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A
The
saving
city
councils
going
to
be
meeting
in
a
series
of
committee
meetings,
five
of
them
to
be
exact,
starting
with
planning
and
development
and
transportation,
finance
and
personnel
city
services
and
arts
and
Recreation
birth
planning
and
development
chair
Debbie
:.
Thank
you.
First
item
are
on
our
agenda.
Is
a
minor
lot
split
on
Carroll
Road,
but
we've
been
asked
to
remove
that
from
the
agenda,
because
one
of
the
people
is
not
able
to
be
here
this
evening.
So
we'll
look
at
that
again
at
our
next
committee
meeting.
A
A
A
The
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
the
water
proposal.
So
I'd
ask
this
to
be
a
place
back
on
the
agenda.
The
last
council
meeting
and
I
think
from
some
of
the
comments
and
questions
from
Council
members
that
I
had
since
then
there
was
some
confusion
exactly
what
are
the
elements
of
the
project
and
so
I
invited.
A
Pick
what
my
name
is:
David
Cooper
I'm,
one
of
the
principals
of
the
water
group
and
I-
think
we're
one
of
the
questions
was
was
in
respect
to
how
can
they
limit
the
age
and
how
do
they
get
to
those
low
rates
of
rental
properties
and
really
in
talking
to
that,
to
David
and
to
others?
It's
it's
a
tax
credit
program
for
state
and
federal
income
taxes,
just
federal,
a
federal
okay,
and
in
doing
all
that
they
have
to
agree
with
you.
A
There's
a
high
housing
finance
correct
board
when
there
makes
the
application
they
have
to
set
the
age
of
be
sixty
two
and
a
half
four
sixty
sixty
to
eighty
five
okay
and
they
chose
the
fifty-five
to
have
a
white
little
wider
market
and
it's
up
to
sixty
percent
of
the
average
family
income
of
the
county
track.
So
it
gets
adjusted
every
year
as
those
numbers
change.
A
A
These
responsibilities
must
be
ok,
and
so
we
are
supplying
the
water
as
tough
as
plain
supplying
the
water
either
way
it
would
be
a
cross
connection
between
the
rural
water
system
in
the
city
systems,
so
that
if
there
is
a
need,
for
example,
within
your
EPA
plan,
that
you
must
file
each
year,
you
must
say
if,
for
some
reason
you
lose
water
or
lose
Wells
or
reservoirs
etc.
What
would
you
you
know?
A
So
ok,
this
development
would
be
needed
by
us
and
the
water
coming
through
the
this
and
development.
We're
asking
to
use
the
city
of
Athens
water
supply,
correct,
yes,
and
the
Highway
Patrol's
already
on
that
they're
only
acts
for
Otley
acts,
but
tupper's
plains,
and
what's
the
quality
of
the
toughest
plane
is
not
the
C
8
system.
Yeah
everybody
is
reading
about
in
the
paper
these
days
or
is
that
just
well
their
their
particular
system?
A
They've
spent
a
few
million
dollars
through
the
pond,
upgrading
their
system
and
they're,
claiming
that
they
have
a
very
low
level
of
c8
within
theirs.
At
this
time
it's
one
of
the
lower
in
the
in
the
region
that
was
affected,
but
they're.
The
only
water
plant
system
that
has
taken
their
pond
up
on
the
new
filtering
devices
and
other
technology
to
eliminate
it.
A
Pay
total
attention
to
this
so
in
in
asking
to
use
our
public
water
supply.
Do
we
have
enough?
Oh?
Is
that
what
you
were
saying
that
we
don't
have
enough
and
that's
why
there
has
to
be
know
a
couple
of
different
sources?
No,
we
have
enough.
We
we.
We
have
the
capacity
to
do
five
million
gallons
per
day,
but
right
now
our
own
customers
are
using,
usually
3.1,
sometimes
peeks
at
3.3.
A
So
if
we
had
to
in
our
that's
our
total
plant
capacity
right
now
now
we
have
the
ability
with
EPA
that
were
rated
to
up
to
a
seven
million
gallons
per
day,
but
we
don't
have
enough
Wells
in
to
do
that,
so
we
built
the
plant,
so
we
can
expand
it
if,
whenever
we
need
to
have
treatment,
expand,
treating
more
water,
yes,
okay
and
supplying
our
customers,
but
if
you
know
stoppers
planes
needs
2
million
gallons
per
day.
We
couldn't
supply,
we
don't
have
2
million
excess.
A
You
know
on
a
short
period
of
time
depending
upon
when
it
happened.
Yes,
we
could
supply
a
you
know
a
significant
amount,
but
I.
Don't
none
of
those
agreements
that
that
we
would
have
to
have
and
I
think
we
would
have
to
have
a
further
agreement
with
suppers
planes
to
do
this
to
do
well.
We'd
have
to
put
some
limitations
on
it
on
the
tupper's
planes,
but
that's
not
affecting
the
developer.
This
agreement
is
with
wota
just
stated
to
them.
A
A
Tupper's
Plains
would
not
give
up
the
rights
to
supply
them
with
water,
and
they
also
have
a
couple
other
houses
on
down
on
della
drive
that
are
already
inside
the
city
and
their
agreement.
Their
motion
said
it
was
only
for
this
development.
