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A
Good
evening
welcome
to
Athens
city
council
tonight,
it's
Monday,
October
9th
2006
this
evening,
City
Council
will
be
doing
several
things.
The
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
comprehensive
plan.
After
that,
we
will
be
going
into
a
special
session
to
consider
just
two
ordinances
and
then
a
series
of
six
different
committee
meetings.
A
First
item
again
is
a
public
hearing
on
the
comprehensive
plan.
We
are
passing
around
a
sign-in
sheet
for
everybody
that
is
in
attendance
and
tonight
as
City
Council's
chance
to
listen
to
what
those
members
of
the
public
wish
to
say
about
a
comprehensive
plan
that
will
be
coming
before
us.
Who
would
like
to
speak
to
Council.
First.
B
The
executive
committees
of
Athens
neighborhood
associations
would
like
to
make
the
following
requests
regarding
the
city
of
Athens,
Comprehensive,
Plan
1,
a
process
for
updating
the
plan
should
be
created
very
soon
to
several
citizens
read
and
compared
the
version
of
the
comprehensive
plan
that
was
prepared
by
the
consultant
povenmire
and
the
version
that
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
we
have
compiled
all
of
the
differences
between
them.
One
obvious
difference
is
that
the
Planning
Commission
of
proof
document
is
very
well
organized
and
much
easier
to
read
3
as
a
result
of
our
reading.
B
We
support
accepting
the
Comprehensive
Plan,
as
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission,
with
one
caveat.
While
there
are
many
differences
between
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
povenmire
versions
of
the
plan,
there
are
three
that
should
be
reconciled
immediately.
Even
before
the
plan
updating
process
is
established.
We
request
the
council
start
the
process
for
reconciling
these
three
differences
at
the
next
council
meeting,
for
we
are
submitting
an
expanded
description
of
the
three
substances,
differences
which
are
the
absence
of
all,
but
two
of
the
references
to
watershed
and
vista
preservation.
B
The
revision
of
subsection
3
of
phase
1,
section
J,
which
is
on
accountability.
That
appears
to
change
some
of
the
intent
of
the
subsection
and
the
third
is
the
use
of
the
word
will
versus
the
word
should
in
phase
1.
So
these
these
are
the
three
things
that
we
think
need
need,
correct
or
need
reconciliation
right
away,
and
the
second
expanded
version
that
a
thing
that
I
passed
around
describes
all
of
these
in
detail.
B
And
then
our
fifth
request
is:
there
are
several
hundred
differences
between
the
two
versions
of
the
comprehensive
plan
over
100
of
which
should
be
carefully
reviewed
and
may
require
revisions
to
the
plan
very
soon.
We
are
pleased
to
see
that
this
comprehensive
plan,
which
was
initiated
by
citizens
paid
for
by
the
taxpayers
and
involved
extensive
citizen
input,
is
about
to
move
on
to
the
implementation
phase.
We
request
that
a
major
effort
be
undertaken
to
make
all
of
that
as
Athens
citizens,
aware
of
the
plan
and
its
contents.
D
B
E
A
E
C
B
E
F
Let
me
just
say
that
when
we
did,
this
I
was
reading
triangle
and
it's
a
wonderful
book,
but
anyway,
so
when
I
totally
lost
track
of
time.
But
having
said
that,
when
we
passed
the
plan,
we
said
they
were
the
same
thing
only
in
a
different
style,
so
the
style
was
different,
but
the
substance
was
the
same.
It
was
not
a
comprehensive
plan,
it
was
the
comprehensive
plan.
So
all
the
parts
are
supposed
to
be
in
both
sections.
So
this
must
be
an
oversight.
E
G
D
E
So
what
does
this?
What
are
we
saying
here
are
the.
F
H
A
B
G
B
G
B
I
E
J
Baum
20
Sunnyside
Drive
I
just
want
a
second
the
comments
of
Muriel,
grim,
I.
Think
all
in
all
the
substance
is
the
same.
We
could
then
argue
or
whether
one
of
those
hundred
changes
is
really
a
change
in
style
or
form
or
substance,
but
I
think
that
can
be
done
after
the
plan
is
adopted
and
I'm
pleased
at
this
time
that
we're
having
a
public
hearing
on
the
plan.
F
D
J
A
F
A
K
David
Ingram
120
Morris
Avenue,
a
member
of
the
Near
East
Side
neighborhood
association,
particular
reference
that
I
think
was
being
discussed
is
on
page
101
at
the
bottom
and
it's
g4
vistas.
It
says
the
map
show
significant
use
throughout
the
city
of
Athens.
There
is
no
reference
at
that
point
to
which
map
they're
referring
to
and
that
again
gets
of
the
somewhat
incompleteness
of
this
document.
Whether
I
think
there's
still
some
polishing
to
be
done
to
really
tie
ups
and
some
sense.
Some
of
these
loose
ends
the
original
reference.
K
A
I
Yeah,
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
comment
on
David's
work
at
the
committee
meeting
when
we
went
through
this
plan,
David
was
amazing
having
every
single
little
difference
marked
in
his
copy
and
could
could
flip
through
and
reference
them
back
cross
reference.
It
was
quite
amazing,
so
that's
quite
sure,
partly
why
they
have
over
100
recommended
changes
and
300
differences.
D
E
A
E
B
H
A
I
Mr.
president,
it
was
very
clear
to
me
last
week
during
and
following
the
meeting
that
some
review
is
necessary
in
terms
of
how
we
got
to
where
we
are
in
terms
of
strides
run
and
especially
in
terms
of
the
financials,
but
I
thought
it
was
more
than
that.
There
were
questions
from
as
basic
a
point
as
what
really
is
this
that
we
would
be
acquiring?
I
Has
there
been
adequate
public
input
and,
of
course,
the
cost
and
management
plan,
and
so
I
thought
I
would
back
up
a
little
bit
and
reiterate
some
of
that.
So
please,
if
you
do
recall,
indulge
me
a
little
here
and
if
you
don't
hopefully
you'll
have
some
information.
I
did
recopy
some
of
the
information
that
counsel
got
previously
and
put
it
in
the
mailboxes.
I
did
not
copy
the
old
version
of
the
agreements
and
so
on.
You
have
updated
versions
of
those.
First
of
all
the
drought
run
park.
I
I
I
The
second
question
was:
why
would
the
city
not
or
not?
Why
would
the
state
not
want
to
keep
the
park?
In
my
opinion,
the
state
has
let
us
down
a
little
in
terms
of
drugs
run.
We've
talked
a
great
deal
about
the
decrease
in
maintenance
of
the
park
that
the
upkeep
is
not
what
it
was
a
couple
decades
ago,
most
people
who
have
lived
here
for
a
while,
certainly
remember
a
beach
with
lifeguards,
and
there
there've
been
continuing
cutbacks
on
the
state
level.
I
It
does
cost
them
a
fair
amount
to
maintain
the
park
because
of
the
fact
that
they
are
maintaining
from
a
distance.
They
don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
an
office
east
state
street
that
that
can
administer
at
the
park.
Stroud
Sea
is
one
of
the
smaller
state
parks
and
is
a
lower
priority
than
the
larger
perks.
I
I
The
number
one
concern
of
people
who
said
no.
It
was
a
financial
concern
and
we
will
address
that.
Subsequently,
there
was
a
public
meeting
that
was
quite
well
attended
and
it
was
clear
at
that
meeting
that
there
was
a
lot
of
enthusiasm
and
a
lot
of
support
for
the
concept.
Also,
a
great
number
of
questions.
A
task
force
was
formed,
which
met
just
about
weekly
and
put
in
hundreds
of
hours
of
work.
A
part
of
that
was
to
identify
goals,
a
mission
statement,
a
vision
statement
to
try
to
find
direction
for
the
concept.
I
If
it
were
to
take
place.
This
committee
was
made
up
of
14
people.
It
include
an
environmentalist,
oh
you,
administrators
and
oh
you,
faculty
city,
people,
business
people,
representatives
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
of
tourism.
They
worked
tirelessly.
I
was
asked
about
late
winter
by
Wayne
key
to
begin
attending.
Those
as
I
was
the
chair
of
the
Arts
Parks
Recreation
Committee,
and
therefore
would
be
the
person
to
bring
this
forward
to
Council.
I
Those
who
were
on
that
committee
will
vouch
for
the
fact
that
from
the
beginning,
I
said,
the
number
one
question
from
Council
will
always
be
finance
that
they
will
have
a
lot
of
questions
concerning
how
it
works.
The
minutiae
of
the
plan
and
and
so
on,
but
that
it
would
come
down
to
dollars
and
cents.
I
Number
four:
why
would
the
city
want
to
take
over
ownership
and
management
of
Stroud's
run?
It
is
an
incredible
green
space.
We
hear
a
lot
of
discussion
of
the
value
of
our
hills,
the
beauty,
the
green
space
preservation
of
all
of
those
things,
and
so
that
is
kind
of
the
bottom
line,
but
it's
a
bit
more
than
that.
I
It
also
would
provide
us
the
opportunity
to
establish
an
endowment
fund
for
the
continued
support
of
Stroud's
run.
We
also
would
be
able
to
apply
for
grants
for
major
projects,
Epps,
trout's
run.
One
of
the
major
bottom
line.
Reasons,
however,
is
beyond
that.
It
is
for
protection
of
the
park
and
much
discussion.
I
took
place
during
the
agreement
process
in
terms
of
timbering
mineral
rights,
oil.
All
of
those
factors,
over
and
above
the
development
question,
which
seemed
a
bit
more
obvious.
I
Part
of
this
became
even
more
important
just
about
a
year
ago,
when
there
were
proposals
that
timbering
be
done
in
public
parks
in
order
to
mitigate
the
cost
of
running
the
parks
that
we
consider
selling
off
some
of
those
rights
in
terms
of
the
on
the
state
level
that
didn't
happen
at
that
time.
That
does
not
mean
that
the
topic
could
not
come
up
again.
I
Now
the
cost
much
has
been
discussed
about
how
the
cost
breaks
down
and
I
do
think
that
people
became
confused
Paul
suggested
last
week
that
perhaps
a
ballot
issue
would
be
appropriate
and
I
think
that
that
is
not
a
bad
idea.
I
would
propose
that
we
adopt
this
first
and
then
move
forward
for
a
future
possible
of
support
through
a
ballot
issue,
but
there
is
another
factor
in
that
that
I'll
bring
to
you.
I
brought
graphics.
I
Okay,
this
is
the
mirror.
It's
barebone.
Expenses
are
that's
what
it
says
right.
Yes,
the
mayor's
barebone
expenses
that
he
came
forward
with
it
that
he
felt
that
the
cost
would
be
for
personnel
and
for
materials
and
supplies
and
then
around
a
six
thousand
dollar
whole
back
or
cap
for
the
future,
so
that
came
out
to
less
than
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
granted.
That
was
spare
bones.
I
Well,
then,
the
question
came
up
of
well
what
about
the
other
side
and
the
misconception
that
this
meant
that
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
would
be
spent
on
the
park
over
and
above
revenue,
so
graphic
number
two
thank
you
is
the
obvious
revenue
and
that's
what
I
went
with
just
what
is
absolutely
obvious.
We
know
that
the
university
has
committed
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
next
year
in
terms
of
a
fee
to
help
support
the
park.
I
The
eighteen
thousand
I
took
from
the
records
that
we
did
get
from
ODNR
in
terms
of
absolute
money
that
came
in
to
the
park
through
their
division.
Now
the
question
came
up
of:
why
don't
they
have
more
figures?
The
answer
to
that
question
seems
to
be
that
a
lot
of
the
fees
were
collected
on
an
honor
system
that
when
you
went
to
a
campsite,
you
just
put
some
money
in
an
envelope
and
put
it
in
a
box.
They
come
through.
They
collect
those
boxes
and
they
enter
the
amount
from
several
parks
in
hot.
I
So
there
isn't
a
breakdown
or
the
local
park,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
there
aren't
accurate
figures
for
that.
So
I
just
took
what
they
did
say,
absolutely
that
they
had
$18,000
and
so
then
the
bottom
line
that
total
the
the
minimum
total
is
sixty
eight
thousand
dollars
and
then
you
go
down
and
the
difference
is
thirty,
seven,
thirty
thousand
seven
hundred
and
eighty
seven
dollars.
