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A
Good
afternoon
this
is
the
Thursday
September
21st
2017
meeting
of
the
Athens
City
Planning
Commission.
All
members
are
present,
so
a
quorum
has
been
established.
Are
there
any
individuals
out
in
the
audience
who
intend
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
today?
If
so,
raise
your
right
hand,
and
do
you
solemnly
swear
to
tell
the
truth
to
the
plastic
planning
commission?
As
you
know
it?
Thank
you
very
much
disposition
of
minutes.
C
D
B
E
Public,
this
is
a
title:
43
wireless
communications
review
modification
only
on
13,
East,
Washington
Street
in
Athens,
Verizon
Wireless
is
planning
to
upgrade
and
add
equipment
to
a
Newton
and
new
antennas
and
an
existing
34
foot
self-supporting
tower
the
total
height
of
the
tower
to
include
the
city
garage
as
104
feet
and
again
it's
located
at
the
top
level
of
the
city
parking
garage,
thus
to
request
involves
modifying
an
antenna
platform
on
the
tower.
No
changes
to
the
height
or
the
footprint
of
the
tower
will
be
made.
E
The
proper
supporting
documents
were
provided
for
the
structural
analysis
and
wind
foundation
requirements
at
the
review
of
the
documents.
It
was
determined
that
it
met
with
code
requirements
under
title
43.
The
applicant
is
Verizon
Wireless
agent
is
rich
Hanson
property
owners,
the
city
of
Athens.
The
location
is
again
13,
east-west
Reef
East,
Washington
Street.
The
zoning
is
B
to
D
and
the
estimated
value
of
improvement
is
45,000.
B
D
A
A
E
The
previous
application
is
title:
41,
16-0,
zero,
zero,
zero
six
was
for
the
construction
on
an
existing
building
to
compromise,
in
addition
and
alteration
for
the
Genesis
3
Mathers
building.
This
will
involve
changing
the
existing
one-story
+
basement
to
a
four
story.
Building
to
include
a
basement.
The
improvement
will
allow
the
basement
to
continue
to
be
used
as
a
prison
as
an
area
for
precision
imprints
the
main
first
floor
to
be
occupied,
retail
and
currently
Zoey's
and
passion
works.
The
second
floor
story
will
add
seven
bedrooms
with
living
areas.
E
The
third
floor
story
will
have
11
bedrooms
that
with
living
areas,
this
new
request
is
for
a
modifications,
/
change
to
the
site
plans
for
the
addition
of
one
apartment
with
four
bedrooms.
On
the
second
floor,
where
the
previous
plans
reflected
the
area
as
a
common
room
and
common
space
departmental
plans
that
are
Hugh's
myself
previously
approved
by
Planning
Commission
on
September,
1st
and
2016,
there's
no
change
in
the
square
footage.
There's
no
change
in
the
parking
requirements.
Total
spaces
required,
27
and
29
spaces
are
provided.
Dumpster
screening
is,
is
being
provided.
E
G
G
B
Just
want
to
make
a
statement
as
a
point
of
order,
as
the
reason
this
is
back
before
us
is
because
the
plans
that
we
approved
to
have
this
common
area
and
then
they
were
changed
to
to
increase
the
bedroom
units
and,
under
our
title
41.
It
states
that
that's
a
major
change
and
has
to
come
back
to
us
and
I
really
feel
like
we
should
have
known
about
it
in
advance.
I
am,
I
understanding
is
that
the
director
discovered
this
and
so,
but
not
that
it
matters.
B
H
Brayan
RBC,
architects.
Well,
we
started
in
September
of
2016.
There
was
no
intent
to
increase
the
number
of
the
bedrooms
or
apartments,
and
we
had
started
construction
on
that
in
the
course
of
construction.
The
owners
decided,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
evaluating
the
financial
part
of
the
project
that
they
would
there
be
more
bang
for
the
buck
if
they
converted
the
common
space
into
apartments.
They
never
brought
that
to
our
attention
at
the
beginning,
you're,
in
a
construction.