It
did
not
include
any
other
customers
that
they
have,
but
they
recognized
I
think
that
the
development
was
overall
good
for
the
area
to
have
this.
A
They
liked
the
idea
of
the
development
in
this
area.
They
felt
it
was
appropriate
and
a
benefit
to
the
area
that
the
upgrades
that
would
have
been
necessary
to
their
water
system
to
supply
this
property-
we're
not
economically
feasible
for
them
at
this
time,
so
they
have
already
met
and
and
approved
releasing
this
property
to
the
to
the
city
of
Athens
and
what
they
were
hoping
they
could
discuss
at
the
same
time.
A
Was
this
interconnect
that
if
there
was
an
emergency
in
their
water
district,
then
they
would
have
the
possibility,
on
a
short-term
basis
of
of
using
this
interconnect
with
the
city
of
Athens,
which
I'm
told
is
a
pretty
common,
a
pretty
common
thing
to
do
for
neighboring
water
districts?
As
the
mayor
said,
it's
something
the
EPA
favors,
because
it
becomes
part
of
the
contingency
plan
for
for
each
water
district.
If
there's
an
emergency,
where
do
you
get
water?
And
that's
the
point
of
the
interconnect?
A
A
You
know
connecting
with
tupper's
planes
and
I'm
concerned
about
the
precedent
that
the
next
time,
instead
of
having
a
court
battle,
which
was
pretty
pricey,
we'll
just
do
a
cross
connect
and
yet
I'm
in
a
building
where
I
saw
a
cross
connect,
I
mean
I,
saw
a
backflow
valve
being
taken
out
by
somebody
and
I.
Don't
think
it
was
even
understood
until
a
couple
months
later
I
said
you're
not
supposed
to
take
that
out,
because
it
protects
the
Curtis
Street
reservoir
from
the
other
reservoir
up
on
the
hill.
A
And
it
was
it's
out
you
so
things
happen.
It's
a
decentralized
operation,
but
I
just
I
feel
that
it's
to
benefit
in
one
small
entity
and
I
was
wondering
how
much
it
would
cost
for
you
to
buy
out
of
it
without
us
cross
connecting.
What
do
you
think?
How
much
would
it
cost
to
me,
because
it's
I
don't
see
much
benefit
to
the
users
and
the
city
myself,
I
really
don't
know
what
it
would
cost
us
to
buy
out
of
it.
A
A
Well,
they
released
you
if
we
say
no
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
that
they
asked
they
asked
for
the
interconnect
and
I
know
that
you
know
in
some
preliminary
meetings
it
was
discussed
that
that's
really
a
favored,
a
favorite
thing
to
have
right
now
from
the
EPA.
In
terms
of
contingency
plans,
but
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
if
you
say
no
to
the
interconnect,
I
just
don't
see
what
benefits
come
to
us
and
there
are
other
rural
water
systems
on
the
edge.
You
know
it
just
seems
like
if
it
starts
here.
A
A
Is
this
gonna
be
a
sprinkle
building?
Yes,
sir,
do
we
know
that
there
would
be
no
major
impact
on
pressure?
The
closest
won't,
this
be
a
long
extension
for
us.
I
do
know
that
sprinkle
buildings
haven't
managed
more
than
a
couple
of
them,
make
an
awful
lot
of
pressure
and
to
manage
that
kind
of
pressure.
At
the
end
of
a
long
run,.
A
We
know
those,
that's
gonna,
be
an
issue
for
the
good
well,
this
building
is
only
three
storeys
tall.
We've
never
had
any,
and
he
we've
built
it
even
in
onto
a
smallest
of
two-inch
line.
We've
never
had
an
issue
with
pressure
on
this
size
and
type
of
a
sprinkler
system.
I'm,
not
the
engineer,
though
I
could
certainly
get
somebody
to
answer
that
question
for
you,
but
that's
we've
built
this
a
similar
building
like
this
in
many
areas
and
have
not
had
any
kind
of
a
pressure
issue.
A
So
my
concern
is
us
doing
that
agreement
and
then
having
you
stay
outside
the
city.
I
know
we
get
a
little
extra
money
from
it,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
I'd
like
that
concept,
so
have
you
talked
to
the
county
commissions
at
all
and
finally,
a
more
formally
aadhi
annexation
about
annexation.
We
have
not.
We
felt
this
was
the
first
step
before
we
went.
We've
talked
to
toughest
Plains.
We
felt
wish
to
talk
to
the
city
and
then
go
to
the
county
commissioners,
but
put
on
a
hundred
percent
annexation
Paul
by
law.
A
You
aren't
D
annexing
that
that
area
from
the
township
and
I,
don't
believe,
there's
any
way
in
law
that
you
can
force
somebody
just
that
says:
I
want
to
join
the
city
and
I'm
contiguous
to
the
city
I'm
eligible
to
join
it
to
say
no.
You
can't
join
the
city
I'm
an
be
interested
to
talk
to
that,
commissioner,
about
property
rights
and
some
things:
okay,
and
not
being
too
familiar
with
many
annexations.
A
A
Yeah
I
just
I'm
sorry,
because
this
these
issues
are
new
to
me
in
in
relation
to
this.
So
could
someone
just
for
me
summarize
what
this
issue
is
a
I
mean
water
is
an
issue,
but
you
know
is
it
Tupper?
