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A
B
C
It
looks
like
we
have
a
lot
of
things
on
the
agenda,
but
I
think
we're
gonna
went
through
a
couple
of
them
really
quickly.
The
Carroll
Road
minor,
left
split.
The
property
owner
has
again
asked
us
to
remove
it
from
the
agenda.
He
would
like
us
to
discuss
it
on
December
11th,
so
he
can
be
better
prepared
for
our
questions.
Although
there
were
citizens
who
were
planning
to
be
here
this
evening
and
I
hope
that
next
time
we
can
actually
have
the
discussion
instead
of
having
people
have
to
change
their
plans
at
the
last
minute.
C
The
request
to
have
a
revocable
license
for
the
budget
host
sign
people
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
about
that
request.
I'm
willing
to
do
that,
but
I
know
that
Bojinka
is
one
of
the
people
who
really
wanted
to
have
that
discussion
and
I
know
that
there's
now
a
rezoning
request
for
that
area
and
I
think
it
might
be
better
to
just
wait
and
see
what
happens
with
that
rezoning
request,
because
it
may
not
end
up
being
something
we
have
to
discuss.
I
am
in.
B
C
F
C
C
Okay
and
the
third
thing
Shailene
Street
maintenance.
It's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
meeting
tomorrow
with
the
commissioners
and
people
from
the
city
and
possibly
somebody
from
the
township
trustees
to
try
to
talk
through
all
the
jurisdiction
kind
of
issues.
I'm
gonna
try
to
have
attend
that
and
I.
This
is
on
my
calendar.
I
hope
that
I
hope
this
is
really
happening.
I'm,
not
sure
when
it
got
set
up.
C
G
We
have
been
to
many
different
people
trying
to
resolve
this
and
the
last
time
I
spoke
with
the
County
Commissioners.
They
sent
us
to
eat
the
city.
However,
in
the
meantime,
I
pulled
up
the
Athens
County
Regional
Planning
Commission,
with
provisions
and
I
think.
According
to
these
provisions,
they
are
clearly
responsible
for
the
fiasco,
but
I
don't
know.
G
So
when
the
property
was
sold,
that
shows
backin
Spezza
to
Stone
Hill
Ltd
back
in
96,
the
original
Road
bond.
That
was
given
by
Shostak
and
spells
expired
as
it
right
Felicia.
They
didn't
develop
it.
The
Newport,
the
purchaser
Stone
Hill
Ltd,
then
sat
on
the
property
for
a
few
years,
but
then
in
2001
and
I
have
the
deed
history.
G
Now
they
change
the
original
plot
to
what
it
is
now,
all
of
which
had
to
be
approved,
and
then
it
was
subdivided
into
lots
and
recorded
now
the
fact
that
it
was
recorded
without
the
county
or
the
city
or
anyone
requiring
the
bond
or
certifying
that
the
roads
were
acceptable
as
they
were,
which
is
what
was
set
out,
and
these
general
provisions
by
the
County
Planning
Commission,
where
it
says
right
here.
No.
G
Plat
shall
be
approved
for
recording
until
that
the
road
has
met
its
the
requirements
and
it
was
recorded
and
sold
tidal
surge.
When
I
went
to
buy
my
house,
we
did
the
title
search
and
there
was
nothing
that
came
up
on
the
title,
saying
that
there
was
a
problem
or
that
the
road
hadn't
been
completed,
or
that
there
was
a
bond
missing.
We
then
purchased
our
property
until
2003,
so
even
if
you
know
because
the
stone
hill
purchased
it
in
96
did
not
begin
developing
it
until
2001
then
sold
the
Lots
to
Sean
Jones.
G
It
should
have
come
up
before
I
purchased
the
property
in
2003,
so
we
wouldn't
have
ever
closed
on
it
or
we
would
have
looked
into
it
at
that
point,
the
only
thing
we
did
is
we
called
and
we
called
the
recorders
office,
and
we
know
we
asked
a
few
things
and-
and
we
called
I
believe
it
was
the
city
at
that
time.
It
wasn't
not
at
the
county
and
asked
about
the
road,
and
they
said:
oh,
don't
worry
about
it.
G
They
collect
a
road
fund
when
there's
a
new
subdivision
and
that's
as
far
as
our
inquiries
went.
We
believe
them
and
then
after
living
there
and
we
lived
in
in
2003
and
after
living
there
for
a
year
and
listening
to
the
developer,
saying
we'll
do
it
next
year
we
waited,
and
then
we
called
to
find
out
when
the
road
bond
would
kick
in,
and
that
was
what
originally
prompted
our
contacting.
G
H
G
G
Believe
its
16th
yeah,
it
was
February
16th
of
2005,
and
then
mr.
Pierson
said
that
he
would
write
to
mr.
Cassidy
to
try
to
pressure
him
into
completing
the
road.
My
email
or
the
email
from
Steve
Pearson,
read
I
just
spoke
with
mr.
Cassidy
I
believed
him
to
be
a
responsible
developer.
After
our
conversations
there
have
been,
some
legal
prompts
I've
hampered
his
ability
to
fund
the
road
completion.
He
believes
them
soon
too
resolved
I
explained
the
situation
told
him
a
letter
was
coming
and
he
was
completely
agreeable.
G
The
county
planner
has
the
file
at
his
home,
so
when
he
returns,
Tuesday
I'll
get
it
and
start
working
on
the
letter
as
soon
as
it
is
drafted,
I
will
have
the
commissioners
either
sign
it
or
bless
it.
For
my
signature,
I
think
this
will
all
be
resolved
to
your
satisfaction
very
soon.
Well,
that
was
in
2005,
and
now
we
are
18
months
later
and
still
nothing
has
happened
so
we're
back.
G
In
April
of
this
year,
Stone
Hill
Ltd
turned
over
the
deed
for
the
prop
the
undeveloped
portion
of
stone,
Health's
holdings
to
Citizens
Bank
in
lieu
of
foreclosure.
We
did
not
find
out
about
this
until
three
weeks
ago,
although
it
happened
in
April
now,
Stone
Hill
does
not
own
any
of
the
seven
laws
that
are
currently
and
what
they
call
phase.
F
G
You
can't
have
more
than
four
properties
using
a
road
and
call
it
private,
because
our
Road
was
always
intended
to
be
a
road.
It
was
never
intended
to
be
a
driveway.
It
is
plaited
and
recorded
for
seven
separate
Lots
and
currently
has
four
homes
using
the
road
for
access
to
their
homes.
According
to
these
provisions,
that
is
a
road
and
not
a
private
Drive,
which
I
understand
has
been
something
that
has
been
questioned
before,
and
so
this
road
will
needs
to
be
treated
as
a
road,
and
we
know
it
fell
through
the
cracks.
G
C
G
I
G
G
A
G
Foundation
on
the
Left
was
supposed
to
be
townhouses,
Sean
Jones,
built
them
on
3rd
Street,
I.
Think
because
the
developer
took
so
long
to
get
the
Foundation's
in
and
and
so
Sean
John's
went
ahead
and
built
the
townhouses
didn't
tell
the
developer
developer
began,
putting
in
the
Foundation's
and
then
found
out
that
there
were
no
townhouses
to
put
on
the
Foundation's.
A
F
A
G
There's
environmental
issues
too:
Stone
Hill
hired
Hawking
college
to
begin
developing
phase
two,
which
is
the
part
at
the
lower
portion
where
the
foundations
are
up
the
hill
on
the
light,
that's
phase
two:
they
denuded,
the
hillside,
and
yet
they
didn't
put
in
any
sort
of
runoff
blockages.
There
has
been
so
much
erosion
after
a
bad
rainstorm.
We
have
a
mudslide
going
down
the
hill.
That's
that
Creek,
that
used
to
have
a
lot
of
fish
in
it
who
gets
so
choked
with
mud
that
most
of
the
fish
are
gone
it.
G
G
Anytime,
you
want
to
ask
question:
let
is
happy
to
show
you
around,
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
issues,
but
the
environmental
ones
been
a
problem.
It's
a
hunter's
go
up
there
and
we
post
the
hunting
signs
because
we
have
six
children
and
they
rate
age
ranges
from
8
months
to
12,
almost
13
years
old
and
my
kids
play
and
I.
Don't
want
people
heading
up
their
high
school
kids.
G
Go
there
to
drink,
it's
been
I
mean
we've
had
to
clean
up
beer
bottle
and
while
you
and
even
believe
the
thing
you
would
do,
you
live
in
Athens,
oh
yeah,
we
clean
up
a
lot
of
junk,
but
we
shouldn't
have
to,
and
so
you
know,
I
just
wished
that
there
it
had
stayed
just
trees
and
that
they
had
done
some
responsible
developing
with
it.
So
anyhow,
any
other
questions
so.
G
G
Hill,
the
remainder
I
mean
there's
a
lot
of
acreage
involved.
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
see
the
original
plat.
Our
portion
is
just
a
very
small
part
of
ways.
Overall,
this
is
really
hard
to
see.
Perhaps,
but
this
is
phase
one
when
you
go
out.
This
is
the
road
right
here.
This
is
all
the
rest
of
it.
There's
a
lot
of
area
for
development
and
I.
G
C
B
G
Tom
Cassidy
and
David
Young
they're
Columbus
developers,
apparently
they
I
have
the
phone
number
tip
on
it.
Please
call
me:
let's
see
here:
Tom
Cassidy's
number
is
seven
four
zero,
five,
four,
eight
three
six,
seven
seven!
He
is
the
contact
person
that
I
spoke
with
he's,
also
the
one
who
arranged
for
our
road
to
be
plowed
every
winter
or
salted,
and
now
that
the
property
has
reverted
to
the
bank,
I
don't
know
who's
gonna
do
that
David
Young
was
the
person
who
financed
Stone.
Hill
Ltd
I
never
spoke
with
him.
His
number
is
six
one.
G
B
Was
wondering
if
we
might
in
then
at
the
next
meeting,
come
up
with
more
substantive,
long-term
solutions
such
as
changing
the
code
to
not
release
the
bond
until
such
time
as
it
so
as
it's
complete
as
the
roads
are
acceptable
and
the
second
one
being
perhaps
going
to
a
city
engineer
to
check
the
status
of
these,
and
that
would
be
something
I
asked
the
mayor
about
it
last
week.
Those
are
both
discussions.
We
had
after
the
meeting
and
I'd
like
to
discuss
it
through
future
times
sooner
rather
than
later.
C
C
C
With
us
here
this
evening,
and
then
you
have
a
bunch
of
things
from
previous
discussions
about
this
issue,
so
you've
got
a
packet
with
an
old
with
old
committee
agendas
on
top,
and
it
has
the
previous
recommendations
notes
from
the
discussions
and
maps.