H
We
always
intended
to
go
back
to
the
city
with
that,
but
we
just
under
the
under
their
deadlines
that
they
wanted.
We
had
to
get
the
building
underway
started
if
you
guys
rejected
it
and
it
had
to
remain
in
the
Commons,
so
be
it,
but
we
had
to
get
going
on
the
building
to
get
it
completed
in
time
for
when
they
wanted
to
rent
the
space.
Is
that
so
it
wasn't?
Deception
on
anybody's
part,
I
mean
Mike.
H
B
D
E
D
E
F
I
An
accessible
parking
space
right
in
front
of
passion,
Works,
which,
through
my
lens
and
understanding
and
knowing
what
passionate
works,
is
their
clients
are.
We
should
have
done
that
a
long
time
ago,
but
that
all
said
that
there
is
now
an
accessible
parking
space
right
there
in
front
of
passion,
works
closest
to
where
the
curb
cut
exists
currently
to
get
into
my
Clara's
parking
area
on
the
sign
which
you're
looking
at
right
here.
So
it's
right
here:
okay,.
B
F
E
E
F
F
A
J
Are
Oh
strike
Jeff?
Yes,
so,
let's
see
I'll
just
start
with
pin-up
town
for
almost
12
years
now,
and
I've
never
really
had
an
opportunity
to
purchase
anything
up
there
via
that
24
West,
Union
22
or
where
our
kitchen
is
kind
of
within
the
unions.
Building
with
the
fire,
obviously
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
construction
that
came
with
that.
J
We
now
have
the
opportunity
to
it's
been
put
forth,
that
the
building
that
houses,
the
public
house,
which
is
22
and
18,
as
well
as
the
Union
which
is
owned
by
mess
the
properties
they're
willing
to
sell
rather
and
it's
great,
but
rather
than
complicate
my
life
any
more
than
it
hurt
he
is.
It
would
be
nice
to
separate
the
two
but
I'm,
not
sure
if
we
can
do
that.
I've
worked
with
Rick
quite
a
bit
on
this
one.
J
B
K
J
Estate
to
Mason
real
estate,
but
as
you
look
at
it
from
you
know,
for
standing
in
the
middle
of
the
road,
the
public
house
is
lower
than
the
Union
Building
and
then
above
the
public
house,
not
including
the
kitchen
that
used
to
be
its
own
building
its
own
piece
of
property.
At
some
point
they
were
combined
together
in
the
past
and
then
I'm
pretty
sure,
I,
don't
know
my
historical
dad
I'm
perfectly
up
there,
but
the
townhouse
in
the
50s
kind
of
took
the
half
of
the
downstairs
floor
of
the
Union.
K
J
K
At
least
so,
the
subdivision
of
these
splitting
separating
the
two
buildings
links.
Yes
splitting
those
and
I'm
not
sure,
but
you
may
be
able
to
have
I,
would
check
with
a
local
tour
an
attorney
to
confirm.
But
you
may
be
able
to
get
the
kitchen
area
designated
as
a
legal
encroachment
into
the
new
into
the
union's
property,
and
that
might
be
something
that
the
city
would
have
to
approve
as
part
of
the
subdivision,
basically
a
variance
from
her
subdivision
regulations
to
allow
that.
K
But
that
may
actually
just
be
a
civil
issue
too,
so
that
long
term
so
fun.
So
when
whoever
owns
whoever,
if
somebody
purchases
the
piece
of
real
estate
when
the
Union,
they
know
that,
there's
this
legal
encroachment
that
they
that
they
always
have
to
work
around
and
that
legal
encroachment
is
owned
by
whoever
owns
a
piece
of
real
estate
where
Jackie,
O's
I
think
that
might
be
the
easiest
solution.
That's.
E
Yeah
base
on
it
on
the
updation
of
the
auditors
site,
it
looks
like
we'll
have
to
do
a
with
the
DEP
ratio,
1
2
3.
It
won't
beat
that,
but
otherwise,
basically
you
draw
a
straight
line.