That
does
not
even
count
things
like
increased
revenue
by
renting
the
house.
Some
things
that
seem
like
they
could
be
pretty
obvious.
I
That
gives
us
time
to
create
a
management
plan
to
see
if
it
runs
the
way
that
we're
hoping
it
will
to
accept
partnerships
that
have
been
offered,
and
some
of
that
is
in
terms
of
financial
return.
Some
of
it
is
in
turn
I
in
terms
of
volunteerism,
which
could
reduce
personnel
part-time
hours.
So
my
feeling
is
that
we
certainly
can
take
a
look
at
at
our
figures.
We
have
money
in
enhancement.
That
would
be
a
possibility.
We
have
money
in
tourism.
That
would
be
a
possibility.
I
I
It
doesn't
take
away
from
fire
or
police
expenditure
because
it
can
come
from
funds
that
those
salaries
would
never
come
from
and
back
to
the
issue
of
the
ballot
issue.
Yes,
we
could
on
the
ballot,
but
the
smallest
increment
that
you
can
put
on
the
ballot
would
raise
a
hundred
and
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
at
this
point
all
we're
suggesting
is
thirty
thousand
dollars
a
year.
So
that
doesn't
mean
that
I.
Don't
think
that
that
is
a
concept
that
we
could
pursue
to
continue
the
park
or
to
improve
the
park.
I
But
I
don't
think
that
it's
necessary
before
accepting
the
park,
not
only
that,
but
the
the
offer
has
been
made
for
before
November
1st.
That's
why
this
special
meeting
for
the
second
reading
it
hasn't
been
made
indefinitely,
and
so
we
are
at
this
point
to
the
end
of
the
period
of
the
offer.
So
I
hope
that
people
will
carefully
consider
these
possibilities
and
consider
supporting
the
concept
of
Athens
becoming
the
parents
of
Strauss
run
further.
H
Heard
on
the
radio,
it
was
about
cost
anything
so
I'm
kind
of
confused
when
I
hear
that
on
the
radio
you're
stating
that
wouldn't
cost
us
anything.
Looking
at
the
letters
dated
March
9th
of
2006
from
Gary
Numan
from
Douglas
Frank
saying
it's
50,000
for
five
years
or
10,000
a
year,
I'm
reading
this
correctly,
this
is
the
packet
you
just
gave
me.
So
it's
not
really
fifty
thousand
for
the
first
year,
but
it's
five
to
ten
thousand
a
year
which
would
take
a
little
bit
off.
That's
68,000!
If
I
understand
my
math
correctly.
I
H
D
I
I'm
Doug
Franklin
is
here
this
evening
to
explain
it
from
his
perspective
and
he
was
kind
of
our
number
cruncher,
but
this
was
the
absolute
most
player
way.
I
could
state
it,
and
I
would
agree
that
it
could
cost
us
nothing,
but
what
I
was
putting
on
here
is
what
some,
where
you
know,
we
would
be
trying
to
come
up
with
that
other
30,000
in
terms
of
income,
which
is
very
possible
6,000
additional
dollars
concerning
the
rental
of
the
house.
That's
a
start
right
there.
The
other
thing
that.
D
I
Other
thing
that
I
put
on
there
is
that
the
forty
nine
five
from
the
state
we
have
suggested
that
it
go
directly
into
the
endowment.
So
we
have
the
endowment
fund
started
and
then
begin
to
approach,
people
who
might
be
interested
in
putting
that
in
their
will
groups
that
might
wish
to
contribute
to
it
and
begin
to
build
the
endowment
fund
with
the
idea
that
the
interest
from
the
endowment
fund
would
eventually
support
the
perk.
Other.
E
E
E
Looking
here
at
this
letter
from
you
mayor
able
to
Ric
a
Ramos
of
March
24th,
it
said
to
maintain
the
park
as
it
is
now
would
take
a
budget
of
approximately
157
thousand
dollars
a
year.
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
I
would
like
I
would
like
a
a
proposal
that
said:
here's
here's,
how
we
hope
to
maintain
this
is
kind
of
a
jewel
of
Athens.
Now,
rather
than
saying
how
cheaply
can
we
do
it
and
how
many
things
can
we
cut
so
I?
E
Don't
know
whether
you
know
whether
the
mayor
might
want
to
address
what
went
into
the
hundred
and
fifty
seven
and
and
does
that
represent
kind
of
a
different
level
of
service,
in
which
case
I'd
kind
of
like
to
hear
it
and
and
think
on.
You
know
what
that
means
in
terms
of
our
taking
over
the
park
and
whether
that
would
make
it
even
more
appealing
on
some
level.
L
E
E
L
There's
actually
in
the
budget
to
get
to
that
50,000
there's
about
three
different
positions.
One
would
be
an
overall
supervisor
35
weeks
a
year
for
20
hours
a
week.
Okay,
then
there
would
be
21
weeks
that
we
just
have
about
seven.
You
know
forty
hours
a
week
and
31
weeks
at
ten
hours
a
week
and
going
around
the
clock.
L
But
that
way
you
send
somebody
out
there
each
week
they
make
sure
the
trash
is
picked
up,
they
inspect
it,
etc,
but
and
then
there's
a
concession
stand
that
you'd
operate
153
days
for
eight
hours
a
day.
So
there's
a
cumulative
every
part-time
employees
I
boast,
but
mostly
budgeted
to
most
of
those
seven
dollars
an
hour
except
for
the
supervisors,
run
budget
at
fifteen
and
it's
really
running
it
with
part-time
people.
But
that's
what
I
was
asked.
L
E
Well,
yeah
I
mean
I,
think
level
of
service
is
important
and
and
and
I
know
that
I've
spoken
with
people
who
said
they've
been
out
there.
There
were
rowdy
people,
noisy
people,
people
throwing
potato
chips
in
the
lake,
and
if
there
are
no,
you
know
if
there
isn't
a
presence
out
there
that
pollutes
by
the
way,
if
there's
not
a
presence
there,
that's
what
concerns
me
that
we
kind
of
end
out
with
a
heaven
forbid.
You
know
like
a
dirty
lake,
you
know
in
a
dirty
park
and
and
and
an
unsafe
one,
so
I
guess.
E
My
question
now
is:
if
there
were
a
little
bit
more
active
management
so
that
there
were
more
staff
there
and
maybe
not
a
$7,
an
hour
person
selling,
you
know
ice
cream,
but
somebody
who
had
more
responsibility
for
safety
issues
and
helping
people
who
needed
help.
What
would
a
reasonable
you
know,
budget
for
that
be
157.
E
L
E
Various
things
right,
I
guess
what
I'm
getting?
Is
it's
not
the
money
that
drives
it
at
the
level
of
service,
so
I
know.
If
we
had
five
hundred
thousand,
we
could
have
a
fabulous
park,
but
I'm
saying
it's
like
in
order
to
for
safety
and
and
maintenance
so
that
there
are
people
there.
If
somebody
is
in
trouble
and
because
that's
a
I
suspect
there'll
be
a
different
expectation
of
the
city
owns
it,
you
know,
maybe
kids
will
decide.
That's
a
really
nice
place
to
go
and
learn
to
drink,
I,
hope,
I'm,
not
giving
anybody
ideas.
I
A
L
L
F
A
second
thing
that
I
find
troubles
them
is
that
it
has
to
be
done
by
the
1st
of
November
I,
guess:
they're,
probably
afraid
that
Strickland's
gonna
get
elected
and
maybe
there'll
be
a
new
infusion
of
money
into
regional
parks,
and
so
I
personally
am
somewhat
offended
by
that
approach.
A
little
bit
not
too
much
a
third
thing.
That
I
would
make
a
point.
You
know
just
a
bullet
a
hundred
and
twenty
six
thousand
is
what
Hawking
was
in
death
or
at
a
park.
That
was
in
much
better
condition.
F
Now
you
could
say
there
was
some
shenanigans
going
on,
maybe
as
they
were
talking
about
selling
and
getting
out
of
it,
but
like
Snowden
was
a
pretty
good
operation
and
it
was
compact,
as
opposed
to
spread
out
and
if
they
were
in
the
whole
126,000
that
doesn't
bode
well
for
our
future.
On
in
this
part,
and
last
but
not
least,
I
guess
I
would
say
that
when
you
acquire
land
you
have
some
expectation
of
revenue
on
it.
Usually
we're
gonna,
probably
double
the
size
of
the
city,
with
almost
no
expectation
of
any
revenue
coming.
F
Even
even
residential
rep
generates
seventy
five
dollars
on
each
dollar.
We
invest
in
it.
We're
gonna
be
putting
money
into
this
and
I
know
it's
all
good
to
have
green
space,
but
I
know
a
chris
ball
told
me
that
probably
and
I
hate
to
quote
her
but
I
guess
I'm,
going
to
because
I'm
gonna
put
some
lipstick
on
my
side
of
the
pig,
but
the
most
they
could
raise
was
somewhere
between
fifteen
and
twenty
thousand
unless
they
had
a
hawks
would
type
of
things.
F
H
The
discussion
of
level
of
service
I
have
to
look
at
the
level
of
service
of
police
litter
fire
as
well.
That's
really,
where
I'm
coming
from
I,
look
at
this
and
say
the
the
minimum
price
we're
looking
right.
There
maintains
it,
as
is
which
everybody
feels
is
not
adequate,
so
it's
going
to
cost
us
more
eventually,
if
I'm
reading
what
you
told
me
about
it,
twenty
percent
of
us
improve
this
266
2,600
acres.
So
we're
talking
about
what
five
hundred
acres
of
improved
area
that
has
to
be
maintained,
dusty.
D
H
I
You
know.
Different
groups
have
said
that
the
bicycle
people
have
said
that
they're
willing
to
help
support
the
gun
range
has
a
plan
for
some
income
there
in
terms
of
memberships,
to
make
it
a
safer
entity.
There
are
plans
that
could
generate
additional
funds.
Just
like
this
is
bare-bones.
This
is
bare-bones.
This
is
only
what
the
state
said
that
they
were
taking
in
cash
wise,
not
including
camp
sites
not
including
any
boat
rentals,
so
they're
on
both
sides.
H
I
H
E
I
M
Kind
of
wondering
how
I
should
approach
this
I
mean
I
could
go
and
try
to
pick
apart.
Everybody's
negative
thoughts,
I
had
a
rare
opportunity
to
be
the
moderator
at
the
Snowden
issue
down
in
Albany,
so
for
some
reason
or
other
I
seem
to
have
gotten
myself
into
a
couple
of
things
lately,
mostly
because
of
a
bent
towards
mine,
an
analytical
event
I
like
to
analyze
things:
I,
don't
really
go
through
anything
without
looking
at
it.
M
Turning
it
over
three
and
four
and
five
times,
I
was
interested
when
I
heard
a
comment
from
counsel
at
one
point
in
time.
We
really
didn't
know
anything
about
what
the
task
force
had
done
and
Carol
made
a
pretty
good
case
for
the
amount
of
time
that
we
put
in
I.
Don't
know
if
anybody
recall
has
ever
seen
something
like
this.
This
is
what
I
finally
called
my
sick
mind:
I
tend
to
put
things
down,
I'm
a
visual
person,
so
I
can
kind
of
articulate
you
know.
M
What's
on
this
paper
and
I
can
see
what's
going
on
each
one
of
these
things
indicates
either
a
document
that
was
reviewed
or
an
interview
that
was
conducted
by
no
less
than
three
or
four
people.
We
did
a
qualitative
and
quantitative
analysis.
We
looked
at
past
budgets,
we
looked
at,
we
talked
to
the
people
in
the
state.
I
had
various
different
classes,
doing
statistical
analysis.
M
We
conducted
a
an
open
forum
with
a
community
that
had
at
least
I
think
3035
people
there
and
we
came
up
with
our
recommendations
and
I
have
not
don't
think
the
committee
has
ever
strayed
from
those
recommendations.
This
is
not
a
freebie,
it's
3,000
acres,
it's
three
million
dollars
worth
of
land
and
you're,
getting
it
for
27,000.
