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From YouTube: Special called council meeting Oct 27 2020
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The Biloxi City Council held a special called meeting on Tuesday, Oct. 27, 2020 at 10:30 a.m. regarding short term rentals and included representatives from the Mississippi Department of Revenue. To see the agenda, visit https://www.biloxi.ms.us/agendas/citycouncil/2020/102720/102720agenda.pdf.
A
A
B
We
will
be
asking
you
to
come
back
at
1
30
to
help
us,
among
other
things,
to
prove
a
declaration
of
emergency
for
the
hurricane
that
we'll
we'll
have
for
you
to
vote
on
at
the
1
30
meeting
and
just
as
fyi
that
we
we
have
announced
a
mandatory
evacuation
of
the
harbors
this
morning,
so
their
their
boats
are
all
pulling
out.
Now
we
have
a
number
of
guests
here
this
this
morning.
I
know
you're
going
to
introduce
them
council
president,
so
I'll
skip
over
those
remark.
Those
names
from
fernell.
B
Today
in
biloxi
we
have
somewhere
between
30
and
40
hotels.
Now
it's
interesting.
I
can't
tell
you
the
number,
because
it's
it's
a
little
odd,
because
some
of
the
hotels
in
d'iberville
and
and
saint
martin's
have
biloxi
mailing
addresses,
so
do
we
count
them
as
a
boxier
and
so
forth,
but
30
to
40
hotels,
but
we
have
over
300
short-term
rentals
that
have
been
permitted
in
the
city,
and
this
is
a
big
issue
that
you
and
the
council
been
along,
as,
along
with
us
have
been
dealing
with.
B
We
gave
you
an
ordinance
change
a
while
back
regarding
short-term
rentals,
along
with
a
resolution,
with
ahead
an
option
for
a
public
hearing
both
of
those
were
tabled
pending
this
special
meeting,
so
that
we
could
provide
additional
information
regarding
taxation,
which
we'll
be
able
to
do
today
at
your
place.
You'll
have
a
copy
of
that
ordinance.
As
long
along
with
the
resolution
for
the
special
meeting,
I've
noted,
I've
marked
the
one
page
with
the
language
regarding
taxation,
which
was
problematic.
B
C
Thank
you,
mr
leonard
and
again
ms
lanelle,
thank
you
for
being
here
as
well
as
ms
smith
and
miss
mr
duke
thank
you
for
being
here.
It's
always
wonderful
to
have
one
of
our
supervisors
here
interested
in.
What's
going
on
in
the
city
of
biloxi,
thank
you
for
being
here
and
miss
hornsby,
all
the
work
you
do
with
the
hotel
association.
Thank
you
again.
I'm
going
to
bring
this
up
to
the
council
reports.
If
you
guys
would
keep
it
short.
I
know
we
have
a
lot
of
lot
to
go
over
today.
C
C
Us
into
the
policy
agenda-
and
this
is
the
substance
of
this
meeting-
I'm
going
to
excuse
me
it's
the
public
agenda.
I
I
apologize
we'll
have
three
minutes
per
person
in
the
audience
if
they
care
to
speak
and
reserve
45
minutes
in
total.
If
you
care
to
speak,
please
come
up
to
the
table
state
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
sign
in
now
what.
E
C
Would
suggest
that
if
you
have
questions,
it's
not
going
to
be
back
and
forth,
but
I'm
going
to
write
down
every
question
that
you
guys
have
so
we'll
try
to
address
it
during
the
substance
of
the
meeting.
So
anybody
on
the
right
hand,
side
of
the
room
or
my
side
of
them
care
to
come
up
and
speak
or
propose
a
question
for
us
to
address.
Please
do
so
now.
F
Good
morning,
good
morning,
good
to
see
y'all
jacqueline
wilson
with
biloxi
beach
resort
rentals,
so
I'm
glad
we're
able
to
have
this
meeting
during
that
time
frame
of
our
last
meeting,
the
state
tax
commission
did
get
with
me.
They
have
changed
my
tap
system,
so
it
allows
me
to
break
down
the
city
of
gulfport
and
biloxi
for
the
seven
percent
sales
tax.
So
I
have
started
doing
that.
They've
asked
me
to
amend
up
to
36
months,
so
I've
started
working
my
way
back
from
2007
forward
to
do
the
amendments.
F
Miss
veronica
helped
me
at
the
tax
commission,
she's
very
helpful,
so
just
let
y'all
know
they
did
override
my
system
to
allow
that.
So
I
am
forward
doing
them
correctly
and
I'm
amending
up
to
36
months,
so
that
biloxi
will
have
their
fair
share
of
the
seven
percent.
So
that
has
been
completed.
I'm
not
aware
of
other
management
companies
are
starting
to
do
it.
They
would
not
give
me
that
information,
but
I've
started
to
do
it.
F
G
Biloxi
I'm
here
I
I
have
made
a
list
of
some
questions
and
I
I
feel
like
once
you
all
get
into
the
thing
they
meet
of
this
it'll
prob
they'll
probably
be
answered,
so
I
don't
want
to
go
into
all
of
them.
First
of
all,
I
just
wanted
to
on
them
on
the
most
recent
bill
house
bill
379.
I
believe
it
is.
It
deals
with
third
party
retailers,
third-party
marketplace,
third-party
facilitators.
G
G
However,
in
2007
the
legislation
which
created
the
mississippi
gulf
coast,
regional
convention
and
visitors
bureau
that
it
it
went
back
to
the
definition
of
one
room
or
more
and
that's
what
the
the
dor's
definition
of
a
hotel
is
everything.
So
so
they
really.
There
is
no
exemption
any
longer
and
also
a
point
that
I've
discovered
again
airbnb.
G
I
I
contacted
airbnb
as
if
I
wanted
to
list
a
property
of
my
own
and,
and
that
would
make
me
a
host
and
they
said
they
automatically
when
you
put
the
address
in,
they
have
the
seven
percent
sales
tax
on
there.
But
it
is.
They
provide
a
link
for
the
host
when
they're
filling
out
what
their
rates
are
and
any
fees
there
might
be
a
cleaning
fee.
There
might
be
a
deposit
when
they're
filling
that
out.
G
The
the
taxes,
the
five
percent
tax
is
due
on
all
properties
in
harrison
county,
but
instead
it's
down
in
under
the
ems,
mississippi
gulf
coast
convention
and
visitors,
bureau
and
mississippi
a
coast
coliseum
in
convention
center,
because
I
guess
that's
the
way
the
taxes
were
originally
levied
in
the
in
the
legislation,
but
that
is
not
even
how
the
distribution
is,
and
I
think
they're
correct
on
on
the
distribution.
But
I'm
just
saying
it.
G
It
is
confusing
for
a
host
somebody
that
just
happens
to
have
an
apartment
or
a
house,
and
they
are
what
they
want
to
rent
it
out.
It's
very
unlikely
that
they're
going
to
go
down
the
entire
list.
If
they've
gone
and
looked
in
biloxi
and
they've
looked
in
harrison
county
and
it's
not
on
there,
they,
I
would
assume,
unless
I
knew
better,
that
all
you
owe
is
a
seven
percent
tax,
and
so
those
are
two
I
think
key
things.
G
C
H
Your
position,
martin
harrison
county
supervisor,
district,
one
2012
by
laporte,
dry,
biloxi
and
sign
in
for
me.
I
will
thank
you
so
sorry
about
that.
You
know
I
can't
write
and
talk
at
the
same
time,
so
it
was
brought
to
the
attention
of
the
harrison
county
board
of
supervisors
that
some
of
these
properties
that
ms
hornsby
referred
to,
that
expedia
and
airbnb,
and
some
of
these
third-party
booking
agents
were
wrongfully
thinking
that
they
were
exempt
because
they
had
10
rooms
or
less.
That
law,
of
course,
was
changed
in
07,
I
think
so.
Since
2007.
H
So
we
as
a
board
voted
a
month
ago
or
when
it
came
to
our
attention,
which
was
last
month
to
send
a
letter
to
the
department
of
revenue
asking
them
to
look
into
this.
We
also
sent
one
to
expedia
to
see
if
they
would
show
us
number
one.
Have
they
been
collecting
that
room
tax
and
number
two
who
they've
been
giving
it
to
because
we
haven't
gotten
it
and
by
our
calculations?
What's
that
13
14
15
years?
That's
some
money.
C
C
C
C
C
This
is
the
first
one,
miss
wilson
discussed
in
override
that
she
was.
She
was
provided.
The
ability
to
you
helped
her
override
the
system,
so
she
could
adjudicate
the
amount
of
taxation
that
should
be
appropriated
to
biloxi
versus
gulfport.
Now
she
referenced
an
override.
Is
there
a
system
that
does
that
without
having
to
have
a
special
override
with
every
one
of
our?
Our
vendors
have
to
get
an
override
to
determine
the
amount
of
taxes
paid
for
on
behalf
of
biloxi
properties
versus
gulfport.
I
I
We
have
a
group
in
our
sales
tax
department
that
is
dedicated
to
auditing
returns
each
month,
and
I
will
tell
you
for
all
the
special
levies
that
mississippi
has
you
know.
That's
it's
become
ever
more
obvious
to
us
that
are.
We
are
expanding,
that
group
of
people
that
work
in
sales
tax
that
do
that.
So
we
routinely
as
part
of
what
the
auditor
is
doing
with
that
now
they
may
call.
They
may
ask
questions
now,
knowing
that
she
was
a
property
manager
that
had
properties
in
both
places
that
could
have.
I
Maybe
that
could
have
been
picked
up
on
in
her
registration
at
the
time
she
did
the
registration.
I
don't
know
that
she
disclosed
to
us
that
the
properties
were
in
both
locations,
but
it's
required
that
if
they're
in
multiple
cities
they
have
to
file
a
distribution
by
city,
some
other
companies
that
have
been
named
here
today.
That
is
exactly
what
they
are
required
to
do
when
they
complete
their
returns
and
so.
I
It's
and
I'll
say
some
of
the
bigger
companies
I
mean
they
go
actually
by
county
and
then
they
have
to
pick
every
city.
That's
in
that
once
they
click
on
a
county,
then
it
has
each
city,
they
get
the
rates,
so
we
get
the
rates
in
then
we
go
to
another
part
of
the
return
where
they
have
to
break
out
distribution
by
city
and
give
all
of
the
sales
listed
by
the
city
and
then
from
there
behind
the
scenes,
and
the
computer
programming
is
how
all
the
diversion
comes
out
to
the
different.
I
Whomever
the
sales
tax,
whomever
the
special
levy
by
law,
is
being
diverted
to
and
is
paid
out
monthly
from
the
department
of
revenue.
So
it's
it's
use.
The
word
override.
I
think
it's
just
a
matter
of
making
sure
that
she
was
understanding
which
part
and
where
to
go
in
the
return
to
file
the
distribution
of
my
city.
So.
I
C
I
C
I
C
I
That
is
part.
It's
going
to
be
part
of
educating
your
your
public
to
do
that
now.
I
don't
know
that
I'll.
Take
that
back
as
a
suggestion
today.
Maybe
we
need
to
list
those
in
both
places,
I'm
going
to
go
back
after
I've
heard
that
today
it's
just
been
our
policy
to
put
it
on
our
website,
as
it
is
passed
in
the
bill.
I
I
The
law
was
passed
that
required
these
marketplace.
Facilitators
was
signed
at
the
end
of
june,
but
with
an
effective
date
of
july
1..
Now,
typically,
our
legislature
would
end
on
the
year
of
a
new
governor.
You
know
they
get
four
months,
but
if
it's
a
consecutive
year
it's
three
months
and
covet,
it's
extended
that
session.
I
So
when
the
governor
signed
that
at
the
end
of
june
and
boom,
it
was
effective
july
1.,
we
put
a
notice
out
stating
exactly
what
the
law
said
and
the
department
of
revenue
is
the
signed
date.
That
bill
effective
date
is
very
clear:
we're
not
going
to
put
out
any
information
that
would
be
contradictory
to
what
the
governor
signed
into
law.
I
So
we
had
questions
from
many
companies
who
said,
I
can't
put
this
into
play
that
quickly
lineal.
I
don't
have
the
computer
programming
ready
in
three
days
for
this.
I
would
assume
you
all
can
understand
that.
So
I
said
you
got
to
get
it
in
there.
You
have
to
understand
what
the
bill
says:
you're
going
to
be
liable
for
it.
I
I
I've
since
had
a
multi-person
conference
call,
and
we
have
worked
through
that
with
multiple
companies-
okay,
because
they
were
pulling
something,
I
believe
from
a
survey
from
years
past.
It
wasn't
current.
I
think
that
was
a
contract
group
with
this
particular
company.
So
when
we
explained
you
have
to
understand
the
wording
in
that
levy,
that's
changed
and
how
we
interpret
that
for
those
levies.
That
say
it
applies.
I
So
I
can
tell
you
what
my
layman's
explanation
of
that
was
when
those
levees
went
into
play.
Much
like
the
restaurant,
levees
you'll
see
some
of
the
older
ones.
You
can
just
go
through
our
alphabetical
listing
on
our
website.
You
can
see
the
dates
they
were
put
into
law
and
you
can
read.
You've
got
some
you've
got
some
restaurant
levies
out
there
that
say:
they're
not
applicable
to
businesses
that
don't
have
a
hundred
thousand
in
sales
in
a
year
or
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
in
sales
for
a
year.
I
Now,
that's
always
been
explained
to
me
that
when
these
things
first
begin
to
be
passed
by
the
legislature,
there
were
quite
a
few
municipalities
who
didn't
want
the
mom
and
pop
hometown
restaurants
downtown.
They
were
after
the
chain,
restaurants
that
were
out
closer
to
the
interstate
okay.
So
this
is
where
these
numbers
got
put
in.
By
the
same
token,
when
the
hotel
motel
levies
began
to
be
passed,
you
had
some
smaller
towns
that
had
bed
and
breakfasts
that
were
routinely
collecting
the
seven
percent
tax.
I
I
Many
of
the
municipalities
have
not
updated
their
levies
and
that's
a
question
that
we
get
frequently
because
as
the
people
retire,
who
were
part
of
that
in
city
council
or
the
the
city
attorney's
office,
if
you
have
new
people
that
are
working
with
these
tourism
levies
that
are
employed
by
the
cities
and
the
tourism
groups,
they'll
make
phone
calls
routinely
to
us.
Can
you
tell
me
whether
or
not
how
come
ours
is
not
going
up
if,
if,
if
airbnb
made
their
registration
public-
and
we
can
find
these
in
our
area-
why?
I
I
I'll
also
address
one
thing:
when
she
talked
about
do
you
know
all
the
companies
that
expedia
owns
I'll
just
throw
in
there
for
fyi?
That's
no
secret!
You
can
google
that,
if
you
haven't
found
out
yet
priceline
owns
the
majority
of
the
rest
of
them.
So
if
they
don't
fall
under
one
umbrella,
they
typically
are
falling
under
the
other.
And
many
of
those
names
are,
they
are
trade
names,
but
they
may
not
be
an
actual
legal
entity.
That's
renting
any
of
things.
I
So
again
I
say
I
think
that
was
with
the
company
that
you
mentioned.
I
believe
that's
where
the
confusion
came.
It
was
a
source
that
they
were
using
to
a
third
party
source
to
handle
the
emails
and
whatnot.
But
the
company
understands
where
one
email
was
sent
to
me.
They
gave
contradicting
information.
They
actually
had
that
that
contradicted
the
law
change,
but
then,
at
the
same
time
they
sent
the
same
person.
I
I
So
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
a
rush
of
all
of
these
companies
trying
to
get
registered,
trying
to
do
what
with
what
the
bill
required
them
to
do,
and-
and
I
think
in
a
matter
of
time
here-
we're
going
to
see
this
smooth
out
and
when
they
all
get
registered,
we'll
understand
that
and
and
understand
they
are
like
any
business.
That's
that's
locally
owned
here.
I
J
C
C
C
I
Well,
let
me
say,
as
the
as
the
city:
if
it's
your
ordinance,
I
believe
you
can
and
ask
whatever
you
want
to
require
of
the
taxpayer.
Let
me
let
me
also
remind
you,
though,
that
from
the
standpoint
of
our
department
and
the
law,
sales
tax
returns
and
the
content
of
sales
tax
returns
are
classified
as
confidential
information.
J
I
Then
the
question
would
be:
you
know
what
kind
of
safeguard,
if
you're
asking
for
that
from
them,
or
are
you
going
to
have
to
to
make
sure
that
that
information
doesn't
become
public
elsewhere?
You
know
so
as
a
I
can
speak,
not
from
the
head
of
dor,
but
to
say
if
I
were
a
taxpayer
here
doing
that
I
would
probably
be
asking
my
own
legal
counsel.
Am
I
compelled
to
give
them
the
contents
of
my
tax
returns,
because
I
don't
believe
that
I
would
have
to
now.
I
I
C
Ms
strait,
can
I
interrupt
you
for
one
moment.
Mr
abide
in
in
the
proposed
modification
to
short-term
rentals
shall
provide
proof
that
sales
tax
records
have
been
submitted
to
the
department
of
revenue
that
doesn't
suggest
they
have
to
tell
us
how
much
was
paid.
So
we
do
get
a
list.
You
said
that
that
can
we
can
verify
if
they
have
contributed
some
amounts,
just
not
the
exact
just
not
the
amount
that
they've
paid
just
that
they
have
contributed
some
amount.
Is
that
correct.
I
C
Holding
up
one
second
I'll
get
to
mrs
horsby,
this
miss
straight,
the
language
continues
and
it
says,
or
that
such
taxes
have
been
collected
by
a
third
party.
So
I
think
that
if
they're
on
a
marketplace
then
peer
by
to
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
that
demonstrating
in
the
contract
that
their
party
is
collecting,
the
sales
tax
would
suffice
in
for
the
language.
That's
in
this
proposed
modification.
Is
that
correct?
Mr
abide.
J
It's
designed
to
show
that
there
is
a
mechanism
in
place
that
it
is
being
collected,
we're
not
we're
we're
not
asking
for
the
amount.
That
is
something
that
can
be
determined
very
easily
by
the
individual
owner
if
they're
on
a
platform
what
those
amounts
are,
but
at
this
stage
we're
just
saying
it's
either.
D
D
G
This
is
I'm
reading
from
airbnb's
website,
where
they
instruct
a
host,
what
to
do
put
in
your
rate,
put
in
your
cleaning
fee
and
it
says,
find
out
how
occupancy
tax
collection
and
remittance
by
airbnb
works.
Note
hosts
located
in
these
areas
are
responsible
for
assessing
all
other
tax
obligations,
including
state
and
city
jurisdictions.
G
Mine
is
in
biloxi.
No,
I
don't
see
biloxi
on
here.
Well,
let
me
look
under
harrison
county,
nothing,
and
so
it's
very
unlikely
that
they
would
know
how
the
levy
was
written,
to
go
down
to
the
m's
and
find
the
applicable
taxes
that
are
due.
So
a
cross-reference
would
certainly
help
that.
But
you
know
if
anybody
is
not
doing
that
any
of
the
these
short-term
rentals,
then
it's
not
being
collected.
F
As
an
individual
homeowner
who
is
self-managing
a
unit,
what
will
happen
is
they'll
get
a
receipt
for
the
bookings
that
shows
how
much
rental
income
was
collected,
what
cleaning
fees
and
resort
fees,
processing
fees
and
how
much
sales
tax
was
collected,
but
that's
all
it
will
show-
and
I
did
bring
it
with
me
that
day
to
the
meeting,
because
I
do
have
a
a
owner
who's
on
my
program,
who
also
has
airbnb
and
vrbo,
and
he
printed
out
a
receipt
for
me,
so
it
will
show
the
tax
that's
collected.
That's.
F
C
When
you
set
it
up,
when
you
go
on
to
airbnb
and
forgive
migrants,
because
I've
never
done
this
and
you
click
in
to
become
a
new
marketplace
participant
whatever
the
terms
would
be-
and
you
click
biloxi
and
you
click-
that
is
there's
nothing.
That's
printed
out
that
that
shows
which
taxes
you
clicked
to.
C
C
I
Is
there
any
wording
that
when
you
were
going
through
there
and
registering
and
all
those
things
that
pop
up,
I
agree,
you
know
like
going
through
an
at
t
deal
you
have
to
scroll
up,
and
I
agree.
I
agree
before
you
go
to
the
next
step.
Did
you
print
any
of
that
and
look
it
in
the
wording
in
there
about
what
it
said
as
to
who
was
responsible
for
the
collection.
F
F
Now
they
have
changed
it
for
me
to
where
vrbo
will
collect
the
sales
tax.
So
before
I
was
saying
my
reservation,
total
is
three
thousand
dollars
and
there's
in
that
three
thousand
was
twelve
percent
sales
tax.
They
are
no
longer
giving
me
the
option
to
collect
it
that
just
changed
now
with
vrbo,
so
I'm
I'm
fighting
with
them,
because
I
don't
want
to
change.
I
like
collecting
my
sales
tax.
I
like
remitting
it
myself.
That's.
I
F
Yeah
I
mean
because
being
a
management
company,
we
would
have
to
set
up
an
account
for
every
single
condo
with
airbnb
and
vrbo.
That's
why
we
use
that
third-party
platform
and
then
that's
their
responsibility
to
set
that
up,
but
yeah
vrbo
is
they.
They
are
no
longer
allowing
me
to
collect
the
sales
tax,
which
is.
F
And
I
understand
that
I
mean
just
like
I'm
liable
for
my
owners.
My
contract
with
my
owner
states
that
biloxi
beach
is
to
collect
all
sales
tax
and
remit
it
to
the
proper
department
and
that's
what
we
do
so
my
owners
will
be
held
harmless.
If
I
didn't
pay
my
sales
tax,
but
no
on
airbnb
and
vrbo,
it
doesn't
give
it
in
your
contract.
It
just
states
that
they
will
collect
that
sales,
tax
and
remit
it,
but
it
doesn't
give
a
specific
dollar
amount
or
a
percentage
of
what
they're
going
to.
C
A
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
make
an
observation.
I
hope
I'm
accurate
with
this,
and
that
is
we
all
agree.
There's
a
problem.
There's
a
communication
issue
and
I'm
thinking
there's
some
guidance
that
has
to
go
out.
We've
got
the
operators,
we've
got
the
department
of
revenue,
we've
got
all
the
municipalities,
we've
got
two
taxes,
we've
got
the
seven
percent
state
estate
sales
tax
and
then
the
the
coliseum
tax
I'll
call
it
with
the
other
five
percent.
A
So
we'll
all
agree
that
these
are
all
issues
that
have
to
be
resolved
and
I'm
wondering
who's
going
to
resolve
that
that
is
get
the
guidance
out
to
revise
whatever
forms
needed
to
be
done.
I'm
thinking
if
every
municipality
has
to
do
that,
that's
a
lot
of
time
and
energy
throughout
the
state
for
cities,
large
and
small.
A
Just
from
what
I
know
what
I've
seen,
not
that
I
interact
much
with
whether
it's
vrbo
or
uber
for
that
matter.
It's
just
that
these
are
disruptive
technologies,
and
this
is
exactly
why
they
are
disruptive
technologies.
I
don't
think
the
platforms
vrbo
home
away
price,
whatever
I
don't
think
they
want
to
make
these
changes.
Why
would
they
I'm
going
to
put
the
ball
in
your
court?
I'm
going
to
put
the
ball
in
your
court.
I
I
again,
I
can't
disclose
who
we've
had
voluntary
collection
agreements
with
for
some
time,
but
you
have
to
understand
there
are.
There
are
platforms.
There
are
management
companies
all
over
the
state
that
management
companies
that
were
domiciled
in
mississippi
that
have
been
collecting
these
taxes
for
quite
some
time.
I
A
And
maybe
that's
maybe
that's
the
rub,
because
we're
asking
the
operators
to
provide
verification
that
they
are
in
fact
paying
the
taxes
there's
got
to
be.
Of
course
that's.
Why
we're
here
today?
What's
the
easiest
least
obtrusive
way
of
verifying
that
I
run
a
short-term
rental
in
the
city
of
biloxi,
I've
got
a
permit
and
I
want
to
renew
it,
and
I
have
some
document
that
I
can
give
to
community
development
that
can
be
verified
if
necessary.
So
there's
some
sort
of
auditing
on
the
city's
part
that
resolves
that
issue.
A
I
A
I
A
A
The
city
of
biloxi
they'll
tell
you,
you
can
go
online
and
they're
not
going
to
share
that
information
with
me
and
my
guess
is
they're
not
going
to
share
that
information
with
anybody
else
and
that
they're
very
reluctant,
because
it
would
require
some
time
and
energy
and
of
course
that's
money
for-
and
I
want
to
sum
up
this
part
anyway.
With
this
question,
I
appreciate
you
all
coming
down.
A
I
Well
I'll
go
on
to
say,
of
course
I
have
something
here
with
me
today:
that's
a
draft
which
I'm
not
going
to
be
passing
out,
but
we
are
you.
You
spoke
a
minute
ago
about
maybe
some
information
to
make
this
a
little
more
broad
for
homeowners,
and
we
have
another
little
place
on
our
website
where
we
have
some
fact
sheets
about
different
industries
and
we've
got
one
in
draft
explaining
to
homeowners.
I
You
know
a
little
more
than
what
this
says,
but
we've
not
released
it
yet
because,
as
you
say,
we're
all
trying
to
figure
out
these
problems,
so
I'm
going
to
bring
another
one
to
the
table,
but
I'm
going
to
need
help
with
the
city,
and
I
imagine
that
veronica
is
going
to
be
discussing
this
as
she
speaks
in
other
places
with
municipal
league.
But
there
are
a
couple
of
other
things
you
all
I've.
I've
looked
at.
I
know
I've
seen
gov
port's
ordinance
at
one
time.
I
saw
a
draft
of
it.
I
Their
attorney
shared
with
that
with
us
that
some
time
ago
came
up
with
met
with
us
before
they
ever
tried
to
pass
an
ordinance.
I've
seen
the
things
that
you
all
are
trying
to
do,
which
I
mean
I
admire,
where
you're
trying
to
put
noise
ordinances
into
place,
you're
trying
to
require
a
certain
amount
of
insurance
that
homeowners
have
to
have.
I
I
I
We
help
the
counties
with
that
every
day,
but
you
know
at
some
point
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
how
much
homestead
exemption
has
to
go
away,
because
if
you've
got
a
city
permit
to
have
a
short-term
rental,
you
don't
get
homestead
exemption
anymore.
So
therefore,
in
most
places
your
property
taxes
have
now
at
least
doubled.
I
I
Now
we're
in
the
process
of
trying
to
figure
out
how
we're
going
to
make
that
happen
for
power
companies,
gas
utilities,
everybody
else!
It's
not
that
I
rented
it
oh,
but
I
only
do
this
lenel
a
couple
of
weeks
out
of
the
year.
Only
during
you
know
a
festival
down
here,
whatever.
No
I'm.
That's
not
what
the
wreck
says.
You
do
any
rental
of
that
home.
You've
lost
all.
You
know
the
lady
that
has
a
beauty
shop
on
her
home
and
has
it
all
on.
One
meter
has
no
exemption
for
her
utilities.
I
Okay,
so
have
you
gone
that
far
and
count?
And
you
don't
I'm
not
asking
for
anybody
to
answer
this
record,
but
have
you
gone
that
far
in
your
council
meetings
to
have
already
put
in
place
that
there's
no
more?
Have
you
matched
up
your
list
of
short-term
rentals
to
your
water
billings
and
now
put
tax
on
those
accounts?
I
Okay,
so,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
be
speaking
about
that
in
different
municipalities
and
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
of
people
that
say
well
now
I
don't
have
any
sales
tax
exemption
on
my
utilities
and
my
gas
water
electricity.
Do
I
really
want
to
do
this
and
I
know,
as
I
spoke
to
some
of
you
all
we
talked
about
from
year
to
year.
This
may
change,
they
may
decide
one
year.
They
want
to
have
a
short-term
rental
permit
and
then
the
next
year
they
don't
well.
I
I
If
I
don't
really
have
serious
commercial
property
that
I
bought
with
the
intent
of
doing
this,
why
in
the
world
I
mean,
is
it
making
enough
money
to
give
up
and
pay
double
my
property
taxes
or
greater,
and
is
it
worth
me
having
to
pay
sales
tax
on
all
of
my
utilities?
Now,
so
I
don't
know
the
answer
to
that,
it
would
be.
You
know
how.
I
I
The
question
of
how
are
you
handling
this
well
we're
working
on
it,
so
water
billings
seem
to
be
the
easiest
where
cities
are
requiring
permits
for
short-term
rentals,
because
I've
got
some
cities
that
aren't
anywhere
near
where
you
are
and
having
ordinances
for
the
way
that
you
all
are
putting
this
into
place
on
the
coast
and
how
you're
trying
to
monitor
that.
So
I
do
admire
you
all
for
taking
the
steps
to
protect
homeowners
to
make
sure
that
people
are
safe
everything
from
noise
to
insurance.
I
mean
it's
a
lot
of
questions.
I
I
A
A
You
don't
have
any
extra
money
laying
around
so
you're,
going
to
put
this
burden
on
on
somebody
in
the
city
and
likely
in
another
rock,
on
the
back
of
somebody
in
the
department
of
revenue,
probably
already
strapped,
for
manpower,
trying
to
do
what
you
can
to
make
progress
and
act
rather
than
react.
Well,.
I
Please
understand
we
will
be
available
for
any
group
of
renters
if
you,
if
you
pull
your
renters
together,
those
that
have
permits,
if
you
want
educational
opportunities
for
them,
we'll
be
happy
to
come
here
and
provide
a
speaker
to
answer
questions
directly
from
them.
If
that
would
be
helpful,
we're
at
your
disposal
as
far
as
education
for
for
your
taxpayers
here.
So
if
there's
anything
that
you
do
as
a
group,
maybe
I
don't
know
if
that's
through
a
realtor's
group
or
you
know.
However,
you
might
want
to
pull
that
together.
C
I
Well,
this,
if
you're
familiar
with
the
wayfarer
decision
that
basically
brought
in
the
internet
sales
piece
this
past
two
two
years
ago.
The
way
for
the
supreme
court
overturned
a
coil
decision,
and
that
was,
I
believe,
south
dakota
versus
wayfair,
and
when
the
supreme
court
overturned
that
decision.
I
That
decision
had
said
that,
if
you
didn't
have
physical
presence
in
a
state
and
you
were
selling
into
the
state
via
internet
sales,
there
was
no
liability
to
collect
any
sales
tax
for
the
states
and
there
had
been
a
lot
of
push
from
retailers
all
over.
You
know
saying
it's
an
unfair
playing
field,
and
so
a
lot
of
pressure
had
been
put,
and
so
the
lawsuit
finally
occurred
and
happened
and
rolled
up
supreme
court
and
they
overturned
a
quill
decision
from
many
years
ago.
I
I
Okay,
no
sales
tax
had
ever
been
collected
on
that
when
this
bill
passed,
that
company
had
to
be
registered
and
many
others
like
it
so
other
places
that
we
routinely
were
buying
online.
We
had
some
companies,
big
companies
that
came
forth
and
voluntary
collected,
but
maybe
not
the
marketplace,
meaning
it
wasn't
their
products
or
it
wasn't
their
company,
but
they
also
had
other
people
that
sell
on
these
platforms.
I
So
now
that
tax
is
just
growing
more
and
more
so,
basically,
we
had
a
piece
of
the
pie
after
the
wayfarer
decision
went
now.
We
have
a
hundred
percent
of
the
pie,
so
any
of
those
sales
happening
online
now
have
to
have
sales
tax
collected
on
them
and
so
that
brought
into
play
all
of
these
facilitators
that
handle
third
party
rentals
of
homes.
That
sort
of
thing.
So
that's
what
I
was
speaking.
K
I
I
Mr
lawrence,
are
you
an
attorney?
Are
you
an
attorney?
Okay?
I
I'm
not
so
I'm
not
I'm
not
going
yes,
but,
but
I
do
I
do
have
a.
I
do
have
a
chief
of
our
legal
division
that
mike
could
answer
that
better.
I
I
cannot
speak
to
whether
or
not
that
is
a
a
legal
contract
for
an
outside
company
that
doesn't
have
nexus
in
the
state
of
mississippi
to
contract.
With
me
to
rent
my
home,
I
really
can't
speak
to
the
legality
of
that.
I
I
I
I
J
I
G
I
I
Okay,
but
if
you're
on
a
platform
that
money
is
already
being
paid,
any
business
that
walks
in
down
here
in
the
biloxi
comes
into
the
city
hall
to
get
also
a
city
permit
correct
to
do
business,
to
sell
tpp
or
to
rent
whatever
is
subject
to
sales
tax.
The
city
gets
a
listing
of
that
every
month.
If
they
are
registered
with
us
at
the
department
of
revenue,
the
city
can
match
their
list
against
our
list.
Okay,
and
that
way
the
clerk
knows.
I
I
We
gave
a
permit
to
this
little
boutique
at
such
and
such
address,
and
I
don't
see
them
on
my
city
diversion
list
and
so
veronica's
going
to
go
in
there
and
find
out
if
they
didn't
complete
their
registration
correctly,
because
you
know
what
they
could
have
marked
outside
the
city
limits
and
your
clerk
is
right.
You
weren't
getting
any
money
for
that.
L
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
president.
I'm
going
to
be
very
brief.
Milton
cegara
from
coastal,
mississippi
apartment
rentals
will
continue
to
grow,
we're
a
perfect
destination
for
that.
That's
and
we're
leaving
millions
of
dollars
on
the
table
right
now,
a
potential
solution
and
I'm
glad
the
politicians
are
taking
the
necessary
steps
to
make
it
happen
in
terms
of
the
law
and
the
structure.
L
But
this
could
be
a
possible
solution.
One-Third
one-third
of
all
the
taxes
in
the
state
of
mississippi
in
terms
of
hospitality
and
tourism
are
generated
here.
This
is
a
significant
portion
for
that.
In
our
case,
room
tax
is
our
main
source
of
revenue.
This
is
very
important
to
us
to
our
president.
It's
part
of
our
goals
this
year,
but
here's
a
potential
solution
recognizing
the
importance
of
that.
Why
don't
we
do
a
task
force?
L
L
Being
this
so
important,
can
we
allocate
some
of
that
money
and
create
a
task
force
based
here
in
the
coast,
so
we
can
put
in
place
the
the
law
that
is
going
to
be
approved
and
really
because
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
get
the
law
and
everything
the
the
key
will
be
to
execute
that
to
to
to
to
enforce
that.
So,
if
we're
talking
about
one
third
of
all
the
revenue,
why
don't
we
do
something
together?
Let's
do
a
task
force
between
the
dor
coastal.
Mississippi
is
more
than
happy
to
do.
L
I'm
sure
some
others
as
well
and
let's
deal
with
that
part
of
of
the
situation
together,
and
I
think
that
will
will
send
a
very
strong
message
to
the
rest
of
the
state
and
believe
we're
going
to
collect
that
money.
We're
in
our
case
we're
talking
about
more
than
a
million
dollars
just
just
in
room
tax
revenue
from
us.
So
I'm
just
want
to
share
that
bring
that
possibility.
I
don't
know
if
that's
legal
possible
or
not.
K
I
You
know
I
went
up
to
a
tourism
group
in
north
mississippi
with
veronica
a
few
years
ago,
and
that
might
be
very
helpful
for
you
all
for
us
to
come
in
and
to
go
through
a
return
and
actually
show
you
how
this
is
put
together,
how
it
comes
out
on
a
return
and
how
the
diversion
happens
behind
the
scene.
I
think
that
might
be
very
helpful.
K
K
K
Small
businesses
like
miss
wilson's,
that
were,
let's
say,
she's
in
gulfport,
but
she's
doing
business
in
biloxi
and
gulfport,
not
just
short-term
rentals.
But
let's
say
you
have
a
small
business
that
has
a
business
in
ocean
springs,
biloxi,
gulfport,
pascagoula
and
at
the
end
of
the
month
you
just
had
them
registered
online,
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
if
this
is
possible
or
not,
their
main
business
is
registered
in
ocean
springs,
but
they're
collecting
taxes
and
all
foreign.
F
F
Am
I
going
okay
when
we
started
the
company
in
2007,
my
boss?
I
was
not
there.
I
didn't
come
until
11.,
however,
it
was
just
a
few
condos
in
gulfport
and
over
time
it
has
grown.
So
it's
been
the
same
sales
tax
id
number
for
many
years
now.
Just
recently,
y'all
have
overridden
my
account
to
where
I
can
do
it
for
biloxi
and
gulfport,
but
I'm
under
tax
codes.
F
F
K
I
E
F
E
Are
required
if
it
is
a
if
they're
selling
tangible
personal
property
they
are
required
to
have
a
permit
for
each
of
the
locations.
Now
the
rental
companies
for
the
bed
and
breakfasts
or
home
rentals.
That
is
different,
but
it
is
knowing
up
front
if
we
need
to
know
up
front
that
if
they
are
renting
homes
or
if
they're
a
platform
from
homes
that
way,
we
can
set
it
up
and
program
the
system
to
where
they
can
file
the
distribution
by
city.
Well,
miss
miss
smith.
C
Many
of
these
start
with
one
house
or
one
location
and
it's
in
gulfport,
and
then
they
expand
and
they
pick
up
more
properties
in
different
areas.
So
when
they
originally
set
it
up,
it
would
just
be
in
one
city.
How
do
we
account
for
somebody
that
expands
their
rental
program
into
multiple
municipalities.
E
So
we
would
rely
on
some
of
you
to
help
us
when
they
come
in
to
renew
their
permit
each
year.
You
can
ask
them
if
anything
has
changed
and
then
they
can.
Let
us
know
if
anything
has
changed.
So
we
just
need
communication,
we're
here
to
help
you
all.
If
you
all
call
us
and
you
think,
there's
some
and
many
times
other
cities
do
it,
they,
let
us
know,
hey,
we
don't
think
we're
getting
an
adequate
amount
of
revenue
and
and
we'll
ask
them.
C
Is
there
a
way
to
have
somebody
that
is
applying
to
have
a
property
in
a
second
municipality
such
as
biloxi
from
when
they
started
in
gulfport,
to
show
us
any
verification
that
they've
updated
that
with
you?
Is
there
anything
they
can
give
us
to
demonstrate
that
they
have
updated
it
with
the
department
of
revenue
that
they
are
now
in
multiple
cities,
instead
of
just
their
origination
city.
E
If
they
they
can
contact
us
or
they
can
with
with
the
rentals.
They
may
not
have
anything
substantial
to
present
to
you,
but
also
the
city
can
contact
our
department,
direct
and
say
hey,
although
we
may
not
share
all
of
their
pertinent
and
confidential
information
with
you,
but
we
will
research
that
behind
the
scenes
and
when
you
all,
let
us
know
that
you
have
information
that
they
are
in
multiple
cities.
I
I
D
Yeah
most
of
my
questions
were
answered,
but
I
am
interested
in
that
workshop
to
understand
that
breakdown,
and
I
appreciate
you
guys
coming
here,
giving
us
this
information.
It's
shining
a
whole
new
light
on
a
whole
lot
of
things
that
that
are
out
there.
So
if
we
can
get
a
date,
mr
president,
to
get
her
back
here
to
kind
of
give
us
that
workshop
to
show
us
that
break
what.
C
I
would
do,
and
I
think
you
you
suggested
that
ms
smith
was
part
of
that-
also
correct.
If,
if
you
would
check
your
calendars
and
let
us
know
when
you're
available,
so
we
can
try
to
coordinate
with
the
city
and
get
the
council
a
date
in
which
you
guys
are
available
to
come
back
down.
Mr
duke,
I
don't
know
if
you
had
something
to
contribute,
I
we
appreciate
you
coming
down
to
what
some
call
the
southernmost
portion
of
the
state
and
what
others
call
the
greatest
city
in
the
state
tomatoes
to
mottos.
D
M
M
Luckily,
we
did
move
before
katrina
hit
because
the
apartments
that
we
lived
in
were
completely
washed
away.
So
just
a
couple
of
things
just
to
reiterate
number
one,
the
several
times
the
question
was
asked
about.
You
know
what
do
we
do
about
these
taxes
going
back
to?
I
think
it
was
07,
because
the
the
number
of
rooms
per
facility
was
changed
in
in
the
bill.
M
As
far
as
the
platforms
being
involved
house
bill
379,
I
believe
it
is
that
was
passed
june
30th
that
went
into
effect
july
1st.
That's
the
one
that
required
your
companies
like
expedia
and
priceline,
to
register
to
collect
our
taxes
prior
to
that
we
didn't
have
any
ability
to
hold
them
liable
for
that.
So
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
go
back
past
this
july.
M
M
M
It
sounds
like
trying
to
put
the
burden
of
knowing
what
tax
rate
to
charge
back
on
the
homeowner
is
concerning,
and
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
going
to
have
to
try
to
work
on
and
and
work
with
these
with
these
third-party
companies
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
what
their
liability
is,
and
you
know,
help
them
to
understand
that
they
don't
they
shouldn't,
be
relying
on
that
individual
to
tell
them
hey.
You
got
to
charge
this
tax
on
my
behalf.
I
I
We
all
know
that
this
happens
differently
in
louisiana
different
in
alabama,
and
so
when
we
told
some
companies,
no
you
collect
it.
All
it
comes
in
on
one
return:
the
department
of
revenue
does
all
the
diversion
they're
very
surprised
about
that
and
they're
typically
relieved.
Okay,
because,
like
it's
that
simple,
it's
that
simple,
the
return's
a
little
complicated.
I
You
got
to
list
them
all
out
here,
but
it's
that
simple
and
there
we
don't
have
to
file
multiple
returns
and
all
the
no
it
comes
in
on
one
return,
so
I
might
also
say
and
not
in
defense,
but
I
think
maybe
some
of
that.
Confusion
too
could
be
that
they're
writing
something
generic
on
this.
Where
this,
you
know
it's
not
about
just
one
state
that
they're
trying
to
put
information
out
for
I
think
that
could
be
causing
some
of
the
confusion
because
it
doesn't
happen
in
alabama.
I
This
way
with
the
same
company
doesn't
happen
the
same
way
in
louisiana,
so
we're
right
next
to
one
another,
and
I
just
wanted
to
throw
that
out
there.
So
I
think
you
know
in
in
our
conversation
with
some
of
these
companies
through
registration
and
issues
too.
I
think
we
can
also
relay
to
them
some
of
the
things
we've
heard
here
today.
C
K
I
just
want
to
address
what
you
just
said.
I
I
know
a
lot
about
online
sales
tax
because
I
own
an
online
company
and
one
you
just
mentioned
that
it's
different
in
louisiana
and
alabama,
but
anybody
that
has
an
online
company
that
does
a
substantial
amount
of
sales.
There's
software's
out
there
that
set
up
and
when
that
goes
in
that
software
automatically
sends
that
in
and
does
whatever
you
know,
files
whatever
the
laws
for
mississippi
are
and
whatever
the
laws
for
alabama
are
and
the
difference
and
at
the
end
of
the
month.
K
All
I
do
is
hit
a
button
and
it
basically
submits
all
that
and
then
or
breaks
it
all
down
for
me,
and
all
I
have
to
do
is
send
it
into
the
individual
states,
and
I
think
I
think,
there's
like
43
states
in
america
that
that
are
under
nexus
laws,
if
I'm,
if
I
or
it,
was
somewhere
around
there
that
have
nexus
laws
that
I
have
to
pay
sales
tax
to
the
other.
Seven
don't
have
anything
we
don't
have
to
collect
it.
K
M
M
In
this
case
it's
a
little
different
plus
you're
dealing
with
you
know
them
figuring
out
how
to
report
where
the
property
is
to
those
to
those
companies
and
and
making
sure
that
they're
correcting
the
correct
tax
a
lot
of
what
they
do
is
they
put
together
a
tax
matrix
based
on
location,
so
they
know
what
what
all
the
combined
rates
are
for
every
location
and
again,
unfortunately,
mississippi
is
new
to
that
arena
for
them.
So
they've
never
had
to
do
that.
K
B
Just
in
the
last
two
weeks,
we've
submitted
a
list
of
all
300
plus
short-term
rentals
down
to
the
water
department,
and
those
water
bills
are
now
being
and
the
sales
tax
is
being
added
to
the
water
bill.
So
with
we
were
not
aware
of
that.
We
were
aware
of
the
the
the
issue
with
avalor
tax
and
and
homestead
exemption,
but
that,
but
it
was
only
a
tip
that
we
got
from
department
revenue
that
allowed
us
to
get
caught
up
here
on
this
utility
building.
No.