Plains
cannot
supply
enough
or
something,
and
that's
okay,
because
it's
small
to
two
issues
really
toughness
toughest
Plains
does
not
have
sewer
available
at
all,
so
it
would
be
use
of
a
septic
system
which,
or
some
other
discharge
system
in
the
township
and
being
on
the
city.
A
Sewer
system
is,
is
I,
think
preferred
by
all
and
then.
Secondly,
it
would
be
the
upgrades
required
for
the
tupper's
Plains
water
system
to
service
the
building.
Okay,
so
they
don't
have
sewer
and
it
would
cost
a
lot
for
them
to
upgrade
enough
for
the
water.
That's
gonna
react,
okay
and
we
have
sewer
and
but
there's
a
cost
for
our
piping
to
to
that
area
right.
Well,
we
would
be
responsible
for
any
sauce
associated
with
extending
any
lines
to
our.
You
know
to
where
we
you
need
to
use
them
that
wouldn't
be
the
city's
cost.
A
That
would
be
our
cost
and
why?
Why
is
a
cross
connection
with
tupper's
Plains
suggested
like?
Why
isn't
our
water
enough
I
mean
I'm?
Just
oh,
that's
requesting
it.
Tapas
Plains
is
requesting
it
and
then
what
what
benefit
is
it
to
them?
Well,
if
they
have
an
emergency
I
think
are
out
of
water
in
an
area
that,
by
getting
water
from
the
city
of
Athens,
they
could
supply,
whether
that
be
a
water
tower
or
just
a
water
line
break
that
they
could
valve
off.
It
enables
them
to
continue
to
serve
those
customers.
A
Okay,
so
so
there's
a
benefit
to
them.
There,
okay
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
one
more
thing:
did
you
say
Rick
that
if,
if
something,
if
some
entity
or
land,
if,
if
the
person
our
development
wants
to
be
annexed,
you
didn't
say
that
we
can't
say
no
did
well,
you
can
say
no,
but
actually
the
county.
Can
the
county
commissioners
cannot
say
no,
not
on
100%
annexation
when
you
meet
all
the
requirements
of
the
law
as
long
as
the
count,
the
city
is
willing
to
accept
you,
it's
just
on
the
roster.
A
You
go
through
right,
but
the
city
has
the
final
say.
Yes,
okay
I
was
just
trying
to
understand
that.
Okay,
thank
you
you
see.
I
was
wondering
Rick
if
you
would
consider
having
Burgess
and
Aiko
look
at
this
in
terms
of
our
interest
and
how
it
would
serve
them,
particularly
the
cross
connect
and
any
metering
that
goes
on.
A
I
mean
I,
know
it's
all
hypothetical,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
this
is
a
pretty
unique
situation,
although
we
do
have
a
small
rural
water
system
surrounding
us
all
the
way
around
and
I,
especially
I'm
concerned
about
the
process
about
me
in
the
back
flow
valve
and
metering.
Some
of
those
other
things
just
a
theoretical
I
mean
somebody
with
an
engineering,
dispassionate,
objective
kind
of
thing,
because
it
seems
to
me
there
are
a
lot
of
different
interests
competing
here.
A
A
A
That's
that's
what
I
assumed
if
I
just
wanted
to
ask
and
then
the
other
question
was
because
there
are
some
properties
inside
the
city
for
this
development
that
are
getting
puffers
claims.
Part
of
this
agreement
is
not
for
them
to
be
released
from
the
water
system.
Correct.
It's
my
understanding.
Their
motion
did
not
release
those.
A
A
Just
for
information
see
you
not
offhand
know
what
the
capacity
is.
It's
a
tougher
plane
system.
You
know,
I,
don't
okay,
he's
a
possible
fine.
That
is
just
silly
just
so
Kate.
You
know
they
have
a
crash
our
late
times.
We
are.
It
sounds
like
this
small
yeah,
that's
a
two-inch
Alliance
and
we're
gonna
pipe
supply
more
okay.
No,
we
aren't
capacity
to
an
unrelated
question.
I
mean
certainly
related
to
voter
as
a
as
a
senior
community.
A
With
respect
to
the
tax
credit
that
the
mayor
described,
one
of
the
things
that
happens
with
this
property
is
it
actually
becomes
deed,
restricted
to
age,
55
or
older?
So
if
you
know,
if
we
violated
that
deed
restriction,
which
we
certainly
would
never
intend
to
do,
then
you
know
any
group,
the
Attorney
General,
the
the
state,
you
know
others
could
come
and
hold
us
to
that
deed
restriction.
A
I
am
incorrect.
Understanding
these
are
would
be
rental
unit.
That's
correct,
rental
shows
the
deed
restriction
would
be
to
the
Rhodope
company
or
or
any
successor,
property
owner
and
correct
and
that's
not
been
challenged
in
any
way.
No
I
mean
this.
This
meets
all
the
state
and
federal
requirements.
In
fact,
if
we,
if
we
did
designated
as
a
senior
property,
then
we
rented
to
none.
People
who
didn't
qualify
would
actually
violate
the
current
fair
housing
laws
in
order
to
remain
a
senior
property
and
be
exclusive
to
seniors.
