch
and
that's
the
only
impact
from
this
particular
project
and
that's
really
about
all.
We've
got
from
the
model,
technical
modelling
analysis
and
again
we
have
copies
of
the
report
that
we
can
provide
in
both
hardcopy
and
electronic
format
and
I'll
now
hand
it
over
to
mr.
George
Berardi.
C
Oh,
we
do
also,
as
part
of
the
technical
written
report,
have
mapping
that
was
initially
provided
by
the
US
Army
Corps
of
Engineers.
It
is
a
GIS
formatted
map
which
was
prepared
than
by
folks
at
mhin
T
that
actually
got
their
geography
masters
from
Hawaiian
University.
So
when
I
said
I
was
coming
down
here,
they
were
asking
for
me
to
look
for
people
that
they
knew
so
I
could
say
hello
for
them.
D
Members
of
council
I'm
George
Berardi
the
primary
emphasis
of
our
involvement,
since
the
last
time
was
really
to
analyze
the
basic
structure
involved
and
one
of
the
primary
elements
necessary
for
us
was
to
obtain
soils
analysis.
So
we
completed
soils,
investigation
of
the
entire
area
of
the
site
where
we
would
have
our
building
and
it
was
primarily
related
to
the
corners
of
the
buildings
associated
with
areas
close
to
easements,
but
primarily
the
corners
were.
D
There
was
some
concern
previously
with
regard
to
subsurface
impact
of
the
superimposed
loads
that
we're
talking
about
effectively
geotechnical
consultants
of
Columbus
again
completed
a
variety
of
tests,
number
one
soil
borings,
exactly
as
they
were
asked
to
in
the
locations
of
the
building
and
completed
some
additional
soles
analysis,
reviewed
soil
structure,
obviously,
as
part
of
their
a
complete
study
for
us.
Their
conclusion
was
that
we
do
have
some
not
very
good
soils
in
some
areas
of
the
building
pad
and
much
as
I
much
as
I
had
discussed
during
previous
meetings
and
presentations.
D
One
of
the
things
that
they
did
suggest
was,
rather
than
increasing
some
of
our
costs
by
developing
greater
structure.
To
be
able
to
sustain
the
superimposed
loads
is
to
simply
remove
some
of
the
soils
and
replace
them
with
compactable
materials.
So
there
are
a
number
of
methods
that
are
available
to
us
number.
D
One,
as
I
said,
would
be
to
remove
some
of
the
unusable
soils
and
replace
them
with
suitable
fills
same
quantities,
but
usable
fills
that
could
be
compacted
to
levels
that
the
super
imposed
loads
would
be,
or
that
would
be
able
to
support
the
superimposed
loads
or
come
back
in
with
a
variety
of
foundation.
Systems.
I'll
mention
several
large
spread:
footings,
caissons,
pilings.
It
isn't
unusual
on
buildings
of
this
nature
to
have
pilings
effectively.
You
would
have
pilings
at
critical
points
in
the
building
and
then
you
would
span
between
the
pilings.
D
For
example,
if
the
pilings
were
located
at
25
feet
on
center,
you
would
span
between
those
with
what
we
refer
to
as
grade
beams,
which
are
large,
concrete
structures
that
span
between
the
pilings
and
then
we
build
our
building
on
top
of
that.
So
again,
as
I
as
I
indicated
in
previous
meetings,
there
are
means
and
methods
by
which
we
can
develop
suitable
structural
systems
and
system
with
the
soils
or
again,
as
I
said,
a
replace
a
soil
with
that
I
would
leave
it
open
to
questions.
Thank.
A
You
all
for
your
six
synced
presentation
and
responding
to
the
concerns
that
we
last
spoke
about
again,
I'll
remind
you
that
this
is
not
intended
to
be
a
an
in-depth
meeting
that
will
follow
soon.
However,
if
there
are
some
questions
that
we
need
to
ask
now,
council
members
questions
comments
quickly,.
A
C
D
D
With
regard
to
sewer
easements,
there
are
sewer
easements
that
exist
and
we
will
stay
away
from
a
sewer.
