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City of Bend Sounding Board to House our Neighbors Meeting for April 14, 2021.
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Anybody
who's
yeah.
I
had
10
minutes
towards
the
end.
Maybe
I
can
ask
the
folks
that
are
on
oh
we're
getting
more
actually
if
they
wanted
to
just
listen
to
the
meeting
or
if
they
were
intending
on
public
comment,
and
we
can
have
a
public
comment
section
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
too
if
they
need
to
make
comment
and
then
go
or
if
they
want
to
hang
out.
So
let
me
just
promote
a
couple
of
them
to
talk
to
see
what
they're
it's
that
yeah.
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Well,
I
had
the
moderna
and
the
only
effect
on
the
first
one
I
had
was
a
little
tired,
the
next
day
and
then
the
second
dose.
I
was
tired
the
next
day
and
had
a
very,
very
mild
headache,
and
that
was
it
so
you
know,
and
I
but
having
your
knee
replaced-
is
a
much
bigger
deal
and
I've
had
mine
replaced
and
it
was
very
hard
for
me.
So
hopefully
it'll
be
easier
for
you.
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Let's
see,
I'm
really
excited
about
starting
this
project.
I
think
we've
got
a
lot
of
opportunities
to
to
make
some
big
community
benefits
for
folks
that
are
experiencing
houselessness
right
now
and
need
some
transitional
help.
So
I'm
excited
to
start
this
and
I
might
turn
it
over
to
counselor
megan
perkins,
just
to
kind
of
welcome
everybody,
and
we
can
do
introductions
while
folks
are
trickling
in.
We
also
have
a
fair
amount
of
folks
that
are
listening
in
so
after
we
do
introductions
and
look
at
the
agenda.
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Maybe
we'll
ask
them
if
they
want
to
stay
for
the
whole
meeting
and
then
do
public
comment
at
the
end
or
if
they
want
to
provide
some
comment
and
then
get
on
to
their
wednesday.
We
could
we
could
provide
them
opportunity
at
the
beginning
and
we've
done
that
before
in
different
meetings,
so
anyway
so
I'll
hand
it
over
to
counselor
perkins
to
start.
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I
really
want
to
thank
the
city
for
putting
together
recognizing
this
need
and
putting
together
this
sounding
board
and
special
thanks
to
susannah
for
all
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far
and
getting
us
all
here
today,
and
I
really
want
to
thank
the
city
for
acknowledging
that
we
have
to
do
this
and
do
this
quickly.
I
think
there's
an
urgency
here,
and
I
know
that
we
all
feel
it.
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Our
own
house
neighbors
really
need
us
to
come
up
with
solutions,
but
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
this,
not
with
a
band-aid,
you
know,
but
with
a
surgery,
and
we
really
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
keeping
the
public
involved
in
this
process.
That's
why
I'm
glad
to
see
so
many
people
here
with
diverse
perspectives,
so
I
was
hoping
that
we
could.
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This
is
my
non-profit
background,
so
I
know
this
is
very
unlike
the
city,
but
I
was
hoping
that
we
could
introduce
ourselves
and
really
just
say
why
we're
here
today
and
what
brought
you
to
this
sounding
board
and
let's
see
how
should
I
do
this?
I
guess
I
could
just
go
on
my
screen
here.
Eric
can
I
call
on
you
first.
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I
joined
because
I
think
this
is
a
huge
issue
in
our
town
and
we've
been
through
the
house
bill
4212
process
with
the
city
of
bend
and
it
worked.
It
worked
great
and
you
know
it's
important
that
we
have
this
process
available
going
forward
because
the
zoning
and
development
code
would
be
otherwise
very
complex
and
difficult
to
get
through.
You
know
for
a
shelter,
otherwise.
Thank
you.
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Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
all
for
being
here.
I
am
here
because
I
believe
that
everyone
has
the
right
to
dream
to
have
enough
of
a
safe
shelter
that
they
can
literally
get
enough
sleep
to
get
into
rem
cycle
sleep
which
is
necessary
for
everyone,
so
I'm
so
excited
to
see
everyone
here
today,
thanks
everybody.
Thank
you.
Megan.
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Honest
jorgensen,
chair
of
neighborhood
leadership
alliance
and
my
I
think
my
primary
purpose
would
be
to
be
sure
that
I
have
a
an
opportunity
to
facilitate,
with
all
of
you,
the
communication
to
the
community
before,
during
and
after
our
recommendations,
I
think
it's
really
vital
that
we
do
everything
we
can
to
get
community
input
with
that
input
and
with
the
opportunity
to
consider
what
our
community
wants
and
solutions.
I
think
we
get
the
support
that
we
want
from
the
community
and
ultimately,
that's
what's
going
to
make
this
more
successful.
In
my
opinion,.
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I
am
here
because
I
believe
strongly
in
the
respect
and
dignity
of
all
of
our
community
members
and
hope
that
I
can
be
a
voice
for
them,
while
honoring
all
of
our
other
communities,
which
I
think
is
so
important,
a
community
is
made
up
of
a
lot
of
different
models.
We
have
town
homes
and
houses
for
rent
and
houses
for
sale,
and
I
think
when
we're
looking
at
this
challenge,
we
need
to
look
at
this
for
our
unhoused
community
members
in
the
same
way
of
providing
several
different
options
for
those
folks.
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Hi
kathy
austin,
I'm
representing
the
affordable
housing
advisory
committee
on
this
effort,
and
I've
been
on
that
for
four
and
a
half
years
now
so
been
responsible
for
helping
to
give
funds
out
to
a
lot
of
the
folks
here
on
the
call
and-
and
I
also
I'm
an
architect
and
for
nearly
30
years,
I've
been
working
on
affordable
housing
and
middle
market
housing.
I've
personally
designed
and
seen
built
two
homeless,
shelters
and
I've
been
working
on
the
stakeholder
group.
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Where
we've
been
rewriting
the
zoning
code
for
hb
2001,
and
I
guess
you
could
say,
I'm
sort
of
a
code
wonk
as
a
zoning
code
walk,
and
so,
if
I
can
offer
any
suggestions,
I'm
looking
forward
to
it
and
so
happy
that
you
have
brought
us
all
together
on
this
effort,
because
my
feeling
is
there,
but
for
the
grace
of
god
go.
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and
I
care
very
passionately
about
this
issue
to
the
point
of
tears.
So
whatever
I
can
do,
I'm
here.
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Hi,
I'm
scott
winters,
I'm
the
chair
of
the
planning
commission
and
I'm
also
a
designer
at
a
local
architecture.
Firm
does
a
commercial
educational,
affordable,
housing,
multi-family
and-
and
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
here
is-
is
I
think,
similar
to
what
council
perkins
said
that
this
deserves
more
than
just
a
band-aid
approach
to
for
these
people
to
realize
their
dreams
that
counselor
campbell
said
and
and
also
similar
to
kathy.
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I've
been
working
in
social
justice
and
nonprofit
work
for
over
20
years
and
have
managed
oregon's
largest
emergency
shelter,
homeless,
shelter
for
male
identified,
folks
from
their
animals,
homeless,
shelter
for
couples,
single
women
and
their
animals,
homeless,
shelter
for
women
and
an
executive
director
of
a
homeless
shelter
for
families,
and
I'm
just
here
to
help
where
I
can
and
echo
what
stacy
said
about.
You
know,
dignity
and
respect,
and
what
you
know
bar
counselor
campbell
has
said
about.
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A
lot
of
the
behavioral
health
components
and
I
think,
a
lot
of
the
involvement
with
bdab
and
then
getting
involved
in
this
group
is
really
to
understand
sort
of
you
know.
I
have
one
very
specific
perspective
and
it's
you
know
about
development
and
bringing
these
you
know,
houses
and
homes
to
everyone,
but
then
also
balancing
that
with
businesses
and
the
general
community
and
breaking
down
a
lot
of
the
barriers
and
sort
of
being.
You
know
like
a.
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I
would
love
to
be
able
to
be
a
catalyst
and
bring
the
right
people
to
the
right
table
so
that
we
can
break
down
a
lot
of
the
barriers
that
are
preventing
these
things
from
continuing
to
happen
in
a
you
know,
in
a
productive
way
and
just
to
have
more
of
it
so
that
all
needs
are
met.
