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A
A
B
So
the
series
of
ordinances
grew
out
of
a
discussion
that
we
had
about
a
whole
variety
of
permit
fees
that
were
discussed
in
a
study
performed
by
Maksim
for
the
city,
where
they
looked
at
the
actual
cost
of
services
compared
to
the
money
that
we
were
recovering
for
the
permits
in
providing
those
services
in
in
a
variety
of
different
areas.
So
in
each
of
those
different
parts
of
the
code
there
were
fees
set.
B
The
first
two
three
four
five
ordinances
actually
changed
those
sections
of
code
so
that
they
refer
to
one
place
in
the
city
code
where
all
of
the
fees
are
established.
So
they
simply
say
that
the
permit
fee
will
be
established
by
separate
ordinance
and
then
oh,
what
one
1405
actually
sets
the
permit
fee
levels.
We
discussed
all
of
those
at
first
reading.
We
went
through
line
by
line
what
each
one
of
those
changes
is.
B
They
are
available
for
people
to
look
at
if
people
want
to
out
of
the
recommendations
from
Maximus,
we
are
still
going
to
talk
further
about
the
alarm,
permit
fees
and
about
the
PUD
review
fees.
So
we're
going
to
come
back
to
those
later.
This
implements
all
of
the
other
ones,
with
the
changes
that
we
put
in
place
around
revocable
permits
for
use
of
the
right-of-way
and
the
appeals
for
variances
to
the
Board
of
Zoning
Appeals,
those
we,
we
adopted
different
levels
than
what
had
been
recommended
by
Maximus
after
discussion
and
committee.
A
C
Because,
at
least
ever
since
I've
been
on
council,
there's
been
discussion
of
the
fact
that
our
code
department
wasn't
in
a
situation
where
that
the
fees
and
fines,
and
so
on,
were
paying
for
the
operation
of
that
office
and
that
we
should
be
aiming
for
a
closer
balance
there
and
Maximus
kind
of
gave
us
the
science
for
that,
so
that
we
could
look
at
that
study
and
have
some
basis
for
specific
changes.
So
it
would
be
less
random
than
just
saying
we
need
more
money.
Therefore,
we
need
to
raise
such
and
such
a
rate.
C
A
D
A
A
D
A
C
E
B
President
I
would
actually
add
that
the
two
that
we
did
a
different
level
than
recommended
we
went
lower
than
what
they
recommended
so
I
think
that
we're
well
within
the
range
of
what's
reasonable
in
all
of
the
ones
that
have
increased
and
the
the
places
where
we
didn't
go
with
their
recommendation.
We
actually
thought
they
were
recommending
something
that
was
too
much
of
an
increase,
and
so
we
went
with
a
lesser
amount.
D
B
B
B
G
C
B
C
B
D
C
H
B
H
Xia
I
would
see
it
part
of
the
defense
upon
when
it
started
through
the
planning,
planning,
commission
and
everything
else.
So
I
would
have
to
go
back
through
the
records
and
see
if
there's
one
we
didn't.
But
what
that
fee
is,
is
there's
a
base
charge
and
then
there's
a
per
unit
charge
and
there's
a
fee
for
both
the
preliminary
approval
or
and
then
there's
a
fee
for
going
to
the
final
approval.
If.
H
F
H
F
H
There's
another
section
of
the
code
that
talks
about
this
fee,
which
is
potentially
maybe
larger
than
the
fee.
For
the
engineer
it's
above
and
beyond,
we've
been
doing
the
engineering.
The
other
I
just
have
to
look
at
the
dates
of
what
puds
did
were
to
see
if
they
have
and
I'm
Raven,
though
I
will
thank.
F
A
I'm
correct:
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
adopt
ordinance.
One
1405
is
there
further
discussion
on
the
ordinance,
all
those
in
favor
of
adoption,
of
ordinance,
one
1405
I,
as
opposed
the
ordinance,
has
been
adopted,
ordinance
one
1605,
an
ordinance
amending
ordinance,
o
5105
to
meet
city
obligations
and
a
sewer
fund
by
amending
the
2005
appropriation
ordinance
member
bank.
