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City of Bend Sounding Board to House our Neighbors Meeting for June 9, 2021.
A
Okay,
so
hi
everybody,
I'm
susanna
gilbert
and
thanks
everyone
for
coming
today,
I'm
kind
of
distracted
while
I'm
letting
people
in
to
the
meeting.
We
have
a
few
people
in
the
audience
and
we'll
have
public
comment
towards
the
end,
and
if
you,
if
you
need
a,
if
you
have
a
burning
question,
you
want
to
talk
about
before
go
ahead
and
raise
your
hand,
and
if
we
have
time
we
can
go
ahead
and
go
to
you.
You'll
see
your
hand.
Rights
function
at
the
bottom
of
the
screen.
A
B
I'm
just
so
impressed
by
all
the
work
that's
been
done
so
far,
and
I
don't
want
to
talk
too
long,
because
I
know
that
we
want
to
get
back
to
work.
Last
week
was
a
a
pretty
rough
week.
There
were
some
really
hard
decisions
that
were
were
made
regarding
our
houses
community
and
it's
sort
of
lit
a
fire
under
me
even
more
to
do
as
much
work
as
I
can
and
hopefully,
as
we
all
can,
to
make
sure
that
we
are
doing
everything
we
can
to.
B
E
Yeah
yeah
sorry,
I
had
to
get
to
meet
unmute
that
took
a
second,
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
folks
know
hi
everyone,
I'm
lynn,
mcconnell
the
affordable
housing
manager
for
the
city.
We
are
releasing
this
week,
an
rfq
request
for
qualifications,
which
will
be
a
two-stage
process
in
getting
to
our
navigation
center
operations,
and
so
this
is
intended.
I
felt
like
this
was
a
group
that
could
help
me
get
the
word
out.
It
will
go
to
publication,
we'll
start
circulating
it
widely.
E
You
know
when
that
time
comes,
which
is
hopefully
end
of
this
week,
but
just
to
let
this
group
know
stage,
one
is
really
just
tell
us
what
you
got
community
if
you
have
any
interest
in
either
operating
a
low
barrier,
shelter
or
providing
services
that
could
be
accessory
to
such
a
concept.
Please
submit
something
in
response
to
this
rfq
that
is
first
stage.
It's
not
graded
or
anything
like
that.
We're
just
really
looking
for
a
list
of
all
of
the
providers
who
are
out
there.
E
The
idea
is
that
this
will
become
our
potential
kind
of
quick
strike.
Procurement
list
for
future
needs
around
shelter
and
other
operations.
So
please
please,
please
help
us
get
the
word
out
when
this
is
released.
The
second
stage
of
this
rfq
will
be
then
an
rfp,
and
that
is
where
we
will
identify
a
potential
shelter
operator
for
the
navigation
center
and
sort
of
get
that
all
squared
away,
but
stage
one
is
very
much
open.
Tell
us
what
you
got
tell
us
what
the
gaps
are.
Tell
us
what
we're
missing.
E
What
is
what
should
this
look
like?
What
is
what
are
all
the
provisions
that
we
should
have
in
place
in
order
to
serve
folks
both
who
are
unhoused
and
also
who
are
unstably,
housed
and
need
a
little
assistance
kind
of
retaining
housing?
So
so
please,
let
that
let
your
contacts
know
that
this
is
coming.
E
If
it's
okay,
susan
I'll,
have
you
maybe
send
it
out
to
this
group
once
it's
officially
released
and
we'll
get
it
out
through
all
their
traditional
channels,
but
did
want
to
put
a
plug
in
everybody's
ear
right
now,
we'll
have
informational
meetings.
I
think
the
return
date
for
this
first
phase
is
july,
13th.
So
relatively
quick
turnaround,
but
again
not
graded.
We
just
want
to
know
who's
out
there
and
kind
of
start
creating
our
list
for
opportunities
that
may
arise
in
the
future.
A
Okay,
great
does
anyone
else,
have
any
news
kind
of
related
news
to
share
megan,
and
I
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
okay
and
I'm
getting
a
message
from
anne
arundel?
It's
okay
and
you
can
be
a
panelist
if
you
want
anyhow.
If
anyone
has
news
to
share
regarding
the
houselessness
front,
we
thought
it
might
be
nice
to
to
share
newsworthy
items.
I
know
there's
a
sign
up
for
the
meal
train
for
the
low
barrier,
shelter,
and
I
can
send
that
out
to
the
group
megan.
B
Yeah,
the
the
low
barrier
shelter
for
those
who
who
do
not
know
does
not
have
a
kitchen,
and
so
they
rely
on
volunteers
to
provide
dinners
and
also
to
provide
a
sort
of
a
lunch
breakfast
snack
that
they
that
the
guests
take
with
them
when
they
leave.
I
I
did
it
you'll
see
was
that
yesterday
morning
yesterday
morning-
and
I
was
packing
bags
at
five
in
the
morning
because
they
needed
there
by
like
6
30.,
so
that
one's
a
little
bit
harder
to
do.
B
But
if
you're
an
early
riser
go
for
it
and
if
not,
you
know,
they
obviously
need
gender
help
as
well,
and
it's
really
easy
to
sign
up
online.
I
suggest
getting
together
with
you
know
your
neighbors,
your
friends,
your
co-workers,
whatever
and
choosing
a
day,
it's
kind
of
a
fun
thing
to
do
together,
and
they
really
need
us
as
a
community,
and
I
also
see
kathy's
hand,
is
up
by
the
way.
So
I
want
to
make
sure.
F
Does
that
mean
I
can
talk?
Yes,
okay.
Well,
actually
I
put
my
hand
up
for
a
question
for
lynn,
but
I
also
have
an
updated
infra
piece
of
information,
but
mostly
I
wanted
to
ask
lynn:
is
the
main
issue
funding
and
will
there
be
funding
for
the
rfp
or
where
does
it
come
from?
What's
our
funding
situation
to
try,
because
I
think
that
people
think
why
don't
we
do
this?
F
E
Yeah,
so
in
this
case,
for
the
navigation
center
bend
was
awarded
through
house
bill,
2004,
2.5
million
for
setup
and
operations.
The
goal
here
is
that
something
needs
to
be
operational
as
a
low
barrier,
shelter
by
june
30,
2022
or
that
money
returns
to
the
state.
So
we
just
got
our
contract
yesterday
and
flipped
it
back
to
dash
at
the
state
level,
so
hopefully
we'll
be
receiving
those
funds
in
the
near
term.
E
F
F
Basically,
the
face
face
some
of
the
faces
of
the
homeless,
to
try
to
dispel
some
of
the
misunderstandings
that
the
community
has
of
who
these
people
are
and
put
a
human
face
to
the
issue
and
we're
going
to
have
a
zoom
call
tomorrow
at
2,
and
if
anyone
in
this
group
is
interested
in
finding
out
how
to
join
that,
zoom
call.
Just
let
me
know-
and
I
can
get
that
information
to
you
so
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that's
in
the
works.
A
G
C
A
Okay,
great
okay,
so
with
that,
I
think
we'll
go
ahead
and
officially
start
so.
Today's
agenda
before
I
start
sharing
we're
gonna
first
we'll
go
through
the
minutes
from
last
time
and
then
we're
gonna
review
the
progress
from
last
meeting.
There
were
a
few
folks
absent.
So
I
think
we
wanted
to
go
through
and
review
what
happened
the
last
meeting
and
make
sure
we're
making
changes
that
are
reflective
of
the
group's
desires
and
then
we're
going
to
keep
going
on
the
discussion
of
the
zoning
district
size
and
requirements
and
standards.
A
But
we're
going
to
focus
only
today
on
the
outdoor,
shelter
type
projects
and
I
think
we'll
go
through
the
timeline.
But
we
may
need
to
add
another
meeting
or
two
to
get
through
the
rest
of
it,
but
the
outdoor
shelter
stuff,
because
they're
not
housed
inside
a
building,
elizabeth
and
pauline,
and
I
kind
of
internally
thought
that's,
maybe
where
we
should
focus
today,
just
because
there's
probably
going
to
be
more
concerns
about
those
type
of
sites,
managed
camps
and
tiny
home
villages,
type
things
veterans,
village
than
something
that's
enclosed
and
housed
inside.
A
So
we
thought
we'd
focus
on
that.
Today,
so
let
me
go
ahead
and
share,
and
let's
see
oh
one
last
thing
hans
sent
to
me
this
morning,
the
article
in
the
bulletin,
if
any
of
you
saw
it
on
seattle's
houselessness
plans
to
do
sort
of
a
village
of
600
sites,
it's
kind
of
an
interesting
article,
so
just
fyi.
