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Join the City of Bend as we discuss HB 2001 changes to Bend Development Code (Allows Accessory Dwelling Units, Townhouses, Triplexes, etc. in many residential zones) and SB 458 (Allows land divisions of middle housing lots into multiple dwellings on separate lots). Topics include fire separation, firewall types, mechanical, electrical, and plumbing requirements, separate utilities, and more pertaining to these different housing types.
A
Pauline
hardy
from
city
of
bend
is
a
senior
planner
and
she's
the
specialist
on
house
bill
2001
and
senate
bill
458.
So
any
super
technical
questions.
She's
going
to
talk
about
my
my
presentation
is
kind
of
designed
to
address
the
how
that
relates
to
building
code
requirements.
So
aaron
yuma
from
city
redmond,
building
official
joe
mcclay
from
city
bend,
building
official
jay
denny
is
in
the
front
he's
the
klans
examiner
assistant
building
official.
We
split
the
duties.
A
A
A
I
guess
keep
please
keep
your
mics
if
we
are
broadcasting
this,
so
I
should
let
everybody
know
it's
being
recorded
and
then
we're
gonna
planning
on
posting
it
on,
like
the
city
website,
with
a
youtube
link
or
something
so
you
can
go
back
and
revisit
it.
If
you're
we
are
broadcasting
on
teams
live
right
now,
so,
if
you're
watching
from
home,
please
leave
your
mic
muted.
A
A
A
A
So
this
is
based
on
the
2021
residential
code
went
into
effect
about
a
year
ago.
It's
this
is
an
ongoing
presentation
that
kind
of
keep
adding
to
so.
Hopefully,
none
of
the
older
slides
have
older
code
references.
I
tried
to
catch
them
all,
but
if
you
notice
code
reference,
that's
kind
of
weird
that
that's
probably
what
happened
is
it's
a
2017.
A
A
A
So
one
of
the
effects
of
that
was
that
attached
and
detached
adus
are
allowed
on
almost
all
residential
lots
now
and
that
a
lot
if
they're.
If
your
lot
is
big
enough,
then
you
can
have
a
three
plex
or
a
four
plex
and
I'll
kind
of
talk
about
the
differences
of
plantings,
terms
of
a
of
a
three
plex
and
a
four
plex
versus
building
code.
A
Let's
see
so
these
are
the
definitions
out
of
the
building
code.
A
dwelling
is
any
building
that
is
basically
meant
to
be
lived
in.
So
if
you're
going
to
use
it
for
rentals
leasing,
leading
they're
trying
to
cover
every
basic
thing
that
you
can
do
and
say
that
you
know
you
can't
say
I'm
just
renting
it.
A
So
that's
what
a
dwelling
is,
and
it's
one
or
two
dwelling
units
and
a
dwelling
unit
is
a
single
unit
that
provides
complete,
independent
living
for
one
or
more
persons,
including
permanent
provisions
for
living,
sleeping
eating,
cooking
and
sanitation.
So
this
is
the
important
part
of
a
dwelling
unit.
Is
that
for
building
code?
If
you
want
to
call
it
a
dwelling
unit,
then
it
has
to
have
all
those
things.
So
you
need
a
kitchen.
You
need
a
bathroom.
A
You
need
a
livable
room
which
is
it's
they've
stepped
that
back
a
little
bit.
It
used
to
be
120
square
feet.
Now
it's
a
70
square
foot
open
room
minimum.
So
if
you're,
if
you're
doing
tiny
home
code,
you
still
need
a
a
70
square
foot
room
in
there
and
then
any
habitable
room
like
a
bedroom
is
supposed
to
have
at
least
a
seven
foot
dimension,
so
townhouses.
A
This
is
any
and
the
definition
is
critical.
On
this
too.
It's
a
single
dwelling
unit
constructed
in
a
group
of
three
or
more
in
which
each
extends
from
the
foundation
to
the
roof.
So
it
always
has
to
be
a
vertical.
You
can't
stack
town
houses,
you
can't
have
part
of
them
go
over
the
top
of
another
one.
So
it's
always
going
to
be
a
straight
vertical
separation.
A
So
you
used
to
always
think
of
this
as
kind
of
front
and
back
that
you
could
do
a
whole
row
of
houses
and
they'll
have
a
front
and
back,
but
I
think
under
the
you
know,
people
may
want
to
be
doing
a
fourplex
and
put
row
house
separation,
so
you
could
cross
them
and
then
you
still
have
it
open
on
two
sides
of
every
one
of
those
so
accessory
structure.
This
is
just
structures
that
aren't
the
main
dwelling
unit,
but
are
part
of
the
their
accessory
to
the
the
main
dwelling.
A
I
guess
you
guys
can't
see
me
anyway,
so
I
could
probably
stand
over
here.
So
two
attached
dwelling
units
this
this
this
slide
is
meant
to
cover
all
the
the
two
dwelling
unit
situations
that
you
can
have.
So
you
can
have
two
attached
dwelling
units
on
one
tax
slot,
but
with
with
no
property
line
between
them,
that's
typically
called
a
duplex.
That's
also
the
same
thing
as
an
adu
in
building
code.
We
don't,
we
don't
have
an
adu
in
building
code.
A
A
So
if
it's
a
townhouse,
then
it's
regulated
out
of
302.2
and
it
needs
to.
Let's
see
now,
that's
the
structurally
independent
part
is,
if
you
have,
you
could
have
two
dwelling
units
or
two
two
family
dwelling
units
next
to
each
other,
like
two
duplexes
separated
by
a
property
line,
so
that
you
have
four
units.
A
That
doesn't
sound
right.
I
think
that's
3021.
r3021.
That
requires
a
table
we'll
see
later,
but
it's
it's
one
hour
wall
with
no
openings
and
no
eaves.
So,
okay,
so
two
two
attached
dwelling
units,
the
code
was
kind
of
silent
on
what
that
was.