A
That
means
you
have
to
stay
with
the
population
that
you've
designated.
If
you
start
to
make
exceptions,
then
you're
discriminating
against
younger
people,
which
you
can't
do
so
it's
a
there,
are
all
kinds
of
safeguards,
but
probably
the
most
direct
one
is
the
is
the
deed
restriction
that
gets
filed
on
the
property,
because
I
was
thinking
about
the
fair
housing
laws.
Certainly
it
seems
there's
no,
that
and
and
one
of
the
exceptions
to
being
able
to
discriminate
in
favor
of
a
certain
age
group
is
that
you
really
then
limit
the
property
to
that
age.
Group.
A
A
Is
this
one
space
per
unit?
In
other
words,
does
that
kind
of
law
rule
apply
to
this
particular?
Yes,
we
would
meet
the
cities,
even
though
we're
not
in
the
city.
If
the
agreement
was,
we
were
gonna
be
an
axon.
We
would
actually
billed
to
the
city's
zoning
and
building
code.
So,
yes,
we
meet
all
the
city
parking
requirements.
A
A
A
A
Wetlands
I
haven't
been
up
to
that
area.
Is
it
just
a
damp
place
or
is
it
actually
open
water
there?
It's
probably
something
in
between
it's.
It's
not
I,
wouldn't
call
it
open
water,
but
it's
probably
you
know,
maybe
a
little
bit
marshy.
You
can
see
some.
You
know
some
cattails,
that
kind
of
thing,
but
it's
not,
but
it's
not
like
flowing
water
and
don't,
like
things,
aren't
know.
A
Suggested
I,
don't
know,
we
suggest
suggested
one
other
than
we'd
like
to
move
through
the
process
as
quickly
as
we
did
earlier,
helping
maybe
by
Oh
a
month
or
so
from
now
to
be
able
to
go
to
Council
with
the
with
the
development
agreement.
But
but
but
it's
not
a
fixed
timetable
at
this
point
to
be
able
to
start
it
through
in
a
month
or
so
correct,
Syd
I
mean
we
should
certainly
be
able
to
hear
from
little
louder
actor
in
that
time.
A
A
This
is
a
trailer
that
I
guess
through
the
development
agreement,
this
project
received
preliminary
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
the
discussion
of
all
of
this.
There
was
some
comments
about
a
number
of
issues
with
regard
to
water
line,
sewer
lines
where
they
were
going
to
connect
in.
In
particular,
it
was
our
Planning
Commission
and
the
administration's
desire
to
supply
water
rather
than
from
the
main
line
on
Richland
Avenue,
but
to
build
a
new
water
line
that
would
go
to
Blackburn
Road
and
see
the
South
Blackburn
Tower.
A
This,
of
course
cost
a
lot
more
than
a
pump
station.
Would
so
the
developer
raised
questions
with
respect
to?
How
is
that
going
to
be
how's?
It
going
to
get
compensated
for
that
another
name
essence,
and
so
a
discussion
then
took
place
between
the
administration
and
mr.
Kirk
of
the
Edwards
communities
and
from
both
of
us
and
I.
A
Think
that
the
draft
agreement
that
you
will
see
from
the
law,
directors
comments
or
some
other
department
heads
things
that
got
deleted
and
new
words
that
got
put
in
and
everything
so
we
kind
of
wanted
to
be
able
to
go
over.
Some
of
those,
but
we
also
thought
this
would
be
an
opportunity
to
have
another
presentation
of
the
project
council
so
desire.
But-
and
in
this
we
could
did
a
couple
of
things.
A
We
can
go
through
these
individually
if
you
want,
or
not,
that
hey
that
that's
one
of
the
major
ones
that
they
have
another
thing
in
there
would
be
if
we're
successful
in
negotiating
with
the
Athens
city
school
system
to
have
tax
incremental
financing
on
the
project.
That
would
become
the
vehicle
that
which
we
would
be
able
to
reimburse
the
developer
for
the
cloth
extra
costs
associated
with
the
water
line
going
to
Blackburn
Tower,
and
in
addition
to
that,
I've
asked
the
utility
departments
to
say.
If
we
had
excess
money
from
a
TIF.
A
A
They
would
also
provide
the
city
with
item
nine,
a
responsibility
bond
and
favor
the
city
and
amount
sufficient
to
cover
the
cost
of
any
cleanup
construction,
completion
or
and/or
site
restoration
to
include,
but
not
limited
to
the
cost
of
storm
water
and
sediment
around
a
lot
of
student
public
damaged
public
streets
in
two
contiguous
neighborhood,
the
neighborhood
properties,
and
that
would
do
for
up
to
one
year
past.
The
end
of
construction
and
what
we
were
trying
to
do
there
was
to
put
something
in
that
was
a
bond
in
essence,
on-site
construction.
A
A
University
contractor
always
paid
us
for
that,
but
this
would
allow
for
that,
but
also
what
happens
if
the
developer
stops
halfway
through?
Well,
we
don't
want
to
sit
in
there
looking
like
that,
we
would
want
to
restore
it.
They,
of
course,
don't
intend
to
have
that
happen,
but
we
want
some
guarantee
in
there
as
an
administration
to
have
it
so
I
put
that
in
there
and
it
provides
documentation.
