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City of Bend Sounding Board to House our Neighbors Meeting for May 12, 2021.
A
I
I
think
we
don't
really
need
to
do
introductions
again
since
we've
done
them
and
we
all
know
who
each
other
is
one
of
the
things
I
would
just
like
to
say
at
the
beginning.
Is
you
know
we
have
this,
this
legislation
that
is
going
to
allow
us
to
you
know
more
quickly.
A
You
know
build
shelters,
but
I
I
would
like
to
have
you
know,
put
in
the
caveat
that
house
bill
2006
is,
this
is
only
good
until
july
of
2022.,
and
so
we
really
need
to
be
looking
at
the
future
and
sort
of
be
setting
the
table
for
the
future,
for
when
house
bill
2006
is
is
no
more.
So
that's
why
I
think
we're
still
in
this
period
of
you
know,
let's,
let's,
let's
get
this
ready.
B
Okay,
great
thank
you
stacy,
I'm
gonna
get
you
into
the
meeting
here
and
then
we
can
start.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
thanks
everyone
for
coming
today.
Let
me
go
ahead
and
share
the
agenda
and
I
know
we've
got
some
folks
in
the
lobby
here
share
my
screen.
We're
gonna
have
public
comment
at
towards
the
end
today.
B
So
hopefully
that
works
for
everybody.
Let's
see,
let
me.
C
B
C
B
So
today,
let's
see
we've
got
it's
kind
of
a
compacted
agenda,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
take
a
while
to
get
through
everything
we're
hoping
to
get
through
today.
So,
let's
see
we'll
just
go
through
the
minutes,
maybe
I
could
get
a
motion
to
approve
them
after
we
go
through
this
agenda
overview
and
then
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
different
shelter
types.
B
So
we
took
back
comments
from
the
last
meeting
and
revised
the
definitions
a
little
bit
so
we'll
be
walking
through
those
and
asking
for
your
approval
or
edits
on
those
different
definitions
and
then
we'll
go
into
the
different
zoning
districts
in
the
city
and
pauline
and
elizabeth
are
going
to
help
me
with
this
portion
and
we'll
be
talking
about
each
type
of
shelter
and
potential
sizing
requirements
and
standards
by
zoning
district,
and
that
should
take
the
bulk
of
the
meeting,
because
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
sort
of.
B
B
Hopefully
we
can
get
out
a
really
rough
draft
of
the
code
sections
the
code,
amendments
for
your
review
and
then
we
can
go
into
june
and
do
some
public
outreach
and
then
come
back
on
on
those.
So
they'll
be
just
pretty
rough
at
this
point,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
good
point
to
get
the
community
input
and
everything
so
sound,
good
everyone.
B
B
D
B
Brianna,
okay,
let
me
just
make
sure
there's
no
one
else
in
the
committee
on
the
in
the
waiting
room:
no,
it
doesn't
look
like
it
okay,
so
if
I
could,
maybe
we
could
go
through
the
minutes.
That
would
be
great.
Does
anyone
have
any
additions?
B
Again,
these
are
brief
and
we
have
transcripts
of
the
meetings
for
more
detailed
conversation.
B
So
maybe
I
could
get
someone
if
there's
no
changes
or
anything
get
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes.
F
Yes,
I
will
yeah
hans
just
write
us
in.
I
will
recommend
approving
the
minutes
from
last
week.
B
B
Okay,
so
just
an
overview
on
where
we
are
right
now
we're
kind
of
combining
a
few
of
our
meetings
together,
we're
at
meeting
three.
B
I
think
we're
making
some
really
good
progress
where
we're
looking
at
we've
developed
kind
of
recommendations
based
off
of
what
other
communities
have
done,
with
providing
different
types
of
shelter
for
the
houseless
and
we've
got
sort
of
some
broad
categories
and
buckets
right
now
for
shelter
types,
and
so
now
we're
going
to
be
beginning
to
make
drafts
and
for
you
to
look
at
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
in
june,
we'll
be
doing
some
outreach
come
back
to
you,
we'll
probably
do
an
update
to
the
planning,
commission
and
city
council,
just
maybe
even
in
a
memo
on
how
we're
going
and
actually
we'll
be
having
at
some
point
in
june,
the
community
building
subcommittee.
B
So
that's
a
council
subcommittee,
I
think
councillor
campbell
you're
on
it
and
then
councillor
perk,
not
perkins,
shinkelberg
and,
let's
say
keep
counselor
keebler
is
on
it
yeah.
I
believe
the
other
three
are
on
on
the
stewardship
subcommittee.
So
that's
a
small
subcommittee
of
council
members
and
there's
public
input
at
those
meetings.
B
They'll
be
advertised
and
everything
and
you
can
dig
into
the
code
language
a
little
bit
more
before
it
goes
to
the
full
council
and
then,
if
needed,
we'll
come
back
in
july
and
we'll
do
some
more
input
in
july
and
then
go
to
planning
commission
in
august.
So
that's
the
plan
for
now.
B
Let's
see
so,
I'm
gonna
go
up
to
here
to
the
different
types
of
shelter.
So
we
took
your
recommendations
from
the
last
meeting
and
I
I
can't
see
folks.
So
if
you
have
comments
or
input
go
ahead
and
just
mute
and
feel
free
to
interrupt
or
maybe
pauline
or
elizabeth,
you
could
watch
the
chat
bar
and
see
if
anyone's
raising
their
hand-
and
let
me
know
so
broadly,
we
we
revised
a
little
bit
of
our
past
definition
and
went
to
just
a
broad
definition
for
shelter.
B
And
so
what
we're
determining
is
shelter
is
a
location
for
overnight
accommodation
of
people
who
lack
permanent
housing.
A
shelter
site
may
be
permanent
or
temporary
and
is
either
an
outdoor,
shelter,
mass
shelter
or
transitional
shelter.
B
So
we
revise
this
definition
just
to
make
it
clear
that
a
shelter
is
for
people
who
lack
permanent
housing
at
the
at
the
moment,
and
it
can
be
a
permanent
or
a
temporary
site.
So
we
thought
this
addressed
your
input
from
last
time.
Talking
about
whether
somebody
can
stay
there
longer
term
than
just
a
temporary
stay.
H
I
think
I
was
the
one
that
asked
for
the
ability
to
be
a
more
long
term
and
I'm
fine
with
this.
Okay.
I
I
just
had
a
question
about
how
we
would
handle,
because
we
talked
about
kind
of
like
temporary
mass
shelters.
So
if
there
are
events
that
that
might
cause
a
a
temporary
surge
in
houselessness
and
how
the
code
would
addressed
that,
I
think
one
of
the
things
people
talked
about
was
the
temporary
mass
shelters
in
high
school
gymnasiums
or
something
like
that
and
that
gets
handled
between
the
one.
That's
more
of
like
a
a
shelter
versus
more
of
a
permanent
mass
shelter
as
a
entity
not
not
as
people
staying
there.
B
Yeah
yeah
good
question
so
more
like
a
severe
event:
shelter,
yeah.
B
D
Yeah
go
ahead,
okay,
yeah!
So
scott,
that's
a
great
question.
So
we
have
there's
sort
of
two
sections
of
the
code
we
might
be
considering
when
you
think
of
permanent
and
temporary
usage.
So
a
permanent
use
would
have
a
certain
set
of
standards
and
would
be
a
shelter
that
could
be
located
at
a
site
permanently.
D
And
then
we
have
a
temporary
use
provision
section
of
the
code
which
would
allow
things
like
farm
stands
or
other
uses
that
only
operate
temporarily
and
so
that
both
words,
permanent
and
temporary
refer
to
the
use
itself
and
not
the
duration
of
any
one
person's
stay
at
the
site,
and
so
the
concept
would
be.
We
could
have
standards
in
the
code
for
a
permanent
shelter
site
and
we
could
have
standards
in
the
code
for
in
the
temporary
use
section
for
a
temporary
site
and
they
could
be
different
standards
right.
C
D
A
lower
bar
for
opening
it
in
a
temporary
use
code-
and
you
can
put
restrictions-
is
that
180
days
in
a
calendar
year
or
something
like
that.
We
also
by
doing
these
codes,
don't
necessarily
lose
the
ability
to
allow
even
greater
uses
through
the
use
of
an
emergency
order.
So
this
would
just
be
trying
to
reduce
the
number
of
times
that
we
use
an
emergency
order
by
making
permanent
provisions
in
the
code
for
different
types
of
uses.
B
Thanks
does
that
sound
okay,
yeah
yeah?
We
kind
of
wanted
to
keep
it
a
little
bit
separate
from
from
this
process,
so
yeah,
okay,
so
we're
envisioning
again
just
three
types
of
shelters.
So
there's
the
mass
shelter,
which
is
the
warming,
shelter
concept
or
shepherd's
house.
So
the
definition
is
a
building
that
contains
one
or
more
open
sleeping
areas
or
is
divided
only
by
non-permanent
partitions,
furnished
with
cots
floor
mats
or
bunks
for
temporary
overnight
accommodation.
H
So,
under
the
transitional
shelter
when
I
was
talking
before
about
a
our
micro
unit,
type
of
shelter,
which
had
been
known
as
single
room,
occupancy
hotel
type
situation,
would
that
be
under
the
transitional
because
we
talked
about,
I
think
your
shelter
definition
captured
what
I
was
looking
for,
but
I'm
just
not
sure
if,
where
this
fits
in,
because
it's
not
really
a
mass
shelter,
they're
individual
single
rooms.
So
how
are
we
capturing
that?
I
guess
is
the
question.
B
B
Ourselves,
in
so.
H
C
B
What
I'm
wondering
pauline-
maybe
if
you
could
speak
to
this,
but
what,
if
we
took
out
temporary
or
transitional
before
overnight,
in
the
transitional
shelter
definition,
so
it
would
just
be
a
building
providing
overnight
accommodations
in
sleeping
rooms
for
people
who
are
houseless
or
lack
permanent
housing.
B
K
J
So
I
think,
like
susannah
was
saying
the
less
details.
The
better
a
micro
unit
type
living
facility
would
fall
under
a
temporary
shelter
and
we're
not
going
to
define
what
temporary
or
transitional
means.
So
in
the
code
I
don't
see,
is
putting
in
well.
That
means
you
can
only
stay
60
days
because
we're
not
going
to
be
regulating
that.