So
you
have
all
of
these
documents
and
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
start
with
asking
Mike
Smeltzer
to
talk
with
us
briefly
about
his
request
and
then
Steve
is
gonna.
Walk
us
through
some
of
the
history
of
this
discussion.
J
Good
at
the
evening,
I
will
do
that:
Mike,
Smeltzer
residents,
14300
cool
ville,
Ridge
Road
and
the
recent
acquire
of
building
in
this
area
that
I'm
requesting
a
rezoning
at
18,
West,
State,
Street
and
I.
Think
more
than
anything,
that's
a
formality
to
get
this
on
the
record.
That
I
would
put
that
request
formally
to
Council
to
consider
following
and
implementing
the
very
comprehensive
plan
that
they've
requested
and
I
did
not
have
any
idea
when
I
acquired
this
billion.
J
Things
that
are
in
that
new
zone,
of
course,
Nancy.
The
the
your
limited
first
by
parking
so
it'd
be
very
difficult
to
acquire
parking
if
you
were
going
to
be
commercial
or
residential
to
have
six
storeys,
so
that
would
be
it.
That
would
be
a
tough
want
to
pull
off.
My
purpose
is
to
have
my
office
in
the
first
floor
and
go
up
one
floor
with
some
residential
units
as
well,
for
a
few
reasons,
take
the
pressure
off
our
neighborhoods
good,
stopping
that
conversion.
J
J
Do
that
reason,
being
commercial
space?
Commercial
currently
requires
parking
in
the
event
it's
rezone
and
consistent
and
aligned
and
United
with
the
remainder
of
the
downtown
area.
In
that
case,
commercial
space
can
then
be
used
for
residential
and
so
thusly
I
would
have
the
parking
for
say
nine
units
or
something
along
those
lines.
So.
J
J
J
F
J
J
J
B
Park
on
the
right,
it's
been
done
around
there
fairly
recently
as
up
this
morning,
all
right!
So
so
again,
don't
want
me
through
why
you
want
us
to
go.
To
this
I
mean
the
problem
that
I
see
is
as
a
Third,
Ward
rep
we're
talking
about
an
area
of
the
downtown
area
that
has
tremendous
energy.
It's
perhaps
the
most
energetic
commercial
district
in
the
area
and
I
feel
compelled
to
ask
you
why
what
exactly
makes
b2d
more
attractive
to
you
than
b3,
and
so
far
I've
heard?
B
C
J
I
gotta
tell
you
and
that's
it
not
to
interrupt
right,
I,
don't
think
the
argument
is
mine.
I
think
the
argument
is
implement
the
plan
that
we
paid
a
quarter
of
a
million
dollars
for
that
says
very
clearly
here
is
what
the
downtown
area
of
Athens
should
be
and
when
I
acquire
the
building,
I
kind
of
understood
that
hey.
If
they've
spent
this
kind
of
money
on
a
plan,
we.
B
J
J
B
B
B
D
B
Think
that's
gonna
take
a
while
to
do
that
right.
I!
Think
from
the
point
of
view
of
my
ward,
I
mean
there's
all
we
I've
been
to
meetings
and
have
been
so
many
complaints
about
noise,
then
having
taller
buildings
will
just
increase
the
noise
bouncing
around
in
that
area
and
I
see
that
coming
as
and
that
whole
purpose
as
a
business
district.
But
we
know
that
the
most
advantageous
thing
to
do
is
to
build
residential
and
to
build
residential.
Theoretically,
that
will
Park
in
the
parking
garage,
which
is
a
crock
gym.
L
Around
the
height
of
the
possible
buildings,
and
so
I,
don't
see
any
problem
with
requesting
the
Planning
Commission
to
make
a
recommendation
regarding
that
for
the
entire
B
to
D
area,
which
there
are
spaces
in
the
other
blocks
of
court
in
the
Union
that
it
might
be
someday
feasible
to
put
up
with
a
seven-story
building.
So
if
we
want
to
restrict
that,
then
that
would
be
a
good
that
would
be
a
reasonable
route
to
take.
H
M
K
They
were
based
on
the
Planning
Commission's
1991
strategic
plan
that
they
had
adopted
that
I
believe
counsel
had
not
acknowledged
or
adopted,
but
it
was
the
Planning
Commission
strategic
plan
of
1991,
which
also
recommended
rezoning.
The
third
or
North
block
of
Court
Street
from
B
3
to
B,
to
D
council
accepted
and
passed
through.
Two
of
the
recommendations
for
rezoning
areas.
Two
were
not
passed.
One
of
the
two
that
was
not
was
that
rezoning
on
the
north
end,
the
Court
Street
I'm,
looking
through
the
record,
Howard
Stephens
was
chair
of
Planning
development.
K
At
the
time
Planning
Commission
scuse
me
counsel
had
some.
There
was
some
discussion
about
building
heights.
Basically
the
back
and
forth
between
council
and
the
Planning
Commission
was
the
downtown
area,
has
a
you
know,
a
height
limitation,
and
it
would
continue
on
you
know
with
that
area
of
town.
For
that
rezoning
there
are
only
eight
North
Court
I
think
is
the
tallest
building,
which
may
be
five
storeys,
possibly,
and
the
only
of
the
thing
taller.
K
K
Another
problem
and
some
of
the
discussion
and
minutes
that
I
had
provided
to
miss
Phillips,
indicated
that
there
were
two
property
owners
in
particular
in
1994.
At
the
time
of
this
first
of
the
first
recommendation
that
had
some
concern,
one
was
Jack
Stouffer.
He
owned
strong
plumbing
that
was
located
right
on
Court
Street.
At
the
time
the
other
was
Kevin
Goldsberry
and
his
father
at
the
BP
gas
station.
Misters
staffers
concern
was
that
a
plumbing
shop
would
be
a
grandfather
non-conforming
use
in
a
B
to
D
B
3.
It's
a
permitted
use
B
to
D.
K
K
The
large
freestanding
sign
that
would
not
be
permitted,
freestanding
signs
are
permitted
in
the
B
to
D,
and
so
there
was
some
controversy
about
what
would
happen
to
the
sign
at
the
BP
station.
At
the
time
there
was
a
sunset
clause
attached
to
non-conforming
signs
and
that
sign
would
had
to
have
come
down.
In
the
meantime,
though,
the
regulations
have
been
changed
and
any
sign
erected
after
1989
would
be
grandfathered.
E
K
Any
signs
scuse
me
any
sign
erected
before
1989
would
not
be
grandfathered
would
have
to
come
into
compliance.
Anything
after
1989
would
have
to
comply,
but
you
lose
your
compliance
or
your
grandfather.
Excuse
me
when
you
change
the
face
of
the
sign
out.
So
if
BP
would
you
know,
they've
changed
their
logo?
On
occasion,
I
know
now,
Chase
Bank
owns
my
BP
credit
card,
as
so
you
know
they
may
change
the
logo
and
at
that
point
in
time,
that's
when
you
lose
your
grandfather,
so
a
sign
that
sign
then
be
refused
I'm.
K
In
the
meantime,
Noah
can
stay
just
the
way.
It
is
so
that
controversy,
essentially,
is
it's
not
as
great
as
it
had
been
in
the
past
in
1994.
Also
another
thing
that
I
saw,
the
planning
can
excuse
me,
the
council,
didn't
particularly
care
about
was
a
50/50
mix
of
commercial
parky.
Excuse
me,
commercial
use
and
residential
use
at
the
time,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
indicated
on
the
comparison
chart
that
I
provided
the
parking
at
the
time
for
residential
was
only
1.5
per
unit.
It
was
an
efficiency
apartment
with
one
tenant.
K
K
Since
then
the
requirement
has
changed
from
1.5
to
one
per
occupant,
so
there's
been
a
great
increase
in
the
parking
requirement,
which
would
somewhat
have
a
limiting
factor
on
the
total
number
of
people
you
could
house
in
a
building
residential
parking
is
not
parking.
Garage
is
not
allowed
to
be
used
for
residential
parking
requirements
only
for
commercial
in
the
downtown
district.
K
At
the
time
too,
in
1995
or
when
the
original
presentation
was
made,
commercial
use
could
meet
its
parking
at
the
parking
garage,
but
only
if
that
use
was
within
500
feet
of
the
parking
garage
revisions
to
the
zoning
code.
I
believe
in
O
3
examined
that
and
provided
that
benefit
to
all
downtown
B
to
D
business
uses.
K
The
only
part
of
the
downtown
area
that
was
greater
than
500
feet
of
the
parking
garage
was
the
area
around
BW
3
that
corner
over
Congress
and
Union,
and
there
didn't
seem
to
be
any
reason
why
those
few
would
be
prohibited.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
at
the
time
barons
men
shop
wanted
to
put
some
parking.
K
When
I
did
two
on
this
chart
was
bold
and
highlighted
things
that
have
been
changed
between
what
the
code
was.
It
was
in
effect
in
1995
and
what's
currently
in
effect,
another
change
is
bars
have
to
be
at
least
100
feet
from
any
are
zone.
There
was
no
restriction
on
proximity
to
residential
zones
in
1995,
also
in
the.
In
the
meantime,
there
was
a
total
prohibition
on
residential
use
on
the
ground
floor
of
a
property
which
was
not
the
case
in
95.
K
The
Planning
Commission
did
recommend
I
believe
about
three
years
ago
to
Council
to
rezone
that
area
as
I
recall.
Their
recommendation
essentially
gave
an
allowance
for
the
council
to
draw
that
map
of
that
area.
However,
they
wished
I
provided
mr.
Phillips
with
a
map
of
what
was
proposed
in
94
in
what
was
proposed
by
the
Planning
Commission
most
recently
in
the
last
three
years,
and
essentially
it
gives
latitude
for
council
to
draw
the
b2d
boundary
line
wherever
they
might
want
to
I.
K
K
C
K
C
C
F
F
K
E
K
Stops
on
the
south
side
of
West
carpenter,
at
where
the
subtle
bug
shop
is
at
and
on
the
north
side,
I
believe
at
the
what's
that
fraternal
organization
faces
the
Masons.
So
if
you
go
to
the
other
side,
there's
on
the
north
side
of
West
carpenter,
there's
a
house
and
then
a
church
I
believe
those
are
in
the
are
three
and
then
there
are
two
small
houses
and
a
large
house
on
the
corner.
Congress
that
are
in
the
are
three.
So
it
extends
a
few
Lots
over
west
of
Court
Street
on
carpenter.
E
K
K
Is
no
the
front
setbacks
the
same
zero?
Well,
actually,
there
are
no
setbacks.
No
maximum
coverage
in
the
B
to
D
zone
in
the
B
3.
You
have
to
stay
ten
feet
off
the
side,
property
lines
and
ten
feet
away
from
your
neighbor
in
the
rear.
