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B
C
B
B
F
B
Meeting
issues
on
there
and
I
need
to
remind
people
that
this
committee
meetings
are
work
sessions
for
counsel
and
administrators
and
members
of
the
public
who
are
presenting
to
them
so
to
really
be
a
discussion
between
council
members
in
this
instance
law,
director
hunter
and
others.
So
there
will
most
likely
not
be
an
opportunity
for
citizen
input
this
evening.
However,
at
later
points
in
the
discussion
of
each
of
these
items,
obviously
there'll
be
plenty
of
time
for
citizens
comments.
B
Our
first
item
on
the
agenda
is
discussion
about
a
proposed
ordinance
regarding
the
Retirement
Center
Planned
Unit
development
on
Stimson,
Avenue,
councilmembers
I,
believe
are
all
in
possession
of
proposal
from
the
law
director.
Mr.
hunter
is
here
to
talk
to
us
for
a
while
about
that
proposal.
Thank.
G
By
my
Jim
to
review
twenty
conditions,
that
council
was
considering
placing
on
the
for
their
adoption
of
the
plan
developed
by
national
church
residences
on
Stimson
Avenue,
a
Planned
Unit
development
in
looking
at
those
conditions
it
it
I
did
several
things.
I
want
to
indicate
to
council
what
I
did.
G
First
of
all,
I
consulted
with
Steve
Pierson
of
director
of
code
enforcement
with
the
city
to
get
the
city
administration's
input
on
what
the
status
of
the
development
was
and
to
talk
with
in
depth,
an
individual
that
is
more
familiar
with
the
actual
mechanics
of
the
workings
of
the
administration's
process
in
proving
a
Planned
Unit
development.
It
needs
to
be.
G
You
need
to
be
aware
that
I'm
not
involved
as
a
law
director
in
the
direct
approval
process
for
planning
and
development
and
have
not
been
directly
involved
in
this
process
up
until
the
present
time,
the
what
I
did
was
to
review
your
draft
ordinance
and
the
20
conditions
to
possibly
suggest
to
you.
What
I
felt
was
acceptable.
G
Your
council
to
consider-
and
in
looking
in
that
light,
where
you're
adding
new
conditions
I,
look
to
see
whether
those
conditions
are
outside
the
parameters
of
what
the
Planning
Commission
has
considered,
but
within
their
intent
or
something
that's
Planning,
Commission
considered
and
decided
not
to
take
advantage
of
if
it's
completely
outside
the
parameters
of
what
should
be
considered.
I'm
recommending
that
you
delete
that
condition
from
the
ordinance
is
one
that
would
would
probably
not
be
appropriate.
G
In
my
opinion,
to
place
in
the
ordinance
is
the
recommendations
that
I
make
to
you
tonight
obviously
involve
value
judgments
from
my
office
they're
my
best
opinion
based
on
whether
or
not
some
of
these
things
should
be
in
and
whether
or
not
they're
consistent
enough
with
the
Planning
Commission's
intent
to
be
adopted
simply
by
a
majority
vote
of
council.
If
they're
not
consistent
enough
with
what
the
Planning
Commission
was
intending
or
doing,
then
it's
going
to
take
a
3/4
vote
of
council
to
amend
those.
G
Think
you
need
to
be
very
clear
in
your
legislation
as
to
what
the
background
is
for
those
you
do
that
in
the
warehouses,
so
Steve
and
I
have
considerably
added
to
the
where,
as
is
probably
another,
seven
or
eight,
where,
as
I
said
you
can,
you
can
read
to
the
ordinance
the
conditions
I'm
just
going
to
get
down
through
them.
One
at
a
time
and
read
them:
we've
also
suggested
to
you
specific
language
for
the
ordinance.
G
If
there's
some
intent
on
council
to
modify
it,
you
could
modify
it
if
it
is
adopted
by
a
3/4
majority
of
council,
then
all
of
the
conditions
that
I
have
placed
in
the
ordinance
would
go
into
effect
if
it's
adopted
by
less
than
three-fourths
of
a
majority
of
council.
Those
conditions
that
require
a
three-fourths
passage
would
end
up
being
deleted
from
the
ordinance
and
only
those
conditions
that
only
required
how
much
II
voted
council
would
be
would
remain
in
the
ordinance
very
sure
is.
B
G
H
G
G
So
it
should
be
aware
that
my
concept
in
reviewing
these
was
to
as
much
as
possible
give
the
credence
to
what
councils
desires
were
in
considering
these
conditions.
So
if
anything,
I
try
to
err
on
the
side
of
including
them
rather
than
excluding
them,
there
are
a
few
that
I
felt
we're
not
appropriate.
This
was
this.
One
was
okay,
though
the
third
one
was
there
any
questions
or
comments.
G
The
third
one
is
National.
Church
residences
will
provide
a
final
site
development
flat
prior
to
beginning
the
building
process.
This
plat
will
will
be
filed
along
with
a
certified
copy
of
this
ordinance
with
the
Athens
County
Recorder.
The
railroad
berm
is
to
remain
or
be
replaced
if
it
is
altered
during
construction.
G
G
E
C
G
Mmm-Hmm,
in
this
case,
you're
requiring
a
plat
be
done
and
filed
and
I'm
saying
it's
okay
to
do
that
and
that
particular
one
I'm
saying
is
probably
enough
and
within
the
intent
of
the
Planning
Commission,
mainly
because
it's
historically
what's
been
done,
these
cases
to
do
it
by
a
majority
vote.
It's
something
some
of
these
things
fall
within
the
purview
of
what
the
administration
could
do
automatically
on
your
behalf,
but
I
see
no
harm
and
counsel
in
some
cases,
putting
them
in
the
ordinance.
Also.
G
H
E
H
H
G
I
E
G
G
G
Those
are
things
you
may
have
to
address
in
the
future
if
we
think
there
are
shortcomings
and
I'm,
not
necessarily
disagreeing
with
you
in
that,
but
I
can
only
deal
with
the
law.
That's
on
the
books
at
the
present
time
and
the
procedure
we're
following
right
now.
We're
only
talking
in
this
particular
one,
though
about
the
plat
and
I,
have
approved
that,
for
as
a
condition,
condition
number
for
national
church
residences
will
provide
a
connector
to
the
bike
path
from
Morris
Avenue
again
generally.
G
I
found
that
to
be
satisfactory,
I
did
think
it
needed
to
be
specific
as
to
who
builds
and
maintains
it
and
I
felt
that
a
passage
by
majority
vote
of
council
will
cause
the
inclusion
of
that
when
I
thought
again,
it
was
very
probably
within
store.
The
intent
of
the
Planning
Commission,
the
language
we're
proposing
to
you.
G
Steve
in
my
office,
is
construct,
construct
a
bike
path,
connector
to
be
maintained
by
the
owner
or
less
lessee
holder
from
Morris
Avenue
to
the
existing
bike
path,
with
the
design
and
location
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Athens
city
service,
Safety
Director,
so
we're
proposing
language
to
you,
that
would
say
the
owner
or
lease
holder
would
build
and
maintain
it.
The
the
connector,
because
I'm
assuming
this
connector
is
wholly
within
their
property
to
it.
G
G
C
G
1900S
they
were
done
by
a
custom
and
privately
and
people
just
granted
them,
and
they
weren't
recorded
in
many
cases,
but
after
they've
been
used
for
a
number
of
years
and
so
forth
become
a
part
of
it.
If
they're
located
in
our
streets,
we
automatically
have
easements
for
them
within
our
own
streets,
and
even
if
we
vacate
streets,
they
still
remain
those
easements.
This
particular
case
I
asked
Steve.
If
he
could
check
on
the
location,
modern
history's,
most
I'm,
going
to
ask
him
to
indicate
what
he
found
down
and
that
particular
case
right.
I
The
main
utility
that
I
looked
into
was
the
relief
sewer,
because
I
knew
that
there
had
been
some
concern
about
people
in
that
part
of
town
that
this
project
might
compact.