H
I
guess
part
of
my
concern
is
when
we
go
out
for
public
comment,
that
there's
clarity
enough
clarity,
that
people
don't
feel
we're
trying
to
pull
pull
one
over
on
them.
You
know
or
something
because
I
just
want
to
make
it
global
enough-
that
it
need
it.
It
gets
what
we
need,
but
at
the
same
time
it's
clear
enough
that
people
are
comfortable
with
this
during
the
public
output
portion.
So
I
guess
it's
a
fine
line
to
walk,
but
so
pauline.
H
J
Well,
I
guess
I
I
need
to
understand
like
because
these
are
going
to
have
very
different
regulations
like
a
micro
unit,
has
a
different
parking
regulation
than
what
I
foresee
a
transitional
shelter
micro
units
are
allowed
in
different
zones.
That
may
be
what
the
transitional
shelter
is
going
to
be
allowed
in.
So
maybe,
as
we
dive
into
the
details
of
what
a
transitional
shelter
requires,
then
we
can
talk
about
whether
or
not
that
captures
it
being
a
micro
unit
at
that
time.
Maybe
we
want
to
see
what
the
standards
are.
J
First
for
transitional
shelter
and
if
we
need
to
add
some
clarity,
then
that
that
would
be
maybe
the
time
we
look
into
that,
because
a
micro
unit
definitely
has
different
zones.
It
can
be
in
like
excuse
me,
remember
it
can't
be
in
the
standard
residential
zone
unless
it's
part
of
a
neighborhood
commercial
mixed-use
kind
of
building,
so
it
limits
where
it
could
go,
whereas
a
transitional
shelter
depending
on
the
conversation
here,
might
be
able
to
go
in
different
places.
J
Right
micro
units,
the
one
that
we
just
adopted
as
permanent
or
you
know,
rental
housing,
and
then
the
shelter
would
be
for
people
who
are
looking
for
temporary
or
transitional
overnight.
We're
not
regulating
how
many
nights
are
going
to
be
there
unless
this
group
comes
up
with
that,
but
I
doubt
we
will
and
then
it
really
is
geared
more
towards
people
who
are
houseless
or
who
lack
permanent
housing.
J
L
L
I
I
I
want
to
respond
to
kathy's
comment.
I
do
think
whether
we
include
timing
or
not-
and
I
understand
that
if
we
did
there'd
be
an
entire
enforcement
issue,
we'd
have
to
discuss,
but
just
for
the
assumption
that
we're
not
going
to
put
time
limits
on
anything.
I
do
think
we
need
to
be
prepared
to
explain
why
there
are
no
time
limits.
L
I
I
think
there
are
those
that
are
going
to
say
well
shouldn't
it
be
30
days
or
60
days
or
six
months,
and
we
just
should
be
able
to
explain,
for
whatever
reasons
legal
reasons,
whatever
reasons
it
may
be,
we
need
to
be
prepared
to
explain
to
the
public
in
general.
Why
there's?
No
time
limits
my
other
question
for
pauline
would
be
when
we
were
discussing
micro
units.
L
L
C
G
Well,
yeah,
I
think,
in
the
prior
meeting
minutes
we
described
a
few
different
types
of
shelters
and
micro
units
was
was
separated
and
not
it
doesn't
didn't
fall
into
any
of
these
three
new
definitions,
but
it
seemed
like
it
was
leaning
more
towards
the
outdoor
shelter
design
based
on
you
know,
other
explanations
that
I
found
in
maybe
maybe
that
was
in
the
portland
data
also,
but
it
seems
like
you
know,
micro
unit
can
be
long-term
use
and
transitional
right,
and
so
I
think,
trying
to
define
micro
unit
in
one
set
of
terms
is
the
cart
before
the
horse.
G
It's
just
a
solution
set
to
various
kinds
of
problems,
affordable,
housing
problem.
You
know
you
might
use
micro
units
for
affordable
housing.
You
know
where
they
can
be
rented
long
term
and
you
might
use
micro
unit
developments
for
transitional
shelter.
L
I
was,
I
was
concerned
about
any
conflict
that
we
had
with
code
that
we're
writing
for
micro
units,
that's
kind
of
where
I
was
going.
I
hear
you,
I
think,
a
micro
unit.
It
gets
a
label
and
we
think
of
it
as
oh.
A
micro
unit
is
something
to
help
with
affordable
housing.
So
we
just.
I
think
we
need
to
be
able
to
explain
that
there
may
be
two
different
types
of
micro
units,
because
we've
got
a
code
that
we're
working
on
for
micro
units
and
now
we're
including
them
in
outdoor
shelters.
L
D
Yes,
I
could,
I
think,
we're
talking
about
maybe
three
different
kinds
of
micro
units,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
all
kind
of
on
the
same
page.
So
we
have
a
micro
unit
code
that
was
just
adopted.
That
is,
I
would
describe
more
as
an
apartment,
building
full
of
very
small
studio
apartments
with
various
internal
requirements.
D
We
have
an
outdoor
shelter
site
which
could
be
multiple
kind
of
tiny,
home
or
rv
type
buildings,
and
we
have
a
transitional
shelter
which
may
be
more
like
a
motel
like
the
bethlehem
or
like
a
residential
home
that
has
multiple
sleeping
rooms
in
it
for
use
as
a
shelter.
D
So
we
have
three
different
categories
and
I
think
we're
talking
micro
unit
a
little
bit
interchangeably
for
those
three
different
uses
and
I
think
the
single
room
occupancy
that
kathy
was
talking
about,
maybe
sometimes
looks
like
a
micro
unit,
an
apartment,
building,
full
of
tiny
studio
apartments
and
maybe
sometimes
looks
like
a
transitional
shelter
more
like
the
bethlehem
in
where
not
necessarily
every
unit
has
a
bathroom
or
a
kitchen.
So
just
wanted
to
to
try
and
tease
those
apart
a
little
bit.
I
Yeah,
I
was
just
going
to
add,
I
think.
Maybe
we
keep
saying
micro
unit
and-
and
I
feel
like
we
should
kind
of
avoid
saying
micro
unit,
because
micro
unit
is
a
specific
type
of
development.
I
It's
like
a
it
looks
more
like
a
like
a
hotel
room
that
has
specific
kind
of
specific
code
things
with
it
that
or
that
provides
housing.
I
I
mean
we
got
into
the
weeds
with
it
in
terms
of
dedicating
an
outlet,
because
we
knew
someone
would
probably
bring
a
fridge
in
or
a
countertop
kind
of
stove
type
of
deal.
There's
requirements
of
public
spaces
and
shared
kitchens,
and
a
lot
of
these
are
are
were
tailored
towards
making
sure
that
this
was
a
place.
That
was,
that
was
more
of
like
a
permanent
residence
for
those
studios.
I
So
so,
when
we
talk
about
micro
units,
I
think
I
I
kind
of
feel
like
that's,
and
I
I
think
this
transitional
shelter
we
should
pay
from
using
that
because
I
think
there's
just
a
little
there's
just
too
much
attachment.
That
goes
along
with
with
calling
these
things
micro
units,
and
I
don't
want
unintended
consequences
to
transition
in
these
discussions
and
as
far
as
I
wanna
just
the
thing
is,
I
don't
think
as
long
as
we
make
it
clear,
the
city
is
not
imposing
any
time
limits
on
these
there.
I
You
know,
whatever
entities
are
running
these
shelters
if
they
have
their
own
or
something
then
that's
up
to
them,
but
but,
as
far
as
time
limits
for
staying
there,
the
if
the
city
just
says
it's
not
up
to
us.
I
think
that's
pretty
easy
explanation.
G
Yeah,
I
guess
I
would.
I
would
second
that
in
so
much
as
time
limit
seems
to
be
more
like
a
standard.
When
we
talked
about
restrooms
and
showers
and
laundry
being
a
standard,
not
a
code,
you
know
or
a
zoning
item.
You
know
I
think
time
limits
to
the
extent
that
it
gets
specified,
falls
under
the
standards
category,
but
back
to
this
micro
unit
thing-
and
I
promise
I
won't
use
it
s.
You
know
my
my
translation
from
especially
reading
portland
and
then
our
initial
experience
with
veterans
villages.
G
You
know
a
lot
of
these
things
that
appear
to
be
you
know.
Micro
units
are
really
sro
right,
single
room
occupancy
and
there's
a
there
can
be.
You
know
a
standard
for
that,
but
we're
not
necessarily
you
know
identifying
that
so
far
and
there's
the
secondary
component
that
sro
doesn't
have
to
be
in.
You
know
we
keep
referring
to
transitional
shelter
like
bethlehem,
inn
or
shepherd's
house
in
these
single
structures,
but
it
can
be
distributed.
Sro
also
right.
G
G
B
So
the
that
concept-
the
veterans,
village
concept
eric
we
were
trying
to
capture
in
the
outdoor
shelter
definition.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I'm
wondering
if,
under
the
transitional,
shelter
definition
pauline
if
we
could
add
a
second
sentence
that
says
you
know
something
like
a
transitional
shelter
may
become
permanent.
As
you
know,
over
time,
I
don't.
I
don't
know
something
like
that.
That
acknowledges
that
it
could
become
permanent
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
it
becomes
non-conforming
and
the
residents
you
know
the
owner
has
to
go
through
another
process.
J
So
one
suggestion
is,
you
know
whenever
there's
a
change
of
use.
You
know
the
building
code
comes
into
play,
so
if
it
is
a
prude
as
a
transitional
shelter,
I
don't
know
if
there's
other
building
code
requirements
that
would
kick
in
if
it
became
a
true
apartment,
building
or
a
true
micro
unit
development.
I
think
the
best
thing
to
do
honestly
is
probably
are
start
with
these
definitions
and
then
we'll
start
moving
into
what
the
standards
look
like
for
each
of
these,
so
that
you
start
getting
a
good
picture
of
what.
J
What
are
we
going
to
require
for
a
mass
shelter?
What
are
we
going
to
require
for
a
transitional
shelter
in
an
outdoor
shelter
and
those
standards
will
help
really
define
what
we
want
for
a
transitional
shelter
and
we're
not
going
to
call
anything
a
micro
unit
in
the
transitional
shelter
because
we
already
have
micro
units,
but
what
we
will
define
as
a
transitional
could
look
and
act
like
a
micro
unit.
But
it's
not
one.
It's
a
transitional
shelter.