If
you
had
a
lot
line
between
them
and
then
talking
to
the
state,
this
may
change
in
the
new
code
that
comes
out
in
a
year
for
residential,
but
for
right
now
they
added
this
code
section
in
the
last
code.
A
That
said,
you
can
either
regulate
it
as
a
townhouse,
the
use,
the
townhouse
provisions,
even
though
townhouse
says
three
or
more
units.
You
can
do
just
two
connected
units.
If
there's
a
property
line
between
them
and
use
those
provisions
and
then
the
the
other
option
was
the
zero
lot
line,
ones,
which
is
a
lot
more
restrictive.
A
So
and
one
note
I
put
on
that,
one
is
if
you
use
that
that
zero
lot
line,
I'm
calling
it
zero
lot
line,
but
it's
basically
anything
less
than
three
feet
from
the
property
line
to
your
exterior
wall
is
going
to
be
a
fire
rated
wall
that
can
not
have
penetrations
and
all
those
requirements,
and
if
you
do
that,
you
can't
have
projections
within
two
feet
of
the
the
property
line.
So
that's
what
the
townhouse
code
kind
of
does
for
you
is.
A
A
A
B
Okay,
so,
as
brad
mentioned,
there's
two
laws
that
have
passed,
one
was
house
bill
2001
and
that
created
the
middle
housing
that
can
be
allowed
on
any
residential
lot.
So
we're
talking
from
the
planning
perspective
and
bend
development
code,
duplexes,
triplexes
and
quadplexes,
as
well
as
the
town
homes,
and
then
after
house,
bill
2001
was
implemented
and
the
the
goal
of
house
bill
2001
was
really
to
allow
these
middle
housing
on
residential
lots
for
rental
purposes.
To
you
know,
provide
more
needed
housing
in
the
city
of
bend
senate
bill.
B
458
takes
it
a
step
further
to
provide
home
ownership
opportunities.
So
now
you
can
have
the
duplex,
triplex
or
quad
on
a
residential
lot
and
then
senate
bill
458
lets
you
do
a
expedited
land
division
so
that
each
of
those
units
are
on
their
own
lot.
So,
instead
of
just
having
four
units
on
one
lot,
you
can
do
a
build
a
quadplex
and
then
put
each
unit
on
its
own
lot.
B
When
you
go
through
this
land
division
and
you
put
each
unit
on
its
own
lot,
you
can't
come
in
later
and
then
add
an
accessory
dwelling
unit.
So
once
you
do
the
land
division
and
I'll
keep
using
a
quadplex,
for
example,
you
can
only
have
one
unit
on
the
resulting
lots
you
do
have
to
provide
separate
utilities
to
each
of
those
units.
B
So
if
you
do
a
regular
quadplex
on
one
lot,
you
do
one
utility
service,
but
once
you
go
through
this
land
division,
we
want
to
make
sure
each
unit
now
has
their
own
water
and
sewer
hookups
and
the
state
said
we
can
actually
provide
easements
because
those
utilities
are
going
to
cross
property
lines
in
several
cases.
So
we
are
allowed
to
ask
for
easements
for
the
utilities.
B
If
there
happens
to
be
a
driveway
or
parking
areas,
we
can
require
easements
for
that,
because
and
through
house
bill
2001,
we
have
very
minimal
parking
requirements,
so
there
may
not
be
parking
for
these
units.
So
then
we
won't
be
able
to
come
back
later
through
the
land
division
say.
Oh
now,
we
want
parking
building
code
when
a
applicant
submits
to
put
the
middle
housing
on
the
property
and
go
through
the
expedited
land
division.
B
They
need
to
submit
a
letter
to
the
planning
department
as
part
of
their
application,
showing
how
these
units
will
now
meet
the
building
code
and
the
res
oregon
residential
specialty
code,
because
you're
now
putting
lot
lines
where
there
were
no
lot
lines
close
to
these
new
middle
housing
dwelling
units.
So
we
need
that
letter
to
verify
that
they
meet
all
the
building
code
requirements
and
then
the
street
frontage
and
right
of
way
we
can
require
frontage
improvements
through
the
land
division.
B
B
B
We
can't
I
mean
you
could
come
in
and
do
this
and
put
each
of
those
units
on
like
a
thousand
square
foot
lot
if
you
wanted
to
because
they're
not
reviewing
lot
size
either
through
the
expedited
land
division
process,
and
we
can't
require
anything
really
other
than
what
was
on
the
previous
slide.
So
again,
you
come
in.
You
apply
for
your
middle
housing
on
a
parent
site
and
then,
after
that,
you
can
do
the
senate
bill,
458
land
division
and
put
each
of
those
units
on
their
own
lot
next
side.
Please.
B
One
thing
I
just
want
to
bring
to
your
attention:
I've
been
working
with
brad,
jay
and
joe
on
working.
So
when
I
talk
about
when
you
come
in
for
the
senate
bill
458
application,
you
have
to
demonstrate
that
the
building
meets
all
applicable
oregon
residential
specialty
code
and
building
codes
we
originally
put
in
that
it
had
to
be
prepared
by
a
design
professional
license
in
the
state
of
oregon
to
submit
this
letter
in
a
lot
of
cases.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
provided
by
that
design
professional.
B
So
we're
not
going
to
require
that
letter
to
be
submitted
by
a
design,
professional
or
licensed
in
the
state
of
oregon.
You
still
have
to
submit
the
letter,
but
it
doesn't
have
to
be
by
a
licensed
design,
professional
and
then
these
are
two
unique
submittal
requirements.
If
you
do
go
through
this
process
and
the
other
submittal
requirement
is
just
you
have
to
show
the
separate
utilities
to
each
lot
other
than
that,
you
would
look
at
this
middle
requirements
for
a
typical
land
division.
C
A
Slide,
yep,
okay,
all
right,
so
the
the
the
very
beginning
of
302
talks
about
the
fire
resistant
construction.
That's
kind
of
what
the
of
of
this
presentation
is.