The
existing
sewer
lines
were
there
and
I
found
a
copy
in
the
mayor's
office
of
all
the
easements
that
were
reported
with
the
plan
approval
for
the
relief
sewer
that
process
started
actually
in
1991
obtaining
some
of
those
easements
and
there's
a
complete
set
of
documents
pertaining
to
that
and
the
recorded
easement
in
the
mayor's
office.
I
The
storm
line,
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
the
storm
line
that
runs
down
through
the
project,
is
actually
part
of
the
flood
control
project
constructed
by
the
Corps
of
Engineers.
That
storm
sewer
that
goes
down
through
there
is
actually
belongs
to
them,
and
if
there
is
an
easement
recorded
for
that,
I
wasn't
able
to
find
it.
That
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
it
doesn't
exist,
but
that
is
a
separate
easement
between
on
that
particular
property
of
the
Ohio
University
and
the
Conservancy
District.
I
D
I
H
What
we
were
talking
about
before,
but
the
some
of
the
sewer
workers
were
concerned
about
the
nature
of
the
soil
and
actually
I
think
this
is
in
here
just
to
be
quite
frank
about
it,
because
we
thought
that
maybe
they
didn't
know
enough
about
the
soil
and
that
they'd
get
into
it
and
figure
out
that
it
well,
they
did
find
out
what
the
soil
was,
that
it
wasn't
really
very
good.
It
was
more
of
a
buyer.
Beware
kind
of
thing
right.
G
I
Even
though
we
may
have
an
easement,
it's
only
20
feet
wide.
We
may
have
a
utility,
that's
at
a
depth
where
that
laying
back
of
the
bank
without
a
trench
box
require
that
over
dig
on
each
side.
But
as
we
go
down
in
depth,
we're
also
required
or
a
contractor
is
required
to
box
that
utility
off.
So
you
don't
have
a
bank
collapse.
I
Some
of
the
discussion,
I
think
from
the
utilities
department
was
that
if
we
didn't
use
a
trench
box
to
work
on
a
very
deep
utility,
you'd
have
to
lay
the
bank
back
at
a
certain
distance.
So
I
think
their
comment
was
based
on
not
using
safety
measures
that
normally
are
required.
The
trench
box
for
deep
excavation
and.
G
H
G
It
in
the
the
conditions
again
thinking
it
was
probably
an
important
enough
notice
that
it's
okay
to
be
in
the
condition
I
did
rewrite
it
slightly.
Steve
and
I
actually
rewrote
it,
and
it
now
reads
there
shall
be
no
disturbance
of
any
public
utilities,
including,
but
not
limited
to
water
lines,
sewer
lines
or
storm
lines,
nor
encroachment
into
any
easements
of
records
or
by
use
for
said
utilities
unless
specifically
authorized
by
a
'then
city
service
safety.
G
A
H
G
To
you
again,
it's
it's
it's
fairly
obvious,
but
I.
It's
that
you
need
to
make
sure
you
determine
where
the
way
is
and
before
you
begin
actual
construction.
So
I
found
that
to
be
satisfactory
and
again
part
of
the
normal
kind
of
review
process
within
the
intent
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
I'd
simply
recommend
it
yeah.
There
is
it's
kind
of
another
one
who's
noticed
kind
of
things,
but
I,
probably
a
little
bit
stronger
than
a
notice
cuz.
They
actually
have
to
affirmatively.
Do
something
specifically
on
this.
G
One
I
put
determine
the
location
of
the
Stimson
Avenue
right
away
and
not
encroach
thereon
without
the
express
consent
of
the
city.
Count.
City
Council,
my
ordinance
because,
as
you
know,
I've
previously
ruled
all
in
council
can
allow
encroachments
upon
City
right
of
life,
and
that
was
been
my
rule
for
15
years
or
so.
Council
routinely
considers
matters
of
encroachments
upon.
So
the
administration
is
well
aware
that
that
only
council
can
allow
encroachment
upon
City
right
of
way,
probably.
I
While
going
through
that
to
Mike
my
thoughts,
were,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
building
encroachment
on
the
morris
right
away
for
the
building
in
some
of
the
parking
to
be
located
there.
What
I
thought
was
councils
intent
was
to
not
allow
any
encroachment,
particularly
on
that
Morris
Avenue
right
away,
without,
as
Gary
mentioned,
permission
of
counsel,
okay
and.
H
H
There's
a
different
right-of-way
there,
because
in
its
forty
feet,
as
opposed
to
almost
nothing
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
everyone
was
on
notice
of
that,
because
the
plans
from
ODOT
say
that
clearly,
with
the
Simpson
Avenue
bridge,
they
gave
us
40
feet
on
both
sides
and
that's
a
notice
thing
again.
Yeah.
G
Again
I
found
that
something
that
council
could
do,
but
I
also
found.
It
was
something
that
probably
the
Planning
Commission
could
consider,
but
it
apparently
chose
not
to
consider
and
so
I
had
a
hard
time
saying
was
within
their
intense
and
that
when
I
I
really
think
you're
talking
to
adopted
by
I
think
it's
perfectly
okay
to
do
it,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
a
3/4
vote
to
do
that.
One
I
do
think
it
has
to
be
needs
to
be
more
specific
as
to
a
beginning
point
and
ending
point,
etc.
G
And
all
we
did
there,
you
know
it
is,
you
know,
kind
of
had
their
specificity
to
it,
construct
a
sidewalk
along
the
entire
property
line,
adjacent
to
Simpson
Avenue
right
away
that
conforms
to
establish
standards
and
specifications
to
the
city
of
Athens,
because
we
do
have
specific
standards
for
the
construction
and
I
made
it
the
whole
length
of
the
project
on
them.
Stepheson
Avenue.
There
is
a
sidewalk
thing
down
through
there,
but
probably
not
immediately
adjacent
to
the
sign
right
right.
I
G
Right
yeah
I
was
just
looking.
Some
number
eight
was
one
that
well
I'll.
Read
it
first
and
I'll
comment.
Additional
flood
modeling
shall
be
done
with
the
nineteen.
Eighty
elevations
considered
in
development
will
proceed
with
a
net
zero
effect
on
flood
levels
at
the
site
and
surrounding
neighborhoods.
G
This
particular
one.
My
first
question
to
Steve
is
this
something
that's
required
in
our
floodplain
ordinance
and
he
said
no.
My
next
question
was:
is
this
been
required
in
other
developments
in
this
particular
area,
and
he
said
no
both
of
those
answers
kind
of
raised
issues
in
my
mind
about
the
advisability
of
doing
it.
I
didn't
tell
you
that
you
absolutely
can't
do
this
one,
some
of
them
I
told
you
not
to
do
this
one
I,
my
recommendation
is
that
you
delete
it.
G
G
To
me,
it's
more
problems
to
try
to
put
something
like
this
and
then
the
not
so
my
recommendation
is
to
delete
it
if
you
want
to
put
it
in.
If
that's
the
decision
of
the
the
committee,
then
Steve
and
I
can
give
you
some
language
around
about
or
I'm,
not
sure
we
know
exactly
what
you're
meaning
truthly
on
the
floodplain,
but
it
has
my
biggest
concern.
Is
it's
not
been
required
with
other
developments
them,
particularly?
The
library
was
the
one
I
asked
about.
Was
it
required
of
the
library?
I
said?
G
G
H
H
K
H
K
C
G
H
I
Of
the
specific
requirements
there
are
different
ones
for
use.
For
example,
a
non-residential
structure
can't
have
a
basement
underneath
it
what
proof
a
residential
structure
cannot
have
a
basement,
even
if
it
is
flood
proof.
However,
the
protection
level
the
city
is
required
is
one
foot
a
bit
above
the
base
flow
of
all
structures,
because.
D
I
Residential
case
you
just
have
to
meet
the
freeboard
requirement
in
the
city
of
athens.
It's
a
higher
standard,
one
foot
above
the
base.
Flood
elevation,
no
basement
allowed
in
a
residential
structure,
finished
first
floor
of
a
commercial
building
has
to
be
that
high
also,
but
it
can
have
below
grade
enclosures
if
their
flood
proof.