It's
not
a
real.
You
know
for
me.
As
a
person,
that's
been
doing
business
for
30
years.
M
It
seems
like
a
pretty
good
deal
to
me,
I'm
just
kind
of
confused
on
how
we
go
down
these,
and
certainly
we
can
pick
it
apart
and
and
I
will
acknowledge
that
I
have
not
created
a
management
plan.
I
created
a
business
projection
of
five
years.
My
budget
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
mayor's
it's
a
little
bit
different
than
Carol's.
It's
probably
a
little
bit
different
than
cities.
M
It's
it
indicates
that
there's
about
49
grand
worth
of
revenue
to
be
generated
on
there
I
find
it
amazing
if
we
couldn't
think
about
generating
49
thousand
dollars
on
a
160,
acre
lake
and
2,600
acres
of
land,
I,
read
or
I
edited
the
statement
in
the
in
the
agreement
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
ability
to
generate
targeted
revenue,
not
a
general
access
fee,
but
targeted
revenue
revenue
to
be
generated
off.
The
gun
range
revenue
to
be
generated
on
the
lake
on
various
different
activities.
M
M
$50,000
I
donated
five
thousand
from
Campus
Recreation,
which
I'm
in
charge
of
I
convinced
my
Dean
of
the
importance
of
ten
thousand
dollars
for
the
academic
activities
that
go
on
in
our
College,
and
we
convinced
the
Dean
of
Arts
and
Sciences
that
there
was
significant
educational
activity
going
on
for
him
to
donate.
Ten
thousand
and
I
think
everybody
together
and
the
mayor
convinced
the
president
that
you
know
we
had
budget
units
donating
25
and
could
he
donate
25.
So
that's
the
$50,000
there.
M
M
M
It's
the
it's
the
best
case
scenario
for
offsetting
expenses
with
a
certain
amount
of
revenue,
one
of
the
things
and
I
will
say
this.
You
know
every
time
I
talked
about
Strads
run
and
the
reason
why
Snowden
was
so
much
different
than
Stratton.
Is
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
we're
trying
to
do
in
strategy?
One
is
to
protect
a
snowden
like
activity.
I
mean
there's
nobody
that
the
one
of
the
the
students
that
I
had
the
first
thing
came
out
of
his
mouth.
M
He
was
from
Hocking
ecology
said
we
should
sell
off
part
of
your
party
or
timber
to
generate
money
that
lasted
about
a
half
an
hour
to
meeting,
and
he
never
came
back
that
wasn't
the
goal
that
wasn't
our
mission
that
wasn't
our
vision
of
the
park.
The
park
was
a
natural.
The
people
of
Athens
wanted
a
natural
setting.
M
M
There
may
be
some
things
now
that
aren't
there
in
the
future.
Certainly
if
the
city
of
the
state
maintains
it
that
they
have
to
let
part
of
it
go
back
because
it
costs
money
to
maintain
that
ground.
But
if
the
city
were
to
take
care
of
it,
there's
a
lot
of
people
in
this
community
that
are
interested
in
that
kind
of
things.
I
think
everybody
around
the
table,
and
almost
everybody
here
will
acknowledge.
The
fact
that
Athens
is
unique.
M
Athens
has
a
unique
view
of
what
nature
is
about,
and
that's
what
that
setting
that's
what
they
want.
How
did
that
that
was
dows
of
original
vision
was
preservation
was
we
are
recovering
the
land
that
had
been
damaged
by
poor
farming
techniques,
and
so
part
of
this
is
this
continuation
or
this
this
this
rebirth
of
this
vision,
as
I
said
before,
my
budget
is
not
like
the
mayor's
I
called
for
about
forty
nine
five
the
first
year,
and
it
goes
up
to
about
sixty
three
thousand
over
the
next
five
years.
M
M
It'll
certainly
can
go
down,
depending
on
the
kind
of
revenue
that
you
could
generate
the
more
activity,
the
more
people
that
donate
time
I
mean
that
you
know
a
huge
number
of
trails
are
going
in
up
there
or
that
are
being
maintained
at
no
cost
or
very
little
cost,
whether
it
be
by
the
Athens,
Trail,
Commission
or
or
the
equestrian,
the
the
horseback
riders.
You
know,
Association
the
trail
bike
riders.
You
know,
whatever
those
groups
are
they're
the
people
that
are
maintaining
your
trails.
M
Those
are
the
people
that
part
of
those
14
people
that
that
were
hired.
They
were
maintaining
trails
before
at
one
time.
This
droughts
budget
was
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
I,
don't
think
anybody
the
state's
not
going
back
up
to
three
hundred
thousand
we're,
certainly
not
going
to
three
hundred
thousand
I.
One
of
the
paradoxes
that
we
found
was,
and
the
reason
why
the
state
wants
to
get
rid
of
this
is
it
is
not
one
of
their
gems.
Their
gems
have
lodges
on
them
their
gym.
Their
gyms
generate
lots
of
money.
M
They
either
have
golf
courses
or
large
lakes
or
lodges
and
cabins
and
those
kind
of
things,
and
it
generates
a
lot
of
money.
But
what
we
found
is,
as
the
money
goes
up,
as
the
revenue
goes
up,
so
do
the
expenses.
I
would
not
come
here
to
tell
you
that
we
want
to
put
more
money
into
that
park
from
a
revenue
generation.
Standpoint
is
going
to
get
to
a
point
where
that's
all
you
can
do.
M
I'll
answer
any
questions
as
far
as
the
task
force,
what
we
did
anything
about
the
budget
that
that
I've
created
I
certainly
understand
there
were
questions
about
Finance
I
can
tell
you
about
my
finances,
but
I
did
want
you
to
know
that
we
did
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
of
research.
We
had
two
or
three
classes
that
was
doing
qualitative
and
quantitative
research
on
this.
So
it
wasn't
one
of
these
things
where
we
all
got
around
the
table
and
say
gee
what
a
great
idea:
let's
go,
spend
some
money
there.
Any
questions.
M
Know
would
be
real
difficult
to
sit
up
here
all
right.
It
would
be
really
easy
for
me
to
list,
but
you
know
the
the
key
I
think
right
now,
if
I
were,
if
I
were
gonna
look
at
targeted
user
fees,
certainly
the
gun
range
would
be
a
place
for
targeted
user
fees,
whether
that
would
be
for
a
membership
kind
of
basis
to
use
that
to
put
money
back
into
that
to
that
facility
right
now,
it's
inadequate
for
anything.
M
You
know
that
it
was
originally
designed
for
which
originally
was
for
a
a
gun
range
for
long,
but
there
there's
not
I,
don't
believe
any
gun
ranges
in
the
Athens
area.
There's
I
think
one
over
in
Wellston,
I,
don't
know
of
any
around
the
area.
So
that's
a
unique
thing:
I,
like
unique
things.
You
know
we
have
a
ice-skating
rink
in
a
50-meter
pool,
an
indoor
tennis
facility
and
those
are
unique.
We
get
lots
of
participation,
targeted
participation
off
of
that
I
always
think
lessons.
M
M
As
the
as
the
mayor
and
Carol
said,
you
know
we
there's
a
there's
a
building
out
there,
that
building
was
meant
for
the
park
manager
and
the
park
manager.
No
longer
we
don't
have
a
park
manager
anymore,
so
it
gives
us
some
revenue
generation
capability
in
renting
that
facility
couldn't
tell
you
some
of
the
other
ones.
I'd
have
to
sit
down
and
have
a
conversation
with.
M
E
M
E
E
G
M
M
Listening
to
president
light
talk
about
what
his
vision
was
and
his
his
developers
and
the
fact
that
they
were
going
to
sell
off
a
portion
of
that,
it
said
I
think
in
some
people's
minds,
that's
what
that's,
what
the
opportunity
of
taking
strides
around
was
and
that
got
dismissed
so
quickly,
particularly
after
our
study.
After
our
study
there
wasn't
any
there
wasn't
ever
any
discussion
about
development.
There
wasn't
any
discussion
about
selling
their
plans.
There
wasn't
any
discussion
about
selling
off
timber.
There
wasn't
any
discussion
about.
M
You
know
creating
a
larger,
more
heavily
concentrated
recreation
park.
It
was
much
more
of
what
we
were
going
to
maintain
this
as
a
low-impact,
Natural
Park.
So
again,
that's
a
little
bit
different.
When
you
start
talking
about
things
that
drive
the
costs
up,
heavy
recreation
drives
cost.
That,
in
a
nutshell,
is
what's
happening
to
ODNR
right
now.
They
cannot
afford
to
maintain
that
paradox
of
growing
facilities
and
having
inadequate
revenue
to
offset
those
expenses.
We
we
acknowledge
that
right
up
front
and
we
develop
the
budget.
That
was
a
workable
budget.
Thank
you.
I'm.
E
M
A
M
Couldn't
tell
you
what
the
state
would
do
or
wouldn't
do,
but
they
could
I
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
what
their
capabilities
are.
I
do
know
that
that
part
of
the
discussions
that
we
had
there
were
various
different
people
saying
exactly
that
they
could
do
this.
They
could
sell
this.
They
could
sell
off
pieces
of
land,
they
could
sell
off
whatever
and
I
can't
tell
you
that's
what
the
pace
would
be.
I
can
tell
you
why
the
November
1st
deadline,
which
is
kind
of
interesting,
because
we've
been
doing
this
now
for
two
years.
M
M
Not
like
one
of
these
things
we're
trying
to
back
everybody
up
what's
happening.
Is
everybody
knows
the
election?
Is
there
you
have
a
group,
that's
in
they
have
the
control
right
now
of
being
able
to
do
this,
and
they
want
to
use
this
as
a
model.
That
was
the
original
plan,
which
they
use
this
as
a
model
for
those
communities
that
had
the
capability
in
the
capacity
to
take
these
kind
of
parts
and
make
them
local
parks.
N
N
Local
protection
for
this
Park
will
ensure
that
there's
going
to
be
a
longer-term
protection
of
the
biodiversity
values
that
are
found
in
this
part,
and
this
bark
has
a
lot
of
really
unique
areas.
Has
rock
outcroppings?
Has
you
know
a
lot
of
high-value
habitat,
high-value,
wilderness
type
settings
that
people
when
we
were
doing
our
research,
really
admire
and
acknowledge
as
being
a
true
gem?
The
state,
as
Doug
has
said,
doesn't
see
this
as
a
true
gem,
because
it's
a
podunk
little
Park
down
way
off.
N
Does
it
have
its
own
little
freeway
exit
and
everything,
and
because
of
that,
there
is
a
tendency
for
large
bureaucracies
to
kill
by
benign
neglect
they
think
they're
not
doing
anything
to
it,
but
by
having
it
so
low
on
the
priority
list
for
any
sort
of
management
or
facility
upgrade
facility,
any
sort
of
putting
any
sort
of
extra
money
into
it
puts
it
at
a
risk.
Right
now
you
have
problems
with
the
lake.
The
lake
is
at
risk
of
having
nutrient
build-up
partially
from
the
watershed,
but
a
lot
from
the
geese.
N
N
Water
quality
issue
is
a
huge
issue
for
the
lake,
and
you
know,
as
Athens
Conservancy
we've
been
trying
to
address
that
issue
on
a
watershed
basis,
but
if
that
water
gets
to
be
have
such
a
high
nutrient
level
can
go
into
trophic
ation,
which
means
you
have
a
dead
nasty
stinky
link
nobody's
going
to
use
it.
The
state
has
that
at
a
very
low
level
right
now,
a
lot
of
the
management
that's
being
done
at
the
park
is
being
done
by
local
people.
A
lot
of
people
and
mountains
are
concerned
about
capacity.
N
Do
we
have
the
professional
capacity
to
take
care
of
this
park
and
my
overall
feeling,
after
working
with
people,
Athens
conserving
anthems,
trails,
the
University
and
the
Strauss
run
task
force?
We
have
a
lot
more
capacity
at
available
than
the
state
does
people
are
already
doing
management
of
trails,
development
of
trails
that
stakes-
you
know,
high-level
expertise.
New
trails
are
being
developed
by
volunteers.