So
there
is
a
table
that
tells
you
that
you
have
to
be
three
feet
from
the
fire
separation
line
so
and
that
will
regulate
that
that
fire
separation
line
can
either
be
an
actual
lot
line
or
it
can
be
a
chosen
one.
So
for
whatever
works
best
for
the
for
a
project.
A
A
So
that's
just
part
of
the
the
slides
that
I'll
show
later.
You
can
have
a
big
lot
with
a
bunch
of
different
dwellings
on
it
and
they
they
get
looked
at
individually
for
building
code
for
planning
code.
You
know
you
have
a
certain
number
of
lots
or
a
certain
number
of
buildings
you
can
put
on
that
lot.
But
for
us
it's
it.
We
look
at
each
individual
structure.
A
So
if
it's
attached,
then
you
know
you
count
up
the
number
of
dwelling
units
and
that
will
drive
you
to
what
code
you
have
to
go
to.
So,
if
you
had,
if
you
had
three
units
on
one
lot
that
were
attached
and
one
that
was
detached,
that
one
could
be
out
of
the
residential
code,
but
those
three
are
going
to
be
a
commercial
code.
A
A
Okay,
the
next
one
yeah,
so
this
is
table
r-3021,
so
what
it
says,
if
you
look
over
on
the
the
far
right
there,
fire
separation
distance
provided,
so
people
will
confuse
this
with
how
far
it
is
between
structures
and
that's
not
what
it
is.
It's
it's
how
far
it
is
to
the
fire
separation,
distance
line.
So
there's
a
definition
coming
later
of
what
that
is.
A
A
A
Well,
no,
I
say
that
if
you're,
if
you
build
a
three
feet
wide,
you
have
five
foot
setback
you're
within
two
foot,
you're
at
the
two
foot
line,
so
you
should
be
fine,
but
if
you're
doing
a
three
foot
setback
which
the
new
code
will
allow,
then
you're
going
to
be
right
up
to
the
property
line
with
the
with
the
deck.
So
that
would
need
to
be
one
hour
rated,
which
is
like
heavy
timber
or
I
think,
non-combustible
and
and
a
one-hour
firewall
inside
of
it.
A
A
So
it's
to
that
line
if
you're
it's
to
the
center
line
of
the
street
alley
or
public
way,
so
that
usually
doesn't
come
into
effect
much
with
fire
rating
for
the
building
department,
but
like
front
setbacks
to
streets,
and
things
are
more
planning
code
issue
and
then
the
third
one
that
we
see
a
lot
is
the
imaginary
line
between
two
buildings
on
a
lot.
So,
but
it's
really
between
all
buildings
on
the
lot
all
detached
buildings,
you
need
to
determine
where
you
want
this
imaginary
line.
A
A
So
all
those
little
green
guys
are
the
perpendicular
measurement
of
the
the
setback.
So
in
this
picture
you
can
see
that
the
this
building
is
three
feet
from
both
from
that
line,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
be
fire
rated.
This
wall
is
three
feet,
so
it
doesn't
need
to
be
fire
rated,
but
this
one
is
two
foot,
so
it
would
need
to
be
a
one-hour
wall
and
it
can't
have
any
projections.
A
A
Okay,
so
this
was
just
kind
of
my
picture
and
we
actually
just
had
something
very
similar
to
this
submitted,
which
is
kind
of
becoming
an
infrastructure
question
of
how
to
do
the
inspections
and
whatnot,
because
you
have
to
get
utilities
to
each
of
these
buildings
without
crossing
each
other.
But
if
this
is
one
tax
lot,
the
building
is
going
to
look
at
each
of
those
structures
individually.
A
A
This
is
the
flyer
that
the
handout
that's
on
the
table
if
anybody
wants,
but
it
was
meant
to
be
just
kind
of
a
quick
reference
of
what
you
can
do.
I
put
the
little
two
plus
in
parentheses
up
there,
because
if
you
have
a
bunch
of
detached
dwellings
or
adus
on
one
property,
you
can
basically
do
as
many
as
you
want
and
still
stay
in
those
requirements
of
setbacks
and
458.
A
A
And
this
is
this
is
all
on
one
lot,
this
this
table,
townhouses
can
be
on
one
lot.
You
can
use
townhouse
separations
and
still
you
would
stay
in
the
residential
code
and
you
don't
have
to
have
property
lines,
so
you
could
have
six
townhouses
on
one
lot
and
and
build
out
of
our
302
two.
So
you
just
may
have
issues
with
accessibility
if
you're,
if
you've
got
four
or
more
and
they're,
not
two-story,.
A
B
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
jump
in
real
fast,
so
I
just
want
to
be
real
clear
that
when
he's
talking
about
single-family,
adus,
duplexes,
triplexes
and
quads,
the
building
code
is
looking
at
very
differently
than
how
the
planning
code
defines
it.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
doing
a
quadplex
from
the
development
code,
that's
four
units
on
one
lot
and
it's
defined
differently
than
what
brad's
talking
about
when
he's
talking
about.
B
C
A
E
A
Yeah
I
mean
you
could
permit
it
with
a
townhome
separation
on
one
lot
in
in
the
you
know,
if
you
thought,
maybe
in
in
the
future
years,
you
might
do
a
458
separation
of
that
lot
and
put
a
property
line
down
the
middle.
That's
kind
of
one
thing:
you're
going
to
run
into
if
you're,
converting
a
duplex
or
trying
to
convert
a
single
family
dwelling,
use
458
and
create
more
dwelling
units.
G
A
B
I
just
want
to
clarify
too
from
the
planning
code.
So
if
you
want,
let's
use
your
triflex
example
the
units
from
if
you
come
in
and
you
just
apply
for
a
triplex
on
one
parent
site,
they
don't
have
to
be
attached.
The
the
ben
code
allows
three
detached
units
as
long
as
they're
six
feet
apart
from
each
other,
then,
when
you
come
in
to
do
your
senate
bill,
458
land
division
process,
they're
all
six
feet
apart
and
I
think
that's
easier
through
the
building
code
yeah.