Mr.
A
F
A
F
E
H
F
President
of
adoption
of
a
1
1905
second,
mr.
Preston
I,
believe
this
is
one
of
the
more
unique
items
that
we
will
pay
a
small
amount
for
each
year
and
we
do
have
them
several
issues
with
our
soils,
both
in
the
floodplain
and
on
the
hill
slope.
So
this
is
a
pretty
decent
investment.
Give
citizens
a
ability
to
go
and
check
out
a
developer's
ability
to
check
out
in
a
specific
way.
Well
could
be
potential
issues
with
their
developments
or
houses
for.
A
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
an
adjournment
having
addressed
all
items
on
tonight's
and
special
session.
We
are
now
adjourned
following
Council
or
two
short
committee
meetings.
Hopefully
one
the
city
services
committee
and
then
the
transportation
committee
chair
of
the
service
city
services
committee,
Nancy
Bane.
Mr.
F
President,
thanks
to
the
mayor
for
reminding
me
that
we
had
never
really
done
sewer
extensions
before
and
that
we
did
need
policy,
so
this
time
was
a
fortunate
time
for
us.
You
have
policy
guidelines,
down'n
those
are
listed
as
possibilities
and
I'd
like
to
go
through
those
things.
Those
would
become
the
we're
asses
in
the
in
the
document
in
any
ordinance
that
we
would
put
forward.
So
these
are
the
these
are
some
that
my
since
I
missed
the
putt
thing,
I'm,
not
sure
I
always
listen
very
well.
F
These
are
things
that
I
thought,
I
heard
people
say
must
have
city
water
service
owner
agrees
to
pay
all
costs
associated
with
the
extension
and
maintenance
of
this
of
a
sewer
line.
Two
of
the
property
assurance
that
the
line
installation
performed
by
the
owner
meets
city
specification.
The
tap
is
limited
to
a
single,
should
we
say
residential
dwelling.
That
was
that's
what
it
says
in
the
water
tap
water
tap
is
probably
obvious,
because
you
could
have
a
substantial
Drano,
no
I'm,
not
very
able
pipe.
F
The
city
shall
impose
a
two
year
time
limit
from
the
date
of
adoption,
of
the
ordinance
to
allow
the
extension.
Property
must
be
contiguous
to
the
city
corporate
line
under
agrees
to
annexation
of
the
property
within
a
two
year
period
from
the
date
of
adoption
of
the
ordinance.
The
only
thing
that
I
remember,
in
addition
to
that
is
they
would
pay
the
difference
between
out
of
and
inside,
in
that
interim
period,
before
they're
actually
annexed.
C
F
More
money-
maybe
we
should
anymore
money,
pay
more
money.
Maybe
we
should
increase
the
amount
of
additional
cost.
A
twenty
percent
instead
of
ten
person
hasn't
it
sent
I,
don't
know.
Maybe
it's
not
a
I,
don't
have
a
general
experience
with
this
I
occasionally
have
done
water
expansions.
I.
Guess
I'd
like
to
say
that
I'm
and
I'm
gonna
see
what
bill
has
to
say
here
in
a
moment,
but
I'd
like
to
have
the
sewer
line
in
the
street,
or
else
the
I
guess.
They're
gonna
build
it
if
it's
not
in
the
street.
A
Nancy
I
was
around
when
you
introduced
ordinance
3395,
and
it
has
served
the
city
well
on
the
occasions
that
I've
seen
those
things
come
before
the
city.
You
know
it
is
in
everybody's
best
interest
to
a
provide
clean
water
and
sanitary
sewers.
It's
everybody's
interest
and
I
think
everything
that
you've
outlined
is
a
good
idea.
I
would
just
ask
a
couple
of
questions
one.
Why
would
we
want
to
limit
it
to
only.
A
D
A
Is
the
big
key
and
the
one
thing
a
friend
of
mine
for
years
was
on
Gallipolis
City,
Council
and
gala
police
found
itself
providing
city
services
to
Spring,
Valley
and
everything
outside
of
the
city
and
all
of
a
sudden
found.
Nobody
was
willing
to
be
annexed
because
they
had
all
the
services.
