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A
Good
evening
welcome
to
Athens
City
Council
tonight,
it's
Monday
December,
the
11th
2006,
the
seeking
city
council
is
meeting
a
special
session.
That's
the
reason
we're
here
at
7:00
p.m.
and
after
City
Council's
special
session.
We
won't
have
a
series
of
committee
meetings,
so
first
we
do
have
a
quorum
with
five
members
of
council
present.
A
A
B
C
B
This
is
exactly
what
I
got
into
with
this
whole
thing:
I
went
to
the
sign
ordinance.
The
sign
ordinance
implies
that,
and,
and
I
have
to
say
implies.
It
doesn't
explicitly
say
that
they're
exempt
on
public
property,
as
well
so
or
on
private
property
I
did
talk
to
Gary
hunter
about
it.
He
said
that
we
could
not
have
something
it
would
not
hold
up
on
private
property.
I
then
went
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
spoke
to
them
about
it,
and,
first
of
all
discovered
that
it
requires
a
public
hearing,
but
they
were
talking
about
that.
D
Craig
Broadhurst
and
Grant
Hill
Avenue
and
concerning
the
sign,
ordinance
yeah,
it
definitely
needs
some
improvement.
I've
had
some
conversations
with
with
the
code
enforcement
director
about
some
issues
related
to
the
sign,
ordinance
and
here's
my
feeling
about
it
and
I
address
that
to
to
City,
Council
and
akin
to
Councilwoman
Patterson.
Maybe
we
got
to
do
it
all
at
the
same
time.
B
D
B
E
F
B
E
H
B
Is
not,
however,
that
we
also
discussed
that
at
the
Planning
Commission
it
was
suggested,
while
I
guess
I
suggested
it
that
the
Arts
Commission
pursue
some
other
municipal
definitions,
and
while
this
is
presumably
Senate
sitting
on
the
table
that
we
can
find
out
more
information
of
what
the
definition
is
that
is
used
in
other
cities.
Good.
A
B
B
A
I
President
I
move
adoption
of
ordinance
o1
3306.
Second,
this
is
an
ordinance,
as
you
stated,
just
a
simple
Street,
closing
in
front
of
the
new
Baker
Center
for
their
dedication
ceremony
to
take
place
in
February
on
that
Saturday
of
what
you've
already
notified
council
that
there
is
a
basketball
game,
but
not
until
2
o'clock.
That
day
for.
J
President
I
have
two
issues
with
the
closing
of
the
street.
One
of
them
is
something
councilmember
for
always
asked
me
about.
It
seems
that
we
are
already
widening
the
sidewalk,
be
making
a
bike
lane
and
I.
Don't
believe,
Council
have
any
input
on
that
and
so
I'm
a
little
concerned
about
that
I,
you
know
sort
of
minor
stuff
and
then
a
couple
two
or
three
people
make
a
big
decision
about
taking
a
lane
of
traffic
off
the
street.
J
E
A
F
A
I
A
J
A
one
3506
says
him
authorizes
the
purchase
in
a
contractual
basis,
certain
reagents,
that
we
need
across
a
number
of
funds.
I
would
like
to
at
this
point
imagine
remind
the
mayor
that
we
would
like
at
least
I
would
like
some
and
I
would
like
the
record
to
show
and
once
again
I'm
noting
the
need
to
have
some
protection
over
the
salt,
both
containment
and
I,
hope
in
the
next
in
the
new
year.
Please
pretty,
please
it's
been
a
year!
Thank
you
for.
F
A
Of
some
stuff,
that's
not
for
the
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
adoption
of
ordinance,
136,
hi,
I
supposed
the
ordinances
been
adopted
and
ordinances
for
second
reading
organs,
137
and
six,
an
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
submit
a
request
to
the
Ohio
Department
of
Development.
He
is
currently
held
revolving
loan
fund
dollars,
and/or
program
income
fund
for
the
lasing,
the
proposed
market
Pavilion
at
the
university
mall
as
a
community
development
project
to
be
used
to
support
small
business
development
and
authorizing
the
mayor
to
pursue
additional
grant
funds
and
accept
donations
for
said
purpose.
C
President
I
move
that
we
consider-
oh
one,
thirty,
seven,
oh
six,
under
suspension
of
the
rules.
Second,
the
reason
for
the
suspension
is
that
this
wonderful
project
that
is
going
to
be
of
great
benefit
to
the
citizens
of
Athens
and
the
surrounding
area
needs
additional
funding
beyond
the
revolving
loan
fund.
And
if
we
approve
this
now,
it's
going
to
help
in
leveraging
additional
grant
dollars
in
the
tiny
ways
so
that
we
can
get
the
project
underway.
Well,.
C
President
I
move
adoption
of
o
130
706.
Second,
this
will
authorize
the
mayor
to
submit
a
request
to
use
our
revolving
loan
fund
money
for
the
public
market
project
out
on
East,
8th
Street,
which
will
help
a
number
of
our
local
small
businesses
and
farmers
and
a
lot
of
the
citizens
here
in
Athens.
It's
a
very
exciting
project.
Further.
A
Discussion
on
organs
137
all
those
in
favor
of
adoption
of
the
ordinance,
those
opposed
the
ordinance
has
been
adopted.
Ordinance
138
Lordan
authorizing
the
mayor
dinner
into
a
contract
with
the
Athens
County
Convention
and
Visitor's
Bureau
to
allocate
funds
to
use
the
support
of
tourism
development
grants,
ordinance.
A
An
ordinance
authorizing
the
mayor
to
submit
an
application
for
grant
funds
through
the
Ohio
Department
of
Transportation,
for
the
mythical
bridge
bodies
against
140th,
set
some
ordinance
to
make
appropriation
for
current
expenses
and
other
expenditures
of
the
COBE
of
Athens
Ohio
during
the
fiscal
year,
ending
December
31
0
7
when
in
2040
106
an
ordinance
authorizing
staffing
levels
along
Union
pay,
scale
and
slotting
for
the
fiscal
year,
energy.
Some
ending
December,
31st
k,
7,
repeal
in
all
ordinances,
inconsistent
therewith
and
declaring
an
emergency
ordinance.
F
A
D
G
B
G
President
I
move
adoption
of
a
one
4406
senator
again.
This
is
a
an
opportunity
for
the
mayor
to
negotiate
with
an
entity
that
would
like
to
participate
in
our
economic
in
our
revolving
loan
fund
through
the
community,
develop
Development,
Block,
Grants
small
cities
program
and
the
economic
development
revolving
loan
fund.
G
The
participant
and
the
mayor
would
both
be
negotiating
with
each
other
and
with
the
community
block
grant
funding
sources
in
order
to
come
up
with
a
program
that
will
allow
us
to
to
make
these
funds
available
and
there's
an
announcement
here
that
I'm
a
little
confused
about
it
says
the
second
public
hearing
will
be
held.
December
18th,
2006,
7
p.m.
at
City
Hall
to
discuss
and
comment
on
the
proposed
earlier
proposed
CDBG
application,
which
we
had
a
public
hearing
on
May
15th
and
also
this
proposed
issue.
G
M
L
G
A
For
their
discussion,
all
those
in
favor
of
adoption
of
the
Oregon
high
degrees
opposed
the
ordinance
is
printed
offered
more
than
one
4506
in
ordinance.
Amending
the
2006
appropriation
Oregon's
ordinance
146
is
six
an
ordinance
adopting
the
update
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan
for
the
city
of
Athens,
coordinate
147,
a
second
ordinance
amending
the
athlean
city
code,
title
21,
subdivision
regulations,
chapter
21
point:
oh
eight
requirements
for
construction
of
improvements.
L
L
L
This
completes
a
yearly
cycle
for
producing
one's
own
food,
the
CFI
history
we
started
as
a
project
of
eight
and
nine
ninety-two
became
a
separate
501,
C,
3
and
95,
and
then
we
started
various
projects
from
99
with
the
free
seeds
and
then
2000
was
began
working
with
the
Atmos
community
gardens
in
2003.
We
took
over
management
of
the
community
gardens
and
then
that's
when
we
began
our
composting
partnership
with
you
UFA
and
we
started
our
edibles
through
our
project
and
Seed
Savers
groups.
L
L
The
two
adult
world
gardeners
were
very
excited
about
their
experience
and
they
attribute
the
garden
experience
to
why
their
five-year-old
son
ate
zucchini
for
the
first
time,
and
they
were
very
excited
about
that
and
they
they
had
a
great
time
with,
regardless
of
our
hope,
garden,
achievements
included,
14
new
gardeners,
10
gardens,
we
supplied
the
seeds,
tomato
plants
and
other
starts.
We
built
compost
bins
for
a
composting
demonstration
set
on
the
east
end
of
town.
L
We
gave
composting
education,
we
amended
the
soil,
three
sets
of
tools,
wheelbarrow
irrigation
system
and
food
preservation
workshops
and
we
created
a
gardener
contract.
We
planted
peach
pear
cherry
one
apricot
tree.
We
planted
two
grapevines.
We
became
a
website
for
job
and
government
services,
we're
working
with
Steve
Jewell
to
expand
the
gardens
in
2007.
