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A
A
C
A
Thanks
Michaela
I
I
was
saying,
welcome
everyone.
This
is
a
special
meeting
that
the
nla
is
called
to
discuss
home
energy
scores.
We
wanted
to
perhaps
consider
sending
in
something
and
writing
to
council
to
weigh
in
with
any
particular
requests
or
suggestions
around
the
home
energy
score
audit.
So
that's
why
we
called
the
special
meeting.
It
looks
like
we
do
have
a
forum
Michaela.
Would
you
be
able
to
help
me
out?
I,
don't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me?
Can
we
do
a
roll
call.
C
D
D
A
Okay,
thank
you
Michaela,
so
I
just
want
to
point
out,
even
with
eight,
so
eight
out
of
13.
That
represents
roughly
two-thirds
of
the
group
and
if,
if
we
are
considering
any
kind
of
of
action
or
communication,
we
just
need
to
keep
that
in
mind
with
our
communication
submission.
If
we
end
up
voting
on
something-
and
let's
say
that
it
is
a
split
vote,
a
very
maybe
it's
4-4,
or
even
you
know,
five
three
does
that
actually
represent
nla
concerns.
A
A
I
know
that
Jim
Christo
you
Southeast
Bend,
had
submitted
information
I
think
we
also
received
information
from
River
West
and
from
Southern
Crossing,
and
it
seems
like
one
of
the
general
concerns
around
the
home.
Energy
score
is
related
to
the
mandatory
versus
voluntary
nature,
so
I
guess
I
I
just
want
to
start
the
conversation
with
that
anybody
want
to
chat.
E
Oh
yeah,
this
is
Ross
I
had
similar
concerns
and
we
discussed
a
little
bit
with
the
board
as
well.
Putting
the
the
onus
the
responsibility
on
the
homeowner
who's
trying
to
list
their
home
is
where
we
kind
of
feel
like
it
was
didn't
quite
didn't
quite
meet
the
need
or
not
wasn't
necessarily
appropriate,
and
if
some
ideas
we
bounced
around
one
that
I
had
was
Target
older
houses
and
and
have
this,
have
the
city
basically
manage
it?
E
Potentially
look
at
when
codes
were
updated
fairly
drastically
at
the
city
so
like
maybe
make
it
mandatory
for
homes
prior
to
2000,
those
built
after
the
year
2000,
something
along
those
lines
to
try
to
drive
up
the
the
efficiency
of
those
older
homes
that
were
built,
70s,
pre-70s
80s.
That
type
of
a
thing-
that's
probably
I,
don't
know
if
it's
if
we
want
to
call
it
lower
hanging
fruit,
but
certainly
probably
the
bulk
of
the
problem
with
respect
to
greenhouse
gas
emissions
from
residences
around
a
Bend.
C
I
Well,
our
thoughts
were
that
older
homes
are
typically
held
by
people
that
are
lower
income
and
and
that
we
were
concerned
that
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
pay
and
that
the
city
should
have
programs
that
help
that
help
them.
So
ours
wasn't
really
age
related
to
the
house.
It
was
more
income
related
foreign.
I
D
I
have
a
question
about
the
pricing
I
saw.
The
estimate
was
150
to
300
is
how
much
it
might
cost.
Does
anyone
have
any
reason
to
believe
that
that's
inaccurate
way
too
low
that
it
might
cost
people
a
lot
more,
because
that
price
to
me
seems
fairly
reasonable
in
the
grand
scheme
of
all
the
the
money
we're
talking
about
in
a
home,
sale
and
bend.
B
B
The
assessments
and
I'll
also
add
that
we
did
write
into
the
ordinance
kind
of
like
a
a
clause
that
says
that
the
price
is
something
that
the
city
will
be
monitoring
and
if
the
price
ends
up
being
dramatically
outside
of
the
range
of
what
we
expect
that
we
would
like
you
know,
we
would
evaluate
that
and
that
we
would,
depending
on
the
situation.
You
know
it's
something
that
we
would
flag
and
potentially
intervene.
B
B
A
So
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
this
service
is
actually
available
from
some
of
the
vendors
here
in
Bend
free
of
charge.
So
you
can
actually
get
a
home
energy
audit.