N
Management
plan
will
never
ever
be
written
for
this
park
from
the
state.
They've
already
said
done.
A
management
plan
is
essential
for
this
park
to
protect
the
resources
that
are
there.
You
can
do
that
at
a
local
level.
We
have
the
expertise.
We
have
multiple
departments
at
the
University
has
the
expertise
and
we
have
expertise
in
the
community.
Who
can
do
it
now?
I
mean
I've,
seen
management
plans
written
for
parks,
larger
with
more
problems
done
on
local
level
by
volunteers,
it's
not
impossible.
N
Local
control
will
be
able
to
protect
the
all
the
volunteer
hours
that
go
into
it.
That's
already
being
done.
We
as
local
control,
local
management
and
local
planning
will
be
able
to
direct
that
into
the
areas
that
are
needed.
You
know
protection
of
watershed,
quality,
watershed
and
water
management
problems
can
be
addressed
locally
and
it
will
ensure
the
efficiency
of
what's
going
on
already.
The
state
will
neglect
it.
N
N
I
have
been
told
by
several
people
who
do
forest
issues
that
the
lame-duck
session
could
be
a
very
very
shall
we
say
bloody
session
when
it
comes
to
environmental
and
natural
resource
bills,
especially
if
Strickland
gets
in,
because
there's
going
to
be
a
feeling
that
they're
going
to
want
to
get
out
as
much
as
they
can
before.
A
new
mindset
sets
in-
and
it's
been
told
to
me
by
several
people
who
do
forest
management
and
lobbying
for
these
sort
of
things
for
protection,
of
course,
but
that's
on
that's
one
of
their
number
one
priority.
N
N
Local
control
will
ensure
that
that
will
not
happen.
The
deed,
there's
deed
restrictions
that
Lakes
no,
you
will
never
ever
be
able
to
happen
to
Strauss
rooms,
and
we
made
sure
we
read
it
all
together
as
a
task
force.
The
the
conditions
in
this
because
of
what
was
going
on
at
snowy,
so
I
think
for
conservation,
the
conservation
ideals
and
the
resources
that
are
out
there.
The
only
thing
I
really
see
is
long
term
protection
is
to
get
local
control
of
it,
because
the
state
will
neglect
it
into
oblivion.
N
So
I
would
really
encourage
them
to
look
beyond
the
amount
of
money
that
we're
talking
about,
which
is
you
know
what
one-half
of
what
we
spend
for
Halloween
night
I
mean
you
really
start
thinking
about
it
to
ensure
that
long-term
protection
and
coordination
happens
for
this.
That
has
so
much
potential.
You
know
recreation,
economic,
huge
ban
of
protection,
so
thank.
O
And
I'm
the
the
of
the
the
faction
that
supports
the
the
possibility
of
putting
together
club
to
support
the
gun
range
out,
its
droughts
run
and
I'm
gonna
compliment.
You
know
Carolyn
and
Doug,
both
on
bringing
forth
the
fact
that
it
certainly
does
represent
an
area
of
the
park
that
could
generate
revenue.
However,
I'm
gonna
fault
them
in
that
I.
Don't
think
that
their
estimates
are
anywhere
near
optimistic
enough.
A
O
You're,
if
you're,
not
a
golfer,
you
don't
know
who
golf's
you
know.
You
don't
know
who
goes
to
the
golf
course.
You
have
no
idea
what
the
golf
course
even
is
for
that
for
the
most
part,
I,
certainly
don't
you
know,
but
but
the
gun
range
I
do
know
where
it
is
and
I
do
know
that
it
is
frequently
used
and
I
do
know
there.
O
They
say
a
high
level
of
interest
because,
as
Doug
pointed
out,
it
is
kind
of
a
unique
gun
range
in
this
area,
but
you
weren't
wrong
about
one
thing:
Doug
there
are
a
lot
of
gun
ranges
in
this
area.
They
are
private
clubs
Strauss
run.
Is
you
kind
of
unique
in
that
area?
There's
a
even
more
feeble
remnant
of
a
range
over
at
Lake
Hope,
but
it's
really
sad.
Strauss
run
the
cause
of
its
geography
and
its
location
represents
the
opportunity
to
develop
I,
think
tourism
jewel
for
this
area
and
I
would
point
out.
O
F
O
Folks,
sportsmen
in
this
state
provide
millions
upon
millions
upon
millions
of
dollars
in
tax
revenue
every
single
year,
we're
not
to
Sierra
Club
we're,
not
the
trustafarians,
we're
not
out
there
trying
to
I,
don't
know
hug
the
trees
and
save
the
world,
and
you
know
kiss
the
baby
whales.
We
pay
the
bills.
O
We
certainly
have
some
some
problems
with
that.
We
would
love
to
have
the
opportunity
to
help
educate
them
and
ensure
that
they
do
operate
in
a
little
more
responsible
manner.
Please
give
us
that
opportunity.
We
are
more
than
willing
to
to
take
upon
that
burden
now
back
to
the
money
side
of
the
thing.
Besides,
just
the
you
know,
the
actual
dues
that
people
will
willingly
pay
and
in
probably
far
larger
numbers,
and
you
might
estimate
let
us
get
back
to
some
of
the
tax
issues.
O
There
are
taxes
above
and
beyond
sales
taxes
levied
on
the
cell
of
every
box
of
ammunition,
every
firearm,
every
bow,
every
arrow
in
the
state
of
Ohio
and
in
states
all
over
the
country.
Those
funds
are
collected
primarily
at
the
federal
levels,
to
some
extent
at
state
level,
and
they
are
set
aside
for
specific
grant
programs
that
can,
in
turn
be
utilized
to
expand
gun
ranges
and
to
help
with
environmental
remediation.
C
D
P
P
P
At
that
point,
there
are
some
very
positive
things
that
are
getting
ready
to
happen
specifically
to
our
County
and,
of
course,
there
related
to
tourism,
because
that's
what
I
like
to
talk
about,
but
they
actually
have
the
possibility
of
impacting
a
lot
of
other
people
in
this
area.
Of
course,
the
highway
project.
That's
going
in
it's
going
to
become
easier
for
people
to
get
here.
I
like
that.
P
There
are
three
big
tourism
development
projects
in
the
works
that
Athens
County
happens
to
fall
within.
Two
of
them
are
being
sponsored
by
the
National
Trust
for
Historic
Preservation
they're
called
share
your
heritage
projects.
These
projects
focus
on
conservation
and
preservation
to
different
group
from
the
National
Trust
have
visited
Athens
County
within
the
last
two
months,
and
they
could
not
believe
the
natural
resources
that
were
here.
The
historic
buildings
are
fantastic
as
well.
P
Well,
we
talked
at
length
about
the
opportunities
for
Strauss
run
and
what
it
could
mean
to
this
area,
the
economic
impact
that
it
represents
for
this
area,
so
I
know
that
we're
looking
at
cost
I
know
that
we're
thinking
about
what
it
might
cost
us
next
year,
what
it
might
cost
to
replace
the
parking
lot
or
update
the
dock
or
all
the
maintenance
issues
that
come
with
a
piece
of
property
that
size,
but
I
really
want
you
to
think
about.
The
economic
impact
of
droughts
run
over
the
course
of
the
next
10
to
15
years.
P
The
cabins
and
bed-and-breakfasts
are
growing
in
Athens
County,
and
there
are
several
of
them
that
have
properties
adjacent
to
the
park
and
they
thrive
because
people
want
to
stay
there
and
be
close
to
Strauss
run.
Some
of
them
offer
horseback
riding
straight
from
their
cabins.
Some
of
them
offer
bike
riding.
Some
of
them
will
provide
adventure,
weekends
using
kayaking
or
canoeing
on
Stroud's
run,
and
these
cabins
and
bed
breakfasts
are
getting
bigger.
They're
lodging
tax
revenue
from
the
second
quarter
of
2005
to
the
second
quarter
of
2006
doubled
they're
only
getting
bigger.
P
In
fact,
they
have
a
meeting
on
the
other
side
of
town
tonight
that
I'm
not
advocates
I'm.
Here
talking
with
you,
begging
you
to
take
some
consideration
of
what's
happening,
I
want
you
to
be
prepared.
Someone
said
to
me
the
other
day
and
when
I
was
out
at
the
National
timber
and
outdoor
show
that
all
these
things
are
getting
ready
to
happen
and
what,
if
we
get
caught
unprepared,
what?
If
we
don't?
What?
P
If
we're,
not
prepared
for
a
lot
of
people
to
begin
taking
notice
of
that
of
southeast
Ohio
and
specifically
of
Athens
County,
keep
in
mind
also
that
the
city
of
Athens
has
the
infrastructure
to
support
visitors.
We
have
the
hotels,
we're
getting
more
hotels.
That
makes
me
a
little
nervous.
I
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
we're
getting
more
more
attention
paid
to
this
area,
and
we
need
to
respect
the
fact
that
we
are
unique.
We
need
to
capitalize
on
the
fact
that
we
are
unique
and
we
need
to
preserve
and
conserve
our
uniqueness.
P
P
Last
week
he's
worked
tirelessly
for
the
last
couple
days,
printing
and
printing
maps
for
me,
because
we've
had
so
many
people
ask
us
specifically
about
Stroud's
run
and
about
the
athens
preserve
and
sales
park
area,
and
so
we
are
developing
areas
in
our
visitors
center
where
people
can
come
in
and
look
at
those
maps
our
little
copied
map
that
we
have
of
all
those
trails
back
there.
It's
not
the
prettiest
map
that
we
have
it's
the
cheapest
map
that
we
have
it's
the
most
popular
map
that
we
have
people
want
to
know.
P
What's
half
I
probably
gave
10
of
those
maps
away.
Today
we
gave
a
ton
of
them
away
at
the
National
timber
and
outdoor
show
to
people
from
all
over
the
country.
They
could
not
believe
that
we
had
all
this
right
here
in
the
middle
of
this
little
area,
so
I
encourage
you
to
conserve
and
preserve
the
uniqueness
and
think
about
now
that
the
cost
is
going
to
be
next
year,
but
what
it
might
provide
to
the
city.
Ten
years
from
now,
Thank.
P
We
also
have
several
outdoor
adventure
experts
who
are
running
programs
right
now
out
of
Strauss
run,
Mimi
Morrison
and
her
touch.
The
earth
adventure
program
is
a
great
example
of
someone.
Who's
developed,
a
living
in
a
business,
helping
other
people
from
outside
of
the
area
learn
about
nature
challenge
themselves
in
ways
that
they
haven't
been
challenged
before
a
strong
trend
is
a
perfect
place
to
do
that.
The
waves
aren't
too
big.
You
can
get
from
one
side
of
the
lake
to
the
other
very
easily.
P
It's
a
great
place
to
learn
about
nature,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
know
that
the
task
force
has
really
talked
about
and
focused
on,
and
it's
one
of
the
things
that
we
want
to
capitalize
on
from
a
tourism
standpoint
is
that
it's
an
easy
place
to
learn
something
new.
It
also
represents
a
place
for
us
to
sort
of
expand
our
boundaries
a
little
bit
I.
Well,
I,
don't
see
it
happening
in
the
first
year
that
we're
open
I,
definitely
just
see
the
potential
for
more
groups
and
festivals
to
come
out.
P
There
I
see
the
potential
with
the
changes
going
on
at
Lake
Snowden
for
some
of
our
bigger
camping
groups
who
may
have
camped
out
there.
Previously
we
have
a
couple
of
groups
that
have
camped
out
at
Lake
Snowden
for
years
they
might
be
looking
for
a
new
place
to
camp
and
we
need
to
be
able
to
retain
those
visitors
to
this
area,
especially
groups
that
have
a
hundred
to
125
people
that
come
in
at
a
time.
P
They
look
forward
to
coming
here
every
year
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
can
continue
to
come
here,
and
you
know
from
our
standpoint
we're
going
to
continue
to
go
after
the
group
to
our
market,
and
that
means
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
tell
our
story
to
a
lot
of
people
at
one
time,
and
we
know
that
those
people
that
come
on
group
tours
are
more
likely
to
come
back
on
their
own
individually
and
see
those
things
that
they
saw.
Initially.