You
could
check
that
out
if
you
have
a
have
a
chance.
So
here
we
are
we're
at
meeting
five,
and
I
just
went
over
what
we're
gonna
talk
about
today.
A
We
still
need
to
discuss
rvs
as
a
temporary
use
or
a
more
permanent
type
use
for
family
members
or
folks
that
might
need
to
host
somebody
on
their
property
or
in
their
driveway,
and
then
I'll
have
some
draft
community
input
story,
map
type
concepts
to
review
with
you
by
then
which
kathy?
Actually,
your
your
your
news
about
the
the
pictures
would
be
really
helpful,
so
I'll
probably
try
and
sit
in
tomorrow
on
that
at
two
o'clock,
because
that's
a
type
of
thing
we
want
to
portray
on
the
story
map.
A
A
We
still
need
to
do
some
work
on
our
end
for
crafting
the
code
language
and
a
pretty
in
a
more
of
a
draft
form
that
people
can
actually
respond
to
so
we're
working
through
how
we're
going
to
do
that
and
tie
it
into
an
education
type,
sort
of
effort,
and
so
council's
also
taking
a
couple
meetings
off.
I
think
in
the
summer,
and
so
this
will
allow
us
to
come
back
in
when
they're
reconvening.
A
A
So
from
last
meeting,
we've
revised
the
definitions
which
I'll
show
we've
provided
some
recommendations
on
restroom
and
screening,
which
we'll
talk
about
and
then
screening
for
trash
as
well.
We
have
some
information
on
the
review
process.
If
you
remember
from
last
time,
we
talked
about
whether
these
type
of
applications
should
be
a
type
one
or
a
type.
2
type
1
is
the
kind
of
the
minimal
review
process.
Type
2
is
noticing
the
neighbors
and
going
through
more
of
a
land
use
process.
A
A
Basically,
our
development
code
requires
that
site
speed
paved
not
graveled
and
that
a
certain
amount,
if
you're
doing
like
a
parking
lot,
you
can
use
things
like
grass
creek
or
which
is
like
the
concrete
pavers
with
the
grass
coming
up
things
like
that,
but
things
cannot
be
graveled
and
some
of
the
ada
spots
need
to
be
improved.
So
we
can
talk
about
that.
We
do
have
some
safe
parking
applications,
the
nativity
lucerne
church
and
don's
house
don's
house
is
graveled.
A
So
if
somebody
wanted
you
know
to
vary
from
the
standards,
I
think
we
could
figure
out
how
to
how
to
do
that.
They
did
not
go
through
a
site
plan
review
they're
under
our
safe
parking
program,
which
is
allowed
through
the
municipal
code,
so
clear
as
mud
I
know,
but
those
are
our
parking
standards.
So
so,
just
following
up
from
last
meeting,
we
changed
the
definitions.
A
A
A
shelter
means
a
location
for
overnight
accommodation
of
people
who
lack
permanent
housing,
a
shelter
may
be
permanent
or
temporary,
and
we
realize
we
need
to
probably
define
what
that
means
permanent
or
temporary
and
is
either
an
outdoor
shelter,
a
group,
shelter
or
a
transitional
shelter,
and
we've
we're
going
to
revise
the
code
language
to
put
that
definition
up
at
the
top.
If
you
remember
we'd
had
it
down
lower
and
we
need
to
probably
put
it
up
at
the
top.
So
we'll
come
back
to
you
with
that.
A
H
A
Okay,
I
think
we're
okay
on
that
one:
okay,
multi-room
shelter.
So
if
you
recall,
we
had
that
this
is
the
project,
turnkey
concept,
bethlehem
concept
and
we've
been
calling
it
a
transitional
shelter
which
was
confusing
because
of
temporary
permanent
transitional,
like
what
does
that
mean,
so
the
group
recommended
last
time
we
use
multi-room.
A
A
Let's
see
some
head
nodding:
okay,
okay,
great
and
then
finally,
the
outdoor
shelter,
which
means
the
site
on
which
multiple
mobile
or
permanent
units
are
placed
for
use
as
a
shelter,
sound,
okay,
okay,
yay
all
right.
So
I
think
we
were
in
agreement
on
that
perfect.
Okay,
so
just
wanted
to
review.
We've
you've
seen
this
information
before,
but
just
before.
We
get
into
talking
about
specifically
outdoor
shelter.
A
Examples
just
wanted
to
review
with
you
things
that
we've
looked
at
before
and
do
a
kind
of
a
comparison
of
size,
so
group
shelters,
we've
got
the
low
barrier,
shelter
at
70
beds,
shepherds
houses,
30
beds,
bethlehem
inn
is
a
multi-room
shelter.
It's
148
beds.
I
you
know.
I
want
to
check
whether
that's
no
it
is
beds
with
varying
room
sizes,
so
some
for
families,
some
for
individuals,
redmond
project
turnkey
project,
is
25
rooms
and
then
most
of
the
other
project.
A
A
I
Also,
a
multi-room
shelter.
We
didn't
put
this
on
the
list,
but
it
could
be
one
of
the
smaller
examples.
You
know
that
sort
of
look
on
the
outside,
like
a
single
family
home,
but
each
of
the
bedrooms
are
used
as
shelters,
so
those
I
think,
there's
a
few
examples
around
town
and
four
bedrooms
or
five
or
six
bedrooms,
so
they
could
range
from
a
hotel
or
motel
sized
down
to
a
single
family,
sized
multi-room
shelter.
Just
as
long
as
there's
individual
bedrooms.
J
I
I
I
haven't
looked
at
cascade
using
family,
but
temporary
housing
sort
of
the
code
provision
we're
looking
at
updating
right
here
is
is
what
at
least
some
of
them
were
permitted
under,
and
some
of
them
may
even
be
older
and
have
been
permitted
under
older
provisions
of
the
code,
and
so
with
you
know,
code
revisions
over
the
years
and
the
2016
ugb
update.
That
was
a
pretty
big
revision
of
code
and
permitted
uses.
F
F
J
Do
you
know
so?
Well,
I
hate
to
say
something:
I'm
not
positive,
but
I
do
believe
that
number
was
determined
by
the
fire
department
as
well
for
space,
and
we
know
that
realistically
we
have
such
a
high
rate
of
vaccine
hesitancy
among
our
unhoused
populations.
That
I
think
70
beds
would
be
the
max.
I
don't
see
everyone
getting
vaccinated,
but
I
would
have
to
confirm
about
the
fire
inspection
as
well
right
now.
I
know
that
we're
having
approximately
25
people
per
per
night.
F
Okay,
so
the
25
is
for
the
covid
protections
and
it
could
go
up
to
70
for
fire.
I
guess
what
do
these
numbers
mean
in
the
long
run?
Is
it
important?
Does
somebody
come
in
for
and
proposes
a
low
barrier,
shelter
of
more
than
70
beds
doesn't
cause
a
problem.
If
it's
irrelevant,
then
I
don't
care.
I
guess
I'm
just
thinking
that
if
we're
putting
these
numbers
someplace
are
we
just
comparing
this,
isn't
something
that's
going
to
be
codified.
J
A
A
So
we've
got
veterans
village,
which
is
15
sites
with
a
community
building
the
micro
village
center,
which
is
10
and
a
community
building,
and
also
a
single
family
residence,
and
I
sent
out
the
powerpoint
to
this
last
night
in
hopes
that
it
might
make
more
sense
to
you
if
you
could
look
at
it,
so
we'll
be
looking
at
those
a
little
more
closely.
But
just
one
question
that
came
up
last
time
was
on
these
outdoor
shelter
sites.
A
Should
we
be
regulating
by
the
number
of
of
units
or
sites
is
confusing
to
call
it
because
we're
calling
them
outdoor
shelter
sites,
but
the
individual
like
campsites
or
building
pads?
Should
we
be
limiting
it
by
zoning
district
by
the
number
of
building
pads
or
sites
or
units,
or
should
we
be
looking
at
it
based
on
the
square
footage
of
the
site
and
then
putting
in
some
sort
of
ratio
like
500
square
feet
per
site?
A
And
so
that
came
up
last
time
and
I
thought
we
thought
it
would
be
useful
to
go
through
some
of
our
existing
ones
and
talk
to
you
about
that
and
just
kind
of
do
a
reality
check
on
how
many
units
you
really
can
fit
on
one
of
these
sites,
and
then
eric
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
his
veterans.
Village
experience.
A
A
No,
I
don't
you
did
you
got
it?
Okay,
thanks.
Okay,
so
here's
our
first
example
and
eric
I'm
gonna
rely
on
you
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
this.