You
can
see
what's
going
on
with
your
house
and
you
can
get
quotes
for
what
it
might
cost
to
upgrade
some
of
the
the
Energy
Efficiency
items
in
your
house
for
free
of
charge.
A
J
J
A
G
G
The
older
homes
that
have
been
built
to
the
code
that
existed
at
that
time
and
now
they're
faced
with
this
home
energy
score,
which
may
you
know
if
it's
it's
very
expensive
for
them
to
upgrade
those
homes
based
on
the
construction
used
at
the
time
that
maybe
a
penalty
to
these
kind
of
folks,
and
it
may
have
nothing
to
do
with
income,
but
it
may
have
to
do
with
some
of
the
retirees
on
lived
on,
fixed
incomes,
I
would
say
low
income.
So
that
was
one
of
the
concerns.
G
In
other
words,
there
could
be
a
bias
in
there
that
you
know
these
assessors
say
well,
your
home
energy
score
and
for
several
thousand
dollars
will
fix
it.
There
should
be
a
clear
delineation
between
the
home,
assessors
and
contractors,
who
you
know
can
do
the
work.
So
that
was
one
of
our
other
concerns,
and
a
third
concern
is
something
I
raised
at
the
nla
meeting
I
guess
last
month,
and
that
was
we're.
Putting
a
lot
of
onus
on
the
homeowner
and
when
you
look
at
it
all
the
homeowner
can
do
is
request
an
assessment.
G
That's
all
he
has
power
to
do
if
assessors
aren't
available
or
they
don't
respond
or
so
they're
booked
up
for
two
months,
that's
beyond
his
control.
Yet
the
city
is
going
to
hold
his
feet
to
the
fire
and
say:
hey
it's
your
problem.
You
got
to
get
it
done
or
we're.
You
know
if
we
find
you're
in
violation
we're
going
to
find
you.
G
Some
certain
advantages
for
the
city,
because
they're
going
to
go
right
away
if
the
assessors
aren't
available
or
they
take
too
long
to
respond
or
there's
just
not
enough.
Assessors
they'll
have
concrete
evidence
right
away
rather
than
having
to
wait
a
couple
months,
Downstream
for
their
people
for
the
staff
to
go.
You
know
on
the
listings,
you
know
listening
by
listening
and
see
who's
not
has.
G
H
G
Mentioned
that
I
was
asked
well
just
bring
it
up
to
the
council,
and
so
that's
what
the
Southeast
Bend
neighborhood
associate
is
doing.
We
actually
submitted
the
letter
today.
It
was
approved
by
the
board
and
I
sent
copies
to.
Oh,
actually,
you
all
have
copies
of
what
we're
sending.
So
that's,
basically
the
big
topics
that
you
know
we
raised,
but
I
do
have
one
question
for
Michaela
I
noticed
Wednesday
night
there's
an
awful
lot
of
topics
on
the
agenda.
Are
they
really
going
to
get
to
this
home
energy
score?
F
A
You
know
a
lot
of
people
that
are
buying
especially
older
homes.
They
kind
of
walk
into
it
with
this
idea
that
it's
probably
going
to
need
a
little
bit
of
updating.
It's
probably
going
to
need
a
little
more
insulation
or
better
Windows
or
or
something
along
those
lines,
and
are
we
really
accomplishing
anything
with
this
I?
Don't
see
it.
B
And
I
can
comment
on
the
scenario
that
you
were
suggesting
there.
So
the
idea
is
that
the
requirement
is
that
you
get
the
the
score
before
listing.
So
ideally,
you
haven't
listed
your
home
before
you
have
a
score,
but
if
somebody
does
list
their
home
without
the
score
and
it's
like
okay,
I'll
just
get
the
score,
you
know
and
then
the
house
does
sell,
because
we
do
have
that
15-day
grace
period
also
before
it's
a
code
violation
so
say
the
homework
score
within
that
50
or
a
cell.
B
B
B
We
need
to
reevaluate
this
program
because
it's
the
definitely
the
last
thing
that
the
city
wants
is
to
create
a
bunch
of
these
unintended
consequences
as
well,
but
I
understand
you
know
the
code
still
says
what
it
says
and
so,
to
a
certain
extent,
you
know
you
just
have
to
take
our
Our
intention
for
that.