But
you
can
build
right
up
to
the
your
property
line
at
the
street
side.
C
As
far
as
the
noise
issues
that
neighbors
in
the
north,
Congress
area
have
been
experiencing
recently
the
difference
in
this
a
hundred
feet
from
any
our
zone
versus
the
200
feet
from
in
r1
or
r2.
If
this
zone
were
changed,
how
much
more
potential
is
there
for
development
of
nightclubs
and
bars
and
in
that
end
of
movie?
Well.
K
Actually,
what
it'll
do
is
it
will
diminish
that
possibility?
I'm,
actually
brownies
will
become
a
legal
non-conforming
use
because
they're
now
located
in
the
b3
zoning
district,
where
you
only
have
to
be,
you
have
to
be
at
least
200
feet
away
from
an
r1
or
an
r2
in
the
case
of
the
downtown
district
have
to
be
at
least
a
hundred
feet
away
from
any
residential
zone.
K
So
there's
our
three
right
next
to
brownies
are
within
100
feet,
so
bronies
as
an
example
will
become
a
legal
non-conforming
use,
and
probably
so
will
Casa
also
and
anyone
that
serves
liquor
in
that
upper
portion
of
Court
Street
if
they
are
closer
than
100
feet
to
any
residential
district,
r1,
r2
or
r3
they'll
become
a
legal
non-conforming
use
and
find
themselves
in
the
situation
that
Mister
Stoffer
did
about
10
or
11
years
ago.
Once
expand
he's.
E
K
K
College
streets
are
three:
most
of
Congress's
are
three,
so
the
difference
being
that
the
limitation
of
two
hundred
feet
away
of
a
bar
in
the
b3
is
any
r1
or
r2
zone.
But
when
the
ordinance
was
passed,
it
did
not
include
our
three,
so
you
could
have
a
you.
Have
a
bar
or
place
of
entertainment
right
next
to
an
r3
zone,
the
woman,
it's
a
little
tighter
in
the
Uptown
area
and
that's
a
recent
change.
B
K
Recently
attended
a
liquor
control
hearing
for
brownies
I
was
called
to
give
testimony
about
zoning
requirements.
The
attorney
for
Brodie's
objected
to
the
the
Liquor
Control
hearing
officer
but
said
that
he
would
allow
the
testimony
but
wanted
to
reiterate
to
the
hearing
officer
that
zoning
had
no
bearing
on
transfer
of
a
liquor
license,
so
they
can't
live
in
separate
worlds,
I
think,
essentially,
what
liquor
control
the
same
as
regulation
is
local.
K
If
you
want
to
be
more
restrictive
about
where
liquor
licenses
can
occur,
you
can
do
that
locally,
but
as
far
as
the
state's
concerned,
they're
not
going
to
regulate
proximity
to
to
anything
I
believe
there
are
some
limitations
on
notification
to
churches
and
schools
when
there's
a
request
for
a
new
lessons
are
a
transfer,
but
obviously
the
local
regulations
here
in
Athens
are
much
more
restrictive.
There
is
no
there's
no
mention
of,
or
allusion
to,
proximity
to
churches
or
schools.
K
K
As
I
recall
in
in
reading
rahama,
because
I'm
kind
of
in
the
midst
of
the
transfer
of
the
West
End
Tavern
license
now
to
east
carpenter,
street
I've
been
looking
at
state
law
and
essentially
what
it
says.
What
is
they
don't
care
about
zone?
They
don't
care
about
local
regulation,
they're,
not
saying
that
they
preempted
they're,
just
saying
when
it
comes
to
consideration
for
that
they're
not
going
to
they're,
not
going
to
consider
that,
but.
K
E
K
F
J
Back
to
the
last
point,
I'm
sorry
I
just
want
to
say
it
again
to
make
sure
I'm
hearing
correctly
if
the
zoning
is
changed
as
I've
asked,
or
some
sense
of
that,
it's
actually
less.
No
well,
as
we've
all
read
the
paper,
there's
a
lot
of
noise
created
evidently
by
a
particular
bar
and
the
bar
seems
to
be
the
concern.
This
change
would
actually
constrict
that
or
restrict
that
ability
to
put
either
additional
bars
or
expanding
new
bars.
Is
that
your
that
correctly?
That's.
K
Correct,
okay,
then
I
suppose
noise
can
be
a
function
of
any
kind
of
activity,
but
probably
more
so
when
you
have
outdoor
beer
gardens
from
that
side
of
it
just
so,
everyone
knows
if
you're
not
familiar
with
it.
I'm
sure
most
of
you
are
I
cited
mr.
Wharton
Court
for
removing
the
parking
up
at
Brody's,
where
the
beer
garden
was
that
he
pled
no
contest
was
found
guilty
of
the
criminal
charge
of
violating
parking
requirements
of
the
zoning
code.
K
Right
after
the
noise
complaint
started,
there
were
complaints
about
noise.
There
were
complaints
about
parking
and
complaints
about
something.
Now,
as
far
as
I
know,
I
mean
I've
run
this
out.
As
far
as
I
can
I
thought
it
was
developing
before
he's
been
found
guilty.
That's
when
he
purchased
some
additional
Rodney
deed,
restricted
some
parking.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
had
inquiry
today
about
the
parking.
That's
there
right
now.
There
was
a
recent
court
case
where
judge
grim
threw
out
officer
Randy
Gray's
ticket
enough
someone
from
parking
on
the
sidewalk.
K
He
said
that
judge
grim
said
it
was
not
marked
properly
in
order
to
prohibit
vehicular
parking
there,
and
so,
when
it
wasn't
specifically
designated
as
pedestrian
cars
were
allowed
to
park
there.
So
that's
why
you
see
kind
of
with
impunity
at
the
moment
parking
across
what
would
appear
to
be
the
sidewalk
and.
K
Been
discussion
at
staff
meetings
about
that
and
the
direction
to
proceed.
I
actually
responded
to
an
email.
I
got
today
from
Aaron
Leatherwood,
who
I
believe
is
an
officer
and
the
happens
near
North
Neighborhood
Association
I
copied
the
service
Safety
Director,
the
police
chief,
an
officer
gray
on
that,
because
we
have
had
discussions
about
our
inability
to
write
tickets
in
that
area
and
it's
a
highly
congested
area.
It
was
really
a
problem
when
construction
was
taking
place
but
for
the
residential
use
there
and
for
the
commercial
use
I.
K
B
B
K
F
K
Essentially,
they're
engines
that
just
be
like
parallel
parking
on
the
street.
The
car
should
be
parking
parallel
to
the
Philly
and
parallel
to
the
street,
but
without
any
ability
for
the
police
department
based
on
the
court
decision
to
enforce
blocking
the
sidewalk
they're
just
continuing
to
park
the
way
they
boys
park
so.
A
H
A
I
have
a
question
just
curious
on
the
last
page,
you've
included
some
comments
from
the
Comprehensive
Plan
and
and
I
wondered
why
you
included
street
furniture
should
be
strategically
placed
throughout
to
encourage
people
to
linger
and
enjoy
this
district
setting
and
whenever
possible,
sidewalk,
cafes
and
other
outdoor
entertainment.
Venues
should
be
encouraged
and
supported.
I'm
curious
as
to
their
relevance,
yeah.
J
A
E
A
I
understand
that
what
what
is
relevant
but
why
these
two
are
stuck
in
the
middle
that
aren't
relevant,
seemed
a
little
doing.
C
C
K
Like
to
mention
one
more
thing
that
may
be
important
to
some
people,
the
B
to
D
has
a
restriction
on
no
freestanding
signs
permitted,
but
also
projecting
signs
if
you've
ever
noticed
that
projecting
signs
above
State
Street
in
the
B
3
area
are
very
large.
They're
allowed
to
be
up
to
50
square
feet
and
in
the
B
to
D
or
below
state
streets
are
only
allowed
to
be
eight
square
feet.
They
can't
eight
square
foot.
Signs
can
only
be
three
and
a
half
feet
and
any
one
dimension.
K
They
can
be
any
dimension
north
of
State
Street.
So
that
is
another
little
change
and
we'll
add
some
I'm
sure
someone
from
out
of
town
wonders
what
magic
line
they
might
have
crossed
on
Court
Street.
We
have
these
very
little
tasteful
projecting
signs
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
I
remember
when
the
swindle
fish
was
was
up
there.
They
were
the
first
ones
that
stretched
the
limit
on
a
fifty
square.
Foot
projecting
sign,
so
a
change
in
his
own
would
also
mean
that
any
any
large
projecting
sign
up
in
that
area
would
have
to
conform.
C
C
C
I
was
thinking
more
like
Saturday
sometime,
but
maybe
we
can
check
calendar
it's
an
email
around
and
try
to
set
that
up
rather
than
pick
a
time
right
now,
because
I
don't
have
a
calendar
with
me.
What
do
people
think
about
going
ahead
and
doing
passing
a
resolution
requesting
that
the
Planning
Commission
reconsider
the
height
limitations
and
the
whole
controls
in.
L
C
L
B
F
C
E
K
E
K
K
One
is
the
additional
height
that's
permitted
in
the
downtown
district
as
compared
to
regular
B
2
zone,
which
one
Avenue
and
the
other,
as
I'd
mentioned,
as
a
recent
change,
which
talks
about
proximity
to
R,
1
and
R
2
zones.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
discussion,
because
Richland
Avenue
is
kind
of
sandwiched
in
between
residential
zones
and
part
of
the
idea.
K
I
know
the
Planning
Commission
was:
do
you
really
want
to
have
a
bar
or
a
place
of
entertainment,
something
having
noise
and
going
on
later
in
the
night
right
there?
So
most
of
the
Richland
Avenue
corridor
would
not
even
permit
a
bar
or
a
place
of
entertainment
or
a
nightclub
just
because
of
that
restriction
of
has
to
be
greater
than
100
feet
away.
C
C
C
J
C
E
B
J
E
Into
a
B
to
D,
if
it's
going
to
go
to
six
stories
even
for
a
short
period
of
time,
right,
because
it's
amazing
how
building
permits
just
tumbled
into
the
coat
office
and
then
tumble
out
was
stumping.
So
therefore,
I'd
rather
see
the
height
requirement
change.
First,
from
my
point
of
view-
and
that's
just
me,
I'm
producing
this
packet,
I've
gotten
I
realized
I
made
statements
in
94,
saying
I
was
against
it.
So.
C
The
revised
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan,
we
approved
the
natural
hazard
mitigation
plan
a
year
two
years
ago
and
it's
been
changed
and
we
have
a
two-page
note
here
explaining
the
changes
that
have
been
made.
It's
a
copy
of
a
letter
to
Chad
or
Guinness
and
I
I
will
ask
Steve
or
Muriel.
Whoever
wants
to
to
talk
us
through
what
you're
asking
us
to
consider
here.