We
had
a
very
exciting
time
with
the
kids
garden
that
was
developed
there
and
the
kids
produce
beans,
beets
and
lettuce.
They
didn't
get
the
garden
into
August,
so
they
couldn't
get
all
the
other
stuff
in
next
year.
L
L
We
also
expanded
there
with
garden
space.
We
added
nut,
trees
and
blueberry
bushes
are
coming
in
the
spring.
There's
some
pictures
of
the
winter
gardens
there's
some
pictures
of
some
gardeners
in
2005.
We
grew
by
almost
1400
square
feet
and
we
had
31
people
growing
gardens
and
it
was
a
very
tough
year
that
was
the
year.
We
had
90
days
without
rain,
and
it
was
a
very
difficult
year
for
the
gardener's
in
2006
was
much
better.
We
expanded
again
by
about
1600
square
feet.
L
We
offer
up
the
new
site
at
Hope
Gardens,
we
increase
the
number
of
gardens
to
57
over
both
gardens
increase
the
number
of
plots
to
50.
We
planted
three
pecan
trees
at
the
Westside
gardens
with
kept
the
soil
for
blueberry
bushes,
again,
the
Hope
garden
fruit
trees
and
we
have
18
food
preservation
workshops
right.
There
is
Joyce
Brown
from
OSU
Extension.
L
L
Green
manure?
That's
a
big
thing:
putting
rye
on
your
garden
in
the
winter,
how
to
put
your
garden
to
sleep,
how
to
make
kimchi
a
West,
Side,
neighborhood
association,
accomplishment
garden
cleanup
days
and
how
to
preserve
horseradish
is
happening
right
at
this
moment.
Actually,
here's
some
pot
Luck's
and
composting
workshop.
L
These
are
the
gutters
on
the
west
side,
coming
together
for
potluck,
here's
a
chart
of
what
I
just
kind
of
said
to
you
a
lot
of
information
about
our
progress
over
the
last
three
years
and
then
the
amount
of
food
preserved
was
substantial
this
year,
and
this
is
include
what
Mary
read
preserved
from
her
as
she
sells
pesto
at
the
farmers
market,
and
so
that
doesn't
include
all
the
basil.
She
grew
there
and
preserved
for
selling
that's
just
home
for
the
home
consumption.
L
The
majority
of
the
Gunners
felt
that
by
participating
the
community
gardens,
they
have
improved
their
diet
through
eating.
More
fruits
and
vegetables
decrease
the
amount
of
money
they
spent
on
food
became
more
physically
active
and
decrease
the
amount
of
fast
food
that
they
consumed.
We
had
a
survey
we
surveyed.
The
gardener's
is
a
third
gear
survey
and
the
gardener's
and
ill
garde
compiles
the
surveys
and
analyzes
it
and
gives
us
the
data.
This
is
data
from
there
from
those
surveys.
L
Overall,
evaluation
conclusions
from
Elgar
community
food
initiatives,
community
gardens
and
seed
and
plant
distribution
are
making
an
impact
and
low-income
residents
access
to
critical
means
for
home
food
production.
Here's
some
pictures
of
Mary
Reed
and
her
pesto
production,
which
showed
it
was
helping
with
the
economy
in
the
Athens
with
helping
jobs
here.
L
Bins
being
assembled
at
East,
West,
8th
Street
is
a
six
bin
system
and
we
moved
a
lot
accomplished
through
these
systems.
The
gardener's
are
becoming
very
proficient
at
any
compost
to
their
gardens
and
improving.
The
soil
is
very
sandy
down
there,
because
it's
in
a
floodplain,
and
so
the
soil
tilth
needed
a
lot
of
work.
It
wasn't
it's
not
holding
a
lot
of
water,
so
the
gardeners
are
very
interested
in
and
improving
their
soil
down
there.
L
Here's
a
picture
of
some
compost,
the
hope,
composting
demonstration
site
oil
on
the
left
there,
the
composting
progress,
the
number
of
volunteers,
picking
up
buckets
in
2000
it
was
in
2005,
was
8
in
2006,
is
for
the
number
of
restaurants
was
from
90
to
10
and
the
gallons
of
food
scraps
went
down.
Everything
went
down
because
we
had
volunteers
that
were
not
reliable,
and
so
it
was
taking
too
much
of
our
coordinators
time
to
have
to
go
and
pick
up
all
these
buckets.
L
L
More
workshops,
rotate
composting
grant,
Ohio
environment,
environmental
education
fund,
we're
also
working
in
composting
in
our
Edible
Schoolyard
projects,
where
we
go
into
the
schools,
and
we
have
been
working
with
East,
Elementary
and
they're
composting
project
and
we're
trying
to
get
vermiculture
with
a
worm
composting
into
Trimble
into
the
Trimble
local
schools,
and
then
we're
going
to
probably
be
working
with
a
couple.
Other
schools,
starting
in
2007,
we
haven't
decided
which
schools
those
are
yet.
L
Okay,
here's
the
I
thought
I'd
throw
in
some
Edible
Schoolyard
research
in
progress,
because
this
I've
been
doing
a
research
and
what
happens
when
kids
don't
get
the
fruits
and
vegetables,
and
even
people
don't
and
it.
This
is
all
my
research
has
pointed
to
this
compromise
ability
to
resist
illnesses,
health
problems.
Children
have
more
occurrence
of
health
problems
such
as
stomach
aches,
headaches,
colds,
ear,
infections
and
fatigues.
L
What
keeps
them
out
of
school
makes
it
difficult
for
them
to
learn
and
they're
having
a
hard
time,
keeping
up
one
of
the
main
cog,
impaired,
cognitive,
functioning
and
diminished
capacity
to
learn
so
that
our
children
need
a
certain
amount
of
fruit
and
vegetables
in
order
to
help
them
learn
the
things
in
school
they
need
to
learn.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
Trimble
Edible
Schoolyard
project
that
we
have,
and
here
is
East
Elementary
and
then
in
the
2005,
edible
spear
achievements.
L
We've
cultivated
about
35
by
200-foot
garden,
preschool
class
planted
sunflowers
preschool
teacher
organized
a
week-long
lesson
on
seed
germination
finished
the
week
in
the
garden
4th
grade
math
class,
talented
pumpkins
and
carrots.
We
drew
tomatoes,
peppers,
squash
basil
and
miracles
in
high
school
greenhouse.
We
received
a
grant
to
pay
for
irrigation
system
wheel
barrel
of
tools,
work
for
school
administrators
and
staff
to
gather
support
for
the
project
we
see
here.
F
B
J
L
We're
kind
of
working
two
ways:
we
have
a
backyard
composting
education
campaign
and
we
want
a
large
scale
composting
system
that
will
help
draw
stuff
out
of
the
landfill,
keep
from
going
into
the
landfill,
I,
guess
and
then
composted
in
the
city
and
to
be
able
to
turn
around
and
sell
it
back
to
our
own
local.
Whoever
wants
it,
you
know,
landscapers
people
we're
finding
that
there's
a
large
demand
for
it.
We
don't
really
have
any
hard
time
getting
rid
of
it.
L
We
can't
necessarily
sell
it,
but
we're
working
with
the
Ohio
EPA
right
now
to
figure
all
that
out
and
we're
looking
for
a
site.
We
had
a
gentleman
approached
us
on
the
last
meeting
on
Thursday
that
he
has
a
farm
that
he's
looking
to
start
a
large-scale
out
on
Fisher
Road,
a
large
scale,
composting
system
out
there
and
then
we're
also
looking
for
a
site.
You
were
just
looking
for
a
site,
that's
EPA
approved
and
it's
room
for
progress
close
to
a
major
highway.
So.
J
F
G
G
You
have
said
is
the
city's
goal
in
distance
at
councils.
Goal
I
believe
is
to
develop
a
community-wide
composting
program.
That
at
the
moment,
would
concentrate
on
on
yard.
Waste
leaves
grass
cutting
grass
clippings
brush
that
we
that
we
do
collect
now,
but
we
don't
utilize
what
we
collect
and
we
would
like
to
cooperate
with
the
county
entities
and
include
them,
and
we've
actually
begun
discussions
in
toward
that
direction.
So
and
yes,
it
would
include
a
pickup
program
just
as
we
have
recycling
pickup
and.
B
E
B
J
I
I
just
wanted
to
say,
I've
been
following
closely
what
CFI
does
and
I
really
it's
great
I,
very
impressive
I
just
wondered
if
you
could
touch
on
for
this
friend
curiosity
on
the
community
gardens.
How
does
one
go
about
getting
involved
with
between
gardener
being
a
gardener?
Oh
you.
L
Would
email
me
email
me
at
see:
a
fight
frog
net
got
net
and
then
we
just
set
up
an
appointment
and
I
meet
you
out
there
and
give
you
a
spot
great
that
Street
exam,
that
we
have
a
map
and
then
I
give
you
a
little
tour
and
we
little
contract
and
those
are
the
contract
and
things
like
that:
no
paperwork!
Good!
It's
generally
pretty
low-key!
L
E
So
a
couple
questions,
your
I
think
you
should
pointed
out:
you've
been
growing
quite
a
bit
each
year.
So
what
is
the
total
square
footage
for
the
list
of
the
West
Side
community
gardens.