So
this
is
veterans
village.
The
site
is
up
in
north
northeast
or
north
north
part
of
town.
It's
about
an
acre,
0.25,
55,
000
square
feet,
15
units,
the
units
are
about
150
square
feet
and
the
footprint
is
between
four
and
500
square
feet
and
talking
with
eric
they've
got
parking
on
site.
A
A
G
A
A
F
K
A
A
We
were
talking
about
like
when
we
talked
yesterday
about
your
site
and
just
and
I
can
bring
back
up
the
site
plan.
But
just
you
know
it's
a
large
site,
55
000
square
feet
and
once
you
kind
of
take
away
the
setbacks
and
then
the
space
for
the
community
building
and
then
the
requirements
from
the
county
for
certain
things,
and
I'm
not
going
to
remember
what
that
is.
A
A
K
Okay,
so
I'm
out
at
the
site
today,
because
we're
going
vertical,
putting
up
some
walls,
so
that's
heart
of
oregon
over
there
building
some
walls
for
us
and
what
we
got
is
15
cabins
right
now
approved
by
the
county.
You
can
see
the
foundations
there,
it's
in
a
line
and
there's
a
path
between
them
and
they're
fairly
closely
spaced.
I
think,
there's
about
four
foot
offset
to
if
you
called
it
a
lot
line
between
the
two.
K
K
A
K
K
The
community
center
is
there
in
the
center
and
it's
about
2500
square
feet
and
that's
showers,
laundry
kitchen,
common
dining
area,
common
community
area,
four
case
management
offices
and
a
and
a
larger
boardroom.
You
know
for
something
like
you
know,
larger
meetings.
The
village
has
the
council
they
elect
and
so
they're.
They
need
a
meeting
room
for
that
so
anyway,
and
you
can
see
some
parking
spots
there
on
the
right.
There's
eight
shown
on
that
design.
I
think
we
have
about
12
in
reality,
just
the
way
the
actual
layout
worked
out.
K
You
know,
I
think
in
one
acre.
This
is
55
000
seats
a
little
bit
bigger
than
an
acre,
but
an
acre.
You
can
fit
about
25
structures
with
some
nice.
You
know
elbow
room
room
for
some
expansion,
maybe
or
a
community
garden
we're
going
to
have
a
greenhouse
and
the
community
building
and
parking.
I
think
you
know
one
acre:
if
we
just
use
the
math,
probably
20
would
be
the
max.
If
you're
going
to
have
a
community
building
in
parking,
you
can
definitely
fit
more
in
you
know
we
ours
are
12
by
12.
K
You
could
probably
do
a
8x8
structure.
I
mean
that's
very
constrained,
but
that's
about
the
size
of
clackamas
county
kansas
city's
about
their
structure
is
about
20
by
25,
so
500
square
feet
versus
r150
and
clackamas
is
80
square
feet.
So
really
depends
on
what
you're
calling
you
know
the
minimum
footprint
of
a
single
occupancy
and
a
minimum
footprint
of
a
of
a
multi-occupant
structure,
and
then
I
would
add,
you
know
four
feet
all
around
and
maybe
eight
feet
in
front
for
a
pass
and
walkway.
A
No
okay,
let's
go
on
to
the
next
one
and
then
we'll
we'll
come
back
for
a
discussion.
Let
me
just
here
we
go
so
this
is.
This
is
one
of
our
safe
parking
program
approvals,
and
so
this
was
approved
during
the
covet
emergency
order,
and
this
is
dawn's
house
and
it's
over
on
dean,
swift
road-
and
it
is
about
a
third
of
an
acre
site
about
16
000
square
feet.
It's
got
five
rvs,
they
actually
have.
A
This
is
the
manager
unit,
so
in
total
they
have
five
rvs,
and
I
was
kind
of
curious
how
that
related
to
the
500
square
foot
pad-
and
it's
very
similar-
and
so
I
think,
part
of
our
kind
of
struggle
in
coming
up
with
how
many,
whether
we
should
regulate
by
size
of
parcel
or
set
a
number
of
you
know
maximum
sites
per
zoning
district.
It's
like
well.
How
much
should
you
know
a
kind
of
a
good
thumbnail
for
the
pad?
How
much
how
much
room
should
that
take
up?
A
A
D
D
A
Just
for
dawn's
house
comparison,
so
the
rvs
are
pretty
much
self-contained.
They
have
additional
porta
potties
on
site
and
hand
washing
stations,
and
I
could
pull
up
the
decision.
I
can't
remember
how
many
we
required,
but
the
the
property
also
has
setbacks
driveway.
It
has
an
existing
house
here
that
is
empty
and
I
think
eventually,
they're
hoping
to
house
people
in
that
house
and
its
zone
medium
density,
residential
anyone
stacy.
I
know
you're
familiar
with
don's
house.
Do
you
want
to
comment
on
anything?
I've
said
that
might
be
wrong.
Absolutely.
J
J
So
just
the
one
thing
I
would
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
mindful
of
is
we're
we're
concerned
with
density,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
we
have
to
take
in
consideration
that
not
all,
but
but
many
of
our
unhoused
community
members
are
battling
with
numerous
mental
health
conditions.
Ptsd
things
like
that,
and
so
we,
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we're
not
putting
people
like
right
on
top
of
each
other,
because
that
can
be
a
real
trigger
as
a
service
provider.
J
I
love
how
veterans
village
has
started
with
this
15
units
because
it's
really
manageable.
I
think
we
want
to
set
these
programs
up
and
we
want
to
do
them
well.
So
cramming
in
tons
of
people
in
a
small
space
is
just
a
recipe
for
disaster.
I
think-
and
I
think
we
have
to
kind
of
think
too
about
each
other.
Like
if
we
were
going
into
a
a
housing
unit
or
a
site
like
this,
what
would
be
comfortable
for
us
as
well
and
our
unhealth
community
deserves
that
kind
of
thoughtfulness
and
dignity.
J
So
I
would
just
add
those
components-
and
I
know
talking
with
the
pd.
I
can't
speak
for
them,
but
I
know
that
when
you
talk
about
huge
groups
together
from
any
community,
there
is
just
more
risk
of
challenges.
I
know
I'm
running
the
safe
car
parking
over
at
nativity
lutheran
and
we
purposely
limited
those
spaces
over
there
right
now.
L
So
I
guess
I'm
wondering
where
you
parked
that
big
truck
that
towed
a
fifth
wheel.
Beyond
that
I
mean
I'm
just
I'm
suggesting
that
we're.
We
were
talking
under
unintended
consequences.
Potentially
when
we
write
a
number
here,
we
unintentionally
exclude
some
people
that
may
be
fortunate
enough
to
have
a
larger,
rv
or
fifth
wheel.
F
So
I
wanted
to
bring
up
the
idea
of
a
proportion,
as
opposed
to
a
specific
number,
because
I
think
it
does
give
us
or
gives
applicants
a
flexibility
depending
on
how
large
a
site
is,
but
I
did
want
to
mention
as
an
architect.
I
have
acreage
embedded
in
my
brain,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
divide
four
three
five,
six
zero
by
a
thousand
square
feet,
for
instance,
you
get
43
43,
so
you
know
is
43
sites
on
an
acre
too
much.
It
sounds
like
from
what
stacy
is
saying
that
that
is
too
much.
F
F
So
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there
in
terms
of
you
know
getting
a
sense
of
scale.
If
you're
dividing
up
an
acre,
how
many
people
do
you
think
should
be
on
there
yeah?
What
I
would
like
to
see
is
us
not
be
too
restrictive,
so
that
there's
options
when
people
come
forward
that
we're
not
precluding
them
much
as
hans
just
talked
about
about
a
fifth
wheeler,
you
know,
let's,
let's
give
it
enough
structure
that
it's
there
and
it
makes
sense,
but
not
so
much
that
it
excludes
things.
F
G
K
I
would
just
piggyback
on
that
same
thing.
I
was
going
to
plus
one
kathy's
comments
and
you
know
I'm
a
math
guy,
and
so
you
think
about
there's
some
fixed
area
for
community
building
and
parking,
and
then
the
variable
amount
is
well
how
many
you
know
is
it
500
feet
or
or
600
or
300?
You
know
you
can
fit
in
the
rest
of
the
space
and
then
yeah
there's
some
carrying
capacity
of
land.
K
K
You
know
the
community
we're
modeling
after
started
with
15
and
then
expanded
to
25,
and
I
said,
are
you
going
to
go
to
40,
which
was
their
original
goal
and
they
said
that's
just
not
going
to
be
manageable.
You
know,
that's
it's
just
too
big
a
number,
and
so
I
can
concluding
all
these
comments.