A
A
Okay,
so
yeah
we
can
go
to
the
next
one.
So
I
I
just
have
a
few
pictures
of
you
know
structures
and
you
can
talk
about
the
different
options
that
you
can
do
with
these.
So
this
could
be
a
triplex
with
no
lot
lines
on
it,
and
that
would
be
commercial
code.
You
would
have
to
fire
sprinkler
it
and
it
would
have
one
hour
walls
between
it
and
fire
partitions
and
there's
different
classifications
in
the
commercial
code.
A
Okay,
I'll
talk
about
this
one,
so
this
one's
kind
of
interesting,
you
can
see
the
back
behind
there
that
they're
connected,
so
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
do
a
r3021
separation,
which
is
just
a
standard.
Three
foot
setback
and
one
foot
eve
projection
because
you,
you
would
probably
be
drawing
the
property
line
right
down
the
middle
of
this,
so
those
eaves
would
be
in
in
violation
and
you
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
them.
A
So
you
can
do
a
townhouse,
because
they're
connected
and
they're,
not
the
townhouse
code
allows
you
to
have
12-inch
eaves
so
and
the
12-inch
eaves
can
project
over
the
property
line
too.
So
in
this
situation,
and
if
there's
no
property
line
here,
this
is
just
a
duplex
and
all
those
eaves
don't
matter.
A
That's
somewhat
clear,
next
one,
okay,
so
this
is
one
dwelling
unit
above
another
dwelling
unit.
So
what
happens
in
this
case?
Is
you
can't
use
townhouse
code
because
it
needs
to
be
vertical,
so
this
is
and
and
it's
not
458
eligible,
because
the
property
lines
are
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
get
one
dwelling
unit
on
the
property
line
in
this
case
since
they're
on
top
of
each
other.
A
A
A
So
there's
just
a
little
nook
kind
of
back
there
in
those
garages,
the
you
need
four
foot
wrap
back
of
fire-rated
cheating
there
and
no
openings,
and
then
no
no
ventilation
would
be
allowed
in
the
no
I'm
sorry,
you
can't
have
any
ventilation
in
the
top
of
that
that
little
structure,
but
since
the
barge
is
running
perpendicular
to
the
property
line,
you
are
allowed
to
have
bird
block
venting
in
there.
So
that's
the
only
way
to
really
vent.
That
attic
is
with
the
lower
ventilation.
A
F
F
A
A
All
right,
so
these
ones
are
pretty
straightforward.
I
guess
they
have
six
foot
setbacks,
so
no
real
requirements.
I
think
I
put
this
one
on
there,
because
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
red
house
there,
it
has
no
openings
and
the
and
the
eve
is
closed
off
and
looks
like
it's
pretty
pretty
short,
so
what
a
person
could
do
there
is.
A
That
could
be
the
lot
line
right
at
the
the
face
of
that
eve,
and
then
that
would
give
you
know,
give
you
the
ability
to
have
a
little
bit
more
yard
for
the
other
person.
I
I
think
that
that
that's
the
zero
lot
line
situation
that
we'll
be
saying
or
seeing
is
that
you
know
the
the
eve
goes
right
up
to
the
lot
line
and
then
the
the
the
person
owning
this
like
cream-colored
house,
could
have
that
whole
inside
area
to
themselves
it's
their
property
instead
of
splitting
it
right
down.
A
A
A
A
You
can't
go
underneath
it
with
electrical
gas,
any
of
those
which
I've
seen
people
try
and
do
you're
not
supposed
to
share
any
utilities
or
have
anything
running
through
your
neighbor's
row
house
so,
and
that
that
kind
of
goes
for
property
lines
or
no
doesn't
make
a
difference.
You're
not
supposed
to
have
anything
shared
next.
One.
A
A
A
A
A
So
the
question
was
it
started
off
just
if
you
have
an
adu,
that's
attached
to
a
dwelling.
What
is
the
separation?
That's
required
there,
which
is
just
the
same
as
two
family
or
duplex
just
a
one
hour
wall.
The
other
is
if,
if
the
the
building
kind
of
goes
over
the
top
of
the
adu,
where
the
firewall
needs
to
be
so,
if
you've
got
if
you've
got,
structure
living
unit
above
ends
of
the
site
of
the
adu,
then
the
one
hour
wall
needs
to
wrap
around
the
whole
thing.
H
C
H
This
is
the
garage
there's
a
door,
and
this
is
all
one
unit
and
then
there's
a
unit
here,
so
this
is
one.
This
is
two
and
so
this
unit
you
get
into
it
from
outside
and
and
in
this
unit
you
come
into
your
garage.
You
go
into
your
house,
you
walk
up
into
your
bedroom,
so
then
all
of
this
has
to
be
rated
right
like
those
is
this.
A
I
J
J
J
J
A
So
the
rating
of
the
building
is
what
the
three
foot
is
going
to
regulate,
firewalls
and
whatnot
access.
You
may
have
to
do
with
easements
or
whatever.
If
you're
you
know,
if
you're
doing
a
458
separation,
but
typically
access
is
just
a
three
foot
wide
pathway
through
a
building.
So
if,
if
you're
talking
about
having
us,
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
would
approve
two
foot
along
the
side
of
a
building
to
get
to
the
back
building.
J
J
I
guess
the
situation
that
I
was
asked
about
was
you
know
two
neighbors
are
sharing
a
lot
line.
Neither
one
of
them
have
the
space
to
do
it,
but
combined
they
do
so.
They're
like
hey,
let's
chip
in
and
do
a
duplex
you're
going
to
get
rent
on
this
side.
I'll,
do
rent
on
this
side
and
we're
going
to
form
a
new
llc
and
we're
going
to
assign
easements.
A
B
But
typically,
when
we
do
a
senate
bill,
458
you
have
one
property
and
you
would
submit
for
in
this
case
sounds
like
a
duplex
on
the
one
property.
So
it
sounds
like
they'd
have
to
do
a
lot.