Why
should
they
pay
their
income?
Tax
and
Gallup
lists
in
the
last
couple
of
years
is
no
longer
City
in
his
downtown,
because
eventually
people
move
out
of
all
inner
city
center
kind
of
situations
and
to
the
outskirts
they.
A
F
A
F
D
F
E
Valley
school
okay,
so
these
are
not
single
family.
This
is
not
a
residential.
These
are
businesses
and
if
we're
about
it,
you
know
somebody
was
gonna
come
along.
We
had
this
one.
What
last
night
clover
lane
or
something
like
that,
but
in
terms
of
a
subdivision
coming
in
they're,
not
it's
being
limited
here
to
say
when
tap
is
limited.
Yes,
but
you
know,
this
would
be
a
conglomeration
of
various
and.
E
Other
thing
in
terms
of
you're
talking
about
the
10%
increasing
it
may
be,
the
thing
to
do
would
be
put
something
in
where
it
doubles
after
five
years
or
something
or
four
years,
in
other
words,
keeps
going
up
and
ratcheting
up
until
they
do
get
get
annexed.
Yeah
as
an
incentive
I
mean
that's
one
alternative,
the
other
one
you're
saying
is
put
some
teeth
in
it
from
Gary's
point
of
view,
but
or
pull
the
plug,
which
would
be
which.
G
F
E
The
same
time,
if
you
say
okay,
you
know
first
two
years
you're
paying
the
difference
of
10%
after
that
in
the
next
two
years,
you're
paying
20%
next
two
years
after
that
to
paying
another
twenty
after
that
or
whatever
I,
don't
really
care
what
a
scale
you
put
on
it,
but
the
incentive
is
to
take
it
moving.
So
we.
F
A
H
There
are
a
couple
of
locations
within
the
city
that
don't
have
city
water,
particularly
on
the
far
east
end
of
town,
three
or
four
residences,
I
think
mostly
on
della
drive
that
are
served
by
a
different
water
system,
but
they
also
don't
have
sewer
and
there
was
just
existed
at
the
time
of
the
annexation,
and
it
was
never
never
done
now.
Those
in
that
case,
probably
since
are
already
in
the
city.
We
would
would
want
to
provide
that
and
we,
but
it
is
a
policy.
It
isn't
saying
that
you
can't
grant
a
variance
into
it.
H
My
counsel
under
exceptional
circumstances,
so
but
it
does
give
the
guidelines
and
then
be
able
to
say
to
someone
and
because
administrative
delay
were
the
one
that
gets
the
question
first
and
we're
going
to
say.
Well.
If
the
council
has
the
guidelines,
let's
look
them
over
and
then,
if
they
say
well,
I
don't
quite
meet
those.
What
can
I
do?
I
go
to
council
ask
for
a
waiver
from
it,
but
that
this
specific
ordinance
of
council,
but
it
would
be
anyway,
meeting
the
guidelines,
but
that
can
but
that
can
happen
that.
I
A
C
Just
ask
not.
B
E
H
D
H
Usually,
you've
been
forced
if
you've
got
banned
in
your
septic
system,
to
do
that,
it's
probably
because
the
EPA
is
required,
or
you
have
large
problems
in
in
that
area
with
with
the
early
to
bed
not
being
in
the
expense
of
going
to
replace.
It
is
cheaper
for
you
and
the
long-run
to
go
ahead
and
hook
into
a
city
system.
H
H
F
I
I
A
F
F
A
F
F
C
C
F
Have
number
four
at
all:
well,
I
guess
it
was.
We
were
trying
to
mirror
what
was
on
annex
water,
extensions
and
possibly
because
there
I
think
there
were
places
where
a
large
facility
would
have
a
negative
him.
I
mean
would
surcharge.
The
pumping
station
I
was
thinking
mainly
more
on
west
view
area.
Cuz
I
thought
I
remembered
when
we
were
doing
that.
We
were
talking
about
that
larger
annexation
or
at
least
service
area
out
there
people
were
concerned
United
Apartments,
we're.