Is
you
know
it's
probably
not
you
can't
write
zoning
or
or
code,
that's
a
formula,
but
we
we
talk
about
having
some
flexibility
and
every
time
we
put
a
finite
number
down.
It
limits
the
flexibility.
K
So
there
must
be
some
methodology
where
we
can
say
you
know
these
are
the
guidelines.
You
know
minimum
maximum.
You
know
range
those
types
of
things
so
that
it
gives
you
know
if
you
find
us
if
you
had
a
really
small
parcel
and
you
could
only
carry
four
people
but
it's
you
know
it
doesn't
meet
these
minimums.
M
L
K
Oh,
I
don't
know
anything
about
code,
so
I
just
I
I
was
just
saying
it
seems
like
you
can't,
but
it
would
be
way
better
to
have
those
kinds
of
mechanisms
than
a
finite
number
like
15
or
20
or
12,
or
you
know
80.
it,
because
the
parcel
size
is
going
to
change
right
there.
Every
parcel
is
unique
and,
and
15
is
a
great
number
for
one
acre,
but
it's
a
terrible
neighbor.
Maybe
it's
a
terrible
number
for
a
quarter
acre
or
an
eighth
of
an
acre.
K
I
mean,
I
think
parking
is:
is
ratio
driven,
and
so
I
don't
know
why
sites
couldn't
be
ratio
driven
where
it's
like
a
y
equals
mx
plus
b
b?
Is
your
footprint
for
community
building
and
parking,
which
actually
is
probably
a
variable?
Also,
but
let's
just
say
it's
not
for
the
moment
and
then
you
know
x
is
the
number
of
sites
and
m.
Is
your
ratio
of
you
know
density,
but
not
to
dork
out
on
math?
That's
just
how
I
think
of
it.
H
I
mean
all
good
ideas,
I
think
I
mean
probably
some
type
of
regulation,
so
when
the
planners
have
to
review
what
is
being
proposed,
we
have
something
to
review
it
against
like
and
it
could
be
anything
as
long
as
we
come
up
with
something
that
works
yeah.
I
mean
lots
of
good
ideas,
it's
hard
to
say.
What's
the
best.
H
B
B
I
Just
says
to
look
to
not
create
an
unreasonable
danger
to
health
and
safety.
Essentially
so
so
sites
or
locations
or
shelters
that
are
coming
in
under
2006
are
not
bound
by
the
same
kind
of
paving
standards
that
anything
coming
in
under
the
development
code
is
so
yeah.
That's
how
you
see,
I
think,
we'll
get
to
the
st
vincent
example
that
shows
some
gravel,
where
our
development
code
would
probably
require
pavement,
and
so
anything
coming
in
under
2006
does
not
have
to
comply
with
the
provisions
in
the
development
code.
B
Okay,
because
you
know,
one
of
the
things
that
that
council
is
really
trying
to
move
along
is
is
a
managed
camp
as
as
soon
as
possible,
and
I
would
just
want
to
make
sure
that
as
we're
talking
about
this,
you
know
they're
like
what
medford
is
doing.
Is
you
know
it
was?
It
was
a
state
of
emergency
right
and
they're
saying
we
need
to
get
a
camp
as
soon
as
possible
and
there's
port-a-potties,
there's
no
electricity.
B
You
know
they
just
have
24-hour
staff
and
the
sheriff's
office
provides
breakfast
every
day
for
for
the
camp
for
like
over
100
people,
and
you
know
the
idea
is
we
just
need
to
get
people
in
a
safe
environment,
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
as
we're
doing
this.
If
we're
sort
of
relying
on
this
code,
you
know
we
need
to
think
about
the
fact
that
we
need
to
get
people
in
a
safe
campus
as
as
quickly
as
possible,
and
and
how
can
we
you.
I
That's
correct,
so
applications
for
sites
to
be
developed
under
2006
have
to
be
in
by
july
1
2022,
and
then
they
have
to
open
within
two
years
of
their
approval
date,
but
it's
not
a
for
it's
not
out
there
forever.
So
after
july,
1
2022,
this
is
the
code
that
would
apply
to
further
shelters
the
code
we're
talking
about
today.
K
You
know,
then
you
can
do
things
quickly
and
that's
what
4212
and
I
think
2006
is
doing
if
42
in
a
2006
expires.
You
know
ben
the
city
of
ben's
code,
you
know
it's,
it's
emergency
shelter,
siding
application.
Whatever
you
want
to
call,
it
needs
to
have
the
same
components
that
were
successful
in
getting
things
done
quickly.
K
You
know
under
under
4212
and
potentially
under
2006,
and
that
generally
is
saying
you
use
the
building
code
so
that
we
know
we
have
health
and
safety
taken
care
of
in
basic
design
and
your
shelters
aren't
going
to
blow
in
the
way
in
the
wind
are
not
going
to
collapse
under
snow.
All
of
that
is
handled
under
the
building
code.
K
The
development
code
gets
a
lot
more
complicated
and
I
think
things
like
you
mentioned
the
saint
vincent.
Having
gravel,
we
have
gravel.
You
know
joe
said
we
could
use
gravel
initially,
and
that
is
a
speed
thing,
because
if
you
require
paving,
which
I
heard
to
say
earlier-
that's
that's
just
a
giant
delay.
It's
an
extra
cost,
it's
unnecessary!
K
Yes,
you
can
do
you
can
pave
88
sites,
but
if
speed
is
our
goal
for
outdoor
camps,
the
development
code
is
not
going
to
allow
for
speed
and
you
need
ways
to
mitigate
things,
because
your
building
department
will
make
high
quality
decisions
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
in
the
best
interests
of
the
occupants
that
isn't
really
relevant
to
the
development
code
as
much
it
is
the
building
code.
So
I
think
you
still
have
a
lot.
You
have
every
safety,
you
need
you
just
with
going
through
the
building
department.
K
F
L
Kathy
I
want
to
I
want
to
echo
that
too,
when
I
think
in
terms
of
things
that
the
public
might
push
back
on
gravel
versus
pavement.
I
don't
think
that's
one.
That's
going
to
give
anybody
heartburn
and
and
such
it's
such
a
big
impediment
if
we
can,
if
we
can
find
a
way
to
deal
with
that,
I
agree.
I
think
that's
not
one
that
we
have
to
sell
or
defend,
and
it
really
facilitates
the
whole
process.
N
I
was
wondering
if
there
was,
I
was
wondering
if
there
was
a
way
you
know
we
in
the
code.
We
require
a
certain
number
of
parking
spots
per
development,
and
so
when
we
say
the
word
parking
spots,
then
it
goes
to
the
definition
of
parking
and
the
development
code.
Is
there
a
way
that
we
could
say
we
require
a
certain
number
of
and
just
an
alternate
definition
and
then
within
the
definition
that
alternate
allows
gravel
so.
I
So,
scott,
I
think
you
know
the
way
the
code
and
the
way
these
sort
of
special
sections
of
the
code
work
for
special
uses.
It
says
unless
superseded
under
this
code,
the
standard
provisions,
for
example
for
parking,
would
apply.
So
I
think,
there's
probably
a
way,
and
I
think
we
can
take
your
comments
of
china
balance.
You
know
ada
versus
speed
and
expediency
and
we
could
probably
come
up
as
staff
with
a
proposal
for
you.
I
I
think
there's
some
concern
about
keeping
gravel
back
from
the
paved
roadway
so
that
we're
not
having
gravel
onto
the
right-of-way,
and
so
there
may
be
a
driveway
apron
requirement
and
then
paving
requirements
for
ada
required
spaces,
but
it
sounds
like,
as
staff.
You
know,
you'd
like
us
to
come
up
with
some
examples
or
some
put
some
thought
into
how
to
create
a
separate
standard
that
would
not
require
paving
for
driveway
aisles
or
all
the
parking
spaces
for
these
types
of
uses.
F
And
there's
probably
language
already
elizabeth
with
regard
to
ebas
that
have
that
requirement
for
the
paved
access
driveway
cut,
at
least
in
my
experience.
I've
seen
that
in
various
codes
in
different
cities
that
I've
I've
worked
in.
What
was
that
acronym?
You
said
kathy.
Oh
emergency
vehicle
access,
eva
oftentimes
is
gravel,
especially
like
if
it's
next
to
a
canal
or
something
like
that,
and
usually
there's
just
a
requirement
for
the
driveway
cut
to
be
paved
to
prevent
the
gravel
from
going
into
the
roadway.
A
N
Know
also,
I
think,
if
we
were
able
to
establish
some
sort
of
kind
of
alternate
parking
standards.