J
L
E
What
is
the
contract
like
I,
also
want
to
reiterate
what
Carol
is
saying
about
a
just
to
see
what
a
budget
looks
like
on
this.
My
experience
with
giving
tours
and
grants
and
stuff
like
that,
when
I
was
sitting
down,
there
is
usually
they
had
to
submit
a
budget
from
the
previous
year.
Just
so,
everybody
knew
what
kind
of
mix
ended
up
in
the
stuff.
B
I
L
L
L
Anybody
ask
people
to
give
10%
of
their
produce
back
to
the
community.
Okay,
give
them
a
list
of
different
like
suppers,
and
you
see
em
different
places
that
want
it
or
don't
want
you
know,
and
then
we
can
we
may
have.
We
have
them,
make
the
contact
with
that
group
and
they
they
bring
it
and
so
and
we
bring
I
haven't,
had
to
bring
it
in
a
couple
years
because
they've
brought
it
all.
You.
F
L
F
L
I
L
Can't
do
that
right
now,
but
we
do
you
know
some
of
the
guards
do
bring
some
of
their.
You
know
they
throw
the
produce
in
there
and
things
like
that,
so
we
don't
really
have
a
place
that
this
the
citizens
of
Athens
can
bring
to
yet
we're.
Not
at
that
point
where
we
can.
We
have
to
have
certain
angles
of
the
slope
and
floodplain
issues
and
stuff
like
that
dealt
with.
So
you
know
now
at
this
moment:
okay,
but.
K
F
L
G
F
F
L
Again,
I
have
two
things
here:
III
set
up
a
packet
of
paper
at
everybody's
desk
up
there
that
it
has
the
ill
guard
report
on
CFI
and
then
some
articles
and
then
I
have
this
as
another
project.
We're
doing
is
we're
creating
a
document
of
seeds
that
are
being
vegetable
seeds
that
are
being
saved
in
the
area
so
that
we
can
kind
of
have
an
idea
of
who's
saving.
What
and
where
and
we're
not
a
seed
bank
we're
a
bank
of
information
on
where
seeds
are
so.
L
J
So
I'm,
one
of
the
things
that
I
guess,
I
I
know
I
said
before-
is
that
when
I
was
on
a
field
trip
to
Ohio
State,
the
one
thing
they
said
is
thanks
to
people
like
Rhonda
and
Leslie,
we're
known
for
our
Oh
food
production
farmers,
market
and
so
on
so
happy
to
continue
this
relationship
and
I
hope
by
the
end
of
next
year,
we'll
be
ready
to
roll
on
something
within
the
city.
It's
nice
to
be
known
for
something
like
that:
yeah
yeah.
K
B
B
There
might
be
other
options
in
terms
of
having
an
individual
on
staff,
eventually
that
handles
these
things.
But
six
months
ago,
representatives
of
the
EPA
came
and
met
with
the
well
head
committee
and
was
anxious
to
do
workshops
with
business
people
and
residential
within
the
wellhead
protection
area,
to
explain
to
them
more
about
how
they
can
be
compliant
with
the
the
wellhead
protection
ordinance
and
the
meeting
kind
of
ended
with
well.
We
didn't
really
know
who
was
in
charge.
B
We
didn't
really
have
an
enforcement
agency
or
person
in
in
place
and
until
we
had
a
a
way
to
sort
of
process
things
that
the
meetings
would
be
premature.
So
this
really
does
answer
that
you
had
a
proposed
agreement
and
basically
it
says
that
they
will
be
able
to
better
enforce
these
wellhead
protection
regulations
that
they
will
do
inspections.
B
Investigate
complaints,
inventory
new
and
existing
facilities.
That
was
all
done
initially,
when
the
wellhead
protection
ordinance
was
put
into
place.
It's
now
time
to
follow
up
on
those
plus
any
new
ones.
Someone
has
to
know
how
to
go
about
doing
it,
and
then
the
final
portion
of
this
is
educational
liaison,
which
would
be
someone
who
facilitates
those
meetings
in
addition
to
any
school
age
programs
that
might
be
developed.
B
This
proposes
that
the
Health
Department
working
coordination
with
crystal
at
the
water
plant
and
maintained
reports,
monthly
reports
or
the
city.
It's
a
20
hour
a
week
program
at
30
135
or
the
regular
hours
3962
for
overtime,
I,
just
kind
of
ran
it
a
little
bit
here,
it's
somewhere
a
little
over
thirty
thousand
dollars
to
implement
it
for
you
the
year
and
odd.
This
would
begin
on
January,
2nd,
o
7
and
then
throughout
the
year.
B
E
E
M
J
G
B
B
Some
of
in
answer
to
your
question,
I,
haven't
called
people
and
said:
are
you
okay
with
this?
Some
of
the
people
that
were
originally
involved,
they're
still
involved-
and
this
is
this-
is
a
compromise.
It
really
isn't
the
goal,
but,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we've
talked
about
is
that
perhaps
a
half
time
person
of
who's,
a
retired
EPA
person
might
be
something
that
we.
F
J
D
Greg
brought
hers
Granville
Avenue,
with
that
$35
thousand
dollar
figure
in
mind.
I
was
thinking
of
just
what
done
dr.
Boehner
just
said,
and
for
a
part-time
person,
with
the
expertise
to
be
able
to
perform
that
the
duties
of
the
position
and
be
certified
as
an
environment
professional
by
the
state
of
Ohio
I
think
is
reasonable.
So
maybe
you
know
outsourcing
and
that
to
another
agency
may
be
kind
of
short-circuiting
getting
this
thing
going.
So
that's
just
a
perspective.
Great.
D
B
F
J
Alright,
so
we'll
be
up
for
first
reading
right.
Okay,
last
year
we
talked
about
the
Stewart
Street
sidewalk
and
I've
had
some
pressure
from
my
constituents
to
do
some
more
sidewalk
since
we're
a
so-called
walking
City
and
so
I
was
wondering
if
we
would
agree
that
we
would
try
to
find
out
what
the
cost,
what
the
situation,
if
would
be,
if
we
would
do
only
let's
say
the
going
down.
Grosvenor
the
left
hand
side.
J
J
J
J
Out
other
stuff,
for
me
all
right,
so
that's
the
next
thing
and
then
and
I
think
that
you
know
we
have
this.
The
people
want
us
to
continue
to
rebuild
the
sidewalks
and
the
people
who
own
them
can
pay
for
them.
Yeah
and
I
think
they're.
It's
a
much
walk
to
area
I,
wouldn't
mind
North
Lancaster,
Street
either,
but
I
mean
from
variously.
I
J
I
M
J
F
M
M
J
J
C
C
F
C
We'll
go
ahead
in
the
order
that
things
are
on
there.
We
have
folks
here
to
present
to
us
about
the
summit
at
coats,
run,
I,
think
we're
mainly
talking
about
the
development
agreements
and
do
you
want
to
come
up
to
one
of
the
microphones
and
be
able
to
talk
with
folks?
Do
you
have
any
updates
or
additional
information
to
the
document
you
gave
us.
N
Hello,
Rick
Kirk
with
the
Edwards
companies
from
Columbus
your
again
to
follow
up
on
our
previous
discussion
about
the
development
agreement
pertains
to
the
our
proposed
project
called
some
of
the
Coates
run
from
our
last
meeting.
I
took
a
few
notes
with
my
associate
Chris
here,
and
we
have
this
package,
which
is
in
draft
form
we're
going
to
ask
for
it
back
you're
welcome
to
look
through
it.
N
N
N
N
N
We
will
need
some
easements
for
water
line
extension,
which
will
come
up
through
Blackburn
Road
across
what
will
be
the
stagecoach
intersection
come
across
some
private
property
and
across
the
Ohio
University
property
will
tie
into
our
site
and
loop
back
down
to
Richland
Avenue
tie
in
underneath
to
the
courtyard
site
will
enable
the
city
to
remove
a
booster
pump,
which
would
be
like
a
benefit
through
the
city.
It
will
allow
the
city
and
us
to
tie
into
the
carriage
Hill
project
and
their
their
water
line,
which
would
take
a
booster
pump
off
line.
N
N
The
we
have
an
extensive
amount
of
information,
that's
available
with
with
regard
to
slope
stability.
This
has
been
a
topic
of
discussion
from
the
time
we
got
involved
with
this
project
and
currently
I'll
say
that
the
site
plan
that
we
have
now
has
been
through.
We've
done
extensive,
an
extensive
amount
of
soil
borings.
The
site
that
we
have
located
now
is
on
rock,
that
is
as
stable
as
anything
I've
been
ever
been
involved
with.
N
We
were
cut
down
to
sandstone
as
what
it
is,
and
the
typical
component
of
the
unstable
soil
conditions
in
the
Athens
area
is
involved
with
shale,
so
we've
hired
psi
soil
engineers
and
they
have
geotechnical
reports
here
which
are
available.
We
will
of
course
go
through
and
meet
with
the
city.
Engineering
firm
urges
an
eyeful.
There
are
codes
that
we
must
comply
with.
We
will
comply
with
this.
This
is
good
soil.
When
you
mashin
ate
it
and
work
it
in
with
the
shale,
it
becomes
a
very
stable
building
material.