Easements
I
think
that
what
we've
provided
as
a
plan,
which
essentially
comes
back
off
the
sewer
easement,
so
our
buildings
come
off
the
sewer,
easements
and
again,
given
a
foundation
system
that
you
know
we
could
apply
to
this
project.
We
wouldn't
have
any
impact
on
the
lines
within
the
sewer.
Easements
I
know
that
there
was
some
discussion
at
some
point
about
developing
easements
over
50
or
60
feet
wide.
That
would
be
most
unusual.
D
I
mean
I'm
used
to
secondary
roads
being
50
and
60
feet
wide
and
right
away,
but
I've
not
seen
an
easement
I
apologize,
that's
60
feet
wide
I,
don't
think
it's
necessary
I.
Think,
though,
the
one
thing
that
needs
to
be
a
concern
it
should
be
addressed
should
be:
will
the
loads
of
any
buildings
that
we
apply
work
in
concert
with
the
location
of
the
utility
within
that
and
effectively.
If
I
have
an
easement,
that's
20
feet
wide
and
I
have
a
sewer,
that's
10
feet.
D
Deep
I
I
would
not
impact
that
sewer
in
any
way
if
I
built
even
right
up
to
the
easement,
especially
if
I
might
apply
the
structural
system
of
the
building.
If
I
applied,
pilings
or
caissons,
where
I
would
take
my
building
loads
below
the
level
of
the
sewer
that
wouldn't
be
an
impact
whatsoever
on
a
sewer,
those
valuations
haven't
been
completed,
but
again
the
sewer
easements
are
of
record,
they
are
of
record
and
they
exist
today,
and
we
will
continue
to
work
within
the
parameters
of
those
sewer.
D
G
D
That's
where
it
came
from
not
for
us,
and
we
agree
in
principle
as
to
what
the
reason
again
I
you
reported.
What
workmen
in
the
field
may
have
said
rather
than
what
structural
engineers
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
all
that,
given
that
reason
that
you
know
we
will
consider
the
structure
and
the
loading
and
where
we
distribute
those
loads,
that's
most
critical.
If
we
distribute
the
loads
effectively
below
the
sewer
line,
that
wouldn't
be
any
impact
of
the
loads
laterally
to
the
sewers
I.
A
H
I
This
is
a
this
is
an
issue
that
I
have
heard
referenced
sort
of
in
the
conversation,
but
I
think
people
are
despite
the
the
quarter-inch
calculation
I
think.
People
are
still
concerned
about
displacement
and
water
displacement
of
water
in
a
flood
event.
So
it
would
be
my
my
suggestion
that
we
take
the
fill
out
of
the
documented
area
of
the
hundred-year.
I
I
D
But
displacement
is
a
function
of
some
projections.
The
projections
were
based
on
some
fairly
at
you
know.
We
talked
about
just
a
moment
ago
about
the
drainage
plan,
and-
and
there
is
some
analysis-
that's
already
been
completed,
which
addresses
you
know
roughly.
Where
would
the
finished
floor?
Elevation
of
this
be
yeah?
We
didn't
do
complete
modeling
to
show
how
the
site
drains.
We
know
that
if
we
have
our
finished
floor,
elevation
at
a
given
level
and
the
site
is
at
an
average
of
what
it
is.
D
We
know
that
it
will
work,
but
a
detailed
grading
and
drainage
plan
will
have
to
be
produced
yeah,
so
the
modeling
was
based
on
the
amount
of
fill
to
raise
the
building
that
two
feet
by
the
way.
Yeah.
We
have
to
be
mindful
that
we
had
agreed
to
take
the
building
rather
than
one
foot
out
of
the
floodplain
two
feet
so
right.