F
B
I
think
another
difference
is
in
the
sewer
one
you're
talking
about
the
owner,
agreeing
to
be
annexed
and
that's
not
spelled
out
in
the
water
extension
that
is
existing.
So
if,
if
we're
actually,
if
they're
going
to
be
annexed
and
they're
going
to
be
city
taxpayers,
then
maybe
there's
the
assumption
that
it
continues
to
pay
for
itself
in
a
big.
Maybe
we
don't
need
four.
In
that
case,
if
they're
actually
gonna
come
into
the
city,
but.
F
C
I
F
D
F
B
D
F
Assumption
that
number
one,
the
issues
would
be
resolved
by
meter,
reading
an
agreement
with
them
via
the
water
provider.
Should
that
be
a
problem?
Number
four
cap
is
limited
to
one
unit
per
property
per
lot
per
parcel.
We
use
the
word
personal.
Why
do
we
use
a
lot?
Oh
well
and
properties.
F
And
then
seven
is
some
owner
agrees
to
annexation
of
property
within
a
two
year
period
in
the
date
of
adoption
of
the
ordinance,
then
I'm
gonna
ask
Gary
or
ask
Debbie
to
ask
Gary
what
happens
if
they're
not
in
next?
How
can
we
tighten
this?
Could
we
ratchet
less
than
20
percent
after
two
years
surcharge
just
to
keep
them
going?
My
only
thing
is
them.
You.
C
D
F
Well,
number
seven
I
think
maybe
we
should
say
from
because
of
the
timing
because
of
getting
financing
because
of
all
of
the
above.
Maybe
we
need
to
well
I,
guess
we'll
just
unless
you
can
think
of
a
way
to
change
it,
they
could
ask
for
an
extension,
and
that
would
be
probably
an
administrative
well.
C
F
E
F
I
guess
the
bottom
line
is
and
I
think
I've
heard
other
people
there,
who
certainly
heard
the
administration
say
this
it.
We
started
talking
about
a
place
like
the
gas
company,
which
was
outside
side.
The
city
I
mean
we're
not
gonna
provide
service
to
them
our
way
unless
they
are
annexed.
Isn't
that
correct?
Yes,.
H
H
Where's
the
agreement
from
the
person
I
mean
I
would
have
something
in
there
to
say
you
have
to
have
a
binding
contract
or
we've
called
it
for
the
commercial
properties
we've
gone
through
and
done
a
development
agreement
which
then,
in
that
you
can
fit,
then
that
development
agreement
to
the
particular
circumstances
that
are
they're
a
little
better.
But
it
would
bother
me
that,
because
what
happens,
if
you
have
to
do
this
with
a
residential
property,
the
person
says
all
yeah
I'll.
H
H
F
H
If
it
was
a
business
and
say,
oh,
you
should
have
produced
X
number
of
tax
dollars
for
the
city
or
the
same
thing
with
the
property
taxes
on
someone,
even
residential,
the
city
should
have
been
receiving
revenue,
so
you
have
damages
that
are
real,
and
so
you
have
a
civil
suit
process,
because
you
do
have
an
agreement,
at
least
that's.
Maybe
my
non-elite
non-lawyer
interpretation,
but
at
least
that's
why
we
run
it
through
the
law
director,
but
I
think
there
there
has
to
be
an
acknowledgement
of
an
agreement
other
than
the
person
in
our
minute.
B
F
Years
I
have
the
intent
of
everybody
summarized
don't
have
Debbie
sick
I
said
have
a
second
meeting
with
Gary
and
the
mayor
of
concerning
options.
Okay,
we'll
see
how
it
works.
Okay,.
I
B
See
the
minutes
from
Monday's
meeting
showing
that
those
revisions
should
come
up
on
the
next
regular
council
agenda
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we've
got
the
right
language.
It
looks
like
there
were
two
different
ones
circulating
and
I
may
have
sent
the
wrong
one
to
you
for
the
committee
discussion
that
I'm
not
sure
how
that
went
in
the
discussion
on
Monday.
B
G
B
I
The
largest
addition,
okay,
she
she
stopped
in
to
see
me
today.