So,
for
example,
in
the
case
of
the
Citizens
Bank
being
constructed
on
Simpson
Avenue
right
now,
it
has
a
basement
underneath
it
that's
permitted
in
a
commercial
building
not
in
a
residential
building,
but
in
either
case
residential
non-residential.
I
That
finished
first
floor,
where
water
would
have
eventually
impact
someone
that
floor
has
to
be
one
foot
above
the
base.
Flood
elevation,
the
numbers
in
the
core
study
for
that
base.
Flood
elevation
are
a
little
bit
lower
than
the
published
regulatory
numbers
in
our
1980
flood
insurance
study.
So
actually,
what's
the
building,
if
based
on
the
1980
flood
insurance
study,
if
that's
the
baseline
that
finished
first
floor
will
actually
be
higher
than
if
you'd
use
the
core
model,
because
it
has
a
lower
base.
Flood
elevation.
H
I
Are
higher
standards
can
be
adopted?
The
Ohio
Department
of
Natural
Resources
floodplain
management
division
has
a
series
of
higher
standards
the
communities
can
adopt.
They
do
recommend
in
some
cases
that
what
are
defined
as
critical
facilities
should
have
a
higher
standard
and
that's
that's
a
whole
different
issue.
Though
that's
a
review,
the
floodplain
regulations
and.
H
I
I
G
This
one
gave
me
a
fair
amount
of
heartburn,
also
not
because
of
the
worthwhile
nough
subduing
it,
but
mainly
besides
it,
because
it
gets
us
into
what
I
normally
think
is
not
something
the
city
should
be
doing,
and
that
is
settling
matters
between
two
private
property
owners,
ie,
the
Red
Cross
and
the
owner
of
the
property.
It's
not
really
for
the
benefit
of
of
us
or
the
public.
G
H
For
background
information,
if
you
take
a
look
at
Lynette's
wares
map,
which
is
the
only
one
we
had
to
go
on,
they
were
backed
right
up
against
it
and
then,
if
we're
allowing
them
to
build
with
great
freedom
on
this
without
setbacks,
then
what
other
position
could
we
take
since
we're
gonna,
say
no
setbacks
required
or
whatever
I
mean?
We
don't
really
know
where
they're
gonna
build
what,
but
that's
the
tenor
of
what
we're
doing
here,
yeah,
but.
E
Only
had
a
plan,
one
of
the
things
that
we
considered
in
looking
at
some
of
this,
with
some
information
that
I
read
about
Community
Benefit
agreements,
where
community
organizations
could
actually
negotiate
with
the
developer
and
would
create
something
that
would
be
like
a
development
agreement
that
the
municipality
would
record
and
I
think
that
that
was
the
spirit
of
this,
and
you
know
clearly
the
Red
Cross
does
serve
an
alert
public
benefit.
It's
the.
G
Spirit
of
I
have
no
problem
with.
That's
probably
why
I
ultimately
said.
Okay
to
it,
you
know
because
it
is
one
of
those
things.
But
if
it's
going
to
be
something
that
you
know,
we
do
do
development
agreements
and
so
forth,
but
those
things
you're
always
ironed
out
in
advance,
not
at
the
approval
process
before
Council,
so
I.
E
I
G
This
is
kind
of,
in
my
opinion,
within
the
purview
of
the
fire
chief,
something
he
does
and
really
isn't
something
normally
considered
by
the
Planning
Commission
as
far
as
I
know
so
ice,
but
I
did
allow
it
as
a
3/4
vote
this
one.
We
changed
the
language
slightly
to
say
that
develop
an
emergency
evacuation
plan
and
submit
it
for
review
and
approval
by
the
Athens
City
Fire
Chief
after
consultation
with
the
Athens
County
Emergency
Management
Agency,
because
that
at
least
is
Steve
and
my
eyes
understand
my
understanding
of
how
the
process
would
work.
I.
E
Think
part
of
the
concern
was
really
specifically
about
other
facilities
that
may
have
plans
in
mind
for
resources
that
exist
like
city
buses
are
probably
committed
already,
and
you
know
we
really
wanted
to
be
sure
that
there
was
some
coordination
of
the
planning,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
facilities
in
the
flood
hazard
area.
I.
G
E
K
I
Something
that
we
do,
the
fire
chief
has
actually
the
city
based
on
the
fire.
Chief's
recommendations
has
an
emergency
response
manual
and
we
have
a
plan
to
respond
to
any
kind
of
disaster
in
every
facility
in
town
and
the
fire
chief
is
the
one
working
with
these
local
EMS
office
that
understands
what
resources
we
do
have
available,
who
we
can
call
in
from
the
outside.
What
equipment
do
we
have?
So
this
is
something
that
I
think
the
Planning
Commission
didn't
look
at
it,
because
it's
something
administratively,
we
do
for
everybody
in.
D
G
Condition
number
eleven
all
fill
necessary
for
the
development
shall
be
taken
from
the
site
or
floodplain.
I
didn't
have
big
problems
with
it.
This
is
probably
the
one
day.
Oh
I
know
this
is
one
of
you
were
interested
in
all
right.
I
had
the
most
trouble,
exactly
understanding
why
we
were
requiring
that,
but
that's
really
not
mine.
You
know
not
my
place
to
question.
Why
you
requiring
is
where
the
can
you
required
and
I
think
you
can
and
I
again.
I
think
this
is
something
the
Planning
Commission
probably
was
within
their
intent.
Consideration.
G
C
K
K
Although
the
site
is
certainly
within
the
floodplain
there
going
to
be
another
site
within
the
floodplain,
that
would
have
adequate
fill
so
that
you
know
if
you're
filling,
if
you're
pulling
out
and
filling
in
the
same
area,
then
you're
not
displacing
any
more
water.
The
nineteen
eighty
thing
comes
in
in
our
discussion
of.
D
K
Are
we
going
to
measure
quote
the
elevations
are
gonna
use?
What
standard
are
we
gonna
use
and
the
the
sense
was,
as
Steve
has
pointed
out,
the
1980
standard
was
the
one
that
we
wanted
to
use.
My
thinking
tonight
was
that,
and
now
it's
been
reinforced
us
we're
not
we've
taken
out
that
previous
one.
It
would
be
good
to
reference
1980s,
since
we
do
talk
about
the
flood
plan.
M
I
I
think
some
of
the
discussions
you'd
had
is:
could
the
material
come
from
the
other
side
of
the
river?
Were
the
Conservancy?
District
is
maintaining
the
channel,
and
my
thought
was
that
material
may
not
be
suitable
to
build
on
right
because,
for
example,
Walmart
found
that
it
was
not
sure
when
one
of
their
proposed
thought
then
was
if
it
comes
from
the
floodplain.
That's
a
very
large
area
from
the
east
end
of
town
to
the
north,
end
of
town,
so
I
didn't
know
if
you
meant
from
anywhere.
C
K
A
K
G
Therefore,
since
it's
already,
you
know,
referencing
again
and
other
ordinance
that
we
have
in
the
city
applicability
it's
kind
of
again
in
the
kind
of
the
notice
kind
of
category
and
I
said,
okay
to
it
and
I
think
I
rewrote
it
basically
to
that.
If
that
affect
the
language
for
you,
so
that
was
a
majority
passage
on
that
one
proposed
condition:
number
thirteen
any
entrance
constructed
from
Morris
Avenue
shall
be
gated
for
emergency
use,
only
not
accessible
for
deliveries.
G
I
found
that
to
be
in
concept
to
be
fine
and
a
majority
vote,
we
did
rewrite
that
one
to
be
a
little
more
specific
and
say
construction
construct.
The
secondary
emergency
means
of
influence
adjacent
to
Morris,
Avenue,
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
Athens
City
fire
chief
that
precludes
use
by
other
than
emergency
service
personnel.
Again
I
think
it
has
to
be
approved
by
the
fire.
B
G
E
G
I
Land
development
ordinance
has
a
storm
water
detention
requirement
for
development
sites,
five
acres
or
greater.
There
is
the
allowance,
though,
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
create
variances
from
that
detention
requirement,
and
it
has
not
ever
been
used.