Berean
is
just
the
construction
and
then
we
would
provide
them
where
we
provide
them.
Access
to
water
and
sewer.
A
Though
there's
a
number
of
items
here
and
I
think
I've
hit
some
of
the
highlights
and
why
I
thought
this.
Some
of
these
were
significant
enough,
because
it's
talks
about
entering
into
a
tiff
agreement
if
the
school
system
wants
to
how
to
reimburse
the
developer
for
extra
costs
on
water
lines,
how
to
dispose
of
dirt
from
the
property.
A
So
there
were
some
issues
here
that
I
felt
that,
rather
than
go
all
the
way,
through
the
normal
development
process
of
waiting
for
the
Planning
Commission
to
give
final
approval
or
disapproval,
and
then,
if
you
got,
they
approved
it
coming
to
Council
and
then
then,
all
by
the
way.
We
also
have
this
agreement
to
enter
into,
and
there
was
something
in
the
agreement
that
you
want
to
change.
That
would
really
impact
the
project
then
the
earlier
we
know
about
this.
A
The
more
time
engineers
and
the
accountants
and
everybody
else
has
to
just
determine
if
it's
a
project
to
go
forward
with
or
not,
and
so
that's
why
I've
asked
you
know,
council
to
take
a
look
at
the
development
agreement
to
ask
general
questions
of
myself
or
mr.
Kirk
and
he's
brought
some
slight
layouts
I
haven't
seen
him
yet
cameras.
Aren't
that
way.
A
A
Question:
okay,
getting
which
other
people,
okay,
so
just
to
be
clear:
the
status
of
the
project.
It
has
not
been
approved
by
the
planning
commission.
This
isn't
coming
to
us
for
approval
at
this
time
and
if
I
understand
correctly,
if
you're
asking
us
to
consider
the
development
agreement
prior
to
the
final
approval,
but
it
would
be
something
that
would
only
go
into
effect
if
the
project
is
approved
right.
Okay,
would
you
like
to
go
ahead
and
give
us
a
just
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
where
you
are
with
the
project?
A
A
This
this,
my
memory
of
this
this
photo
here
is
a
larger
view
of
the
area.
This
is
our
sight
point
below,
and
this
highlighted
area
here
is
the
superimposed
blown-up
version
here.
What
we
try
to
do
here
is
to
show
our
property,
but
also
the
adjacent,
Ohio
University
property,
and
to
get
an
idea
on
what's
the
potential
impact
of
road
systems
and
sewer
systems
in
this
development
in
working
with
under
staff
and
mayor,
we
have
closed
water
line
extension.
A
I've,
been
told
the
monthly
electric,
for
that
is
eight
hundred
fifteen
hundred
dollars
a
month.
So
that
would
save
you
the
monthly
fee
and
allow
you
to
take
those
offline
and
get
out
of
the
maintenance
of
those
facilities.
We
would
oversize
this
system
to
service
this
potential
development
and
also
to
service
our
property.
We
can
also
tie
in
our
water
line
over
to
Gary
Lane,
which
has
been
commented
requested
so
that
we
could
have
water
service
over
here
if
you
so
desire
to
extend
it.
A
A
A
What
is
in
that
green
area
right
now
the
highlighted
property
adjacent
to
yours,
yeah?
The
way
we
have
this
show
is
that
the
richest,
the
richest,
is
over
here
any
further
off
everywhere
you
go.
Oh
it's
a
big
site
further
on
that
side
of
the
river
yeah.
It's
this
side,
yeah
and-
and
this
is
this
red
dotted
line-
that
green
would
be
buffer
areas.
The
sand,
color
cream
color
is
the
likely
areas
that
we
would
have
a
building
pad.
A
We've
done
some
total
graphic
work
and
there's
some
low
areas
and
appropriate
I
think
to
keep
some
space,
but
that's
not
your
property.
That
you're
was
getting
at
the
green
sand
versus
it's
these
property
that
that
you
would
kind
of
prepare
for
building
these
building
pads
well
in
order
to
yes,
ma'am
yeah.
In
order
to
come
up,
one
of
the
questions
that
came
up
was
just
where
would
you
put
the
material
over
here?
You
know
we
met
with
the
university
they
asked
gee.
Could
you
give
us
some
ideas
on
what
might
happen
there?
A
We
also
knew
that
that
you
folks
were
considering
roadway
roadway
system
here
for
10
20
30
years
out.
So
what
is
the
big
idea
in
terms
of
not
just
our
project
but
the
entire
area?
Why
would
we
bring
the
water
line
along
whatever
are
ruthless,
but
it's
been
represented
that
this
might
be
something
that
could
benefit
not
just
our
property,
but
this
development.
Also,
so
that's
that's
the
concept.
A
A
A
Part
of
the
penalty
was
this.
Previous
project
would
generate
640
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
taxes,
so
we
tried
to
work
with
your
folks
and
your
staff
to
look
at
not
only
just
the
tax
generation,
but
also
what
kinds
of
things
we
can
do
for
for
our
project.
That
would
also
the
larger
your
more
long-term
view
in
terms
of
your
community
and
future
development,
although
if
the
project
is
tipped
it
wouldn't
be,
you
know
generate
those
additional
tax
dollars.
It
would
be
an
alternative
yeah.
