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A
I
can
refer
back
to
it
later,
all
right
so
real
fast.
I
do
like
to
just
do
real
call,
so
it's
on
the
minutes.
Let's
see,
jenna
go
my
campbell.
A
I'm
sure
I
see
her
on
there
dave
johnson
hi
dave
lisa,
I'm
here,
hi
lisa,
scott.
A
Okay,
here
hi.
D
A
A
Hello
maui.
A
Okay,
ryan.
A
Jennings
ryan,
okay,
bill
bernardi.
A
Hi
bill
sarah
santa
I'm
here,
hi,
sarah
and
mike
did
you
get
in.
A
All
right
and
real
quick
the
meeting
protocols
and
this
one
will
be
a
little
different
because
we're
not
using
the
excel
chart,
but
we're
just
going
to
go
through
the
draft
and
I'll
probably
make
notes
on
the
draft
as
we
go
through
it.
Whatever
we
don't
have
like
a
majority
vote
on,
then
we
can
just
do
the
raise
the
hand
in
support
of
a
proposed
option
and
just
a
reminder
for
everyone.
That's
listening
to
our
advisor
group
discussion
today.
A
Only
those
that
I
just
mentioned
on
the
roll
call
can
raise
their
hand
to
vote
in
the
and
participate
in
the
discussion
when
we
do
participate,
as
always,
let's
just
be
respectful
and
supportive
of
everyone's
opinions,
and
I
do
encourage
everyone
that
is
on
the
advisor
group
to
participate.
So
we
can
hear
from
everyone
on
each
of
the
topics,
if
possible.
A
Okay,
one
more.
A
A
I'll
do
right
there
all
right-
and
this
is
again
different.
You
know
it's
not
line
by
line.
So
if
you
have
a
question
and
I'm
just
running
on
just
raise
your
hand,
link
and
watch
for
me
and
we
can
stop
pause
if
I'm
going
to
fast
through
any
of
this,
so
today
we're
talking
about
the
cottage
cluster
developments.
A
As
you
know,
in
the
development
code
we
already
have
a
cottage
code
development
section.
This
is
going
to
be
similar
but
different,
so
it'll
give
two
different
development
options,
eventually
for
a
applicant
to
propose
or
to
use.
So
one
will
be
the
cottage
development
that's
in
the
code
today
and
then
the
draft
that
we're
looking
at
today,
which
is
a
cottage
cluster
development.
A
I
did
do
some
amendments
to
the
definitions.
Cottage
is
already
in
the
code,
so
you
can
see.
What's
new
is
underlined,
I
just
need
to
reference
this
new
section
that
we're
going
to
be
creating,
and
then
I
cleaned
up
cottage
cluster
to
be
consistent
with
what
we're
doing,
because
we
have
a
definition
for
cottage
housing
development,
which
is
the
one
that's
in
the
code.
Today
I
put
in
a
definition
for
cottage
cluster
development
and
then
referred
to
this
section.
A
So
it's
basically
a
brief
description
and
then
it
refers
you
on
to
the
actual
section
to
get
the
standards.
Any
questions
on
the
definitions
looks
like
mike
and
then
bill.
F
I
A
Thank
you.
Well,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
based
on
the
standards
that
might
be
revised
a
little
bit
different,
depending
on
what
we
adopt
for
parking
might
be
a
little
bit
different.
They
are
limited
to
the
footprint
of
900
square
feet.
So
if
a
developer
is
looking
to
do
1
000
square
foot
single
stories,
they
would
not
use
what
we're
proposing
today.
The
oers
and
the
model
code
also
have
a
strict
addition
of
200
square
feet
that
you
can
propose
towards
a
garage.
F
A
E
Yeah,
so
the
current
definition
for
cottage
housing
development
indicates
that
individual
lots
are
created
for
each
cottage,
and
when
we
talked
about
this
at
the
last
meeting,
you
clarified
that
the
new
state
cottage
cluster
would
allow
either
individual
lots
or
a
common
lot
with
all
of
the
cottages
in
the
shared
open
space.
E
E
And
the
other
thing
is
in
the
definition
for
cottage
cluster
development.
The
third
sentence
is
really
redundant
where
it
says
a
cottage
cluster
development
may
contain
more
than
one
cluster.
That's
what
the
first
sentence
says.
A
And
that's
also,
I
believe,
in
the
standards
below
when
we
talk
about
clusters-
and
you
have
to
forgive
me
when
we
talk
about
this
one,
it
gets
confusing
because
it
is
called
a
cottage
cluster
development
and
there's
some
intermixing
of
cluster
and
courtyards
and
numbers.
So
as
we
get
through
it
ethan's
on
the
phone
too.
So
he
can
help
provide
some
answers.
When
we
have
them
all
right,
see
no
more
hands.
A
What
I'm
proposing,
because
cottage
cluster
housing
should
be
cluster
should
be
has
to
be
allowed
where
we
allow
single-family
developments
dwelling
units,
so
we
allow
single
family
detach
and
the
rl
rs
and
rm
we
don't
in
the
high
density,
so
I
did
not
propose
putting
this
in
the
high
density.
I
only
proposed
it
to
be
consistent
with
house
bill
2001..
A
Okay,
the
approval
process:
this
is
completely
different
than
what
we
do
today
for
our
cottage
code.
We
require
a
either
it's
reviewed
through
the
subdivision
process.
F
F
Oh,
it's
on
the
west
side,
not
far
from
college
way.
I
attended
that
meeting.
It
was
a
very
productive
meeting
because
the
neighborhood
provided
useful
information
to
the
developer
so
that
the
developer
basically
avoided
problems
down
the
road.
I
have
a
hard
time
understanding
how
that
neighborhood
meeting
could
be
construed
as
unreasonable
delay,
because
when
you
look
at
the
process
of
of
an
application,
it
doesn't
slow
down
the
application,
it's
something
that
can
be
done
quickly
without
adding
to
the
critical
path
of
a
project.
F
A
A
J
Yeah
thanks
pauline
yeah,
so
the
your
analysis
is
spot
on
in
terms
of
the
approval
process
that
can
be
applied
to
cottage
clusters
in
comparison
to
single-family
detached
homes,
so
that
process
at
a
minimum
should
be
the
same.
There's
also
nothing
in
the
rules
that
would
that
prohibits
the
city
from
adopting
an
alternative
path
that
is
not
clear
and
objective
to
the
development
of
cottage
clusters.
J
So
there
could
be
this
kind
of
two
path
system
where
one
the
the
property
owner
is
able
to
go
through
that
clear,
objective
path,
but
also
there
is
another
path
that
would
include
additional
types
of
neighborhood
meetings
and
review
process,
but
there
must
be
at
least
that
clear,
objective
path:
that's
identical
to
the
single
family,
detached
home
path,.
A
Okay,
so
I
sent
you
ethan
an
email
on
this,
but
I
think
I
figured
it
out.
There
is
a
density
minimum,
I
believe
in
the
minimum
compliance
the
oars.
That
says
you
have
to
allow
four
cottages
per
acre.
J
A
J
J
The
way
that
the
legislature
defined
a
cottage
cluster
is
is
kind
of
what
what
led
us
to
that
four
cottage
cottages
per
acre.
So
their
definition
is
means
a
grouping
of
no
fewer
than
four
detached
housing
units
per
acre,
and
then
it
goes
on.
So
that
was
kind
of
we're.
We
were
limited
by
the
statute
so.
J
A
J
B
J
So
this
is,
this
is
kind
of
talking
about.
You
know
what
actually
constitutes
a
cluster
of
cottages,
and
so
the
city
in
in
oar,
the
city
is
allowed
to
kind
of
set
their
own
minimum
number
of
cottages
within
a
cottage
cluster
and
we're
using
all
sorts
of
overlapping
terms
here.
So
I'm
sorry,
if
it's
confusing,
so
you
can
limit
the
number
of
cottages
in
a
cottage
cluster
to
either
three
four
or
five.
A
A
Okay,
lot
sizes,
so
here's
the
two
options
that
bill
identified,
that
as
in
the
definition
that
you
can
either
do
the
development
site
and
just
place
cottage
clusters
that
are
on
a
single
lot
or
you
can
break
them
up
and
have
individual
parcels,
which
is
what
we
would
primarily
see
on
our
current
cottage
developments
in
town.
So
if
you
did
a
single
lot,
I
referred
to
just
the
standard
lot
size
for
single
family
detached
dwelling.
I
believe
that
was
one
of
the
options.
Maybe
it
was
in
the
model
code
or
oar,
so
an
rl.
A
A
It
might
be
unlikely
that
you
actually
see
this
on
a
4
000.
I
I
don't
have
the
skills
to
draw
this
up,
but
by
the
time
you
put
the
houses
on
it
and
whatever
parking
we
come
up
with,
and
the
access
and
the
required
courtyard
and
open
space
you'll
probably
have
to
bump
up
that
lot.
So
it's
almost
like
the
development
standards
will
dictate
how
big
the
lot
will
be
bill.
E
Yeah,
so
I
actually
did
a
couple
of
sketches
because
I
was
curious,
you
know
what
could
you
get
on
4
000
square
feet
and
on
a
40
by
100
foot
lot
I
mean
it
just
really
didn't
work
with
a
15
foot
wide
courtyard.
E
You
know
and
setbacks,
and
but
on
a
50-foot
lot
you
could
get
three
cottages,
one
about
400
square
feet,
footprint
and
two
about
600
each.
But
when
I
did
that
I
looked
at
it
and
I
thought
well,
why?
Wouldn't
you
just
call
it
a
triplex
and
not
have
to
deal
with
the
requirements
related
to
the
courtyard
and
and
and
that
didn't
allow
for
any
parking
unless
it
was
under
the
units?
E
So
the
the
4000
seems
pretty.
You
know
it
seems
like
would
be
pretty
hard
to
achieve
and-
and
even
if
you
did-
I
I
just
really.
I
don't
know
why
you
wouldn't
just
call
it
a
triplets.
A
K
Hi
thanks
yeah
there's
not
a
lot.
You
can
fit
on
that
4
000
square
foot
that
that's
sort
of
a
typical
lot
size
for
doing
a
small
lot
subdivision
if
it's
a
single
family
home.
So
if
you
try
to
imagine
three
cottages
and
the
the
common
space,
it
is
a
little
small,
but
the
only
thing
I
want
to
say
triplex
versus
three
individual
cottages.