C
K
Sorry
barb,
I
just
have
a
question
about
day,
shelters
and
if
that's
something
that
is
even
part
of
this
consideration,
just
specifically
about
like
some
of
these
mass
shelters
or
transitional
shelters,
won't
be
open
all
the
time
and
I
just
especially
think
about
safe
places.
When
we
come
into
heat,
cold
and
season,
let
alone
just
existence
having
people
have
places
for
hygiene.
K
You
know
providers,
you
know
lockers
whatever
you
know
mail,
whatever
comes
into
a
day
center,
if
that's
even
something,
that's
part
of
this
consideration
or
if
I'm
totally
out
of
the
wheelhouse,
but
I
just
you
know,
think
about
all
the
places
and
that
not
all
shelters
are
always
available
all
the
time.
So
that's
just
something
that
I
was
thinking
about
after
our
last
meeting
and
if
I'm
totally
in
the
wrong
wheel
of
house,
I
I
apologize,
but
just
wondering
if
day
shelters
are
part
of
our
consideration.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
good
point.
Yeah
and.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
that
comes
into
the
next
slide
that
we're
gonna
get
to,
which
is
what
what
is
allowed
or
not
allowed.
What
may
be
present
what
must
be
present
in
any
site,
and
I
think
day
use
is
one
of
those
suggestions
for
what
may
be
present
but
is
not
required
of
every
shelter.
So
I
think
that's
a
standard
and
that's
a
great
question
and
a
good
segue
into
the
next
discussion
topics.
M
M
So
when
we
look
at
the
three
types
when
we
have
a
building
a
building
or
a
lot
or
parcels,
so
that
is
good
for
me.
What
I
wonder
about
is
the
last
part
of
each
of
them.
So
the
first
one
says
it's
for
temporary
overnight
accommodation.
M
It
seems
to
me
like
they're
all
for
the
same
thing,
and
maybe
we
want
to
tighten
up
so
that
they
all
have
because
they're
all
for
temporary
overnight
no
combination,
if
I'm
not
mistaken
and
they're
all
for
houseless
or
black
permanent
housing.
Does
that
make
any
sense.
B
J
That
out,
the
shelter
definition
catches
exactly
what
you're
saying
barb.
So
we
can
take
out
the
specifics
out
of
the
mass
transitional
outdoor
because
they
all
fall
under
that
shelter
definition
which
captures
the
lack
of
permanent
housing
and
that
they're,
temporary
or
permanent.
So
we
can
clean
up
the
three
definitions
so
they're,
not
so
repetitive
and
yeah
a
little
bit
different
in
words.
Exactly.
G
So
maybe
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
set
of
standard
definitions
of
glossary
or
whatever,
so
we
can
make
sure
we're
talking
the
same
language.
You
know
temporary
overnight,
so
we
have
temporary
or
transitional.
So
transitional
means
maybe
not
temporary,
because
it's
going
on
for
maybe
up
to
two
years
for
an
example
that
doesn't
sound
temporary,
it's
certainly
not
permanent
right
and
then
there
is
some
transition.
G
So
so
maybe
my
I
propose
we
just
have
a
glossary
with
some
common
definitions,
so
we
can
stay
on
the
same
page
like
we
got
into
trouble
with
the
micro
unit
thing
because
it's
kind
of
a
generic
term,
but
there's
also
codified
language
around
what
it
is
in
the
city.
N
If
I
can
just
add
one
comment
in
regards
to
the
day
shelter,
I
think
we
should
kind
of
put
that
on
another
conversation,
because
that
to
me
gets
confusing
where
we
could
consider
that
more
of
a
navigation
center
which
will
take
that
shelter
word
away
for
a
day
center.
I
think,
and
that's
going
to
have
a
whole
different
set
of.
G
Guidelines
and
to
continue
that
thought
process,
I
think
the
definition
of
a
navigation
center.
We
should
probably
try
to
understand,
because
it's
it's
something
that
we
see
a
lot
these
days
in
house
bills
and
whatnot,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
exactly
clear
what
it
is
and
some
other
people,
I'm
in
the
services
provision
side
of
things
have
also
mentioned
some
confusion.
C
G
B
Yeah
pauline
do
we
have
a
definition
yet
for
a
navigation
center.
B
We
should
probably
do
that
as
part
of
these
amendments
yeah,
because
with
the
funding
and
the
house
bill,
that's
authorizing
us
to
have
one
it'll
be
coming
soon.
Okay,
all
right!
Let
me
go
to
the
next
slide.
I
also
wanted
to
address
the
short-term
rental
comment
that
came
up
to.
I
think
constant,
that
we
can
put
something
in
the
standards
to
that
effect.
B
So
these
are
what
we
were
thinking
would
be
provided
with
with
all
shelters,
all
all
three
shelter
types
restrooms
on-site
management.
At
all
times.
The
facility
is
open
for
services,
trash
and
or
garbage
service
service,
a
waiting
area
if
waiting
or
first
come
first
serve
services
are
provided.
B
So
you
know,
if
you're
not
providing
that,
then
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
a
waiting
area,
landscaping
or
buffering
or
other
standards
required
by
the
underlying
zoning
district
and
associated
standards.
So
we
already
have
a
lot
of
standards
for
development
in
those
underlying
zoning
districts.
B
So
we
didn't
want
to
repeat
those
here
and
be
redundant
and
we
can.
We
can
come
back
if
you
have
questions
about
that
with
more
information
about
each
zoning
district,
but
that's
normally
where
landscaping
buffering
fences,
things
like
that
are
required,
and
then
parking
is
a
big
big
one
and
we
felt
like
we
might
need
a
separate
conversation
about
that
at
another
meeting
and
then
other.
B
L
Yeah
susanna,
I
know
we
don't
have
a
should
calling
yeah,
we
have
must
may
and
we
don't
have
a
but
one
of
the
things
that
may
fall
under
other.
But
I
know
we
talked
about
how
important
access
to
transportation
is
for
our
houseless.
C
Okay,
that's
a
good.
E
B
D
I
don't
know,
I
would
say
you
know
when
we're
looking
at
what
our
application
comes
in
and
a
reviewer
or
a
planner
or
the
public
needs
to
look
at
the
application
and
say:
does
this
meet
the
criteria
in
the
code?
Should
is
not
something
where
you
can
check
the
box?
Is
this
a
yes
or
a
no,
and
I
think
those
are
the
kind
of
criteria
we
want
to.
I
mean
we
want
to
encourage.
D
Sometimes
we
want
to
encourage
certain
things,
and
so
maybe
you
give
a
bonus
if
it's
closer
to
transportation
or
something
like
that,
you
know
if
it's
a
must
be
within
a
half
mile
or
a
quarter
mile
of
x
type
of
transportation
facility.
I
think
that
could
be
a
must
standard
may
standard
for
transportation.
D
You
know,
maybe
something
else
to
encourage
co-location
of
some
kind
of
transportation
service,
I
think,
should
is
a
tough
as
a
tough
type
of
criteria
to
include
when
you're
looking
at
what
are
the
requirements.
G
H
J
Other
parts
of
the
code
for
transportation
is
kind
of
what
elizabeth
said.
It's
like
an
incentive.
So,
if
you're
located
within
certain
distance
to
transportation,
maybe
you
get
a
reduced
parking
requirement.
I
J
Looking
at
what
zones
are
going
to
be
in
maybe
we're
and
I'm
just
I'm
not
saying
what
zones
I'm
just
making
this
up,
but
let's
say
we
were
talking
about
one
of
the
shelters
in
our
standard
residential,
but
maybe
not
all
of
the
santa
residential,
maybe
only
if
it's
located
within
a
certain
distance
of
transportation,
so
move
it
to
the
must,
if
it
becomes
an
incentive,
because
may
is
really
what
we're
saying
with
this
may
column,
which
is
similar
to
what
we
have
in
the
code
today.
J
Is
we
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
it's
okay
to
have
a
daycare
facility
at
the
site?
You
don't
have
to
go
through
another
process
and
it's
okay
to
have
clothing
and
laundry
facilities,
or
if
you
want
to
provide
meals
and
dining,
it's
not
an
additional
review
process.
It's
we're
just
acknowledging
that
it's
okay!
If
you
want
to
offer
it,
there's
no
additional
review
the
message
you
have
to
provide
it
in
order
to
comply.
I
Okay
is
there
for
people
who
have
kind
of
worked
with
the
with
these
facilities
before.
I
How
one
handle
dogs,
I
know
a
lot
of
houseless
people
have
dogs
and
them
to
go
to
appointments
or
or
something
is
there
are
there.
N
This
is
stacy
when
we
ran
the
program.
The
way
we
managed
this
was
we
treated
everyone's
dog
under
the
guidelines
of
the
ada,
and
so
they
were
considered
to
be
service
dogs.
So
you
had
to
be
compliant
make
sure
your
dog
was
with
you
at
all
times
on
a
leash,
clean
up
and
that
we
did
have
additional
crates
on
site.
N
In
case
we
had
a
dog
that
had
any
behavioral
issues
and
didn't
get
a
well
get
along
well
with
other
dogs,
because
not
allowing
dogs
is
a
huge
barrier
for
our
unhoused
community
members
to
access
services,
and
then
we
did
work
with
folks
on
getting
the
the
criteria
if
needed,
but
it
can
be
expensive,
and
so
we
didn't
want
that
to
be
a
barrier.
N
So
that's
how
we
managed
it,
and
then
we
did
have
like
I
said
crates,
and
usually
people
would
trade
with
other
people
if
they
had
to
go
to
court
or
go
to
a
meeting
that
did
not
let
their
dog
into
the
facility.
D
I
No,
no,
no,
I
was
just
I
was
just
wondering
I
wasn't
talking
about
prohibiting.
I
was
talking
about
having
facilities
that
would
that
would
assist
with
bringing
dogs
in
such
as,
if
you
had
a
section,
if
it
was
a
larger
facility
and
you
had
kind
of
crate
or
kennel
areas,
if
there
would
be
a
conflict
with
the
code
or
if
that
needs
to
be
kind
of
protected
within
the
within
the
code,
for
a
transitional.
B
Yeah,
that's
actually,
I
think,
a
good
point,
because
we
probably
have
prohibitions
in
some
zoning
districts
for
kennel
facilities
and
I
have
to
apologize
if
you're
hearing
hammering
we
we're
getting
our
roof.
Re
done
they're
supposed
to
come
tomorrow
and
we
got
a
text
last
night
at
nine
that
they
were
coming
or
today.