So
that's
sort
of
the
the
long
and
the
short
of
why
I'm
here.
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Yes,
you
may
hey
everybody,
I'm
ian
lighthizer
with
the
city
attorney's
office.
I
think
I
know
a
lot
of
you
for
those
of
you
who
I
don't
know
there
are
four
of
us
in
the
office.
I
think
mary
winters,
the
city
attorney,
is
on
the
call
too.
We
are
the
city's
in-house
law
firm.
We
try
to
answer
questions
as
well
and
as
quickly
as
we
can.
That
includes,
or
can
include
questions
from
members
of
city
board
commissions
or
groups
like
this,
so
in
your
respective
capacities
as
members
of
this
group.
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Good
morning,
lynn
mcconnell,
I
am
the
affordable,
housing
director
or
sorry
manager
for
the
city
of
bend.
This
is
not
actually
in
my
sort
of
normal
day
today,
but
I
am
trying
to
pay
attention
and
make
sure
that
I
am
aware
of
what's
going
on
with
this
group,
and
we
can
support
it
from
the
program.
The
best
we
can.
Thank
you.
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Morning,
everybody,
oh,
I
don't
have
my
teal
green
background
on
I
apologize.
My
name
is
john
skidmore,
I'm
the
assistant
city
manager,
chief
operating
officer
for
the
city.
It
really
was,
it
was
cool.
I
do
know
quite
a
few
of
you,
but
dana
I'd
never
heard
about
your
background.
It
was
cool
to
hear
some
of
that
and
we
have
a
lot
of
architects
here,
which
is
pretty
cool.
R
The
city
is
kind
of
venturing
into
new
territory.
Here
this
hasn't
been
something
that
we've
really
focused
on
as
a
core
service,
and
so
I
would
just
request
that
you
be
patient
with
us
as
we
feel
our
way
through
this
very
complex
issue
and
we
try
to
staff
up
and
address
things
as
as
best
we
can.
We've
really
been
focused
more
on
on
the
police
and
and
public
safety
side
of
things.
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Good
morning,
shelley
smith,
senior
management,
analyst
in
the
city,
manager's
office
and
my
portfolio
is
home.
Health
and
human
services,
and
so
I
started
about
a
year
ago
been
helping
lead.
The
city's
diversity,
equity,
inclusion
and
accessibility
efforts
and
part
of
my
role
will
be
stepping
into
helping
more
with
the
homelessness
portfolio.
So
I'm
here
to
observe,
learn
and
so
grateful
for
everyone's
participation
today.
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Hi
everyone,
I'm
I'm
suzanna
gilbert.
I
work
in
the
city,
manager's
office
and,
let's
see
my
background,
I
have
a
landy's
planning
background
about
30
years
ago
I
managed
medford's
cdbg
program
right
out
of
grad
school
and
have
always
had
sort
of
a
passion
for
housing
and
for
social
service
type
work.
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Since
I've
been
with
the
city
about
six
years,
I've
managed
the
septic
to
sewer
advisory
committee
and
that
program
getting
that
off
the
ground
and
then
most
recently,
the
transportation
bond,
and
I
work
john,
is
my
supervisor,
so
I
work
on
mostly
external
projects,
kind
of
a
wide
swath
of
different
things.
So
I'm
excited
about
this
and
yeah.
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So
thanks
everyone
for
dedicating
your
time
and
helping
us
with
these
code
amendments
and
helping
our
community
and
all
you
do
so,
let's
see
so
I
think
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
I'm
gonna
share
a
presentation
that
just
has
the
agenda
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
start.
I
wanted
to
well.
Why
don't?
I
share
the
the
presentation
that
has
the
agenda
and
we
can
talk
about
it.
There's
a
fair
amount
of
people
in
the
attending.
The
meeting
that
I
believe
are
here
for
probably
public
comment.
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B
Considering
this
is
a
session
on
houselessness
and
helping
our
houseless
neighbors.
Is
there
any
reason,
at
least
a
single
individual
from
that
community
isn't
involved
in
this
conversation
hearing
what
they
need
firsthand
would
go
a
long
way
to
understanding
how
they
can
get
the
most
immediate
and
effective
help.
Yes,
absolutely
so
megan!
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
speak
to
that
or
wait.
Let's
see.
B
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Luke,
I'm
gonna
allow
you
to
talk
and
if
anyone
else
would
like
to
speak
before
we
start
the
meeting,
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
spend
a
few
minutes
doing
that.
I
think,
just
in
general,
our
intent
is
not
to
exclude
anybody
and
we've
got
in
a
few
meetings.
You
know
our
next
meeting.
We
want
to
talk
about
what
folks
need
and
what
type
of
designs
would
suit
them
and
then
how
we
can
best
do
that.
So
I
don't
think
our
intent
is
to
exclude
anyone
but
go
ahead.
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Yeah
this
is
luke.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I'm
not
trying
to
insinuate
that
that
was
the
intent
for
this
meeting.
I
definitely
understand
that
this
is
the
first
of
what's
most
likely
going
to
be
many
meetings,
but
I
think
the
biggest
impact
that
any
of
these
meetings
will
have
will
just
be
hearing
it
straight
from
the
affected's
mouth.
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U
At
the
top
of
this
announcement
for
this
meeting,
the
word
homeless
was
used
and
it
may
seem
semantic,
but
I
think
it's
important
to
start
with
the
baseline
understanding
that
the
people
we're
referring
to
do
have
a
home
and
that
home
is
bend
and
if
we
recognize
that
what
they
don't
have
is
a
house,
and
we
start
with
that
baseline
understanding.
Then
I,
I
think,
it'll
inform
all
of
the
decisions
that
are
made
going
forward,
and
so
that's
the
sort
of
word.
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B
B
B
Ian
lighthizer
from
our
legal
department
is
going
to
give
an
overview
of
requirements
for
committee
members.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
different
committee
because
it's
a
city
manager,
appointed
committee,
but
because
of
the
nature
of
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
it's
it's
pretty
much
like
our
our
standard
committees
that
are
open
to
the
public
with
public
comment
and
he'll
go
over
protocols
for
committee
members.
Most.
B
B
So
our
our
role
for
the
sounding
board
fits
it
sort
of
into
into
this
area.
If
you
can
see
my
mouse
moving
the
camps-
and
we
should
probably
work
on
that
because
it's
more
than
just
camps,
it's
different
types
of
shelters
and
tiny
home
villages,
something
similar
to
veterans,
village,
the
warming,
shelter
all
that
sort
of
thing
and
where
that
fits
in
our
overall
development
code,
development
code
regulates
land
use
and
what
you
can
do
with
your
property.
B
B
Where
can
we
make
recommendations
for
varying
uses
citywide
and
in
which
zoning
districts?
Where
would
we
like
to
see
shelters?
Should
we
should
we
maybe
adjust
based
on
size
of
the
shelter
type?
So
if
it's
going
to
house
more
than
25
people,
should
it
be
allowed
in
in
only
commercial
only
in
industrial?
These
are
just
examples,
and
can
we
have
smaller
shelter
types
allowed
in
residential
things
like
that,
and,
of
course,
the
state
legislative
stuff
that's
coming
along
will
impact
our
work
for
at
least
the
next
year.
B
So
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit,
we're
going
to
look
at
at
best
management
practices
from
peer
communities,
and
that
might
be
combined
into
our
next
meeting
in
two
weeks
identify
potential
code
amendments.
We
actually
have
been
working
on
this
already
pauline
hardy's
a
workhorse
and
has
already
started
on
this
with
elizabeth
o'shell,
who
is
another
city
attorney,
so
we've
got
some
ideas
that
we'll
bring
forward
to
you
all
and
get
your
input
on
in
june,
we'd
like
to
do
a
review
kind
of
a
more
community
open
house,
outreach
type
review.
B
I
don't
know
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
as
far
as
covid
numbers.
You
know
at
that
point,
but
it
could
be
some
pop-ups,
maybe
at
that
point
in
person
or
open
houses,
but
of
course
have
a
virtual
format
as
well.
So
I'm
working
on
some
ideas
like
that
and
we'll
do
an
update
to
the
planning
commission,
this
city
council,
on
our
progress
july
after
we
revise
based
on
public
input,
come
back
and
maybe
have
another
public
review
session.