I
I
Well,
I
hope
you're
able
to
do
that
and
I
think
if
we,
if
we
consider
the
the
floodplain
in
a
very
you
know
it's
we've,
it's
been
mapped
relatively
authoritative
lis,
so
we
kind
of
know
where
it
is
and
there
and
it
extends
outside
the
city
I
mean
so
it
I
guess
I'm,
just
talking
about
the
the
net
displacement
and
thinking
of
the
floodplain
in
a
very
sort
of
large
way,
not
just
localized.
That's
all
I
think
I
made
my
point.
Yeah.
A
We
wouldn't
get
into
it
right
now.
Okay,
and
with
that
in
mind,
are
there
audience
members
who
feel
they
need
to
speak
tonight
or
again
we
will
be
having
a
more
open
discussion
soon.
Our
task
from
here
is
to
just
to
discuss
among
ourselves,
not
tonight,
but
in
the
futures
that's
discuss
among
ourselves.
What
issues
are
most
important
in
some
way
come
to
develop
a
proposed
ordinance.
A
That
then,
would
go
through
three
readings
of
more
discussion,
possibly
amendment
amendments
eventually
leading
to
a
vote
on
this
question,
but
I
see
that
as
a
still
quite
a
process
to
go
through,
and
we
will
have
a
much
more
open
discussion
within
a
couple
weeks.
I
think.
Yes,
if
you
have
something
to
say,
please
come
to
the
microphone.
J
I
A
G
E
G
A
E
E
A
G
A
This
has
been
discussed
at
the
Regional
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Planning
Commission,
and
now
it's
come
to
us
for
discussion
and
approval
through
an
ordinance.
The
person
requesting
this
is
mr.
morritz
and
I'm
gonna
have
him
come
up.
Members
have
received
a
small
packet
and
a
not
very
clear
picture
of
the
site
in
question,
so
we'll
let
mr.
morritz
to
speak
for
a
couple
minutes
and
then
we'll.
K
My
wife
and
I
are
requesting
a
lot
split
over
property,
which
is
located
at
56,
86,
Glen,
Drive
and
Alexander
Township,
and
the
subdivision
of
full
view
heights.
Our
property
is
within
the
three
miles
limit
of
the
city
of
Athens.
Therefore,
that's
why
I'm
here
the
property
is
located
on
the
public
right-of-way
easement
known
as
Glen
Drive.
It
consists
of
seven
and
a
half
acres
in
our
private
residence
over
the
last
15
years,
a
portion
of
our
property
two
and
a
half
acres,
approximately
as
functioned
as
a
second
residence.
K
The
two
and
a
half
acre
portion
has
all
the
utilities
installed,
including
septic
water,
gas
phone
and
electric.
This
section
is
also
addressed
by
the
US
Postal
Service,
as
56
90
Glen
Drive.
Recently,
the
mobile
home
located
there
was
removed.
It
was
my
mother's
residence
for
the
last
15
years
and
at
this
time
it's
our
wish
intent
to
divide
our
property
and
sell
the
primary
residence
with
five
acres
more
and,
if
possible,
build
a
home
on
the
remaining
two
and
a
half
acres.
K
We
have
to
date,
obtained
a
positive
vote
by
the
Athens
County
Planning
Commission,
the
city,
the
Athens
City
Planning
Commission
in
the
Athens
County
Health
Department
in
this
packet
that
I
handed
you.
It
goes
through
those
those
different
public
entities
and
within
the
verbage
of
the
that
documentation.
It
spells
out
the
motion
passed
in
the
the
different
the
different
groups.
K
It's
a
it's
actually
a
public
road,
but
it's
it's
not
a
public
road,
that's
maintained
by
any
government,
the
the
township
or
the
county
or
the
city
of
Athens
doesn't
maintain
this
property.
Therefore,
that's
why
we
needed
the
road
maintenance
agreement
and,
like
I
said
we
have
that
and
lastly,
we
also
needed
the
health
department's
approval
with
the
Health
Department.
K
They
did
approve
the
lot
split
based
on
us
upgrading
one
of
the
septic
systems
and
within
this
packet
I've
got
two
separate
estimates
for
having
that
upgrade
done,
at
which
side
it's
not
done
at
this
time,
I
was
directed
not
to
do
that
by
bob
wykel
and
berg.