P
The
first
time
here
and
strout's
run
is
a
great
example
of
a
place
where
we
could
take
a
group
tour.
They
can
have
a
picnic
out
there.
They
might
be
able
to
try
their
hands
at
walking
through
the
trails,
kayaking
or
canoeing
fishing.
There's
all
kinds
of
things
that
people
can
do
out
there,
and
you
know
we
see
a
lot
of
potential
and
again
if
anyone
wants
to
come
by
the
office
and
look
at
the
maps
and
listen
to
me
and
Gina,
and
the
Lena
and
Michelle
talk
to
you
about
how
excited
we
are.
P
A
You
Paige
I.
We
have
read
one
ordinance
during
a
special
session
and
it
has
been
one
hour
now.
I
really
hate
to
enforce
the
three
minute
limit
to
all
speakers
and
I
really
have
ignored
it
tonight
terribly
and
that
people
are
wanting
to
speak
in
opposition
to
this
I'm
not
going
to
institute
it
now
at
this
late
hour.
But
I
would
ask
those
that
still
wish
to
speak
before
council.
Please
do
but
these
product
kickers
comments,
concise
Bob.
Did
you
wish.
Q
Currently
according
this
is
according
to
the
Stroud
on
economic
impact
recommendations.
Currently,
every
single
State
Park
of
a
comparable
or
larger
size
in
Ohio
is
incurring
operating
loss
losses
and
is
in
the
red.
This
indicates
that
the
state
parks
in
Ohio
are
not
able
to
generate
a
sufficient
amount
of
revenue.
We
know
that,
as
of
the
current
situation
for
the
city
to
operate
the
park,
subsidizing
would
have
to
take
place
in
some
way.
Q
Okay,
so
we've
just
mentioned
some
of
the
add-ons
as
people
walk
into
the
park
being
charged
to
camp
being
charged
to
swim
being
charged
to
park.
One
of
the
things
that,
at
the
tail
end
of
the
revenue
generation
suggestions,
says
the
final
recommendation.
Raising
taxes
would
be
the
most
difficult
one
to
gain
approval
for
or
to
implement.
Q
So
these
would
be
final
resorts
if
all
these
great
things
don't
come
about,
it's
terrific
that
the
bed
and
breakfast
are
burgeoning
out
that
way,
but
are
we
going
to
charge
them
to
use
the
lake?
At
that
point?
Is
there
going
to
be
some
sort
of
licensing?
Why
should
these
people
get
it
for
free
and
people
going
into
the
park
would
have
to
pay
for
something
like
that
again
that
decreases
use.
Q
When
we
talk
about,
for
instance,
Torch
Park,
which
is
currently
under
the
operation
of
the
Athens
County
Commissioners,
which
is
40
acres,
they
already
say
that's
a
very
difficult
operation.
Just
in
40
acres,
they
don't
understand
how
the
city
of
Athens
is
going
to
be
able
to
operate.
Strauss
run
when
we
talk
about
selling
off
rights
to
timber
and
gas.
I
have
to
really
regard
that
as
a
scare
tactic.
Q
To
be
honest
with,
you,
I
think
that
if
we're
talking
about
Republicans
being
turned
out
of
office
up
in
Columbus,
I
think
the
last
thing
they
want
to
do
is
something
as
unpopular
as
this.
If
they
ever
wanted
to
return,
putting
Stroud's
to
a
popular
vote
after
adaptation
of
this
ordinance
would
be
like.
You
know
to
use
the
cliche,
putting
the
cart
before
the
horse.
You
you
adapt
the
ordinance
and
then
tell
ask
people
if
they
want
to
do
this
or
not
or
if
they
want
to
be
taxed.
For
this
or
not.
Q
Obviously,
the
popular
vote
should
be
the
thing
that's
out
front
before
you
adapt.
You
have
the
concerns
about
strata
of
the
Dow
dam
once
that
is
supposedly
up
to
state
standards.
It's
turned
over
to
the
city
again,
if
anything
ever
happened
with
with
the
Dow
dam.
Is
the
city
prepared
to
deal
with
that
and
while
a
lot
of
people
would
say
well,
it
hasn't
done
anything
yet
and
it
won't
in
the
future
or
we'll
take
that
chance.
Q
I,
don't
think,
as
governors
of
a
city
that
you
really
have
can
can
let
something
like
that
just
go
by
the
wayside,
without
giving
it
very
serious
thought,
one
of
the
other
things
in
terms
of
charging
target
user
fees
again,
quoting
from
the
feasibility
study
quote.
High
levels
of
unemployment
and
low
levels
of
per
capita
income
in
Athens
County
create
an
environment
that
is
not
conducive
to
parks,
potential
for
revenue
generation
through
user
fees
for
services.
Q
We
have
the
other
thing
that
Councilwoman
Bishop
brought
up
that
if
you
own
something
it's
your
responsibility
to
take
proper
care
of
it,
and
we
have
to
look
back
at
the
city
and
if
we're
going
to
operate
the
Stroud's
run
on
98
thousand
dollars.
A
concern
I
would
have
is:
are
we
going
to
stretch
current
city
services
in
order
to
get
out
there
and
do
work?
Q
That
needs
to
be
done
and
in
fact,
in
the
feasibility
study,
it
says
that,
in
order
to
keep
that
99,000
budget
and
I'm
filling
that
in
current
city,
services
will
likely
suffer.
The
study
states
that
quote,
for
example,
cutting
grass
at
Stroud
run,
might
preclude
cutting
the
grass
is
often
at
another
city
park.
Fixing
a
shelter
or
a
water
line
might
mean
that
some
other
less
critical
repair
is
delayed.
Q
Q
Does
that
get
even
worse,
when
our
attention
also
turns
itself
to
Strauss
run
the
condition
of
the
when
we
talk
about
tourism,
we're
talking
about
the
brick
streets
and
the
city
made
a
big
commitment
to
the
brick
streets,
because
that
was
going
to
make
us
look,
retro
and
historic
and
and
what
and
I
add
to
our
charm
as
a
small
city
in
southeast
Ohio
and
if
you've,
driven
on
the
bricks?
Is
therein
shoddy
condition,
you're
talking
about
bricks
that
are
sticking
up
where
people
can
trip
over
them?
Q
You're
talking
about
bricks
that
have
disappeared
and
have
been
repaired.
You're
talking
about
bricks
that
have
fallen
by
the
wayside
and
cement
has
been
slapped
down
to
take
up
for
the
bricks
you're
talking
about
if
you're
driving
on
North,
Court
Street
god
help
you
with
the
the
newly
laid
brick.
You
know
you
would
need
a
terrain
vehicle
to
drive
on
that.
In
fact,
you've
already
had
a
number
of
people
that
I've
talked
to.
You
said
they
tried
to
avoid
driving
on
that
part
of
the
street.
For
that
very
reason,
not
a
great
commercial
idea.
Q
When
we
talk
about
Halloween,
the
city
has
taken
almost
30
years
and
still
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
cover
the
cost
of
$60,000
for
Halloween.
You
have
to
pick
and
choose.
If
Halloween
is
really
important
to
you,
then
you
have
to
put
things
like
strategy
on
the
side.
A
lot
of
the
questioning.
Also,
why
hasn't
a
lot
of
the
specific
planning
been
done
again?
Q
Q
The
all
the
the
final
couple
points
that
I'd
like
to
make
that
we
talked
about
having
an
endowment
fund
and
basically
I
think
you
would
need.
According
to
the
study
here,
you
would
need
2
million
dollars
just
to
have
100
thousand
dollars
of
interest
generated
from
that
money.
That's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
generate
two
million
dollars,
especially
if
it
only
comes
in
at
five
thousand
or
ten
thousand
dollars
a
shot
and
again
that's
not
money
to
be
used
for
current
operating
costs.
Q
Q
Q
Think
that's
a
terrific
idea
because
if,
as
some
people
have
earlier
suggested
that
the
whole
region
stands
to
gain,
then
I
don't
understand
why
more
regional
partners
have
not
come
forth
and
committed
to
this
plan
and
letting
the
city
of
Athens
go
at
it
alone
and
therefore
incurring
the
the
the
brunt
of
the
costs.
Thank
you
very
much
other
comments.
R
If
you
have
a
comment,
an
issue
or
a
question
at
this
point,
you
have
have
just
a
group
of
people
that
are
just
absent
and
so
I
would
really
really
like
to
see
us.
Take
that
chance,
an
attempt
to
try
to
rectify
this
park
and
bring
it
back
to
some
level,
maybe
not
the
level
that
it
was
when
I
was
a
kid,
but
something
that
would
that's
better
than
what
it
is
currently.
Thank.
S
Phil
cam,
Tino,
33,
cable
Lane
course,
you've
heard
from
me
several
times
before.
You
know:
I
support
the
ordinance,
so
I
will
be
very
brief.
I
realize
this
is
a
difficult
decision
as
an
important
decision,
but
one
thing
I
ask
is
that
you
take
a
long
term
view
on
this.
This
is
an
extraordinary
opportunity
in
the
state
of
Ohio.
Probably
in
the
country,
there
must
be
rather
few
communities
the
size
of
Athens
that
have
a
what
2700
acre
park
is
a
recreational
and
educational
resource
for
the
citizens.
S
This
cannot.
This
is
bound
to
attract
people
to
Athens
and
to
owe
you,
as
well
as
increasing
tourism
revenues,
as
Paige
pointed
out,
I
understand
from
what
Carol
is
said,
that
this
is
going
to
cost
a
maximum
of
$30,000
a
year
initially,
and
that
is
due
in
part
to
the
generous
contribution
from
the
University
on
this
a
very
important
partner.
It
is
probable
that
that
cost
will
go
down,
as
this
endowment
is
built
up
gradually
as
I'm
sure
it
will
be,
and
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that
really
care
about
that.
S
S
If
this
has
been
pointed
out,
but
again
it's
very
important
to
me
as
being
a
city
prop
being
city
property.
The
park
will
be
protected
if
the
state
legislature,
in
its
wisdom,
decides
to
to
go
ahead
with
the
idea
of
logging
or
drilling
in
in
state
parks
and,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
the
agreement
when
the
OU
DNR
has
protections
prohibitions
against
commercial
logging
against
drilling
off
road
motor
vehicle
use
and
commercial
development.
S
So
the
environment
in
the
park
really
will
be
much
safer
than
it
would
be
in
the
state,
hands
and
I
agree
with,
what's
been
pointed
out
by
Chris
among
others,
that
there
is
more
than
enough
expertise
and
enthusiasm
in
this
community
to
develop
a
really
fine
management
to
manage
the
park
wisely.
So
you
know
I
ask
you
again
to
think
in
the
long
term.
You
know
50
years
from
now.
Is
anyone
gonna
know
or
care?
If
you
know
the
city's
budget
in
2007
was
a
bit
stretched.
S
If
we
had
to
mow
median
the
scripts
a
little
less
frequently
I
doubt
it,
but
I
think
that
people
will
appreciate
this
magnificent
Park
that
you
know
this
may
are
in
this
city.
Council
had
the
foresight
to
acquire
when
there
was
the
opportunity
to
acquire
for
future
generations.
If
that
is
indeed
what
you
decide
to
do
so
I'll
leave
you
with
that.
Thank
you
for
hearing
me
again
on
this
thanks
Phil.
F
T
So
the
main
item
that
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
to
talk
about
the
comprehensive
plan
and
where
we
go
next,
with
that
I
do
have
a
list.
I
asked
each
of
the
people
who
were
comparing
the
different
versions
of
the
plan.
People
were
looking
at
different
pieces
of
it
to
send
a
list
of
things
that
they
found
that
were
discrepancies,
so
some
of
them
are
the
larger
issues
that
people
spoke
to
earlier
in
the
public
hearing.
Some
of
them
are
kind
of
details.
T
Carol
went
through
the
things
related
to
arts
and
transportation,
and
some
of
the
things
are
really
very
specific
wording
like
the
fact
that
it
doesn't
reference
performing
arts
specifically
might
make
the
city
ineligible
for
some
grant
funding
possibilities.
So
some
of
them
are,
you
know,
fairly
small
things,
but
that
could
be
significant.