But
those
are
the
conversations
we've
had
about.
B
I've
talked
to
a
couple
of
inspectors
who
are
who
are
going
to
be
going
through
the
assessment
before
before
the
last
month
or
two
we've
had
zero
to
maybe
one
or
two
people
who
are
licensed,
but
what
other
markets
have
seen
is
it's
after
the
ordinance
goes
into
a
it's
after
the
ordinance
gets
passed
that
it
triggers
people
like.
Oh
okay,
now
the
ordinance
is
passed,
there
will
be
a
ton
of
people
that
need
the
service
now
I
have
a
reason
to
go,
get
this
extra
license.
B
So
that's
actually
one
of
the
weakness.
One
of
the
reasons
that
a
voluntary
program
was
it
seen
as
plausible
is
that
in
essence,
a
voluntary
program
exists.
Today,
like
the
home
energy
score
exists,
people
can
offer
it
as
a
service.
People
could
get
it
if
they
wanted
to,
but
today,
or
at
least
two
months
ago,
it's
a
little
different
today,
two
months
ago,
there
wasn't
anyone
in
bed
offering
a
home
energy
score,
because
the
market
does
not.
You
know,
provide
that.
A
A
If
you
try
to
tie
this
with
listing,
the
house,
I
will
guarantee
you
it's
going
to
be
problematic
listing
a
house
has
too
many
variables.
It
has
too
many
things.
You
don't
just
decide
to
call
up
a
realtor
one
day
and
say:
hey
I
want
to
list
my
house,
and
it
goes
on
the
market
the
next
day.
It
is
it
most
often
it's
about
a
two-week
turnaround
before
that
house
is
ready
by
the
time
you
get
pictures
by
the
time
you
do
any
inspections,
any
repairs.
Anything
you've
got
to
have
some
lead
time.
B
Right
so
just
a
couple
of
things
to
address
that
for
one
I
think
that
idea
that
it
does
typically
take
a
couple
of
weeks.
Many
people
know
you
know
even
several
weeks
to
months
in
advance
that
they're
going
to
list
their
home.
That
gives
you
the
time
to
call
the
Home
energy
assessor
and,
at
the
same
time,
you're
doing
the
photos,
a
lot
of
people
that
are
doing
some
of
those
like
a
lot
of
people
that
do
the
the
photos
for
a
home.
B
B
In
luck,
because
the
proposed
program,
as
we
have
said
all
along,
is
actually
that
the
program
would
begin
at
the
soonest
January
for
or
July
1st
2023,
and
that's
just
for
exactly
what
you
have
said
time
for
the
assessors
to
get
ready
time
for
the
market
to
get
ready
time
for
the
city
to
do
additional.
Outreach
and
make
sure
everyone
was
aware
of
it,
and
then
we
also
have
built
in
that.
B
If,
before
that,
July
first
date,
it
is
found
that
we
don't
have
enough
assessors,
it's
significantly
less
than
we
expected
significantly
less
than
we
think
that
we
need
that.
We
would
further
delay
implementation
of
the
program,
so
we
have
heard
from
some
other
groups
like
asking
for
a
delayed
implementation
of
an
entire
year.
So
that's
something
that
you
know
I,
guess
being
a
little
bit
more
specific
about
what
you're
looking
for
that
and
how
it
differs
from
what
it
already
is
out.
B
A
Thank
you.
Cassie
I
appreciate
that
I'm
not
sure
I'm
on
the
same
page
with
you
in
terms
of
trusting
people
that
are
taking
photographs
of
the
house
to
also
do
a
home
energy
assessment,
but
that's
a
personal
opinion.
There
might
be
people
that
are
qualified
to
do
that,
but
I
want
to
open
it
up
to
the
rest
of
the
the
floor.
If
anyone
has
questions
or
comments
or
suggestions
on
how
we
might
go
forward,
feel
free
to
come
forward.
I
B
Well,
that's
the
thing:
it's
just
a
service
that
exists,
like
any
other
service.