I
think
I
think
there's
benefits
that
go
beyond
what
we're
talking
about
here
in
terms
of
seasonal
things,
where
parking
might
be
very
specific.
To
I
mean
I
guess,
don't
we
have
something
in
there
for
parking
for
events
and
things
like
that
that
we
could
draw
from.
N
I
Scott,
what
you're,
probably
thinking
about,
is
actually
under
our
temporary
use
code.
There
are
some
different
standards
for
uses
that
will
last
less
than
a
certain.
You
know
a
few
months
at
a
time,
so
there's
like
a
pop-up
farmer's
market
or
a
farm
stand
or
something
like
that.
Those
are
under
the
temporary
use
code,
and
so
that's
you
know.
The
second
half
of
this
outdoor
shelter
discussion
is:
are
there
even
fewer
requirements
or
even
different
requirements
for
a
shelter
that
might
operate
only
for
a
portion
of
the
year?
I
And
so
I
think
right
now
we're
talking
about
an
outdoor
shelter
site
that
would
open
permanently
and
then
we
can
also
get
into.
Are
there
different
standards
that
you
might
want
to
talk
about
for
a
shelter
that
would
only
be
open
for
six
months
and
then
would
close.
So
that's
the
second
half
of
this
discussion.
K
J
And
then
just
really
quickly
going
back
to
the
occupancy.
I
just
think
we
have
to
be
careful
the
language
because,
for
instance,
at
safe
car
parking,
we
don't
say
how
many
people
we
say
how
many
vehicles
and
at
dawn's
house
each
unit
may
have
more
obviously
more
than
one
person,
because
they're
they're
catered
towards
families.
So
it
might
mean
that
we
put
in
some
code
that
says
we
can
have
x
amount
or
the
maximum
of
x
amount
of
units
or
sites
per
acre.
I
know
campgrounds
I
was
reading
a
little
bit.
J
Are,
I
think,
they're
50
by
50
required
at
campgrounds,
which
is
a
huge
area.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
that's
like
2500
square
feet,
but
I
think
really
listening
and
with
eric's
guidance
on
the
veterans
village.
You
have
a
visual
of
what
that
kind
of
500
feet
looks
like
so
I
don't
know
just
it's
hard
to
come
up,
but
maybe
we
come
up
with
a
maximum
per
acre.
A
Okay,
anything
else
on
that
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
again
and
we've
got
the
one
last
project
to
look
at
which
is
just
being
reviewed
right
now,
and
that
was
another
one
that
was
reviewed
just
the
same
as
veterans
village,
so
the
house
bill
4212,
and
so
it's
like
a
super
sighting
bill,
which
is
essentially
what
house
bill.
2006
gonna
is
gonna,
allow
us
to
do
in
this
next
year.
So
from
now,
until
the
next
year.
A
A
E
I
think
one
of
the
critical
differences
between
this
and
veterans
village
is
that
the
st
vincent
de
paul
sort
of
operations
center
is
adjacent
to
these
parcels
and
so
just
off
the
map
to
the
north.
So
they
have
been
exit
operating
some
rental
units
for
a
number
of
years
and
they
have
their
offices
right
there.
So
there's
a
little
bit
less
need
for
sort
of
that
community
space
in
this
facility,
because
that
exists
off
these
parcels
than
there
was
in
veterans
village
where
it
had
to
be
brought
in.
I
D
D
A
H
H
How
many
units
would
we
say
is
a
maximum,
or
do
we
even
say
that
and
just
let
the
standards
regulate
that.
So
I
think
that's
where
suzanne
is
saying:
do
we
want
to
just
say
you
have
a
minimum
lot
size
and
then
we
use
the
standards
to
regulate
or
do
we
not
care
about
minimum
lot
size
and
just
say
the
number
of
units
that
can
be
on
each
slot
or
both.
N
But
there
was
concern
that,
if
that
that
might
have
a
cascading
effect
and-
and
you
know,
then
it
then
it
makes
okay,
all
the
all
the
shelters,
get
relegated
to
the
east
side
or
neighborhoods
can
kind
of.
I
don't
know
it's
just
it
just
can
kind
of
create
a
homogenous
area
of
the
city
and
that's
something
that
we,
you
know:
houseless
populations,
uber
rich
populations.
N
N
L
Scott,
your
comment
goes
goes
to.
I
think,
the
concern
that
we
might
have
you
know
one
facility
after
another
facility
after
another
facility
and
just
a
long
row
of
these,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
go
around
that
necessarily.
Certainly
when
we
look
at
str's,
we
say:
oh
well,
no,
no
closer
than
250
feet,
and
yet
the
pushback
comes
from
well.
L
That
means
I
could
have
10
in
this
neighborhood
or
I
could
have
six
in
this
neighborhood
and
I
don't
know
if
not
to
exceed
language
has
any
place
in
code,
but
somewhere
in
here
we
want
to
control.
We
want
to
be
sure
it's
successful
by
not
making
the
sites
too
dense.
I
like
the
idea
of
using
the
same
lot
sizes
that
we
have
in
code.
F
E
So
bend
has
two
named
census,
tracts
by
hud
that
are
low
income.
I
anticipate
as
soon
as
we
get
the
census
data.
Those
will
change,
because
those
are
the
central
area
and
corpine,
which
is
the
old
mill.
So
currently
that's
what
we're
working
with.
If
this
group
determined
that
all
low-income
housing
should
be
funneled
to
those
two
census,
tracts
we'd
probably
be
in
trouble.
E
So
that's
that's
sort
of
a
clear
black
and
white
in
my
opinion,
beyond
that,
I
would
say
we
definitely
do
want
to
be
aware
of
sort
of
all
of
these
considerations
and
that
we're
not
saying
oh,
they
can
only
go
you
know
in
northeast
or
oh,
they
can
only
go
in
rh.
You
know
something
that's
going
to
be
really
really
hard
to
attain.
I'd,
say
beyond
that
and
I'm
gonna
let
elizabeth
jump
in,
because
I
can
only
imagine
what
she's
about
to
say
beyond
that.
E
I
think
that
it
gets
a
little
more
technical
and
a
little
bit
more
analytic
I'll
say
in
terms
of
how
we're
analyzing
things.
But
I
do.
I
think
that
the
conversation
that
you
all
are
having
is
super
appropriate
and
to
keep
it
spread
out,
if
possible,
to
not
try
to
limit
it.
You
know
to
just
third
street
or
just
any
any
place
in
town
and
the
awareness
that
I'd
like
to
put
forward
is
that
I
believe-
and
please
correct
me,
pauline
or
others.
E
If
I
have
this
if
wrong
right
now,
single-family
zoning
districts
in
bend
are
something
like
80
of
our
residential
area.
So
keep
that
in
mind.
I
know
that
there
is
huge
pressure
from
neighbors
to
not
have
things
in
our
rs
zone
that
looked
like
homelessness
or
houselessness
in
any
way,
but
that
is
a
vast
majority
of
the
abil,
the
residential
districts
that
we
have
available
in
bed.
So
just
do
keep
that
in
mind.
Compatibility
is
an
issue,
and
I
understand
that
completely
yeah
I'll.
Stop
there.
I
F
I
So
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
the
code,
probably
a
reference
to
council
goals.
We
do
have
findings
when
we
adopt
ordinances
that
say
sort
of
what's
the
basis
for
these
regulations
that
are
being
adopted,
the
place
for
sort
of
descriptive
language
in
the
code
in
sort
of
for
our
zoning
districts
is
what's
trying
to
be
achieved
by
the
standards
in
the
zoning
district
and
I'm
not
pauline
or
call
and
step
in.
I'm
not
sure.
We
have
purpose
statements
under
other
types
of
standards
in
the
code
for.
H
C
I
F
Elizabeth,
I
have
a
follow-up
question
on
that.
I've
gotten
emails
from
people
saying
something
to
the
effect
that
well,
if
the
hoa
hasn't
been
active
for
many
years,
there's
no
way
to
enforce
ccnars
so
that
they
can
just
be
basically
ignored.
And
I
don't
think
that's
really
true,
but
I
don't
know
because
I'm
not
a
lawyer.
So
could
you
answer
that.
I
Well,
it
is
true
that
ccnrs
are
a
private
contract
between
the
property
owners
in
a
particular
location.
So
it's
a
private
right
of
action
to
enforce,
to
remove
ccnrs
you
have
to
go
through
whatever
process
is
in
the
recorded
document
to
actually
remove
them
and
typically
that'll,
probably
be
a
vote
of
75
or
more
of
the
people
or
the
property
owners
in
an
area.