So
we
have
a
list
and
I
will
make
copies
of
this.
For
everybody.
We
did
have
a
little
work
session
with
people
who
were
able
to
meet
over
the
lunch
hour.
T
The
omission
of
the
viewsheds
and
vistas
the
provision
of
around
accountability,
and
the
use
of
the
word
will
in
rather
than
the
word
should
other
way
around.
So
then,
those
that
we
would
ask
the
Planning
Commission
to
work
with
us
right
away
to
come
to
a
resolution
on
those
issues,
but
instead
of
getting
bogged
down
in
trying
to
pass
something
different
and
go
back
and
forth
with
two
different
versions
of
the
plan
on
the
table
that
we
go
ahead
and
adopt
it
and
then
work
with
the
Planning
Commission
to
address
those
differences.
T
At
the
same
time,
we
have
created
the
Comprehensive
Plan
review
and
Advisory
Commission,
and
we
I'm
going
to
be
putting
together
an
application
form
I
hope
to
have
those
available
next
Monday
and
then
give
people
two
weeks
to
be
able
to
apply
so
that
that
group
could
immediately
begin
working
on
what
is
the
process
for
review
and
update
for
the
comprehensive
plan
that
seems
like
it
fits
within
the
charge
that
that
task
force
would
have.
So
that
is
one
possibility
for
how
we
may
proceed.
But
I
know
that
Nancy
has
some
different
ideas.
F
Was
not
there
for
the
work
session
and
one
of
the
problems
that
I
have
is
that
we
have
already
published
the
initial
version
of
the
plan.
If
it's
more
it's
been
published
now
we
have
another
version
and
there's
a
discrepancy
when
I
asked
Gary
about
it.
He
clarified
and
said
that,
and
we
said
the
plan
and
it's
supposed
to
be
the
same
plan.
So
it
seems
to
me
that
either
we
take
these
out
of
the
initial
plan
or
put
them
into
the
other
one,
and
there
shouldn't
be
much
discussion
on
it.
F
It
seems
to
me
since,
when
I
asked
the
mayor,
he
said
there
was
no
difference
that
it
wouldn't
really
be
something
we'd
even
have
to
make
a
resolution
on.
We
could
just
send
it
to
him
and
ask
them
to
revise
them
and
send
it
back
to
us
with
these
in
because
they
did
say
it
was
the
same.
It
just
rearranged.
F
F
We
already
have
a
plan.
That's
been
published.
We
have
people
that
have
the
disk
with
the
plan
on
it.
We
have
this
one
there's
a
discrepancy,
so
I
don't
think
we
have
to.
We
have
to
ask
them
to
change
it,
I
suppose
I
suppose,
I'm
alone
too,
but
I
don't
mind
it
I'm,
the
only
one
that's
been
there
from
the
beginning
of
this
group,
so
I
could
I.
Have
my
girl
ready
there
Jim.
T
F
F
L
I
think
the
one
that's
that
was
delivered
was
changing,
who
elders
and
should,
because
we
can't
have
will
for
all
these
other
organizations
that
aren't
us.
How
do
we
know
they
will
do
that?
Or
do
you
want
to
saddle
yourself
with
everything
as
well
I
mean?
Should
you
don't
know
what
the
changes
are?
That
was
that
was
a
deliberate
change
and
I
think
it
was
a
good
change
because
otherwise,
we'll
in
there
everybody's
always
going
to
come
and
said
you
will
do
this,
even
if
you
have
no
control
over
it,
but.
F
L
Haven't
seen
what
their
meaning
in
the
because
of
view
sheds
and
things
are
in
there,
but
I
know
the
Planning
Commission
discussed.
He
can't
control
when
they're
outside
of
the
city,
so
I
don't
know
to
what
degree
which
one
was
taken
out
or
modified
or
whatever
I
think
there
was
a
realism,
realistic
standpoint
at
the
Planning
Commission
level.
There
are
certain
things
we
have
the
power
to
do
and
there
certain
things
we
don't
either
as
a
city
or
as
organisations.
L
F
F
F
D
E
I,
don't
like
these
I
like
the
way
it
originally
was.
Can
they
do
that,
so
our
resolution
doesn't
force
them
to
adopt
these?
It
simply
says:
would
you
look
at
them
again
right,
okay
and
then
the
other
thing
I
hear
is
that
rather
than
kind
of
simply
you
know
little
that
that
there
was
there
were
deliberate
changes
made,
and
this
reflects
the
original
version
and
I
think
you're
on
the
Planning
Commission
right.
E
So
there
would
be
so
simply
passing
a
resolution
about
these
would
not
necessarily
get
them
adopted.
Okay,
but
I,
just
because
I'm,
not
a
lawyer,
but
the
use
of
the
word
and
will
like.
If
you
say
you
know
these
groups
will
I
mean
I
guess
does
that
make
them?
It
doesn't
mean
that
they're
legally
bound
if
we
sue
them.
If,
if,
if
they
don't
right,
I
mean.
L
L
L
E
L
H
Ok,
the
section
that,
referring
to
a
section,
J
collaboration,
core
cooperation,
if
I
understand
this
should
would
coordination,
accountability
and
it
says
mechanism
should
be
established
to
provide
residents
with
the
opportunity
to
evaluate
community
development
efforts
where
the
more
recruiting
mechanisms
are
need
to
measure
performance
and
implication
in
this
plan
and
context
that
defined
best
benchmarks,
organizational
entities
represented
a
cross-section
of
the
communities
should
be
created
to
oversee
implementation.
I
thought.
T
H
L
L
H
Debbie
I
have
no
I,
have
no
problem
with
going
forward
on
this,
and
I
have
no
problem
hate.
The
word
for
word
these
days.
I
have
no
problem
with
continuing
with
this,
but
and
I
do
like
a
resolution.
But
if
you're
gonna
put
a
resolution
together,
I
would
like
a
date
on
that
resolution.
If
things
aren't
resolved
in
terms
of
discrepancies
or
changes,
we
should
have
a
nice
massive
sit-down
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
go
work
to
all
hours
of
the
night
till
we
get
it
right
put
a
date
on
it.
Six
months
in
the.
L
Year
2020,
does
it
work
the
other
way
too,
and
we
send
you
one
thing:
we
put
a
date
on
it
because
there's
things
we
spent
you
five
six
years
ago,
you've
never
done
a
thing
on
I,
don't
like
the
inference
of
it.
Paul
I
mean
this
is
not
a
control
argument
or
fight
or
anything
they're
independent
bodies.
Yes,.
D
L
C
L
L
Knows
I
mean
I,
think
they're,
all
there's
only
one
comprehensive
plan.
You
can't
have
one
by
one
body
in
one,
the
other,
but
it's
not
Shirley,
it's
what's
in
the
charge
of
the
Planning
Commission,
is
to
adopt
one
it's
optional.
According
to
evidently
you
know
that
council
adopts
it
or
not
a
comprehensive.
F
Plan
has
to
be
adopted
by
council.
A
strategic
plan
is
only
adopted
by
the
Planning
Commission.
That's
why
that's
why
the
main
theme
here
you
know
law
director
wrote
it
the
way
he
did,
because
I
was
the
one
that
got
the
ordinance
done
yeah.
So
that
means
that
we
put
our
force
our
promise
to
spend
money.
Not
everything
in
that
plan
is
gonna.
Go
I,
don't
see
us
going
all
the
way
out
to
Albany
with
the
sewer
line.
F
F
The
word
slicing
the
Bologna
thinly,
who
would
or
should
could
I
mean
those
are
things
that
may
be
important
or
may
not
be,
but
eventually
some
council
person's
gonna
have
to
sponsor
an
ordinance
to
do
it
or
else
say
we
don't
have
the
money
to
do
it
and
that's
what
it
comes
down
to.
That's
why
we
are
involved
in
this
one
and
we
weren't
asked
on
the
last
one,
because
this
is
a
comprehensive
plan,
not
a
strategic
Carol.
I
What
I
hear
sort
of
going
on
here
is
that
we've
had
the
recommendation
that
we
accept
it,
as
is,
and
what
I
heard
from
the
people
that
made
that
suggestion
was
that
they
didn't
want
it
to
be
held
up
any
further
or
process,
because
there
are
too
many
things
in
the
plain
that
are
important
to
implement
now.
So
it
seems
to
me
the
council
has
to
make
a
decision
of
is
the
current
language,
so
bad
so
offensive
that
it
could
cause
a
problem.
I
If
we
adopted
it
the
way
it
is
now
or
are
we
going
to
sort
of
approve
it
with
the
idea
that
we
can
make
recommendations
for
change
and
obviously
we
could
make
recommendations
for
change
that
would
not
ever
get
changed
in
the
language.
So
we
have
to
decide.
Is
it
that
important
and
I
understand
Nancy's
point
that
it?
There
are
some
big
differences
and,
and
when
you
look
at
you
know,
300
different
changes
or
things
that
are
different,
but
a
lot
of
those
are
very
minor
and
certainly
the
ones
that
I
forwarded.
I
There
was
nothing
that's
going
to
ruin
the
city
or
the
plan
to
not
have
those
changed
immediately.
It's
more
language
situation,
so
I,
guess
that's
what
I
feel
our
decision
has
to
be.
Is
it
in
our
best
interest
to
get
something
passed,
so
we
are
protected
by
a
plan
and
then
work
on
it
or
are
these
changes
specific
and
dangerous
enough
that
we
don't
want
it
in
a
plan.
T
And
I
would
say
it's
more
than
just
getting
something
passed.
I've
heard
from
most
people,
who've
taken
the
time
to
sit
down
and
look
at
the
two
documents
side
by
side
that
they
are.
There
are
many
areas
where
they
are
substantively
the
same
most
in
most
cases
and
that
it's
better
organized
and
more
readable
and
I've
heard
a
lot
of
appreciation
expressed
for
the
usability
of
the
document
right
and
the
way
it
has
been
revised.
T
The
maps
have
not
been
changed
at
all.
I
think
we
need
to
make
sure
when
they're
reproduced
that
they're
big
enough,
that
Pogo
Meyers
logo
is
still
visible
on
them.
I
think
that
there's
been
a
huge
amount
of
work
invested
in
getting
this
comprehensive
plan
developed
and
to
this
point
and
what
I'm
hearing
overwhelmingly
from
people
who've
been
involved
in
that
process.
Is
that
they'd
like
to
see
it
move
forward
and
for
us
to
have
a
way
to
deal
with
these
discrepancies
and
to
deal
with
other
things
that
may
come
along?
T
That
would
indicate
the
need
to
make
changes
because,
from
the
beginning,
there's
the
discussion
that
there
are
opportunities-
and
there
are
reasons
that
citizens
may
want
to
make
changes.
You
know
in
a
variety
of
ways,
so
I
think
getting
the
taskforce
organized
so
that
we
have
a
process
and
a
mechanism
for
working
through
any
of
these
issues
is
something
that's
really
important,
but
I'd
like
to
see
us
move
forward.
I.
F
Would
like
to
suggest
that
perhaps,
since
with
our
ordinance,
we
are
up
to
repealing
a
can
demand,
fly
singh
or
map
a
comprehensive
plan
of
1967
that
we
do
this
in
a
seer
in
a
serious
way,
not
just
to
suggest
that
this
is
not
serious,
but
going
back
and
changing.
It
is
probably
not
something
that
will
happen.
What
will
be
in
the
ordinance
will
be
the
version
that
came
out
of
the
Planning
Commission
so
as
a
as
a
sort
of
intermediate
spot.
F
F
F
I
did
the
original
one
and
I
think
you
could
have
amend
it
and
put
it
forward,
and
then
it
says
that
there
were
some
discrepancies
that
we
found
and
they're
minor,
but
or
maybe
major,
depending
on
your
point
of
view.
The
other
thing
that
I
and
I
think
that
would
could
work,
and
then
we
wouldn't
have
to
even
go
back
to
a
Planning
Commission,
because
we
do
have
the
original
document.
My
second
document,
but
one
of
the
things
that
the
other
thing
that
it
concerns
me
is
I,
think
we
need
a
cover
page.