K
If
you
can
sell
each
cottage
separately,
it's
a
lot
more
valuable
than
trying
to
sell
a
triplex.
The
triplex
would
be
too
expensive
for
an
individual
to
buy.
So
there
might
be
a
reason
that
a
developer
would
prefer
to
do
individual
units.
But
I
would
agree
that
4
000
square
foot
is
pretty
tiny
and
I
don't
see
exactly
how
that
would
work.
A
That's
all
for
clarity,
kathy.
This
is
three
cottages
on
one
lot,
which
would
just
be
like
a
triplex
with
three
units
on
one
lot.
My
guess
is
they'd,
make
them
condos
and
then
sell
them
privately.
Like.
K
Yeah
that
makes
sense
anyway,
you
could
probably
bump
it
up
more
than
4
000,
but
I
mean,
if
you
kept
it
at
4
000.
That
just
leaves
a
lot
of
leeway
to
whatever
can
happen
so.
A
So,
in
the
oh,
a
or
yeah
the
minimum
compliance
it
says
that
if
the
minimum
lot
size
in
the
same
zone
for
single
family,
detaches,
seven
thousand
square
feet
or
less
which
ours
is
the
minimum
lot
size
for
a
cottage
cluster
may
be
no
greater
than
seven
thousand.
I
L
A
L
A
Per
unit
no
we'll
probably
have
lot
coverage.
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
to
have
far
okay.
A
F
You
know
sometimes
we
get
so
hung
up
on
one
stan
exciting,
exciting
standard.
At
a
time.
It's
going
to
be
very
interesting
to
see
the
next
meeting,
where
we
look
at
the
code
and
look
at
the
interaction
between
all
these
standards
to
really
be
sure
what
can
or
can't
be
done.
So
I
I
just
would
caution
this
to
not
get
hung
up
on
on
this
first
time
through
the
code-
and
I
say
that
for
my
own
benefit
too,
because
I
have
in
the
past-
and
some
of
these
means
get
hung
up
on
one
specific
number.
A
All
right
so
I'll
leave
it
at
four.
Unless
I
hear
any
other
comments,
okay,
then
we
are
going
to
talk
about.
Well,
let's
see
it
says:
the
development
site
must
meet
the
minimum
lot
with
depth,
standards
that
apply
to
the
detached
single
family
dealings
corresponding
zone.
That's
right
out
of
the
rule,
so
basically
4
000.
They
look
at
the
requirements
for
lot
depth
and
width
and
the
parent
site.
The
development
site
has
to
comply
with
that.
We've
used
that
before.
H
A
Okay,
so
also
no
lock
coverage
or
floor
area
ratio
requirements
for
the
cottages,
and
I
believe
I
should
have
taken
better
notes
on
this.
I
don't
think
you
can
propose
that
is
that
correct
ethan.
G
A
So
the
setbacks
and
building
separation
mic.
You
probably
noticed
because
I
put
a
note-
these
are
more
flexible
and
they
came
out
of
a
discussion
with
a
small
group
when
we
updated
the
current
cottage
development
in
the
bend
code.
A
This
was
a
discussion
with
developers
that
have
either
developed
using
our
code
like
audrey,
and
then
it
also
included,
I
think,
a
representative
from
hayden
who's
interested
in
developing
cottages
and
has
elsewhere
and
jesse,
because
he's
also
had
experience
with
his
hiatus
project
and
we
looked
at
what
were
some
of
the
issues
that
they
had
to
comply
with,
and
one
of
them
was
the
setbacks
at
that
time.
So
we
amended
the
bend
development
code
to
create
two
different
types
of
setbacks.
A
So
we
look
at
the
parent
site
before
it's
developed
with
cottages
or
the
parent
site
before
it's
actually
subdivided
and
those
are
considered
the
perimeter
setbacks.
So
we
did
the
10
foot
front.
Setback
like
we
do
for
a
single
family
home
and
then
the
rear
and
side
setbacks
for
a
single
family
detached
home
is
five
feet
and
then
the
interior
building
between
each
unit
is
six
feet
between
the
ease
of
the
cottages.
A
The
only
thing
I
changed
here
we
have
10
in
the
current
code
and
I
saw
that
the
I
believe
is
the
model
code
or
the
orers.
One
of
them
has
six
feet,
so
I
didn't
want
to
be
more
restrictive
than
what
was
proposed
in
those
codes
so
comparative.
This
is
what
the
model
code
said
was
front.
Was
ten,
so
we're
good.
There
sides
five,
but
rear
is
ten.
We
don't
do
ten
foot
setbacks
for
rear
and
side.
So
that's
why
we
used
five
there
and
then
this
was
where
they
had
the
separation
of
six.
J
Yeah,
that's
six
feet,
that's
six
feet!
Sorry
paulie
and
I'm
really
just
kidding
that
six
feet
is
really
pulled
from
the
building
code,
the
state
building
code.
So
that's
the
minimum
amount
of
separation
you
would
need
before
sprinklers.
I
believe
so
that's
what
we're.
J
E
Yeah,
this
is
just
a
brief
edit,
but
in
the
paragraph
before
where
it
says
perimeter
setbacks
use
the
abbreviation
chd
and
I
think
that's
been
borrowed.
The
other.
A
A
G
A
M
No,
it
was
allowed
to
be.
You
could
have
the
eaves
closer,
because
I
or
maybe
it
wasn't-
maybe
still
have
that
separation,
but
I
put
one
three
feet
to
the
line
and
the
other
one
further
off.
So
I
could
get
the
common,
the
outside
personal
space,
whatever
200
to
the
side
yard,
because
I
was
limited
on
front
yard
between
that
and
the
lava
outcropping,
and
so
I
biased
them
towards
one
closer
to
the
property
line,
and
I
was
made
to
move
that
to
five
feet
away
from
the
property
line
regardless.
M
A
I
Residential,
it's
it's
three
feet
from
the
property
line,
but
even
then
you
go
down
to
zero.
If
you
want
to
do
fire
rating
and
stuff.
A
A
A
J
J
So
the
on
sub
2
here
the
maximum
cottage
building
footprint,
is
900
square
feet,
so
the
bill-
and
this
is
probably
just
a
something
that
we
as
dlcd-
need
to
work
a
little
bit
better
on
just
communicating
it's
easy
to
say
it's
just
easier
to
say
that
the
maximum
building
footprint
is
900,
but
the
bill
actually
states
that
the
footprint
be
less
than
900
square
feet.
So
I
would
just
recommend
using
that
same
language,
that
it
can't
actually
be
900.00.
J
J
J
A
city
may
choose
to
exempt
200
square
feet
from
that
building
footprint
if
they,
if
they
are
interested
in
doing
that,
that
is
not
a
requirement
that
the
city
allow
that
exemption
for
a
garage
for
an
attached
garage.
So
in
a
scenario
where
the
city
said,
look,
we
don't
feel
like
that's
a
good
exemption
from
that
maximum
building
footprint
and
so
we're
going
to
cap
both
the
unit
itself
and
any
type
of
attached
garage
at
900
square
feet
and
call
it.
J
You
know
at
less
than
900
square
feet
and
call
it
good
or
the
city
has
the
option
to
say
you
can
build
a
structure
that
is
900
square
feet
in
living
space,
but
then
a
200
square
foot
garage
and
that's
fine,
because
we
were
exempting
that
200
square
foot
garage.
But
those
are
options.
That's
not
a
requirement
just
to
clarify
that.
A
And
for
this
group
I
had
sent
that
question
because
we
actually
exempt
400
in
our
code
today
and
the
way
I
read
it
is
we
can
go
up
to
200.
We
cannot
propose
a
400
foot
exception,
correct,
okay,
so
I'm
guessing
we're
going
to
do
the
200..
A
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
can't
do
any
more.
Let's
see
so
let
me
let
me
just
go
through
this
real
fast
and
then
I'll
get
to
the
hands,
so
the
average
unit
size
for
a
cottage
cluster
is
1400
square
foot
per
drawing
unit,
which
I
think
this
is
adds
a
lot
of
flexibility,
because
you
can
have
some
smaller
ones,
some
larger
ones,
as
long
as
the
average
is
1400.
A
Does
that
I
don't
know
if
I
explained
that
well,
but
if
we
don't
get
the
units
up
front
and
we
have
plan
planning
text
or
building
tax,
reviewing
the
cottages
through
the
building
permits
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
go
back
and
track
the
square
footages
that
have
been
submitted
over
the
past
couple
years
for
the
cottages
and
decide.
If
this
is
okay,
kathy.
K
Thanks,
I
initially
raised
my
hand
and
ethan
pretty
much
answered
it,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
the
900
square
feet
didn't
include
a
one-car
garage
garage.
K
A
J
And
then
another
piece
on
that
too,
is
it's
a
200
square
foot
exemption,
so
a
property
owner
could
go
in
and
build
a
two
stall
garage.
They
just
can
only
exempt
the
two
200
square
feet
from
that
calculation
of
900.,
so
the
other
portion
of
that
the
remaining
portion
goes
into
that
900
maximum.
That
makes
sense.
M
But
the
main
thing
was
when
I
looked
at
the
average
square
feet,
two
thoughts
came
up
one
similar.
What
pauline
was
saying
is
well.
If
you
I
mean,
let's
say:
even
if
you
could
track
it,
then
you
could
have
a
cluster
of
homes
where
the
first
one
essentially
to
add
on
gets
the
benefit.
And
then,
if
you
cannot
add
on
for
a
while,
you
could
be
stuck
not
being
able
to
which
seems
like
a
kind
of
odd
situation.
M
I
really
love
the
idea
of
being
able
to
average
it
out
if
you're
doing
it
all
up
front
and
that
can
really
be
advantageous,
but
also
I
was
always
wanting
to
do
clusters
where
it
gave
people
the
opportunity
to
build
small
homes
on
individual
lots
in
a
community,
and
this
would
mean
you
really
couldn't
do
that,
because
you
aren't
going
to
know
what's
going
on
each
of
those
lots
and
I'm
not
really
sure
how
to
address
that.
But
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
thought
up.
F
Several
things
I
want
to
give
audrey
a
suggestion:
I
remodeled
a
commercial
building
and,
as
we
started,
leasing
out
spaces,
we
knew
that
the
code
only
allowed
us
a
certain
amount
of
square
footage
total
for
the
whole
building,
so
the
first
one
in
if
they
stuck
the
monster
sign
up
what's
left
over
for
the
second
or
the
third
of
the
fourth
tenant.