Consolidation
make
it.
One
property
apply
for
a
duplex
on
that
property.
Then
they
come
in
and
do
the
senate
bill,
458
land
division
right.
C
B
F
I
said
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question
on
the
senate
bill,
so
if
you
have
a
larger
lot
and
you
have
an
existing
house
with
an
existing
adu
now,
as
I
understand
it,
land
division,
as
it
was
said,
must
result
in
exactly
one
dwelling
unit
per
lot.
Does
that
also
count
adus?
So,
for
example,
if
we
have
a
large
lot
a
house
and
an
adu,
then
we
go
to
build
a
duplex,
and
then
we
sb
458
all
of
it.
What
happens
to
the
adu.
B
F
B
So
parking
don't
kill
me,
because
this
was
house
bill.
2001
a
adu
and
a
duplex
require
no
parking.
A
triplex
does
not
require
parking
either.
If
you
did
the
quad
plex,
you
only
required
one
parking
stall
for
the
entire
development,
not
one
per
unit.
Just
one
per
the
development.
You
can
provide
more
we're
not
going
to
say
no,
but
the
minimum
is
one
yep.
Just
one.
D
I
So
my
question
about
adu
access
like
he
was
talking
about
before.
If
you
have
a
house
with
a
three-car
garage,
let's
say,
and
it
doesn't
have
enough
access
point
there,
but
you
bust
one
car
garage
off.
Can
the
access
to
the
adu
in
the
back
be
through
that
one
car
garage?
If
that
garage
is
part
of
the
adu
like
you
give
them
that
space
as
as
part
of
the
setup
or
does
it
have
to
be
access
from
the
exterior
to
be
able
to
get
to
that
detached
adu
in
the
backyard.
E
A
K
J
A
B
Right
and
then
I
want
to
clarify
on
the
example
of
the
the
pathway
getting
to
each
of
the
the
senate
bill
458
only,
but
if
you
do,
let's
say
a
quadplex
and
the
front
doors
are
on
the
you
know
the
back
two
lots
and
you
put
pathways
down
to
get
to
them.
The
bend
development
code
does
require
a
minimum
width
of
four
feet:
a
pedestrian
access
easement
to
make
sure
that
they
will
always
have
access
to
their
front
doors.
B
L
Thank
you
hi,
first
off.
Thank
you
for
this
forum.
It's
awesome.
Second,
I
I've
got
a
duplex
project.
That's
coming
my
way
and
behind
the
duplex
on
an
alley
will
be
a
three-car
garage
above
the
three-car
garage
will
be
an
adu
how
many
building
permits
and
assuming
the
garages
and
the
duplex
are
separated.
B
Okay,
so
planning
we'll
call
that
a
triplex.
You
can
only
have
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
with
a
single
family
detached
unit.
But
if
you
have
two
units
plus
an
adu,
that's
three
units
on
one
lot:
planning
we'll
call
that
a
triplex
okay-
and
I
don't
know
how
many
building
permits
that
is.
But
that's
a
tripod.
A
D
A
A
A
A
A
Yeah
well,
let's
take
a
10
minute
break
just
to
get
the
thing
going
again
and
we'll
see
you
in
a
few
all
right.
Well,
hopefully,
everybody
online
can
hear
us.
We
were
getting
some
online
questions
too.
I
think
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
probably
just
keep
doing
the
presentation
until
11
and
then
we'll
leave
the
last
hour
for
questions
and
online
questions
and
whatnot.
So.
A
I
will
start
this
up
again.
Hopefully
no
well
we're
not
taking
questions,
so
pauline
doesn't
have
to
be
here
yeah,
so,
okay,
this
is
a
situation
where
each
of
those
is
a
dwelling
unit
and
what
we
would
allow
in
this
situation
since
they're
on
top
of
each
other
no
property
line.
This
is
a
four
unit
which
planning
code
calls
quadplex,
but
this
is
an
apartment
to
us
in
building,
so
there's
no
way
to
do
a
townhouse
separation.
So
all
you
can
do.
Is
commercial
code,
the
next
one?
A
So
now,
if
you
put
a
property
line
down
the
middle
of
it,
this
is
means
you
only
have
a
two
dwelling
unit
on
each
side
of
it,
which,
as
long
as
you
are
considered
structurally
independent.
That's
now
two
zero
lot
line,
duplexes,
which
is
allowed
to
be
done
in
the
residential
code.
It's
difficult
to
build
because
you're
going
to
have
to
have
completely
separate
like
that
building
could
go
away
and
the
other
one
will
still
have
its
one
hour
firewall
there.
A
A
Are
those
those
three
different
options
of
of
approvals
for
that
type
of
wall?
Most
of
the
time
you're
going
to
see
a
ul
listed
assembly,
the
building
code,
they're
saying
out
of
the
commercial
code
7033,
they
have
some
prescriptive
walls
that
don't
have
a
ul
listing
in
there
that
we
we
accept
too.
So
as
long
as
it
meets
follows
the
prescriptive
detail
for
a
one
hour.
Wall.
A
Same
thing,
fire
resisted
floor
rated
assemblies.
It
talks
about
the
continuity
of
them,
so
this
is
where
it
says
they
need
to
be
tight
to
the
exterior
wall.
Somebody
had
a
question
earlier
about
that
the
the
cantilever
it
doesn't
need
to
extend
out
to
the
the
cantilever
it
only
needs
to
where
the
two
units
are
touching.
Basically.
A
I
think
that's
it
so
the
3023
is
the
two
family
dwelling
separation
section.
There
are
some
exceptions
to
it.
I
think
I
talk
about
them
later.
One
of
them
sprinklers,
which
I
don't
ever
see
and
the
other
one
is
the
it
comes
up
a
little
bit
later,
but
it's
it's
not
requiring
the
one
hour,
one
hour
wall
to
extend
through
the
attic
it's
when
you
can
rate
the
ceiling
so
and
I'd
put
on
there
a
couple
of
things
to
note
the
difference
between
this
and
a
townhouse.