Yet
he
said
not
to
go
ahead
and
put
the
money
into
it
until
I
got
a
an
affirmative
vote.
K
So
that's
basically
what
I
have
we
would
like
to
split
our
property
and
sell
our
private
residence.
We
live
in
now
and
build
a
new
home.
The
impact
to
Glen
Drive
would
not
be
any
more
of
an
impact
than
what
we
have
experienced
over
the
last
15
years,
no,
no
increase
in
traffic
on
the
road
and
the
continual
maintenance
and
upkeep
by
the
residents,
which
hasn't
been
a
problem
for
the
entire
time
that
we've
lived
there
and
and
now,
with
the
road
maintenance
agreement.
K
Glen
Glen
Drive
comes
from
right
here.
This
is
full
view
heights,
Road,
okay
down
and
around
this
turn,
and
then
follows
the
property
line
right
up
through
here
and
actually
is
encompassed
by
this
50-foot
easement.
Okay
and
it
joins
back
up.
It
actually
has
access
to
full
view.
Heights
Road
on
both
ends.
Okay,.
K
K
It
was
determined
by
all
of
the
residents
that
they
really
didn't
want
to
go
public
with
the
road
they
they
have
their
reasons,
but
they
would
really
rather
not
go
public
with
the
road
there's.
Some
questions
about
rental
properties
and
different
things
like
that
that
all
of
the
residents
would
just
assume
to
stay
private,
but.
K
K
A
A
K
A
K
There
it's
it's
completed,
there's
three
signatures
on
this
one
and
one:
the
following
sheet
is
a
faxed.
The
property
owner
doesn't
live
here
and
I
had
to
fax
this
to
him
and
he
signed
it
and
fax
it
back
and
at
the
time
that
I
fax,
that
to
him
there
was
already
the
first
signature
on
it.
So
just
the
the
second
signature
is
the
one
that
counts,
and
it's
the
same
thing
with
with
the
maintenance
agreement.
H
A
C
A
K
This
has
been
a
learning
experience
for
me
over
the
past
several
months.
I've
learned
a
lot
about
county
and
city
government
and
it's
very
interesting
so
I
get
I
guess
my
question
now
because
I
just
don't
know
a
lot
about
where
things
go
from
here.
I,
don't
do
this
all
the
time
so
from
from
here
we'll
read
it
at
three
City
Council
meetings,
yes
and
then
it'll
be
voted.
K
A
F
A
H
A
G
Procedure
for
subordination
of
leases,
we
have
a
procedure
for
water
taps
and
we
have
requirements
that
are
spelled
out
in
earlier
ordinances
and
a
person
a
woman
named
Karen
balled
on
peach
Ridge
on
a
lot.
That's
between
the
patent
and
the
ball
lot
is
requesting
water
service.
A
bit
of
history
on
this
would
be
that
at
one
point
we
did
serve
that
sunny
Creek
with
water,
so
the
line
goes
on
the
street
in
front
of
the
house.
We
are
not
in
competition
with
sunny
Creek
at
that
point,
I
think
we've
kind
of
divided
the
territory.
G
You
might
think
that
we
should
encourage
them
to
annex
into
the
city.
The
bottom.
The
sewer
is
a
problem
on
the
outside
of
the
road.
It
may
happen
eventually.
So
what
we
ask
is
that
the
administration
take
a
look
and
send
out
the
people
who
have
the
expertise.
G
The
people
in
this
did
the
test
on
the
line
and
they
found
that
it
will
will
not
degrade
the
service
on
the
property
line,
and
so
I
can
say
having
the
recommendation
of
Ray
Haslett
from
August
29th
that
we
would
grant
this
tap
because
there
is
no
other
option
for
these
people
other
than
possibly
a
sister,
and
that's
not
a
reasonable
option
at
this
point,
especially
not
this
year.
So
if
there
are
no
objections,
I
would
like
to
put
up
an
ordinance
for
Karen
ball
for
a
water
tap
on
peach,
Ridge
Nancy.