B
We'll
we'll
see
how
that
looks,
additional
committee
input
and
I
can't
see
because
the
boxes
of
people
are
over
the
august,
but
in
august
we're
hoping
that
we
can
go
to
planning
commission
and
then
city
council
meetings
following
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
the
schedule?
You
could
just
unmute
yourself
and
speak.
I
can't
see
all
the
boxes.
B
No
okay,
so
it's
an
ambitious
schedule.
If
you've
worked
on
code
amendments
before
getting
to
planning
commission
in
august,
that's
a
pretty
quick
schedule,
but
I
think
we
can.
We
can
do
it
and
it's
certainly
important.
So
so
I'm
going
to
hand
it
over
to
ian
lighthizer
from
our
legal
department
now
to
do
an
overview
of
legal
requirements,
so
I'll
stop,
sharing
and-
and
if
you
need
me
to,
I
have
your
your
slides.
Also,
if
you
can't
do.
Q
Q
A
Q
Q
At
the
end,
we're
going
to
talk
about
really
two
things:
public
meetings
and
public
records
I
sent-
or
I
think
it
was
included
with
your
agenda
packet,
a
memo
that
goes
over
some
of
these
things
in
more
detail.
So
this
presentation
is
going
to
be,
I
think,
even
more
cursory
than
the
memos
to
to
the
extent
something
isn't
covered
in
this
presentation.
Go
ahead
and
look
at
that
memo.
Hopefully
it
is
there
and,
as
I
said
during
introductions,
we're
always
here
to
answer
questions.
So
first
things.
Q
First,
let
me
see
if
I
can
change
slides
that
worked
great
okay.
So
first
question
is
what
what
is
a
public
record
and
we'll
talk
about
why
this
is
important
in
a
bit,
but
what
it
is
is
essentially-
and
I'm
going
to
paraphrase
this
definition
from
from
the
statute.
It's
essentially
anything
that
is
created
that
relates
to
any
of
the
work
of
this
group,
so
that
is
completely
irrespective
of
the
technology
or
the
medium
used
to
create
the
record.
What
that
means
is
it
doesn't
matter
what
the
format
of
of
the
record
is?
Q
It
really
doesn't
matter
what
the
format
is.
If
the
content
relates
to
the
work
of
this
group,
you
are
probably
creating
a
public
record
and
one
of
the
reasons
that's
important
is
because
there's
a
default
presumption
in
oregon,
as
with
many
states
that
any
person
every
person
has
a
right
to
inspect
any
public
record
of
a
public
body
of
this
state
and
we'll
talk
about
we'll
talk
about
that
in
a
little
more
detail.
When
we
talk
about
public
meetings
law,
but
what
that
means
is
anybody
can
ask
for
any
public
records
they
want.
Q
There
usually
isn't
really
a
relevance
filter
when
somebody's
asking
for
a
public
record,
somebody
that
doesn't
live
in
the
city
of
bend.
That
has
never
been
to
the
city
of
bend
that
has
never
heard
of
the
city
of
bend,
could
ask
for
records
generated
by
this
group
or
members
of
this
group,
and
they
have
every
right
to
see
them
the
same
right
that
anybody
else
has
to
see
them.
So
there's
a
default
presumption
of
disclosure
unless
an
exemption
applies.
Q
Q
If
you
are
creating
notes
on
the
back
of
a
cocktail
napkin
or
on
the
back
of
a
receipt,
you
are
probably
also
creating
a
retention
obligation.
That
thing
has
to
be
kept,
because
the
only
way
that
somebody
can
ask
for
it
and
exercise
their
their
right
to
have
access
to
it
is
if,
as
the
public
body,
we
have
kept
it
so
different
kinds
of
public
records
have
different
retention
schedules.
Different
kinds
of
records
have
to
be
maintained
for
different
periods
of
time.
Q
The
secretary
of
state's
office
has
promulgated
a
whole
slew
of
rules
about
all
different
kinds
of
public
records
that
public
bodies
generate
that
describe
how
long
they
have
to
be
kept.
This
is
just
an
example.
This
is
not
something
you
need
to
know
much
less
memorize,
but
this
is
an
example
of
what
the
state
tells
us.
We
need
to
do
with
budgeting
records.
It
says
that
the
adopted
budget
has
to
be
maintained
on
a
permanent
basis.
We
can
never
let
that
go.
Q
Budget
preparation,
records
and
financial
impact
analysis
records
by
comparison
can
be
destroyed
after
a
certain
period
of
time,
so
we
have
all
of
these
minimum
retention
schedules
for
all
sorts
of
different
kinds
of
records.
I
actually
can't
tell
you
off
the
top
of
my
head.
If
you
make
notes
of
a
phone
call
that
relates
to
the
work
of
this
group
on
the
back
of
a
receipt,
how
long
you
have
to
keep
it,
but
rest
assured,
the
secretary
of
state
has
thought
about
this
and
said
we
have
to
keep
this
for
a
certain
period
of
time.
Q
So
we're
going
to
move
through
the
rest
of
this
public
record
stuff
pretty
quickly,
but
this
is
really
just
to
direct
you
up
to
the
site
that
the
city
has
where
we
have
a
lot
of
our
public
records
information
collected.
We
do
have
an
adopted
public
records
policy.
We
have
a
flowchart
at
that
page.
There
is
a
form
at
the
page.
Public
bodies
cannot
require
a
requester
to
use
a
particular
form,
but
we
can
have
a
form.
We
can
ask
people
to
use
it.
Q
Q
We
do
also
have
our
retention
schedule
at
that
at
that
records
management
page
and
that's
a
place
where
you
can
go.
If
you
have
questions
about
public
records
or
how
the
process
works.
One
other
highlight
I
want
to
mention,
and-
and
this
has
a
big
graphic
that
says
new
on
it-
it's
really
not
so
new
anymore.
Q
This
was
legislation
that
became
effective
in
january
of
2018,
but
what
senate
bill
481
did
that
was
important?
Is
it
imposed
some
more
structured
timelines
on
a
public
body's
acknowledgment
and
response
to
a
public
records
request,
and
the
reason
I
still
have
this
in
the
presentation
is
because
public
bodies
have
to
acknowledge
and
process
public
records
requests
within
prescribed
periods
of
time.
Q
There
are,
I
won't
call
them
exceptions,
but
there
are
cases
where
you
simply
can't
get
the
work
done
due
to
other
work
or
due
to
the
volume
or
nature
of
a
request
within
the
prescribed
period
of
time.
So
in
those
scenarios,
a
public
body
can
take
the
amount
of
time
that
is
reasonable
to
fulfill
a
request.
But
the
reason
I
have
this
up
here
is
because,
if
we,
the
city,
do
get
a
public
records
request
relating
to
the
work
of
this
group,
we
have
to
move
on
it
pretty
quickly.
Q
We
have
to
acknowledge
it
and
try
to
get
it
completed
or
fulfilled
really
as
quickly
as
we
reasonably
can.
So
this
is
really
just
up
here
to
let
you
know
that
if
city
staff
come
to
any
of
you-
and
it's
probably
the
city
recorder,
but
if
susannah
is
involved
in
responding
to
a
public
records
request
and
she
needs
something
from
you-
we're
gonna
ask
for
a
pretty
timely
response,
because
we
have
an
obligation
to
try
to
try
to
get
through
it
pretty
quickly.
Q
So,
if
you
ever
feel
like
we're
pestering
you
about
public
records
issue,
that's
why
I
think
this
is
the
last
slide
in
public
records,
and
this
is
kind
of
good
news
right,
the
the
it's
not
bad
news,
but
I
think
it
can
be
daunting
to
somebody
who's
never
worked
in
the
public
sector.
When
I
talk
about
you
know,
obligations
that
are
created
from
you
writing
notes
on
a
receipt
or
a
napkin
that
can
be
maybe
a
little
bit,
if
not
concerning
it's
an
obligation
that
you
you're
just
learning
that
you
might
have.
Q
So
I'm
trying
to
balance
this
with
some
good
news
about
voicemail.
We,
we
don't
have
to
say
voicemails.