So
I
think
they're
right
over
over
where
I
am.
H
I
would
support
that
it
being
in
the
may,
because
I
think
one
of
the
examples
that
we
saw
included
a
fenced
area
for
four
pets,
but
I
like
the
idea
of
calling
them
service,
animals
and
and
kind
of
controlling
it.
That
way,
I
think
that
stacy
brought
up
made
a
lot
of
sense,
but
yes,
we
don't
want
to
prevent.
H
K
In
the
shelter
is
that
in
the
shelters
that
when
we
were
a
low
barrier-
and
so
we
didn't
even
require
ada
compliant
like
like
that-
that
animal
be
ada
certified,
we
just
had
contracts
that
people
would
sign,
so
they
could
bring
in
whatever
animals
they
had
with
them.
But
then
it
would
say
that
they
they
were
required
to
take
care
of
their
animals
or
find
someone
similar
like
what
stacy
was
saying
to
take
care
of
them.
If
they
had
to
go
to
court
or
work
or
treatment
or.
A
F
Yeah
this
is
brianna.
I
had
a
question
on
the
on-site
management
and
the
waiting
area
as
far
as
the
must-haves,
so
on-site
management
to
me
that
it
says
at
all
times,
so
is
there
a
requirement
that
that's
like
an
office,
or
is
it
just
that
there
is
management
that,
but
it
could
be
an
individual
just
located
in
the
is
it
really
a
building
element
and
then
on
the
waiting
area,
just
understanding
what
the
need
is
there
for
it
being
a
must.
D
So
I
can
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
brianna's.
What
was
the
discussion
with
the
previous?
You
know
recent
development
code
changes
for
shelters,
so
the
discussion
about
management
was
that
there
just
be
a
management
presence.
This
isn't
a
building
requirements,
a
standard
of
operation
almost
that
to
qualify
as
a
transitional
shelter,
and
I
think
this
is
a
piece
that
helps
us
differentiate
between
an
apartment,
building
or
a
micro
unit
and
a
shelter
use
is
the
management
piece.
Is
there
and
the
at
all
times.
D
The
facility
is
open
for
services
says
if
you
are
open
only
overnight,
that's
when
management
would
be
required
to
be
present
if
you're
open,
24
hours.
If
you
have
a
day,
shelter
component,
then
24
hours
would
be.
My
management
is
required
to
be
on
site,
but
this
particular
sentence
doesn't
require
any
particular
office
or
building
space.
For
that.
D
Then
your
second
question
about
a
waiting
area,
so
this
was
a
tweak
of
something
that
was
existing
in
the
code
already,
and
this
is,
I
think,
the
intention
behind
this
sentence
in
the
existing
code
was
to
not
have
folks
lining
up
on
the
site
for
services.
D
So
if
you're
going
to
do,
first
come
first
serve
services
or
if
you're
going
to
have
people
waiting
for
services,
then
you
need
to
provide
a
waiting
area
on
site
of
sufficient
size
for
the
the
people
waiting
that
you
expect
to
have
so
that
you
have
a
waiting
area
inside
or
outside,
but
on
the
site
and
you're,
not
having
people
lining
up
on
the
sidewalk
waiting
for
services
or
in
the
roadway.
D
G
Can
I
ask
a
question
about
the
definition
of
open
for
services
so
again
I'll
just
be
selfish
and
think
about
what
we
experienced
it
with
veterans,
villages,
we're
not
open
for
first
come
first
serve
or
any
kind
of
walk-ins.
We
have
15
residents
that
go
through
a
screening
process
and
then
ultimately,
we'll
be
living
there,
full-time
and
under
under
full-time
case
management,
but
full-time
case
management
means
maybe
40
out
40
hours
a
week
or
maybe
seven
days
a
week
part-time.
G
You
know.
So
are
we
any
ever
open
for
services
or
are
we
always
open
for
services?
I'm
surface
would
be
providing
during
the
day,
but
then
you
know
the
the
houseless
folks
that
are
going
through
transitional
case
management.
You
know,
will
be
not
case
management,
maybe
after
five
o'clock
and
until
maybe
eight
in
the
morning.
The
next
day
does
this
requirement
requires
someone,
be
there
sleeping.
D
So
eric
in
the
just
what
you've
just
described
I
would
interpret
the
way
this
is
written
is
that
your
facility
would
be
open
for
services
having
people
on
your
site
24
hours,
so
a
management
or
a
person
in
charge
would
be
required
to
be
identified
at
all
times.
D
G
Yeah
I'll
just
submit
a
vote
down
on
that,
so
not
requiring
full-time
on-site
management
or.
O
P
G
A
vote
down
on
the
definition
of
open
for
services
either
one
you
know
because
together
they
become
you,
know,
inclusive
and
restrictive.
F
H
D
G
G
You
know
so
the
houseless
villagers
going
through
transition
and
they
have
a
council
leader
or
a
council
chair-
is
that
on-site
management.
D
G
G
You
know
what
is
the
definition
of
person
in
charge.
You
know
what
are
not
that
I'm
looking
for
resume
requirements,
but
in
terms
of
our
neighbors
you
know
we
want
to
understand.
Okay,
this
person
has
authority
who
is
investing
in
the
authority
in
this
individual.
You
know
by
what
it
means
and
is
that
satisfactory
to
our
neighbors.
B
Okay,
so
we
can
add
a
definition
of
what
management
implies
and
then
how
does?
How
does
this
look.
B
M
You
know
we
don't
refer
to
it
as
management.
I
don't
think
in
the
short-term
rental,
but
I
think
it's
that
same
idea
of
what
we're
looking
for
here
is
there's
somebody
who
to
call
who's,
not
the
police
right,
obviously,
some
level
a
problem.
It's
just
straight,
go
to
the
police,
but
I
think
it
is
reassuring
for
neighbors
to
know.
There's
some
phone
number
there's
some
entity
there's
some
thing
guiding
this
whole
project,
and
that's
where
you
can
put,
I
I
think
of
like
good
neighbor
agreement.
J
P
B
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
work
on
this,
this
provision,
yeah,
okay,
anyone
else
have
any
comments
on
that
on
the
management
piece.
N
Just
really
quickly
I'll
add
in
our
safe
car
parking
model.
What
we
did
was
we
notified
neighbors
that
there
would
be
a
24
7
person
on
call
and
we
distributed
that
number
and
then
it's
posted
at
the
site
that
you
know
in
the
event
of
an
emergency
call
and
I'm
the
one
who's
24
7.,
and
that
seemed
to
suffice
for
people
and
seem
to
it's
worked
at
least
for
the
time
that
we've
done
safe
car
parking
right
and
then.
D
C
B
B
I
can't
see
anyone,
but
just
go
ahead
and
take
one
if
you
need
to
okay,
okay
parking,
so
yeah
there's
a
you
know,
obviously,
a
bigger
discussion
going
on
city-wide
about
parking
and
parking
minimums
and
requirements,
and
things
like
that,
but
we
felt
like
a
lot
of
folks.
Their
cars
are
their
home
and
it
would
be
wise
to
maybe
require
some
parking
at
at
these
shelter
types.
N
N
And
I'm
thinking
about
the
emergency
shelter
at
the
sheriff's
department,
so
there
were
I'm
trying
to
remember
numbers
roughly
40
45
guests,
and
there
are
a
number
of
folks
that
do
have
vehicles
and
I
think
it'd
be
good
to
get
those
numbers
from
shepherd's
house.
But
it's
it
for
that
program
with
the
40
or
50.
It
tended
to
be
about
10
to
15
folks.
That
did
in
fact
have
vehicles
that
were
there.
So
I
think
some
parking
is
going
to
be
important.
N
Yeah,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
just
kind
of
thinking
back
and
I
do
I'm
not
familiar
with
parking
codes.
So
I
don't
know
the
existing
codes
in
terms
of
how
many
spots,
but
I
do
know
that
there
are.
There
is
a
percentage
of
our
folks
that
do
have
vehicles
that
would
need
to
park
them
in
a
safe
space.
If
utilizing
the
shelter.
K
I
kind
of
a
similar
statement.
I
ran
the
hanson
shelter,
which
was
in
the
sheriff's
department
of
multnomah
county,
and
we
luckily
had
a
very
large
parking
lot
because
we
had
200
folks
that
stayed
there
so
finding
if
you
have
the
opportunity
for
parking
that
it
being
very
beneficial
for
folks
who
have
their
cars,
because
I
also
ran
a
shelter
in
a
second
floor
of
a
business
building
in
downtown
portland
and
none
of
us
had
parking.
So
then
that
was
an
issue
for
folks
who
had
their
cars.
So.
A
Could
I
ask
a
question:
is
there
any
concern
that
it
wouldn't
just
end
up
being
parking?
It
would
end
up
being.
This
is
a
safe
place
to
be
so.
I'm
gonna
park,
my
rv
here
and
and
hang
out
for
a
couple
of
months.
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's,
if
that's
a
concern,
if
that's
something
that
the
providers
have
seen
before,
because
I
could
see
that
being
been
an
issue
with
the
neighborhood.
N
That
was
written
in
the
guidelines
and
when
you
come
in
to
use
shelter
facility
that
you
understood
that
there
would
be
no
sleeping
in
your
vehicle
in
the
parking
lot,
so
that
was
written
in
there
and
I
believe
at
the
sheriff's
office.
All
the
vehicles
needed
to
be
cleared
in
the
morning
because
it
was
only
from
6
pm
to
6
or
7
am
so
they
did
have
those
guidelines
and
each.
I
don't
like.
The
rule
guideline
was
signed
by
each
of
the
guests
with
that
kind
of
understanding,
yeah.
K
Sorry
to
add
to
that,
we
we
had
a
contract
similar,
and
it
was
like
part
of
the
good
neighbor
agreement
too,
such
as
like.
Please
don't
work
on
your
car
in
the
parking
lot.
You
know
and
also
like
the
no
sleeping
and
things
like
that,
and
so
we
always
knew
whose
cars
were
in
the
parking
lot
and
what
that
kind
of
like
the
safety
sweep
was
like
walking
periodically
outside
making
sure
that
everyone
was
okay.
K
N
Did
have
to
sign
in
if
they
had
a
vehicle
and
then
they
did
have
to
give
their
license
plate
number,
and
so
that
also
helped
to
eliminate
that
problem.
I
think
parking
will
also
help
if
we're
going
to
access
volunteers
from
the
community
to
come
in
to
help
with
food
things
like
that.