I
I
F
Thank
you
and
thanks
barb
for
bringing
that
up,
because
it
is
an
issue
like
where
we
have
a
lot
of
larger
lots
in
the
old
farm
district,
where
you
know
they
were
in
the
county
and
then
brought
into
the
city
and
those
are
the
ones
that
might
be
large
enough
to
do
something
like
this.
But
if
there's
ccnrs
that
prevent
it,
what
can
we
really
do?
F
N
N
You
know
they
were
corralling
a
certain
population,
a
certain
area
and
I'm
kind
of
wondering.
Is
there
a
way
that
maybe,
on
future
proposed
master
plans
that
there's
a
certain
percent
that
they
have
land
that
they
could
set
aside
and
say
that
this
would
be
for
a
houseless
population
or
facilities
like
this?
Is
that
is
that
something
that
could
be
possible?
Looking
at
like
pauline.
M
So
we
don't
have
inclusionary
zoning,
which
requires
developers
to
dedicate
a
certain
amount
of
property
towards
affordable
housing
or
other
types
of
housing
that
they
don't
want
to
do
other
than
we
do
have
some
policies
in
the
comprehensive
plan
for
expansion,
areas
that
do
require
a
certain
amount
of
affordable
housing
in
in
the
form
of
the
units
to
be
constructed,
along
with
the
with
the
master
planning.
But
those
were
sort
of
put
on
these
properties
that
wanted
to
come
into
the
the
urban
growth
boundary
and
the
and
the
owners
agreed
to
those
policies.
N
M
I
So
until
recently,
in
that
kind
of
inclusionary
zoning
that
required
certain
inclusion
of
units
at
a
certain
price
level
was
actually
not
allowed
in
oregon.
There
is
a
limited
allowance
for
mandatory
inclusionary
zoning,
and
what
colin
is
talking
about
is
sort
of
this
voluntary
inclusionary
zoning,
for
when
certain
areas
wanted
to
come
in
into
the
ugb.
I
They
worked
with
the
city
and
agreed
to
have
a
certain
number
of
units
at
certain
income
levels,
but
that's
not
something
that
is
imposed
from
the
city
on
the
property
owners
as
something
that
was
an
agreement
between
the
property
owners
and
the
city.
So
inclusionary
zoning
is
a
large
hand
of
worms.
I
would
say
that
has
a
lot
of
arguments
on
either
side
about
how
to
get
there
and
what
it
accomplishes.
I
A
Anyone
else
have
any
more
comments
or
questions
about
that
type
of
stuff.
I
wanted
to
go
back
and
share
the
table.
We
looked
at
that
had
the
zoning
districts
and
the
number
of
sites,
and
maybe
now
that
we've
kind
of
seen
the
examples
and
talked
through
some
concepts
go
back
and
see
if
we
can
maybe
get
some
more
guidance
on
on
those
anyone
else
have
anything
to
add.
Before.
A
A
A
I
thought
maybe
what
we
could
do
is
is
kind
of
fill
this
out
and
see
what
it
looks
like.
So
this
would
be
assuming
a
certain
amount
of
space
per
unit.
So,
as
kathy
was
talking
about,
maybe
a
thousand
square
square
feet
veterans,
village,
dawn's
house,
both
provide
about
500
square
feet
per
unit
or
pad,
and
then
saint
vincent's
is
a
little
smaller,
because
they've
got
smaller
units
and
kind
of
a
different
model.
H
I
F
F
K
F
A
K
Make
sure
we're
yeah,
we
need
to
either
talk
about
overall
square
footage
or
pad
square
footage,
and
I
think
it's
better
if
we
talk
about
pad
square
footage,
because
the
saint
vince
is
a
perfect
example
where
they
have
off-site
case
management
made
right
next
door,
but
still
it's
off-site
case
management,
so
the
thousand
square
foot
per
unit
would
would
blow
out
st
benson,
but
it's
clearly
a
good
project
and
it
would
clearly
work.
So
I
would
again
suggest
that
we
try
to
constrain
each
component
of
the
system
versus
the
overall
system.
K
L
Yeah,
just
thinking
about
your
your
matrix,
if
you
will
that
slide
where,
if
we
were
to
drop
in,
for
instance,
4
000
square
feet
for
rs,
just
I
mean
we
all
understand
the
math,
but
if
it's
a
thousand
feet
that
would
make
four
sites
four
spaces
maximum.
If
it
were
minimum
space.
For
I
assume
that
space
per
unit
foot
is
I'm
going
to
infer
that
that's
a
minimum
so
that
we
don't
get
overly
dense.
L
L
And
I
don't
know
the
number
I'm
just
reminding
us
that
if
we
put
it
in
terms
of
as
soon
as
we
put
lot
size
in
there
space
per
unit
foot,
we
should
be
able
to
to
zero
in
on
an
appropriate
number.
And
it's
probably
not
more
than
a
thousand.
It's
probably
not
less
than
500.
But
I'm
just
trying
to
give
us
some
guidance
to
see
if
we
can't,
based
on
all
the
other
things
that
we've
mentioned,
come
up
with
a
number
that
at
least
tentatively
makes
sense.
H
Right
hanson,
I
think,
as
you
start
looking
at
the
different
zones,
you
know
maybe
the
rl's
a
thousand
and
you
just
start
going
to
smaller
numbers
as
you
increase
as
the
zones
increase
in
density,
so
rl
being
our
lowest
density
and
10
000
square
foot
lots.
Maybe
I'm
not
suggesting
any
numbers.
It's
just
an
example.
You
do
a
thousand
for
rl
4
000
is
a
little
bit
higher
density
zone.
So
maybe
you
do
750.
I
don't
know
what
the
number
is,
but
you.
L
K
Well,
yeah,
I
I
still
would
counsel
against
something
like
a
thousand,
because
that
included
500
square
feet
of
overhead
for
parking.
If
you
have
a
4,
000
square
foot
lot
and
no
case
management,
I
mean
the
rest
area,
the
rest
stops.
They
have
in
eugene
lots
of
these
models.
These
outdoor
camps
don't
have
case
management
on
site.
K
L
Finding
the
right
number
is
a
challenge,
but
just
a
comment
that
we
we
have
several
times
here.
We've
mentioned
fire
and
we
don't
have
anyone,
that's
here,
to
give
us
guidance
on
some
of
the
requirements
in
terms
of
fire
requirements,
just
something
for
us
to
think
about
going
forward.
But
I
I
agree.
I
don't
know
what
the
magic
number
is
so
somewhere
in
here.
There's,
there's
kind
of
a
push
and
a
pull
to
find
that
perfect
number
and
we
won't
find
a
perfect
number
but
we'll
find
an
appropriate
number.
C
K
Yeah,
I
am
saying
that
it's
it's
an
example
of
you
know,
maybe
an
emergency
short-term
solution,
but
they
are
you
know
six
months
and
there
might
be
you
know,
60
or
60
or
80
square
foot
units
with
maybe
one
foot
offset
between
each
other
and
I
don't
think
that's
a
great
long-term
solution.
It's
not
even
the
best
short-term
solution,
but
it's
way
better
than
saying
you
can't
do
anything
and
you
have
to
live
in
the
woods
right.
So.
C
K
K
K
C
K
G
K
But
then
emergency
dictates
a
little
bit
different
things
I
mean
back
in
the
early
days.
We
were
talking
about
porta-potties
gravel,
you
know,
but
still
meeting
fire
code
still
meeting.
You
know
health
and
safety
requirements
and
the
density
you
know
is
triple
what
we
actually
have
now
you
know
so
so
I
I
you
know
you
could
do
research
on
how
many
times
you
need
case
management,
but
there
I
think
that
the
the
state-of-the-art
programs
have
case
management
and
that's
what
actually
solves
the
house
of
this
issue.
G
H
I'm
going
to
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
susanna
and
elizabeth,
but
what
we're
talking
about
in
this
particular
section
is
permanent
outdoor
shelters
and
once
we
get
through
the
three
different
types
of
permanent
shelters,
then
we're
going
to
talk
about
temporary,
more
like
the
emergency
shelters
requirements.
So
we'll
have
a
separate
section.
I
believe
for
what
eric's
talking
about
like
there's
emergency
situation
and
we're
not
gonna.
H
G
F
F
You
know
parking
community
building,
whatever
maybe
there's
no
limit
on
that
size,
but
that
there's
a
minimum
for
each
little
spot
the
site
and
eric
was
saying
that
he
thought
in
a
acre.
You
could
have
10
people
so
that
would
be
400
square
feet.
I
mean
not
an
acre.
Excuse
me,
a
4,
000
square
foot
lot.
He
was
saying
10
people
could
fit
there
and
that
would
be
400
square
feet
per
site.