No
one
has
you
know,
even
though
Walmart
Lowe's
and
all
those
projects
were
right
by
the
river,
they
did
not
ask
to
be
exempted
from
that
detention
requirement.
What
I
wanted
to
point
out,
though,
was
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
the
one
that
has
sole
jurisdiction
over
some
waiver
of
the
detention
requirement.
I
Although
I
know
that
the
developer
said
that
they
would
meet
that
detention
requirement,
I
don't
think
it'll
be
too
great.
The
pre
and
post-development
runoff
rates
are
not
going
to
be
so
large
that
a
huge
pond
is
going
to
have
to
be
filled
because
the
development
area
of
that
five
acres
or
greater
site
is
minimal
compared
to
the
entire
site.
One.
E
E
I
Have
is
a
sediment
erosion
control
plan
and
a
stormwater
management
plan
that
has
to
do
with
the
site
as
it's
being
developed,
the
state
has
no
detention
requirement
they're
just
concerned.
Are
you
eventually
going
to
reap
vegetate
andrey
stabilize
the
area,
so
you
don't
have
any
pollution
of
state
waters?
That's
what
they're
most
concerned
about.
H
Still
speaking
about
twelve
under
what
circumstance,
since
the
Planning
Commission
has
already
accepted,
whatever
they
sent
forward
that
they
would
exempt
this
from
a
storm
from
a
land
from
the
land
development
ordinance
requirements,
I
mean,
would
they
go
back
through
or
what
I
mean
it's?
What
is
unusual.
B
H
D
A
H
A
H
I
The
reason
I
put
that
in
there
to
be
very
honest
with
you,
two
was
as
we're
going
through
this
we're
identifying
responsibility.
For
example,
I
recommended
some
language.
It
said
unless
granted
a
revocable
license
are
reviewed
by
council
and
I
know
you're,
not
necessarily
going
to
grant
a
revocable
license
for
some
use
of
City
properties,
but.
E
G
I
G
A
I
I
I
Process-Wise
I
would
think
that
that
would
come
into
play
when
you
applied
for
the
land
development
permit.
So
if
you
don't
want
the
Planning
Commission
to
have
the
ability
then
to
possibly
grant
appearance
which
I
think
the
mayor's
indicated
they're
not
going
to
do
but
just
strike
that
part
of
it.
Let's.
C
D
G
B
B
J
G
G
G
G
So
I
made
the
assumption
that
there
was
some
reason
that
you
one
of
these
additional
stall
studies
consent
and
that
there's
already
something
down
on
the
site.
We
changed
Steve
and
I
change
that
once
a
conduct
additional
stalls,
soil
studies
and
incorporate
findings
into
the
development
and
design
of
structural
footers
and
foundations,
and
account
for
any
additional
structural
loads
related
to
possible
public
utility
maintenance.
That's
what
we
thought
in
our
best
opinion
you
were
talking
about.
G
H
Background
on
that
is
River
place
and
those
black
tubes
and
how
ugly
they
look
and
if
the
bike
path
is
a
common
public
good.
We
don't
want
that
a
sort
of
appearance
there,
likewise
I'm
the
problem
behind
not
Lowe's,
but
that
mini-mall
between
it
again
with
the
falling
out
whatever
was
going
on
there,
the
erosion
behind
it,
the
correct.
G
A
I
E
I
Of
projects
and
I
have
worked
with
them
and
actually
helped
them
develop
a
new
stormwater
disposal
system
that
eliminated
those
pipes.
In
addition,
I
added
in
the
language
too
and
I
thought
you
were
concerned
about
erosion.
It
also
says,
including
the
erosion
protection
measures
related
to
water
velocities,
caused
by
a
flood
event.
So
I
knew
you
were
concerned
about
riprap,
large,
rock
or
soil
stability.
Right
is
placing
the
flood
way
and
those
high
velocities
meets
the
floodplain.
So,
yes,
there
is
additional
measures
that
you.
C
E
I
think
part
of
the
discussion
at
that
time
was
that
since
there
isn't
a
film
plan
available
for
us
to
review,
there's
there's
one
place
on
the
plan
where
the
corner
of
the
building
is
six
feet
away
from
the
edge
of
the
flood
way,
which
would
indicate
at
a
place
that
I
believe
there
would
be
seven
feet
of
fill.
So
you
know
it
looks
like
it
would
be,
a
pretty
significant
slope
or
else
a
retaining
wall
and
people
were
really
concerned
about.
You
know
what
kind
of
impact
that
would
have
on
the
bike
path.
G
If
there
had
been
quote
a
development
agreement
in
at
the
beginning,
the
whole
thing-
and
that
was
part
of
it-
I,
probably
would
say:
okay,
they're
not
being
and
we're
at
the
stage
now,
where
you're
trying
to
bring
it
on
as
a
as
a
condition
for
approval,
which
is
clearly
what
it
falls
into
the
category
by
this
ordinance.
I
think
it
makes
it
somewhat
questionable
legally
whether
we
can
do
that
so
I'm
recommending
you
delete
that
one
proposed
condition:
number
seventeen.
There
will
be
no
negative
impact
to
the
current
bike
path.
G
I,
don't
know
what
it
meant
be
honest
with
you,
I
mean
I
kind
of
know
what
no
negative
but
I,
don't
really
know
what
you
mean
in
to
quantify
it
and
again.
I
didn't
think
that
was
really
what
the
Planning
Commission
was
considering.
I
think
you
could
probably
do
that,
but
I
thought
it
could
need
to
be
done
by
three-fourths
vote.
I.
G
C
G
G
A
G
G
G
C
H
G
G
G
Again,
a
lot
of
a
purpose:
I,
don't
think
you
can
do
it,
I
mean
I,
think
you
could
do
it,
but
it
could
open
up
the
whole
argument.
This
is
not
a
PUD
under
our
current
and
I've.
At
this
point,
I'm
looking
at
your
definition
of
Planning
and
Development
hobby
revisited
and
revise
what,
frankly,
that
in
dealing
with
the
definition
you
have,
it
either
needs
to
be
two
separate
structures
or
multiple
uses
to
be
a
part,
and
you
know
it's
already
been
determined
to
be
the
rest
of
its
all
one
big
building
kind
of
concept.
G
So
and
again
it's
another
one
of
those
that
kind
of
smacks
of
saying,
we'll
give
you
approval.
If
you
get
a
keep
some
more
to
choose
well
to
the
citizens,
it
opens
the
door
to
a
lot
of
potential
challenges
unless
they're
just
willing
to
do
it.
If
they're
just
willing
to
do
it,
it
doesn't
usually
anywhere
that's
visible,
I'm
recommending
deleting
just.
B
In
regards
to
that,
I
have
spoken
to
more
than
one
representative
of
the
developers
and
they've
all
said
that
they
are
willing
to
work
on
some
compromise
that
would
lead
to
a
development
of
a
parka
slash
recreational
area
adjacent
to
nearby
the
cottages,
some
something
like
that.
So
that
would
be
something
we
work
on
cooperatively,
whether
it's
in
this
agreement
or
not.
B
G
G
J
J
J
E
The
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission
said
that
if
we
don't
vacate
the
Morris
Avenue
right-of-way
that
they
would
require
a
rear
setback,
variance
and
the
revocable
license
for
parking
in
the
right-of-way,
so
that
that
whole
question
I
think
is
still
open
up.
How
do
we
handle
all
of
that?
It.
G
H
G
I
H
I
A
H
A
B
B
G
I
think
when
you
talk
about
the
you
know,
if
you
have
the
options
you
have
are
to
vacate
the
that
portion
of
Morris
Avenue
or
the
other
one
I
said
you
could
consider
it
would
be
the
revocable
license.
But
if
you
do
the
revocable
license,
you
need
to
have
an
indication
where
that
is
satisfactory
to
the
developers.
A
revocable
license
by
very
nature
is
revocable.
G
Now,
whether
or
not
you
know,
if
you
allow
somebody
to
build
on
a
revocable
license,
you
could
go
out
there
and
the
next
whim
and
terminate
it
or
not.