I
think
that
really
helps
that
they
do
have
some
some
parking
spots
available
for
them.
H
H
For
instance,
if
there
was
an
opportunity
to
have
an
agreement
so
that
if
there
was
a
shuttle
available
that
that
some
of
these
vehicles
could
be
parked
off
site,
because
my
thinking
is
a
lot
of
times,
there's
going
to
be
cases
where
it's
a
perfect
site
for
a
shelter
but
there's
simply
not
enough
parking,
and
yet
we
have
excess
parking
all
across
town.
So
it'd
be
great.
N
No,
it's
a
great
idea.
I
know
in
washington
state
there
was
a
program
that
tried
that
and
it
created
several
different
challenges.
One
if
you
imagine
everything
you
own
in
the
world
is
in
that
vehicle,
the
thought
of
leaving
it
a
distance
from
you
was
really
overwhelming.
We
also
ran
into
the
problem
that
all
of
a
sudden
at
midnight,
someone
would
remember
that
their
insulin
or
their
heart,
medicine
was
in
their
vehicle
and
if
it
wasn't
on
site,
then
how
do
we
get
back
over
to
that
vehicle?
N
D
D
H
And
the
idea
of
providing
storage
in
the
shelters
it
I'm
guessing,
it
would
never
be
enough
for
what
people
have
in
their
cars
to
have.
That
fear.
I
mean
I,
I
appreciate
stacey
what
you're
saying
that
that
all
makes
sense.
It
just
seems
like
there
should
be
an
option
somehow
to
do
it
that
way,
if
it
made
the
most
sense,
I
mean.
H
Obviously
the
best
is
if
it
could
be
adjacent,
but
if
there
are
circumstances
where
that
just
isn't
going
to
work,
and
maybe
a
thousand
feet
isn't
enough,
I
don't
know
I
just
wanted
to
put
it
out
there
that
there
are
locations
in
town
where
we
have
tons
of
parking
and
nobody
parking
in
it
that
there
could
be
some
agreement
but
yeah.
I
don't
know
how
practical
that
would
be.
F
Maybe
it's
a
specialty
application,
that's
just
parking,
maybe
not
people
using
a
shelter
or
something
like
that
that
you
could
apply
for
those
type
of
oversized
parking
lots
to
be
used
as
parking
areas
at
certain
areas
or
times
or
different
things
like
that.
But
it
would
be
a
separate
application
to
utilize
those.
C
D
Also
wanted
to
just
provide
clarification
on
the
overnight
use
of
vehicles
question,
so
we
did
just
adopt
two
programs
into
the
municipal
code.
One
allows
for
overnight
sleeping
and
vehicle
up
to
three
vehicles
on
any
religious
or
commercial,
non-profit
or
public
entity
owned
site,
so
conceivably,
a
shelter
site
would
be
owned
by
one
of
those
types
of
entities
and
could
allow
overnight
sleeping
in
vehicles,
but
that's
an
operational
property
owner.
D
It
concerns
there's
also
the
safe
parking
program
which,
with
through
application
to
the
city,
an
owner
or
a
lessee,
could
allow
up
to
six
vehicles
to
be
used
for
overnight
sleeping
so
it
would
be
a
separate
program,
a
separate
application,
but
it
could
be
allowed
on
the
same
site
as
a
shelter
site.
As
the
code
is
currently
written.
We
wanted
to
disallow
that
shorter
site
could
not
take
advantage
of
a
safe
parking
or
a
temporary
overnight
camping
program.
That
could
be
a
standard
to
to
discuss
here.
B
So
not
make
so
create
a
provision
to
not
make
them
a
safe
parking
and
a
transition
and
a
shelter
type
on
one
site.
And
so.
D
D
B
Process
not
for
the
development
code
yeah.
Is
that
something
that
the
group
feels
strongly
about,
and
I
think
hans
had
to
leave
so
I
just
want
to
he's
still
on
the
screen,
but
I
think
he
sent
me
a
note.
He
had
to
leave
for
a
medical
thing.
So
let's
see
is
that
something
that
the
group
is
interested
in
discussing
whether
we
should
limit
shell,
that
temporary
shelter
type
concept
and
then
you
can't
have
a
safe
parking
on
the
same
site.
B
It
seems
somewhat
limiting
to
me
if
you
look
at
what
medford's
kind
of
been
doing
with
their
evolving
camp
urban
campground
and
things
like
that
they've
kind
of
left
it
a
little
more
open,
but
it's
certainly
something
we
could
talk
about.
If
we
wanted
to
make
a
recommendation.
G
I
don't
think
you
should
limit
it
personally.
If,
if
you
can
comply
with
both
uses
and
both
uses,
you
know
meet
all
of
the
requirements
and
standards
and
they
happen
to
be
co-located
great.
You
know
all
the
better,
you
have
you
know
better
access
to
case
management
and
on-site
management
and
all
of
the
other
things
you
know
all
the
good
neighbor
policies,
all
that
good
stuff.
N
I
agree,
I
think
I
wouldn't
limit
it
either.
I
think
it
has
a
lot
of
benefits
and
I
think,
the
more
open
we
can
leave
things.
I
think
the
better
off
we'll
be.
B
J
Maybe
we
could
put
some
language
in
there
referencing
that
that
type
of
parking
is
allowed
in
accordance
with
and
the
reference
the
code
section,
because
I
can
short-term
rentals
we're
very
specific
about
prohibiting
it
and
in
other
sections.
So
I
think
it'd
be
good
just
to
acknowledge.
Yes,
it's
allowed
in
accordance
with
the
you
know.
Whatever
section
elizabeth
was
referring
to.
B
Yeah
sounds
good.
Okay,
so
we'll
bring
back
that
to
you
and
what
about
parking
parking
on
on-site
parking?
It
sounds
like
a
a
person.
A
property
owner
could
could
propose
to
do
the
thousand
foot
away,
co-locating
parking
type
thing
if
they
wanted
to,
but
it
sounds
like
the
most
of
the
group
here
wanted
to
provide
some
parking
on
site
for
folks.
That's
the
best
thing
for
the
users,
so.
H
H
You
know
I,
I
think
it
there
is
a
benefit
for
volunteers
to
come
and
have
parking.
I
know
I
volunteer
at
bethlehem
into
cook
and
we
want
to-
and
I
drive
all
the
way
across
town
to
get
there
and
it's
the
only
way
I
can
get
there.
So
you
know
there
does
need
to
be
some
parking
and,
generally
speaking,
I'm
one
of
those
people
that
believes
in
zero.
J
Just
for
clarity,
too,
we
have
three
different
types
of
shelters
that
we're
talking
about,
and
I
don't
know
that
a
mass
shelter
might
require
a
different
type
of
parking
requirement
versus
a
temporary
shelter
versus
the
outdoor
shelter.
So
we
might
want
to
break
down
first.
What
do
we
think
a
partner
in
crime?
It
would
be
for
mass
shelters
than
temporary
than
outdoor.
M
I
was
gonna
throw
in
there
before
pauline
asked
us
to
break
them
up,
but
I
was
gonna
say
what
about
half
point
two
point:
five
with
that
not
exemption,
but
some
you
can
take
some
of
that
away
with
location
next
to
transit,
so
0.5
is
required.
It
can
go
down
to
0.25,
maybe
if
there's
a
transit.
If
there's
transit
available
within.
B
I
see
some
nodding
heads
we
can.
We
can
run
the
numbers
on
something
like
that.
I
mean
in
a
big
shot.
Well
I'll
start
sharing
again,
but
in
the
bigger
shelters
with
like
150
beds
or
something
I
mean,
that's
75
parking
spots
so
that
that's
a
lot
so,
but
I
mean
that's
a
maximum,
so
a
person
would
you
know
an
organization
would
not
have
to
require.
You
know
that
much.
I
suppose
I
think
it's
a
maximum.
No.
C
B
Would
be
a
minimum,
so
we'd
want
to
kind
of
mess
with
that
a
little
bit
and
see
yeah.
H
0.25
makes
more
sense,
but
I
think
pauline
is
correct
in
identifying
so
the
different
types,
the
three
different
types
might
require
different
amounts.
What
I
don't
want
to
see
is
one
parking
space
for
every
person
who's
staying
there,
because
I.
C
N
G
B
That
might
be
a
good
idea,
but
we
can
go
back
and
run
some
examples
and
come
back
to
you
with
some
ideas.
What
that
looks
like
okay,
okay,
I'm
gonna
share
again,
so
we
can
move,
keep
moving.
Let's
see.
B
B
H
Would
the
may
column
here
be
a
place
where
someone
an
applicant
could
propose
an
alternative
way
of
providing
parking?
You
know
that
may
have
supervised
off-site
parking
with.
You
know
a
shuttle
blaster
you
know
so
that
there
is
some
way
of
accommodating
that
flexibility
as
we
move
forward.
H
I
I
know
you're
going
to
come
back
to
us
with
examples,
and
we
can
talk
about
it
then,
but
I'm
just
thinking
that
it
would
be
good
to
let
people
know
that
they
could
come
up
with
an
alternative
proposal
that
made
sense
in
their
specific
case
that
could
be
determined
by
the
planning,
commission
or
staff
or
whatever,
to
give
the
maximum
flexibility
going
forward,
because,
hopefully,
this
this
whole
exercise
is
good
for
many
years
into
the
future,
and
we
can't
anticipate
everything.
B
Okay,
so
the
next
thing
we
wanted
to
go
through
with
you
about,
and
let's
see
it's
a
bummer
hans
isn't
here
we
can
get
his
input
separately,
but
is
looking
at
where
these
different
types
of
shelters
should
be
located.
So
mass
shelters
and
transitional
shelters
are,
you
know,
structures,
buildings,
the
outdoor
shelter
definition
is
the
tiny
home
village
or
more
of
a
managed
camp,
and
so
it
made
sense
to
look
at
the
different
zoning
districts
for
mass
shelters
and
transitional
shelters
kind
of
together.
B
So
here
are
the
bend
zone.
Districts
and
the
residential
ones
are
all
here.
These
are
lower
density.
The
rlrs,
rm
and
rh
is
high,
our
higher
density,
more
multi-family.
B
So
looking
at
different
cities,
salem
and
eugene's
medfords,
we
thought
maybe
an
appropriate
starting
place,
and
this
is
this
is
just
you
know,
throwing
spaghetti
on
the
wall
again
would
be
20
bets
in
any
residential
district
for
a
for
a
public
or
institutional
use.