You
may
think
of
you
know
and
like
the
city
doesn't
advertise
services
that
we
don't
have
a
direct
tie
into,
and
so
one
of
the
benefits
of
the
city
creating
a
program
around
it
is
to
create
some
City
structure
so,
like
the
city
doesn't
advertise
that
you
can
get
home
energy
scores
currently
and
no
one
offers
the
department
of
energy
tool.
B
There
is
no
one
that
offers
specifically
that
tool
yet
in
Bend,
because
it's
not
something
that
people
have
been
asking
for
yet
there's
not
a
market.
Yet
for
that,
and
then,
since
that's
not
a
requirement,
so
right
now
like
someone
could
not
probably
couldn't
find
someone
to
do
it
because
the
people
become
available
to
do
it
once
you
have
a
mandatory
program.
So
that's
kind
of
the
tricky
part
with
the
voluntary
program
is
that
it's
like
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
so
like
it
just
doesn't.
B
Really
it
doesn't
really
the
the
market
doesn't
pop
up
for
it.
Unless
there's
some
sort
of
you
know,
Outside
Agency
doing
that
there
are
other
types
of
Home
energy
assessments
that
can
be
done.
Like
green
Savers
offers
one
that's
much
more
comprehensive
and
thorough.
Those
ones
are
more
expensive,
so
the
city
typically
doesn't
advertise
for
a
private
business
that
offers
a
private
service.
So
that's
so
there's
a
little
bit
of
nuance
to
that.
But
anyway,.
A
Just
to
add
just
to
add
to
that
Karen.
So,
basically,
if
you
want
a
home
energy
score
as
a
homeowner
today,
you
can
get
one
you
can
work
with
green
Savers
is
one
of
the
companies
that
I've
worked
with
and
they
came
out
to
my
home
and
they
completely
tested
my
home.
They
did
all
kinds
of
blowing
air
and
trying
to
figure
out
where
the
the
cracks
were
and
where
I
needed
additional
insulation
in
my
home.
So
you
can
get
that
it's
just
not
going
to
be
an
official
document.
A
B
Well,
we've
heard
Beau,
like
you
kind
of
referred
to
we've
heard
both
you've
heard
people
who
say
it
shouldn't
apply
to
older
homes,
because
there
will
be
penalized
and
more
and
then
we've
also
heard
people
say
it
shouldn't
apply
to
newer
homes
because
they're
the
ones
that
aren't
energy.
You
know
they're
the
ones
that
are
more
energy
efficient.
So
it's
something
that's
been
discussed
like
yeah,
it's
possible
that
older
homes
May
on
average,
have
a
worse
Energy
Efficiency,
because
they're
built
to
a
less
energy
efficient
code.
B
That's
definitely
something
the
committee
has
discussed,
but
just
on
net.
They
see
the
value
in
making
sure
that
all
homes
have
scores
and
that,
if
someone,
if
you're
a
buyer,
who's
going
to
buy
one
of
those
homes,
that
happens
to
be
less
efficient,
whether
it's
old
or
new,
that's
valuable
information
to
have,
and
vice
versa-
and
it
is
a
little
bit
of
a
it's.
It's
not
entirely
accurate.
To
say
all
old
homes
are
inefficient
and
all
new
homes
are
efficient
either.
B
A
G
G
B
You
well
there's
not
a
there's,
not
really
any
subjectivity
in
the
scorecard,
because
what
it
is
is
it's
it's
a
sheet
of
paper.
I
mean
they
fill
it
up
on
a
computer
because
there's
this
back-end
tool
and
they
type
numbers
in
so
they
take
measurements
in
the
home.
So
they
look
and
they
say
what
type
of
insulation
do
they
have
it's
this
R
rating,
they
type
that
in
they
say
what
it's
all.
It's
basically
all
objective
measurements
so
for
two
people
for
two
assessors
to
get
different
scores.
B
That
would
be
a
result
of
an
assessor
incorrectly
measuring
or
lying,
which
of
course,
can
happen.
There's
only
so
much
we
can
do
about
their.
You
know
like
that's
just
we
are
hopeful
that
we
don't
have
assessors
out
there
that
are
like
lying
a
bunch.
Earth
Advantage
does
do.
They
are
hired
by
the
Oregon
Department
of
energy
to
perform
a
Statewide
service
of
quality
assurance,
so
they
go
and
they
do
walk-throughs
with
the
home
energy
assessors
to
make
sure
that
they're
scoring
accurately
and
doing
continuing
education.