So
if
somebody
calls
you
on
your
I'm
going
to
use
the
personal
cell
phone
as
an
example,
if
somebody
sends
a
text
to
you
on
your
personal
cell
phone
and
it's
about
your
work
as
part
of
this
group
or
the
business
of
this
group,
that
is
probably
a
public
record
that
you
need
to
maintain
because
there's
a
retention
obligation.
Q
Q
Maybe
is
not
one
that
we
talk
about
that
often,
but
it
is
a
public
record,
but
you
don't
necessarily
have
to
save
all
your
voicemails
that
you
get
related
to
your
work
on
this
committee.
So
that's
it
for
public
records.
I'm
going
to
talk
about
public
meetings
really
quickly,
unless
anybody
has
questions
about
this
so
far,
hearing
none
seeing
none,
okay,
public
meeting.
So
only
a
couple
slides
on
this.
This
is
really
covered
in
more
depth.
In
that
memorandum.
Q
You,
you
are,
by
virtue
of
your
service
on
this
group,
part
of
the
governmental
decision
making
process.
Now
the
reason
that
this
city
manager
appointed
group
is
subject
to
the
public
meetings
law-
and
it
is-
is
because
part
of
what
you
will
be
doing
is
generating
and
making
recommendations
to
the
city
council,
because
you
will
be
doing
that
because
you
will
be
making
recommendations
to
another
governing
body,
the
the
sort
of
highest
level
governing
body
of
the
city
of
bend.
You
are
yourself
considered
a
governing
body
and
the
reason
the
law
is
set
up.
Q
That
way
is
because
it
would
really
be
easy
to
evade
the
purpose
of
the
public
meetings
law,
which
is
to
make
sure
that
decision
making
happens
in
public
if
the
law
allowed
sort
of
sub
groups
to
do
all
the
work
and
create
recommendations
that
were
only
acted
on
by
the
ultimate
governing
body.
But
those
subgroups
didn't
have
to
do
their
work
in
public
that
that
wouldn't
be
consistent
with
the
the
philosophical
foundation
of
the
public
meetings
law,
which
is
that
we
don't
make
decisions
in
smoke-filled
back
rooms
right.
Q
We
make
them
in
a
way
that
the
public
can
access
the
public
meetings.
Law
is
not
a
public
participation
law;
it
does
not
actually
require
a
governing
body
of
a
public
body,
whether
it's
this
group
or
the
planning
commission
or
the
city
council
to
take
public
comment.
There
are
other
requirements
that
that
require
public
public
testimony
component
in
some
proceedings
like
a
land
use,
proceeding,
for
example,
but
there
is
no
requirement
that
a
a
governing
body
such
as
this
take
public
comment.
Q
Most
of
them
do
most
of
them
do,
but
it's
not
required
by
the
public
meetings
law.
What
the
public
meetings
law
requires
is
that
meetings
be
noticed
ahead
of
time
that
they
be
somehow
recorded,
whether
that's
on
video
or
through
minutes,
that
they
be
open
to
the
general
public
and
that
they
be
accessible?
That's
what
the
law
requires,
and
the
reason
is
that
the
decision-making
process
needs
to
be
open.
It
needs
to
be
something
that
people
can
see.
Q
I
will
say
that
the
public
meetings
law
was
written
before
before
we
had
virtual
meetings
really
before
we
had
email,
certainly
before
we
had
social
media.
So
it
can
be
a
little
bit
difficult
to
make
the
ways
that
we
communicate
with
each
other
now
fit
within
this
law.
And
so,
if
you
get
annoying
emails
from
the
city
attorney's
office
on
this
subject,
we
apologize
in
advance.
But
we've
got.
We've
got
communications
tools
now
and
information
sharing
tools
that
weren't
imaginable
when
people
were
worried
about
the
literal
smoke
filled
back
room
and
and.
L
Q
Facebook
or
twitter
or
email,
so
we're
kind
of
I
feel
like
we're.
The
public
public
meetings,
laws
in
oregon
and
in
other
places
are
kind
of
going
through
some
growing
pains.
I
think
at
some
point.
They
will
be
updated
to
reflect
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
dialogue
and
information
gathering
and
decision
making
can
happen
via
these
other
channels
in
a
way
that
actually
can
be
open
and
accessible
to.
Q
Maybe
more
people
than
a
traditional
city
council
meeting
is,
for
example,
but
but
we're
not
there
yet
and
that's
something
of
a
segway
into
one
thing.
I
want
to
talk
about
that's
not
in
the
presentation,
but
is
in
the
memorandum
governing
bodies
which
which
this
is
can
get
in
trouble
through
electronic
meetings
or
so-called
serial
meetings.
Q
Q
I'm
not
going
to
go
over
that
today
feel
free
to
look
at
it
later
and
ask
me
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
outline
some
of
the
other
committees
and
boards
that
the
city
has.
We
essentially
have
three
kinds
of
governing
bodies
other
than
the
city
council.
We
have
standing
committees,
these
are
in
our
code.
These
are
permanent
committees,
boards
or
commissions
that
are
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
council.
We
also
have
ad
hoc
committees
that
are
appointed
by
council.
These
are
temporary.
Q
These
tend
to
be
intended
to
tackle
a
particular
issue,
a
particular
problem
or
project.
Once
that
work
is
done,
they're
disbanded.
We
have
a
few
examples
there.
Finally,
we
have
this
third
kind
of
group,
which
is
what
you
are
you're,
a
city
manager
appointed
committee
or
a
group
or
working
group
or
advisory
body
or
advisory
group.
The
name
isn't
really
that
important,
but
that's
what
you
do.
We
have
two
kinds
of
city
manager,
appointed
bodies.
We
have
bodies
that
make
recommendations
or
work
with
staff
and
an
example
of
that
is
our
h.
Q
Our
house
bill
2001
stakeholder
group
that
pauline
hardy
is
leading
and
then,
in
contrast,
we
have
groups
like
this
that
are
appointed
by
the
city
manager,
but
they're.
The
charge
of
the
group
includes
making
recommendations
to
the
city
council.
That's
why
this
group
is
subject
to
the
public
meetings
law,
where,
in
contrast,
pauline's
hb
2001
group
is
not
necessarily
so
so
that's
really
it
from
me.
That's
a
repeat
for
a
lot
of
you,
maybe
new
information
for
some
of
you,
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
now
or
take
them
via
email
at
any
time.
B
Unmute,
no,
that's
not
ian
great,
okay,
okay,
we'll
be
sure
to
just
you
know,
call
or
email
enri.
If
you
have
questions
about
that
and
I'm
gonna
go
over
now,
because
I
didn't
do
it
before
we
just
look
at
the
charter
real
quick,
see
if
I've
missed
anything.
So
let
me
pull
this
up.
So
here's
here's
our
draft
charter
that
I
sent
out
to
you
all.
I
think
it's
always
good.
We
try
at
the
city
to
have
sort
of
like
operating
rules
before
we
before
we
start.
B
This
goes
into
a
little
bit
of
what
ian
was
talking
about
as
well.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
all
had
a
chance
to
read
this
and
it
basically
lays
out
your
purpose
and
really.
Your
purpose
is
number
two
here
under
our
council
goals
and
their
strategy
for
the
next
upcoming
year,
we're
starting
a
little
bit
ahead
of
things
but
modify
city
codes
to
allow
for
managed
camps,
shelters
and
other
facilities
to
address
homelessness
and
create
housing
or
facilities
to
house
500,
homeless,
individuals
on
a
temporary
or
permanent
basis.
B
So
that's
a
hefty
number
of
units,
but
this
will
make
give
us
progress
towards
those
those
two
goals.
We
went
over
the
schedule
already.
Let
me
know
if
you
have
any
any
questions
on
that
and
this
dovetails
into
the
next
topic:
we'll
talk
about
the
state
legislation,
but
the
the
work
of
the
state
legislation
on
house
bill
2006
has
a
sunset
of
july:
1
2022.
B
So
even
if
it's
past
this
legislative
session,
the
work
we're
doing
is
still
really
critical
to
providing
longer
term
solutions
for
transitional
housing
throughout
the
city,
because
the
state
the
state
super
siting
bill
is
basically
what
it
is
is
has
a
sunset.
But
we'll
talk
about
that
more
in
detail.