I,
don't
know
it's
probably
interesting
leave
my
question:
that's
my
very
definition
of
revocable
license
is
revoked.
Well,
your
current
rules
say
revocable
licenses
are
good
for
ten
years.
G
B
I
Councils
use
a
different
mechanism
to
approve
encroachments
on
public
lands
before,
and
you
did
this
recently
up
on
right
off
Coventry,
where
a
garage
was
found
to
be
constructed
on
the
right
away
of
a
small
call
to
sack,
and
you
didn't
do
that
with
a
revocable
license.
You
just
did
that
with
an
ordinance
that
approved
an
encroachment
into
a
public
way.
So
long
as
the
structure
existed.
That's
my
recollection
of
how
you
handled
that
garage,
yeah.
H
B
What
I
was
going
to
say
is
actually
I
have
in
this
somewhere
are
our
actual
definition
of
revocable
license
is
for
ten
years
or
term
to
be
determined
a
term
to
be
determined
by
council.
So
we
do
have
the
power
to
set
a
term
which
might
coincide
with
the
lease
agreement
or
this
land,
or
something
like
that.
So
I
guess
details
still
would
be
worked
out
with
regards
to
that.
J
H
G
K
Me
the
finances
I
mean
I,
guess
to
me:
I
would
rather
do
a
permanent
easement
the
vocable
license,
because
we
have
only
done
a
revocable
license
for
a
structure
when
we
had
the
situation
where
the
structure
was
built
unbeknownst
to
anyone
Wow,
and
we
were
sort
of
left
with
that
remedy,
and
we
haven't
typically
done
revocable
licenses
for
structures
like
a
building.
We
have
done
them
for
parking,
I.
Think
we've.
G
H
H
H
Think
the
people
in
the
East
End
have
been
threatened
by
this,
and
they
feel
rather
concerned
and
I
think
that
our
nature
of
this
motion
is
simply
to
say
if
it
changes,
hands
and
goes
away
from
what
seems
to
be
a
pretty
reasonable
parking
variance
to
something
that
doesn't
need
a
parking
variance,
whatever
counsel
is
here
or
whatever
administration
is
here,
should
have
a
right
to
leverage
more
parking
places.
That's
simply
what
word
we
were
trying
to
do
with
the
easement
I
mean
I
think
that
getting
right
down
to
the
bottom
line.
H
J
B
At
this
point,
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
you'll
bring
the
law
director
spend
a
lot
of
time
discussing
things.
People
seem
to
understand
his
reasoning
and
I
suggest
we
bring
it
up
for
first
reading
next
week
and
I'll
also
ask
the
clerk
and
the
law
director
to
come
up
with
a
language
regarding
revocable
license
or
Morris.
Avenue
right-of-way
is
a
separate
ordinance.
I
would.
H
H
H
H
E
It
needs
to
then,
let
me
ask
the
our
parliamentarian:
if,
because
the
Planning
Commission
recommendation
included
the
vacation
of
the
right
away
or
the
setback
variance
and
the
revocable
license,
if
we
take
this
one
through
without
the
other
ordinance,
do
we
need
3/4
majority
to
approve
it
at
all,
because
it's
not
the
whole
Planning
Commission
recommendation.
It's
just
a
piece
of
it.
J
G
H
B
C
G
Well,
let
me
talk
the
second
thing,
the
recommendation
they
are
recommending.
You
vacate
you
consider
vacating
Morris
Avenue,
but
then
then
the
four
and
five
say
that
if
you
don't
that
to
other
things
apply
so
given
that
I
think
they're
just
saying,
if
you
don't
do
it,
then
these
other
things
applies.
I,
don't
think
you
have
to
try
one.
G
G
D
A
G
H
A
J
G
Know
I,
don't
I'd
have
to
go
back
and
talk
with
the
Planning
Commission
you're
you're
merging
four
and
five
into
one
and
I.
Don't
know,
that's
necessarily
what
they
intended.
They
may
have
said.
We
don't
grant
their
variance
and
you
don't
grant
the
revocable
license
and
four
is
what
applies
which
is
not
exempt
from
the
ball.
Controls
I'd
have
to
ask
the
Planning
Commission,
but
the
Debbie's
question
is:
what
happens
you?
Don't
you
don't
have
to
pass?
In
my
opinion,
the
ordinance
by
three-fourths?
A
G
E
G
G
G
C
N
Everyone's
John
burns
and
the
director
of
legal
affairs,
hi,
University
and
I,
was
asked
a
question.
My
address
is
70
Briarwood
drive,
average
I
was
asked
the
question
about
the
status
the
lease
negotiations
discussion.
That's
the
format
of
the
State
Police
has
been
discussed
with
NCR's
Council.
We've
exchanged
some
different
kind
of
language,
but
it
has
not
been
executed.
Yet
that
process
involves
agreeing
to
finally
any
other
language.
It
may
be
related
to
the
conditions
of
the
approval.
Then
it
goes
also
through
the
Department
of
Administrative
Services.
N
It
has
been
submitted
in
generality
to
them
for
their
comments,
and
they
made
some
suggestions
regarding
some
new
format
changes
at
least
the
timetable.
Here,
it's
about
a
three
month
process
once
agreed
to
go
through
the
approval
of
the
governor's
signature,
etcetera,
etcetera.
So
that's
the
status
of
that
we're
still
kind
of
waiting.
N
Although
we've
got
the
format
down
and
I
think
most
people
knew
the
issue
here
was
the
value
was
a
dollar
and
we
were
looking
at
how
that
might
you
know,
sort
out
and
talking
to
the
making
sure
that
that
translates
a
bit
to
you
know
reasonable
value
for
the
potential
residents?
All
that's
not
been
pinned
down.
N
C
N
E
N
The
nature
it
was
for
a
lease
that
the
lease
negotiation
started.
Obviously
the
lease
wasn't
signed,
though
statutory
provision
is
that,
once
you
sign
a
lease
that
you
have
to
start
construction
within
a
year,
that
was
part
of
the
reference
in
that
that
will
probably
be,
and
that's
been
raised
with
members
of
the
CCRC
and
with
NCR,
where
we
are
and
the
timetables
about
this,
and
whether
it
needs
to
go
back
to
the
I
University
Board
of
Trustees.
Again
isn't
as
a
question
we'll
have
to
look
at
because
it
was
indicated.
N
B
D
D
N
B
H
M
B
B
M
M
M
M
That
his
budgets
get
crunched
at
the
state
level,
the
least
we
will
gets
the
least
amount
of
oil
and,
as
a
result,
the
budget
for
operating
sprouts
run
State
Park
over
the
past
five
or
six
years
has
gone
from
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
per
year
to
the
current
operating
budget,
which
is
about
a
hundred
and
thirty
five
thousand
dollars
per
year
and
I.
Think
as
the
focus
of
the
State
Parks
has
changed
to
more
of
a
resort
and
entertainment
orientation.
M
Village
vision
of
this
Clark
has
been
significantly
lost,
and
this
is
something
which
I
think
we
can
help
re-establish.
Now,
since
my
you
know,
I
came
to
Athens
about
thirty
five
years
ago
and
since
I've
come
here,
I've
been
very
concerned
about
our
community's
lack
of
vision.
There
is
no
vision
of
the
community,
there's
always
been
polarization
here,
we're
famous
for
polarization
there
were
there
there
Bohemians
and
there
the
bourgeois
you
know,
there's
the
city
there's
the
university.
There
are
tree
huggers
and
they're
stripped
miners.
M
There
are
isolationists
and
they're
people
who
want
to
build
highways
everywhere.
Now,
I
think
things
possibly
can
change.
I
think
maybe
some
of
these
things,
some
of
these
people
can
come
together
and
I.
Think
that
Strauss
run
State
Park
becoming
a
part
of
the
city
can
be
a
metaphor
for
that
change.
This
park
will
have
a
vision.
M
M
This
little
book
here
and
the
task
force
we
have
met
every
week
for
about
nine
months
now
we
have
spent
over
two
thousand
hours
of
our
own
time.