A
Okay,
just
to
remind
folks
that
what
we're
this
is
kind
of
an
overview
and
we're
not
considering
you
know,
approval
of
this
project,
we're
looking
at
the
issues
raised
in
the
development
agreement
and
just
getting
kind
of
a
heads
up
about
what's
being
presented.
So
questions
and
comments
from
Council
members.
A
First
of
all,
the
TIF
money
would
go
to
you
the
developer,
to
pay
that
off
and
then,
after
that,
for,
however
many
years,
the
city
would
would
accrue
that
benefit.
Yes,
but
okay,
yes,
ma'am,
there's
a
slight
clarification
to
that,
because
the
cost
of
the
water
line
less
what
it
would
have
cost
to
have
a
pump
station
which
the
developer
would
have
paid
for,
would
be
the
net
amount
reimbursable
to
the
developer
now
first
off
and
then
the
credit
of
the
tap
fees
of
water
fees
would
also
go
against
that.
A
If
the
640
is
all
property
taxes
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
included
any
income
tax
and
then
oh,
no,
no
I,
don't
know
if
it
were
saved.
Let's
say
roughly
600,000
together
the
easier
55%,
which
is
what
the
lastt
agreement
negotiated
with
the
school
Lord
was,
let's
say
it's
50%
spin-off,
then
almost
$300,000
per
year,
the
water
line
and
the
extension
all
the
way
to
blackboard,
and
you
know,
cost
more.
A
What's
new
sewer
lines,
nuts
new
water
lines
need
some
new
sidewalks
need
some
landscaping,
the
the
of
a
whole
list
of
things
that
we
would
want
to
be
able
to
do
in
the
south
into
town,
concentrating
on
the
Avenue,
because
it's
where
the
heart
of
the
all
the
other
infrastructure
goes
to
its,
where
we
have
most
of
our
eye
and
eye
problems
with
the
sewer
system.
That
gives
me
a
better
picture.
That's
what
I
thought
those
specifics
would
be
in
Tiff's
agreement,
which
so
it's
not
all
spelled
out.
A
You
know
on
some
of
those
other
items
like
if
you
like
the
mast,
irons
that
expect
I,
don't
like
the
color,
rich
or
six
82
and
56,
but
that
type
we
could
change
the
signals
to
that.
If
you
really
want
to
bury
some
electrical
lines
there
there's
money
there
for
that
I
mean
that's,
that's
the
idea
behind
the
TIF:
it's.
What
can
we
get
done
to
improve
so
that
Richland
Avenue
will
be
in
as
good
of
shape,
as
we
hope
he's.
State
Street
is
I.
A
Think
for
me,
the
biggest
red
flag
that
I
see
right
now
when,
when
putting
the
soil
on
Oh,
youth
property
was
just
about
having
the
fill
there.
I
wasn't
sure
whether
this
would
wage
conflict
of
interest
issues
that
came
up
in
the
NCR
project,
but
if
you're
now
talking
about
putting
in
the
development
agreement,
the
question
of
the
developer.
Building
these
building
pads
for
Ohio,
University,
I
think
there's.
A
A
A
Yes,
we
did
a
ten-inch
I,
think
it
is
up
to
the
top
of
the
hill,
maybe
and
then
approximately,
where
the
stagecoach
route
comes
into
it.
I
passed
the
exact
location
passed
that
we
did
a
six
inch
water
line
on
Blackburn
Road,
and
this
area
right
now
is
not
annexed
in
the
city.
Is
it
all
of
this
I
think
I
would
have
to
because
we're
the
loved
all
property
ends,
but
I
believe
the
one
across
from
stagecoach
is
in
the
city
limits.
A
That's
a
whole
other
project.
We
can
discuss
it
every
time
and
this
is
just
understanding
there.
There
are
so
many
water
line
breaks
in
this
community.
Is
it
because
of
the
soil?
I
was
just
curious
because
it
seems
to
me
there's
a
lot
of
expense
to
water
lines
when
they
break
and
they
need
to
be
repaired.
So
I
was
just
curious.
What
what
why
we
had
so
many
and
I,
and
whether
or
not
there's
some
extra
well,
it's
there.
There
are
many
answers
to
that.
A
One
of
it
is
the
age
of
some
of
the
water
lives
that
another
one
is
the
type
of
material
used
in
them.
There's
many
water
lines
in
the
city
they're
cast-iron
now,
and
when
you
start
having
to
move
with
the
soils
cast,
iron
does
not
Bend
as
well
as
plastic.
All
the
pipes
were
putting
in
right
now
are
plastic
because
we
found
that
they
they
last
longer
right.
Nothing
so
different
issues
all
right.
A
Just
wanted
to
comment
that
a
couple
of
the
the
things
that
have
been
questions
on
this
site
many
times
and
and
you've
heard
me
say
these
things
dozens
of
times,
but
one
has
to
do
with
the
engineering
and
the
stability
of
the
hills,
and
we
would
be
looking
very
carefully
at
engineering
of
those
aspects
and
the
other
is
consideration
of
the
residents
nearby.
I
know
that
part
of
the
project
includes
the
purchase
of
one
property,
but
only
one
correct,
correct.
A
Those
will
be
questions.
I
will
continue
to
have
I
love.