Well,.
I
What
happened
after
the
council
has
approved
the
plan
it
was
submitted
to
ODNR
for
their
review.
They
can
came
back
close
to
a
year
later
with
comments
which
then
baa
by
converting
the
county,
planner
and
I
went
through
these
and
made
suggestive
changes
to
the
plan,
which
was
retyped
and
then
resubmitted
to
them.
I
But
this
is
a
summarizing
letter
of
all
of
the
changes
that
were
made
to
it
and
now
they've
come
back
and
said,
they'll
accept
not
in
writing,
of
course,
but
they've
come
back
and
said
they
would
accept
it,
except
it's
now
deficient
and
then
it's
not
been
approved
by
council.
So
now,
council
has
to
change,
approve
these
four
pages,
with
the
clarification
and
some
of
the
things
were
is
simple
in
their
saying.
I
I
You
know
describe
the
process
for
identifying
hazards
and
list
the
source
used
to
identify
the
hazards.
So
we
put
in
a
footnote
in
Chapter
two
section,
one
paragraph:
five:
the
primary
source
for
identifying
hazards
was
the
National
Weather
Service's
list
of
Atlas
County
natural
hazards,
you
know
etc.
So
this
was
all
I,
don't
think
it
didn't
change
any
of
the
goals
of
the
plan.
I
You
know
they
wanted
us
to
include
a
schedule
of
public
participation
opportunities
and
who
was
responsible
to
be
responsible
for
organizing
these
events,
who
will
maintain
the
website
etc,
and
so
there
was
just
a
lot
of
what
I
call
organizational
detail
that
they
decided
they
would
like
to
have
in
the
plan,
and
anybody
that's
read
through
the
four
pages
can
see
that
there's
not
a
whole
lot
there.
That's.
I
N
C
I
N
I
Don't
know
suspension
is
necessarily
necessary,
I
mean
it's
the
holiday
time.
We
don't
have
an
emergency
clause
in
to
say
either
it's
just
an
ordinance.
Once
it's
passed,
I
will
forward
to
ODNR.
Hopefully
they
will
then
give
their
blessing
and
improve.
Formerly
the
client
we've
been
meeting
now
for
about
a
year
and
a
half
two
years,
David
you're
on
yeah.
C
C
Last
week
there
were,
there
was
a
lot
of
buzz
in
the
community
around
the
proposed
bill
plan
or
the
NCR
project
and
Steve
did
bring
some
information
about
floodplain
regulations
that
I'll
just
pass
out
to
folks
I,
don't
know
we
need
to
really
have
a
discussion
about
it,
but
I
did
bring
that
and
I
I
don't
know
folks
did
want
to
mention.
This
I
had
actually
heard
that
I
thought
folks
were
gonna.
Ask
questions
about
this
this
evening.
L
Actually
I
had
called
mr.
Pearson's
office
because
I
had
received
this
proposal.
As
the
council
members
did
and
my
concern
was
the
typewritten
part
up
in
the
corner
says:
earthworks
sequence
number
one
excavate
on
site
borrow
pits
infill
building
pads
number
two
perform
as
build
survey
and
number
three
upon
city
approval
submit
for
a
letter
of
map
revision
in
the
floodway
to
FEMA.
For
certification,
I
was
surprised
that
city
approval
wasn't
or
some
approval
wasn't
hired.
L
L
K
Whenever
the
community
official
signs
off
on
such
an
application,
which
it's
the
form
called
community
acknowledgement
form,
you
have
to
verify
that
the
any
excavation
or
fill
did
not
take
place
in
the
floodway.
So
there's
no
relationship
the
floodway,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
FEMA
is
trying
to
determine,
was
a
clone,
are
necessary,
conditional
letter
of
map
revision
to
move
the
floodway
wide
so
letter
of
map
revision
based
on
fill
right.
Now,
if
you
go
to
FEMA's
website,
there
have
been
about
15
of
those
approved
in
the
city.
K
It's
a
way
to
have
your
property
removed
from
the
flood
hazard
area
after
you
fill
it
the
application.
It's
a
very
lengthy
application.
Like
I
said
it's
just
a
one-page
sign-off
community
acknowledgement
form
you
can
have
the
structure
removed
from
the
flood
hazard
mapping
or
the
lot
or
both
the
first.
One
of
these
that
I
saw
was
Burger
King,
like
I,
say
since
then,
there's
been
about
15
of
these,
the
most
recent
being
Bennigan's,
the
movie
theater
on
East,
8th
Street.
Did
it
not
too
long
ago?
K
E
K
K
K
The
drawing
this
is
the
first
I've
seen
the
drawing.
It
would
appear
to
me
that
this
would
at
least
for
a
temporary
amount
of
time.
If
they
didn't
propose
replacement
of
Phil,
it
would
compromise
the
existing
heights
of
the
railroad
bed.
It
looks
like
three
of
those
borrow
pits
are
right
on
the
old
railroad
embankment.
H
K
K
That's
a
stormwater
sediment
erosion
control
plan
for
sites,
one
acre
or
greater
of
development
area
EPA
recently
reduced
that
from
five
acres
of
disturbance
down
to
one
acre
of
disturbance.
So
there's
several
very
preliminary
things
that
have
to
be
put
in
place
before
a
permit
could
even
be
issued.
I've
been
closely
in
contact
with
mr.
hunter
the
whole
time
this
has
been
taking
place
because
all
the
pending
litigation.
K
So
you
know
in
consultation
with
him,
knowing
if
I
had
the
ability
or
the
authorization
to
issue
a
permit
or
not
as
far
as
I
understand
it
right
now,
the
appeals
court
case
does
not
include
an
injunction
to
stop
work.
So
that's
why
some
of
this
had
proceeded.
An
NCR
appears
that
you
know
they're
ready
to
proceed
even
with
the
appeals
court
case
pending.
L
K
Rather
than
call
it
permission,
there's
a
there's,
a
section
in
the
zoning
code
called
excavation
permit
with
no
definition,
but
there's
allusion
to
it
that
it
has
to
do
with
development
related
to
title
25,
flood
hazard
area
development
or
title
27,
land
development
application
that
section
of
the
code.
So
what
I
do
in
these
cases
is
I
issue.
A
special
flood
hazard
area
development
permit
that's
contained
in
title
25.
K
Additionally,
provided
to
you
with
sections
of
model,
flood
regulations
that
provided
by
the
Ohio
Department
of
Natural
Resources,
what
clean
management
Division
two
in
particular
higher
standards,
are
one
called
compensatory
storage,
which
essentially
means
you,
don't
you
have
to
use
the
soil
that
you
have
on
a
site
you
can't
bring
any
in.
They
want
you
to
essentially
transfer
around
the
soil.
That's
there
and
essentially
what
they're
proposing
is
compensatory
storage.
B
L
B
Okay,
so
the
one
that's
right
next
to
the
street
on
the
plan,
it's
fifty
eight
point,
eight
feet
from
the
building
to
the
edge
of
Stinson
Avenue,
and
it
looks
like
if
one
inch
equals
a
hundred
feet
that
they're
going
pretty
close
to
Stimson
Avenue
with
that
borrow
pit,
and
that
would
mean
it's
in
are
probably
in
our
right-of-way,
which,
after
the
railroad
tracks,
is
about
thirty
five
feet
or
in
our
setback
as
well.
I
think
they're
supposed
to
meet
this
setback
as
I
recall
when
we
were
sort
of
jousting
through
these
things.
B
That
was
one
of
the
things
that
we
had
to
meet
that
they
had
to
meet
the
requirement
that
they
not
developed
in
the
setback
or
the
thing
that
I
could
be
corrected
on
that
one
wouldn't
be
the
first
time.
B
The
other
thing
I
wonder
about
is
the
potential
impact
of
the
borrow
pits
that
are
to
the
east
of
that
or
the
stormwater
facility,
and
specifically,
if
it
would
be
an
impact
on
our
service
lines
and
also,
in
addition
to
that,
would
the
to
borrow
pits
on
either
side
of
the
stormwater
also
have
an
impact.
I
think.
B
Don't
we
throw
I
mean
it's
just
that
the
water
table
is
very
high
on
that
side.
I
think
they
know
it
from
there
pretty
high
discussion
from
their
work
on
that.
So
I
wonder
about
the
compatibility
of
the
borrowed.
It's
where
the
villas
were
going
to
be
and
with
our
area,
recreation,
where
we
were
going
to
put
Todd
lots
in.
You
know
just
right
up
the
hill
at
that
area.
So
currently.
K
Whenever
we
have
development
plans
submitted
to
the
city,
we
have
a
review
process
that
the
Service
Safety
Director
has
set
up
for
all
all
departments
to
review
and
comment
on
plans.
We
don't
have
a
formal
application
on
this
one,
so
it's
not
gone
through
that
process.
There's
the
possibility
I
suppose
we
should
add
a
line
for
comment
review
for
City
Council,
actually,
because
the
comments
or
the
observation
that
you're
making
I
think
are
appropriate
specialist
for
impact
on
utilities.
B
M
Right
now
it
looks
like
our
parts
of
the
actual
construction
of
the
facility
is
going
to
be
approximately
$700,000,
and
this
is
for
a
facility
that
is
approximately
10,000
square
feet
and
will
accommodate
50
stalls
for
indoor
bending
space
for
any
market,
whether
it's
the
Athens
farmers,
market
or
other
markets
that
may
emerge
in
terms
of
using
this
pavilion.
The
design
of
the
facility
is
also
flexible
enough
that
we
will
probably
be
able
to
accommodate
as
many
as
a
hundred
stalls.
M
So
at
the
peak
of
the
season,
for
instance,
when
we
look
at
the
Athens
farmers
market,
maybe
in
the
month
of
July
through
October,
we
know
that
typically
anywhere
from
75
to
90
ten-by-ten
stalls
are
in
use.
This
design
will
be
able
to
accommodate
the
wax
and
wane
so
to
speak
of
the
number
of
vendors
we've
also
been
concerned
in
terms
of
the
exponential
growth
of
market,
so
I
think,
as
we
have
more
and
more
vendors
throughout
the
season,
we'll
probably
always
have
both
indoor
pavilion
space
occupied
and
some
outdoor
space.
M
Many
of
the
members
of
the
Athens
farmers
market
are
still
sort
of
attached
to
the
market,
umbrellas
and
canopies.
So
I
think
there
will
be
some
self-selection
in
terms
of
having
vending
space
outside
of
the
pavilion.
We
are
in
the
process
right
now
of
preparing
a
draft
lease
with
the
owners
of
the
property,
southeastern
Ohio
management,
company
owners,
Tom,
Moffatt
and
Brent
Hays.
Most
of
the
state
funders
will
require
prevailing
wage,
so
the
bidding
process
was
done
based
on
prevailing
wage.