Man
and
woman
hours
excuse
me
and
that
doesn't
even
count
the
countless
hours
of
additional
consultants
who
have
helped
us
on
a
voluntary
basis
to
collect
huge
amounts
of
data.
I
think
also
I've
got
to
say
this
task
force
is
remarkably
diverse
of
the
people
on
the
task
force.
There
are
three
people
who
are
in
the
employ
of
the
city.
M
M
There's
a
list
of
everybody
and
you've
got
a
copy
of
that
in
fulfilling
his
original
design.
Purpose
of
combining
education
and
recreation
Strauss
run
park
and
Dal
Lake
facility
thalweg
facilitates
the
long-term
study
of
natural
resource,
related
sciences
and
outdoor
recreation
environment
conducive
to
family-orientated,
low-impact
recreational
pursuits.
This
this
is
our
mission,
our
vision.
M
Thank
you.
What
we
know
is
Travis
Run,
State
Park
is
a
remarkably
colorful
history.
It
lies
along
what
is
called
the
Marietta
Chillicothe
trace,
which
is
well
known
to
the
mound
builders
of
the
Hopewell
culture.
It
was
well
known
to
Tecumseh.
It
was
well
known
to
the
early
Europeans.
It
contains
archaeological
sites
as
well
as
natural
wonders.
At
one
point,
the
stretch
run:
State
Park
was
owned
by
the
naval
hero
John
Paul
Jones.
He
probably
never
came
here,
but
he
was
given
this
land
as
compensation
for
his
service
in
the
Revolutionary
War.
When
the
Ohio.
C
M
The
earliest
Stroud's
actually
were
William
and
ASA.
Stroud
ASA
was
a
minister
I,
really
don't
know
why
they,
their
name
I,
came
to
be
associated
with
this,
but
that's
the
source
of
the
name,
and
it's
also
a
famous
spring
supplies.
The
water
from
the
lake
called
a
Linscott
spring,
which,
according
to
the
newspapers
in
1900
to
two
hundred
thousand
gallons
of
water
a
day
we
know
these
early
farmers
remained
in
the
valley.
At
least,
there
were
four
small
cemeteries
when
the
lake
was
built,
one
of
the
cemeteries
required
being
moved
to
Canaan
bill
I.
M
The
thoughts
of
lakes
and
parks
started
in
the
20s.
131
acres
was
owned
by
JJ
crumbly.
In
1926
he
wrote
a
reference
work,
constructive
forestry
for
the
private
owner.
He
was
a
forester.
He
worked
for
the
state
of
Ohio.
He
was
in
charge
of
buying
land
for
a
Hocking
Hills
area
and
Zaleski
State
Forest
dues,
Borden
and
a/c,
and
died
died
here.
He
died
at
the
age
of
88,
but
he
was
hit
by
a
driver
on
East
State
Street
on
the
evening
of
New
Year's
Day,
and
they
had
52.
M
Clarence
talent
appears
on
the
scene,
he
was
an
Eminem
geologist
and
geographer.
He
was
chairman
of
OU's
department.
He
was
a
key
figure
actually
in
the
creation
of
the
Ohio
Department
of
Natural
Resources
and
he
was
the
principal
force
behind
the
State
Park.
He
secured
a
half
a
million
dollars
to
build
the
dam
and
he
died.
Unfortunately,
she
brought
just
prior
to
the
construction
of
the
dam.
His
friend
and
colleague,
George
Billy,
still
talks
about
closing
the
valve
on
the
overflow
May
22nd
1959.
M
O
O
As
our
vision
statement
indicates
the
foremost
thought
in
our
mind
we're
developing
the
suggestions.
The
recommendations
to
go
ahead
with
this
acquisition
was
to
ensure
the
strands
run,
remaining
viable
and
productive
and
a
area
of
protection
for
the
biodiversity.
That's
there
for
generations
to
come
and
I
think
that
the
city
of
a
piece
is
the
best
entity
to
do
that.
Presently,
even
though
the
state
has
had
scales
run
for,
however
many
years
there
is
no
management
plan
written
for
scauldron.
You
do
not
know
at
present
where
the
trouble
areas
are.
O
What
sort
of
management
activities
should
be
taking
place
to
ensure
that
the
continuing
biodiversity
is
protected?
The
exotic
species
are
taken
care
of
so
that,
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
protection
of
the
resources
Athens
has
the
ability
to
go
forward
with
that
protection.
We're
here
and
we
have
the
expertise.
O
Water
quality
and
such
as
it
stands
now,
there's
no
management
plan
to
address,
or
even
though
the
extent
of
these
problems
there
have
been
research.
That
looks
at
many
of
these
sort
of
problems,
but
no
management
plan
has
come
out
of
it.
The
task
force
identified
that
strats
man
needs
a
management
plan.
That's
one
of
the
first
priorities.
O
A
permanent
advisory
board
for
Stroudsburg.
That
means
that
all
the
management
decisions,
management
planning
would
be
done
at
a
local
level
and
I
think
that
this
would
ensure
the
long-term
sustainability
for
the
natural
resources
that
is
found
in
strats
red
eyes,
adjust
for
the
management
plan,
but
the
four
basic
things
that
would
be
need
to
be
done
with
the
natural
resource
inventory,
a
needs
analysis,
development
of
goals
and
objectives
and
a
prioritization
of
management
activities
and
budget
activities
that
would
be
required
to
ensure
the
long-term
sustainability
for
the
natural
resources.
O
That
may
include
such
things
as
identifying
areas
that
we
wanted
to
do,
structures
from
because
we
may
not
need
you
know.
However,
many
campground
facilities
that
are
there
to
ensure
that
that
natural
resources
are
protected
and
may
include.
Such
quality
standards
are
met
in
the
near
future.
By
managing
these
populations,
all
these
sort
of
things
can
be
done
at
present
by
people
who
are
in
Athens.
We
have
a
lot
of
different
resources
at
our
disposal
and
by
having
an
advisory
board,
that's
local.
M
Thank
you
well,
I
think
that
if
the
city
undertakes
this
great
venture,
I
think
it's
important
that
it
it
depends
on
very
strong
partnerships
and
first
I,
think
I
have
to
express
the
great
debt
that
we
owe
to
be
Ohio
Department
of
Natural
Resources,
because
it's
been
through
their
stewardship
of
this
2,600
acres
of
over
grazed
abused
land.
That
45.
B
M
P
What
they're
feeling
is
as
an
entity,
the
city
probably
may
even
move
up
that
list.
There
is
actually
a
list
that
they
have
developed.
A
strategy
run
is
fairly
far
down
on
that
list
at
this
point,
but
as
a
city
asking
for
to
have
the
lake
dredge,
if
we
feel
that
something
needed
in
the
future,
we
actually
would
probably
move
up
on
that
list
and
we
could
acquire
that
sooner
than
what
the
state
itself
could.
The
other
problem.
P
Part
of
the
main
idea
that
we're
concerned
about
was
the
dam
itself.
You
know
what
would
happen
in
year
two
if
there
were
major
problems
with
the
dam.
You
know
we
know
the
city
couldn't
afford
to
make
major
improvements
to
the
dam
or
major
changes
to
the
dams.
They
have
agreed
to
from
their
most
recent
Dam
study
to
make
the
improvements.
There
are
some
land
slips
up
there
they're
going
to
fix
those
prior
to
any
transfer,
but
also
they
would
remain
the
liability.
P
A
dam
will
remain
with
the
state
of
Ohio
until
the
point
they
bring
it
up
to
current
standards,
which
at
this
point,
there's
really
no
date
for
that,
and
they
really
don't
assume
that's
going
to
happen
in
the
near
future.
So
really
the
liability
dam
will
remain
with
the
state
of
Ohio,
probably
throughout
this,
this
transfer
of
property.
A
P
A
lot
of
the
things
were
given
to
Doug
and
in
his
committee,
so
most
of
those
things
we
already
have
in
place
that
they
would
transfer
any
pertinent
supplies
or
materials
such
as
maybe
work
task,
orders,
rental
agreements,
campground
agreements,
things
like
that
that
they
would
give
us
all
that
material
and
those
supplies
that
they
use,
also
that
all
structures
will
be
given
to
us
in
good
condition,
including
utilities
and
most
of
the
structures
out
there.