F
So
as
a
landlord
as
an
owner,
we
had
to
go
in
and
say
you're
going
to
be
limited
by
a
certain
amount
of
square
footage
on
your
sign.
So
you
don't
steal
from
somebody
else,
so
if
there
is
a
condition
that
well,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
something
that
could
be
conditioned.
Or
is
this
just
good
best
management
practices
for
the
developer
is
don't
give
away
the
farm
to
the
first.
Guy
second
thing
is
the
1400
square
foot.
F
F
Then
I
remember
the
conversation
last
week
where
kathy
seemed
to
be
real
concerned
with
bill's
idea.
Let's
just
do
one
parking
space
across
the
board.
It
seemed
like
cathy
agreed
that
there
would
be
some
number
of
bedrooms
where
you
have
to
apply
a
little
common
sense.
This
is
really
not
probably
even
up
for
discussion
today,
since
parking
probably
will
be
tabled,
but
down
the
road.
Remember
you
can
put
the
half
of
that.
Duplex
is
less
than
1400
square
feet.
It
has
four
bedrooms,
so
that's
it.
H
K
Yeah
to
answer
audrey's
concerns
if
you're
not
wanting
to
develop
the
entire
cottage
cluster
at
one
time,
I
think
you
can
on
each
lot
indeed
record
a
maximum
size
that
a
unit
could
be
on
each
slot
and
that
way
you
can
as
you
design
it.
You
know
if
you
have
a
smaller
lot,
you
have
a
smaller
square
footage
associated
with
that
particular
lot
and
larger,
and
you
know
you're
going
to
have
to
lay
out
your
lots
and
your
subdivision
with
specific
dimensions.
So
I
think
you
can
you
can
address
the
issue.
K
A
Average,
so
I
will
I'm
going
to
ask
kathy
or
our
staff
if
that
is
an
option,
because
we
don't
the
the
plan
texts,
don't
I
don't
think
track
deeds
to
see
how
big
a
lot
can
be,
what
we
possibly
could
do
and
with
the
new
city
view
again,
I
need
to
ask-
is
if
we
can
put
a
flag
on
these
lots
that
are
created.
E
Yeah
two
two
thoughts,
one
on
the
topic
that
was
just
being
discussed.
It
seems
like
you,
can
offer
an
option.
You
could
say:
either
you
can
submit
the
entire
plan
up
front
and
average
it
or,
if
you're
doing
it
one
at
a
time,
then
here's
a
maximum.
E
But
my
my
question
really
is
about
the
1400
square
feet.
I
see
that
that
came
out
of
the
model
code,
but
I
have
no
sense
of
what
that's
based
on
or
related
to.
Why
not
1200?
Why
not
1500?
Where
did
that
come
from
or
what
what's
the
rationale
for
it.
J
Yeah,
so
basically,
you
know
the
conversation
about
cottage
clusters,
the
the
intent
behind
these
types
of
units
that
they're
typically
smaller.
Hence
the
building
square
footage
or
sorry,
the
building
footprint
limitation.
We
were
going
through
the
rulemaking
process.
Did
we
want
to
allow
basically
a
bunch
of
1800
square
foot?
You
know
two-story
900
square
foot,
building
footprint
homes
in
a
cottage
cluster
that
doesn't
really
seem
like
a
cottage
anymore,
and
so
really
the
1400
was
was
born.
B
J
J
Yeah
but
so
1400
square
feet
and
a
total
dwelling
and
then
900
square
foot
is
kind
of
the
maximum.
Well
less
than
900
square
foot
is
the
maximum
for
the
building
footprint.
So
if
your
story
of
that
900
square
foot,
you
get
1800
yeah.
A
That's
correct,
so
I
don't
see
any
more
hands
raised.
I
did
hear
a
little
couple
comments
about
the
1400s,
so
we're
gonna
do
a
poll.
So
what
I've
my
notes
before
we
do.
That
is
two
options.
One
you
can
provide
the
averages
up
front
during
the
application
review.
A
You
can
just
say
we're
just
going
to
do
a
maximum
of
1400
on
each
lot
and
then
I'll
check
in
on
kathy's
suggestion
on
deed
restrictions
and
whether
or
not
we
can
flag
like
if
they
they
don't
provide
the
actual
plans
as
part
of
the
application
up
front.
Can
they
just
say
lot?
One
gets
nine
hundred
lot.
Two
gets
eleven
hundred
lot.
Three
gets
whatever
you
know.
We
just
track
it.
That
way.
My
sense
is
we
can
it's
just.
N
Pauline,
so
I
think
I
just
heard
you
say
that
we
were
allowed
to
set
a
maximum,
but
we
weren't
required
to
set
a
maximum.
Is
that
correct?.
A
Right,
the
the
minimum
compliance
or
the
oars
says
the
city
may
limit
the
maximum
or
I'm
sorry.
The
city
may
limit
the
minimum
or
maximum
size
of
dwelling
units
in
a
cluster,
but
must
apply
the
maximum
building
footprint
of
900
square
feet
per
dwelling
unit.
Okay,.
N
So
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
would
it
be
okay
for
us
just
to
set
the
footprint
is
900
but
not
have
the
1400.
N
A
A
900
square
foot
footprint
plus
a
200
square
foot
garage
so
then
you're
at
1100,
so
you
could
get
a
2200
square
foot
plus
unit
on
these
small
lots,
but
if
the
group
is
supportive
of
that
that
that
is
something
we.
According
to
my
read
of
the
minimum,
compliance
is
an
option.
I.
N
K
Yeah
you're
going
to
be
surprised,
but
I'm
going
to
say.
I
think
there
is
a
reason
pretty
much
as
been
explained
in
terms
of
the
cottages
having
sort
of
a
more
of
a
story
and
a
half
type
of
look
as
opposed
to
straight
up
1800.
It
seems
like
that
would
be
too
much
in
a
cottage
cluster
for
me,
too
much
square
footage,
but
that's
just
my
opinion.
K
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
if
the
idea
of
having
1400
square
feet
is
a
average,
then
if
the
option
is
for
every
lot
to
be
1400,
that
doesn't
quite
make
sense
to
me.
It
seems
like
that's
too
large
and
I
would
be
open
to
another
number
there
to
me,
but
I
don't
have
a
specific
number
in
mind
and
you
know
I'm
not
wedded
to
the
1400,
but
you
know
basically:
you'd
have
a
900
square
foot
first
floor
and
a
500
square
foot
second
floor.
It's
fine!
But
anyway
I
I
do.
K
A
K
K
Yeah
you're
trying
to
get
smaller
units
and
larger
units,
and
so
the
if
everything
is
the
same,
it
should
be
a
smaller
number
than
the
the
average
whatever
you
think.
That
should
be
good.
F
Point
mike,
I
kind
of
agree
with
kathy
that
we
need
to
be
careful
that
we're
not
always
focusing
how
do
we
maximize
the
flow
area
in
every
building
on
every
project
that
we're
looking
at
when
I
think
of
a
cottage
project,
I
think,
back
about
19
years
ago
I
went
to
a
cottage
project
built
here
in
bend
just
opened.
It
was
an
open
house,
wonderful
project,
the
all
the
units
were
about
a
thousand
square
feet.
The
open
space
was
completely
surrounded
by
these
eight
or
nine
different
cottages.
F
The
garages
were
all
there
was
one
car
garage,
a
bank
of
them.
It
was
to
me
the
true
meaning
of
a
of
a
you're
trading,
a
small
community,
where
you
have
some
open
space
you're,
not
in
the
shadow
of
tall
buildings,
tightly
spaced.
It
was
it
it's
still
there,
it's
off
of
monterey,
pines
or
monterey
views.
F
If
we
will
have
another
chance
to
look
at
this
down
the
road
on
the
second
review,
people
should
go.
Look
at
that
project
and
get
an
understanding
of
what
I
think
a
developer.
He
could
have
done
more.
He
could
have
done
bigger
buildings.
He
could
have
done
townhouses,
but
he
just
wanted
to
do
a
small
community
of
small
1
000
square
foot
units.
F
It
it's
right
below
college,
where
you
as
you're,
going
okay,
okay,
honorary
pine-
I
think
it's
a
street.
They
did
a
private
street
called
monterey
muse
in
ews,
there's
actually
two
different,
two
different
cottages,
one
uses
1
000
square
foot.
The
other
project
went
a
little
bit
bigger
units
close
to
1500.
So
you
can
look
at
the
two
and
get
a
sense
of
oh.
Those
are
bigger.
Those
are
smaller.
It's
a
good!
You
go
one
place.
You
can
see
both.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
and
I
don't
know
if
those
are
approved
under
our
cottage
code,
but
they
sure
do
reflect
the
the
intent
of
a
cottage
development,
yeah.
F
A
Yep,
I
agree.
Audrey
sorry
mike
go
ahead.
C
C
Yeah,
oh,
I
said
I
said
here.
Maybe
you
didn't
hear
me
anyways
with
with
the
maximum
square
footage
thing.
You
know
we
we
build
really
small
spaces
as
well,
but
what
I'm
finding
is
you
know
our
product
only
works
for
like
a
single
or
a
couple,
or
maybe
a
couple
with
a
kid
and
that's
what
our
our
newer
houses
we're
doing,
that
are
at
900
square
feet
of
livable
space.
C
The
only
argument
to
like
give
a
little
bit
more
square
footage
for
this
is
to
have
dense
housing.
That's
also
good
for
someone
who
has
a
couple,
kids,
you
know,
and
and
at
1800
square
feet.
You
know
the
average
house
size
in
america.
I
think,
is
it's
over
2
000
square
feet,
so
anything
that's
a
little
bit
lower
is
still
going
to
be
a
benefit
and
then
you're
opening
up
to
like
another
demographic
aside
from
you
know
singles
or
couples.
C
That
would
be
my
only
argument,
for
you
know
just
throwing
a
couple.
It's
only
another
200
square
feet.
I
think
right
anyways,
that's
that's
my
opinion
on
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
jesse
audrey
and
it's
scott.
M
M
Another
thing
is
how
I'm
not
sure
how
garages
on
a
on
the
common
lot
work
with
these
square
feet
requirements.
I
love
the
monterey
muse
monterey
pines
whole
development.
M
I
wanted
to
apply
that
to
the
james
drive
one
and
ran
up
against
issues
with
it,
because
I
love
the
way
they
do
just
the
the
easy
driveway,
with
the
roll
up
curb
for
parking
off
to
the
sides.
It
works
really
really
well
and
for
some
reason
there
were
hang-ups
on
that
when
I
tried
to
develop
james
drive.
So
I'm
afraid
I
don't
have
the
specifics
on
that.
But
it's
just
something
to
look
at
of.
B
B
You
know
maybe
a
larger
family
or
a
home
office,
or
something
like
that
as
people
work
from
home
more
and
if,
if
these
are
getting
built,
I
mean
right
now,
if
they're,
if
they're
getting
built
without
maximizing,
then
you
know
it
shows,
maybe
that
it's
not
always
the
incentive
to
build
out
a
rectangular
box.
I.
B
There's
there's
a
fear
of
of
these
becoming
kind
of
large
buildings
that
might
deviate
from
what
we
would
think
of
as
a
cottage
cluster,
but
yeah.
L
B
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
maybe
a
little
bit
leaning
towards
not
not
having
that
that
square
feet
per
dwelling
unit.
You
know,
besides
the
footprint
on
these.
M
Yeah,
no,
that
was
a
really
good
point.
In
fact,
I
I
like
that
idea
because
again
we're
looking
at
development
options
and
although
it's
developed
more
to
get
those
smaller
structures,
it's
a
great
community
feel
which
I
think
we
need
a
lot
more
of
anywhere
anyway,
regardless
of
the
demographic
that
it's
serving.
So
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
A
A
A
Jesse
can't
raise
his
hand.
Okay,
did
you
want
to
say
whether
or
not
you
support
no
maximums
or
not.
A
H
Okay,
okay,
how
about,
I
think,
we're
getting
a
mixing
now.
So,
if
you
support
no
maximums,
please
lower
your
hand
and
those
of
you
who
support
having
the
maximum
raise
your
hand.
Okay,
I
think
it's
coming
together.
H
It
looks
like
we
have
two
supporting
maximums
three
three
supporting
maximums
four
four.
H
A
So
what
we're
what
will
be
in
the
draft,
then,
is
no
maximums.
A
Any
comments
on
this
scott
and
then
kathy
and
then
bill.
B
A
B
J
No
and
yeah,
I
understand
the
disappointment
there,
but
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
that
exemption
for
the
attached
garage
exists,
because
without
that
I
mean
you're.
Looking
at
700
square
foot
footprint,
which
seems
pretty
difficult
to
actually
get
something
built
that
small
and
sell
it.
K
Yeah,
so
I'm
switching
over
to
the
building
height
issue,
and
I
would
recommend
that
we
just
leave
it
at
two
stories
and
not
call
out
a
specific
number.
I
I
know
we're
not
really
done
with
our
discussion
about
height
and
how
we
measure
it.
But
let
me
explain
to
the
group
that
if
you
want
to
have
a
very
steep
pitch
roof,
it's
a
certain
look,
a
traditional
look.
The
ridge
might
slightly
exceed
25
feet
depending
on
how
the
building
is
organized.
K
A
A
E
E
One
of
the
big
issues
I
think
we
should
be
trying
to
aim
for
here
is
some
compatibility
within
neighborhoods
and
and
height,
is
one
of
the
things
that
helps
gain
some
compatibility,
but
I
think
the
same
formula
ought
to
be
used
for
all
types
of
housing.
It
shouldn't
be
different
approaches
for
each
different
type
of
housing.
A
I
think
it's
just
the
attempt
to
keep
it
more
as
a
cottage
development.
But
if
the
group
is
interested
in
consistency
versus
a
restricted
height,
that's
something
we
can
discuss.
E
I
mean
I,
I
agree
with
that
notion
of
it
being
a
community
that
has
a
little
bit
different.
Look.
That's
that's
why
I
voted
to
have
the
I
mean
once
ethan
explained
where
they
got
the
1400
square
feet
from.
I
thought.
Okay.
That
sounds
like
a
reasonable
explanation,
but
you
know,
if
you
can
do
two
stories
at
any
height,
then
you
know
you
theoretically
could
end
up
with
structures
that
look
pretty
different
than
everything
around
them.
So
I
don't
know
I
I'm
just
a
fan
of
sort
of
consistency
here.
E
A
And
bill
I
mean
you're
correct
in
that,
because
in
our
cottage
I
was
just
looking
at
our
excel
chart.
Our
cottage
development
in
the
bend
development
code
today
uses
the
30
30
feet
for
rs
and
rm,
and
then
we
have
that
1998
thing
in
there
which
I'll
take
out
but
35
feet
for
rm.
So
the
the
cottage
development
in
the
bend
code
today
will
match
what
we
allow
for
duplexes
triplex's
houses.
A
So
we
can
make
this
one
match
if
there's
support
for
that,
or
it
can
be
the
more
restrictive
of
25
feet.
It's
completely
up
to
this
group.
F
Muted
well
yeah,
I
like
I,
was
looking
at
the
code
was
you
were
looking
at
the
code
and
I
was
thinking
the
other
code
for
cottages.
The
college
housing
30
was
to
prevent
them
from
doing
the
three
stories,
and
I
picture
that
project
under
construction
behind
my
commercial
project
and
I'm
just
would
be
shocked
to
see
wow.
That
would
give
that
such
a
different
feel
if
they
had
elected
to
go
three
stories.
F
B
Yeah,
I
agree
with
bill
on
this
one,
making
it
more
consistent
and
not
and
not
have
different
requirements
for
each.
You
know
different
different
types
of
development,
I
think
is,
I
think,
is
good,
and
I
also
agree
with
with
kathy,
of
course
about
how
you
know
the
the
way
that
we
measure
the
height
based
on
the
ridge
kind
of
kills
the
612
pitches
or
houses.
That
might
be
a
little
bit
wider.
I
mean
it's
a
little
restrictive,
but
I
do
if,
if
that
gets
changed
down
the
road,
then
it's
easier.
B
It's
nice
to
have
certain
certain
areas
that
have
a
different
feel
or
look
to
them,
but
I
think
when
we
try
and
regulate
that
by
baking
it
into
the
development
code
it
starts.
It
starts
to
get
a
little
bit
based
on
kind
of
someone's,
more
design
opinion
and
and
not
necessarily,
I
I
just
think
it's
based
on
more
design
opinion.
That's
maybe
not
the
best
way
of
doing.
I
A
Okay,
so
I
think
I
heard
unless
I
see
another
hand,
come
up
pretty
much
support.
We
haven't
heard
from
lisa:
did
you
have
any
input
or
karna.
A
A
A
So
the
model
code
would
be
one
off
street
parking
space
per
cottage.
Cluster
project
is
zero
spaces
per
unit
with
floor
area
less
than
a
thousand
square
feet,
and
then,
if
they
were
more
than
a
thousand
square
feet,
then
you
get
one
space
per
unit
and
then
the
oars
is.
You
may
not
require
more
than
one
off
street
parking
space
per
dwelling
unit
in
a
cottage
cluster,
so
it'd
be
one
per
unit.
H
J
This
will
depend,
I
think,
on
how
the
city
anticipates
defining
a
kind
of
floor
area,
especially
if
the
city
decides
to
go,
or
this
group
decides
to
go
with
the
a
as
it's
listed
here
and
not
the
bolted
option,
because
there
is
that
900
or
that
200
square
foot
exemption
from
the
building
footprint,
so
just
matching
up
definitions.
That
was
my
only
comment
when
you
sent
this
over
pauline.
A
J
A
Okay-
and
I
think
it
does
for
our
sake-
another
issue
I
see
with
this
one
is:
if
well
wait.
We
put
no
maximum,
so
we're
not
gonna,
I
was
gonna
say
if
we
had
a
maximum
or
we
were
doing
the
averages
on
the
size
of
the
units,
we
wouldn't
always
know
the
size.
So
then
the
thousand
would
be
hard
to.
A
F
Thank
you.
I
think
you
all
should
remember
that
one
duplex
I
pointed
out
on
9th
street,
and
I
tried
to
show
that
it
had
eight
bedrooms
and
there
were
seven
cars
being
parked
for
just,
though
that
one
duplex
just
for
a
out
of
curiosity,
though
a
lot
of
those
lots
in
that
part
of
the
bin
are
6
000
square
foot
lots.
F
I
took
that
duplex
cut
it
down
the
middle
and
created
a
bunch
of
buildings
that
fit
the
criteria
that
we've
just
all
agreed
to
so
far.
Today
I
could
put
four
of
those
on
one
of
those
existing
square:
six
thousand
square
foot
lots
and
there's
there's
going
to
be
as
many
as
nine
cars
looking
for
a
place
to
park.
If
it's
all
rented
out
to
young
adults
who,
yes
most
young
adults,
do
have
a
car.
I'm
just
pointed
out
that
there
are
going
to
be
consequences.
F
There
are
going
to
be
consequences
where
they're
going
to
start
parking
well
beyond
their
house
and
start
to
fill
up
some
of
our
small
streets,
our
narrow
streets,
and
it's
not
just
an
exception,
there's
actually
another
one,
just
like
it
built
in
the
same
block.
The
same
developer
built
two
of
these.
So
we
just
need
to
bear
in
mind
what
the
consequences
could
be
by
not
considering
that
people
still
have
cars.
F
Yeah
yeah,
and
so,
if
you
have,
let's
say,
for
you,
have
16
bedrooms
and
so
then
you're
only
providing
four
parking
spaces.
You
have
12
cars
that
are
12
people,
because
these
are
the
types
of
units
that
young
adults,
families
aren't
usually
renting.
These
they're
young
adults
who
who
get
together
because
that's
the
only
thing
they
can
afford
they
can't
go,
afford
the
one
bedroom
in
the
nest
or
the
hixson
or
the
future
evergreen.
They
have
to
find
housing
that
they
can
share.
So
that's
why
you
see
seven
cars
out
there
next
to
that
duplex.
F
So
I'm
just
telling
you
it's
possible
using
all
the
siding
standards
we've
all
just
went
through.
You
could
have
16
bedrooms
there
and
trying
to
figure
out
well
if
they
all
have
cars
where
do
they
park
and
if
you
have
two
of
those
types
of
lots
on
a
block.
Your
whole
block
is
just
now
covered
by
people
trying
to
find
a
place
to
park
and
it
happens
in
other
communities.
F
P
I
those
those
are
just
so
commingled
that
it
seems
ridiculous
to
be
even
talking
about
building
codes
when
we
haven't
made
any
kind
of
a
requirement
for
people
doing
other
things
than
driving
their
cars.
I
seriously
doubt
that
20
of
the
homes
in
bend
right
now
have
public
transportation
within
a
quarter
of
a
mile
of
them.
A
So
we
have
two
options:
dave
that
we
can
pick
from.
I
know
that
there's
the
third
option
of
the
alternative,
citing
and
design
process.
I
don't
think
there's
support
from
this
group
to
go
through
that
process
and
in
austin.
I
don't
think
there's
support
to
go
through
that
process
from
our
city
council
either
so
our
options
today
and
yes,
we-
we
don't
know
everything
about
transit,
a
little
behind
on
that,
but
it's
either
option
a
from
the
model
code
or
the
other
option,
which
is
one
space
per
dwelling
unit
per
customer
cottage.
A
Okay,
thank
you,
dave
ethan,.
A
Ago,
okay,
yep
audrey
and
then
sarah.
M
Just
wanted
to
toss
their
again
on
garages.
Is
there
any
way
to
have?
I
know
this
is
not
in
line
with
keeping
things
standard,
but
for
cottages
or
just
for
garages
in
general
to
allow
a
parking
space
of
19
feet
by
nine
instead
of
the
20
feet.
So
you
can
have
a
20-foot
garage
and
a
wall
and
door
on
either
side
and
still
have
it
fit.
D
A
Has
talked
about
looking
at
the
parking
dimensions,
ours
are
a
little
bit
outdated
so
that
that
might
be
coming.
Maybe
I'm
not
saying
it
definitely
is
or
anything
like
that.
It's
just
something.
M
H
N
Pauline
my
question
is:
is
just
again
about
the
on-street
parking
credits.
Is
there
any
way
to
not
allow
the
on-state
parking
credits
in
a
way
where
they
can
overlap
each
other?
Like
we've
previously
discussed?
As
someone
else
mentioned,
we
have
really
narrow
streets
and
I
just
see
that
as
being
a
huge
problem.
A
N
Okay,
I
I
definitely
have
a
concern
with
the
parking
credits.
A
Thank
you,
sarah.
I
don't
know
who's.
F
Yeah,
thank
you.
I
wanted
to
point
audrey
to
go.
Look
at
the
habitat
for
humanity
project
under
construction.
I
was
there
the
other
day
I
paced
out
the
garage
because
they
looked
short
and
the
length
of
the
garage
from
the
front
to
the
the
framed
wall
was
only
17
feet
and
so
on
puzzle.
While
you
were
asking
about
the
20
feet,
I'm
concerned
on
that
project
that
if
you've
got
a
pickup
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
park
in
your
garage,
that's
the
only
spot
you're
allocated
in
that
whole
project.
F
G
K
I
would
support
doing
the
oar
requirement
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
background
information
on
what
audrey
was
asking
for.
I
do
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
the
city
of
santa
rosa
and
california,
and
about
10
years
ago
they
went
to
a
parking
space
being
19
feet
to
do
exactly
what
she
was
concerned
about
to
fit
into
a
garage.
That's
20
feet
deep,
and
it's
worked
out.
K
Just
fine
and
you're
also
allowed
to
have
your
sidewalk
being
19
feet
from
the
face
of
the
garage
door,
so
there's
just
an
assumption
that
the
parking
space
can
be
19
feet
and
I
believe
you've
already
made
the
change
here
about
going
from
24
feet
to
22
feet
for
parallel
parking
and
22
feet
works
really
well.
I
know
there's
concerns
about
having
clearances
at
driveways
and
so
forth,
and
I
I
believe
that
a
22
foot
space
works
as
long
as
it
clears
the
the
ramp
into
the
driveway.
K
E
Yeah
I
favor
requiring
one
space
per
unit.
I
mean
we're
talking
about
the
potential
for
having
you
know
numerous
households
on
on
a
single
lot
and-
and
you
know
somehow
it
has
to
be
accommodated.
I
you
know
my
point
has
always
been
that
vehicles
are
personal
property
and
storing
personal
property
has
always
been
a
private
responsibility,
and
if
we
shift
that
to
a
public
obligation,
that's
a
pretty
big
deal
and
we
need
to
think
about
it
very
carefully.
E
As
long
as
somebody
brought
up
the
issue
about
garage
about,
you
know
the
size
of
garages
and
parking
spaces
in
our
neighborhood.
The
big
problem
is
pickup
trucks,
they
don't
fit
in
a
standard
garage
and
they
don't
fit
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
garage
they
overlap
onto
the
sidewalk,
and
so
you
know
they
tend
to
end
up
in
the
street,
and
I
I
mean,
if
we're
talking
about
keeping
up
with
reality,
you
know
ford.
E
Motor
company
is
discontinuing
the
production
of
all
sedans
they're,
only
going
to
produce
pickups
and
suvs
and
minivans
going
forward.
So
we
we
already
have
garages
and
and
front
yard
parking
spaces
that
don't
accommodate.
O
Yeah
hi,
this
is
lisa.
I
am
also
in
favor
of
the
one
parking
space
per
unit,
but
my
question
really
has
to
do
with.
Are
we
able
to
do
any
kind
of
credits
for
proximity
to
transit,
stops.
A
C
Oh,
I
was
just
going
to
say,
because
we
were
just
dealing
with
this
with
the
micro
apartments
and
we
got
some
off
street.
I
thought
we
got
off
street
credit
because
we
were
near
transit
and
those
those
are
going
to
be
400
square
feet
into
your
space
and
we're
doing
0.5
there
we're
assuming
that
there's
going
to
be
people
that
want
to
live
in
spaces
that
are
small,
that
don't
have
a
car.
C
If
we're
just
assuming
that
100
of
people
have
a
car,
then
yeah
I
mean
we're
going
to
have
to
do
something
different
down
in
the
future
for
parking
anyways.
But
if
these
you
know.
I
C
Spirit
of
this,
this
bill
is
to
try
to
give
people
middle
income
housing.
You
have
to
assume
that
there's
some
people
that,
especially
if
they're
near
transit,
can
get
can
get
on
without
having
a
car.
So
I
I
like
the
0.5
and
always
have
thank
you.
F
F
I
think,
there's
households
without
cars
runs
about
five
percent
car
ownership
across
the
board,
though
per
household
is
increasing.
So
it's
hard
to
imagine.
If
we
just
started
saying
projects
only
have
to
provide
half
a
car,
have
a
space
per
car
there's
still
a
lot
of
car
ownership
just
because
they
occasionally
ride
a
bike
or
walk
or
catch
that
bus
they
still
own
a
car.
A
Thank
you
mike,
so
I
think
that
that
is
all
the
hands
raised
from
the
comments
that
I
heard,
the
majority
of
the
support
was
the
one
off-street
parking
space
per
unit
which
thank
you
that
is
way
easier
to
calculate
up
front
and
not
base
it
on
square
footage.
In
case
we
don't
know
the
square
footages
in
the
beginning.
A
P
A
P
H
H
K
A
A
On
the
majority
yeah,
so
we're
going
to
move
on
to
that
lisa.
O
Hi,
I
know
we've
kind
of
changed
the
topic,
but
just
in
terms
of
these
construction
workers,
trucks,
I
just
verified
with
a
couple
of
people,
the
length
of
their
trucks
and
their
length
is
21
feet
and
a
quarter
inches.
So
as
we're
talking
about
garages
and
so
forth.
But
I
guess
most
of
these
construction
trucks
are
not
going
to
fit
in
the
garages
and
so
then
we'll
have
to
look
at.
Where
are
those
trucks
going
to
be?
O
A
Thank
you
lisa
all
right,
so
I
think
we
will
go
to
design
standards
and
we
have
a
half
hour.
A
Let's
see
so
it
says.
Cottage
clusters
must
meet
the
design
standards.
No
other
standards
apply
so
and
hopefully
ethan's
still
on
here.
Okay,
so
this
is
the
cottage
orientation
standard
basically
says:
cottages
must
be
clustered
around
a
common
courtyard
and
we'll
go
into
details
about
common
courtyard.
A
little
bit
further
down.
E
Yeah
I
had
jotted
some
notes
here
about.
It
seems
to
me
it's
that
this
statement
in
about
a
budding
a
common
courtyard,
is
a
bit
in
conflict
with
the
way
the
language
flows
throughout
the
rest
of
this
section,
where
it
keeps
repeating
being
connected
by
a
pedestrian
path,
and
it
seems
to
me
that
that's
clearer,
because,
theoretically,
you
could
a
butt,
a
courtyard
but
be
fenced
in
be
fenced
off
from
that
courtyard,
and
I
don't
think
that's
the
intention.
E
A
So
the
way
I
read
this
and
ethan
can
help
too
is
that
it
looks
like
you
have
an
option
you
either
about
the
common
courtyard.
If
you
don't
abut
it,
then
you
have
to
have
a
path,
and
then
50
of
the
cottage
clusters
must
at
least
orient
to
the
common
courtyard
and
have
their
entrances
facing
towards
it.
E
Well,
yeah,
I
I
don't
know
it
just.
It
just
seemed
to
me
that
it
added
a
possible
element
of
confusion
that
you
could
have.
You
know
units
that
that,
above
the
courtyard
but
aren't
actually
oriented
to
it
or
connected
to
it.
I
don't
know
why
you'd
want
to
do
that,
but
it
I'm
I'm
just
not
sure
what
is
gained
by
having
those
words.
That's
what
it
comes
down
to
what
does
a,
but
the
common
courtyard
achieve
that
isn't
already
achieved
by
being
connected
by
a
path.
M
I
was
just
curious
to
how
we're
defining
entrance
is
this:
can
we
have
the
door
sideways
and
a
covered
porch?
You
know
that
where
the
pathway
comes
towards
the
courtyard
is
that
acceptable
still.
M
It
could
be
on
the
side,
but
the
the
covered
entry
is
still
on
the
front
facing
facade,
whether
it's
step
back
a
little
bit
or
at
the
very
front,
but
it
allows
that
versatility
of
a
side
facing
door.
M
M
The
courtyard
only
50
right,
but
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
the
definition
of
entrance
unless
it's
defined
somewhere,
because
if
you're
meaning
the
door
must
face
it
that
we
should
probably
say
door,
and
I
do
like
just
like
any
other
time.
I
like
the
idea
of
the.
As
long
as
the
let's
say
you
have
a
nice
front
covered
porch.
M
I
would
love
the
option
of
having
the
door
sideways
so
that
you
can
enter
into
a
mud
room
and
then
have
the
windows
of
a
living
area.
Looking
over
the
porch
looking
into
the
common
area.
A
M
A
We
have
that
in
the
I
should
know
this,
but
in
our
code
the
development
code
today,
I
think
we
provide
those
three
options.
Let
me
pull
I'll
look
into
that.
I
think
we
have
the
three
options
as
long
as
those.
K
K
What
was
that
somebody's
talking
anyway
yeah,
so
I
would
agree
with
audrey
on
that
and
and
I'm
curious
about
the
be
within
10
feet
from
the
common
courtyard,
measured
from
the
facade
that
number
two
where
that
came
from,
and
why
that's
important,
if
you
could
elaborate
on
that
a
little
bit,
I'm
not
sure
I
agree
with
it
a
specific
number
like
10
feet.
K
A
J
Is
this
about
the
budding
or
is
this
about
the
the
okay
yeah?
So
really,
when
you
think
about
a
cottage
cluster-
and
you
know,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
common
courtyard
is
a
is
a
primary
feature
of
that
cottage
courtyard,
as
opposed
to
you,
know
an
open
space
kind
of
tucked
away
so
that
there
there's
at
least
a
majority
or
or
some
semblance
of
a
majority
that
is
oriented
to
and
really
responding
to
that
common
courtyard.
J
H
K
I
guess
the
question
would
be
if
the
common
courtyard
includes
the
pathway
say
a
sidewalk
and
then
you
have
say
five
feet
of
planting
and
then
a
six
foot
porch
you're
over
the
10
feet
to
your
door.
K
So
it
just
seems
like
it's
a
kind
of
a
rigid
number.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
what
to
suggest.
It
just
seems
to
be
a
restrictive
number.
A
So
we
could
define,
I
don't
know
that
the
code
actually
defines
facade.
So
it's
we
could
say
to
the
porch
or
the
the
wall
of
the
dwelling
unit.
A
Okay
good
point
mike.
F
You
can
probably
anticipate
my
question.
I
like
the
project,
the
old
one,
where
they
were
clustered
around
the
open
space.
I
looked
at
all
the
ones
you
suggested
pauline
to
look
at
and
by
far
nearly
all
of
them,
the
courtyard
was
sort
of
off
to
the
side
on
the
perimeter
and
they
sort
of
qualified
by
sticking
two
buildings
sort
of
perpendicular
to
it
kind
of
met
the
intent,
but
it
certainly
didn't
give
you
the
feel
that
it's
a
courtyard
it's
almost
just
like
a
little
open
space
off
to
the
very
edge
of
the
project.
F
It's
it's
frustrating
that
we
can't
have
more
projects
without
the
habitat
for
humanity.
All
their
units
are
around
the
courtyard
and
not
not
just
primarily
on
one
side,
one
long
leg
and
then
one
short
leg.
I
don't
know
how.
If
anybody
cares
about
that,
but
I'm
just
saying
it's:
it's
disappointing.
A
So
did
you
go
by
the
two
in
northwest
crossings?
One
is
right
by
my
house,
the
all
the
units,
every
single
one
of
them
except
two,
two
out
of
12
front
onto
the
courtyard
and
then
the
one.
That's
in
the
what
I
call
the
hole
by
limhi
pass
and
shevlin
all
of
them
front
the
courtyard,
except
one
that
sits
up
high
and
three
due
to
topography
actually
front
the
public
street.
F
F
But
again
you
know
you
have
rules,
you
have
this
50
there's
ways
around
it,
so
that
the
developer
can
have
a
one,
long
side,
a
real
long,
skinny
courtyard
and
a
two
two
buildings
on
the
short
leg
and
they
meet
the
letter
of
what
you've
written
as
a
code.
It's
it's
just
disappointing.
A
And
you
saw
the
the
barn
that
they
built
in
that
courtyard
for
everyone
to
use
and
the
community
garden
yeah.
I
saw
that
yeah
I
I
honestly,
I
probably
disagree
with
that.
I've
seen
so
many
people
out
using
their
courtyard
and
with
all
the
units
that
does
comply
with
the
intent
with
this
being
surrounded
by
the
the
courtyard
being
100
surrounded
by
the
units.
Yeah
can.
C
Well,
just
the
the
50
thing
just
in
designing,
like
we
all
of
our
in
the
hiatus
one
of
our
big
clusters,
which
had
eight
houses.
They
all
face
their
porches
all
face
to
each
other
and
one
of
the
things.
If
I
could
go
back
and
redesign
that
I
would.
I
would
use
more
of
that.
Fifty
percent,
because
you
you
create
this
fishbowl
thing.
That's
really
is
difficult
for
privacy
to
give
degrees
of
privacy
to
the
residents.
C
So
I
think
that
it's
nice
to
have
that
50
and
I
get
you
know
a
bill
saying.
But
it's
it's
it
to
me.
It's
good
to
have
a
courtyard
that
some
of
the
houses
face,
but
they
don't
necessarily
have
to
face
each
other's
doorways
or
porch
doorways,
so
you're
looking
directly
into
the
other
person's
thing,
and
if
you
have
50
that
you
can
kind
of
put
off
to
the
side
to
control
the
privacy
for
the
for
the
people
in
the
cottage
cluster.
C
I
think
I
would
have
used
more
of
that.
If
I
went
back
to
design
it
and
requiring
100
of
them
to
face
the
courtyard
is,
is
really
difficult
too,
when
you
start
to
look
at
the
the
lot
that
you're
about
to
design
it's
useful
to
be
able
to
have
some
that
that
don't
face
have
to
face
the
courtyard,
so
you
can
use
use
up
all
this.
The
square
footage
for
you
know,
building
actual
lots.
D
E
Yeah
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
this
issue
that
audrey
had
raised
about
the
main
entrance.
E
I
was
wondering
if
there
is
a
definition
in
the
code
for
main
entrance
and
if
not
maybe
there
could
be
and
that
that
it
would
differentiate
between
the
sort
of
entrance
to
the
property
and
the
front
door,
and
I
I
keep
hearing
you
use
them
interchangeably
and
I
think
maybe
you
know
the
architects
and
other
folks
here
are
differentiating
between
those.
E
E
You
know
how
you're
approaching
the
the
house
that
you
know
where
you're
going
and
so
forth
and
the
front
door.
I
don't
think
the
front
door
has
to
be
construed,
as
you
know,
facing
the
street
all
the
time,
but
related
to
that.
I
wanted
to
come
back
to
something
that
scott
had
mentioned.
The
last
time
which
which
I
thought
was
a
great
idea-
the
idea
of
pulling
these
design
standards
as
they
relate
to
front
doors
and
so
forth
into
one
section
and
and
have
them
apply
to
all
of
these
different
types.
E
You
know
again,
we
could
end
up
with
quite
a
you
know,
quite
a
mess
here
of
different
different
rules.
For
each
of
these,
you
know
for
duplexes
versus
cottages
versus
townhomes,
and-
and
I
I
don't
see,
really
a
rationale
for
that.
I
think
it
makes
more
sense
to
have
one
section.
If
that
needs
to
be
amended,
it
can
be
easily
amended
and
everything
else
refers
to
those
standards.
C
L
C
Jesse
again,
sorry,
just
on
the
front,
I
think
it's
really
important,
because
the
distinction
between
the
cottage
cluster
front
door
back
door.
What
door
is
the
entrance
door
compared
to
trying
to
lump
that
into
other
building
types,
doesn't
really
work,
because
what
you're
trying
to
do-
and
the
advantage
of
this
is
in
the
cottage
clusters-
you
can
face
your
main,
your
main
entrance
and
quote
that
isn't
facing
the
street.
It's
faced
into
the
common
area.
So
you
get
this
kind
of
thing.
C
A
Okay,
so
the
main
change
I
heard
on
here
is
basically
not
using
facade
in
number
two
and
using
I'll
clean
this
up,
look
at
porches
and
walls,
so
it
gives
you
a
little
bit
more
flexibility
and
then
this
main
entrance
we
do
use
in
other
sections
of
the
code,
the
three
options
that
you
have
like
a
side,
loaded,
porch
or
a
porch-
that's
covered
with
a
pathway.
A
I
don't
know
we
talked
about
this
section
here
as
cottages.
Let
me
scoot
over
cottages
must
be
within
20
feet
of
a
street
property
line
and
have
their
entrances
facing
the
street,
so
this
is
saying
that
they're
not
actually
around
the
courtyard
so
that
one
into
northrop's
crossings-
I
was
just
talking
about
due
to
topography.
A
I
would
say
this
is
repetitive
like
bill
said
this
seems
to
be
in
there
a
couple
times
any
comments
on
these
and
I
can
add
the
same
flexibility
when
we
talk
about
entrances
here
that
I
will
add
up
above
so
you
have
a
clear
idea
of
what
we're
talking
about.
It's
not
so
much
the
door.
It's
just
the
entrance
scott.
B
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
clarify
something
about
some
of
the
comments
I
made
last
week,
and
some
of
it
might
even
be
just
more
of
definition.
So
for
what
you're
doing
right
here
with
looking
at
you
know
the
replacing
the
word
facade
with
something
like
porch
or
a
wall
or
or
you
know,
a
structural
member
covered
something
or
right
here
where
down
below
it,
where
it
says
entrances.
B
B
B
If,
if
those,
if
you
could
think
of
those
as
like
moves
or
or
in
the
architecture
world
patterns
that,
if
those
are
defined
somewhere
else,
it
would
kind
of
help
and
that
that's
kind
of
a
larger
ask
more
than
what
we're
talking
about
here
but
yeah.
I
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
it
came
out.
B
So
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
address
it
a
little
bit
but
yeah
be
nice
if
some
of
the
the
development
code
gets
really
complicated,
sometimes
with
a
lot
of
semantic
explanations
that
are
similar,
but
in
many
different
areas
of
the
development
code.
A
Thank
you,
scott
all
right
looks
like
I
want
to
see
if
we
can
get
through
just
a
little
bit
more
here
now
we're
talking
about
the
courtyard
design
standards.
A
This
is
saying
how
many
cottages
cluster
around
a
courtyard.
We
already
talked
about
a
minimum
of
three
being
in
a
cottage
cluster,
the
one
of
the
codes,
I
think
it's
the
model
code
says
eight,
here's
a
maximum.
We
don't
have
to
use
eight.
We
do
twelve
in
the
bend
development
code,
kathy.
K
K
I'm
sorry
the
I
I
would
be
even
more,
I
guess
is
what
I
was
saying
so
12
at
least
12..
So.
J
Yeah,
if
I
could
speak
to
this-
and
this
actually
comes
from
the
minimum
compliance
standards
in
division
46.,
this
question
is
something
that
I
think
trips
up
a
lot
of
folks,
especially
I
just
right
now
I
had
to
go
back
and
re
read
it
really.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
what
is
the
minimum
amount
of
cottages
that
a
city
can
require
a
second
common
courtyard
through,
so
the
conversation
is
really
related
to
unreasonable
costs
and
delay.
J
We
didn't
want
to
set
up
a
scenario
where
the
city
says
you
must
have
a
minimum
of
three
cottages
in
a
cottage
cluster,
but
at
your
fifth
cottage
you
have
to
have
a
second
common
courtyard
to
accommodate
that.
So
this
is
really
saying
before
that.
Second,
common
courtyard
can
be
required.
J
J
G
J
G
Thank
you,
that's
actually
what
I
was
gonna
ask
about,
because
you
know
I
could.
I
think
I
could
see
eight
cottages
around
a
common
courtyard
and
then
the
next
eight
around
another
and
then
the
next
state
around
another,
and
I
think
going
up
to
12
would
be
fine.
I
I
don't
know
if
I
would
agree
with
not
having
a
limit
on
how
many
per
courtyard,
though,
because
then
that
feels
like
you
know,
I
don't.
I
G
K
Yeah
that
was
helpful
to
understand
where
this
was
coming
from
and
pauline
the
cottages
that
I
did
up
there
in
sisters,
there's
nine
of
them
on
and
they
ring
three
sides
of
the
common
area.
So
if
there
were
completely
ringing
the
courtyard
there
would
have
been
nine,
so
it
would
have
exceeded
eight,
and
so
that's
why
I
didn't
want
you
to
limit
it
to
eight.
I
could
I
understand
what
moe's
saying,
but
I
think
eight's
too
small.
I
would
say
twelve
fourteen
something
like
that.
I.
A
At
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago,
some
of
them
maxed
out
at
the
12.
K
B
Yeah,
I
was
just
wondering
about
when
it
says
you
have
to
have
another
courtyard
I
mean.
Is
there?
Could
the
courtyards
be
combined?
You
know
I'm
imagining.
B
I
I've
lived
in
a
up
in
bellingham,
they
had
a
an
area
where
it
was
like
a
kind
of
a
linear
park
that
was
lined
by
houses,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
that
could,
if
the,
if
this
could
be
used
to
develop
something
like
that,
where
it
would
be
the
the
common
courtyards
would
essentially
be
be
combined
and
it
would
be
kind
of
a
linear
strip
and
you
could
have
up
to
you,
know
20
or
so
houses.
You
know
almost
like
a
block
or
two.
A
B
Then
and
then
you
just
do
the
exact
same
thing
next
to
it
a
couple
more
times
or
whatnot
I
mean,
wouldn't
that
be,
I
guess
is
that
is
that
available
with
this
with
this
code
as
written
and
it
would,
I
guess
they
would
be
separated.
So
I
I'm
kind
of
wondering
about
this,
this,
the
maximum
of
the
common
courtyard
or
the
maximum
cottage
around
a
common
courtyard,
and
how
how
you
would
define
that.
A
So
I
think
it
just
gets
back
to.
I
believe
it's
richard
ross.
I
kind
of
created
this
concept
and
the
idea
is
to
create
little
communities
within
the
entire
cottage
development,
and
so
clustering
creates
little
pocket.
You
know
neighborhoods
versus
just
one
big
one,
so
that
I
think
is
you
know
the
the
idea
behind
creating
successful
cottage
developments
versus
just
large
lineal
spaces,
with
not
clustering.
B
Yeah
yeah,
but
I'm
saying
that
right
now,
there's
no
there's!
No!
I
guess
separation
requirement
between
the
the
courtyards,
so
you
could
make
a
a
courtyard.
That's
somewhat
linear
and
just
build
and
just
do
this
next
to
it.
Like
am
I
making
sense.
L
A
Might
be
possible
bill
audrey
in
the
corner.
E
Yeah,
I
agree
with
moey.
I
think
there
should
be
some
kind
of
upper
limit.
I
live
on
a
long
block
with
49
houses
and
if
you
basically
took
the
street
out
and
put
grass
in
there,
which
is
sort
of
what
scott's
describing
you'd
have
a
really
long
linear
kind
of
park
that
the
homes
would
be
oriented
to
and-
and
I
could
picture
that-
but
I
don't
know
it
strikes
me
more
like
a
golf
course
development
or
something-
and
not
this
idea
of
a
cottage
cluster.
E
You
know
in
reality
of
the
59
homes.
It's
like
you
know.
You
only
know
so
many
so
many
of
your
neighbors
and
I
think
the
idea
here
is
to
have
a
bit
of
familiarity
and
intimacy
and
a
sense
of
community
and
if
you
get
to
30
or
50
or
100
homes,
you
don't
have
that
anymore.
B
B
A
Thank
you,
scott
and
bill
audrey
and
then
karna,
and
then
we
have
only
two
minutes
left.
M
Oh
sorry,
yeah
really
quick
for
the
contiguous
cottage
clusters
where
that
open
court,
your
common
courtyard
might,
but
maybe
there's
just
a
small
landscaping
requirement
or
something
or
just
any
kind
of
architectural
feature
that
defines
a
transition.
It
can
be
pretty
open.
It
doesn't
take
much
to
make
it
feel
like
a
separate
courtyard.
A
M
Some
flexibility
there
well,
I
would
keep
away
from
the
restrictions
on
the
building,
because
they're
really
hard
to
do
that
without
losing
a
lot
of
space.
But
we
can
maybe
have
that
as
an
option
between
doing
that
and
either
a
landscaping
or
architectural
feature,
because
it
can
be
just
something
that
you
know
a
little
bit
of
landscaping
that
encroaches
on
the
pathway
and
then
even
a
trellis
or
something
and
they
you'll
get
the
same
function.
D
Yeah
I
want
to
chime
in
on
this
because
I
think
you
could
have
a
very
nice.
You
know
three
mile
running
track.
That
kind
of
connects
all
the
separate
sort
of
clusters-
and
maybe
you
know
it's
only
a
trail
between
each
separate
cluster,
but
you
want
to
be
able
to
be
flexible
and
have
you
know
the
ability
to
have
49
or
100
all
sort
of
connected?
D
Because
then
you
have
this
really
nice
walking
trail
or
running
trail
that
can
kind
of
come
in
and
out
of
all
of
them.
I
I
don't
want
to
preclude
contiguous
courtyards.
A
I
think
they
could
be
contiguous
by
you
know
pathways,
so
you
definitely
have
that
connectivity
right.
I
agree.
I
think
what
the
group
is
just
suggesting
is
that
we
just
don't
have
one
big
courtyard.
B
B
Block
standards,
though,
the
limitations
for
you'd
have
to
have
roads
that
go
through
you
or.
A
You
have
like
a
you,
can
use
a
pathway
to
meet
that
standard
too.
B
H
Pauline
bill
posted
a
question
in
the
chat
that
I
think
might
be
worth
confirming.
The
question
is:
can
the
common
courtyard
be
in
the
setbacks?
In
other
words,
can
it
go
all
the
way
to
a
side,
property
line
and
the
square
footage
in
the
setback
be
counted
as
the
courtyard
and
I'm
assuming?
The
answer
to
that
is
no,
but
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
putting
it.
A
Out
sorry,
I'm
scrolling
I'm
going
back
up
to
our
setback.
A
E
I
mean
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
I
have
an
opinion
on
smaller
lots.
I
think
it
might
be
really
hard
if
you
couldn't
count
that
five
foot
side
setback
but
but
it
seems
like
it
should
be
clear,
and
in
reading
this
I
was
not
clear.
A
Okay,
I'll
look
into
that.
L
K
A
If
folks
don't
mind,
I
wouldn't
mind
just
finishing
this:
you
know
this
is
just
our
first
draft
and
then
our
next
meeting
will
be
the
cleanups
that
we've
been
talking
about,
I'm
losing
a
lot
of
people.
Let's
see.
H
How
about
if
we
tackle
it
and
then
bring
back
what
this
smaller
group
is
thinking
to
start
the
meeting
next
time?
Would
that
work
just
so?
The
bigger
group
has
a
sense
to
it.
Has
the
ability
to
give
some
feedback
on
what
the
smaller
group
is
able
to
come
up
with
today
sure
we
can
do
that,
hopefully,
that's
kind
of
a
good
compromise,
so
we
can
keep
moving
and
and
then
we're
not
cutting
anybody
out
of
the
discussion.
A
A
So
I
know
this
is
probably
one
of
the
more
important
ones,
so
cluster
parking
off
street
parking
may
be
arranged
in
clusters,
parking
location
and
access.
So
this
is
basically
mirroring
what
we
have
in
the
code
today
and
then
the
location
and
access
parking
must
not
be
located
in
the
perimeter
setbacks
and
must
be
screened
from
public
streets
and
adjacent
residential
uses
by
a
landscape,
buffer
containing
landscaping
and
or
architectural
screening.
I
think
what
kathy
you're
hoping
is
that
we
can
clarify
that
if
they
abut
a
street,
they
can
actually
put
their
driveway
there.
A
K
And
when
we
get
off
of
this,
I
can
do
a
screen
capture
from
the
the
you
know.
It
shows
what
I
did
and
and
why
I'm
saying
that
you
know
it's
it's
important
for
people
who
can't
visualize
I'm
happy
to
provide
that.
I
just
don't.
Have
it
right
at
the
moment,
do
you
do
you?
Have
it
right
now?
K
Well,
I
have
it
on
my
screen.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
how
to
do
a
screen
share.
Do
you
want
to
email
it
to
me?
Well,
it's
a
link.
It's
the
the
map
that
the
deschutes
county
property
information
map
and
I
don't.
I
don't-
have
a
screen
capture
on
this
tablet
that
I'm
on.
I
only
have
it
at
my
desktop,
so
I
have
to
go
upstairs
and
do
it
and
send
it
to
you
if
you
want,
I
can
do
that
and
just
be
off
the
call
for
a
minute.
A
K
K
That
is
correct
and,
and
so
the
two
lots,
32
and
33
don't
have
a
garage
and
they
are
accessed
on
a
two-car
garage
off
the
alley.
So
out
of
the
nine
units,
two
of
them
couldn't
had
to
access
the
public
streets
on
both
the
north
and
the
south.
So
imagine
a
mirror
of
that
unit.
On
the
opposite
side
of
the
common
space.
K
Well,
you
do
see
you
do
see
the
house
with
the
garage,
that's
the
common
area
and
go
back
up
to
the
top
of
the
picture,
the
the
house
with
the
flag,
that's
the
garage
door,
the
door
that
faces
the
street.
So
every
unit
has
a
porch
facing
both
the
common
area
and
the
street
so
that
there's
every
house
has
two
two
porches
a
front
and
rear
porch.
So
there's
common
space,
porches
and
street
facing
porches.
So
there's
never
like
a
back
of
a
house
facing
the
public
street.
K
Yeah,
so
so
you
what
you're,
seeing
where
the
flag
is,
that's
the
house
that
has
the
garage
facing
the
public
street
and
then
it
has
a
another
porch
on
the
back
side
that
faces
the
common
area.
So
if
you
look
to
your
left,
the
two-story
house,
that's
the
other
side
of
that
same
house
this
one.
Here
I
don't
see
your
arrow,
but
sorry.
K
A
F
You
know
I'm
just
trying
to
look
ahead
a
little
bit.
I
don't
see
a
lot
left
in
the
document.
That's
going
to
be
a
big
long
debate,
so
just
to
try
to
help
make
this
sufficient.
I
wanted
to
share
that.
There
is
one
thing,
though:
that's
not
part
of
it.
That
was
a
big
deal
on
the
project
with
the
habitat
humanity.
F
F
E
Another
clarification
question
can
can
driveways
be
in
the
setback.
It
was
located
against
the
property
line
and
if
they
can,
it
seems
like
there
should
be
some
sort
of
fencing
requirement
or
something.
A
Yeah,
I'm
going
to
look
at
how
we
wrote
it
in
the
cottage
development
code
that
we
have
now
about
the
five
foot
setback
seems
like
we
were
gonna
allow
a
trail
on
that,
but
there
wasn't
support.
So
I
I
just
gotta
look
at
it
and
see
I
mean
if
you
did
a
long
driveway
for
a
fourplex
that
can't
be
in
the
setback.
So
if
it's
the
alley.
I
A
M
Quick
question
that
I
didn't
see-
and
I
just
may
have
missed
it,
but
again
back
to
the
garages,
if
you
are
doing
like
in
monterey
muse,
where
they
have
the
grouped
garages
separate
from
the
buildings.
How
is
that
covered
under
this.
A
M
M
H
A
F
F
At
the
habitat
for
humanity
project
there,
they
have
a
loop
street,
a
private
drive
that
goes
around
the
outside
their
original
design
place
that
curb
on
their
loop
right
on
the
property
line,
and
we
walked
him
over
and
showed
him
the
obstacles
and
problems,
and
he
agreed
that
he
should
move
it
back
from
the
property
line
and
then,
of
course,
we
were
able
to
get
him
to
build
a
fence.
So
to
answer
bill's
question,
I
guess,
if
it's
a
parking
space
there
is.
F
There
is
something
in
your
page
draft
eight
that
I
think
it
says
you
can't
be
within
the
perimeter
setback
with
parking,
but
it's
the
private
loop
which
caused
us
problems.
I
K
Yeah,
just
to
kind
of
piggyback
on
what
audrey
was
saying
on
the
size
of
garages
when
they
say
200
square
feet.
That
would
be
the
interior
that
would
not
be
to
the
outside
framing
of
a
garage,
because
you
need
to
have
the
20
by
20
feet,
clear
and
so
by
say
there
just
needs
to
be
some
understanding
that
either
the
definition
of
how
you're
defining
the
area
of
the
garage
or
you
make
it
a
little
bit
larger
like
441,
would
be
a
21
by
21
rectangle.
K
So
you
know
I,
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
just
thinking.
Oh,
it's
a
garage,
it's
20
by
20!
Well,
that's
the
interior
and
usually
how
we
measure
buildings
is
to
the
exterior
framing.
So
that's
why
we
come
up
short.
I
I
think
audrey
clarify
if
I'm
saying
that
wrong,
but
I
think
that's.
The
issue
is
that
you
know
like
a
single
car
garage.
You
have
framing
that
frames
that
space,
and
so
it's
actually
bigger.
K
A
Anyway,
and
that
I
want
to
make
sure
it
doesn't
reside
anywhere
in.
K
K
H
A
M
Just
another
real
quick
thing
on
parking:
if
we're
having
12
as
a
maximum
for
clusters,
I
would
love
to
see
the
parking
that's
usually
limited
to
five
contiguous
spots
and
then
a
landscape
buffer.
I
would
love
to
see
that
six
so
that
you
could
do
two
clusters
of
parking
and
not
have
to
do
a
third
one
for
a
12
unit.
Development.
A
So
it's
saying
cluster
projects
with
fewer
than
16,
so
if
you
have
12
that
would,
unless
I
guess
you
have
garages-
and
this
won't
really
apply
but
you're
thinking.
This
should
be
six.
I
I
would.
M
A
Just
so
that's
where
this
gets
confusing.
So
if
you
have
a
cottage
cluster
project.
A
M
A
Like
four
is
over
twelve
hundred
square
feet
about
three,
maybe
three
or
four
you
can
have
a
well.
I
guess
900
square
foot,
footprint
plus
a
200,
so
that's
1100
square
foot
for
the
dwelling
units,
so
maybe
three,
so
it's
kind
of
equivalent
to
the
floor
area
of
a
the
dwelling
unit.
So
it's
not
much
bigger.
H
E
So
if
we're
defining
a
minimum
here
or
maximum,
the
maximum
ought
to
allow
for
a
pickup,
and
I
would
think
that's
probably
at
least
23
feet
deep.
You
know,
maybe
it
can
be
a
little
more
generous
than
that,
but
23
by
20
would
be
460..
E
A
So
these
would
be
the
detached
garages
not
attached.
E
K
Just
detached
well
you're,
looking
not
so
much
at
the
width
as
you
are
the
depth.
It
gives
a
couple
extra
feet
in
depth
for
the
trucks
that
they're
talking
about
or
to
have
some
storage
area.
B
B
B
I
I
I
don't
know
I
I'm
I
mean
personally,
I'm
I
don't
understand
the
the
ginormous,
how
these
trucks
just
keep
getting
bigger
every
year
to
the
point
where
you
need
a
ladder
to
climb
in
them.
They
don't
fit
on
city
streets,
and
I
I
just
I
don't
know
if
like
we
should
be,
if
we
should
have
to
change
some
stuff
to
accommodate
them,
I
mean
if
someone
wants
to
buy
a
yacht
and
then
complains
that
they
can't
fit
yachts
in
standard
garages,
then
that's
their
problem.
N
B
H
I
don't
know
if
sarah's
had
a
chance
to
speak.
Sarah,
are
you
waiting.
N
Yes,
yeah,
I
am
so
I
have
a
standard,
pickup
truck,
it's
not
jacked
up
and
it's
not
25
feet
long
and
the
problem
here
is
actually
the
width
of
the
garage,
but
also
the
height
of
the
garage
door.
So
none
of
the
pickup
trucks
in
my
neighborhood,
which
was
built
in
2007,
fit
in
any
of
the
garages,
not
one
of
them.
N
H
N
A
There's
a
limit
on
the
size
of
the
garage,
that's
dedicated
towards
the
building
footprint.
So
I
think
the
intent
was
to
not
make
this
all
about
the
cars
and
the
the
big
trucks
right.
I
I
can
go
by
and
take
the
pictures
of
the
two
in
our
neighborhood.
It's
rare.
A
I
see
cars
out
in
them
to
begin
with,
they
only
have
single
car
garages
because
I
have
picked
my
daughter
up
at
one
okay
sometimes-
and
I
there's
only
three
parking
spots-
I
pull
right
into
a
parking
spot
because
they're
never
taken,
but
if
the
group
wants
to
bump
the
detached
garages
up
to.
N
House
and
just
one
last
question:
if
we're
going
up
to
440
or
540,
anything
over
200
comes
out
of
the
total
square
footage
correct.
A
I
K
Okay,
good,
then
I'm
gonna
talk
because
I
have
to
go
soon,
so
I've
done
a
project
where
each
unit
had
a
single
car
garage,
and
we
did
four
in
a
row
and
then
had
four
parking
spaces
on
the
surface
and
then
another
four,
and
so
it
would
be
essentially
two
of
these
two
car
garages
together,
and
I
think
that
would
be
appropriate
rather
than
three.
K
A
Well,
maybe
we
just
put
us
maximum
square
footage
of
the
structure
of
attached
garages
and
I
so
if
you
did
to,
if
it's
a
single
cart,
it's
let
me
just
use
easy
math
200
square
feet
per
each,
so
you're
600
or
you
said
four
of
them,
so
that'd
be
800..
So
should
we
just
say
800.
K
So,
for
instance,
if
we
were
doing
what
we
were
talking
about
before
getting
a
little
bit
bigger,
that
was
528.
If
it
was
times,
two
would
be
a
thousand
and
fifty
six,
so
audrey
has
got
her
hand
up.
I
think
she
can
help
me
out
here,
but
yeah,
just
keep
in
mind
that
there's
framing
that
goes
around
these
garages,
that
not
really
200
and.
M
Not
400.,
if
you
go
with
just
200
or
even
220,
you're
dealing
with
the
smallest,
you
now
have
no
shear
strength
on
either
side
of
the
door.
It's
expensive
and
not
very
useful
way
to
go.
I
would
much
rather
allow
I'm
like
if
you're
gonna
either
do
a
the
528
times
three
as
your
max
or
go
a
little
smaller,
so
that
you
can
maybe
do
four
single
ex
slightly
larger
single
car
garages,
so
there's
at
least
function
and
a
little
bit
of
storage
in
them
as
well.
M
M
A
M
A
Right,
that's
right
because
and
that's
what
we
did
in
the
other
cottage
code
was
440..
So
what's.
D
M
D
D
A
Okay,
that's
fine
and
I'll
make
some
changes
clean.
This
up.
I'd
really
like
to
on
the
17th
I'll,
send
out
the
next
meeting
date.