B
Here's
the
committee
members
talk
about
city
staff,
support,
I'm
going
to
try
and
get
you
materials
one
week
in
advance,
but
that's
pretty
difficult
when
we're
meeting
every
other
week
for
april
and
may
but
I'll
try
my
best,
it
might
be
the
friday.
You
know
like
I
did
this
last
time,
so
we
have
a
website
set
up
I'll,
make
sure
that
everybody
has
access
to
that,
and
then
this
is
on
decision
making
quorum
and
voting.
B
So
we're
hopefully
going
to
operate
on
a
consensus,
building
model,
you'll,
be
attending
meetings
and
reviewing
material
as
needed
committee
members
can
ask
questions,
respect
differing
views
and
work
together
when
you're
not
able
to
agree
on
a
specific
recommendation.
The
recommendation
of
a
majority
of
the
committee
will
be
identified
as
the
primary
recommendation.
B
You
may
be
able
to
do
a
minority
opinion
if
that
seems
like
something
that's
developing,
please
just
be
open
with
us
because
there's
ways
to
to
do
it
that
will
just
make
it
easier
for
everybody,
so
we'll
just
try
and
respect
open
communication
with
each
other
in
the
group.
Let's
see
talk
about
the
meeting
schedule.
This
is
repetitive.
The
time
involved.
I'm
hoping
it's
an
average
of
six
hours
a
month
for
this
month
and
the
next
month,
and
then
it
will
taper
off
a
little
bit.
B
We
may
have
a
need
for
working
groups,
the
committee's
small
enough
and
we're
on
an
aggressive
enough
timeline
that
I
don't
think
that
will
be
likely.
But
you
know
we
can
always
do
that.
Communication
outside
of
meetings
ian
just
went
through
that
in
detail.
So
does
anyone
have
anything
to
add
to
the
charter?
J
D
J
We
begin
drafts
and
I
guess
what
I
would
would
suggest
is
if
we
can
find
ways
to
get
some
community
input
as
to
the
sorts
of
concerns
issues
and
maybe
the
the
pushback
we
might
get
if
we
could
somehow
identify
community
input
before
that,
rather
than
after
we
come
up
with
some
proposals
and
I'm
just
harkening
back
to
it
seems
simple.
But
recalling
that
we
had
some
issues
when
we
considered
juniper
ridge
for
a
managed
camp
and
the
concern
there
was
really
just,
I
think,
almost
a
matter
of
timing.
J
This
by
the
way,
last
night
in
the
neighborhood
leadership
alliance
and
asked
the
representatives
of
that
committee
to
reach
out
to
their
neighborhood
associations
and
get
as
much
input.
I've
also
encouraged
people
to
attend
these
meetings,
but
you
know,
obviously
that's
always
a
challenge
for
all
of
us,
but
anything
that
we
can
do
to
collect
input
before
we
make
recommendations.
I
think,
would
help
us
get
more
support.
B
That's
a
good
point:
yeah.
We
can
definitely
work.
I
can
work
with
michaela
and
joshua
to
maybe
try
and
get
well.
I
know
we're
going
to
be
doing
pretty
pretty
current,
like
news
blurbs
and
things
like
that,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
folks
have
the
most
accurate
information.
We
can
definitely
do
that.
J
J
G
G
J
J
I
think
michaela
of
volunteer
michaela
is
the
person
that
could
probably
collect
this.
This
information
and
feedback
for
our
consideration
offline,
perhaps
so
that
we're
all
just
aware
of
the
sorts
of
things
that
the
community
has
already
expressed
in
terms
of
issues,
concerns
and
the
things
they'd
be
willing
to
support.
B
We
could
also
do
something
I
mean
I
know
for
the
transportation
bond.
We
had
a
super
simple,
like
three
question
survey
and
had
you
know
some
some
multiple
choice,
questions
basically
and
then
people
could
add
projects
that
they
wanted
to
see
and
even
though
it
wasn't
like
statistically
valid
information,
it
was
really
interesting
to
see
like
oh
this
project.
You
know,
or
this
area
is
getting
like
2
000
responses,
you
know
or
like
they
think
this
is
important.
B
That's
you
know
pretty
valid
information,
so
we
could
do
something
like
that
once
we're
along
the
way
in
recommendations
and
that's
a
pretty
easy
way,
we
could
just
host
it
online.
I
know
a
lot
of
people
don't
have
access
to
the
internet,
but
we
can
figure
out
some
way
to
get
the
word
out
kind
of
a
combination
of
different
tools,
so
yeah
good
ideas.
I
think
we
could.
We
can
definitely
do
that.
F
I
just
wanted
to
throw
my
support
behind
the
proposal
in
our
project.
We
had
early
contact
with
the
neighbors
and
sought
their
opinion
and
feedback,
and
I
think
it's
been
a
real
opportunity
to
partner
with
the
neighborhood
and
the
larger
neighborhood
association,
and
that's,
I
think
it's
just
been.
It's
created
a
real
productive
dialogue
and
I've
been
proactive
versus
reactive.
You
know
for
the
project
so
really
like
this
idea
that
hans
surfaced.
J
B
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
next
about,
oh,
so
getting
sorry,
I
will
revise
the
charter
and
send
it
out
to
folks-
and
I
think
I'll
work
with
michaela
and
joshua
to
try
and
figure
out
a
way
that
we
can
kind
of
make
sure
we're
getting
active
news
out
there
to
the
community
about
this
this
topic
and
then
a
way
that
we
can
get
some
community
support.
You
know
input
along
the
way
and
there
was
a
question
in
the
chat
about.
B
Receiving
input
from
folks
that
are
houseless
and
absolutely
we
can.
We
can
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that.
I
have
some
ideas,
so
we
can
talk
about
that.
Maybe
at
the
next
meeting,
so
I'll
come
back
with
some
ideas
on
that.
So
I
wanted
to
just
go
over
real,
quick,
the
house,
the
bills
in
the
house
that
are
under
consideration
right
now,
consider
concerning
houseless
folks,
so
house
bill
2006
and
house
bill
3261..
B
These
have
passed
the
house,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
they
haven't
passed
the
senate.
I
think
they're
scheduled
for
senate
hearings
and
lynn
go
ahead
and
unmute
and
speak
up.
If
you
have
more
information
on
that
than
I
do
but
house
bills,
2006
requires
a
city
to
approve
an
application
for
an
emergency
shelter
that
includes
sleeping
and
restroom
facilities.
Other
facilities
does
not
need
to
comply
with
local
land
use
process
still
has
to
comply
with.
B
Building
codes
is
within
a
ugb
is
not
cited
in
a
natural
hazard
or
hazard
disaster
hazard
zone
and
complies
with
hazard
regulations
has
adequate
transportation.
Access
to
commercial
and
medical
services
will
not
pose
an
unreasonable
risk
or
public
health
to
help
public
health
or
safety
and
house
bill.
2006
is
time
limited,
as
I
mentioned
before,
it
expires
july,
1
2022..
B
Q
N
That
is
the
statute
that
allowed
eric
tobiasen
to
cite
the
veterans
village
without
having
to
bother
with
our
development
coach.
So
the
requirement
really
is
just
that
you
know
zoning
more
or
less
doesn't
matter
as
long
as
the
applicant
can
prove
that
it
is
going
to
be
safe
and
accessible
for
folks
to
stay
in
these
places.
So
I
believe
3261
had
a
hearing
yesterday
in
the
senate
housing
committee,
it
looks
like
that
was
continued
they'll.
Do
it
again
today,
as
well
as
house
bill
2006?
B
K
B
K
I
had
a
question
regarding
the
ccnr's
and
at
what
point
when
an
hoa
has
is
defunct
and
there
have
been
no
meetings,
does
it
in
any
way
invalidate
the
ccnr's
I've.
I've
heard
conflicting
information
on
this
and
I'm
curious
as
to
what
legal
ways
there
may
be
to
impose
this
over
non-existent
hoa
ccnr
enforcement.
So
I
just
wondered
if,
if
ian
had
any
any
comment
on
that.
Q
Yes,
sort
of
I
mean,
practically
speaking,
what
an
inactive
or
under
active
hoa
means
usually,
is
that
there's
not
to
enforce
ccnr's?
It's
usually
an
hoa
that
conducts
enforcement
again.