N
Storm
sewer
engineering,
we
have
detention
ponds
that
are
designed
on
the
site.
Now
that
will
maintain
the
water
in
a
condition
that
is
better
than
the
existing
condition.
The
existing
site
has
run
off
as
erosion
goes
down.
We
will,
when
you
go
build
the
site
will
contain
all
of
our
site.
All
of
our
water
on
site
can
be
detained
according
to
100-year
flood
rules,
we'll
go
through
an
approval
process
with
the
Ohio
EPA,
which
is
by
the
way
standard
and
the
runoff
that
we
have
will
be
more
suitable
than
what
we
have
in
the
condition.
N
Bouncing
around
here
a
little
bit,
we
do
have
a
an
access
down
to
dairy
lane.
This
will
be
for
emergency
access.
Only
it's
considered
a
secondary
access
and
mentioned
previously
that
the
local
emergency
service
of
groups
of
fire
chief
has
requested
this,
and
so
we
now
have
it
as
part
of
our
project.
Previously
there
was
a
plan
that
that
called
and
that
this
would
be
gated
lockable
and
not
for
day-to-day
use
and
for
emergency
use.
Only
the
university
has
requested
that
they
have
a
secondary
access.
Also,
they
have
323
acres
next
door
to
us.
N
N
N
We
think
it
will
be
something
that
the
city
can
use
soil
for
your
projects
and,
in
addition
to
the
things
that
we
have
stated
here,
repair
and
our
and
our
development
agreement.
We
think
that
we're
tempted
to
come
forth
to
try
and
work
with
you
folks
to
provide
a
project
that
that
is
cooperative
and
as
beneficial
as
it
can
be
in
in
the
process.
I
might
also
mention
that
we,
you
know
the
site
is
exec
r3.
N
We
think
that
the
project
that
we
have
here,
which
is
258
units,
it's
eight
hundred
and
eighty
two
beds,
but
the
r3
zoning-
will
allow
us
to
put
on
eleven
hundred
and
twenty
five
units
which,
if
we
build
it
the
way
we
would
that
be
three
thousand
beds.
That's
not
what
we're
gonna
do.
That's
not
what
we've
asked
to
do,
but
we
think
that
what
we
have
here
is
a
compromise
that
is
worth
pursuing
for
you,
folks.
N
C
The
development
agreement
looks
pretty
much
the
same
as
the
dress
that
you
presented
to
us
when
you
were
here
previously
and
I
have
a
couple
things
there
and
then
want
to
open
that
up
to
other
members
of
council
first
and
then
to
the
community.
First
of
all,
in
C
Section,
C
1,
you
say
that
the
agreement
will
be
binding
once
the
PUD
is
approved
by
the
Planning,
Commission
and
council.
My
first
question
is
what
what
benefit
you
see
in
entering
into
a
development
agreement?
N
Think,
generally,
it's
that
we're
trying
to
come
forth
and
and
share
our
ideas
with
you
to
get
feedback
so
that
we
can
have
something.
That's
got
some
give-and-take
between
all
of
us
and
hopefully
have
a
document
that
will
be
suitable.
That's
where
we
can
have
some
sense
of
fairness
in
terms
of
our
compromise
and
yours
as
well.
So
that's
that's
the
idea.
That's.
O
C
L
C
C
C
N
N
We
have
to
have
sign
offs
on
those
documents
which
will
include
sanitary,
stone,
water
erosion
control.
We
have
to
have
EPA
permits.
We
will
have
some
review
process
with
probably
the
Army
Corps
of
engineer
regarding
the
coach
run,
there's
an
extensive
amount
of
submissions
and
processes
that
we
go
through,
all
of
which
need
to
be
signed
off
upon
before
we
begin
the
process.
Okay,.
C
We
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
last
week
and
I've
heard
some
people
kinda
commenting
on
this
particular
part
of
the
development
agreement
that
refers
to
the
developers,
relationship
with
Ohio,
University
and
I
think
that
I
would
be
a
lot
more
comfortable
if
we're
talking
about
a
development
agreement,
if
it
details
the
relationship
between
the
developer
in
the
city
and
that
the
relationship
between
the
developer
and
Ohio
University
be
spelled
out
separately
and
not
in
because
it
doesn't
seem
related
to
me
to
the
agreement
that
we're
working
on.
I.
N
We
yes
I,
hear
you,
and
maybe
my
wording
is
needs
to
be
amended
here,
but
in
fact
we
will
have
a
development
agreement
with
Ohio
University
and
we
will
have
one
with
the
city
of
Athens.
This
is
just
my
attempt
to
be
open
and
if
you
will
yeah
open
about,
what's
going
on
with
your
neighbors
I
mean
know
how
University
is
its
own
entity
and
you
folks
have
your
own
opinions
about
that.
We're
going
to
just.
C
M
Really
want
a
bunch
of
dirt
hauling
on
Richland,
Avenue,
dairy
lane
or
upset
route
682.
There
are
only
a
few
adjacent
properties
on
them
is
devoid
of
buildings.
So
it's
you
know.
How
can
they
promise?
We
won't
use
your
roads
unless
there
is
an
agreement
with
the
adjoining
property
owner.
It's
just
recognizing
the
reality.
P
N
F
N
What
we're
asking
for,
we
intend
will
and
ten
I
don't
have
it
spelled
out
tonight
that
will
phase
this
and
we'll
have
us
it'll
be
substantially
awaited.
We'll
have
a
large
number
of
bedrooms
in
the
first
phase
will
build
a
community
facility
which
will
be
very
nice.
The
idea
when
we
develop
community
facilities
is
that
we
could
create
a.
N
Facility
that
allows
our
residents
to
stay
on
site
use
our
private
facilities
if
they
choose
to
and
be
part
of
a
community,
which
is
something
that
creates
a
healthy
environment
for
the
people
living
there,
we
could
call
it
a
community.
We
intend
to
do
that.
We've
been
successful,
the
passive,
creating
those
kinds
of
environments.
E
N
Cases
at
12%
grade
the
turning
radius
on
this
road
down
at
Richland
Avenue,
which
I'm
gonna
call
our
front
door,
is
a
little
softer
than
the
project
across
the
street.
I'll
say
that
in
the
discussion
here
had
lots
of
comments
about
the
courtyard
some
mixed
messages
in
terms
not
mixed
messages.
Actually
some
concerns
about
how
is
developed.
N
We
are
we've
heard
that
I've
repeatedly
told
our
team
that
we
want
to
be
sensitive
to
those
kinds
of
comments
and
see
if
we
can't
do
better
the
projects
we've
built
in
Columbus.
Some
of
some
people
have
seen
we're
big
believers
and
having
a
friendly
streetscape.
It's
not
only
good
for
our
project,
it's
good
for
the
community
so
that,
when
folks
drive
by,
they
can
drive
by
and
say
those
folks
did
a
nice
job.
They
they
maintain
their
landscaping,
the
engineer
just
site
properly.
They
have
a
nice
signage.
E
And
I
see
part
of
the
section,
I
guess
14
page
14,
it's
got
talked
about
320
cubic
yards
of
dirt,
yes
and
ninety
thousand
of
its
gonna
stay
on
site,
correct
and
the
map
and
Exhibit
B
shows
where
the
other
230
you're
gonna
end
up.
Is
that
what
I'm?
Looking
at,
let
me
get
Exhibit
B
is
coming
pages
behind.
No,
it's
probably
an
app
system.
N
The
the
existing-
yes,
that's
generic,
but
although
this
is
an
engineered
document,
what
this
exhibit
B
does
is
it
acknowledges
the
existing
stream
and
that
cross-hatched
section
we
put
this
on
here,
because
a
previous
concept
AB
fill
in
the
stream
area,
which
we
didn't
think
was
a
good
thing,
and
so
the
fill
placement
will
be
in
that
front
section
of
the
University
property.
Okay,.
Q
E
E
N
N
C
B
N
N
B
N
B
N
We
will
maintain
a
buffer
along
the
property
lines.
Here
we
will.
We
are
there's
relatively
little-
grading
that's
going
on
next
to
the
property
here.
Our
met
with
several
folks
I
think
there's
some
further
discussion
that
will
be
required
between
us
and
them,
but
plantings
fencing
those
kinds
of
things.
N
F
G
Kind
of
a
general
question
did
the
proposed
water
line.
Isn't
following
it,
the
tract
I
thought
it
would
I
guess
I
always
assumed
it
would
follow
the
road
and
come
around
that
way.
So
we're
cutting
across
this
property
here
and
in
the
agreement
it
says
we
would.
We
would
provide
easements
through
that
property.
How
difficult
is
it
to
develop
easements
through
private
property,
I,
don't
know
well.
M
We
would
have
to.
We
have
two
options
here,
with
a
preferred
option
is
if
we
have
an
exhibit
Ain
an
existing
roadway
to
come
in
through
that
way,
because
then
that
would
allow
potential
of
future
development
on
that
roadway.
So
we,
but
we
do
not
obtain
that.
Then
we
would
have
to
go
on
down
Blackburn
enough.
C
D
I'm
gonna
address
my
question
to
the
representative
from
the
dead
words
community
yeah.