G
Very
very
similar
to
old
coach
yeah.
We
actually
will
not
expand,
except
if
they
meet
these
characteristics
in
the
administration.
I'm
spoken
with
ray
hazel
speaking
for
them
recommended
this
that
we
approve
this.
Anybody
have
any
problems
with
it:
okay,
there'll
be
an
ordinance
of
next
Monday.
Second
thing
on
my
agenda
is
a
continuation
of
the
city
plan.
After
we
had
our
city
plan
meeting
citizens
continue
to
meet
together,
I
guess
reflecting
the
reality
that
Athens
isn't
certainly
an
unusual
place.
G
We're
not
only
did
we
have
eight
times
as
many
people
off
for
our
meetings,
but
we
also
have
citizens
that
are
interested
enough,
that
they
continue
to
meet.
There's
the
transit
group,
the
bicycle
people,
and
now
we
have
the
open
space
people
so
a
couple
weeks
ago,
maybe
a
week
ago,
I
just
before
school
started,
I'm
met
with
them
and
I
listened
to
what
they
had
to
say
and
now
I'm
going
to.
Let
them
speak
and
talk
about
what
their
concerns
are.
H
M
My
name
is
melt:
Greek
I
live
at
17,
Hanlon,
Avenue
I'm,
part
of
a
group
of
citizens
have
formed
after
the
last
public
meeting
for
the
Africans
comprehensive
plan
back
in
November
of
last
year.
I
believe,
and
we
are
looking
into
ways
that
we
can
help
implement
the
plan,
especially
as
it
pertains
to
open
space,
green
space
and
environmental
protection
for
the
Riverways
and
view
spaces.
M
Things
like
that
we've
been
meeting
and
we're
continuing
to
meet,
and
one
of
the
things
that
happened
was
that
we
came
to
understand
that
recently,
there's
been
some
difficulties
with
the
definition
of
open
space
as
it
presently
exists,
and
we
thought
that
we
would
try
a
crack
at
to
see
if
there
was
any
way
that
we
could
help
with
that.
Well,
you
have
in
this
handout
is
the
cover
page
is
introduction
to
who
we
are
and
the
listing
of
the
pages.
The
first
page
effort
cover
page
explains
what
the
current
code
changes.
M
M
The
the
open
space
question
becomes
quite
technical
in
places
about
permeability
and
how
you
define
permeability,
and
we
have
some
discussion
there.
I
regret
that
we
don't
have
some
information
here,
that
you
can
contact
us
if
you
have
some
further
questions
about
what
we
meant
by
some
of
these
statements,
but
in
that
case
you
could
either
email
me
through
Greek
at
Ohio
to
you
or
contact
Nancy,
Boehner
Paul
while
and
they
can
connect
you
with
us,
we
don't
mean
to
write
code
for
you.
We
simply
want
to
offer
this
for
your
review
to
see.
I
A
G
M
H
H
F
G
F
E
F
Add
that
when
I
brought
forth
the
proposal
of
rezoning,
the
floodway
as
open
space,
the
Planning
Commission
did
have
a
rather
extensive
discussion
of
open
space.
Definitions
and
I
have
some
other
documents,
some
memo
that
was
from
Wayne
key
about
some
definitions
and
also
some
stuff
from
Bob
Eichenberg.
When
I
was
initially
talking
about
that
and
I'd
be
happy
to
make
copies
of
this
information
also
to
toss
into
the
hopper.
You
can
just
see
what
the
Planning
Commission
has
already
talked
so.
G
We
think
that's
a
fatal
flaw
so
with
since
we've
already
passed
at
them,
they
would
like
to
have
us.
The
solid
waste
district
will
be
meeting
on
Friday
I
believe
both
some
the
planning
committee,
both
gray
and
I,
will
be
at
the
meeting,
we'll
pass
it
and
send
it
back.
But
we
have
a
timeline
which
will
require
it.