These
are
private
agreements.
Private
restrictions
between
hoa
and
people
who
buy
property
so
government,
including
doesn't
have
a
role
in
really
thinking
much
about
them,
much
less
enforcing
them.
So
if
there's
an
hoa
that
isn't
active
anymore,
you
usually
have
effectively
you
have
a
restriction,
but
nobody
to
actually
enforce
it.
F
Q
Whether
a
dissolved
or
inactive
hoa
means
that
the
particular
restrictions
are
no
longer
valid
may
have
something
to
do
with
how
they're
written
how
the
hoa
is
by.
I
mean
that
that's
I
that's
a
little
bit
hard
to
say.
I'm
not
aware
of
any
sort
of.
I
can't
think
of
any
hard
and
fast
legal
trigger
that
says.
If
an
h.o.a
defunct
for
x
number
of
years,
this
applicable
cc
and
ours
no
longer
apply,
but
I'm
also
not
an
hoa
lawyer.
Q
Q
K
Q
Yeah
I
I
can't
say
that
there's
not,
but
you
know,
are
so
again
not
being
an
hoa
lawyer
and
and
the
re
one
of
the
reasons
I
don't
know.
If
there's
not
is
because
it's
a
city,
you
know
we
take
the
position
as
most
cities
do
that
just-
and
this
is
analogous,
I
think,
but
hopefully
helpful.
We
take
the
position
that
we
enforce
our
codes
right.
We
don't
enforce
typically
private
agreements
in
the
existence
of
ccnr's
in
terms
of,
for
example,
a
typical
development
application
decision
that
the
city
would
make
is
not
particularly
relevant.
J
That'll
be
important,
also
adequate
transportation,
access
for
medical
services,
health
and
safety.
Those
are
issues
that
that
were
highlighted
by
the
community.
So
I
think
if
they
understand
that
those
two
points
I
know
are
going
to
be
really
hot
topics
so
when
they
understand,
for
instance,
that
the
law
does
not
require
the
land
use
process
be
observed.
That's
going
to
put
a
lot
of
these
arguments.
It's
not
going
to
put
them
to
bed,
but
it's
certainly
going
to
do
a
lot
in
terms
of
table
setting
so
that
people
understand
what
can
be
done.
J
B
B
It
requires
the
city
to
unconditionally
allow
the
conversion
of
the
lawful
use
of
a
property
from
a
hotel
or
a
motel
to
use
as
an
emergency,
shelter
and
same
thing.
If
it's,
if
it's
in
an
urban
growth
boundary,
if
it's
not
designated
for
heavy
industrial
use,
I
don't.
I
don't
think
we
have
any
hotels
in
in
hi,
but
I'm
not
totally
positive
has
adequate
transportation
access
and
it's
not
within
a
designated
hazard
or
natural
disaster
area
and
same
thing.
We
can
require
building
code
compliance
occupancy
limits,
but
not
not
the
land
use
process.
B
B
N
Yeah
yeah,
you
always
know
more
than
me,
so
that's
also
slated
and
what
I'll
do
if
folks
are
interested
is
just
paste
into
the
q.
A
the
link
to
the
hearing
and
work
session
this
afternoon
in
case
folks
are
interested
in
watching
it
go
through
senate
housing
today.
So
I'll
do
that
in
just
a
moment
great.
B
B
So,
let's
see
next,
I'm
gonna
ask
pauline
hardy
to
to
help
me
with
this
a
little
bit.
We
wanted
to
kind
of
walk
you
through
our
work
and
prep
for
the
next
meeting.
What
we
were
wondering
about,
we,
we
have
kind
of
thought
about
different
shelter
types
in
this
column,
one
as
sort
of
four
four
basic
kind
of
types,
so
the
first
one
is
is
a
mass
shelter,
so
a
large
large
gathering
space,
the
sleeping
area,
is
not
separated
by
partitions
or
rooms
or
anything.
B
Next,
we
thought
of
outdoor
shelter
sites,
so
a
lot
or
a
parcel
with
temporary
units,
so
it
would
be
like
eric's
veterans,
village
and
covos
veterans.
Village.
Hope
village
in
medford
is
another
example:
dignity,
village
in
portland.
So
it's
a
lot
with
eric.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
veterans
village?
Actually,
so
I'm
not
the
only
one
talking.
F
Sure
yeah,
basically
it's
it's,
it's
a
it's
on
leased
ground
and
it's
about
an
acre.
We
have
15
individual
occupancy
shelters,
so
not
double
occupancy,
not
family,
just
individuals
with
a
community
building
for
services
for
case
management,
showers,
laundry
dining
kitchen
and
just
generally
community
in
like
a
great
room
for
being
communal,
and
you
know,
there's
no
segregation
on
the
individual
shelter
parcels.
F
F
Yeah
absolutely
we'll
have
on-site
case
managers
pretty
much
seven
days
a
week.
At
least
you
know
five
days
a
week,
40
hours
a
week
with
case
plans
for
every
individual,
that's
in
the
program
kovo
is
going
to
be
operating
it.
So
I'm
on
the
construction
side
of
building
the
particular
project,
but
yeah
kobo
has
case
managers
that
will
be
assigned
to
each
of
these
villagers.
B
Okay,
great-
and
so
this
is
sort
of
like
people
have
seen
palette
palette.
I
have
a
picture
of
palette
and
another
slide,
but
there
are
these
white
kind
of
emergency
shelters
that
go
up
pretty
quick
and
they've
been
going
up,
medford's
got
them,
portland
hood
river
eugene,
I
think,
and
a
whole
santa
clara
california
they're
kind
of
these.
These
small,
I
think
they're
like
46
square
feet
or
something
like
that.
B
There
might
be
a
little
bit
96
square
feet,
but
they
go
up
really
quick
and
they're
sort
of
like
the
tiny
home
village
type
of
concept.
So
this
is
kind
of
what
we
were
thinking
as
far
as
at
the
outdoor
shelter
site
and
then
short-term
shelter
permanent
facility
with
individual
rooms
is
sort
of
like
the
bethlehem
inn
or
the
project
turnkey
or
the
motel
model
that
turns
into
a
transitional
housing
site.
B
G
B
H
M
Absolutely
this
is
stacy.
I
think
that
this
could
be
open
for
discussion,
but
the
way
things
are
working
in
many
of
the
different
programs
is
through
a
coordinated
entry
model
where
an
assessment
form
is
filled
out.
Much
like
we
did
at
our
isolation,
motel,
and
so
it
with
the
way
the
system
has
been
working
is
those
that
have
the
highest
score,
meaning
that
they're
the
most
vulnerable
would
get
placed
into
units.
So
I
think
that
would
be
something
we'd
have
to
kind
of
discuss
and
make
a
decision.
M
M
We
want
to
empower
them
to
have
decisions
as
to
where
they
also
feel
that
they
would
be
most
successful,
and
that
model
is
going
to
be
really
important,
because
we
have
to
remember
we're
not
just
going
to
grab
someone
pluck
them
off
the
ground
and
pop
them
into
a
model
that
we
think
is
appropriate,
that
we
really
want
to
be
working
with
them
and
seeing
what
their
goals
and
agendas
are
for
themselves.
So
there
are
two
models
right
now
for
how
we
do
that
great
okay.
J
Just
just
a
question,
obviously
we're
we're
concerned
with
the
folks
here
in
central
oregon
and
at
the
risk
of
this
being
misunderstood.
There
is
a
sense
of
one
of
the
concerns
was.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come.
Is
there
a
way
that,
without
being
discriminatory,
we
can
be
sure
that
we're
focusing
on
the
needs
of
central
oregonians
as
opposed
to
others
that
may
come?
I
think
I've
asked
this
question
before
in
an
la
setting,
so
maybe
just
for
the
benefit
of
me
or
anyone
else
that
doesn't
recall
that.
N
So
federal,
fair
housing
law-
this
is
one
of
those
places
where
it
just
gets
really
complex.
We
are
a
predominantly
white
community,
and
so,
if
we
put
any
sort
of
residency
requirements
in
place
that
could
be
seen
as
discriminatory
towards
our
bipoc
community.
So,
unfortunately,
I
have
not
been
able
to
thread
that
needle
in
a
way
that
sort
of
helps
benefit
our
our
the
fabric
of
our
current
society.