She,
the
short
50%
phrase,
was
what
was
returned
to
the
tree,
Commission
after
being
reviewed
by
the
law
director
and
as
I
understand
it
without
any
comments,
so
she's
supplying
us
with
the
total
with
language
that
the
tree
Commission
itself
adopted
and
just
asking
that
it
be.
She
wants
to
make
sure
that
it
was
reviewed
also
so
when
we
come
up
with
an
ordinance
and
I
by
the
large
rector
she'd,
like
the
complete
language
to
be
offered
as
a
possibility.
F
F
B
F
I
Haven't
just
to
miscellaneous
comments
in
your
mailboxes
council
members
received
copies
of
two
proposed
resolutions,
one
supporting
the
recommendation
of
the
Stroud's
run
task
force
and
the
other
ordinance.
This
is
actually
an
ordinance
I'm.
Sorry,
a
copy
of
a
proposed
ordinance
granting
a
revocable
license
to
the
allow
allow
the
development
of
the
continuing
care
retirement
community.
These
are
just
for
you
to
review
the
language.
H
Have
already
passed
an
ordinance
earlier
actually
late
in
2004
I
think
that
authorized
the
expenditure
appropriated
the
engineering
that
also
then
authorized
the
project
up
to
I
forget
the
exact
amount
we're
now
at
the
stage
with
ODOT
that
they've
approved
the
design
plans.
It's
going
to
be
a
base
bid
plus
an
alternate
for
a
slip
area
that
slipped
a
little,
but
we're
you
know,
isn't
damaging
the
road.
H
Yet
Oh
Todd
is
saying
they
don't
want
to
pay
for
that
because
it's
not
damaged
the
road
yet
so
I
wanted
to
do
it
as
an
alternate
so
that
if
the
bids
did
come
in
law,
we
might
want
to
take
that
as
an
option.
But
none
of
the
seven
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
of
owed
on
has
been
appropriated
yet.
So
this
would
appropriate
that
seven
hundred
fifty
five
thousand
the
no
dots
putting
into
the
project
and
would
slightly
change
the
authority
cuz.
H
What
I'd
like
to
do
until
we
get
the
bids
is
just
add
their
money
to
the
ninety.
Four
thousand.
We've
already
spent
an
engineer
in
costs
and
appropriated,
and
that
gives
us
a
little
more
more
money
than
just
spending
the
755,
but
it
allows
us
to
do
a
couple
of
those
improvements.
The
residents
asked
for
and
I
might
not
spend
at
all
or
I
might
be
back
to
the
saying.
Well,
we
got
the
bids
in
just
for
a
few
dollars
more.
H
H
E
G
H
We're
said
because
the
base
bid
includes
the
new
culvert
underneath
the
road
in
that
location,
mm-hmm
and
I
believe
some.
You
know
work
in
through
there,
but
that's
not
my
recollection.
For
me,
it's
been
a
while,
as
I've
talked
to
him
about
it,
I
don't
think.
That's
that's
the
slipper
area
that
he's
referring
to
where.
E
B
Yes,
I
just
have
a
procedural
question.
This
is
amending
the
o4
appropriation
ordinance
and
then
talking
about
what
will
be
appropriated.
So
this
will
be
reflected
then,
in
the
appropriation
ordinance
that
we
have
yet
to
do
right.
H
B
H
Procedurally,
see
that
the
auditor
cannot
anticipate
the
funds
until
the
year
they're
expected
to
be
received,
so
she
couldn't
put
in
this
is
a
2005
appropriations,
because
there
wouldn't
be
enough
money
there
to
cover
it,
so
she
asked
so
we
have
to
do
it
in
the
2006,
but
it
allows
me
through
this
ordinance
just
to
it.
Just
like
the
salt
and
this
and
the
other
items
you
approved
earlier
I've
already
put
that
in
the
O
six
appropriation
balance.
H
H
H
Southside
restroom
for
$60,000,
because
we
had
20,000
something
from
nature,
works
that
didn't
get
posted
in
that
I
can
find
yet
anywhere
and
meanwhile,
I've
come
back
to
you
about
police
cruisers
in
the
fire
department,
stuff
and
now
I
don't
have
fifty
five
thousand
dollars
left
in
the
appropriated
balance.