Anything
encroachment
would
involve
any
easements
between
the
owners
and
have
to
have
legalese
for
it.
But
from
our
perspective,
we
are
basically
dealing
with
the
property
lines.
Anything
Atkin
crouching
on
that
we'd
have
to
have
some
sort
of
easement
or
agreement
between
the
owners.
That's
what
I'm
understanding!
That's
what
I'm
thinking
we.
K
Even
if
we
were
to
prove
this
split
yeah
without
dealing
with
the
encroachment
issue,
there's
there'd
be
no
way
to
convey
the
Union
and
the
two
piece
of
real
estate
separately
to
the
Union
and
Jackie
O's.
You
could
not
convey
them
because
Jackie
O's
is
reliant
upon
the
Union
because
of
the
kitchen
and
so
there'd
be
no
way
to
get
clear
title
until
that
encroachment
issue
with
the
kitchen
was
addressed.
K
Everything's
fine,
as
long
as
mesta
properties
owns
both,
but
you'd
have
to
have
that
conveyance
that
encroachment
it's
no
different
than
if
you've
got
two
adjoining
property
owners.
Both
the
single-family
homes
and
my
driveway
just
happens
to
have
to
a
small
portion
of
my
driveway
encroaches
on
my
neighbor's
piece
of
real
estate.
I
could
not
sell
my
property
or
refinance,
or
do
anything
with
that
as
long
as
it.
Unless
that
driveway
encroachment
is
confirmed
and
also
agreed
with
the
adjoining
property
are
know.
E
I'm
sorry
go
ahead.
Having
said
that,
we
are
dealing
with
a
currently
with
a
piece
of
property
where
the
roof
tends
to
over
shed
on
another
piece
of
property,
so
they've
kind
of
notched
that
out
in
which
we
can
improve,
and
both
you
know
both
owners
agreed
to
that
so
and
it
doesn't
infringe
on
any
setback
or
anything
like
that.
E
I
I
ask
or
is
there
for
the
unions?
Let's
just
talk
about
the
union
portion
of
this
property.
Is
there
a
basement
associated
with
crawlspace?
It's
a
crawlspace
there's,
not
a
functional
basement
underneath
there
as
well
to
where
it
would
be
even
more
odd
in
terms
of
parsing
it
out.
If
there
was
a
basement
that
was
relying
on
by
the
Union
as
an
entity.
J
J
J
It's
kind
of
split
like
the
same
way.
The
first
floor
is
in
the
back
where
the
union
has
got
storage
on
the
smaller
side
on
the
first
floor,
and
we've
got
two
extension
of
our
kitchen,
where
the
bakery
is
kind
of
in
line
the
third
kitchen,
it's
all
in
the
plans,
but
you
know
before
I
go
get
the
verbage
drawn
up
to
split
them
or
to
have
verbage
that
might
make
sense
for
everybody
or
work
for
everybody.
I
just
wanted
to
tell
you
what
I'm
doing
sure
as.
I
K
österreich
a
portion
of
what
would
approve
for
the
split
it's
up
to
the
bank.
The
title
attorney
and
the
property
owners
to
figure
out
the
conveyance
to
make
sure
that
Jackie
O's
always
has
access
to
that
kitchen
or
they
may
say
you
know
you're
not
going
to
have
that
kitchen.
You
know
they
could
convey
without
that
agreement
and
then
the
Jackie
O's
has
no
access
to
a
kitchen,
so
they
either
have
to
stop
selling
food
or
build
a
new
kitchen
on
their
own
piece
of
real
estate.
K
J
E
K
K
Well,
I
would
think
the
auditor
will
will
bill
the
owner
of
the
Union
real
estate
and
they
will
build
the
owner
of
Jackie's
real
estate
for
that
piece
of
land
and
then
whatever
agreement
is
set
aside
for
a
certain
percentage
of
the
property,
taxes
are
paid
by
Jackie,
O's
or
whatever.
That
company
may
be
I.
Think
those
are
those
are
separate
issues.