First
of
all,
with
a
little
background
in
I've
had
an
education
and
experience
in
planning.
I
can
appreciate
your
forthrightness
and
you
know
I'm
not
just
I'm
impressed
in
this
far
himself,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
if
there
would
be
a
copy
of
this
proposal
available
to
the
community
at
the
library.
N
D
C
C
C
Do
you
are
there
things
in
the
development
agreement
that
you
need
to?
Are
there
any
changes
you
want
to
talk
to
the
administration
about?
Does
the
development
agreement
look
acceptable?
The
way
it
is
I
still
have
some
question
about
the
university
being
in
the
city
and
developer
agreements.
But
what
do
other
people
think
there's
been
no.
J
Comment
about
the
issue
of
them
conflict
of
interest,
but
I
vote
for
the
university
parties
in
it.
I.
J
G
Question
it
says
that
we'll
reimburse
the
developer
for
the
water
line,
work
with
forgiveness,
taffies
up
to
whatever
point
that
takes
us
and
then
repayment
from
the
TIF
funds,
and
when
funds
are
available
and
I
assume
that
there's
language
in
there
that
would
be
developed
at
such-and-such
a
ring.
None,
not
one
lump
sum
right
when
that
comes
available.
F
M
Only
getting
to
to
the
property
and
that's
where
we've
qualified
it
from
the
standpoint.
We
want
some
developer
to
upfront,
those
costs
that
if
they
then
you
know
for
building-
and
we
can
give
some
credits
of
tax-
you
know
tap
fees
and
then,
if
we're
successful
in
having
a
TIF
agreement
with
the
city
school
system,
then
that
would
be
once
those
funds
are
start
being
paid.
Ie
property
taxes
are
being
paid
by
the
developer.
Then
we
could
reimburse
the
balance
of
that
and
we
could
do
once.
M
M
M
B
F
M
J
E
E
C
N
M
M
Word
in
such
a
way
that
the
actual
expenses
is
there
and
it's
upfront
and
advanced
by
the
developer,
so
that
there's
no
interest
cost
or
anything
to
us.
He
has
a
way
of
recoup,
recouping
that,
in
essence,
from
the
TIF
and
from
the
tap
fees,
rather
than
from
increased
rents
to
its
occupants,
he's
gonna
get
it
back
one
way
or
the
other,
but.
J
C
M
M
But
at
that
point
in
time
you
know
all
we're
talking
about
is
the
ability,
a
dense
line
if
he
built
a
12-inch
one
from
a
sewer
standpoint,
so
that
really
the
cost
of
construction
or
only
material
related,
and
we
didn't
think
it
was
substantial
enough,
at
least
that's
my
negotiation
position.
Do
you
like
to
have
it
that's
great
way,
not
especially
not
terribly
so.
J
M
My
way
of
thinking
Nancy's
the
way
I
want
to
structure
the
TIF
agreement
is
that
from
the
developers
perspective,
you
can
give
money
faster
from
the
tap
fees
of
one
than
from
the
TIF
which,
because
that
occurs
after
the
project
is
built
in
normal
course
of
events
of
paying
property
taxes.
That
doesn't
mean
the
city
can't
get
reimbursed
the
water
typical
wiretap
fees
from
the
tip
and
put
it
back
into
the
waterfront.
M
C
M
Because
what
the
tip
is
is
it
is
an
agreement
between
the
city
school
system
in
the
city
of
Athens
and
then
that
we
spell
out
what
the
area
is,
what
the
projects
will
be,
because
the
projects
are
infrastructure
related
or,
and
we
can
do
as
we
did
on
East,
8th,
Street,
some
degree
of
landscaping
etc,
but
our
ideas.
First
we
get
that
road,
water
and
sewer
line.
Then
in
future
years
we
also
need
to
upgrade
stormwater
drainage
on
Richland
Avenue.
M
J
C
M
Really
creating
an
improvement
to
infrastructure
that
will
benefit
the
Richland
Avenue
corridor,
which
is
primarily
Richland
Avenue,
but
also
the
tie-ins
to
that,
because
if
you
put
800
some
bedrooms
here
and
if
there's
any
other
future
development,
businesses
and
stuffs
that
are
located
on
Richmond
Avenue
or
to
attract
others.
To
that,
you
want
to
improve
your
your
infrastructure,
because
we
know
that
the
water
in
the
sewer
in
this
area
of
town
is
some
of
the
oldest
that
we
have.
We
inherited
much
of
it
from
when
we
annexed
in
the
1950s
mechanicsburg.
J
Compared
but.
J
M
J
You're
speaking
to
the
choir
on
that
one,
okay,
so
I'm
just
before
Paul's,
probably
just
dying
to
talk
but
I,
could
ask
one
more
question:
okay!
What
about
him?
What
about
people
who
wonder
about
the
slippery
slope
of
using
a
TIF
for
student
housing?
You
know
to
benefit
the
largest
non
tax.
Paying
entity
in
the
town.
I
mean
there's
the
heart.
There's
a
punch
in
the
stomach
type
of
question
for
you,
but
I
mean
that's
a
Syria
that
says
type
of
stuff
that
people
ask
in
this
town.
Well,.
M
K
L
M
That
is
okay.
We
could
supply
this
development
with
water
from
Richland
Avenue.
It
would
require
up
station.
Just
like
you
have
a
carriage
hill,
just
like
we
have
at
University
courtyard,
but
what
we
have
is,
overall,
as
a
community
in
this
area
is
blackburn
tower
out
sitting
out
there
with
its
capacity
that
doesn't
turn
over
and
the
recommended
48
hours.
That
EPA
would
like
to
see
it.
J
M
Give
us
backup,
pumps
and
everything
else
water
lines
for
our
benefit.
We,
the
developer,
could
probably
spend
what
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
put
a
pump
station
at
the
bottom
of
the
hill.
That's
right
and
do
it
otherwise,
but
it
stays
probably
going
to
spend
six
hundred
thousand
and
the
differences
in
that
is
yeah.
We're
gonna
reimbursing
that
roster
the
chance.
J
J
M
C
Maybe
this
is
something
that
I
could
get
some
information
for
all
members
of
council,
because
most
of
us
on
here
haven't
dealt
directly
with
the
creation
of
a
tip,
so
I'll
just
try
to
get
some
background
information
to
people
so
that
we
can
dig
into
this
a
little
bit
before.
We
have
to
consider
it
I.
E
M
All
right
that
was
originally
put
in
because
the
one
of
the
options
that
we
were
looking
at
at
the
beginning
of
this
was
instead
of
running
the
water
line
up
Blackburn
Road
and
over
through
was
to
run
it
in
front
of
Kimes
and
over
to
the
project
area.
It
would
still
work,
gravity
lead
wise,
but
it
was
using
o
dot
right
away.
N
A
M
E
M
M
Only
answer
to
some
of
the
things
what
I
think
might
be
beneficial
to
the
University
and
my
discussion
is
worth
and
then
another
Kurt
could
add
to
that.
If
he
wishes
as
Nancy
and
others
have
said
in
the
past,
there
is
a
composting
facility
that
the
university
has
here.
There
is
a
desire
on
the
universities
for
art
to
put
a
lot
of
their
nursery
functions
there.
You
have
three
hundred
and
twenty-two
acres
of
land
that
the
nearest
water
line
is
a
six-inch.
That's
going
down,
Blackburn
Road,
there's
no
sewer
service
to
that
323
acres.
M
So
it
raises
the
potential
from
the
University
standpoint
of
how
you
notices
if
one
of
the
community
concerns
that
I
hear
is
where's
the
land
of
the
University,
where
they
going
to
expand
in
the
future
where
they
want
to
put
anything
and
what
we're
saying
if
we
can
get
this
roadway
with
water
and
sewer
some
portion
of
that
322
acres
is
potentially
available
to
university
to
do
primarily
ancillary
services
or
even
potentially,
housing,
etc.
That's
up
to
them.
M
What
I'm
saying
as
a
as
a
community
leader
is
that
here
is
an
opportunity
for
us
to
develop
roadway
water
and
sewer
and
stormwater
through
an
area
of
the
community
that
has
already
had
you
know,
questions
raised
to
it
on
a
couple
of
issues.
One
is
you
know
with
the
campus
of
the
University
and
the
services
they
offer.
The
other
is
we've
been
getting
as
a
community
4,400
students
the
last
couple
years
or
thereabouts.
M
They've
got
an
81
percent
retention
rate,
I'd
hate
to
think
what
an
85
would
do
to
our
housing
stock
if
they
are
continuing
along
that
course,
and
I've
got
people
with
at
the
state
legislature
and
in
state
governments
that
are
saying
education,
especially
higher
education,
is
the
key
to
the
economic
future
of
of
Ohio.
Okay.
Well,
one
of
the
main
universities
in
Ohio.
Is
that
mean
they're
going
to
be
bringing
more
students
here
where
we're
going
to
housing?
And
so
where
is
the
vacant?
Land
I?
Don't
want
more
houses
converted.