So
probably
what
I
will
do
on
that
check
with
the
auditor
tomorrow?
Island?
Wasn't
they
want
to
talk
to
her
today?
H
It's
just
include
that
in
the
O
six
appropriation
ordinance
because
again
we
we
have
enough-
and
we've
already
signed
the
five
thousand
dollar
agreement
for
their
architectural
services
and
that's
that's
covered,
but
if
I
run
into
a
problem,
I
may
be
asking
for
a
change
to
the
appropriation,
not
not
the
O
six
appropriation
ordinance
by
think.
There's
another
word:
that's
somewhere
in
route.
That's
got
some
appropriations
in
it
may
have
to
do
that.
H
H
There
is
a
section
of
road
all
maybe
850
to
a
thousand
feet.
That's
a
portion
of
it.
One
side
would
be
in
the
city
the
other
out
and
then
the
annexation
ends
because
of
another
property
owner,
and
so
both
sides
would
be
out,
and
it
doesn't
make
there's
a
section
that
I
I
have
to
look
at
my
notes
in
the
new
annexation
law.
They
had
a
section
that
that
was
one
of
the
things
you
were
to
try
to
avoid
doing
was
splitting
a
Township
road
mate
from
a
maintenance
standpoint.
H
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
because
it
doesn't
continue
on
to
anywhere
dead
ends,
so
we
have
to
work
something
up
with
the
Township
Trustees
on
that,
or
maybe
the
law
director
will
say,
Jesus
really
should
be
in
the
resolution
of
get
council
should
pass.
Of
course,
the
public
hearing
on
its
Tuesday,
so
I
just
wanted
to
alert
you
that
I'm
working
with
the
law
director
and
you
may
have
something
else.
They
had
to
say
a
chant
and
Wendy
cause.
H
Don't
want
this
one
get
turned
down
like
the
others,
others
are,
then
you
have
to
do
this
process
again,
we're
too
far
along
here,
and
that's
the
only
glitch
that
I'm
seeing
it
was
one
that
the
county
pointed
out
to
us.
I
didn't
see
it,
so
we
want
to
take
care
of
it
before
the
back.
If
at
all
possible,
the.
H
They're
doing
a
public
hearing
next
Tuesday
at
1:30.
They
have
then
up
to
30
days
to
make
their
determination
for
release.
So
we
could
go
to
there
and
say
we're
working
out.
I
did
talk
to
dick
Shaw,
one
of
the
Township
Trustees
tonight
about
it.
He
says:
we've
got
agreements
like
this
all
over
the
places,
because
there's
a
lot
of
the
roads
that
are
shared
in
essence
or
it's
just
like
Elliot's
Ville
Road
we
have
so
far.
H
But
if
their
plows
go
out
to
part
pile
the
rest
of
Elliot's
Ville
Road
and
they
see
we
haven't
gotten
down
to
it,
they
just
drop
the
plowboy.
It
do
it
same
thing
as
we
do.
When
we
do
Blackburn,
we
go
all
the
way
to
the
turnaround
at
stagecoach.
We
pile
part
of
their
Road
I
mean
that's
just
it's
just
normal
because
it
makes
sense,
but
this
one
will
require
some
kind
of
formal
agreement
is
with
what
my
understanding
is
Armitage.
Yes,
we're.
F
H
At
this
stage,
we're
only
time
we're
talking
only
about
the
one
that
has
been
accepted
by
the
Township
Trustees
through
the
county
engineer,
because
that's
all
it's
there
now
there
have
been
discussions
about
with
the
county
engineer
the
Township,
Trustees
and
ourselves
about
the
relocation
of
that
road.
But
I
don't
think
it's
occurred
yet
see.
H
If
it
doesn't
matter,
then
that
would
follow
the
same
things
you
have
within
your
already
within
the
ordinance
about
accepting
or
the
resolution
that
you
would
accept
roads
through
the
normal
process
that
we
would
do.
They'd
have
to
put
off
the
maintenance
bottom
that
have
to
be
built
our
specifications,
all
those
kinds
of
things,
I,
don't.