K
You
know,
as
long
as
the
author
is
getting
paid,
you
know
they're
gonna,
assume
that
whoever
owns
the
land
has
to
pay
the
bill,
and
if
that
person
says
well,
no
Jackie
O's
has
to
pay
25%
of
that.
The
author
is
gonna,
say:
well,
you
you
leave.
We
have
to
pay
me
a
hundred.
You
figure
out
that
25
percent
I
think
so.
B
B
E
I
B
J
B
K
We
would
be
splitting
down
the
middle.
The
common
wall
between
Jackie
O's
in
the
Union
I.
Don't
think
we
would
be
only
wait
up
for
us
to
carve
out
a
portion
of
the
Union
Building
to
ownership
that
conveys
separately
I.
Think
we'd
actually
did
it
you,
you
guys,
would
have
the
structure
to
the
condominium
where
and
that's
a
really
complicated
legal
process.
K
I
mean,
like
we've
got
the
condominiums
on
Schaper
Street,
so
different
ownership
owns
different
levels
of
a
building
like
that's
the
only
way
that
that
could
happen,
because
a
lots
of
good
process
is
is
addressing
a
land
to
land,
not
the
building.
Now
so
we
sometimes
yeah.
Okay,
my
house
is
straddled
over
under
my
neighbor's
property,
but
I'm
actually
buying
land
from
my
neighbor
to
address
that
issue,
I'm,
not
asking
them
to
own
the
land
and
I
get
this
air
like
air
rights
or
something
that's
that's.
K
That
is
an
issue
between
the
two
of
them
to
work
out
at
the
time
that
they
want
to
purchase,
and
that's
not
an
issue
for
the
city
to
be
involved
with
that's
a
civil
civil
issue
so
that
everybody's
financing
and
deeds
and
all
that
all
lines
up.
That's,
but
that's
your
own
issue
I,
should
have
even
said
deed
there,
but
that's
a,
but
what
you'd
have
to
arrange
for
us
to
have
a
legal
encroachment
onto
the
other
property
owners
land
so
that
you
always
have
that
access.
K
You
always
have
that
encroachment
and
probably
that
in
code,
encroachment
should
be
for
the
purposes
of
operating
a
kitchen
or
property,
the
other
property
and
I.
Think
that's
it
though
otherwise
I
think
I,
don't
know
how
we
would
do
it
without
getting
into
questions
of
actually
establishing
condominium,
and
that
would
be
a
very
complicated
process
more
complicated
than
this
complicated
enough
having
a
kitchen
and
another
building,
but
yeah.
J
J
C
J
J
Our
property,
the
kitchen,
is
currently
this
line
kind
of
shoots
that
way.
This
is
currently
part
of
the
Union
and
because
it's
all
you
know,
110
really
building.
So
even
here,
the
actual
building
runs
this
way,
but
then
it
juts
there
before
continuing
and
that's
something
that
happened.
He
said
a
long
time
straight
across.
E
J
J
J
J
F
J
F
J
J
It's
very
complicated
if
what
what
makes
the
most
sense-
and
my
attorney
was
like-
hey,
maybe
come
and
talk
here,
because
we're
looking
for
advice
and
talk
to
the
fire
chief
talk
to
the
state
structure
and
value
who
does
the
area
you
know
just
trying
to
get
quips
and
answers
so
I
can
move
over
this
right.
I
mean.
B
C
J
Stairway
three
and
a
half
P
was
inside
the
south
side
of
the
bird
store,
building
situated
north
up
and
yada
yada
yada.
You
know
so.
There's
works
in
that
it's
happened
in
years
past
and
this
is
an
old
dated
agreement,
but
you
know
what
digging
down
some
rapidly.
That's
a
go.
K!
Well,
that's
something!
That's
happened
here.
The
buildings
are,
you
know
entirely
sprinkled
and
separated
from
within.
Our
kitchen
is
one
part
of
the
public
house.
There's
part
of
the
Union
today,
except
for
the
fact
that
we're
below
the
upstairs
half.