To
give
you
an
up-to-date
analysis
on
we've
done
an
extensive
analysis
on
the
slope,
the
soil
conditions,
it's
consistent
with
what
you
see
around
here
in
Athens
County,
but
in
general
we
have
shale
which
we
would
remove
and
then
underneath
the
shell.
A
You
have
sandstone
that
varies
in
density
and
we
have
met
with
contractors
to
talk
about
how
to
excavate
it,
how
to
mash
in
how
to
build
its
stability
in
terms
of
building
pads,
the
slope
analysis,
and
we
have
actually
revised
a
site
plan,
because
we've
had
some
some
more
information
that
that
has
affected
our
earlier
plan.
So
well
aware
of
the
requirement
of
the
community-
and
we
have
probably
70
100
borings-
that
we
have
existing
we're
going
out
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
doing
some
deep
borings
down
a
hundred
feet
to
check
the
density.
A
We
know
a
couple
of
folks
that
have
long
term
plans
and
we
would
do
our
best
to
accommodate
those
folks,
I
still
hear
from
a
couple
of
them
in
ripen,
so
I'm
wanting
to
be
able
to
give
them
some
idea
of
where
the
project
stands
at
the
mayor's
direction.
We
come
here
tonight
to
discuss
this
document,
which
is
the
the
template
for
for
what
will
benefit
the
community
in
the
project
specifics.
But
we
want
to
death,
begin
the
process
here
and
get
some
feedback.
A
Lindsay
a
couple
questions:
this
is
a
putt
for
sure
right,
you're,
not
gonna,
go
to
a
single
building
with
one
roof.
It's
true.
This
is
buildings.
Yes,
I
want
to
make
sure.
Okay,
a
second
one,
how
many
bedrooms
on
this
plane.
There
are
896
bedrooms.
A
Jared
chill
fire
protection,
I
have
a
question.
The
mayor.
If
we
put
this
in,
we
have
to,
we
have
the
booster
pump
and
then
the
fire
protection
fumble
we'd
be
able
to
abandon
the
second
one.
Remember
how
the
firemen
can
turn
on
that
second
pump
for
fire
protection.
We
put
it
in
after
that
fire.
They
had
a
couple
years
ago,
maybe
Irish
and
years
ago,
but
yeah
I
mean
there's
the
general
pump
and
then
there's
the
right,
but
both
of
those
would
both
go.
A
Both
would
go,
I
mean
we
would
probably
be
servicing
carriage
hill
from
above
them,
and
the
water
pressure
coming
out
of
the
blackburn
tower,
according
to
the
engineers,
would
be
be
sufficient.
The
other
advantage
of
using
blackburn
is,
you
know,
nancy.
Is
it
right
now
with
the
number
of
customers
it
serves?
It
doesn't
turn
over
as
often
as
the
EPA
would
like,
because
they'd
like
to
maybe
recharge
and
he's
one
of
24
to
48
hour
period
to
meet
their
standards,
or
we
just.
A
We
can't
do
that
with
the
number
of
customers
around
okay,
the
main
problem
that
was
out
there.
The
last
time
was
the
storm
sewer
and
the
land
development
ordinance,
so
you're
gonna
be
pretty
forthcoming
on
what
you're
doing
rec
on
that
one
storm
sewers:
how
you're
going
to
eat
the
land
development
ordinance?
A
Yes,
because
you've
only
talked
about
water
and
sanitary,
at
least
maybe
I
wasn't
hearing
I've
already
mentioned
that,
probably
yes,
yeah
I
didn't
mention
storm
sewer,
we've
done
our
calculations
and
our
the
site,
as
planned
now
is
capable
of
handling
all
of
our
on-site
water
runoff.
We
have
detention
ponds
under
the
building,
sir
no
they're,
dry,
detention
above
above
ground,
and
that
would
Johnson
center
this
500
year
flood.
A
Additionally,
we've
we've
in
this
agreement.
We've
talked
about
an
a
bond
that
would
cover
potential,
runoff
and
and
this
city
streets
that
we
would
be
responsible
for.
We
would
we'd
like
to
not
have
to
pay
the
bond
I'd
like
to
not
have
it
even
be
an
issue.
That's
done
to
have
to
use
the
ball
right,
but
I
want
the
protection
of
okay.
I've
got
one
more
question
about
sewer.
Are
you
gonna
well,
who
we
be
asking
for
tap
fees
and
sewer
sanitary
sewer,
but
not
in
water?
Is
that
what
I
I
was
kind?
A
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion,
America
correct,
and
actually
this
document
I'm
gonna
correct,
but
we're
asking
only
for
water.
That's
at
one
time.
We,
we
weren't
sure
what
the
cost
of
the
oversizing
was,
and
we
have
done
our
calculations
now
more
willing
to
absorb
that.
That's
part
of
the
benefit
to
oh,
you,
probably
yes,
America,
as
opposed
to
us.
Okay,.
A
A
A
Okay,
I
saw
Carol
I
just
wondered
where
what
the
status
is
at
this
point
in
terms
of
dairy
Lane,
if
you've
decided
that
nothing
will
happen
from
Dairy
laners,
there's
still
some
questions.
Well,
yes,
we
had
proposed
not
coming
on
to
dairy
Lane
at
all
right.
The
request
by
the
fire
chief
to
have
a
secondary
access
is
still
appointed
discussion.