I
don't
know
eric.
If
that's
what
you
were
thinking
or
not,.
K
Yeah
I
mean
it
was
an
example
with
nice
round
numbers,
but
yeah
400
is
still
a
large
sleep
sleeping
structure
and
you
could
probably
still
fit
a
toilet
and
a
sink
in
it.
That's
not
necessary,
but
but
yeah
400
seems
to
me
from
the
design
and
talking
to
neighbors
and
thinking
about
the
density
and
the
services
side.
K
K
So
if
we
design
out
the
parking
and
design
out
the
case
manage
the
the
on-site
management
because
they're
already
in
a
different
part
of
our
code
and
we're
just
talking
about
the
density
of
the
units,
now
I
think
we're
just
going
to
get
closer
to
you
know
a
good
minimum,
but
not
that
that
doesn't
have
excess
overhead.
That
constrained
project
would
otherwise
work
without
that
overhead.
F
As
you
were
also
talking
about
the
fact
that
our
building
code
is
going
to
apply
in
terms
of
safety,
fire
safety
and
so
a
minimum
of
six
feet
between
structures
in
order
to
meet
that
requirement,
so
if
you
said
400
square
feet,
then
there's
going
to
be
that
three
foot
in
either
on
all
around
probably
would
still
give
you
the
size
unit.
That's
functional,
I
don't
know.
I
don't
think
that
there's.
N
F
N
L
Scott,
I
I
have
my
hand
up
for
a
while.
To
make
that
point,
I
wondered
if
all
the
work
we
did
on
micro
units
wouldn't
help
us
on
some
of
these
numbers.
When
we
looked
at
how
many
units
with
a
kitchen
or
how
many
square
feet,
a
micro
unit
can
be
as
small
as
150
feet,
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
a
number,
but
maybe
there's
some
value
in
looking
at
the
work
that
was
done
on
micro
units
and
certainly
we
got
to
an
acceptance
point
on
micro
units.
N
Yeah-
and
I
was
kind
of
wondering
about
the
comment
of
you
know,
once
you
hit
a
certain
number
of
units,
maybe
then
you
do
require
some
sort
of
on-site
facilities
again,
I
don't
want
to
be
too
restrictive,
but
you
know
if
we
say
if
we
just
say
400
units
400
square
feet
per
unit
and
you
have
a
property
that
could
fit
200
units
on
it.
You
know
we
want
to
also
then
require
at
that.
You
know
at
some
point
we
have
on-site
management
or,
or
you
know,
on-site
facilities.
C
D
C
A
Thanks
and
I
think
what
we
could
do
between
now
and
next
meeting
is
sort
of
we
maybe
get
your
input,
I
like
the
400
square
feet
per
pad,
or
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
site,
but
campsite
or
whatever,
and
then
do
some
math
based
on
different
lot
sizes
and
maybe
get
that
back
to
you
like
how
many
units
that
would
be
and
another
way
around.
This
is
to
put
a
maximum
number
of
shelter
units
by
zoning
districts
so
in
the
lower
density
residential.
A
This
is
where
we
kind
of
had
started
first
and
I
think
some
of
the
other
cities
we've
looked
at
have
done
this
as
well.
You
know
there's
a
maximum
of
of
15.,
I
mean
I
know
we
don't
want
to
make
something.
You
know
if
somebody
has
16
units,
you
know
that's
like
make
it.
You
know
impossible
to
do,
but
maybe
it's
maybe
it's.
You
have
to
provide
this
much
square
feet
per
pad
with
a
maximum
of
of
15
units
or
a
maximum
of
20
units.
A
If
we
want
to
go
the
higher
and
then
it
grows
based
on
the
density
of
the
zoning
district
or
the
type
of
uses
allowed,
so
that's
something
I
don't
know
we
if
you
wanted
to
provide
us
guidance
right
now
on
something
like
this.
We
could
go
back
and
do
some
math
and
figure
out
what
would
that
would
actually
mean
as
far
as
density
goes.
J
J
It
is
a
really
unique
region
from
anywhere
I've
ever
lived
before
with
our
unhoused
community
members,
but
this
gives
people
options
and
it
does
provide
spaces
for
people.
So
I
think
we
keep
going
down
that
road.
I
just
always
like
to
remind
people
of
the
mindset
of
those
that
are
living
outside
that
they
would
prefer
many
to
live
outside
than
to
come
into
a
500
or
1000
square
foot
space.
So
just
so
we're
kind
of
thinking
about
that
in
the
back
of
our
minds.
A
Okay,
does
anyone
else
have
any
any
comments
before
I
move
on
we're
at
10
42?
I
think
what
we
could
do
just
based
on
that
400
square
foot
per
pad
guidance.
We
could
probably
fill
in
the
rest
of
this
table
and
do
some
math
and
schematics
and
get
you
some
information
on
that
to
see
what
these
look
like.
F
I
I
appreciate
your
approach,
I'm
concerned
about
having
maximum
numbers
at
all.
I
think
that
if
we
could
have
the
lot
size
and
the
space
per
pad
and
all
the
setbacks
and
fire
access
and
parking
issues
dictate
that
we
don't
really
need
a
maximum
number,
but
you
know
I
I
I
appreciate
if
there's
a
concern
from
neighborhood
groups
and
so
forth,
this
could
get
out
of
hand,
but
I'd
like
to
first
see
where
what
the
numbers
come
out
to
with
just
using
the
the
proportion
and
the
setbacks.
C
D
Also
think
it
supports
the
operational
standpoint,
but
maybe
that's
the
management
side
where
it
kicks
in
at
a
certain.
I
could
get
around
that
if
there
was
the
management
piece
at
a
certain
density
that
then
that
came
in
so
I
guess
it's.
There
could
be
a
combination
of
things
that
alleviate
both
of
those.
N
N
Or
you
have
a
square
foot
per
unit
for
pad
and
then
maybe,
if
you
hit
a
certain
number
of
those,
then
you
have
to
have
then
there's
some
on-site
management
requirement
requirements
or
something.
And
then
you
just
have
a
maximum
number
that
probably
wouldn't
be
reached,
but
at
least
hits
it's
reassuring,
because
someone
will
see
unlimited
and
they'll
just
envision
a
thousand
people
next
door
to
them,
sleeping
in
tents
on
top
of
each
other.
F
L
Me
just
wonder
to
scott's
point
and
to
kathy's
point
and
also
to
barb's
point.
I
really
appreciate
the
idea
of
a
maximum
number,
but
when
we're
talking
minimum
lot
size
we
could
have
a
20
000
foot
rl
and
if
we
said
20
max,
that's
a
missed
opportunity.
So
I
have
to
say
that
there's
a
balancing
act
here.
H
H
K
A
Okay,
so
I
think
I
think
we
have
some
direction
there
for
next
time
and
it's
10
46
and
I
realized
we
didn't
get
to
approval
of
the
minutes,
and
then
I
also
just
wanted
to
share
real
quick
on
friday,
we'll
be
going
to
the
community
building
subcommittee.
So
that
is
a
small
subcommittee
of
council.
It's
barb
campbell,
thank
you,
councillor,
campbell,
melanie
kiebler
and
rita
shenkelberg,
and
anyone
can
attend
the
links
on
the
city's
website.
A
But
the
two
items
are
going
to
be
parking
minimums
to
have
a
discussion
of
whether
that's
if
we
have
the
resources
in-house
to
take
that
on
at
this
point
and
then
also
the
the
work
of
this
body,
and
so
I'm
going
to
be
getting
together
a
quick
turnaround
of
kind
of
where
we
are
and
be
sharing
our
progress
so
far
with
with
them.
So
I
might
have
some
info
to
share
as
we
come
back.
They
might
have
some
ideas
on
this.
A
N
A
N
N
A
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
before
I
forget,
so
why
don't?
This
is
all
great
I
mean,
I
think
it's
really
good
discussion.
Of
course
you
know
we
want
to
be
able
to
like
fill
this
out
and
get
move
on
to
the
next
thing,
but
I
think
it'll
be
really
good
to
do
some
kind
of
schematics
of
what
400
square
feet
would
look
like
and
then
maybe
do
a
reality
check
on
the
number
of
lots
we've
got
out
there.
A
I
don't
know
if
I
can
work
with
our
gis
department
to
do
this,
but
to
kind
of
figure
out
like
how
many
of
these
would
we
really
see
just
based
on
our
availability
of
lots
and
our
vacancy
and
our
pricing,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
know
eric
spent
a
long
time
with
finding
a
site
for
veterans
village.
So
finding
land
is
probably
our
hardest
thing
to
come
by
and
in
terms
of
surplus,
not
surplus
property
but
property.