A
Is
that
the
firewall
doesn't
need
to
extend
all
the
way
through
the
exterior
wall
like
it
does
in
a
townhouse
where
that
makes
sense
you
could.
You
could
have
two
studs
that
are
on
either
side
of
the
wall
and
the
the
you
know.
Basically,
a
fire
would
only
have
to
go
through
the
the
exterior
wall
gypsum
to
get
around
the
fire,
but
that's
that's
acceptable
in
two
family
dwellings,
but
not
in
the
townhouse
code.
A
You
need
a
full
firewall
through
it
so
and
there
are
no
wrap
back
requirements
on
two
family
dwellings,
which
you'll
see
a
lot
of
people.
These
aren't
in
townhouses
either
on
the
walls.
There's.
No,
that's
that's
commercial
code!
Typically,
the
by
ratback
I
mean
like
the
the
wall
perpendicular
to
the
the
fire.
The
property
line
doesn't
have
any
requirements
on
it.
A
A
These
are
the
two
exceptions
to
the
the
one
hour
walls
exception.
One
is
fire
sprinkler
that
you
can
knock
it
down
to
a
half
hour.
Rated
wall
exception
two.
This
is
where
it
says.
If
you
have
a
layer
of
5,
8
gypsum
across
the
whole
top
floor,
that
all
you
need
between
them
is
draft.
Stop
in
the
attic,
and
I
actually
did
putting
this
presentation
together
realized
they
changed
the
draft
stopping
requirements
in
this
last
code.
A
A
So
again
it
doesn't
have
to
go
through
the
crawl
space.
The
the
wall
between
the
two
still
needs
to
be
a
one-hour
wall,
but
now
all
you
need
on
that.
Lid
is
5,
8,
gypsum
and
vibrate
type
x,
gypsum,
and
then
all
you
need
on
the.
I
guess
the
arrows
are
going
to
start
popping
up
if
you
go
forward,
but
so
the
next
one
that
that
that
lid
just
needs
to
be
five
h,
type
x,
gypsum
and
then
the
next
one
is
the
draft
stopping
so.
A
E
A
A
A
Oh
sorry,
I
forgot
it.
There
was
something
I
know
always
comes
up
on
that,
so
it's
supporting
construction
for
oh!
This
is
the
next
section.
So
if
you're,
if
you
have
a
the
separation,
is
a
stacked
unit
and
you
have
a
one
hour
floor
ceiling
assembly,
then
the
supporting
structure
can't
be
any
less
than
than
the
one
hour
and
there's
some
question
as
to
you
know
like
if
it's
an
exterior
wall,
that's
not
the
bearing
wall
of
the
stuff,
but
that's
still
supporting
that
diaphragm.
A
So
this
is
a
typical
situation
that
we
see
where
somebody
takes
that
you
know
your
your
garage
and
and
dwelling
ranch
house,
and
they
they
cut
off
the
roof
of
the
above
the
garage
and
they
put
this
adu
on
there.
So
what
I'm
kind
of
indicating
there
with
the
the
green
wall
is
that
that's
a
one
hour
rated
wall
assembly,
but
there
are
no
penetration
requirements
on
that.
So
you
can
have
windows.
A
So
this
is
this
is
section
3026
which
talks
about
the
separation
between
the
garage
and
the
dwelling,
which
is
very
confusing
to
people
that
they
have
a
garage
and
they're
putting
the
adu
above
the
adu
kind
of
supersedes
this
section,
which
just
says
that
you
need
5
8
on
the
lid.
If
there's
habitable
space
above
the
garage.
A
A
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
worry
about
having
it
on
the
lid
if
you
have
that
one
hour,
separation
from
the
dwelling
above,
but
this
table
does
talk
about
if
it's
just
if
it's
just
a
garage
and
the
the
unit
above
is
not
a
dwelling
unit
like
a
separate
dwelling
unit,
it
could
just
be
living
space.
That's
attached
to
the
house,
then
you
need
a
5.
8
lid
and
the
walls
need
to
be
chipped
with
half
inch
jet.
A
C
A
You
know:
do
the
do
all
the
meps
and
the
other
part
of
the
construction
and
then
we'll
do
the
other
firewall
side.
So
it
tends
to
be
a
slower
process
and
there's
penetration
requirements
for
well.
I
don't
think
they're
as
bad
for
for
that
one,
but
we
just
don't
see
this
type
of
firewall
as
often
in
townhouses
these
days
because
of
the
the
construction
feasibility
of
it
a
modified
to
our
firewall.
A
A
They
did
clear
it
up
and
they
said
unless
you
use
the
provisions
of
302421,
which
kind
of
you're
framing
out
the
plumbing
in
the
wall
with
another
layer
of
gypsum,
so
it
kind
of
fire
blocks
it
from
the
oh,
that's
what
I
was
going
to
talk
about
the
the
draft
stopping
in
the
attic
of
the
duplexes
that
it
gets
synonymous
with
fire
blocking.
Every
people
seem
to
think
that
draft
stopping
and
fire
blocking
are
the
same,
but
they're
not
draft
stopping
is
pretty
rare.
It's
either
that
situation
there
or
it's.
A
If
somebody
has
like
open
web
trusses
and
has
a
huge
floor
and
and
commercial,
we
see
it
too.
But
if
you
have
a
these
bigger
houses
that
do
open
web
trusses
may
have
a
space
communicating
space
in
the
the
floor,
cavity
that's
over
a
thousand
square
feet
and
then
you'll
need
draft
stopping
in
there,
but
it's
not
as
restrictive
as
fire
blocking.
A
So
thank
you.
We
can
go
to
the
next
one,
so
the
third
type
a
common
two
hour
wall.
This
is
where
it
says:
if
there's
not
a
real
property
line,
that
you
can
just
use
a
two
hour.
Rated
wall
which
that,
if
you're
going
to
design
townhouses,
I
wouldn't
do
this
if
you're
going
to
do
a
458
separation,
because
they're
not
going
to
be
independent
and
whatnot,
but
it
allows
a
common
two
hour.