Most
of
the
funders
are
also
looking
at
a
minimum
of
a
40-year.
M
M
Put
that
together
between
six
and
seven
I,
think
I
walked
out
of
staples
with
the
foam
cord
sevens
or
is
it
six?
So
it's
not
real
pretty,
but
it
gives
you
a
sense
of
what
the
space
is
going
to
look
like.
We
had
probably
about
15
general
contractors
who
went
through
the
bidding
process
and
I
think
both
timing.
The
sort
of
high-profile
nature
of
this
facility
really
was
a
plus
in
terms
of
getting
some
good
bids
in.
M
It
looks
like
right
now
that
the
bid
will
probably
be
able
to
go
forward
with
will
be
secured,
probably
into
December
or
January.
Ideally,
the
property
owners
would
love
to
see
the
construction
begin
sometime
over
the
winter
months,
and
most
of
the
construction
timeline
can
occur
depending
on
what
our
weather
conditions
are.
Like
this
weather,
it's
probably
going
to
be
about
a
four
month.
Construction
timeline,
so
I
am
basing
my
assumptions
that
ace
net
needs
to
raise
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars.
M
This
project
within,
hopefully
the
next
couple
of
weeks
between
the
next
month.
Many
of
this
certainly
has
been
applied
for
many
of
the
funders
that
we
have
been
working
with
are
very
interested
in
this
project.
I,
certainly
don't
want
to
count
my
chickens
before
they
hatch,
but
I'm
still
feeling
pretty
confident
that
we
will
be
able
to
raise
this
money
and
hopefully
raise
a
little
bit
more
money.
M
I
would
like
to
have
some
additional
funding
socked
away
in
terms
of
some
of
the
other
expenses
with
the
lease,
and
maybe
even
some
cash
reserves
for
the
first
two
years
of
operation
of
the
facility.
So
those
are
sort
of
my
assumptions
at
this
point.
The
mayor
and
I
have
been
probably
conversing
weekly
on
this
project
and
we
are
hoping
to
secure
anywhere
from
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
terms
of
the
city's
participation
in
the
budget.
M
I
I
Spend
the
revolving
loan
fund
all
the
way
down,
because
part
of
it
is
to
help
the
small
businesses
like
this,
but
you
have
to
really
think
about
the
program
income
which
comes
from
the
rental
of
the
houses
through
metropolitan
housing
at
Blackburn,
Road
and
Central
Avenue,
and
that's
been
building
up
since
they
opened
and
I
think
we
finished
the
Blackburn
Road
houses
and
96
or
97.
So
we
just
let
it
accumulate,
but
it's
a
potential
use
for
that.
I
We'd
want
to
keep
a
little
bit
in
case
we
had
a
major
house
repair
or
something,
but
it
looks
like
it
would
probably
be
doable
on
that,
and
this
was
we
one
of
those,
since
it's
already
under
the
city's
control
to
be
like
it's
not
a
competitive
thing.
It's
I
want
to
use
this
money.
We've
collected
under
CDBG
guidelines
in
this
CBG
house
for
program,
and
it
can
be
approved
in
a
matter
of
a
week
or
two.
F
I
D
Ever
so
general
question
I
apologize.
This
has
already
been
addressed.
What
are
gonna
be
the
hours
of
operation?
Are
they
gonna
remain
the
same?
The.
M
Athens
farmers
market
will
continue
to
operate
year-round
on
Saturday
mornings.
Right
now
we
operate
from
10:00
to
1:00.
There
has
been
discussion
that
ours
might
change
in
the
upcoming
years,
especially
once
we
get
one
year
under
our
belt
in
the
pavilion
the
Wednesday
market
may
go
to
be
at
some
point,
a
year-round
market
right
now.
It
typically
starts
in
April
and
goes
through.
M
Sometimes
the
Wednesday
before
Christmas
I
think
what
the
pavilion
this
is
going
to
attract
many
more
vendors,
who
typically
do
not
come
out
in
the
colder
winter
months,
probably
in
2007,
once
we
occupy
the
pavilion,
the
Athens
farmers
market
will
go
to
a
third
day
and
then
we're
hoping
that
another
emerging
market
may
occur
at
the
height
of
the
season,
maybe
April
through
October.
That
probably
will
not
be
the
Athens
Farmers
Market
Association.
That
may
be
a
combination
of
artisan
craft
food
farm
vendors.
M
One
of
the
challenges
right
now
for
many
of
the
food
entrepreneurs
that
I
work
with
and
many
of
the
younger
farmers
is
that
there
is
not
available
space
for
them
on
Saturday
morning.
So
what
we
would
like
to
see
is
more
market
days
occur,
so
many
of
these
newer
businesses
would
be
able
to
have
a
larger
market
share
as
well.
L
M
M
To
be
a
public
facility,
I
think,
most
of
the
time
most
of
us
talk
about
it
in
the
context
of
the
Athens
farmer's
market,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
really
tried
to
be
clear
about
is
that
it
is
going
to
be
a
public
market
pavilion,
and
maybe
market
is
even
too
restrictive
in
terms
of
our
definition
of
its
use.
Thanks.
M
F
M
M
The
other
page
is
the
actual
budget
information
we
have
at
this
point
in
time
to
be
able
to
receive
the
bids.
We
did
combine
both
parts
of
the
budgets
so
the
actual
construction
to
the
facility
and
then
the
parking
and
landscaping
upgrades
and
some
of
the
other
utility
upgrades
that
will
occur
on
the
site.
Some
of
that
budget
will
be
paid
for
by
this
project
and.
F
M
M
F
M
L
M
Perpendicular
to
the
mall,
and
really
when
you
look
I
didn't
bring
the
blueprints
I
thought
they
were
in
my
trunk,
but
they
weren't
it
really
in
terms
of
the
actual
pavilion
goes
pretty
much
from
that
main
entrance
on
East,
8th,
Street
they'll
obviously
be
some
space
in
terms
of
traffic
flow,
and
then
there
will
also
be
space
at
the
top
entrance
of
the
mall
so
that
you'll
be
able
to
do
if
you
wanted
to
drive
through
between
the
pavilion
and
the
front
sort
of
front
main
entrance
of
the
mall
you'll.
Be
able
to
do
that.
M
One
of
the
changes
and
I'm
sure
if
anyone's
been
out
on
East,
8th,
Street
you'll
notice
that
the
mall
has
been
painted,
some
additional
facade
work
will
be
occurring
within
the
next
month
or
so,
and
all
of
that
is
part
of
the
integrated
design
with
the
pavilion
so
they'll
be
more
outdoor
seating
in
front
of
the
mall
as
well,
and
we're
trying
to
make
the
space
as
flexible
as
possible
in
terms
of
seating.
So
the
market
cafe
will
still
exist.
M
I
K
F
I
Where
we
are
right
now
from
a
council
perspective,
is
to
get
this
really
started.
I
need
an
ordinance
authorizing
me
to
apply
to
CDBG
for
program
any
City
program,
income
or
revolving
loan
funds
or
other
CDBG,
or
any
other
grants
that
are
possible
because
some
of
these
funding
sources
that
Leslie
is
talking
about,
may
want
to
make
it
directly
to
the
city,
because
the
city
would
be
the
one
holding
the
lease
on
the
property,
so
it
has
to
be
kind
of
broad
along
the
lines
of
anybody
than
anybody
else
that
wants
to
donate.
I
I
C
F
I
I
C
Been
proposed
here
looks
very
reasonable
to
me.
It
looks
like
a
really
appropriate
use
of
the
revolving
loan
fund.
In
particular,
it
could
be
helping
a
lot
of
small
businesses
with
this
one
application,
so
I
mean
based
on
what
what
you're
telling
us
about
what's
available
in
the
funds.
This
seems
like
a
reasonable
place
to
start.
Yes,.
I
Money
in
the
revolving
loan
fund
and
the
program
income
for
house
repairs
of
Li
are
necessary
to
do
and
I
think
that
what
we
have
to
remember
many
times,
we've
used
this
revolving
loan
fund
to
partner
with
the
state
like
in
the
Damon's
loan,
and
then
there
were
another
one.
I've
asked
Jim
to
talk
about
later
during
his
committee
meeting,
where
we're
going
to
try
to
leverage
dollars
to
get
more
state
dollars
to
replenish
that
long
fun.
E
Could
we
have
a
suspension
a
second
reading,
just
in
case
there's
people
who
need
to
voices
or
time
wise
I
mean
that
would
just
put
us
to
the
second
reading.
I
mean
I
have
no
problem
with
it
right
off
the
top,
except
I
can
see
that
there's,
probably
somebody
out
there
and
probably
thinking
you
know
300,000
whoa
yeah.
How
is
something
like
that?
I'd.
D
A
C
A
I'm
not
for
Leslie
I
just
wondered
what's
happening
with
the
comprehensive
plan.
I.
B
B
B
C
L
N
A
I
Last
Finance
Committee
meeting
I
went
back
and
reviewed
how
many
actual
positions
there
are
and
range
six
and
above
and
really
find
the
bulk
of
those
positions.
17
of
them
are
in
range.
Seven
range,
seven
is
a
fairly
inclusive.
It
goes
from
the
beginning
system,
service
safety,
director,
the
planner
up
to
fire,
captain's
police,
captain's
personnel
director
many
of
our
program
directors
and
where
we
are
having
difficulty,
is
twofold
with
both
at
the
beginning.
I
This
is
something
we'll
probably
have
to
revisit
and
may
have
to
separate
them
out
as
a
separate
pay
grade
at
some
point,
but
I
think
a
two
thousand
dollar
increase
like
we
did
and
one
through
five
would
be
appropriate
there
at
both
ends
because
we're
not
getting
a
wealth
of
applications
for
either
the
planner
or
the
assistant
service
safety
director
when
they
read
it
begins
at
40
mm.
That
sounds
like
a
very
responsible
job.
I
At
least
forty
four
would
be
a
little
bit
better
because
our
policy
is
always
been
to
put
the
beginning
of
that
pay
range
in
newspaper
advertising
rather
than
the
flexibility
council
have
allowed
me
to
say
well.
If
they
have
experience
and
everything
you
can
go
a
certain
percentage
higher
than
that,
because
then
everybody
expects
they
get
it.
So
you
don't
want
to
Road
you
to
negotiating
position
too
much.
I
So
my
recommendation
would
be
that
in
pay
range
six,
just
because
of
the
placement
of
the
employees
and
there's
only
three
they're
all
instilling
the
steps
they
haven't
even
hit
the
midpoint.
Yet
so
a
two
thousand
dollar
change
to
that,
wouldn't
really
make
any
any
impact
at
all
and
in
pay
grades
nine
that
person's
at
the
midpoint
there's
only
one
and
then
in
pay
range.