T
Yeah
I
should
have
said
that
we
did
talk
about
the
fact
that
you
know
the
layout
of
the
documents
and
having
the
cover
page
on
there,
that
those
things
seem
to
us
things
that
could
be
handled
administratively
and
that
people
were
in
agreement
that
those
need
to
be
there
and
I.
Also
trotted
out
I
didn't
bring
it
this
evening,
but
the
the
big
fold-out
sample
brochure
that
they
made
the
idea
that
there
are
other
ways
of
presenting
the
information
that
can
continue
to
be
developed
and
hopefully,
one
day
we'll
have
a
planner.
F
I
F
C
T
J
D
C
C
F
C
F
C
C
T
Asked
me
to
bring
this
up
to
folks.
We've
been
talking
for
some
time
about
the
floodplain
regulations
and
the
fact
that
the
county
is
going
to
be
coming
up
for
map
modernization
under
FEMA
and
that
there's
some
possibility
to
explore
enrolling
the
city
in
the
community
rating
system,
where
people
could
save
money
on
their
flood
plain
insurance
and
to
try
to
expedite
the
work
of
councils
side
of
this,
the
legislative
work
of
actually
looking
at
the
possible
higher
standards
and
what
we
can
do
to
help
prepare
the
city.
For
this.
T
We
are
moving
ahead
with
an
intern
who
can
coordinate
the
work
of
a
task
force,
actually
convene
that
group.
Look
at
our
floodplain
regulations,
look
at
the
possible
higher
standards
and
make
some
recommendations
to
us
about
how
we
can
be
better
prepared
for
the
map.
Modernization
and
the
possibility
of
enrolling
in
the
community
rating
system
so
just
want
to
make
sure
we
have
it
within
our
budget.
It's
nothing
that
we
have
to
do
legislatively
to
allow
the
to
happen,
but
bill
wanted
me
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
not
to
speak.
So.
T
F
It's
about
to
grab
your
public.
Oh
sorry,
okay,
I
have
two
things
that
I
knew
about.
One
thing
that
I
just
found
out
about
the
one
thing
that
I
just
found
out
about
is
probably
more
important
than
either
of
these
two
like
here.
We
are
okay,
so,
first
of
all
you
have
them
an
email
from
Teresa
Carter
to
me.
F
I
was
down
there
talking
to
Steve
or
handy
in
my
forms,
actually
for
the
planet
tenant
forum
and
in
that
body
of
that
email,
Teresa
asked
him
was
seefs
permission
that
we
would
install
a
no-show
fee
for
people
who
make
arrangements
to
have
the
officers
show
up
for
an
appointment
and
then
blow
them
off
so
to
speak,
and
so
they
were
asking
for
a
new
fee
for
no-shows.
F
They
say
it's
getting
to
be
a
more
extreme
problem
and
if
I,
it
seems
to
me,
the
$25.00
is
a
pretty
good
charge,
because
it's
gonna
cost
the
money
to
drive
the
vehicle
out
there
and
it's
a
zero-sum
game.
They're
gonna
be
wasting
their
time
and
then
we
could
just
say
$25
per
unit
for
a
no-show.
Anybody
have
any
problems
with
that.
Okay,
this
is
just
a
per.
E
F
U
F
An
occasional
emergency
but
I
think
they're,
absolutely
right
in
and
asking
for
this
and
I'm
sure
they'll
love
it,
but
if
there
are
no
glitches
we'll
have
it
up
for
first
reading
next
time
it's
you
have
no
problem
with
it.
Okay,
my
stuck
into
issue
I
gave
that's
carry
Club
what
it
wasn't
when
there
was
a
lot
of
storm
Thursday
night.
F
F
16Th,
though
this
is
the
landlord
tenant
forum
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
mayor
and
the
mayor,
able
and
President
Clinton
appointed
a
Civic,
behavior
Task
Force
was
cheered
by
co-chaired
by
Dale,
champion
Jerry
hunter
and
out
of
that
task,
force
came
the
landlord-tenant
forum
and
so
I
thought.
Maybe
I
could
give
the
news
media
a
copy
of
the
revision
to
the
language
that
Gary
said.
I
tried
to
tell
them
that
we
didn't
want
to
have
all
the
big
units
involved.
F
You
know,
I
was
sort
of
on
the
periphery
of
this
and
I've
been
that
sort
of
lightning
rod
for
it,
and
it
isn't
really
my
agenda
item.
I
wasn't
done
the
task
force.
Neither
at
the
University
of
Northern
may
have
a
point
of
me.
So
I
don't
really
have
any
input
into
it,
but
I'm
sort
of
picking
up
the
the
pieces
at
this
point
in
time,
I'd
like
Dale
to
come
back
and
talk
about
this
I
know.
F
Dale
talked
to
several
of
the
landlords
that
have
been
pretty
vociferous
about
what's
going
on
and
let
them
have
a
chance
and
we
can
have
a
very
long
meeting
somewhere
around
November
16th
and
talk
about
this.
Our
ordinance
remember,
is
pretty
small.
All
we
do
is
say
we're
going
to
have
this
tenna
forum
and
we're
going
to
limit
it.
F
I
I
cannot
believe
how
many
words
I've
been
added
to
it,
but
here
it
is,
and
the
other
thing
is
in
that
same
ordinance,
I
propose
that
we
notice
note
that
the
administration
is
may
make
any
adjustments.
It
likes
to
it
since
they're
the
ones
that
made
the
initial
form
out
as
I
understand
it
with
Debbie's
help
or
Debbie
was
the
instigator
at
our
at
Dale's
behest
and
moved
us
forward,
and
maybe
we
can
have
a
discussion.
A
calm
discussion
about
the
16th
of
November
I
did
also
suggest
to
various
people
and
I'll
suggest.
F
The
mayor
I
think
it's
pointless
to
go
forward
with
them
with
many
letters,
because
here
will
be
a
Fiat
next
year,
so
I
think
they've
already
made
the
decision
that
they're
gonna
try
and
get
as
many
as
they
can
and
then
go
from
there.
That
doesn't
mean
the
rest
of
you
are
off
the
hook.
Okay,
so
this
is
fundamentally
some
discussion
points
for
the
future.
This
is
what
Steve
and
Gary
came
up
with
250
words,
you
think:
okay
I
hope
it
achieves
what
we
want
as
long
as
they
know
it.
I
F
C
F
F
U
And
I
did
learn
a
lot
from
reading
that
form
as
to
proper
placement
and
things
of
trash
and
recycling
and
whatnot.
My
question,
though,
written
reading
this
letter
must
be
memo
from
Gary
to
you
is
that
rental
units
and
rooming
houses,
except
for
rental
properties
having
two
or
more
buildings
on
a
single
lot,
they're
exempt
from
the
form
new,
oh
yeah,
more
than
two
buildings
on
a
single
one,
I
thought
that
the
reasoning
behind
the
form
was
to
educate
and
make
renters
aware
of
what's
going
on
as
far
as
code.
Why
are
why?
H
U
H
D
H
F
F
Think
about
that
and
see
what
I
think
we
need
to
get
Dale's
input
on
what
he
was
if
it
had
originally
planned.
What
came
out
of
that
civilian,
civilian
civic
task
force?
Well,.
U
F
E
D
F
E
F
Absolutely
right,
okay,
I
just
say
I'm
lose
me
to
call
me
up
and
say:
well
what
do
you
think
there
were
only
4,000
turned
in
and
what
am
I
supposed
to
say
to
that?
So
it's
you
know
I'm
sort
of
on
the
edge
of
it
anyway,
I'm
unhappy
that
not
everybody
had
the
wonderful
education
that
Amy
had.
I
E
I
Found
that
it
was
helpful,
these
people
who
are
renting
my
house
are
are
from
Cleveland.
They
had
a
lot
of
questions
and
to
have
that
in
writing
in
a
form
that
they
keep
was
very
helpful
to
them.
They
certainly
did
not
feel
that
it
was
a
violation
of
their
privacy
or
any
of
the
other
comments,
but
there
was
the
element
of
the
information
going
out
late,
although
it
been
passed
for
almost
a
year,
and
so
there
certainly
should
have
been
knowledge
that
it
wasn't
humming
yeah.
E
L
For
him
to
come
and
do
in
September
timber
right,
they
do
the
end
of
September,
but
people
don't
move
in
until
the
1st
of
September.
So
we
figure,
if
you,
if
you
send
it
out
two
months
in
ahead
of
time,
the
landlord
miss
places
uses
it
whatever
you
do.
Both
parties
aren't
there,
so
we
felt
that
the
closer
it
was
to
when
both
parties
are
gonna,
be
there
and
moving
in
and
getting
keys,
and
everything
would
be
the
most
logical
time
to
since
ending
well.
F
P
I
F
D
F
Right
on
that
note,
I
have
one
more
thing:
that's
under
miscellaneous
and
then
we
can
move
on
it.
Let
Paul
have
him
some
way
with.
Oh,
no,
it's
a
mr.
Nixon's.
We
have
a
project
that
is
under
bid
and
I
have
some
adjustments
to
the
ordinance
ordinances
that
have
been
done
over
time:
Oh
64,
o6o,
60,
306
or
1o
105,
and
then
we're
going
back.
Last
year,
201
Oh,
305
everything,
okay,
Oh,
60,
506
Oh
speak
96,
those
they're
hanging.
What
is
Oh.
F
Have
to
change
the
funding
formula
in
a
nutshell:
ray
wrote
me
an
e-mail
on
Friday.
It
said
that
we're
going
to
put
together.
He
would
like
us
to
put
together
a
new
ordinance
that
would
be
asked
for
engineering,
an
inspection
42,000
for
the
water
pump
station,
334
construction
and
contingencies
of
that
245
comes
from
AARC
funds,
yay
and
127
from
the
water
funds
in
2007.
Okay.
F
So
that's
one
of
the
first
ordinances
that
Debbie
will
put
up,
perhaps
in
the
future,
we'll
have
to
redo
it,
but
basically
we're
going
to
probably
repeal
Oh,
63
or
6
or
at
least
amended
and
then.
The
second
item
is
the
sewer
line
that
he
needs
an
additional
forty,
seven
thousand
for
administration
and
inspections
and
permit
to
install
for
five
thousand.
So
there's
some
modifications
that
have
also
to
be
done
with
respect
to
the
sports
main
and
the
lift
station
I
believe
the
cost
is
up
approximately.
F
Mm
here
too,
and
it
doesn't
there,
I
mean
this
is
a
big
project.
You
start
looking
at
how
far
it's
going
it's
astonishing
and
over
it's
a
lot
of
area,
but
we
have
them,
as
you
can
see,
FEMA
and
our
own
funds
in
a
for
basically
a
three-to-one.
Oh
you
can't
see
cuz,
you
don't
have
the
paper
in
front
of
you.
Basically.
F
With
3/4
of
it
being
paid
by
FEMA
and
one-fourth
of
it
by
sewer
funds,
and
so
Debbie's
gonna
start
working
on
this,
and
also
so
there
may
be
some
changes,
maybe
some
other
things
going
on
with
this,
but
I
wanted
to
alert
you
to
this
little
bombshell
that
ray
left
before
he
went
for
a
bit
of
the
day
off
okay.
So
if
you
want
to
look
at
this,
the
he's
got
a
timeline
in
collar
very
nice,
a.
C
F
Instruction,
the
engineering
is
going
on
administration
inspection
and
then
we
have
the
actual
process
happening
at
that
point.
In
time
we
borrowed
some,
as
you
recall,
we're
going
to
front
it
and
then
get
FEMA
back
what
we
still
may
be
short
and
the
fund
and
that's
another
thing
Debbie's
going
to
be
looking
but
think
about
it.
We
are
doing
yeah,
but
bargain
here
we
can
thank
Andy
stone
or
agitating
for
that
FEMA
money,
sir
I,
think
he's
back.
Isn't
it
he's
in
trouble
he's
in
the
round?
Yeah
I
got
it
good.
F
H
Okay,
I'm
through
no
Nancy
what
you
yeah
I,
have
a
question
about:
city
services:
I've
been
approached
by
two:
these
two
people
in
the
past
week
about
getting
street
lights
and
various
areas.
Is
there
a
progress
on
doing
something
like
that
or
is
there
Lizzie?