So
that
would
be
a
government
agency
a
a
school,
a
park.
B
You
could
go
up
to
50
beds
and
then
for
transitional
shelter.
We
have
a
bmb
which
is
slightly
different
but
allowed
in
residential,
which
is
four
rooms
or
eight
gets
guest
max
are
permitted,
and
so
that
was
just
a
starting
place
and
again
the
transitional
shelter
is
the
concept
of
project
turnkey,
so
individual
rooms,
mass
shelter,
is
the
larger
un
unpartitioned
area.
B
B
I
Yeah,
I
was
gonna
think
the
rh
and
rm
can
handle
more
beds
than
the
rsnrl.
B
Okay,
is
there
anyone
that
doesn't
feel
like
that?
I
actually
we
had
started
kind
of
with.
If
you
can
look
at
the
next
one
with
the
commercial
districts
with
our
rm
and
rh
in
here
instead,
so
we
could
either
add
them
to
a
separate
column
or
just
put
them
in
salem.
Has
their
higher
density
residential
districts
and
with
their
commercial
districts
also
so
either
way.
H
B
Okay,
so
let's
start
with
the
lower
density
zoning
districts,
then
so,
if
you
could
imagine,
let's
see
like
in
a
school
or
a
church
in
one
of
these
zones
with
20
beds,
be
appropriate
for
a
mass
shelter.
D
B
H
N
Well,
I
think
this
20
is
up
to
so
it
could
be
less
I'm
just
trying
to
reflect
back
and
when
I've
worked
on
these
before,
I
think
the
number
was
right
around
15
or
20.
For
for
this
zoning.
B
When
we
looked
at
our
you
know,
we've
got
a
few
larger
shelters
in
town,
bethlehem,
inn,
and
here
I
can
go
down
here.
Let's
say
the
winter
warming
shelter.
I
think
it
was
56
beds
for
some
reason
I
thought
it
was
70,
but
our
records
show
56,
but
shepherd's
house
is
30..
Beth
lemon
is
148,
but
they've
got
a
whole
bunch
of
varying
rooms.
B
And
then,
if
you
look
at
like
cascade
youth
and
family
and
the
women's
shelter
they're
more
like
15
beds,
so
we
sort
of
felt
offering
up
to
20
might
be.
You
know
that
would
be
on
the
high
side
but
reasonable.
If
somebody
wanted
to
do
16
instead
of
15
beds,
that
would
be
a
reasonable
place
to
start.
F
I'm
also
thinking
if
you
would
be
restricted
by
other
parts
of
the
code.
I
mean
a
lot
size
and
how
high
you
know
what
the
building
height
is
is
going
to
restrict
how
many
beds
you
connect.
I
mean
unless
you're
talking
like
bunk
beds
everywhere
or
something
like
that.
I
don't
know
that
you're
even
going
to
get
to
that
number.
Given
those
zones.
H
B
F
H
F
H
Yeah,
I
was
going
to
say
the
women's
shelter
that
I
did
was
12
bedrooms
and
it
looked
like
a
large
single-family
home
and
there
could
be
up
to
24
and
and
quite
a
few
of
them
were
children
staying
with
their
mothers.
So
I
would
be
happy
to
go
to
25,
knowing
that
there
are
other
requirements
that
would
take
care
of
safety.
D
P
D
C
M
I
I
think
we're
spending
a
lot
of
time
and
what
are
we
actually
liable
to
find
in
rl
or
rs
that
isn't
a
church
or
a
school
that
has
a
great
big
room
where
people
can
be
sleeping
and
then
having
said
that,
I'm
afraid
that
a
higher
number
might
upset
those
residents
more,
even
though
the
chances
that
it's
actually
going
to
happen
in
their
neighborhood
is
very
slim
again,
unless
it's
public
or
institutional,
which
we
think
could
be
up
to
50..
F
I
completely
understand
what
you're
I
mean.
I
my
gut
wants
these
everywhere,
but
in
a
realistic
sense
I
wonder
if
you
just
don't
have
mass
shelter,
I
mean
because
the
other
piece
is
what
lots
are
going
to
be
accessible
in
this
capacity
and
be
usable
for
people
if
they're
located
in
these
zones,
but-
and
it
may
be
a
sort
of
a
balancing
act
between
having
higher
usage
in
the
other
zones
and
not
in
having
sort
of
these
other
types
of
transitional,
maybe
not
math
shelter,
but
having
transitional
and
institutional
ones
in
this
zone.
But.
Q
If
I
may
interject,
this
is
lynn
wanted
to,
let
folks
know
saving
grace
is
in
standard
residential
zone.
I
believe
I'm
double
checking
that
right
now
they
currently
have
24
beds,
plus
a
little
bit
of
overflow,
so
I
don't
know
if
it
makes
sense
to
go
up
to
25
just
to
accommodate
their
existing
structure
or
if
we
want
to
try
to
create
a
pathway
for
them
to
remain
compliant
if
they
need
to
make
updates.
F
But
saving
grace,
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
cut
you
off,
but
saving
grace
is
not
a
mass
shelter.
Correct
saving
grace
is.
Q
That
is
true;
they
are
sort
of
in
that,
and
I'm
already
forgetting
our
little
categories.
They
do
have
sort
of
different
rooms,
I'll
say
but
bunks
throughout
those
different
rooms,
and
so
I
think
what
made
me
think
of
it
is
stacy's
comment
on.
F
Yeah,
no,
I
think
that's
a
good
point
and
I
think
that
would
still
be
it
because
these
are
where
we're
going
back
and
forth
is
more
on
the
mass
shelter.
So
I
wonder
if
that
goes
back
to
maybe
the
mass
shelter
isn't
the
right
fit
for
this
zone,
but
the
other
ones
that
are
on
the
table
all
are
and
make
sense.
E
J
Okay-
and
maybe
you
talked
about
it
because
I've
been
looking
online,
but
it
looks
like
portland
updated
their
code,
maybe
in
april
of
this
year,
and
so
in
their
very
low
zone
like
rl
is
20
and
then
I
would
say
comparable
would
maybe
be
rs
would
be
20.
But,
as
you
start
getting
into
the
higher
densities,
they
range
between
30
and
60.,
and
that's
for
the
number
of
beds
in
a
mass
shelter.
I
This
might
be
one
of
those.
There
might
be
some
opportunity
here
for
bonuses
for
proximity
to
transportation
or
even
amenities
offered.
You
know
I,
when
I
think
of
mass
shelter,
there's,
I
think
of
there's
the
something
that
might
be
downtown
huge
room,
people
lots
of
traffic
and
then
there
might
be
something
that's
kind
of
tucked
away
in
a
residential
neighborhood.
That's
a
smaller
scale.
I
I
don't
know
I
it's
kind
of
hard.
I
I
guess
I
I
I
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
these.
So
is
there
a?
Is
there
a
big
need
for
mass
shelters
in
rs
zones?
I
just
kind
of
wonder
if
that's
something
that's
common
and
if
it
is,
it
seems
like
it
might
be
located
next
to
public
transportation
or
something
like
that
anyways.
I
was
just
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
that
that
could
be
adjusted
based
on
other
incentives
or
bonuses.
B
Yeah,
I
think
yeah,
the
likelihood
of
a
mass
shelter
is
probably
not
like
huge,
an
rl
or
rrs
zone,
but
you
know
it
would
be
a
bummer
to
restrict
a
property
owner
that
might
have
that
ability.
I'm
wondering
you
know
don's
house,
I'm
thinking
about
the
safe
parking
site
over
on
dean.
Swift,
I
mean
that's,
I
think,
that's
rs
and
I
mean
there's
only
six
rvs
five
well
stacy,
you
would
know
actually
five
rvs,
but
I
think
they
want
to
expand
it
and
they
can't.
B
But
I
mean
that's
a
property
owner
who
wanted
to
do
something
you
know
benevolent
to
the
folks
and
it
would
be
a
but
that's
an
outdoor
shelter
site
according
to
our
definitions.
But
if
we
have
somebody
that
would
want
to
do
something
like
that
would
be
a
bummer
if
we
restricted
it.
I
guess
in
in
the
zoning
districts,
but
yeah.
I
I
N
Well,
another
point
I'll
bring
up,
which
I
know
we
don't
have
time
to
go
through.
Is
the
the
word
mass
shelter
for
the
optics
for
the
public?
Is
it's
just
a
terrible
word
because
I
think
it
just
conjures
up
these
images,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
have
an
option
to
have
some
other
language
around
that,
but
just
something
to
be
mindful
of.
G
L
G
L
High
volume,
perhaps
because
I
do
think
I
do
think
that
scott's
point-
we
need
to
choose
our
words
kind
of
carefully
because,
and
I
apologize,
I
had
to
take
a
time
out
for
a
while.
So
I
apologize
if
this
doesn't
fit,
but
I
know-
and
we
know
that
the
public
is
going
to
they're,
going
to
extrapolate
to
the
worst
case,
so
they're
going
to
pick
the
worst
words
and
the
worst
numbers
and
they're
going
to
say.
Well.
L
That
means
that
you
could
put
in
a
thousand
beds
next
door
to
my
home
I
mean
they're,
just
they're
going
to
go
there
and
I
think
the
connotation
of
some
of
the
words
and
some
of
the
numbers
need
to
be
thought
through
a
little
bit
because
it's
one
thing
to
say
we
can't
imagine
a
hundred
bed
facility
in
a
certain
rs
zone,
but
if
we
allow
it,
people
are
going
to
assume
that
that's
where
we're
going.
So
we
just
need
to
be
thoughtful.
I
think
otherwise
we're
going
to
struggle
trying
to
get
the
community
support.
M
H
A
I
D
F
B
Okay,
so
we'll
we'll
follow
up
with
that,
but
I
think
we
we
get
it.
We
should
probably
keep
keep
it
a
little
on
the
smaller
side.
Just
knowing
that
there's
this
allowance
for
the
larger
when
associated
with
the
park
school
church
type
type
of
thing,
and
then
we
will
look
at
well.
Should
we
go
to
let's
go
to
transitional
shelter
then?
So
again,
this
is
the
the
type
with
the
individual
rooms.
It
sounds
like.
We've
got
one
the
safe
haven,
one.
B
That's
bigger
than
this,
and
so
knowing
that
lynn,
we
should
probably
not
make
that
non-conforming.