I
Eight
I
think
there
are
under
this
proposal,
six
positions,
three
of
them
prosecutors
who
are
below
the
max
by
enough
that
it
isn't
going
to
get
impacted
same
thing
with
the
director
of
water
sewer
utility,
where
it's
the
other
one
is
if
our
police,
chief
and
fire
chief
for
both
caught
by
this.
This,
if
they're
at
the
max
right
now
but
they're
the
they
both
got
33
or
34
years,
and
so
that's
that
maybe
is
to
be
expected.
F
L
I
I
I
Increase
I
would
still
do
do
that
because
all
happens
is
it
raises
the
cap,
so
I
can
give
those
people
three
percent
right
now
because
of
the
cap
placed
on
I
can't
give
them
an
even
if
you
create
the
three
percent
pool
like
have
to
stay
within
that
range
that
you
establish.
I
can't
go
over
that
other
than
in
the
case
of
longevity
and
in
the
case
of
the
Chiefs
they
both
have
longevity
of
six
percent.
So.
L
L
B
I
L
K
F
L
K
E
B
N
B
B
B
B
Example
today
I
saw
le
baba
the
guy
who
runs
Nasser,
who
runs
that
buggy
and
his
thumb.
He
talked
about
him.
You
know
he's
just
waving
his
arms
around
to
me
talking
about
how
much
of
his
business
was
affected
by
first
losing
two.
Today,
he
losta
over
the
weekend.
He
lost
a
propane
tank,
not
that
the
police
would
necessarily
prevent
that,
but
more
patrols
wouldn't
hurt
in
some
areas,
and
you
know
I
thought
I
said
oh
well
tonight
we're
gonna
talk
about
two
more
policemen
and
that's
what
where
this
is
going.
B
So
you
know
I
at
least
one
person
out
there
is
interested
in
this,
so
the
idea
was
to
find
a
way
to
fund
this
without
necessarily
cutting
back
or
even
sharpening
up
or
anything
else,
and
so
on.
The
mayor
brought
this
to
me
last
week
and
if
you,
if
you
had
the
paid
+5
dollars
and
you
can
see,
we
would
raise
roughly
with
a
five
dollar
increase
in
everything
and
the
biggies
are,
of
course
in
science,
where
it's
prohibited
with
forty
thousand
seven
hundred
and
with
covered
curb
twenty
four
thousand,
a
twenty
four-hour
parking.
B
Eighty
thousand
and
then
of
course,
expired
meter,
the
great
big
one,
two
hundred
sixty
four
thousand.
We
would
raise
an
additional
one
hundred
and
fifty
seven
thousand
two
hundred
and
twenty
dollars
that
would
pay
for
two
police
positions.
If
you're
willing
to
go
and
I
did
send
you
an
email
in
Wednesday,
I
think
as
I
was
leaving
town
to
let
you
know
that
this
is
an
active
proposal.
Now
the
arguments
would
be
and
I
know:
I've
had
my
occasional
parking
ticket,
but
I
and
I
know
how
annoying
it
can
be.
B
But
on
the
other
hand,
oh,
you
does
charge
by
$10
minimum
and
I
think
that
people
would
argue.
Some
people
have
argued
that
we
have
had
a
migration
of
cars
to
take
the
higher
tickets.
I
I
would
like
to
think
that
the
people
who
do
this
I
read
that
rationale,
what
I'm
not
sure
they
are
but
I'll
go
I'll
use
that
argument,
because
I've
heard
it
said-
and
it
sounded
good
to
me,
but
because
I'd
like
to
do
listen
and
so
on
and
so
forth
and
I.
Think
it's
just
time.
B
$5
is
a
paltry
amount
of
people.
I
know
one
of
my
former
students
had
about
a
$5
a
piece
I
mean
you
must
have
had
five
seven
hundred
dollars
worth
of
fines
when
he
left
town
you
had
a
chartreuse
Volvo,
so
he
was
a
target
at
that
point.
I'm
surprised
that
was
in
the
olden
days
before
they
had
the
computers,
but
every
time
I
see
him
I.
Think
of
all
of
this
fines
and
no
five
dollars
doesn't
seem
like
much
$10.
So
it's
a
box
of
natty
light
or
something
like
that.
B
You
got
to
think
about
what
the
possibilities
are
here.
So
I
would
like
to
put
this
forward
next
time
and
increase
the
budget.
I
mean
increase
the
have
gym
in
the
personnel
line
and
increase
the
officers
line
by
two.
F
A
Comments
slash
questions.
I
also
believe
that,
oh
you
not
only
is
the
ten
dollar
rate,
but
on
a
second
offense.
It's
20
and
I
certainly
think
that
we
need
to
be
in
line
with
at
least
their
base,
or
we
do
get
some
level
of
migration
to
our
spaces
as
opposed
to
their
spaces.
I'm
a
little
curious
as
to
why
we
don't
have
consistently
high
collections
on
all
the
kinds
of
infractions
is
that
because
the
computers
are
not
used
for
all
of
those
or
what's
the
the
reason
for
that?
B
I
F
I
For
example,
parking
then
10
feet
of
a
568
tickets
were
issued,
sixty
have
been
paid
now
and
that's
really
just
a
rebuilding
occurring.
We
also
have
a
policy
that,
if
you
receive
I,
think
it's
three
tickets
or
so
that
have
been
unpaid.
We
have
the
ability
to
tackle
an
additional
$5
handling
fee
onto
it,
says
the
Bureau
of
Motor
Vehicles
and
they
put
a
hold
on
the
next
time.
You
try
to
license
your
car
a
lot
of
those.
A
I
A
The
other
point
is
that
we
don't
do
this
every
other
day.
The
last
race
was
six
years
ago,
and
so
it
seems
appropriate
that
we
go
to
the
town
instead
of
you
know,
incrementally
racing
to
did
a
couple
dollars
here
in
a
couple
dollars
there
and
also
the
total
on.
If
we
collected
three
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
dollars
four
hundred
and
forty
dollars
that
would
more
than
pay
for
two
police
officers.
Would
it
not
with.
I
All
the
benefits
and
overtime
it
be
right
about
on
for
beginning
police
officers.
If
we're
experienced
it
would
not,
but
we're
not
even
if
this
gets
implemented,
and
you
wait
to
thirty
days
before
it,
you
know
comes
into
effect
and
we
put
it
in,
say:
February,
1
or
so
we're
actively
recruiting
police
officers.
There's
that
I
think
deadlines
passed
now
for
the
current
file,
when
the
next
step
is
the
testing.
But
it's
going
to
be
six
months
before
we
get
somebody
tonight.
A
I
And
run
the
background
checks,
but
we
have
zero
in
our
current
pool,
so
we're
creating
a
new
pool,
but
this
would
then
at
least
know
that
at
least
two
of
those
slots
for
people
to
pass
through
everything
would
do
it
again.
We
would
you
know,
but
we
always
have
a
pool
because
we
don't
know
about
when
people
retire.
If
a
disability
occurs,
so
we
have
to
have
a
pool
of
applicants.
Okay,.
A
I
This
is
based
also
on
the
assumption
that,
even
with
the
higher
rates,
the
incidence
of
occurrence
will
remain
the
same.
That's
hopefully
a
faulty
solution.
You
know
if
money
isn't
incentive
of
meaning
if
you're
going
to
get
hit
with
$10
fines
or
you're
parking
on
the
it's.
Just
like
the
same
thing
that
you
just
did
on
the
handicap,
from
100
to
250,
I
mean
you're
right,
your
thought
there
is,
let's
don't
issue:
46
handicapped
parking
tickets
next
year,
let's,
let's
cut
that
down
the
20
and
and
so,
but
so
in
some
ways.
I
N
N
I
D
The
person
who
we
just
raised
the
handicap-
fine,
my
issue
is
on
the
48
hour,
rule
I'm,
wondering
then,
if
we
do
raise
it
to
$10
so.
D
D
A
D
Just
very
hesitant
about
it,
but
I
mean
if
you
this
is
what
we're
talking
about
guaranteeing
to
more
police
officers,
which
is
obviously
has
been
a
problem.
I
mean
we've
been
hearing
about
this
for
or,
however
long
I've
been
involved
with
council.
You
know
prior
to
being
on
council.
So
if
this
is
gonna
solve
that
problem,
well,
then
I'm
in
favor
I
just
wanted
to
be
reasonable.
Let.
A
F
C
I
Fire
hydrants,
who
are
I,
mean
I,
can
get
you
a
list
of
evolved.
You
know,
what's
all
the
fines
amounts,
are
you
can
you
can't
really
get
it
all
just
from
Division
out
here,
because
did
people
pay
it
within
the
24
hours?
It
looked
like
you
know,
a
parked
vehicle
more
than
one
foot
from
the
curb
is
$20,
because
there
are
only
three
of
them.
$60
was
due.
Sixty
dollars
was
pays,
which
means
they
were
all
probably
paid
in
48
hours.
I
I
B
F
B
I
A
F
A
Some
cases
more
than
others,
there
are
a
couple
I
could
point
out
to
you:
we're
just
literally
they're,
just
parking
lips
smack
in
the
middle
of
the
front
yard,
and
that
we
have
a
lower
collection
rate
on
that,
and
these
people
can't
be
being
ticketed
for
parking
in
that
front
yard.
That's
not
too
far
for
me
because
they're
there
every
day
of
the
world
and
they.
E
B
Could
we
have
a
so
just
to
bring
this
around
cuz
I?
Think
Jim
is
more
stuff.
Could
we
say
$5
on
the
ones
that
I
mean
go
to
$10
on
the
ones
that
are
currently
$5
and
then
go
to
$10
on
those
that
are
more
like
parking
in
the
yard
go
to
30
and
well.
You
shouldn't
be
parking
in
the
front
yard
well,
but
if
you.
A
C
B
D
Okay,
well,
I
think
I.
Think
that
pause
I
think
that
Paul
brings
up
a
very
people
who
are
in
the
country.
I.
Think
Paul
brings
up
a
very
good
point
in
terms
of
you
know:
incremental
increases
for
the
fines,
I
mean
if
you're
just
gonna
attack
on
five
bucks
across
the
board.
I
mean
just
so.
We
can
I
mean
that
just
so
we're
gonna
bring
in
two
officers
we're
just
gonna
find
them.
I
L
I
L
I
In
that
way,
give
it
a
little
more
reflection,
I,
just
I,
think
for
the
budget
purposes.
If
I
know
it's
in
councils
of
10
and
I
see
that
they've
increased
the
staffing
levels
and
we've
included
this
money
in
the
budget,
at
least
for
say
six
months
in
the
first
year,
then
I
can
proceed
administrative
early
to
try
to
get
additional
police
officers
so.
E
I
Right
because
we
start
a
police
officer
to
about
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
or
so
under
the
current
contract.