B
E
D
E
J
Then
I'm
worried,
if
you
know
I
love
my
neighbors
and
that's
all
great
and
we
all
get
along
just
great,
but
you
know
if
they're
out
here
we're
all
not
here
we're
just
trying
to
stimulate.
This
is
what
this
is
moving
forward:
I'm
like
okay!
Well,
what
makes
real
sense
and
I'm
with
you.
It
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
have
this
outside
of
the
building
other
than
the
fact
that
the
current
uses,
the
building
you
would
have
to
do
so.
J
C
D
What
I'm
saying
is
that
either
way,
even
if
we
did
the
notching,
that
was
create
complications
on
our
end,
but
you'd
still
need
some
sort
of
an
encroachment
agreement
so
that
the
upper
levels
of
the
Loom,
the
Union
Building,
would
belong
to
them
essentially
and
they
would
have
access.
So
from
our
perspective,
I
think
what
mr.
Sirois
and
mr.
Lowe
have
been
saying,
like,
let's
just
straight
lines
from
our
perspective,
handle
it
that
way
and
then
let
you
handle
with
the
encroachment.
D
D
Well,
we
talk
specifically
to
an
attorney
the
language
about
that
for
your.
You
know,
for
your
ability
to
access
that
space
and,
for
you
know,
future
property
owners
to
have
that
have
a
record
of
that
so
that
you
know
as
property
changes
hands.
You
don't
have
to
work
through
that,
but
I.
Think
from
our
perspective,
like
you
know,
we
just
need
to
look
at
the
actual
the
lines
on
the
property
rather
than
the
buildings
in
particular,
and.
E
G
K
Just
thought
very
briefly
to
report.
I
did
I
made
a
few
changes
based
on
our
meeting
last
month.
Some
comments
from
the
Commission
about
making
sure
we
clarified
site,
visit
special
session
and
work
session.
I
believe
if
I
did
add
a
few
sentences
in
I
forwarded
the
entire
document
up
to
our
law
director
and
requested
her
review.
She
they
were.
A
A
You
know
with
the
Genesis
3
building
there
on
state.
You
know
my
own
concern
is
when
you
go
down
West
Union,
despite
the
great
work
that
the
city
has
done
in
terms
of
improving
the
ambience
of
the
street
itself.
You
know
the
fact
that
that
new
building
really
does
tend
to
cut
down
on
daylight
on
skylight
that
really
comes
into
the
community
and
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
I've
mentioned
this
I
think
a
couple
years
ago
is
like
what
happens.
B
View
that
more-
and
it
might
be
a
nice
segue
into
the
planners
report
today
as
something
that
would
be
come
from
a
change
in
code,
because
right
now,
Genesis
med
code,
I
think
was
three
I.
Don't
think
think
was
three
and
a
half
in
that
area,
and
so
we
have
a
three
and
a
half
story
limitations
throughout
the
city,
but
because
we've
talked
about
ourselves.
B
A
I,
don't
think
that
parking.
You
know
the
fact
that
I
don't
think
that
that
in
itself
would
restrict
people,
because
the
Planning
Commission
in
the
past
has
been
open
to
the
idea
of
off
the
parking
at
some
other
piece
of
property.
You
know
or
some
other
lot
someplace
in
town.
So
you
know
those
are
the
things
I'd
really
kind
of
like
to
maybe
take
a
look
at
because
yeah
right
now.
If
they
meet
code,
we
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
pushback
on
that
right.
B
Again,
I
would
say
from
the
optimal
college
town
assessment
survey,
where
were
you
parking?
Was
that
all
over
the
place
parking
from
the
university's
perspective,
the
city's
perspective,
so
the
comprehensive
planned
visioning
session
this
evening
might
be
a
wonderful
opportunity
need
to
go
and
talk
about
those
kinds
of
things.
F
I
B
I
Well,
as
the
Athens
County
Foundation,
but
yeah,
this
is
this
kind
of
a
conversation.
This
topic,
I
think,
would
be
well-suited
in
the
next
20
years.