The
up
for
reading
the
revised
plan
with
a
composting
in
it
and
both
the
composting
in
it
and
will
have
to
pass
it
under
suspension
to
meet
the
timeline.
Do.
G
G
G
That's
my
so
if
there
any
issues
on
that,
we'll
try
and
get
it
back
to
you
on
Monday,
so
you
can
have
a
chance
to
read
it
before
speed.
Read
it
before
council,
the.
A
G
It's
it's
really
I.
Think
part
of
the
again
the
flavor
of
the
place.
That
recycling
is
what
it
is
today
because
of
citizens
who
initiated
the
activity
way
before
it
was
invoked,
and
we
I
guess
sustain
it
even
after
it
Ward's
town.
Without
then
it
would
have
been
ed,
Newman
and
Tom
O'grady
and
Bob
Eichenberg
and
donna
goodman
people
are
still
here
doing
the
same
thing
that
they
were
the
ones
who
started
recycling
so
now,
there'd
be
a
new
list
of
characters,
but
there
also
a.
H
G
G
As
by
way
of
just
supplementing,
that
commented
remind
was
reminded
that
both
licking
and
oh,
what's,
the
other
Knox
County,
are
having
that
and
it's
funded
by
the
district,
and
so
just
as
the
district
gave
money
to
Jim's
group
to
do
some,
some
seed,
money
or
solid
waste
district
gave
money
to
do
to
subsidize.
It
was.
L
L
G
Knox
counties
and
so
I
think
that
the
solid
waste
district
might
be
persuaded.
I
mean
at
least
I
hope
to
lead
in
some
measure
participate
in
this,
but.
G
Remember
that
there
you
also
are
collecting
tires,
which
is
certainly
a
need
in
this
area.
Charging
I,
think
class
Greenglass.
H
G
They
do
collect
green
gloves
and
definitely
have
on
your
lawn
yeah
I,
take
mine
up
to
Knox
County
myself,
alright,
so
and
then
my
last
comment
has
to
do
with
and
I'm
gonna
just
sandwich
it
in
and
miscellaneous
before
you
get
your
miscellaneous
Jim.
One
of
my
constituents
who
will
remain
nameless,
said
to
me.
I
would
like
you
to
bring
up
the
idea
of
prohibiting
bans
with
amplifiers
in
residential
areas,
and
so
this
is
somebody
who
has
a
legal
background.
G
The
exact
name
will
be
nameless.
Everybody
had
a
everybody,
had
a
I
mean
I,
guess
I'm,
the
only
one
that
got
the
note
and
yeah.
G
F
G
G
A
E
I
put
any
about
boxes,
resolution
ro,
495
and
no
resolution
was
795.
These
are
assessments
of
Kenney
drive
any
drivers
because
fixed
has
to
say
95
actually
closed
in
97
I
think
was
finally
done.
I
put
that
in
there,
because
I
think
this
is
one
way
to
actually
finance
fixing
Jeff
Hill,
one
of
the
cogent
ad
arguments
I've
been
hearing
all
the
time
is
that
the
university
owns
both
sides
of
it
and
therefore
they
would
be
the
most
to
benefit
from
any
improvement
of
it.
E
So
as
a
another
way
to
think
outside
the
box
rather
than
vacated
and
give
it
to
them
is
to
assess
them
for
any
repairs.
We
have
to
do
to
it.
I
put
this
forward
because
we
could
always
use
the
money,
we
could
fix
it
and
we
don't
have
to
give
it
to
them
this
way
the
process
would
be.
We
do
a
resolution
we
would
have
if
they
can
test
it.
You
have
to
have
an
assessment
board.
E
J
A
G
A
And
then
one
quick,
miscellaneous
I'm
going
to
ask
them
there
to
fill
us
in
I,
got
a
an
email
from
Steve,
Pierce
and
I.
Don't
know
we
all
did
about
uptown
Business,
Association
promotion
with
banners
etc
on
gamedays
for
businesses,
which
now
discovered
conflicts
with
some
of
our
code
issues.
So
there's
been
some
discussion
at
the
administration
level.