B
So
it's
not
really.
It's
not
really
subjective,
like
that,
where
one
person
could
be
like
your
insulation,
I
think
is
great
and
someone's,
like
your
insulation,
I
think,
is
not
great
because
they
put
the
the
numbers
in
there
and
they're
measuring
with
you
know
a
measuring
tape,
and
then
this
tool
that
was
developed
by
the
US
Department
of
energy
for
years
and
years
in
modeling
is
the
one
actually
doing
the
calculations
and
spinning
out
the
number.
D
Yeah
I
have
a
question
for
Cassie,
so
we're
talking
about
insulation
a
lot
here.
Can
you
break
down
a
little
more
specifics
of
the
exact
things
that
this
assessor
is
looking
at?
I
assume,
there's
insulation,
the
type
of
Windows
you
have.
If
you
have
a
wood
stove,
if
you
have
a
gas
fireplace,
can
you
kind
of
break
down
the
specifics
like
what
is
getting
evaluated
in
each
home.
B
Yeah
and
while
I'm
answering
this
might
be
impossible
for
me
to
try
to
do
at
the
same
time.
I
actually
have
a
form
from
someone
that
got
one
done,
but
it's
basically
like
things
like
insulation
and
the
envelope
and
the
construction
style
like.
What
is
your?
What
is
your
house
actually
made
out
of
what
type
of
slab
is
it
on
and
then
so
there's
a
bunch
related
to
that?
What
type
of
Windows
do
you
have?
B
D
Okay,
yeah
I
mean
I'd,
be
curious,
like
if
an
older,
traditional
wooden
stick
house
compared
to
like
a
newer
composite
wood
material
like
how
great
of
a
difference
that
makes
like
you
know
how.
How
big
of
a
difference
does
the
material
make
that
the
house
is
made
out
of,
as
opposed
to
like
how
much
insulation
is
in
the
Attic?
You
know
that
type
of
stuff
I'm
just
curious
about
yeah.
B
B
C
Okay,
all
right
so
I
wanted
to
remind
everyone
too,
that
if
we
don't
have
a
majority
agreement
which,
from
what
I'm
seeing
it
sounds
like
one
or
two
people
agree
that
it
shouldn't
be
voluntary
and
or
groups
or
neighborhood
associations
agree.
It
shouldn't
be
voluntary,
one
or
two
are
concerned
about
the
age
of
being
a
factor
and
bias.
So,
like
we've
heard
a
little
bit
of
scattering
from
everything,
I
think
what
I
would
remind
you
all
is
that
you
can
still
submit
letters
from
your
neighborhood
association
as
well.
C
J
C
D
I
mean
I'm
not
quite
ready
to
support
that
letter.
I'd
have
to
reread
it
when
I
presented
this
at
our
last
board
meeting.
You
know
one
board,
member
who's,
a
realtor
immediately
said
no
I,
don't
like
this.
This
is
gonna
muddle
up
the
the
home
buying
and
selling
process-
and
you
know
I
personally,
was
like
well
I
kind
of
like
it.
D
A
Maybe
some
people
think
that
that's
okay,
but
when
it
comes
to
government
programs,
I
kind
of
like
things
figured
out
a
little
bit
more
so
I'm
not
on
board
with
supporting
the
home
energy
score
and
I
have
that
support
from
people
that
I've
talked
to
on
my
board.
So
we
are
are
flat
out
not
in
favor
of
the
council.
Adopting
this
but
I
don't
feel
that
I
have
enough
support
among
this
group
for
that
kind
of
statement.
H
A
A
A
C
How,
We,
Do
majority
rules
with
the
nla
figure
conversation
so
and
if
you
want
to
rethink
how
we
do
that
so
Lisa
mentioned
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
There's
eight
people
here
is
that
truly
a
majority.
If,
if
a
majority
is
only
four
or
five
people,
is
that
a
majority
of
the
neighborhood
associations
and
I
know
summer?
You've
had
concerns
about
that
in
the
past
too.
So
that
is
something
that
you're
you're
welcome:
to
bring
up
in
rep
reports
as
a
topic
for
future
consideration,
but.