There's
a
house
there's
a
storage
area,
there's
some
shelter
houses.
There
is
no
sewage
at
the
park.
P
We've
also
asked
that
they
transfer
any
equipment
that
they
use
there.
That
way,
they
would
not
take
with
them
and
they've
agreed
to
transfer
some
mowers
front
end
loader
rakes
that
they
used
to
rake
the
beach
so
equipment
that
they
would
leave
for
us
at
no
cost
to
the
city.
We
will
continue
the
ownership
of
those
of
that
equipment.
P
M
P
We
have
talked
about
is
under
our
current,
even
though
we
have
around
350
acres
of
parkland-
and
this
is
you
know,
additional
2,600
acres.
Many
of
the
things
that
are
involved
with
Stroud's
run
are
things
that
we
do.
We
just
do
them
on
a
much
smaller
scale.
We
have
cells
park,
we
have
a
trail
supervisor
who
does
trail
work
for
us.
Currently,
we
have
a
lot
of
trails
in
that
park.
We
have
a
lot
of
staff
that
could
help
with
how
the
park
would
be
run,
including
you
know,
information
referral.
P
Even
now,
when
you
call
Strauss
Run
park,
you
call
Baroque,
you
don't
call
Strauss
around
anymore.
People
would
call
the
park
office.
We
could
give
information,
we
could
do
rentals
from
there.
We
would
continue
with
camping
being
self
registration.
We
do
have
a
rec
wear
program
that
allows
us
to
do
registration
of
facilities
and
facility
maintenance
and
all
those
things
soon-to-be.
We
may
be
able
to
do
that
over
the
Internet,
we're
changing
our
software
package
at
the
first
a
year.
P
So
at
that
point,
people
may
be
able
to
do
reservations
from
their
house
go
on
register
Bergkamp
around
those
sorts
of
things.
We
would
continue
to
do
the
payroll,
the
hiring
all
those
things
that
we
do
it
just
would
be
for
a
new
facility
mowing
trail
work,
the
beach
work,
repair,
maintenance,
cleaning,
trash
collections,
concessions
and
contracts,
supervision,
staffing,
those
are
things
we
currently
do
within
our
own
departments.
We,
this
will
continue.
Those
on
at
Stroud's,
around
State
Park
Strauss
run
is
not
within
the
city.
P
P
If
there
would
be
a
problem
out
there,
some
of
the
expertise
we
can
bring
to
us
that
even
ODNR
does
not
have,
as
we
could
do,
our
own
water
testing
with
the
water
lab
structure,
maintenance
with
lands
and
buildings
I've
had
the
street
department
go
out
and
look
at
the
streets
out
there
in
a
parking
lots.
Some
of
those
services
we
could
provide
ourself
signage
marketing
promotion,
which
we
would
do
through
our
own
departments
in
the
budget
and
planning
are
things
we
do
currently
realizing.
P
If
we
have
the
lab
do
testing
and
if
we
have
the
street
department
do
work.
For
us,
there
is
a
cost
to
the
city
and
we
actually
have
figured
out
in
our
budget
what
those
costs
are,
if
it
be
a
transferable
thing
to
those
budgets
or
how
that
will
work,
I'm,
not
sure,
but
it
is
when
you
see
our
budget
later,
those
costs
are
actually
part
of
that
overall
budget.
P
Knowing
that
the
water,
the
say
the
laboratory
shouldn't
be
testing
for
free
there'll,
be
some
cost
to
us
to
have
them,
do
that
would
be
less
than
having
a
contractor.
Do
it
and
most
of
these
things,
even
though
there
would
be
a
cost
to
the
city
and
possibly
be
a
transfer
from
fund
to
fund,
it
still
be
less
than
having
a
contractor
come
in
and
do
that
work.
P
P
We
have
mowers,
tractors
implements
for
our
tractors,
we
have
dump
trucks,
we
have
loader
and
backhoe,
so
most
the
equipment
that
would
need
and
Strauss
run
we
already
have
in
place
and
don't
anticipate
having
to
purchase
any
new
equipment,
especially
with
the
transfer
of
current
odn,
our
equipment
to
us
and
as
you'll
see
in
later
budgets.
There
is
some
costs
involved
with
you
know
more
personnel.
We
don't
expect
to
I'll
take
over
there,
astrologer
ami
with
our
current
staffing
levels.
Those
are
pretty
much
all
the
items
that
I
have
turned
back
over
to
Dave
great.
M
There's
a
lot
of
other
partners
as
well.
There's
you
know,
and
they're
mentioned,
we've
talked
to
almost
all
the
other
groups
that
are
actively
involved
in
the
utilization
of
the
park
and
I
won't
go
through
all
these
to
save
some
time,
but
these
are
all
very
highly
motivated
citizens
who
already
contribute
thousands
of
their
hours
to
maintaining
and
proving
facilities,
and
these
groups
all
stand
ready
to
continue
to
do
their
work
in
the
event
that
there
is
the
transfer
of
ownership.
M
D
K
M
D
M
Town
inflates
to
almost
three
times
its
nascent
size
only
to
return
to
its
smaller
version
nine
months
later
and
the
cause
of
this
is
Ohio
University
and
it's
appropriate
that
Ohio
University
be
a
very
significant
partner
in
our
future
Park
until
1975
Ohio
University
was
a
more
formal
partner
and
actually
contributed
funds
to
ODNR
for
the
utilization
of
the
park
at
the
land.
Last
we
really
don't
know.
M
L
I
approached
it
and
in
a
myriad
of
ways,
but
I
wanted
to
start
basically
by
kind
of
telling
you
that
the
park
is
used
for
an
educational
use.
The
first
person
that
found
out
when
the
when
the
the
state
was
interested
in
turning
over
the
park
was
Phil
Cantino
and
he
sent
a
list
of
all
the
classes
that
are
utilizing
strategy
round
a
few.
L
If
you
ever
do
our
dissertation
research
or
thesis
research
you'll
find
that
a
number
of
people
have
done
studies
out
in
strategy
on
if
you
ever
walk
through
the
park
on
the
trails,
you'll
see
things
that
are
hanging
off
trees.
It's
part
of
the
either
plant
biology
or
environmental
sciences,
and
that
kind
of
spoke
to
me.
That's
I
kind
of
vision.
L
L
We
we
can
kind
of
imagine
what
happened
in
1975.
That
was
a
time
when
the
university
was
struggling
and
it
was
probably
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
cut
some
of
their
funding
issues,
so
what
they
did
was
they
just
cut
that
piece
off
and
in
reality,
as
David
said,
the
park
never
went
away
for
Ohio,
University's,
educational
use,
and
so
what
you've
got
is
arts
and
sciences,
and
then
you
have
the
College
of
Health
and
Human
Services
actually
does
recreation
management
outdoor
adventure,
adventure
rec?
They
do
PE
D
classes
out
there.
L
They
teach
canoeing
on
the
lake,
they
teach
Wilderness
First
Responder
out
in
the
park.
They
teach
a
variety
of
different
functions
that
are
academic
in
nature
and
then,
of
course,
you
have
my
area
of
responsibility,
which
is
the
division
of
campus
recreation.
I.
Think
it's
really
interesting
that
a
number
of
people
that
have
come
here
tonight
are
from
the
rowing
club,
because
that's
their
recreational
pursuit,
that's
their
Park.
They
use
it
on
a
fairly
regular
basis.
L
Matter
of
fact,
they'll
tell
you,
they
use
it
every
single
day,
if
you
ever
just
run
a
search,
a
Google
search
on
strides
run.
You
will
come
up
with
a
number
of
people
that
have
found
that
their
recreational
activity
on
Stratton
as
students
at
Ohio
University,
were
one
of
the
things
that
they
cherished
about
their
experiences
here,
and
so
we
are
connected.