Companies
appointment
the
one
comment
on
the
parking
and
I
just
share
this,
because
I've
heard
from
property
owners
who
are
within
the
B
to
D
area,
on
Court,
Street
and
but
still
having
parking
requirements
in
those
individuals
on
the
flip
of
this
being
impacted
to
where
a
lot
of
their
tenants
don't
bring
their
cars
here
to
Athens.
And
why
would
you
if
you
live
within
a
block
of?
I
I
Since
someone
can
get
a
parking
space
for
fifty
dollars
a
quarter
mile
away,
you
know
they're
going
to
go
there
as
opposed
to
somewhere
right
in
on
where
they
have
to.
They
would
have
to
lease
that
space
for
three
times
that
amount
and
nobody
wants
to
pay
it.
But
again,
nice,
you
know
my
sense
in
hearing
this
is
that
fewer
and
fewer
individuals
who
are
renting
apartments
spaces
that
close
to
campus
don't
bring
a
car
to
the
city
of
Athens.
I
F
Sure
heard
this
before,
and
they
always
have
tenants
that
are
PhDs,
that
walks
talking
footed
from
between
3:00
and
4:00
in
the
morning
and
have
no
cars.
But
you
know
in
my
neighborhood
and
even
adjacent
to
my
neighborhood.
There
is
a
serious
parking
problem
and
people
get
really
really
frustrated
and
I
think
that
they
all
say:
okay,
so
I'm,
renting
to
an
old
person
that
so
has
a
walker.
So
he
doesn't
drive
so
I
don't
need
another
another
space.
But
what?
If
he
moves
on?
No.
I
I
K
Conference
apply
envisioning
session
is
this
evening,
starting
at
6:30
p.m.
at
the
community
center
rooms,
a
B
and
C.
It
is
open
to
the
public.
I
would
encourage
all
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
to
attend
if
they
can,
if
they
can't,
for
whatever
reason
we
will
be
offering
alternative
methods
to
participate
in
the
visioning
aspect,
it
does
seem
like
things
like
parking
and
height
of
buildings,
and
all
of
those
issues
are
really
important.
Things
to
address
in
a
comprehensive
plan
process.
K
The
only
other
thing
is
report
this
afternoon.
Rick
and
I
both
have
been
working
with
Sarah
Connolly
from
the
smoke
soul,
smart
program.
We
do
have
a
city
webpage
up
and
active
on
the
city
site
that
provides
all
the
information
that
they
have
done
to
meet
the
requirements
to
get
the
bronze
designation
and
we've
been
working
really
close
with
with
them
to
help
out
and
I.
Think
Rick
attended
a
meeting
yesterday
relating
to
installation
issues
and.
F
K
F
Woke
up
the
next
morning
after
our
meeting
and
I
said:
oh
my
god,
you
know
if
I'm
the
only
one
on
the
Planning
Commission
that
slot
method
or
whatever
it
was
you're
talking
about
I,
have
a
big
clock,
all
downhill,
but
you
know
putting
panels
on
the
ground.
I
mean.
Would
we
even
consider
that
unless
we
had
a
full-blown
analysis,
I
mean
it's
all
well
and
good
for.
K
Don't
have
a
good
answer
to
that
Rick
and
Rick
and
I
expressed
some
concerns
about
ground
mount
systems
and
single-family
neighborhoods,
specifically
sure.
That's,
that's
fine
I'm
really
indifferent
to
it,
but
we
said
that
we
think
will
be
concerns
with
that
happening.
We
were
more
concerned
about
aesthetic
issues
and
neighbors
having
problems
with
other
than
that,
not
a
good
question
or
a
good
answer.
K
If
we're
moving
forward
with
something
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
recommendation
from
soul,
smart
as
to
what
they
think
is
best
based
on
that
issue
and
then
the
Planning
Commission,
if
they're.
If
it's
a
question
of
zoning
issues-
and
we
want
to
move
forward
with
it,
then
those
are
discussions
for
the
five
of
you
to
have
and
to
pour
that
over
the
City
Council
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
going
to
dismiss
something
immediately
and
say:
that's
off.