A
A
A
So
in
this
situation
you
can
see
that
that's
how
the
the
trusses
are
coming
in
is
they're
bearing
on
that.
So
this
is
two
independent
walls
you
can
see,
and-
and
one
of
the
sticking
points
that
comes
up
here
is-
is
how
you
fire
block
that
that
floor
assembly-
in
this
case,
you
can
see,
there's
a
layer
of
gypsum
running
up
the
inside
of
both
both
of
those.
A
A
So
in
this
case,
there's
there's
two
layers
on
the
inside
and
then
there's
four
blocks
all
together.
If
you
can
see
that,
I
think
the
next
slide
might
be
a
blow
up
of
that
yeah.
So
you
can
see
that
there,
the
two
layers
of
running
up
the
inside
face
there.
You
are
allowed
to
go
across
the
top
of
it
with
plywood,
and
then
they
show
fire
blocking
in
there.
But
if
you
went
across
the
top
of
it
with
plywood,
you
wouldn't
have
to
do
that.
So.
A
A
I
did
ask
the
state
about
this.
That's
why
I
redlined
the
slide
because
they
messed
up
and
said
it
was
half
inch
and
it
that
didn't
really
make
sense.
So
I
asked
them
what
what
what
the
intent
was
there
and
they
said
that
that
they're
going
to
come
out
with
an
addendum,
that's
5,
8.,
so,
but
basically
there's
four
layers
of
5
8
in
the
wall
framing
and
the
same
thing
in
the
attic
and
then
the
the
blow
up
there
of
the
floor
framing.
A
A
Oh,
we
should
talk
about
the
fire
ridge,
sheathing
too.
It's
the
same
on
this
one
as
the
other
two.
So
if
you
look
at
the
the
top
there,
the
one
on
the
left
says
no
openings
allowed
fire
retardant
sheathing
and
that's
for
the
first
four
feet.
Measured
that
way.
So
it's
not
technically
four
foot
of
plywood
which
we
do
see,
but
people
don't
don't
typically
build
the
with
the
truss
perpendicular
anyways.
A
A
The
other
option
is
to
go
two
layers
of
5
8
across
the
whole
lid
of
the
building,
and
then
you
don't
have
to
have
fire
rated
sheathings
and
still
no
openings
allowed
in
that
first
four
feet,
though
so,
and
then
also
this
is
the
modified
two-hour
wall.
So
that's
the
other
type
of
wall
and
on
this
one
you
can
see
that
and
this
one
is
pretty
popular,
but
it
is
a
lot
more
difficult
to
build
and
the
reason
why
is
they?
A
A
So
you
have
electrical
boxes
along
there,
which
you
know
if
they're
back
to
back
that's
a
problem,
they
can
only
be
16
square
inches,
or
else
then
you're
going
to
have
to
frame
out
the
wall
or
spur
it
out
and
then
modifieds
don't
allow
plumbing
in
the
wall
unless
you
basically
wrap
them
in
gypsum.
Also
so,
and
a
lot
of
it's
just,
it's
logistically
it's
harder
to
build,
but
it
looks
like
the
cheapest
option
when
you're
designing
it
so.
A
Yeah,
so
the
the
question
was:
if
you're
going
to
put
a
cricket
on
there,
I
don't
think
I
have
a
slide
with
that,
but
what
they
say
is
if
it's.
If
the
cricket
measures
more
than
30
inches
tall,
then
you
have
to
extend
that
firewall
up
through
it
and
then
the
sheeting
of
the
cricket
will
be
fire
rated
and
then
the
underside
won't.
If
it's
less
than
that,
then
you
can
have
an
unrated
cricket
and
you
you
do
the
sheathing
up
the
like
that
with
the
fire
rating
going
up.
A
Oh,
this
is
the
the
six
layers
and
since
they
they
don't
have
the
gypsum
layer
running
up
the
inside
like
the
two
one-hour
firewalls
and
the
fact
that
the
the
the
fire
rating
comes
from
those
two
on
the
exterior.
You
don't
have
that
inside
the
stud
base,
so
you
could,
in
this
situation,
frame
up
a
stud
wall,
a
small
wall
and
and
then
put
two
layers
which
would
be
just
kind
of
extending
your
firewall
up
through
or
you're,
going
to
need
to
do
three
layers
on
each
side
of
solid
blocking.
A
Here
we
go
parallel,
so
this
one's
pretty
common,
this
one,
you
can
see
where
the
two
layers
go
up
through
the
attic
on
each
side.
No,
no
requirements
on
the
lid.
If
you're
using
option
a
you
can
still
use
the
same
option
b
of
doing
the
whole
lid
of
that
that
story
in
two
layers
of
5h
chip
and
then
you
don't
have
to
have
fire
rated
roof,
sheeting
and
same
thing.
No,
no
openings
allowed.
So
that's
going
to
be
your
roof!
Jacks,
your
ridge
vent.
That's
the
one!
A
A
A
A
You
can
you
know
you
they'd
be
back-to-back,
but
you
wouldn't
even
know
because
there's
two
layers
there's
two
inches
of
gypsum
between
them
and
trying
to
think
of
the
other
benefits
that
the
stair
jacks
and
the
the
floor
framing
and
those
things
like
you
can
see
that
they
run
the
continuous
shaft
liner.
All
the
way
up,
so
your
four
framing
intersections,
don't
matter
your
truss
intersections,
don't
really
matter
because
they're
just
going
to
bear
on
this
wall
or
they're
gonna
run
alongside
of
it.
A
So
this
is
more
expensive
and
a
little
difficult
to
install,
because
one
inch
gypsum
is
really
heavy,
but
it
is
is
once
you
get
it
down
it.
I
think
it
goes
a
lot
faster
because
it
doesn't
have
the
issues
of
the
inspector
coming
in
and
saying
how
you
penetrated
all
this
and
this
you
need
to
double
up
this
and
all
these
fire
requirements.