A
C
C
F
G
A
F
K
L
A
A
L
A
F
L
A
Type
ones,
type
twos
type
thing
just
so
you
can
see
so
just
something
to
think
about
for
next
time.
Can
everyone
see
the
screen?
Something
strange
has
kind
of
happened
to
my
screen,
so
here
we
go
so
type.
One
is
no
public
notice,
so
it's
a
real
minimal
application
and
pauline,
maybe
you
can
chime
in
if
I'm
missing
something
only
the
applicant
can
appeal
so
there
there
needs
to
be
really
clear
and
objective
standards.
A
Rough
fee
comparison.
You
can
see
it's
around
800
to
about
a
1100,
there's
also
surcharges,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
don't
want
to
get
in
trouble
by
saying
this
is
the
exact
price,
because
it's
probably
going
to
be
a
little
bit
higher
and
then
type
2
is
where
the
neighbors
are
noticed
within
250
feet
of
the
property.
There
are
provisions
that
would
increase
that
to
400
feet
or
larger.
A
It
goes
to
the
applicable
neighborhood
association
and
notice
is
posted
on
site.
It
can
be
appealed
by
not
only
the
applicant
but
the
adjacent
property
owners.
Anybody
who
is
a
party
to
the
decision,
so
a
site
plan
for
a
new
use
with
no
building.
So
this
is
a
little
bit
gray
area.
So,
if
you're
doing
a
community
building,
you
would
probably
be
bumped
into
this
higher
base
fee.
A
If
you
are
not
doing
a
community
building
and
it's
more
like
tent
structures,
campgrounds,
it's
substantially
less.
Of
course
we
have
methods
for
for
fee
waivers,
not
waivers,
but
fee
supplements
through
the
affordable
housing,
advisory
committee
and
methods
like
that
that
we
could
talk
about,
but
it
is
something
to
think
about
so
a
little
more
more
expensive
if
you're
building
a
structure.
F
A
I
So
and
I'll
look
to
colin
as
well,
if
he
has
anything
to
add,
I
think
you
know
the
process
for
appeal.
If
you
are
a
party
which
means
you
have
commented,
you
know
into
the
record
on
a
particular
application
and
you
think
the
decision
maker
has
made
a
mistake
or
you
want
to
challenge
on
any
particular
issue.
F
F
F
At
the
same
time,
I
see
that
different
because
of
the
weird
shape
parcels
that
are
available
and
and
the
the
awkwardness
of
of
how
to
design
them
we're
going
to
need
some
flexibility
in
the
approval.
So
it's
like,
I
like
the
approval,
but
I
don't
like
the
appeal-
and
I
don't
know
what
the
answer
is
for
that.
K
F
So,
from
from
pauline's
point
of
view
in
terms
of
processing,
something
through
type
1
versus
type
2,
do
we
need
tighter
regulations
that
people
can
follow
you're,
not
in
your
head?
Yes,
so
I
guess
that's
just
something
for
us
to
consider
as
we
move
forward,
because
it
initially,
I
thought
oh
flexibility,
type
two,
but
then
the
fear
of
the
endless
appeals
scares
me.
K
A
The
language
I
sent
out
to
you
that
was
in
the
presentation
that
I
sent
to
you
last
night,
has
kind
of
an
example
of
what
we
need
from
the
city
of
canon
for
their
rv
park.
Campgrounds
and
there's
others
too,
but
I
mean
that's
the
type
of
that's
the
type
of
code
language
we
would
need
for
it
to
qualify
for
a
type
one
or
fit
in
that
type.
One
box,
so
there's
definitely
more
of
a
flexibility
process
for
type
2..
A
The
other
thing
is
is
that
you
know
we
we
haven't
talked
about
the
temporary
types
of
the
short,
shorter
term
emergency,
like
fire,
shelter.
Things
like
that,
like
pauline
said
we're
going
to
come
back
to
those
these
are
for
the
permanent
uses,
and
so
for
something
that
is
truly
an
emergency.
I
mean
it's
all
an
emergency,
but
if
there's
a
natural
disaster-
and
we
need
to
provide
200
spaces
for
people
like
that,
that's
going
to
go
through
probably
a
different
process
and
a
much
quicker
and
easier
process.
A
F
F
H
We
also
have
like
for
affordable
housing
projects.
Karen
is
the
point
planner
on
that
she's
very
familiar
with
the
code,
and
so
they
all
go
to
her
for
the
most
part,
and
we
fast
track
those
you
know
so
maybe
there's
I.
I
can't
say
that
we
can
do
it,
but
maybe
there's
also
a
fast
track
process
like
we've
done
for
affordable
housing.
H
Type
1
is
generally
less
time
consuming
because
you
don't
have
to
notify
anybody
about
the
project.
Type
2
is
where
the
neighbors
actually
get
notice
of
the
project,
so
that
that
takes
time.
And
then
you
have
to
write
a
staff
report
which
takes
longer
and
there's
notification
periods,
whereas
the
type
one
just
doesn't
have
the
same.
H
J
Oh,
I
just
want
to
ask
a
naive
question
because
I'm
not
real
familiar
with
this
in
a
type
1.
Is
it
possible
not
to
ask
for
people's
permission
so
much
as
a
notification
that
this
is
what's
happening
so
that
you
can
like
in
in
our
safe
parking?
What
we
did
we
sent
a
letter
out
to
the
neighbors
stating
this
is
what
will
be
happening
at
nativity,
lutheran,
we'll
be
having
up
to
six
cars.
H
We
talked
about
that
when
we
amended
the
code
for
accessory
dwelling
units.
There
was
a
council
member
or
two
that
was
interested
in
it.
We
call
it
kind
of
a
neighborhood
notice,
the
the
hard
part
about
that
it
gives
the
neighbor
a
false
sense
of
expectation
that
they
can
comment
on
a
project
and
they
can't
so
that
they're
just
being
notified,
but
it
almost
upsets
them
because
they
can't
do
it
or
say
anything
about
the
project,
though
a.
L
Is
this
something
that
we
could
afford
to
leave
to
the
outreach
segment
it
seems
to
me,
like
you
know,
we
could
see
what
the
public
weighs
in
on
I.
I
have
an
expectation
of
what
the
public
will
say
to
us,
but
we
could
propose
that
there
is
two
sides
to
this
advantages
and
disadvantages
pros
and
cons
and
maybe
see
what
the
public
says.
A
G
K
Best
practice
is
definitely
to
notify
like
like
in
the
case
that
was
mentioned
earlier
and
that's
what
we
did
here
at
veterans
village.
But
if
you
don't
codify
notification,
then
people
won't
do
it
and
I
think
it's
better
to
have
people
disenfranchised
with
thinking.
They
have
input
because
they
were
notified,
then
the
opposite,
which
is
not
notifying
them
and
the
disenfranchised
from
that.
A
Yeah,
okay,
good
input!
Well,
why
don't
we
see
what
community
building
subcommittee
has
has
to
say?
I
can
report
back
and
I
think
since
we're
at
1106.
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
folks
time.
So
this
was
a
really
good
discussion
and
gave
us
a
lot
of
guidance,
so
pauline
and
elizabeth,
and
I
and
others
will
go
back
to
the
drawing
board
and
sort
of
come
up
with
some
ideas
before
the
next
one.
A
C
You
know
I
just
did
want
to
say
that
it
became
even
more
clear
this
last
week
to
me
about
my
role
on
this
committee.
This
committee
does
not
advise
counsel,
that's
where
I
consider
it
just
like
not
fair
for
myself
to
be
truly
participating
in
a
meeting.
That's
what
I'm
the
liaison
is
when
that
committee
advises
myself
right.
You
know
I
don't
get
to
advise
myself.
C
This
committee
advises
the
city
manager,
so
if
you've
been
wondering
why
on
earth
is
barb
campbell
raising
her
hand
so
much
that's
why
we,
you
know
we
get
to
participate
in
this
committee.
So
thank
you
all
so
much
thanks
for
tolerating
all
of
my
ideas
and
suggestions
and
questions,
and
thank
you
all
so
much
for
yours
and
your
participation.
B
You
know
just
that
kathy,
don't
worry
about
us,
we
can
take
the
heat
and
I
think
all
of
us
all
of
us.
I
will.
I
shouldn't
speak
for
all
of
us,
but
I,
but
I
will
you
know
this-
is
such
an
important
thing
that
we
we
need
to
be
doing
and
we
we
recognize
it
as
a
true
emergency
and
a
community
emergency,
and
so
anything
that
we
can
be
doing
to
to
make
to
make
these
things
actually
happen.