I
believe
you
want
to
give
us
a
brief
overview
of
that.
N
For
the
sign
ordinance
sections
of
the
of
the
city
code,
there
are
restrictions
on
placing
banners
and
flags
and
such
outside
of
your
building.
You
can
do
it
in
the
display
window
without
any
problem,
but
placing
it
outside
technically
is
a
violation
of
the
city
code
and
what
the
Uptown
Business
Association
wanted
to
do
was
to
during
the
football
season
have
on
displays
outside
on
it.
There
is
an
exception
in
the
code
that
allows
for
a
special
event.
Type
thing
can
be
administratively
given
for
it.
N
The
Steve's
feeling
was
since
you're
talking
about
not
a
one
time
event
such
as
homecoming,
for
example,
you're
talking
about
as
many
football
Fridays
as
there
is.
He
would
feel
more
comfortable
to
either
have
one
input
from
counsel
as
to
whether
they
felt
that
it
was
appropriate,
or
secondly,
but
actual
change
within
the
code
itself,
which
would
be
more
time
constraints.
From
that
standpoint,
we
did
do
I
granted
to
put
flags
where
normally
we
have
the
American
flag
for
this
last
Thursday
Friday
game.
N
N
But
there
since
there's
a
special
event
exemption,
that's
there
and
it
gives
the
administration
the
right
to
do
that.
I
would
at
least
without
some
degree
of
a
committee
discussion
saying
that
they
could.
They
will
take
this.
You
know,
ask
the
Planning
Commission
to
do
it
or
I
can
take
you
to
the
Planning
Commission,
but
in
the
event
for
this
year
come
do
it.
N
But
technically
many
of
those
are
in
violation
that
you
could
do
it
up
to
a
maximum
of
three
times
a
year.
The
code
rig
reads
about
some
of
these
others.
It
reads
about
four
ninety
day
periods
and
only
once
a
year,
so
there's
a
lot
of
the
sign
ordinance
that
are,
we
really
having
a
problem
over
getting
infringed
on
on
the
little
ways
and
how
much
does
codes
codes
really
asking
and
they're
asking
it
through
me
how
much?
How
rigid
should
I
be
in
the
enforcement
of
this?
N
H
C
N
Nothing
to
stop
the
basketball
coach
from
a
fight.
Remember
to
ask
the
same
question
on
another
season
too,
and
that's
part
of
those.
Where
does
it
go?
I
mean
we
have
had
the
ability
to
have
banners
on
their
poles.
We've
done
the
welcome
to
Athens.
For
years
we
put
those
over
the
Richland,
Avenue
Bridge
and
from
time
to
time,
people
will
ask
for
the
21st
anniversary
of
the
College
of
Medicine.
N
Could
we
put
those
banners
up
before
the
40th
anniversary
of
the
College
of
Fine
Arts
or
for
football
times
or
athletic
events,
and
so
some
of
these
things
sort
of
grow,
because
you
loosen
your
rigid
enforcement,
I
guess
of
things
and
say:
well,
that's
appropriate.
It
makes
common
sense
to
do
that.
It
doesn't
really
harm
anything
and
then
gradually
that
happens.
N
It's
just
like
you
have
an
ordinance
out
there
on
the
books
right
now
about
tables
and
chairs
on
public
sidewalks,
and
it's
supposed
to
be
only
on
Court
Street
and
the
street
has
to
be
so
wide.
But
then,
since
that
time,
we've
put
tree
pits
in
certain
areas,
so
the
street
really
isn't
that
wide,
but
more
and
more
businesses
because
they
see
it
in
a
few
places.
They
won't
put
it
everywhere
for
to
give
them
extra
seating
too,
and
you
get
to
a
point
where,
at
what
point?
Do
you
want
to
say
enough?
N
N
Is
that
I
could
schedule
a
different
committee
meeting
later
on
this
year,
Steve
to
go
through
and
say
these
are
the
things
that
have
crept
in
like
there's
side
boards,
that
people
put
out
advertising
the
special
and
put
it
to
okay
as
it's
in
you're
out
close,
but
the
title
of
a
city
street.
Technically,
that's
a
violation,
so
we
could
have
a
real
nice
discussion
with
the
business
community
and
a
lot
of
others
about
the
about
the
overall
issue
that
Steve
is
raising
and
it's
really
one
of
permissiveness
turn
on.
N
N
Well,
no,
not
really
I,
don't
consider
them
to
be
in
violation,
because
it's
a
bracketed
poll
where
we
can
displace
Urton
things
put
the
question:
do
you
know
you
fall
back
on
other
code?
Things
and
part
of
that
is
like
the
banners
we
do
across
court
Street.
Okay,
there
are
certain
rules
that
are
in
there
with
respect
to
advertising.
N
There's
times
the
times,
because
as
a
corporate
sponsorship
of
an
event
until
it's
up,
we
didn't
even
know
that
that
corporate
logo
was
on
there.
Well.
Is
that
technically,
a
violation
of
it
because
you've
got
the
corporate
logo
and
small,
a
smaller
part
being
displayed
there?
You
could
interpret
it
that
it
would
be.
F
N
N
H
L
G
G
I
The
other
thing
about
the
banners
across
is
I
think
they
serve
a
public
good
and
sometimes
the
only
way
that
the
entity
gets.
The
banner
is
that
they
accept
the
corporate
the
little
the
little
things
I'm.
Not
thinking,
though
you
know,
if
it's
the
difference
between
communicating
and
information
in
that
way
or
not,
I'd
rather
opt
towards
communicating
it
and
wink
at
the
Pepsi
sign
or
whatever
it
is
anyway.
I
know
if
that
helps,
but
you
undo
that
subsequent
yeah.
N
N
Sense
of
there
has
been
a
discussion
with
the
up
to
Business
Administration.
You
know
Business,
Association
and
administration
about
these
issues
and
they're
asking
us
questions
too,
and
we
have
to
technically
say
well.
This
is
the
way
the
law
reads.
There
is
a
special
exception
clause,
but
we
would
feel
comfortable
at
least
having
discussed
that
with
City
Council
for
this
year.
You
know
and
then,
if
we
feel
there's
a
real
problem
and
we
need
something
to
straighten
out,
then
we'll
go
to
Council
and
try
to
do
that.
I.
E
E
N
H
H
G
A
G
Full-Blown
discussion-
maybe
the
second
Tuesday
of
next
week
or
whenever
it
is
so.
We
also
talked
some
about,
and
I've
heard
this
from
some
of
my
friends
who
are
in
business.
They
feel
that
sometimes
and
I'm
not
accepted
in
the
same
spot
as
Paul,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
an
unfair
advantage
in
bantering
that
goes
on
in
our
right-of-way,
when
the
units
in
the
university
are
young,
Richland,
Avenue,.
G
Or
when
they
put
up
a
flashing
sign
for
Ohio
Valley
summer
theater,
or
something
like
that,
as
they
did
a
few
years
ago
and
I
heard
specifically
about
that
one
so
I
think
the
right-of-way
is
the
right-of-way
and
even
if
they
want,
even
if
not
they.
But
even
if
there
is
a
request,
it
probably
should
go
through
the
same
procedures,
because
it's
if
they
put
it
up,
they
would
have
been
put
out
a
business
right
away
and-
and
that
was
a
while
ago.
But
there's
some
other
things
like
that
to
go
on
yeah.
G
A
E
Quick
Paul
were
using
in
terms
of
right
away
use
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
that
the
bicycle
group,
the
spokes
council,
I,
think
there's
official
title
we'd
like
to
see
more
bike,
racks,
uptown
and
and
around
businesses.
They
they
talked
about
how
bad
crocuses
was
there's
behind
the
how
of
the
building,
but
there's
very
limited
amount
of
space
on
the
street
on
Court,
Street
and
they've
been
told
that
they
can't
put
not
that's
enforced
again.
E
A
C
E
G
L
Right
I
will
try
to
these.