So
next
one
continuity
of
firewalls
on
townhouses.
A
A
There's
there's
front,
porch
covers
and
decks
and
other
things
that
can
get
kind
of
hairy,
and
I
don't
have
enough
time
to
cover
all
that
today.
So
I
won't
talk
about
the
separation
but
like
if
you
do
put
a
a
garage
along
the
firewall
or
the
like,
a
shed
behind
it
that
that
firewall,
if
it's
attached,
needs
to
extend
on
through
next
one.
This
is
about
the
most
complicated
thing
ever.
A
I've
tried
to
make
drawings
of
how
to
do
it
and
it
just
gets
more
and
more
confusing,
but
you've
got
four
situations
here,
where
the
the
roof
framing
is
perpendicular
or
parallel
to
the
property
line,
and
then,
if
e
ventilation
is
allowed
or
not,
and
if
you
need
the
one
hour
rated
wrap
back
on
it,
so
yeah
that's
11
o'clock.
I
don't
think
I
want
to
get
into
this.
One
could
talk
for
hours
about
this,
so
I
think
we'll
open
it
up
to
questions
so.
B
One
thing
to
know
about
not
to
die
too
much
in
the
senate
bill
458,
but
let's
use
a
quadplex
for
an
example,
and
you
go
put
the
quadplex
on
the
lot
and
then
you
go
through
the
land
division
so
now
each
unit's
on
their
own
lot
in
the
future.
If
one
of
those
homeowners
wants
to
add
on
to
their
unit
or
put
a
new
accessory
structure
like
another
garage
or
something,
you
look
at
lot
coverage
for
all
four
units
together,
so
you
will
always
go
back
to
the
original
middle
housing.
B
That's
on
there
and
look
at
lot
coverage
that
way.
So
let's
say
property
owner
number
four
comes
in
and
they
add
on
and
they
max
out
that
lot
coverage
for
the
entire
parent
site,
property
owner
number
three
can
never
come
in
and
add
on
to
their
house,
because
the
quadplex
is
now
at
the
maximum,
and
that
is
from
the
state.
M
All
right,
steve
wells
asks
many
neighborhood,
ccnrs
and
hoas
are
written
in
a
way
that
makes
2001
and
458
impossible
to
implement,
and
many
hoas
are
revising
existing
documents
to
block
2001
and
458..
I
had
heard
the
news
I
had
heard
the
new
state
laws
seek
to
override
the
ccnr
hoas
restrictions.
Is
that
true?
Or
can
you
speak
to
this
issue.
B
B
The
house
bill
2001
and
senate
bill
458.
Any
new
ccnrs
cannot
prohibit
middle
housing
if
they
were
in
existence
before
I
believe
it
was
january
1st.
Maybe
it
was
july
or
january
1st,
like
20
21,
I
have
double
checked
the
date
pre-existing
ccnrs
that
prohibit
like
adus
or
duplexes
can
continue.
Any
new
ccnr's
cannot
prohibit
metal,
housing
or
adus
on
a
lot,
and
I
am
not
familiar
with
what
the
state
is
looking
at
for
overriding
ccnrs
and
the
city
does
not
regulate
anybody's
ccnrs.
G
A
M
B
Yes,
so
in
the
bend
development
code,
we
give
you
three
options
to
apply
for
senate
bill.
458
one
is,
if
you
have
an
existing
triplexes
in
that
example,
you
can
come
in
and
convert
that
into
go
through
the
senate
bill
458
process.
You
would
definitely
need
that
letter
from
that
licensed
architect,
saying
how
that
unit.
Those
new
units
will
comply
with
the
oregon
residential
specialty
code
and
go
through
the
building
permit
process.
B
Another
one
is
if
someone
already
got
approved
for
a
triplex
has
an
active
building
permit,
they
can
come
in
and
then
do
the
senate
bill.
458
or
probably
the
cleanest
way
is,
if
you
just
have
a
vacant
piece
of
property
and
you
come
in
concurrently
and
apply
for
middle
housing
and
then
the
land
divisions,
there's
three
options:
perfect.
A
B
City
went
through
their
own
house
bill
process
and
if
you
were
over
25
000
in
population
and
came
up
with
their
own
parking
requirements,
but
each
city
either
had
to
comply
with
the
house
bill,
2001
model
code
or
the
adopted
oars,
and
even
in
all
cases,
the
parking
is
significantly
reduced
for
adu's,
duplexes,
triplexes
and
quadplexes,
and
there
I
also
want
to
bring
attention
that
a
new
bill
just
passed
and
I'm
probably
gonna,
get
it
wrong.
It's
like
the
climate,
friendly
equitable
action
plan,
something
like
that.
B
It
goes
into
effect
january
1st,
and
even
if
we're
not
going
to
put
it
in
the
bend
development
code,
it
is
still
required.
There
are
significant
parking
reductions
that
will
start
january.
1St
multi-family
will
be
reduced
down
to
one
per
unit
and
then
there's
a
whole
there's
a
list
of
uses
that
will
be
no
minimum
requirements
starting
january
1st,
including
any
dwelling
unit
that
is
under
750
square
feet.
B
H
Paulie
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
the
we
had
done
the
pre-app
for
the
college
development
that
was
a
40
unit
development.
We
were
interested
in
using
458
to
speed
up
the
land
division
process
and
at
that
time
you
had
said
that
we
there
was
a
weird
thing.
In
there
we
had
to
have
our
houses
all
the
houses
had
to
be
framed
before
we
got.
The
ceo
for
the
first
house
is
that
still
that.
H
I
C
M
B
I
would
encourage
them
to
call
the
the
planning
department
and
talk
to
them
about
whether
or
not
they
can
expand
up
because
they're
not
increasing
the
non-conformity,
they're
not
going
any
closer,
but
they
are
adding
on.
And
I
don't
know
the
exact
details
on
that.
But
I
think
it's
possible,
but
I
would
definitely
contact
the
planning
department.