N
Without
appearing
to
be
discriminatory,
I
am
open
to
suggestions
of
folks
what
that
I
think,
we're
very
aware
of
the
city
that
you
know
we
want
to
support
the
existing
residents
of
the
city,
but
so
far
there
we
haven't
found
the
way
to
do
that
effectively
without
violating
fair
housing
law.
I
will
say-
and
I
think
stacy
and
others
probably
can
back
me
up
on
this.
The
vast
majority
of
folks
identified
through
our
annual
point
in
time
homeless,
count
became
homeless
while
residing
in
central
oregon.
N
So
the
vast
majority
of
folks
who
are
out
there
are
in
fact,
from
the
region
and
lost
housing
while
they
were
here
already,
and
they
have
remained
here
as
well.
So
there
are
a
handful
of
folks
who
move
here,
because
this
is
where
their
family
support
system
is
and
then
and
then
you
know
that
may
go
south
after
some
amount
of
time.
But
but
the
good
news
is
primarily
the
folks
who
are
experiencing
houselessness
here
in
central
oregon
have
become
houseless,
while
they
were
here.
J
G
G
B
J
I
offer
this
up
because
I
think
that,
in
terms
of
you
know,
we
have
some
some
salesmanship
to
do
here.
It's
information
education,
but
it's
also
a
little
bit
of
explanation
and
I
think
those
are
the
sorts
of
questions,
although
they're
unpleasant
they
get
asked-
and
we
certainly
don't
want
to
avoid
those
questions.
But
it's
important
to
people
to
understand
that.
We've
already
thought
about
some
of
these
things
and
we're
not
just
sweeping
something
under
the
rug.
B
Yeah,
okay
and
also
lynn,
has
a
link
to
fair
housing
training.
I
meant
to
send
that
up
out
to
you
it's
just
a
youtube
video,
I
think,
and
so
I'll
get
that
for
you
all
and
I'll
send
it
out
before
the
next
meeting,
because
I
think
it's
important
stuff
gives
some
context
to
what
we're
doing
as
well.
One.
B
F
Oh
well,
yeah,
just
to
repeat
the
point
that
case
management
is
has
been
shown
to
be
the
effective
component
versus
just
providing
you
know,
structures
for
houses,
so
I
just
want
to
plus
one
that
comment,
and
you
know
going
back
to
the
earlier
question
about
entry,
yeah,
coordinated
entry
seems
to
be
the
most
effective
model
and
that's
that's
generally.
What
kobo
uses
in
a
process
and
a
measurement
technique
to
identify
the
barriers-
and
you
know,
because
that's
used
in
in
the
case
management
process,
to
remove
those
barriers
over
time.
F
M
There
is
a
system,
and
I
I'm
not
sure
if
I'm
saying
something
that
everyone
already
knows.
It's
called
the
vi
spadat
and
I
know
our
veterans
use
that
as
well,
and
essentially
it
is
an
assessment
tool
to
assess
the
vulnerability
of
those
that
are
experiencing
homelessness
and
we
find
that
when
someone
that
has
had
a
relationship
without
those
folks
are
doing,
the
v.I
spit
out
we're
getting
much
more
accurate
data
and
information
and
that's
what
we're
using
for
the
coordinated
entry
right
now
in
our
housing
with
views
and
rapid
rehousing
program
models.
G
G
K
I'd
just
like
to
say
that
my
understanding
is
most
of
our
houseless
community,
or
a
lot
of
them
are
working
locally,
which
is
why
they
want
to
stay
here,
because
it's
their
only
source
of
income,
and
I
think,
there's
a
misperception
in
the
community
at
large
that
everybody
that's
homeless
is
that
has
no
job
and
they're
on
drugs
and
all
those
negative
things.
So
the
more.
K
I
would
agree
with
everything
that
hans
has
brought
up
and
everyone
else
that
you
need
to
be
proactive
in
getting
that
information
out
there
and
that
these
are
things
we
have
thought
about,
and
there
are
processes
and
standard
ways
of
doing
this,
that
you
know
that
education
piece
is
going
to
be
critical
to
avoid
the
kind
of
negative
pushback
that
we'll
get
anyway.
But
the
more
people
who
understand
the
situation
and
have
the
information.
K
I
think
the
better
off
we'll
be
overall
in
accomplishing
our
goals,
and
I
do
appreciate
the
intake
process
rather
than
or
the
evaluation
for
vulnerability,
as
opposed
to
first
come
first
serve.
I
think
that's
really
critically
important
when
we're
trying
to
look
at
the
health
and
maintaining
the
health
and
well-being
of
our
community.
M
The
one
other
piece
we'll
have
to
be
really
careful
about
is.
We
have
to
be
realistic
to
understand
that
some
of
our
most
vulnerable
community
members
may
not
necessarily
be
those
that
are
successful
in
these
models,
and,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
it's
going
to
identify
another
gap
in
services,
which
is
what
I
would
call
more
of
a
supportive
housing
model
where
those
that
are
experiencing
a
mental
health
conditions
and
challenges
need
to
be.
They
deserve
the
dignity
of
being
in
a
housing
model
as
well,
but
may
need
more
supports
around
them.
M
B
B
This
is
kind
of
a
moot
point,
but
we
for
us
to
operate
beyond
that
and
even
if
it
passes
and
some
folks
might
want
to
choose
to
do
the
land
use
process
because
I
don't
know,
maybe
their
funding
is
tied
to
grants
or
something
like
that,
and
it
provides
more
certainty
if
we've
got
this
stuff
embedded
in
our
regulations
for
them,
we
have
to
look
at
things
in
terms
of
not
so
much
the
management
type.
I
mean,
I
think
we
could
talk
about.
B
So
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
saying
that
wrong,
but
for
each
of
these
I
would
think
that
there's
a
different
management
piece
to
it
that
maybe
is
a
high
barrier,
low
barrier,
type
of
type
of
management
type,
and
so
those
those
could
be
sort
of
identified
by
zoning
district,
if
that
makes
sense
like
a
high
barrier,
shelter.
So
there's
more
management
and
more
more
direct
day-to-day
work
with
the
folks
that
are
using
the
services
might
be
allowed.
You
know
up
to
20
people
in
a
residential
district.
B
The
same
type
of
model
might
be
up
to
30
units
in
a
commercial
district.
Something
like
that.
So
we
could
talk
about
that
along
the
way,
and
we
don't
have
to
do
that
today.
But
the
main
thing
pauline-
and
I
were
wondering
about
today-
is:
do
we
have
the
right
categories
in
this
first
column,
so
we
can
start
kind
of
working
on
which
zoning
districts
are
these
type
of
things
allowed
in
and
what
standards
should
be
applicable.
So
standards
are
things
like
outdoor
gathering
space
parking?
B
B
If
you
think
about
it,
there's
a
lot
of
folks
out
there.
I
mean
I've
been
working
with
somebody
over
the
last
few
weeks
who
has
a
relative
who's
homeless
and
she
doesn't
want
to
she.
She
has
an
rv.
She
just
doesn't
have
a
place
to
put
it,
she
doesn't
want
to
go
out
to
huntle
road.
She
doesn't
want
to
be
in
a
service
type
of
thing,
she's,
a
functioning
person
that
has
a
job
she
just
doesn't
have
a
place
to
live.
B
So
we
get
more
than
a
few
requests
like
that
with
the
wildfires
from
last
summer,
we
have
an
emergency
order
that
allows
them
through
the
emergency
order,
so
that
would
be
through
the
end
of
june,
but
after
that
they
won't
be
allowed,
and
then
we've
got
something
called
a
medical
hardship,
housing
permit,
which
would
allow
something
like
that,
but
for
a
lot
of
people
in
town
they
might
just
need
that
short-term
ability
to
camp
in
in
their
neighbor's
driveway
or
their
relative's
driveway.
So
that's
the
other
type
of
housing.
B
We're
kind
of
we
were
envisioning,
but
we
wanted
to
ask
you
as
experts
out
there.
Are
there
other
types?
What
are
we
missing?
Hans?
You
mentioned
the
managed
camps.
I
think
that
would
go
into
this
outdoor
shelter
site
parcel
type
model
for
temporary
units.