E
M
M
E
F
E
M
M
One
of
the
options:
yes,
you
could,
if
you
created
an
entire
loop,
going
down,
Elliott's
ville
and
coming
back
into
Derry
lane
to
get
to
the
same
property,
it's
more
expensive
because
there's
more
feet
involved
with
it,
but
you
also
again
look
at
potentiality
of
is:
do
you
increase
it
part
of
the
problem
there?
Some
of
that
area
is
served
by
the
city
and
some
of
that
areas
served
by
Lee
axe.
So
we
might
just
be
running
concurrent
lines,
part
of
the
way.
Okay,.
C
F
G
A
M
C
E
C
F
O
O
O
O
I'm
assured,
by
both
the
mayor's
office
in
the
code
office
that
there
won't
be
any
problem
with
setbacks
or
distances
from
boundary
lines.
That
type
of
thing
I
just
would
pledge
to
you
that
I
will
do
everything
that
I
could
do
to
minimize
any
impacts.
Mostly,
they
would
be
visual
I
think
whether
those
impacts
are
perceived
or
real
I
would
work
to
minimize
those
and.
O
M
Mr.
Kincaid
just
had
asked
me
to
explain
some
of
the
thinking
of
the
Planning
Commission
on
this
one
as
we,
when
you
look
at
the
the
pile
of
the
survey
and
envision
Carroll
Road
they're,
primarily
off
to
the
left
in
that
general
area,
from
where
mr.
Kincaid
property
is
a
lot
of
it.
Was
the
old
house
trailer
trailer
park
owned
by
the
Brooks's,
which
was
we
had
the
roadway
between
there
and
on
Carroll
Road,
and
that
was
the
only
part
that
was
actually
in
the
city
cuz.
We
didn't
want
the
trailers
in
the
city.
M
Well,
after
that
was
sold
off
and
everything
was
abandoned.
There
were
a
serious
segments
of
the
subdivision
areas
that
happened,
that
a
number
of
different
houses
got
built.
I
think
Carol
Road
still
goes
pretty
well
straight
there
at
the
bottom.
Here,
if
I
were
to
call
mr.
Kincaid
and
I.
Think
there's
another
house
in
through
here
isn't
yeah.
M
This
lot
was
sort
of
created
with
a
minimum
width
that
goes
back
through,
and
then
it
creates
this.
Nearly
two
acre
parcel
of
which
one
house
currently
is
our
concern,
was
if
the
property
owner
wants
to
utilize
their
land
more
efficiently.
We
did
not
want
to
create
two
driveways
in
that
narrow
corridor
property
going
back,
so
we
determined
that
they're
requested
of
him
to
write
a
permanent
easement
for
egress.
M
That
would
be
a
30
foot,
wide
joint
maintenance
agreements
etc,
or
as
long
as
they
were
together,
so
that
we
would
not
increase
the
number
of
driveways
on
Carroll.
Road
can't
really
really
look
at
it:
two
houses
as
to
how
many
Road
re
vehicles,
because
you
could
have
empty
nesters
in
one
and
the
other,
has
five
teenage
boys.
You
know
you.
M
O
Yes,
Debbie
I
might
just
you
know:
I
had
a
one.
What
the
mayor
said,
I
mean
knew
he
would
be
another
house,
the
area,
if
my
intent
would
be
to
put
another
house
in
here
the
the
initial
thinking
on
the
Lots,
but
for
me,
was
to
possibly
do
that.
For
my
parents
they
were
elderly.
They
live
in
Columbus,
but
you
know,
however,
that
works
out.
R
O
O
O
It's
not
even
less
from
what
Steve
Pearson
told
me
right
across
the
street.
From
that
there's
a
lot
of
our
house
is
gonna,
be
built.
There
was
another
house
built
there
beside
that
one
two
doors
down
was
another
Newhouse
Hall
built
within
the
last
six
to
eight
months.
I
fall
an
old
coach
one
block
from
where
I
live.
There's
five
houses
have
gone
in
there
in
the
last
three
years,
essentially
where
the
PIRs
woods.
C
I,
don't
I,
don't
think
that
visual
is
the
only
issue
we're
talking
about
here,
we're
talking
about
creating
a
lot
that
doesn't
have
road
frontage
and
we're
talking
about
the
kind
of
flagpole
lot
shape.
It
I
think
planners
generally
try
to
avoid,
in
addition
to
the
fact
that
I
mean
it
looks
like
this
driveway
would
be
immediately
adjacent
to
the
other
property
owners.
House
may
I
think
there
are
a
number
of
planning
issues
here
and
not
not
just
visual
issues
that
we're
talking
about
yeah.
J
We
could
add
to
that
the
fact
that
many
of
us
live
in
similar
environments
and
we
hope
against
hope
that
the
people
that
live
by
us
don't
plan
to
do
the
same
thing.
I
mean
the
gully
by
my
house
could
become
someone's
house
if
this
starts
to
be
something
that
people
do
as
a
regular
matter
where
we
have
the
people
along
the
top
owning
certain
amounts,
and
then
the
Gauley
could
be
the
place
where
the
next
house
goes.
So
frankly,
I've
heard
comments
about
the
one
other
place.
J
J
Q
C
F
G
Oh,
you
raised
the
question
in
which
I've
been
flipping
back
and
forth.
It
looks
as
though
the
right-of-way
is
immediately
adjacent
to
the
existing
house
and
I.
O
C
O
B
G
B
O
B
Q
O
C
C
P
Evening,
my
name
is
Patricia
Cambridge
and
I
live
at
291,
Carroll
Road
and,
although
it
may
seem
as
though
I'm
two
doors
away,
I
am
also
an
adjacent
property
owner.
Because
of
the
strange
configuration
of
these
Lots
and
I
did
bring
a
copy
of
that
I
made
for
myself
of
the
plat
map,
because
I
wanted
to
see
exactly
where
the
properties.
P
Write
down
Carroll
Road,
the
it
would
seem
as
though,
as
we've
got
parallel
Lots,
because
the
houses
look
kind
of
parallel
to
one
another.
However,
my
lot
is
an
odd
shaped
block
as
well.
I
have
an
acre,
but
it's
actually
at
an
angle
to
my
house,
so
actually
from
my
house
when
I
look
out
into
my
backyard,
I
would
be
looking
at
this
proposed
development
here.
I
want
to
preface
what
I'm
saying
by
saying.
I
am
NOT
opposed
to
new
construction.
P
So
this
is
not
a
knee-jerk
reaction
here,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I've
been
very
pleased
with
all
of
the
new
construction
and
Carroll
Road
and
old
coach
just
around
the
corner,
because
I
think
they
have
added
value
to
the
properties
of
those
of
us
who
live
there,
but
here
we're
talking
about
something
that
actually
would
take
away
value.
We're
talking
about
a
situation
where
someone
is
asking
permission
to
do
something
that
would
actually
be
value,
my
property.
So
first
we
have
a
problem
here.
P
The
fact
that
there
is
privacy
at
the
back
so
we're
within
the
city
we're
in
a
neighborhood.
We
have
neighbors,
but
we
have
privacy.
We
have
green
space,
and
so
that's
the
first
issue
here,
it's
a
very
steep
slope,
so
any
kind
of
development
to
put
any
kind
of
building
there
would
require
a
lot
of
I'm.
Not
an
engineer.
I,
don't
know
how
this
stuff
works,
but
obviously
a
lot
would
have
to
be
done
with
that
land.
There's
a
pond
right
there.
P
You
know
so
we're
talking
about
a
situation
where
my
property
can
be
impacted,
adversely
in
terms
of
any
drainage
or
anything
else
with
the
development.
That's
going
on
there,
so
you
know
the
three
well
I
guess
the
former
main
concerns
I
have
are
the
impact
to
the
value
of
my
property,
the
negative
impact,
the
negative
impact
on
the
beauty
of
my
property,
negative
impact
on
my
privacy
and
the
negative
impact
on
any
drainage
or
anything
else
to
do
with
my
land.
Mr.
P
Kincaid
referred
about
the
refer
to
the
new
construction
that
he
says
is
in
front
of
him.
That's
probably
I
guess
maybe
297.
He
hasn't
been
here
long
enough,
maybe
to
know
that
that
house
is
actually
replacing
a
house
that
was
already
on
that
lot.
So
it's
not
unusual
for
a
house
to
be
there.
There
was
always
a
house
there
as
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
it
was
the
original
house.
It
was
the
farm
house
for
all
that
property
there
that
we
are
on.
P
It's
also
rather
interesting
that
mr.
Kincaid
was
able
to
go
as
far
as
Canterbury
to
talk
to
people
to
find
how
they
were
impacted
by
such
strange
construction.
In
the
past
he
had
to
drive
past
or
walk
past
his
neighbor's
to
do
that.
I.
Never
once
you
know
said
anything
to
the
people
who
would
be
directly
affected.
This
is
the
first
time
I'm,
really
seeing
what
mr.
Kincaid
looks
like
so
with
all
of
that
said,
I
would
hope
that
the
council
would
vote
against
such
construction.
Thank
you
and.
H
K
Enjoy
your
rap
I
live
on
Long
View
Heights.
This
he's
the
property
room
at
the
back
of
mr.
Kincaid's
house.
I
can
see
from
the
back
of
my
house
there's
it's
just
woods
and
natural
habitat.
It's
extensively.
Deer
hunted
in
that
area.