He
wants
to
have
dairy
Lane
access
and.
A
The
world
will
listen
to
that
in
terms
of
water
and
sewer
connection,
we're
not
doing
that
which
was
a
proposal
not
by
us
but
in
the
past,
so
where
we're
gonna
work
with
you.
Folks,
on
that
I
think,
as
I
said
in
the
past,
our
preference
is
not
to
go
down
there,
we're
trying
to
stay
off
dairy
line
plane,
but
after
emergency
bar
she's
requesting
it's
been
we'll,
listen
I
miss
this,
but
all
the
benefit
to
oh
you
having
brought
up
the
ethics
issue
now.
Why
is
that
the
case
right?
I,
guess?
A
Well,
it
evolved
probably
from
that
waterline
that,
as
you
know,
we're
not
the
first
to
come
through
with
a
project
proposal
here,
so
there
was
a
direction
sent
previously
that
we
are
trying
to
listen
to,
and
so
we
modified
that,
but
one
of
them
is
the
extension
of
a
water
line
area
from
Blackburn
Road.
So
that's
where
it
started
and
that
you
have
to
go
through
volumes.
Probably
do
that's
a
big
thing:
okay!
A
Yes,
when
we
took
that
information,
and
then
we
looked
into
a
long
term
idea
on
how
a
road
system
could
be
tied
into
stagecoach
and
also
over
to
the
supposedly
public
road
that
goes
through
a
carriage
hill,
then
it
starts
to
open
up
ideas
about
what
can
happen
with
that.
Oh
you
property.
So
previously
it
was
just
a
building
pad
then,
from
from
our
standpoint,
it
was
why
not
bring
the
water
line
through
there
as
opposed
to
all
the
way
around
the
dairy
Lane
loop.
A
We
thought
that's
more
beneficial
to
to
the
development
of
that
ground
and
then
for
us
to
bring
sewer
as
well.
It
was
not
that
big
of
a
deal
so
we're
now
providing
a
building
pad
water
sewer
and
a
concept
for
a
road
system
that
could
really
bring
development
ideas.
To
that
that's
a
I
notice,
a
lot
of
benefit
I
was
just
wondering
you
know.
Have
it
yeah
came
about?
A
And
in
previous
plans
and
I
know,
this
is
not
just
your
definitive
plan,
but
in
previous
plans,
there's
gonna
be
some
commercial
development
on
that
slope
that
comes
up
for
missional,
Avenue
I,
don't
see
that
indicated
here,
that's
correct
and
what's
happened.
The
last
couple
weeks
is
that
when
we
got
into
the
the
slope
stability
with
our
soils
engineer,
we
found
out
that
the
grading
of
that
area
we
were
going
to
require
that
area
to
hold
are
three
to
one
slope.
A
A
A
Okay,
do
you
want
me
to
clean
here
come
up
to
one
of
the
mics?
Maybe
we
should
move
the
phone.
A
Can
you
hear
me:
okay,
I'm,
Joey,
Arab
and
I'm,
a
long-term
resident
of
the
city
of
Athens
and
I'm,
also
the
president
Southside
neighborhood
association?
Of
course
we
have
great
problems
with
this
project.
A
One
of
the
most
curious
things
is
that
the
comment
about
moving
the
dirt,
which,
of
course
he
hasn't
mentioned
how
much
dirt
he
intends
to
move,
but
he
intends
to
move
the
Stewart's
because
it's
not
stable
enough
to
build
on,
but
yet
he's
planning
to
build
building
pads
for
the
University.
So
that's
extremely
curious,
but
I
also
represent
the
residents
of
the
city
of
Athens,
who
I've
had
so
many
of
them
comment
to
me.
A
They
don't
believe
that
we
need
this
much
housing,
especially
not
in
the
south
side
of
town
I,
don't
know
if
anybody
that
believes
that
they
want
to
see
any
more
hills,
altered,
I
think
Richland
avenues
at
capacity
and,
yes,
it
could
be
improved,
but
it's
pretty
fragile
and
I'm
not
really
sure
that
it's
ever
going
to
look
like
East
8th
Street.
Although
you
could
improve
the
curbs
and
the
sidewalks
it's
a
capacity
for
vehicular
traffic.
We
have
a
lot
of
walkers.
A
A
My
name's
Christine
nicely
15
old,
coach
Road
and
my
question
about
the
information
presented
tonight
relates
to
the
credit
on
the
tap
fees
I'm,
just
wondering
if
the
city
has
done
that
before,
if
not
what
kind
of
precedent
it
sets
and
just
maybe
wanting
a
little
bit
more
additional
information
about
it,
just
some
questions
about
it.
Thank
you.
A
I
noticed
part
of
the
cities
shall
do
something:
assist
coordination,
acquisition,
I,
want
to
say
easements
from
ODOT
and
Huber
University.
Are
you
doing
a
negotiation
or
the
city
doing
negotiation
with
these
entities?
I
mean
it
sounds
like
exist
since
the
ODOT
route
has
been
abandoned,
but
we
will
do
the
acquisition,
yes
and
but
we
would
use
any
cooperative
effort
with
the
city
since
we're
trying
to
sort
of
work
together,
but
it's
our
responsibility
as
developers.