Is
there
anything
else
that
we
are
sort
of
missing
here.
M
B
K
I
I
have
a
comment
or
question
mostly
for
pauline:
we've
been
talking
about
micro
units
and
small
clusters
of
micro
units
that
look
like
a
single
family
home
versus
you
know.
A
multi-story
type
of
thing
would
that
fit
into
the
short-term
shelter
permanent
facility
with
individual
rooms
type
of
it's
it's
a
little
different
than
bethlehem
in
or
project
turnkey.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
I
mean
something
that
has
to
be
developed.
It
doesn't
exist
right
now.
K
L
P
Of
stay
on
the
micro
unit,
so
they
could
be
a
30
day,
rental
or
longer,
I
suppose,
but
if
we
are
interested
we
could
also
change
that
or
you
know
somehow
put
it
in
the
code
under
the
temporary
or
transitional
housing
standards
too,
to
help
it
fit
better
into
the
short-term
shelters
as
well.
You
got
both.
B
Okay,
are
we
missing
anything
else
and
of
course
we
can
come
back
to
this
at
another
meeting.
My
thought
is
for
the
next
meeting.
We
can
do
pure
cities,
we
can
shift
things
around
and
look
at
some
examples
and
make
sure
you
know
that
what
we're
going
to
be
providing
in
the
code
or
what
people
like
as
far
as
like
this
is
the
housing
type
that
would
work
for
our
population,
you
know
or
that
we
think
might
work,
and
then
we
are
making
the
right
provisions
in
our
code.
B
For
for
that,
so
I
think
that's
what
I'd
like
to
do.
If
that
sounds
good
yeah
have
some
examples
to
go
by.
Let's
see,
I
had
a
question,
but
I
lost
it
ways
to
stop
or
go
on
and
then
so.
Our
goal
basically
is
to
develop.
These
categories
make
sure
we're
looking
at
the
right
zoning
districts
for
them
by
size
by
type,
whether
they're
high
barrier
low
barrier
and
then
what
type
of
standards
should
we
include.
So
that's
kind
of
that's
kind
of
the
sounding
board's
role.
B
I
want
to
do
a
language
type
check
to
make
sure
we're
using
the
right
terms
houselessness
instead
of
homelessness,
let's
say
I'll
change,
the
charter
to
add
the
additional
public
input
opportunities
and
I'm
going
to
work
on
some
different
ways.
We
can
maybe
do
that
and
come
back
with
some
ideas
make
sure
that
we're
providing
for
managed
camps,
which
I
think
we
are
under
the
outdoor
shelter
use.
B
K
V
V
I
thought
some
of
the
suggestions
about
community
outreach
were
really
really
well
taken,
because
I
think
that
is
super
important,
especially
for
the
members
of
this
board.
It's
you
have
the
power
to
push
back
on
some
of
those
misconceptions
not
to
not
to
name
names,
but,
for
example,
I
was
listening
to
the
nla
meeting
a
few
weeks
ago
and
there
was
a
ton
of
misconceptions
that
aren't
based
in
research
facts.
V
It
was
just
sort
of
anecdotal
what
I
would
call
fear-mongering,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
each
of
the
members
here
to
really
do
the
work
on
pushing
back
on
those
misconceptions
when
you
encounter
them
because,
for
instance,
we
do
have,
I
think,
it's
less
than
15
of
people
that
have
been
in
bend
for
less
than
12
months.
So
it's
the
sort
of
transient
problem
is
not
really
one
that
is
backed
up
by
the
numbers
and
yeah
and
for
just
as
one
example
in
the
nla
meetings.
V
I
know
people
were
like
concerned
about
managed
camps,
increasing
the
risk
of
wildfires,
which
just
seems
a
factual
and
just
more
scare-mongering,
so
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
kind
of
hit
home
that
point
and
thank
everyone,
because
I
thought
there
was
a
lot
of
good
discussion
today.
That's
all
thank
you.
B
U
U
M
K
M
U
Little
to
no
help
from
public
bodies
like
the
city,
I've
been
privileged
to
have
the
opportunity
to
work
with
john
driving
around
the
camps,
doing
trash
collection
and
when
our
neighbors
know
that
somebody's
going
to
come
by
with
a
truck
and
collect
trash,
they're
just
overjoyed
and
more
than
willing
to
collect
that
trash
and
stage
it.
So
somebody
can
put
it
on
a
truck
and
take
it
away.
U
There's
also
an
amazing
proof
of
concept
example
of
restrooms
being
provided
out
at
huntle
road
and
the
residents
themselves
are
showing
that
they
are
more
than
up
to
the
task
of
caring
for
those
porta-potties.
The
porta-potties
on
hunel
have
been
out
for
a
couple
months
now
and
they're
absolutely
spotless.
I
think
was
also
a
couple
months
ago
that
mr
skidmore
spoke
at
a
city
council
meeting
about
how
this
porta-potty
idea
couldn't
work.
But
now
we
have
a
real
world
and
real-time
example
in
play,
showing
that
it
does.
U
These
are
the
source.
It
would
be
really
nice
to
see
the
city
get
involved
in
helping
these
volunteer
groups
with
that
kind
of
immediate
triage
work
like
trash
trash
collection
like
restrooms,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
people
would
be
happy
to
see
those
sorts
of
topics
come
up
in
future
meetings
for
this
group.
So
thank
you
for
your
time.
B
W
You
you
got
it
right.
The
first
time
I
was
very,
very
excited
so
yeah,
my
name
is
matt
puccio
I
have
been
working
to
gather
needs
from
houseless
folks,
I
just
kind
of
go
out
with
my
little
laptop
and
I
say
hi
my
name's
matt.
Do
you
need
anything,
and
it's
mostly
just
like
a
little
bit
of
clothes,
a
little
bit
of
household
goods,
not
a
lot
of
need.
The
only
other
need
is
to
have
police
stop
harassing
people
who
are
otherwise
minding
their
own
business.
I
recognize
that
you
know.
W
There's
like
like.
We've
talked
about
there's
these
misconceptions
about
houses,
folks,
and
I
would
really
really
love
to
work
with
some
of
you,
amazing
people
who
have
raised
so
many
awesome
points
about
like
low
barrier,
and
you
know
you
know
combating
pushback
from
the
community.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
work
done
to
humanize
the
folks
that
are
suffering
due
to
the
failures
of
our
system
like
it's.
It's
not
anybody's,
like
fault
necessarily,
but
just
the
way
that
our
system
is
set
up,
people
drop
out
of
it
and
then
they
are
demonized.
W
W
The
priority
needs
to
be,
people
can
exist
without
being
harassed,
and
I
I'm
so
hopeful
and
thankful
for
all
of
the
work
that
you're
doing,
and
I
look
forward
to
being
along
for
this
ride
and
hopefully
we
can
like
get
people's
stories
amplified
so
that
they
can
not
just
be
seen
as
like
vagrant
criminals.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much.
B
B
K
Could
I
just
say
something
really
quick
to
matt
puccio,
who
was
just
speaking,
I'm
on
the
ben
bulletin's
editorial
advisory
board
and
I
would
love
to
be
able
to
connect
with
you
and
maybe
we
could
put
together
a
column
for
the
bulletin
or
maybe
a
series
of
stories
that
help
humanize
these
folks.
I
think
not.
K
B
D
B
Else
have
anything
for
the
good
of
the
order.
Our
next
meeting
is
in
two
weeks
same
time.
Oh
sorry
about
all
the
emails,
I'm
gonna
be
sent
canceling.
The
team's
meetings
that
I
set
up
and
sending
out
the
zoom
meeting
links
so
you're
going
to
get
a
flood
of
emails.
Sorry
about
that,
but
yeah!
It's
just
the
way
it's
going.
N
B
Okay,
I'll
find
it
and
send
it
out
to
everybody
or
I'll
get
it
sent
out
to
you
guys,
but
it's
tomorrow
it
sounds
like
so
you
have
some
more
time
so
we're
at
let's
see
10
48,
so
good.
I've
made
a
commitment
to
get
these
meetings,
stick
on
the
two-hour
time
slot
so
yeah
and
we
can
even
put
in
a
five-minute
break
next
time.
I
think
so.
Megan
did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add,
or
anyone
else.