By
the
time
you
add
in
fifteen
and
a
half
percent
for
retirement,
twelve
five
or
so
for
health
insurance,
you
have
to
outfit
them
all
the
you
know
uniforms
and
the
whole
bit
you
you
aren't
going
to
DC.
F
K
F
E
B
B
E
Any
problem
with
this
I,
just
you
know
just
want
to
know
that
if
there's
extra
money
in
terms
of
kind
of
paraphrase
I
have
no
problem
with
the
increase
of
five
dollars
across
the
board,
I
think
what
Debbie
was
talking
about
in
one
sense
was
the
idea
of
having
a
percentage.
It
goes
up,
but
right
sounds.
I
I
A
I
can
explain
a
little
of
this.
What
I
tried
to
do?
Actually
the
letter
was
from
the
Municipal
Arts
Commission
to
the
mayor,
recommending
that
the
coordinator
for
Arts
West
be
a
full-time
position,
and
if
you
look
at
how
this
is
configured
kind
of
the
bottom
line
is
the
basic
increase
to
the
budget
would
be
$20,000,
and
for
that
$20,000
we
could
make
the
coordinators
position
into
a
full-time
position
and
take
the
currently.
A
Oh
six,
the
reason
they're
August
is
because
that's
the
last
sheet
that
they've
gotten
from
the
auditor's
office,
so
they
couldn't
give
accurate
statements
beyond
that.
So
then
they
included
a
column
with
estimated
end
of
year,
revenue
which
is
the
fourth
column
over,
and
then
the
goals
407
is
the
final
column.
The
second
sheet
is
the
expenditures
406
and
it
basically
runs
down
again.
This
is
August
year-to-date,
so
the
the
figures
are
not
what
they
are
at
the
end
of
the
year,
but
as
of
August,
the
expenditures
were
40,000.
A
Basically,
it's
a
building
that
is
running
programming
with
a
half-time
coordinator,
and
the
intention
was
originally
for
that
to
eventually
be
full-time
and
I
certainly
think
that
the
facility
is
running
pretty
high
in
terms
of
what
they
can
accomplish
with
the
current
configuration
and
that's
why
that
the
goals
407
are
fairly
lofty,
but
they
feel
that,
with
the
full-time
coordinator
that
those
are
attainable.
Yes,
two.
A
Go
after
some
grants
in
terms
of
what
it
is,
this
building
a
loyal
audience
that
comes
frequently
like
if
there's
something
going
on
at
Mammoth,
there's
a
certain
expectation
that
a
certain
group
of
people
will
attend
that
so
that
audience
building
is
kind
of
a
technique
that
they're
looking
at
to
build.
The
the
success
of
the
facility.
C
C
A
L
A
I
I
I
I
think
that
it
would
be
I
think
what
Carol's
proposals
in
the
arts
Commission's
assuming
is
that
this
would
get
the
pay
range
of
a
recreation
program.
Specialist
I
think
I've
always
wanted
to
do
the
provision
that,
since
this
is
a
civil
service
position,
just
like
when
you
created
the
planners
position,
a
full-time
job
description
needs
to
be
melded
out.
I
We
need
to
then
send
that
to
the
personnel
director
who
would
go
through
the
normal
radio
and
we
might
find
out
this
is
a
pay
range
higher
or
lower
or
right
on,
don't
know,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
fair
that
what
we
do
this.
We
have
to
know
that,
if
we're
running
a
system,
that's
based
upon
certain
supervision,
knowledge,
you
know
and
responsibility.
That's
there
needs
to
go
through
that
system
and
doesn't
just
kid.
Oh,
this
sounds
good.
Let's
have
a
logic
behind
it.
I
think
that's
the
theory
of
you
know.
I
I
We
underwrite
that,
through
taxes
in
the
recreation
department,
pools
of
the
examples
of
that,
but
I
see
no
problem
with
that
from
a
philosophical
standpoint,
as
long
as
we
keep
within,
you
know
our
overall
range
and
we
continue
to
try
to
get
decent
money
out
of
this
from
the
standpoint
of
there
is
a
charge
for
the
arts,
just
as
there
is
for
swimming
and
all
the
other
programs
that
we
were
on,
and
it
should
be
fair
to
everyone.
No.
I
A
A
E
N
A
B
Then
the
other
question
is
a
more
general
question
that
I
have
is:
are
we
going
to
then?
We
have
1.5
FTE
here,
plus
the
support
from
from
cleaning
right
is
that
the
bottom
line-
1.5
F,
TV,
right,
okay
and
the
0.5
doesn't
get
benefits
per
se
right.
N
B
N
I
What
you're
going
to
see
is
probably
a
lessening
of
staff
members
because,
with
the
new
minimum
wage
of
685
I'm
not
going
to
be
able
to
pale
paint,
pool
aides,
515
and
our
basic
swim
instruction,
we're
gonna
have
to
up
those
and
so
I
think
we're
going
to
see
some
increases
in
our
costs
for
recreation
programming.
We
have
to
equate
that
into
what
we
pay
referees
and
everything
else,
because
if
it's
a
normal,
we
usually
pay
by
the
game.
D
A
I
It
depends
upon,
if
you
make
a
management
decision
to
say
well,
we
want
to
try
to
start
this,
even
though
we
won't
break
even
with
ten
students
say
and
our
break-even
point
to
twelve
or
thirteen,
but
it's
the
first
time
we've
ever
tried
it.
You
might
want
to
say:
okay,
I'll
run
a
little
loss
the
first
time,
but
you
have
to.
N
C
B
C
I
The
reason
I
wanted
to
do
that
was
that
the
community
center
isn't
supported
by
general
income
tax
funds.
Any
deficit
is
covered
by
the
special
funds
that
were
voted
for
the
community
center.
The
original
theory
thought
had
been
look.
This
is
just
like
being
in
the
community
center
when
we
didn't
do
it
performing
arts,
but
as
I
look
at
it
more
and
more
I.
Think
no
I
think
it
should
be
in
the
general
recreation
rather
than
you
know
where
it.
I
It
does
get
a
little
bit
confusing
to
keep
all
those
tags
are
on
there
for
the
gas
bills
and
because
they
are
two
facilities
and
we
still
want
to
use
the
88
object
code
so
that
we
can
identify
in
that
manner.
But
I
just
think
it
would
work
better
in
general
recreation
than
it
would
in
the
facilities
of
the
community
center.
I
E
L
K
L
L
Even
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
another
thing,
I
was
gonna
ask
the
mayor
to
talk
about.
Most
recently.
We
have
designated
estate
tax
revenues
into
a
separate
capital
line
item
that
was
accumulating
money
to
purchase
a
new
fire
pumper
truck
we
accumulated
over
$400,000.
In
that
we
have
expended
that
money.
The
truck
is
ordered.
The
truck
is
paid
for.
We
got
a
discount
for
early
payment
sometime
in
early
2007,
we'll
have
a
bright
shiny.
Will
it
be
red
of.
L
Mayor
is
suggesting
that
we
consider
doing
that
again
to
accumulate
the
estate
taxes
to
toward
a
project
that
it
moment
doesn't
have
an
object,
but
it
worked
well
with
with
the
pumper
truck
now
that
this
does
not
have
a
goal.
Just
we're
not
going
to
automatic
like
dumping
it
into
he's,
suggesting
we
don't
automatically
dump
it
into
the
general
fund.
L
L
L
L
A
And
I'm
going
to
pass
her
another
goodie
I
did
notice
that
last
year,
when
we
passed
the
Athens,
County,
Convention
and
Visitors
Bureau
contract,
it
is
a
three
year
contract,
but
we
only
funded
it
for
one
year,
and
so
we
need
to
put
through
an
ordinance.
My
suggestion
is
that
we
put
through
an
ordinance
for
that
the
remaining
two
years
of
the
contract.
One
of
the
reasons
we
didn't
do.
That
was
because
we
added
the
scope
of
services.
A
We
wanted
to
see
how
that
went
and
so
I
attached
the
scope
of
services
that
we
initiated
last
year.
I
also
personally
feel
that
we
should
support
this
additional
$12,000.
That
is
you
for
tourism
grants
historically,
council
was
awarding
those
grants
and
decided
that
there
were
too
many.
While
there
were
a
lot
of
reasons
to
change
that
and
it
took
a
great
deal
of
time
and
they
felt
that
sometimes
it
became
redundant.
A
B
B
With
Sally
dunker
to
do
it
and
it's
come
in
it,
I
enjoyed
it
because
she's,
a
wonderful
person
and
I
think
they've
done
a
good
job.
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
It
seems
that
we
have
gotten
things
back
for
the
Recreation
Department,
which
is
good
but
I'd
like
to
have
the
flexibility
I
think
for
the
future
and
do
not
tie
us
up
12,000.
That
was
it
again.
Next,
okay,.
A
H
L
A
C
Wait
here
with
some
more
frequency
from
the
chamber,
we've
been
getting
the
staff
reports
and
have
occasional
presentations
before
council
I,
specifically
because
we
keep
talking
about
Halloween
and
having
this
come
back
and
come
back.
It
was
placed
in
the
scope
of
services
for
tourism
and
for
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
that
they
work
with
the
citizen
groups
on
trying
to
deal
with
this
whole
event,
I'd
like
to
hear
some
kind
of
sense
of
what.
C
A
Page
personally
was
very
involved
in
that
and
if
you
followed
the
emails,
that
bill
complained
about
a
third
album
or
page
and
she
was
getting
things
on
the
website,
she
was
facilitating
project.
She
attended
every
clean
and
safe
Halloween
meeting.
She
was
very,
very
much
involved
with
that
process
and.
D
A
I
A
L
Last
quick
contract
issue
annually
we
enter
into
a
contract
with
the
Soil
and
Water
Conservation
District
to
provide
soil
testing
possibilities
for
citizens
of
the
city
water
testing.
If
it
became
necessary
for
individuals,
that's
a
12,000
dollar
annual
contract
it
it's.
It
is
an
annual
from
January
1st
to
December
31st.
So
we
need
to
renew
that.
We
need
to
authorize
the
mayor
to
re-enter
into
that
contract
again.
L
E
F
I
Wanted
to
pay
for
capital
items,
but
the
state
auditor's
office
has
said
to
us:
they
don't
like
transfers
from
the
general
fund
and
Capital
Improvement.
So
I've
been
budgeting
that
under
well
this
glass
case
under
the
fire
department,
capital
I,
would
probably
do
it
under
other
admin
or
something
like
that.
I
And
then,
if
we
have
a
capital
project
that
comes
along
with
do
it,
but
at
least
we
keep
it
out
of
the
temptation.
All
look
at
that
balance.
We
can
go,
spend
more
for
this
or
that
because
I
really
think
people
it's
only
putting
a
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
away
in
capital
improvements.