These
are
the
new
lights.
They
want
a
new
light
on
Central,
and
somebody
approached
me
about
Jeff
hill,
which
of
course
is
something
different,
but
I
mean
should
I
just
tell
him
to
talk
to
you
or
talk
to
Ray
or
something
or
do
you
ever
yeah.
L
H
F
U
Right
transportation:
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
is
bicycle
safety.
It
was
on
or
committee
last
time,
but
I
want
to
do
a
little
more
research
and
talk
to
your
people
before
we
talk
a
little
more
about
it.
I
have,
since
we
can
help
of
Debbie
done
some
looking
into
as
far
as
the
traffic
code
here
in
the
city
and
then
some
of
the
ohio
revised
code,
as
well
as
some
code
in
columbus,
basically
I
think.
U
The
reason
that
I
bring
this
to
council
was
because
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
bicycle
safety
in
the
city.
I
know
of
two
times
in
the
past
month,
I
have
come
very
close
to
hitting
bicyclists
one
was
writing
into
writing
it
into
oncoming
traffic
at
night,
with
no
lighting
at
all
came.
D
U
Close
to
hitting
her
scared
me
scared
me
another
one
was
riding
out
in
the
middle
of
the
street
swerving
back
and
forth.
U
So
and
I
know
you
know
I'm,
just
one
driver,
so
I'm
sure
this
has
happened
to
many
people
and
as
a
driver
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
safety
of
bicyclist,
because
I
certainly
don't
want
to
hit
a
bicyclist
I,
want
them
to
abide
by
the
rules,
but
I
don't
know
I
mean
we
have
a
lot
of
code
on
the
rules
for
bicycling
through
the
city,
most
of
which
is
not
followed
by
many
of
the
bicyclists
that
I
have
observed.
U
So
I,
don't
know
where
we
start
or
what
we
do
in
terms
of
creating
or
making
it
safest.
People
at
bicycle
in
the
city.
I
know
that
I
haven't
talked
to
the
police
department,
I'm,
not
sure
how
many
or,
if
any,
citations
they
write
the
bicyclists
or
how
we
could
even
enforce
that
so
wandering
from
the
council.
If
you've
heard
from
and
I
mean
I
also
was
approached
or
phone
by
another
constituent
who
was
hit
by
bicyclists
getting
into
his
car
during
the
day
knocked
over
by
bicyclist.
U
U
Possibly,
you
know
enforcing
some
sort
of
registration
of
bicyclists
that
way
upon
you
know
them
registering.
They
would
have
to
much
like
the
tenant
occupant
landlord
agreement.
They
within
you
know,
educate
themselves
on
what
the
rules
are.
Maybe
sign
something
you
know
turn
it
in.
What
have
you
sure
the
question
is
as
Paul
brought
to
me
earlier?
Who
does
this?
Who
handles
this?
What
can
we
do
to
enforce
safer
bicyclists,
so
I
mean.
F
One
more
thing
add
to
your
list:
I
think
we
need
to
get
working
with
the
university
as
well,
because
some
of
them
move
from
campus
off
campus
on
the
wrong
side
of
the
street,
weaving
in
and
out
and
driving
in
a
careless
fashion.
A
couple
of
my
advisees:
do
it
actually
started
to
job
on
them,
but
I
think
that
maybe
we
could
ask
the
police
department
to
do
an
intensive
enforcement
if
they
would
be
willing.
F
I
mean
that's
what
I
see
as
an
option
just
start
stopping
and
saying
you're,
creating
a
public
nuisance
both
for
cars
who
are
driving
and
pedestrians,
but
the
people
really
do
swing
through
campus
on
the
sidewalks
I.
Don't
think
they
should
do
it,
but
they
do
right
and
they're
virtuous,
because
they're
riding
bikes
right,
yeah
well.
E
U
B
D
K
Bust
on
the
right-hand
side
of
the
road,
which
is
exactly
where
they
are
higher,
revised
code
requires
people
to
do
it.
We
need
an
education
campaign
for
those
two
things:
where
do
you
ride
the
bicycle
and
you
need
lights
at
night?
You
should
have
lights
at
night
and
that's
that
I
bet
those
two
things
I
think
we
really
have
to
have
a
big
education
campaign,
because
those
are
the
two
things
you
can
tell
if
my
accent
doesn't
come
from
here.
K
E
U
E
T
U
I
read
through
the
code,
there
are
many
things
that
again
I
was
unaware
up:
I,
don't
bicycle
a
lot.
I
might
familiarize
myself
with
it
more
had
I,
or
should
I
bicycle
throughout
the
city,
my
bicycle,
I
rode
to
Nelsonville
and
the
petal
fell
off.
So
that's
gone.
U
C
U
C
H
U
U
T
To
you
know
remind
all
of
us
that
you
know
when
we've
heard
from
people
it's
also
about
safety
and
the
fact
that
there
are
a
lot
of
folks
in
town
who
ride
bicycles
for
transportation
and
not
just
for
recreation,
and
so,
while
the
bike
path
is
really
wonderful
and
people
appreciate
it
a
lot
as
far
as
getting
around
to
classes
or
to
businesses.
It
is
really
difficult
for
people
to
ride
safely
down
court
Street,
and
so
they
aren't
supposed
to
be
on
the
sidewalks.
T
But
it
also
is
a
really
harrowing
experience
for
a
lot
of
people
riding
bikes
on
the
city
streets,
so
I
think
it's
really
good,
that
we
keep
thinking
about
transportation
more
broadly
and
how
the
different
forms
of
transportation
fit
together.
I,
like
the
fact
that
the
group
that's
been
working
on
buses
is
looking
at
buses
that
have
bike
racks
on
them
and
how
different
parts
of
the
transportation
system
can
fit
together,
because
it's
not
not
a
one-way
street.
T
H
H
Guess,
I
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
that's
something
to
think
about
is
how
can
we
actually,
you
know
we're
thinking,
transportation,
changing
transportation
and
directions
of
streets
even
and
that's
a
lot
of
work
to
start
playing
it
because
it
throws
everything
in
a
muddle.
At
the
same
time,
if
I
look
at
the
whole
package,
just
besides
cars,
we
have
to
think
about
that
and
that.
J
H
H
U
U
I
also
have
a
miscellaneous
real,
quick
I
will
go
ahead.
I
was
wondering
maths,
my
question
for
you
and
some
of
the
areas
on
the
streets,
for
instance
North,
Lancaster
and
West
State
there
are
yellow
curb
painting,
or
so
it's
supposed
to
be.
Yellow
I
can
barely
see
those
during
the
day
and
I
can
definitely
can't
see
them
at
night.
I'm
wondering
up
there
as
a
planner.
If
we
could
somehow
go
through
Department
to
go
through
and
repave
or
repaint.
Some
of
those
yellow,
curbs
I
know.
L
U
E
L
L
F
D
E
Now
it
says
Communications,
Committee,
uptown
cleanliness,
but
frankly
it's
a
long
night
and
I
want
to
talk
with
the
bar
owners
and
some
other
people
before
we
tackle
that
so
I'm
gonna
pass
on
uptown
cleanliness
at
the
moment
and
just
as
a
miscellaneous
I
just
want
to
remind
people
that
the
summaries
of
the
meetings
are
now
posted
on
the
city
council
website.
So
if
you
miss
the
meeting
or
want
to
review
it
or
have
friends
that
didn't
watch.
E
U
One
question
I
just
thought:
yes,
I
often
want
to
review
the
council
meeting
like
you
know,
see
on
TV
and
I
I,
don't
get
a
chance,
don't
get
the
chance
to
catch
it
on
the
government,
Channel
I'm
wondering
how
much
work
if
there's
a
lot
of
work.
I,
don't
think
it's
really
that
important.
If
we're
able
to
get
a
link
up
on
the
website.
That
just
has
the
previous
meeting
on
video
well.
E
E
Thought
it
was,
none
of
us
might
I
believe
that
you're,
given
the
what
we're
trying
to
do
was
is
basically
it
revised
the
City
Council
website.
So
we
can
provide
more
up-to-date
information,
the
ordinances
were
stopped
in
2002,
etc.
So
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
those
things
and
and
I
and
and
my
understanding
is
making
changes-
is
extremely
difficult.
So
I
think
at
this
moment
sure.
D
E
You
and
that's
something
for
the
future
and
I'll
certainly
find
out,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
extremely
difficult
to
make
even
the
changes
that
we
want
to
make
so
we're
working
on
it.
Thank
you,
okay,
Oh,
any
other
Communications
Committee
issues.
Okay,
communication
committee
is
adjourned.
What
you
can
have
Halloween
committee
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
Halloween
Tony.
That's.
H
I
guess
it's
Environmental,
Committee
I
really
don't
have
much,
except
for
this,
which
I'm
passing
forward
to
you
or
sideways
to
you.
This
is
essentially
a
digest
of
the
New
York
citation
folks.
This
was
perked
up
to
me
from
forgettable
easy,
this
deep
pearson
or
a
hazlit
part
of
the
clean
committee.
Really
what
you're?
H
Looking
at
the
sidewalks
and
gutters
section
where
a
owner
would
be
responsible
for
18
inches
off
the
curb
and
I
bring
this
up
with
no
concept
of
it's
going
to
happen,
because
until
we
get
a
little
control
officer
its
fantasy,
but
I
want
you
to
think
about
it.
I've
been
looking
around
for
other
cities
that
do
this.
Besides
New
York
I
have
yet
to
find
one.
This
may
be
one
of
Julian
left
over
broken
windows
situation,
but
I
point
out
its
of
two
things
of
interest.
H
One
is
that
it
makes
people
responsible,
18,
inches
off
the
curve.
So
therefore
just
pushing
the
stuff
off
the
sidewalk
and
onto
the
gutter,
it's
not
gonna.
It's
gonna
make
a
would
make
a
difference.
If
we
have
to
enforce
it,
it
would
give
another
tool
for
a
little
control
offset
when
we
get
one.
The
last
interesting
thing
out
there
is
the
enforcement
routing
which
actually
says
that
they
only
enforce
of
certain
hours,
which
I
found
very
interesting,
I.
H
Guess
when
they're
going
to
and
from
or
something
like
that,
but
the
same
time
I
just
wanted
I
don't
want
to
act
on
it
because
we
don't
have
an
officer.
I
do
want
you
to
think
about
it
as
a
tool
possibly
to
put
in
use.
After
that
person
is
in
place
and
that's
all
I
really
have-
and
this
is
other
miscellaneous
kind
of
dovetails
with
what
you're
doing
13
could
talk
about.
I.
E
H
H
So
that's
in
the
right-of-way
city
right
away.
It
needs
to
be
looked
at
across
the
road
jogs
there
and
it's
really
kind
of
hard
to
find
out
where
things
aren't
how
it's
set
up.
So
I
was
thinking
actually
I
Nancy
was
thinking
and
I
was
thinking
that
we'd
be
talking
about
two
weeks
from
now,
which
would
be
before
our
next
committee
meeting.
F
F
F
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
the
citizen
complaints
concerning
the
graffiti,
especially
on
the
west
side.
There
they've
been
very
impassioned
about
the
problem
and
the
increase
I
was
encouraged
to
see
the
article
in
the
newspaper
that
it's
being
addressed
by
the
police
I'll
be
interested
to
keep
an
eye
on
how
things
are
going
and
and
I.
Don't
know
if
there's
any
kind
of
ordinance
that
council
should
look
at
for
a
future
for
in
terms
of
addressing
graffiti
and
how
it
might
be
able
to
be
approached.
I
H
I
H
H
I
know
some
people
are
concerned
about
the
actual
removal
of
those
by
the
city
that
would
damage
the
facing
of
walls
so
I'm
getting
you
know,
I've
been
receiving
lots
of
feedback
on
this,
both
both
for
and
against,
including
that
say,
14
megabytes
of
pictures,
I.
Think
one
of
the
theories
I'm
hearing
is
also
that
there
was
a
class
set
up
for
something
for
stenciling
somewhere
in
these
in
the
middle
school
of
the
Elementary
or
someplace.
That
has
generated
a
lot
of
these
old
things,
so
I'm
not
sure
about
that
either.