I
was
very
much
in
shock
when
I
heard
that
this
was
in
a
plan,
because
I
thought
what
a
strange
place
for
a
house
so
I
just
said.
K
Well,
I
can't
just
base
it
on
not
wanting
to
see
that
in
the
woods
so
I
drove
over
there
and
I
as
I
drove
down
his
driveway
I
thought
I'd
be
able
to
look
in
this
backyard
and
see
if
it
was
appropriate
or
not
to
build
a
house
there
and
I
thought
well
I'm.
This
must
not
be
the
property,
because
there's
no
place
here
to
put
a
driveway,
let
alone
be
able
to
see
this
piece
of
property
and
then
I
found
out
that.
K
C
D
Gregg
brought
hers,
Granville
Avenue,
just
as
I'm
listening
intently
to
this
discussion
about
this
particular
project.
It
occurs
to
me
that
this
could
be
a
precedent,
for
that
would
actually
encourage
the
the
Athens
version
of
mountaintop
removal.
You
understand
I'm
saying
and
are
the
water.
The
biggest
question
is
other
watershed.
Issues
answered
in
in
regards
to
this
application.
I
haven't
walked
it.
D
You
know
and
walk
the
aisle
and
myself,
but
it's
a
question
that
I
believe
needs
to
be
answered,
because
what
was
spoken
about
in
terms
of
the
values
that
are
impacted
by
a
such
a
project
were
are
there's
there's
some
great
issues
having
to
do.
It
obviously,
is
early
that
we
have
to
do
with
drainage
and
the
nature
of
the
soils
in
which
that
project
would
be
built
upon.
So
I
think
those
questions
need
to
be
answered
before
anything
goes
forward.
Thank
you.
G
I
C
Not
to
be
following
any
of
the
planning
principles
that
we've
I
think
have
been
working
to
try
to
to
implement
I.
Also,
this
is
the
first
I
heard
of
the
pond
and
I
know
there
have
been
issues
previously
with
swales
for
a
storm
water
detention
in
that
development
that
have
been
taken
out
when
they
were
indeed
restricted
to
to
remain
there.
That.
G
J
J
F
A
A
If
we
see
I'm
not
seeing
one
positive
vote,
if
I'm
reading
the
nods
of
the
heads
correctly,
but
you
know
it's
totally
up
to
any
member
of
Council
that
wants
to
fight
it
through
and
bring
it
out,
but
let's
not
make
a
mistake
here:
we've
never
worked
under
the
assumption.
The
two
people
on
a
committee
can
either
box
something
up
or
allow
it
now.
That's
the
only
thing
I
wanted
them
well,.
C
We
recently
had
someone
come
back
to
us
and
say
you
had
a
Planning
Commission
recommendation
that
you
did
nothing
with
a
couple
years
ago
and
it
just
hung
there
and
it's
in
this
strange
limbo.
So
what's
the
status
so
I
guess
I'm
inclined
to
go
along
with
Jim
and
say
we
should
bring
it
out
and
vote
on
it
and
get
it
done.
I
F
C
Q
Name
is
Lance,
wrap
and
purpose
for
tonight
is
recently.
We
went
through
the
planning
information
and
our
last
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
we
needed
to
amend
our
original
plot
that
was
done
in
2001
I
think
it
was,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
one
of
the
roads
on
their
Altamont
terrorists
yeah
after
we
got
into
a
found,
it
wasn't
safe
to
be
built.
The
way
it
was
drawn
on
the
plat.
Q
Q
So
if
I
understand
the
procedure
right
from
the
Planning
Commission
meeting
before
they
can
accept
the
amended
plat
that
we
have
a
forum
and
with
some
minor
changes
that
they
asked
me
to
make
they're
ready
to
do,
but
they
cannot
do
that,
while
the
original
plot
is
still
in
the
original
shape
that
shows
those
several
roads
on
there.
So
we're
asking
and
Thurs
roads
be
vacated
so
that
we
can
fall
right
into
the
next
Planning
Commission
meeting
with
the
amendment
plat.
Q
C
My
understanding
of
the
reason
for
this
request
is
a
little
bit
different
than
that.
My
understanding
is
that
the
Planning
Commission
wanted
the
bonds
that
are
supposed
to
be
in
place
because
roads
to
be
in
place
before
agreeing
to
Platt
Amendment
and
that
the
reason
for
requesting
vacation
was
to
not
have
to
put
those
bonds
in
place
now.
Yes,.
Q
That's
correct:
that's
just
for
stone,
Ridge
and
Greenview
and
I
said.
That's.
Why
I
said
we're
not
prepared
to
build
these
no
way
down
the
road,
so
there's
no
use
putting
them
on,
apply
it
and
bonding
them
for
something
that's
probably
five
or
six
years
down
the
road.
The
optimum
Drive
issue
was
the
road
that
is
a
safety
concern
that
has
to
be
moved
so
and
it.
C
C
My
main
question
for
mr.
Holmes,
when
we
met,
was
to
find
out
from
the
the
mayor
and
or
the
fire
chief
about
whether
the
road
that
connects
down
to
Armitage
Road
was
considered
a
secondary
access,
because
I,
don't
think
the
Planning
Commission
would
have
a
or
council
would
have
approved
a
subdivision
that
had
a
long
cul-de-sac
without
a
secondary
access
and
so
I
think
that
that
road
serves
a
public
function.
I
think
that's
why
it's
on
the
map
so
have
you
spoken
with
the
fire
chief
or
the
mayor
about
that?
We've.
Q
That
will
still
remain
that
gravel
road
because
that
that's
the
road
we're
using
to
come
up
over
the
hill
if
they
have
the
equipment
and
concrete
trucks
and
stuff
so
the
position
you
know
it
will
be
gravel
so
that,
yes,
there
is
access
to
it,
but
as
far
as
the
developing
that
road,
you
know
that
was
originally
one
of
the
last
roads
to
be
done.
Anyways.
C
But
they
I
guess
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
with
that
is:
I
think
that
when
the
subdivision
was
approved,
the
roads
were
part
of
what
was
approved
and
I
I
can't
imagine
that
the
Planning
Commission
would
have
recommended
a
big
development
with
a
long
co2
sack
I
think
that
there
need
to
be
two
entrances
and
that
that
must
have
been
important
to
the
approval
process.
I
asked
the
mayor
if
he
talked
people
able
to
share
his
views
on
this,
but
he's
not
in
the
room
at
the
moment.
C
F
G
C
Q
E
E
E
Okay,
so
this
will
extend
the
cul-de-sac
that
will
make
this
entire
area
correct
and
there.
B
C
B
G
F
C
Q
C
C
M
E
We're
talking
about
eliminating
rows,
putting
it
back,
and
this
is
part
of
the
final
plant-
that's
not
under
the
rationale
I'm
seeing
here
it's
because
we
want
to
save
money
on
bonds
or
the
engineering
was
before.
So
we
have
to
move
the
road
over
because
we
didn't
do
the
engineering
before
we
did
the
final
plan.
M
J
M
M
Q
F
Q
Replant
the
Altamont
Drive
okay,
that
process
will
eventually
tie
into
the
new
Stone
Ridge.
It
will
build
in
the
future
so
that
configuration
will
change
there.
The
green
view,
part
the
mirrors
right
is:
is
a
dollars
and
cents
issue
not
wanting
to
bond
the
road.
That's
probably
not
going
to
be
built
for
five
or
six
years
that
you
know
we're
not
building
on
anyways.
So.
E
J
J
B
There
are
other
roads
out
there.
Where
are
they
I
mean
there
were
their
houses.
F
J
J
J
F
G
G
The
twos
are
going
to
be.
We
designed
we
located
I,
don't
think
we
should
release
the
one
going
uphill
because
we
have
already
bad
experiences
with
cul-de-sac
supporters
they
be
long
or
short,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
way
to
get
access,
not
only
emergency
access
but
of
access
just
for
people
in
and
out
and.
C
B
C
I
guess
for
myself,
Altamont
there's
a
road
there
that
has
been
built
and
there's
a
bond
on
it.
I'd
like
to
see
us
have
the
right-of-way
for
that
I,
don't
know
about
how
it
works
in
terms
of
the
the
process
in
time
with
getting
the
road
the
existing
Road
plotted
versus
vacating
this
one.
If
there's
some.
M
M
G
F
M
That's
where
then,
and
then
they're
still
going
to
be,
would
have
to
be
replating
of
a
subdivision.
That
exists
was
proved
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
council,
but
that
would
also
tell
us
the
Intel
Council.
When
it
came,
it
came
before
you
what
bond
you
should
be
having
to
require
in
place
before
you
file
the
replanting.
So.
M
G
M
F
G
R
C
C
E
C
F
F
C
Q
G
G
G
J
B
Q
B
B
Q
E
J
R
C
Q
Q
C
B
E
C
C
I
J
F
J
G
G
P
C
Q
C
E
C
C
The
county
engineer,
earth
I
think
worked
up
a
draft
budget
of
what
it
would
take,
and
this
would
probably
be
somewhere
down
the
road
that
the
county
would
be
able
to
look
at
CDBG
funding
for
part
of
the
work,
but
not
for
all
of
it
and
because
of
the
the
fact
it's
in
the
three-mile
area
and
some
problems
that
happened.
The
process
in
dealing
with
the
bond.
The
question
was
asked
whether
we
would
consider
helping
cover
the
costs
of
bringing
this
road
up
to
standard
its
I.
C
C
The
total
estimate
right
now
is
about
$24,000,
there's
they're,
asking
the
county
engineer's
office
to
look
and
see
if
they
have
any
extra
guardrail
around
that
could
be
used
and
things
that
might
be
able
to
help
save
some
money.
So
it's
it's
all
being
discussed,
but
we
don't
have
a
clear
amount
as
far
as
what
we
would
be
asked
for,
but
I
don't
think
it's
gonna
be
a
huge
amount
of
money.
J
C
B
B
Mile
range
in
terms
of
what
our
responsibilities
are,
because
we
have
some
input,
how
I
mean?
How
often
might
we
be
asked
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
fix
something?
That's
totally
messed
up,
because
it
went
through
our
Planning
Commission,
because
it's
in
the
three-mile
limit
and
I
find
that
a
very
frustrating
concept
and
not
a
very
clear
one.
It's.
M
You
know
if
we,
you
know
the
danger
that
you
have
is
that
if
at
some
point
in
time,
if
some
of
this
land,
that's
relatively
close
to
the
city
ever
does
get
annexed,
he
could
have
something
as
to
county
standards
versus
city
standards
since
the
subdivision,
and
is
that
worth
than
the
effort
of
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Council
to
approve
or
not
approve
those
those
subdivisions.
I.
B
M
I,
don't
know
that
there
is
a
legal
basis
for
that
that
it
is
I,
think
your
law
director
would
argue
it.
I,
Debbie
and
I
always
said
at
the
meeting.
Is
we
would
approach
counsel
to
see
if
there
would
be
some,
but
I
was
with
the
proviso
that
the
determination
was
made
of
who
the
proffered
legal
property
owner
this
expense
should
be
borne
by
and
that
the
city
would
build
them
for
it.
M
So
we
qualify
what's
a
bird
essence
alone
or
in
advance,
because
we
feel
that
there
is
some
obligation,
because
people
bought
property
they
built
their
homes.
They've
made
a
big
investment
in
their
lives
there
and
they
relied
upon
us
as
a
government
to
say
if
these
are
gonna
have
roads
and
gonna
have
the
water
and
the
sewer
and
the
storm
drains.
You
know
all
the
other
things
and.
F
M
Just
like
when
we
did,
we
declared
I
it's
been
some
years
ago,
but
it
is
an
example
of
house
I
think
on
Franklin
Street
to
be
condemned.
The
person
didn't
tear
it
down.
We
tore
it
down,
we
added
it
to
the
property
taxes.
Eventually,
when
that
piece
of
property
sold
the
proud
new
buyer
got
a
bill
for
attached
to
the
property
for
about
three
thousand
dollars
of
what
it
was
I
mean.
That's
the
same
concept
that
we
would
have
here
is
at
some
point.
C
So
this
is
probably
something
that
would
come
back
to
us
in
the
spring,
in
the
form
of
you
know
when
we're
looking
at.
You
know
street
budget
issues
that
you
know
we
may
ask
for
us.
You
know
not
a
huge
amount
of
money
to
help
deal
with
this,
but
with
the
intention
to
go
after
the
property
owner
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
creating
any
kind
of
precedent
of
spending
taxpayer
money
outside
the
city.
C
E
I
assume
we're
talking
about
a
portion
of
the
24,000
right
and
sometime.
If
we
do
press
this
approval
process
for
the
money,
can
we
actually
get
a
synopsis
of
how
this
actually
fell
through
the
cracks?
I
mean
it's
very,
very
convoluted,
I
know,
but
just
so
week
invented
from
happening
again,
I'd
like
to
see
I.
Think.
C
M
You
still
get,
the
situation
is
I.
Don't
I
have
not
talked
to
anybody
that
sells
bonds
of
this
nature
and
with
those
kinds
of
language
things
in
there
will
they
write
them.
I
don't
know.
Well
what
requirements
does
a
bank
have
to
write
their
irrevocable
letter
of
credit
in
that
amount
for
the
purchase
of
them
and
is
it
you
know,
don't
know,
and
then,
if
you
get
bankruptcy,
courts
involved
in
everything
else,
I
don't
know
how
far
what
it
is
I
mean.
That's
it's
as
solid
as
we
can
make
it,
but
it's
not
guaranteed
mm-hmm.
E
I
think
you
should
find
in
your
box
a
proposal
made
mention
landscape
ordinance.
This
is
a
this
was
recommended,
actually
a
discussion
of
the
last
thursday's
tree
Commission
and
actually
it's
a
evolution
coming
out
of
where
it
placed
trees.
It's
a
section,
in
addition
to
3703
section
C.
There
is
no
section
C
right
now
and
really
what's
this
asking
for,
is
that
they
submit
plans
for
landscaping.
They
should
also
include
utility
underground
utilities.
E
Most
of
tree
Commission's
are
very
cognizant
to
commissioners,
are
very
cognizant
of
the
telephone,
poles
and
utility
lines,
but
there
has
been
a
case
where
they
they
put
various
trees
down
various
places
to
only
have
for
the
movement
because
they
didn't
know
there
was
storm
sewers
underneath
it
so
they're
just
putting
something
additional
in
saying.
Can
we
have
a
map
approving
with
the
underground,
as
well
as
above-ground
infrastructure,
most
developers,
how
we
have
this
as
one
of
their
leaves
flats?
E
So
it
shouldn't
be
too
much
of
a
burden
for
anybody
coming
from
the
tree
Commission,
but
it
will
make
the
tree
Commission
their
tree.
Commissioners
have
a
better
grasp
of
what
needs
to
be
done.
That's
the
first
section
to
add
that
the
other
one
is
actually
insulation
and
that's
just
a
caveat
tattooed
supposed
to
be
calling
your
hotel
utilities
protection
service.
E
So
you
don't
dig
into
a
power
line
and
that's
just
an
educational
piece
of
legislation
I
put
out
below
the
handout
that
you've
got
also
has
in
very
small
print
cut
and
pasted
of
the
city
code.
Where,
where
would
go
in
second
section,
would
go
in
and
3703
a
which
is
part
of
the
installation
section.
The
other
part
would
just
be
amended
to
below
be,
of
course,
just
another
section
could.
G
I
suggest
it
a
little
bit
of
language
be
put
in
there
to
say
that
when
the
tree
Commission
plants,
public
trees
and
public
right
away
that
they
also
look
at
the
underground
infrastructure.
At
that
point,
because
I
hear
complaints
from
inferences
from
AB
Rios
pre
Pizza
about
a
tree
that
was
planted
right
over
some
kind
of
water
line,
I
think.
E
C
F
C
L
C
E
I
Paul
yeah
I
have
a
question
about
I,
don't
know
chromed
this
and
then
that
to
begin
with,
however,
horses
proud
to
prior
to
the
approval,
the
very
last
line
of
Section
C
I'm,
just
wondering
if
that
language,
to
be
a
little
tighter
as
to
which
departments
actually
need
to
review,
since
it
does
say
prior
to
the
approval,
if
it
should
be
more
specific
as
to
which
departments
need
to
approve
it.
So
one
department
say
we
didn't
see
it
or
the.
E
Lot
of
this
was
put
together
by
Steve,
Pearson
I
was
under
the
impression
he
said
that
there's
a
checkoff
list
for
various
developments
that
almost
all
the
departments
have
to,
and
you
may
correct
me
about
this
Rick,
but
almost
all
the
departments
are
checking
off
on
what
what
is
there
another
which
you
get
it
you
get
developments.
Do
they
you
know
map,
you
know
sure.
E
Yeah
again,
I
think
that's
on
an
administrative
level
and
again
I
think
Steve
was
telling
us
that
it's
being
done
during
a
Planning
Commission
meetings.
Right
now
we
have
mr.
Pearson
attending
and
we
have
Ron
Lucas,
which
I
crossed
represent
two
others.
You
know
two
people
right
there
in
terms
of
two
departments:
right
I'm
assuming
over
energy
water
gets
involved.
One
way,
the
other
we're
covering
streets
at
that
point
and
code.
E
E
Know
all
departments
do
that
or
okay,
no.
M
There's
nothing
in
the
landscaping
ordinance
that
that
triggers
that,
if
they
put
in
some
things
there
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
the
fire
chief
says,
I
can't
return
the
fire
to
record
the
water
people
saying:
wolves
right
there.
Next
to
the
water
line,
there's
no
formal
review,
it's
never
presented,
so
it's
just
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
tree
Commission.
It
goes
to
the
balfour.
He
builds
it
and
all
of
a
sudden
we
find
it.
M
M
Don't
totally
get
we
review
it
technically
because
we're
asked
to
by
the
developer
before
they
do
their
final
plans
to
submit
to
the
state
of
architecture.
They
never
look
at
all
my
landscaping
section
before
they
do
that,
because
that's
where
their
concern
is,
the
landscaping
usually
comes
to
more
toward
the
end
or
as
the
it's
being
gone
through
and.