We
we
need
the
extra
ability
to
do
that,
because
there's
there's
projects
that
come
along
that
okay.
E
I
I
E
N
I
That
would
be
a
package
deal
much
like
we
did
with
Dame,
where
we
would
have
some
local
participation
and
then
the
state
would
also
do
part
of
the
loan
and
then
all
the
payback
would
come
to
us.
He's
not
done
with
all
of
the
detail.
Work
on
it
I
feel
that's
probably
going
to
happen
prior
to
the
end
of
the
year,
but
you
only
meet
through
about
what
the
18th
or
something
18th.
So
we
might
just
give
an
authorization
that
I
could
do
a
CDBG
application
for
revolving
fund
monies.
I
N
I
D
L
F
L
A
And
recreation
I'm
going
to
start
with
just
an
announcement.
Sorry
I
won't
forget
this
is
the
poster
for
the
Arts,
which
one
of
you
lived
there.
The
art
market,
this
Thursday
night,
that
is
going
to
be
at
the
same
time
as
the
tree
lighting
and
the
carriage
rides
uptown,
and
it's
basically
I,
don't
know
if
they'll
be
able
to
read
that
out
there
or
not,
but
it
says
the
getting.
A
There
we
go
hidden
treasures,
neighborhood
and
the
Athens
Municipal
Arts
Commission
previous
consent,
Athens
holiday
arts
showcase.
So
that's
from
4:30
to
8:30
this
Thursday
evening
and
they'll
be
carriage
ride.
So
long,
4th
Street
as
part
of
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
activity
with
the
tree
lighting
and
lots
of
the
stores
will
be
open
and
lots
of
activities
going
on
should
be
quite
festive
supposed
to
rain.
A
A
I
would
have
to
assume
his
position
is
similar
to
Raees
Watson
in
Madison,
but
what
I've
done
is
I've
gone
through
this
packet
and
and
just
made
a
few
things
to
comment
on
and
hope
that
you
will
take
some
time
sooner
rather
than
later,
to
really
go
through
this
and
begin
to
come
up
with
questions
that
you
have
and
send
those
questions
to
me.
So
I
can
get
on
them.
Ok,
so
we'll
have
answers.
A
I
also
Amy
set
up
a
conference
call
this
afternoon
for
several
Monday's
of
sweetie
Senate
to
just
kind
of
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
and
where
it
is,
and
they
were
very
fearful
that
we
were
going
to
pass
something
while
they
were
out
of
town
and
I
assured
them
know
that
we
were
discussing
things.
I
was
bringing
information
to
you,
but
there
would
be
no
action
until
you're
back
in
Athens.
F
A
A
F
A
Of
the
reasons
for
fencing
is
to
keep
possibly
dangerous
items
and
highly
intoxicated
individuals
from
entering
the
area,
the
admission
system
they
charged
five
dollars.
Obviously
we
could
discuss
that
and
how
that
what
great
we
might
decide
on
our
residents
with
who
live
in
the
area,
I
received
their
tickets
free
of
charge.
The
tickets
were
sold
in
advance,
some
local
merchants
sold
tickets
as
well
all
revenues
netted
through
the
admissions
infrastructural
health
help
offset
law
enforcement
class.
A
Now
they
did
modify
that
a
little
to
say
that
to
pay
for
itself
pay
for
the
fencing
itself
and
to
offset
law
enforcement,
cause,
entertainment
and
food
I
found
this
very
similar
to
what
we
already
have.
They
have
vendors
and
they
had
to
bandstands.
They
also
encouraged
additional
activities
within
the
fenced
area
as
long
as
that
entity
provided
their
own
funds
and
own
extra
security,
if
needed,
which
is
very
much
what
we've
talked
about,
including
that
the
heavy
planning
that
was
being
attempted
this
year,
that's
under
number
four
sponsorship
and
organizations.
A
They
also
talked
about
staging
areas
for
the
police,
something
that
they
have
been
doing
the
last
couple
of
years.
That
I
am
Not
sure
we
have
any
interest
in.
Is
they
basically
flood
like
the
the
area
to
what
I
would
describe
as
the
level
of
peden
Stadium,
so
at
dusk?
They
just
brilliantly
like
the
whole
area,
and
so
they
have
a
little
party
instead
of
a
party
in
cross-eyed
darkness
back
to
our
exits.
I
I,
don't
know
how
that
might
work
in
the
our
city,
but
there
might
be
some
cases
where
that
would
be
effective.
A
A
A
A
Yes,
the
expanded
glass
fan
a
very
interesting
thing
to
me,
because
I've
talked
to
people
for
the
last
couple
of
years
about
having
a
new
class
zone
and
the
distributors
didn't
want
it,
because
there
are
some
imported
brands
that
don't
come
in
last
bottles.
I
mean.
A
A
After
so
really
attractive,
yeah
right
I
think
it
would
be
fairly
easy
to
control
inside
the
fenced
area.
The
question
is
outside.
C
A
A
Then,
where
I
went
out
of
order,
I
skipped
to
the
one
that
says
legislative
file
number,
oh
four,
to
six,
for
because
it
is
an
amendment
or
the
one
that
you
just
looked
at
so
I
just
reversed
the
order
of
those
and
the
next
one
that
you
have
is
another
legislative
ìlook
item
just
how
they
work
the
financing
Nate
they
appropriated
to
the
police
department
and
then
put
that
these
different
things
would
go
back
into
the
police
station
or
police
department.
A
A
The
next
page
shows
some
costs,
the
fence
and
the
barricades
was
about
three
thousand
dollars.
If
you
look
on
here
and
then
the
other
things
that
might
be
additional
cost
for
us,
$4,000
for
a
purchase
and
printing
of
tickets,
$600
for
hand
stamps
and
pads,
and
then
it
talks
about
the
staffing
for
ticket.
A
A
So
that's
a
lot
to
kind
of
go
through
and
take
a
look
at
I.
Think
the
enforcement
of
the
glass
outside
the
the
fenced-in
area
is
an
interesting
one,
and
another
thing
that
we
might
consider
doing
is
just
try
that
the
glass
free
zone
within
the
fenced
in
area
initially,
and
then,
if
that
works
fry
in
a
subsequent
year,
to
go
beyond
that
Debbie.
C
Just
in
reading
it
after
I
asked
the
question
it
says
no
person
shall
possess
any
glass
container
on
city-owned
property
within
the
glass
free
zone.
So
I
think
that
pretty
much
means
like
the
street
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that
would
address
all
of
the
right.
The
issues
around
how
much
glass
might
be
out
there
right.
A
D
A
F
D
D
For
that
reaction,
battle,
think
I'm
picking
up
a
single
pop
bottle
that
night
Oh,
so
I.
Think
of
the
glass
is
certainly
good
in
terms
of
safety,
but
does
that
mean
what
other
bars
does
that
mean
that
they
well,
then
they
can
have
them
in
them.
Okay,
it
does
I
mean
like
if
we
do
do
it
outside
the
fenced-in
area,
then
at
their
houses
they're
allowed
to
have
glass
inside
I
would.
D
A
One
of
the
things
that
they
do
and
I
don't
think
that's
in
this
packet,
but
they
do
have
a
period
of
time
during
which
they
say
that
vendors
shouldn't
be
selling
glass
bottles,
and
that
was
one
of
the
discussions
I
had
previously
with
one
of
our
distributors
and
I
I.
Don't
know
if
that
would
fly,
but
I
can
ask
a
bit
more
about
that
and
the
period
of
time
that
they
restrict
the
selling
of
glass
by
did.
E
K
D
E
D
F
E
They've
got
an
open
container,
so
they
should
throw
it
away
right.
Yeah,
it
goes
the
glass
if
they
have
a
pop
bottle,
they
probably
shouldn't
have
either
so
now
they
can
toss
those
over
the
shoulders
to
to
get
out
so
they're,
not
violation.
So
I,
don't
know
how
are
you
gonna
keep
them
we're
back.
Your
enforcement
at
this
point
are.
E
A
K
A
F
A
A
E
D
L
D
If
we
are
talking
about
entry
in
the
front
where
the
bar
and
then
the
back,
if
you
want
to
come
back-
and
my
second
question
is
with
this
fencing
gating-
will
there
be
an
increase
in
officers?
What
we
need
have
an
increase,
will
it
be
a
decrease?
Will
this
help
in
terms
of
regulating
some
sort
of
security?
D
D
A
This
is
something
that
Tom
Pyle
has
been
very
anxious
to
see
us
support
and
I
think
that
he
and
the
police
chief
would
be
very
responsible
in
deciding
what
exactly
the
implications
are
in
terms
of
our
enforcement
and
in
where
plums
and
and
how
to
implement
and
how
to
have
contingency
plans
for
all
the
what-ifs.
That
could
happen.
B
Of
thought
that
came
out
of
my
reflection
on
last
week's
meeting
I,
don't
when
I
carry
on
too
long,
because
I
know
Amy
still
has
at
least
a
half
hour
to
talk,
but
I'd
like
to
see
from
the
clean
and
say
clean,
safe
committee.
I
would
like
to
see
some
notion
of
how
much
money
they've
collected
and
how
its
disbursed
I
think
that
you
know
we
get
bogged
down
very
early
with
that
inner,
the
bread
and
circuses
component
of
this
and.
F
B
I
think
that
we
all
we
just
get
back
to
what
their
issues
are.
The
acts
very
small
group
that
always
was
there
as
a
as
an
entity
and
I
think
that
to
go
to
your
step,
we're
gonna
have
to
deal
with
that
particular
entity
and
I
think
we
need
to
know
how
much
money
we
actually
provided.
One
of
the
stages
and
probably
they're
not
isn't
as
much
money
in
this
as
I,
would
think.
But
I
think
there
should
be
some
accountability.
It
should
be
public
who
contributed
and
where
did
the
money
go?
Okay,.
A
B
A
I,
don't
worry,
yeah,
I
I
think
that
perhaps
the
way
we
can
view
the
clean
and
safe
Halloween
committee
as
one
of
those
entities
that
proposes
additional
things
within
the
the
area
and
pays
for
it
out
of
whatever
they
do
right.
B
A
K
B
A
In
town,
assuming
that
they
make
money
and
I
think
that's
a
huge
assumption,
I
all.
C
M
C
C
B
E
F
A
B
A
F
D
A
Will
be
very
brief,
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
slight
update
on
the
the
bus
contracts
to
companies
were
invited
to
come
to
Athens
and
pitch
their
wares,
so
to
speak,
and
this
morning
at
10
o'clock,
MacDonald
transportation
was
interviewed
and
on
Thursday
morning
at
10
o'clock,
Laidlaw
transept
will
be
interviewed
and
that's
the
long
and
the
short
of
it.
That's
it.