So
what
do
folks
think
about
that?
We
could
go
up
to
20,
say
maybe
the
same
language,
that's
in
here
for
the
transitional
one,
that
it
could
be
15,
adults
and
their
their
unaccompanied
minors,
or
something
like
that.
So.
H
This
is,
I
guess,
where
I
was
talking
about
the
2400
square
foot
building.
I
did
with
12
bedrooms,
and
so
you
had
20
you
could
have
24
women
or
or
a
combination
of
women
and
their
children.
So
I
think
it
could
stand
to
be
a
little
bit
larger
than
under
group
shelters.
But
that's
just
my
personal
opinion.
I
Yeah,
I
I
would
agree,
and
I
I'm
actually
yeah.
I
was
kind
of
wondering
when
I
was
looking
at
initially
how
the
the
group,
shell
or
beds,
allocated
towards
it
than
the
transitional
shelter,
because
I
think
when
you're
talking
about
public
perception
and
something
coming
and
you're
being
allowed
in
your
neighborhood
having
a
a
home
with
separate
rooms,
it
just
seems
keeping
the
fabric
of
the
neighborhood
than
a
big
open
area
with
a
bunch
of
cots.
I
So
I
thought
could
be,
it
could
be
higher.
And-
and
I
I
again-
I
don't-
I
at
least
hear
anything,
but
it
just
just
from
kind
of
an
outside
perspective.
It
seems
like
this
is
more
palpable
to
the
public.
N
I
think
the
25
adults
and
their
children,
an
unaccompanied
minor,
falls
under
a
whole
other
legal
that
we
usually
go
to
cascade
youth
and
family
or
j
bar
j,
and
so
we
don't
want
it
to
appear
that
we'll
have
under
18
year
olds,
like
13
15
year
olds.
That
would
be
sheltered
there,
because
then
you
run
into
a
whole
different
thing
with
other
adults
and
background
checks.
So
I
think
we
just
want
to
take
unaccompanied
out
okay
and
then
make
sure
we're
referring
to
the
proper
agencies.
N
D
J
I
I
do
have
a
comment
on
when
we're
talking
about
transitional
shelter.
I
know
we're
talking
about
people,
but
the
title
is
maximum
number
of
rooms.
From
a
planning
perspective,
we
can
easily
look
at
a
site
plan
or
a
floor
plan
and
review
the
number
of
rooms
by
standard.
J
H
I
I
Individual
for
in
living
rooms
for
people
or
houses-
I
guess
maybe
eric
you've-
got
the
engineering
mindset.
What
you
know
I
just
kind
of
wonder
about
how
those
definitions,
the
fuzziness
of
them,
and
how
they,
how
they
kind
of
interact,
because
how?
How
could
you
you
could
you
could
kind
of
see
it
as
both
a
group,
shelter
or
a
transitional
shelter
right?
If
you
don't
have
language
about
the
occupants
within
the
shell
within
the
rooms
or
the
beds
within
the
rooms.
L
I'm
wondering
does
it
help
if
we
consider
the
existing
shelters
that
we're
aware
of
and
the
numbers
of
rooms
they
have
and
the
definitions
that
work?
You
know
if
we
think
about
a
bethlehem
or
a
shepherd's
end,
or
what
have
you?
Certainly,
we
need
to
be
careful
not
to
put
a
number
here
that
all
of
a
sudden
they
don't
comply
with
this
number
that
we're
talking
about.
So
we
do
need
to
be
cognizant
of
existing
shelters
and
existing
beds
in
any
language.
That
speaks
to
that.
L
G
Yeah
to
to
speak
about
the
earlier
point,
you
know
I
noticed
in
portland's
documentation,
they
call
it.
You
know
shelter
to
housing
continuum,
and
the
word
continuum
you
know
speaks
to
you
know
my
definitional
view
of
everything
like
okay.
G
G
So
you
know
the
city
approved
a
12
12
room
dwelling,
not
counting
the
bodies
and
all
of
a
sudden
one
room
has
three
people
in
it,
and
all
the
other
rooms
have
have
two.
When
you're
over
this
this
this
limit,
or
maybe
four
people.
You
know
something
that
takes
it
over
the
limit
where
the
room
is
designed
to
handle
that
and
the
bunk
beds
might
be
two
kids
right
which
doesn't
make
it
a
group,
a
group
shelter.
So
to
go
back
to
the
earlier
point.
G
D
D
Then
our
for
the
architects
are
their
size
restrictions
for
a
bedroom
size
within,
so
we
have
development
code
that
would
restrict
the
size
of
a
building
on
any
particular
lot
in
rs
or
rl.
I'm
just
wondering
what
other
standards
we
have
that
may
actually
physically
constrain
the
size
and
the
number
of
bedrooms
in
these
particular
zones.
P
H
Yeah
there's
also
a
definition:
a
bedroom
includes
a
closet
and
I
didn't
provide
closets
in
ours.
We
had
storage
storage
closets
instead,
so
it's
kind
of
like
a
different
animal
than
you
would
consider
a
single-family
home.
But
I
I
agree
with
what
eric
was
talking
about,
perhaps
under
where
you
have
25
adults.
It
really
should
say
12
bedrooms
or
something
like
that,
because
we
don't
know
how
they're
going
to
be
occupied
and
it
gives
us
some
more
flexibility.
H
L
Keep
in
mind,
too,
that
residential
single,
very
quickly
will
mean
up
to
a
quad
and
a
quad
plex
with
two
or
three
bedrooms
per
is
not
a
single,
a
single
home
on
a
lot.
So
I
don't
know
pauline
would
know
better
than
I
suppose
to
what
extent
2001
is
going
to
affect
this,
but
when
we
think
of
residential
single,
we
certainly
not
restrict
our
thinking
to
a
single
home
on
a
piece
of
property,
because
four
with
three
bedrooms
would
be
12
rooms.
On
that
rs
lot.
J
J
We
would
look
at
that
triplex
and,
if
we're
saying
a
maximum
of
12
rooms
on
the
site,
that
entire
triplex
can
only
have
12
rooms,
but
they
can
each
have
their
own
kitchen,
and
maybe
they
each
have
doing
the
math
four
rooms
each
and
each
you
know
triplex
unit.
You
just
still
have
a
transitional
shelter.
It's
just
a
triplex.
H
It
was
a
residential
zone,
but
it
was
a
county
property.
Sorry
yeah,
but
it
was
residential,
a
standard
residential.
B
So
why
don't
we
start
with
the
12
rooms
and
we'll
do
some
research
on
what
portland's
allowing
different
cities
and
how
to
finesse
the
language
based
on
fair
housing,
language
and
make
sure
we're
saying
things
appropriately,
and
I
also
want
to
go
back
and
make
sure
we're
not
going
to
make
anything.
We've
got
going
right
now,
non-conforming
use!
So
we'll
come
back
with
that.
But
I
think
this
is
all
really
good
input
and
things
to
think
about.
B
I
just
want
to
do
a
time
check
we're
at
10
42.
Why
don't
we
go
for
another
five
minutes
and
then
we'll
go
for
public
comment
and
we'll
pick
this
up
next
time
we
meet
in
june,
but
we'll
come
back
with
with
drafts
and
things
like
that.
Why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
talk
about
the
rrm
and
rh
oops?
I'm
sorry
about
that.
I
do
think
it
makes
sense
to
break
up
these
two
kind
of
sets
of
zoning
districts
a
little
bit
differently.
B
So
as
far
as
the
group
shelter
and
I'm
just
going
to
start
calling
it
group
until
we
think
of
a
different
name,
I
like
getting
away
from
mass
as
well.
So
yeah,
so
anyone
have
some
ideas
different
places.
I
could
pull
up
salem's.
I
think
they
had
something
like
75
to
100
to
cover
their
commercial
and
then
their
higher
density
residential
zoning
districts.
B
Does
anyone
have
thoughts
on
that?
Our
winter
warming,
shelter
was
56
beds.
Shepherd's
house
is
30.,
so
just
to
give
you
some
context.
C
H
H
M
The
the
one
thing
that
I've
been
thinking
through
this
whole
discussion
was
when
the
cold
shelter
was
at
first
press.
I
went
over
to
see
how
that
was
happening
and,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
they
could
accommodate
40,
maybe
in
the
40s
of
people
and
that's
a
pretty
big
church
and
they
were.
There
were
people
in
the
hall
and
people
in
the
sanctuary,
and
so
as
far
as
again,
what
we
might
actually
find.
Well,
that's
also
a
public
or
institutional
use.
M
So
I'm
just
you,
know,
kind
of
using
that
for
scale
in
my
own
mind
of
just
what
would
it
take
to
accommodate
more
than
about
50
and
that's
starting
to
get
to
be
a
pretty
big
facility?
I
think,
and
just
again
are
we
setting
ourselves
up
for
battles
that
we
just
don't
need
to
fight,
because
it's
just
not
going
to
happen
in
that
zone,
but
either
way
that's
kind
of
what
I've
been
having
as
my
just
something
for
scale
in
my
brain,
you
know.
K
I
worked
that
first
presbyterian
filter
and
the
reason
why
the
numbers
were
small,
which
actually
the
numbers
kept
getting
approved,
to
go
larger
from
the
fire
department
is
because
of
coveted
restrictions.
So
maybe
there's
some
number
based
on
covid.
Maybe
we
could
look
at
covet
best
practices,
I'm
not
really
sure
but
but
yeah.
So
I
think
there
are
that
numbers
could
be
higher
based
on
non-pandemic
numbers
and
maybe
lower
based
on
safety
around
pandemic
things.
K
N
I
was
just
echo
that,
and
I
know
we
set
up
tents
because
we
purchased
tents
to
go
inside
of
the
first
press
hall
for
covet
purposes
and
it
actually
was
kind
of
a
nice
privacy
barrier.
M
B
Okay,
great
so
I'm
gonna
put
this
at
100
unless
I
hear
otherwise.
B
Can't
see
anyone,
so
I'm
gonna
think
that
it's
that's
okay,
okay
and
then
for
transitional
shelter,
so
the
the
room
divided
building
in
the
higher
destiny
zoning
districts,
any
I'm.
H
D
B
Agree
yeah
so
it'd
be
like
a
humongous
hotel
going
in
a
similar
type
thing.
So
if
we
say
the
underlying
zoning
district,
that
will
restrict
that
will
send
us
to
that.