L
L
But
one
of
the
educational
things
that
I
found
most
interesting
was
when
we
first
got
this
opportunity
to
look
at
at
strides
run
and
we
took
it
as
an
educational
opportunity.
I
for
good
or
bad
I
made
the
suggestion.
Perhaps
what
we
ought
to
do
is
to
study
in
recreation
management
and
everybody
just
kind
of
trampled
over
it
and
they
said
well,
you're
gonna.
L
L
So
when
we
talked
about
2,000
hours,
I
had
easily
2,000
hours
of
Student
Health
that
really
looked
at
this,
and
what
we
did
was
a
qualitative
study
as
well
as
a
blue
piece
of
quantitative
studies
and
the
key
thing
that
we
really
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
people,
understood
and
leaned
has
told
me
numbers
a
number
of
times.
You
know
it's
not
until
we
realized
what
we
were
looking
at
here,
that
that
it
kind
of
brought
it
all
home.
L
The
question
is:
is
it
in
the
best
interest
of
the
people
of
the
of
Athens
to
manage
strategy
on
state
park
locally
in
order
to
maintain
its
current
level
of
operation
than
to
stop
its
apparent
decline?
Now,
that's
not
to
mean
that
it's
it's
totally
degraded.
What
it
means
is
that
you
can't
look
at
something
the
way
it
was,
and
you
can't
look
at
the
way
it's
something
it
could
be
what
you
have
to
do.
L
If
you're
going
to
do
a
research
question,
you
have
to
look
at
it
as
the
way
it
is
right
now,
and
so
we
looked
at
that
we
had
some
sub
sub
problems
and
then
we
created
my
sick
minds.
I've
finally
called
this
is
I
floated
every
different
color
every
different,
geometric
shape
that
you
see
up.
There
is
somebody
that
we
either
interviewed
or
a
document
that
we
viewed.
L
We
did
35
interviews,
we
did
a
local
group
that
came
in
that
had
25
people
that
that
that
were
there,
we
surveyed
them
three
different
ways,
and
so
we
had
massive
amounts
of
data.
We
had
massive
amounts
of
data
from
ODNR
that
we
put
in
and
looked
at
it
from
a
document
review,
so
we
didn't
take
this
lightly.
We
took
it
very
seriously
and
we
came
up
with
a
variety
of
things.
Now
we
knew
that
we
couldn't
do
everything.
So
in
any
kind
of
study
you
have
the
limitations
and
limitations.
L
Clearly
our
scope,
our
data
in
our
time.
We
did
this
in
ten
weeks,
which
is
unheard
of
it's
probably
a
doctoral
dissertation
in
length,
and
it
was
done
in
ten
weeks.
So
there
is
a
time,
there's
a
snapshot
in
time
and
then,
of
course,
there
were
issues
with
data
and
we
had
a
lot
of
data,
but
we
didn't
have
in
some
cases
accurate
data.
L
We
did
have
that
open
form.
We
had
25
people
come,
we
surveyed
them
three
three
different
ways
and
we
came
out
with
with
some
of
these
open
these
themes.
Pretty
much
everybody
came
to
the
conclusion
that
the
state
was
interested
in
releasing
the
property
because,
quite
frankly,
they
had
other
interests
and
they
didn't
want
to
put
money
towards
this
park
as
much
money.
L
We
asked
numerous
times
about
the
capacity
of
the
city
and,
while
some
people
said
we
didn't
think
they
had
capacity,
the
city
believes
they
have
capacity
and
there
were
significant
number
of
people
that
did
feel
that
they
had
the
capacity
to
take
care
of
this.
But
the
number
one
thing
that
came
out
of
everything
was
that
people
enjoyed
the
seclusion
and
natural
setting
of
strata
that
came
across
and
that
really
kind
of
drove
exactly
where
we
were.
They
were
not
interested
in
creating
these
these.
These
these
monster
parks.
L
Our
findings
were
that
we
believed
that
we
could
operate
the
park
for
a
hundred
thirty
five
thousand
dollars,
and
that
was
done
basically
on
by
these
sports
administration
finance
group.
We
had
three
teams
that
looked
at
that
dwindling
state
dollars
will
continue
or
sodium
ours.
Division
of
State
Parks.
To
seek
measures
to
contain
course
contain
costs,
and
that's
pretty
you
know,
that's
that's
us.
So
what-
and
this
is
Doug's
paradoxus
revenue
is
disproportionally
inverse
to
expense.
L
L
Cabins
or
they
we
want
to
build
a
lodge,
or
we
want
to
put
in
electrical
powered
campsites.
What
we
found
was
that
similar
sized
parks
that
were
operated
by
Odeon
are
the
more
they
had
the
more
revenue
generation.
They
had
the
more
money
they
spent
and
it
was
disproportionate
other
words.
They
spent
more
money
than
they
made,
and
so
they
got
deeper
and
deeper
and
deeper
into
the
hole.
And
so
what
we
suggested
was
don't
do
that
here,
keep
it
natural,
keep
it
simple.
L
We
went
back
to
dowse
original
mission
or
his
original
vision,
which
was
a
Nature
Conservancy.
His
plan
was
to
recapture
destroyed
lands,
and
if
you
saw
that
picture
in
1939,
the
farming
had
basically
destroyed
the
the
area,
and
he
wanted
to
recover
that
and
he
wanted
to
look
at
the
long-term,
and
it
was
interesting
that
Dow
wanted
to
look
at
a
longitudinal
study
of
long-term
recovery.
So
does
Phil
Cantino.
M
M
Thank
you
well,
I,
guess
that
the
next
thing
is
where
I'm
gonna
try
to
pick
up
for
some
slack
for
a
Dave
Dave
Aude.
Who
is
our
finance
man,
and
the
question
really
is:
how
will
this
partnership
that
we've
discussed
deal
with
the
fiscal
realities
of
managing
operating
and
maintaining
the
park?
A
starting
point
has
been
that
this
venture
cannot
be
an
added
burden
to
the
city
from.
M
Park
should
be
funded
with
income
from
an
endowment
and
that
a
timetable
should
be
established
for
this.
Preliminary
discussions
have
already
taken
place
with
the
Athens
foundation,
with
the
OBE
Lennis
Foundation
and
with
Ohio
University.
But
until
that
point
we
will
we
have
an
outlined
an
estimated
budget
and
I
will
attempt
to
go
through
through
this.
M
The
definitive
income,
in
other
words,
that
amount
of
money
which
we
were
led
to
believe
would
be
fairly
firm,
included
a
contribution
to
this
of
$50,000
per
year
by
the
city
and
I'll.
Let
you
ask
questions
of
Kevin
and
Wayne,
and
the
mayor
when
I'm
done
the
one-time
payment
of
ODNR
of
forty
nine
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
and
then
we're
there's
a
actually
there's
a
little
errata
here.
This
indicates
the
existing
Park
income
of
twelve
thousand
dollars.
M
We've
asked
Kevin
to
and
there's
probably
a
better
break
out,
maybe
in
your
handout,
or
we
have
additional
figures
from
cabin
on
what
we
believed
it
would
cost
to
operate
the
park,
its
commensurate
with
the
amount
that
is
currently
in
the
budget
of
the
state.
It
also
is
very
close
to
the
estimate
that
Doug's
group
of
consultants
came
up
with
you
know,
and
you
can
look
at
that
and
ask
for
detailed
questions
later,
but
we
feel
that
giving
our
vision
that
this
is
a
fair
amount
of
money.
M
K
M
The
anticipated
income-
and
this
is
a
little
bit
more
vague
but
I'll-
explain
very
briefly
that
there
are
others
sources
of
income
that
perhaps
are
open
to
us.
One
is
this
additional
city
put
back,
and
this
was
just
because
our
initial
discussions
with
Kevin
and
with
Wayne
and
the
mayor
indicated
that
the
city
contribution
might
be
as
high
as
seventy
seven
thousand
dollars,
but
then
we
were
told,
maybe
it
wouldn't
so
we've
sort
of
broken
that
out
there's
a
significant
amount
of
money.
You
can
see
as
an
annual
contribution
from
Ohio
University,
that's
still
being.