Okay,
okay,
it's
10
48.!
B
Maybe
I
could
get
a
sense
of
how
many
of
the
folks
that
are
waiting
in
the
lobby.
You
could
raise
your
hands.
There's
four
people
waiting
for
a
public
comment
are
going
to
want
us
provide
public
comment,
looks
like
three
so
yeah.
Why
don't
we
go
for
another
two
minutes,
the
sounding
board
and
then
we'll
shift
over
to
public
comment.
B
Okay,
so
for
the
let's
see
the
cb,
the
cc
po
and
mixed
use
riverfront,
I
think
pauline
correct
for
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
we
were
thinking
again.
It
could
probably
be
pretty
similar
to
what's
in
the
higher
designated
residential.
B
So
a
hundred
for
the
group
shelter
and
then
I
had
started
at
80,
but
we
could
do
the
same
thing,
unlimited
and
conformance
with
the
underlying
zoning
district
for
those.
If
the
group
wanted
to
do
something
like
that,
any
ideas
on
that.
L
Just
yeah
I
just
want
to
offer
up.
I
I
do
think
that
for
a
lot
of
people
in
the
community,
unlimited
is,
is
going
to
be
a
word.
That's
worrisome
to
a
lot
of
people
and
it
forces
us
to
say
well,
yeah,
it's
not
unlimited,
it's
subject
to
conform
and
then
we're
explaining
ourselves
and
we're
on
our
heels
being
defensive.
L
I
just
think
that
that
word
unlimited
scares
people
that
for
what
it's
worth.
L
B
I
think
that
sounds
good.
Okay,
I'm
gonna.
We
can
work
with
these
all
with
the
same
type
of
thing
we
had
the
mixed
use.
We
can
come
back
to
this
next
time.
I
think
we're
running
out
of
time
actually
the
mixed-use
zoning
district,
because
I
think
it's
probably
a
bigger
discussion.
I
I
I
just
want
to
bring
something
up:
real
quick
because
as
different
zoning
districts
and
the
one
the
one
thing,
zoning
district
that
stands
out
to
me
is
the
convenience,
commercial
and
there's
only
a
handful
of
these
areas
that
are
zone
convenience,
commercial
and
they
seem
very
hand-picked
in
specific
spots
and
neighborhoods
to
try
and
trigger
like
a
more
of
a
you're.
I
I
live
in
southeast
and
there's
that
I
can
walk
to
or
anything
and
there's
these
you
know,
there's
just
a
handful
of
little
areas
throughout
throughout
bend
that
are
set
aside
for
a
convenience,
commercial
and
if
those
end
up
getting
taken
up
with
a
transitional
shelter
as
opposed
to
something
that
the
communities
some
of
these
areas
are
in
dire
need
of.
I
feel
kind
of
bad
about
that
again.
This
is
not
restricting
it
wouldn't
be.
I
Restricting
these
shelters-
and
I
don't
know
the
total
acreage,
but
it's
fairly
minimal
and
a
lot
of
these
convenience
commercial
sites
are
just
they're
like
one
property
kind
of
thing
on
a
corner.
I
I
just
want
to
throw
that
out
there,
I'm
all
about
complete
neighborhoods
and
things
like
that,
and
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
feel
like
exclusionary
or
anything,
but
I
just
and
that's
just
for
the
convenience,
commercial.
J
Scott
for
clarity,
are
you
talking
about
the
very
few
neighborhood
commercial
sites
that
we
have
like
jackson's
corner,
or
are
you
talking
about
like
the
strip
on
galveston
commercial.
B
That
sounds
good
and
the
other
thing
is
I'm.
I
didn't
have
a
chance
to
do
this
before
this
meeting,
but
as
far
as
industrial
zones,
one
thing
pauline
brought
up
and
kind
of
researching.
All
of
this
is
if
we
have
heavy
industrial
businesses
that
are
established
and
they're
using
things
like
chemicals
or
flammable
materials.
B
We
wouldn't
want
to
probably
allow
a
residential
type
uc
like
for
a
group,
shelter
or
anything
like
that
right
next
to
them,
just
because
of
fire
and
life
safety
building
codes,
so
we'll
research
that
a
little
bit
more
you
know
to
to
negatively
affect
the
business
and
have
them
have.
You
know
potentially
need
to
revise
their
business
practices
and
stuff.
So
we
just
want
to
be
cognizant
of
the
existing
industrial
users
out
there,
and
you
know
just
for
safety
of
the
residents
as
well.
B
So
so
we'll
come
back
with
more
information
on
that
with
you
next
time.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
stop
sharing.
E
B
Hi,
okay,
so
let's
go
ahead!
Anything
else
on
that
before
we
move
to
public
comment.
B
Okay,
next
time,
we'll
pick
up
where
we
left
off
and
we'll
we'll
be
working
on
some
drafts
in
the
background
and
come
back
to
you
with
that
stuff
for
the
next
meeting.
So
let's
see
so,
I'm
just
gonna
go
down
the
list.
Eric
garrity,
I'm
gonna.
Allow
you
to
talk,
go
ahead
about
two
two
minutes:
three
minutes
so.
P
I'll
take
less
than
that.
No,
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
I
was
listening
to
almost
all
of
the
discussion
today
and
everyone
was
doing.
P
A
really
really
good
job.
I
thought
I
was
happy
that
there
was
considerations
made
about
the
pets
of
some
of
the
campers
and
some
of
the
language
choices
that
were
used,
and
I
just
wanted
to
voice
support,
for
I
think
at
the
end
there
there
was
the
language
that
was
limited
by
underlying
zoning,
so
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thanks.
C
Thank
you.
Let's
see
there,
you
are
okay,
mike
satcher,
you
know
allow
you
to
talk.
R
Hi,
can
you
hear
me
okay,.
C
R
Hi
good
morning,
everybody
I've
been
listening
all
morning
and
I
wanted
to
say
I
really
appreciate
the
work
you're
all
doing
I'd
like
to
take
this
time
to
follow
up
with
you
all
on
something
I've
brought
up
at
the
last
two
meetings.
I
want
to
talk
about
trash
collection
again
and
before
I
go
on,
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
I
realize
that
isn't
exactly
the
focus
of
this
board.
I
understand
that
you're
focused
on
things
like
zoning,
for
housing
types
etc.
R
But
I
urge
you
to
consider
the
fact
that
many
of
your
plans
for
housing
types,
particularly
the
outdoor
filter
type,
are
going
to
involve
the
accumulation
of
crash
and-
and
I
saw
that
you
included
language,
that
all
shelter
types
must
provide
trash
collection
services,
and
so
I
just
think
there's
a
real
opportunity
there
for
the
city
to
save
a
lot
of
money,
while
also
helping
people
in
need,
because
right
now
in
bend
volunteer.
R
Mutual
aid
groups
are
providing
trash
collection
services
for
our
houseless
neighbors
in
the
camps,
we're
100,
volunteer,
driven
and
but
right
now
the
work
is
happening
out
of
our
own
pockets.
Through
his
non-profit,
john
riggs
was
able
to
buy
a
garbage
truck,
as
I'm
sure
you
know,
but
it
isn't
free
to
run
the
truck.
It
is
worth
noting
that
every
time
we
arrive
with
the
truck
at
a
camp,
the
residents
themselves
sort
of
pass
the
hat
to
collect
what
they
can.
So
we
can
put
gas
in
the
truck
in
the
tank.
R
It's
just
nowhere
near
enough.
So
this
trash
collection
service-
it
not
only
beautifies
the
city,
it
can
also
help
make
our
streets
safer
and
more
sanitary,
and
you
know
I
listened
to
the
budget
meeting
last
night.
It
just
doesn't
seem
that
helping
us
with
these
costs
is
on
anybody's
radar.
Right
now,
we've
got
the
truck.
We've
got
the
bodies
for
the
labor.
R
All
we're
asking
is
this
the
city
pigeon
to
help
with
the
operating
costs
and
in
the
in
the
long
term,
it's
going
to
save
the
city
money
because
we
can,
we
can
provide
the
truck
itself
and
the
bodies,
so
I
just
think
it
fits
in
very
nicely
with
a
lot
of
what
you're
already
planning
to
do-
and
I
just
like
it
to
be
on
everybody's
radar.
Look
at
that
two
minutes.
O
Hello,
hi
yeah
by
chuck
hemingway
I'm
with
square
one
and
ben
church,
the
bandaged
village
initiative
that
would
actually
come
under
the
outdoor
shelter
provisions.
I
just
want
to
say
thanks
for
all
the
great
work
that
you're
doing
it's
really
impressive.
I
really
appreciate
the
change
from
the
name
of
mass
shelter
to
group
shelter.
I
think
that's
great
under
the
all
shelters
provision.
The
one
comment
I
would
have
is
it
says
all
shelters
must
provide
restrooms.
O
For
me,
that
implies
a
flush
toilet
and
a
sink
and
that
sort
of
thing,
but
for
an
outdoor
shelter.
That
might
not
be
what
would
be
the
appropriate
term
and
I,
my
suggestion,
would
be
to
take
a
look
at
the
recreation
parks
and
and
organizational
camps
provisions
at
page
eight
which
which
defines
it
as
toilets
and
maybe
toilets,
expand
that
definition
of
bad
restrooms
to
include
toilets
sanitation
facilities.
O
That
sort
of
thing
I
know
you
weren't
talking
about
outdoor
shelters
today,
but
but
since
this
term
was
it
said,
all
shelters
must
provide
bathrooms.
I
thought
that
might
be
something
to
bring
up
at
this
point.
Thank
you
and
again.
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing.
C
B
Great
yeah:
that's
a
good
idea,
I'll
look
at
I'll!
Look
at
that,
because
some
facilities
could
just
provide
porta
potties
and
that's
kind
of
what
we
require
on
the
safe
parking
program.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
Okay,.
B
Anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order,
so
the
great
great
work.
I
think
we
made
a
lot
of
progress
megan,
anything
to
close.
A
No,
I
I
agree
this
is
this,
I
feel
like
we
really
got
somewhere
today
and
I
really
appreciate
all
of
the
conversation
and
you
know
the
sensitivity
you
know
in
in
doing
what
we're
doing,
trying
to
house
our
neighbor
or
something.
Thank
you.
Everyone
for
today.
B
Okay,
great
thank
thanks
a
lot
stuff
to
go
out,
hopefully
soon
for
the
next
meeting,
so
yeah
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank.