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From YouTube: Special Called Council Meeting, April 23, 2019
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Here is the full video of the Special Called City Council meeting that was held at 10:30 a.m. on Tuesday, April 23, 2019 at Biloxi City Hall. The meeting was held to discuss the Ordinance to amend the Biloxi Land Development Ordinance regarding short-term rentals. No action was taken during the special meeting.
A
Into
the
bloody
City
Council
meeting
special
meeting
today,
Tuesday
at
10:30
a.m.
I
need
a
motion
on
the
agenda
move
by
mr.
Lawrence.
Second,
second,
by
dr.
Tisdale,
any
questions
have
been
saying:
none
all
in
favor,
say:
5-0
motion
carry
presentation
agenda,
mayor's
report
no
report
from
the
mayor
from
the
council,
mr.
Lawrence
mr.
Newman,
dr.
A
A
C
Hi,
my
name
is
suzanne
huber,
guyot
I
live
at
143,
6-0
John
Lee
Road
in
Biloxi.
My
question
is
I
hope
you
explained
the
reasoning
or
logic
behind
adding
a
conditional
use
to
the
commercial
business.
Zoning
I'm
still
unclear
on
why
that's
added,
instead
of
just
allowing
the
business
license
and
the
occupancy
license
to
identify
the
short-term
rentals.
C
The
conditional
use
application
on
to
some
community
or
building
that
already
has
a
right
used
by
Wright,
doesn't
really
make
sense,
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
the
logic
behind
adding
another
layer
to
them
and
basically
taking
away
some
of
their
rights
as
they
will
not
be
able
to
sell
in
the
future,
and
they
actually
purchased
with
this
business
in
mind
to
be
able
to
do
short-term
rentals.
So
that's
all
I
need
for
today.
Thank.
D
Good
morning,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
that
you
again
recognize
that
we
have
48
doors
at
Cypress,
Cove
that
all
open
up
into
a
common
area,
and
we
would
appreciate
if
you
would
agree
with
the
Planning
and
Zoning
committee,
that
we
are
not
the
condominium
place
that
could
use
short
term.
Rentals.
We've
had
some
real
issues
and
we
would
all
like
to
just
retire
in
peace
and
we're
asking
you
to
vote
that
Cypress
Cove
not
be
allowed
to
have
short-term
runoff
Thanks.
Thank.
E
I
think
my
comments
were
pretty
much
summed
up
the
last
Tuesday.
We
met
on
this
same
issue
and
then
I
sent
each
one
of
you,
an
email
which
I
hope
you
got
it
memorialized
the
same
thing
that
I
said
so
I.
Don't
need
to
repeat
it,
but
the
bottom
line
on
that
is:
let's
keep
the
sanctity
of
the
residential
zones,
including
multifamily
I.
Think
it's
important
most
of
those
back
right
up
to
single-family.
We
don't
need
that
encroaching.
We
don't
need
to
have
the
possibility
in
the
future
of
a
conditional
use
being
granted.
E
Neighborhoods,
even
if
they're
on
highway
90,
because
they've
been
there
for
a
long
time,
I
represent
the
Marva
family
and
I
have
worked
with
both
Cypress
Cove
and
other
folks
in
and
around
that
neighborhood,
and
they
are
very
concerned
that
their
single-family
neighborhood
is
going
to
be
affected
adversely,
as
it
has
been
in
the
past.
So
I
appreciate
the
consideration
during
the
workshop
of
making
all
of
the
residential
areas,
no
matter
what
they
are
rm20
rm30
included,
in
particular
in
the
area
where
they
are
prohibited.
E
F
Hello,
my
name
is
James
cash
Oh
when
I
live
a
Cypress
Cove
people
don't
understand
that
all
our
doors
open
up
to
the
common
areas
and
when
we
live
here
and
when
you
have
vacation
and
people
there,
they're
making
noise
you're
jumping
in
the
pool
screaming
holler
and
and
my
door
is
six
feet
from
the
pool
and
if
I
would
have
known
that
I
would
help.
You
know
if
I
known
this
there's
gonna
be
allowed
to
happen.
I
would
have
bought
a
unit
towards
the
back.
F
So
this
is
the
reason
why
I
don't
think
we
need
to
have
vacation
people
short-term
rentals
to
Cypress
Cove,
because
it
you
know,
we
all
work.
We
live
there
and
it's
just
it's
just
not
fair
for
us
to
have
to
deal
with
vacationers.
Just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
had
to
go
out.
There
were
six
children
in
the
pool
unaccompanied
throwing
the
pool
equipment
inside
the
pool,
coke
cans.
Jumping
off
the
fence
in
the
pool
and
I
had
to
go
out
there
and
get
them
down.
F
The
mothers
had
to
come
out
and
I
told
him.
I
said:
can
you
please
keep
an
eye
on
your
children?
These
were
kids
like
5
6
to
8
years
old,
and
if
something
would
have
happened,
our
HOA
would
have
been
sued.
So
this
is
why
I
don't
think
it's
fair
to
us
to
have
to
deal
with
this
and
anything
you
could
do
to
help
us
would
be
greatly
appreciated.
F
G
Hi,
my
name
is
Benjamin
Simms
I
live
at
145
Gill
Avenue
in
Biloxi
I'm
here
to
talk
about
the
bill.
That's
on
the
agenda
today,
not
Cypress
Cove
down
the
road,
my
wife
from
Kelly
and
I
own
multiple
properties
in
Biloxi,
some
of
which
we've
used
for
short
term
rentals,
servicing
the
needs
of
families
seeking
a
home
versus
a
motel
or
casino
Keesler
spouses,
family
seeking
proximity
of
their
training,
military
members
cruising
the
coast,
vacationers
and
other
screened.
G
Airbnb
tenants
before
you
today
is
a
flawed
bill
with
well
and
put
together
by
a
well
intentioned
staff.
The
fact
is,
there
had
been
17
total
applications
put
in
an
entire
city
before
this
came
on
the
agenda
and
now,
as
a
result
of
just
the
threat
of
the
fine
going
up
to
$500
a
day.
As
of
the
last
meeting
I
attended
director
Creole
indicated
over
a
hundred
and
seventy
applications
had
come
in
in
uses
by
right.
G
Making
a
unit
by
the
month,
it'll
is
going
to
make
any
unit.
The
bill
is
a
misunderstanding
as
to
what
the
issue
the
short
term
operators
have
with
your
process.
It
is
not
registering.
It
is
not
paying
an
annual
fee
meeting
fire
compliance
meeting
guest
registry
compliance.
It
is
the
failure
of
the
way
the
conditional
use
standards
are
applied
through
the
whim
of
neighbors,
sometimes
blocks
away
to
simply
impose
their
will
on
other
citizens
use
of
the
property.
The
conditional
use
does
not
appear
to
be
the
best
method
to
go
about.
G
Taking
these,
what
now
appear
to
be
condominiums,
primarily
in
some
apartments
and
getting
them
under
compliance.
I,
don't
think
the
best
use
of
a
14-member
non
elected
board
to
sit
through
every
two
weeks
for
months
potentially
years
for
hundreds
of
conditional
use
applications
every
time
ownership
transfers
over,
which
is
what
this
bill
would
do,
would
require
as
soon
as
ownership
transfers
over
the
same
condo
in
a
building
that
has
every
other
unit.
G
Theoretically,
approved
still
goes
up
and
has
to
the
chance
that
a
neighbor
can
come
in
and
just
not
want
that
particular
unit,
and
if
it's
the
wrong
neighbor,
then
the
committee
goes
the
other
way.
I
really
think
that
this
this
council
should
look
at
a
rewrite
of
the
bill
with
taking
the
good
things.
G
Certainly,
the
implementing
the
fines
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
get
people
on
record,
but
things
I
just
got
too
much
for
three
minutes
as
all
there's
so
much
to
say
about
this,
but
I
really
think
you
should
set
up
a
separate
Council
or
administrative
process
that
is
focused
entirely
on
short-term
rentals.
Not
trying
to
apply
these
macro
conditional
use,
applications
to
every
application
of
the
city
and
I
got
lots
more
to
say.
If
you
all,
let
me
come
back
up,
but
thank
you
very
much.
All.
I
H
Is
a
residential,
neighborhood
and
I'd
like
to
protect
the
sanctity
of
that
residential
neighborhood
by
eliminating
short
term
rentals,
in
particular
when
it
comes
to
condominiums
I,
don't
see
the
basis
that
once
you
provide
once
you
allow
one
residence
or
one
unit
in
a
condominium
project,
what
the
basis
would
be
to
deny
other
units
or
property
owners.
Therefore,
you
end
up
creating
a
cont
among
an
apartment,
a
hotel
or
a
motel
environment,
not
not
a
multi-family
environment,
and
it's
my
feeling.
H
J
Also
understand
I
think
I
have
more
than
anyone
else
in
the
audience,
a
unique
perspective
from
being
able
to
sit
there
and
try
to
see
your
problems
and
your
the
levels
about
how
to
deal
with
this
issue.
The
as
I
understand
it.
The
biggest
concern
that
everyone
seems
to
have
is
when
we
start
looking
at
apartment
complexes
and
start
looking
at
condominium
developments
that
were
in
commercial
zones.
H
J
Go
through
the
uncertainty
of
trying
to
invest
80
to
a
hundred
to
one
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollars
only
maybe
and
then
hope
that
things
work
out,
because
that's
what
happens
with
the
conditional
use
process,
contrary
to
what
anybody
says,
nothing
is
guaranteed
in
that
process.
It's
a
case-by-case
basis
allowing
the
council
allowing
the
Planning
Commission
to
look
at
each
case
by
case
when
you
don't
have
a
permitted
use
of
area,
then
what
you're
doing
is
opening
up
the
entire
city
to
short-term
rental
applications.
If
that's
the
one
want
to
do
them.
J
My
concern
is
that
no
one
will
basically
want
to
go
and
invest
that
kind
of
money
and
hopefully
come
in
go
through
a
process
that
may
take
anywhere
from
six
to
nine
days
and
if
they
have
to
table
it
whatever.
But
now
you
spent
the
money
and
then
only
found
out.
You
can't
do
anything
with
it.
That's
not
reasonable!
That's
not
fair
the
whole
purpose
of
going
through
making
an
area
permit.
It
is
that
you
go
through
and
land.
J
You
are
encouraging
those
folks
who
want
to
do
a
development
to
go
to
a
specific
area
where
it
is
allowed.
If
you
take
that
away,
then
the
entire
city
is
open
up.
If
you
keep
it
in
there,
no
source
will
gradually
go
to
the
commercial
districts,
so
instead
of
killing
the
entire
industry
or
creating
such
market
uncertainty
with
investors
that
they
can't
do
anything,
then
I
would
ask
you
to
the
concern
is
to
leave
the
condominiums
and
apartment
complexes.
I.
Think
the
president
has
a
amendment
that
would
probably
solve
that
problem.
J
Basically,
looking
at
any
units
for
more,
they
would
go
have
to
go
through
a
conditional
use
if
they
were
in
even
in
a
commercial
district
that
puts
that
control
back
into
you,
because
there's
not
a
condominium
apartment
complex
around
that
doesn't
have
more
than
four
units
long
parts.
So
you
get
to
that,
but
in
order
to
make
this
workable,
you
got
to
do
this
and
I
know
that.
J
My
last
point
is
simply
this
I
know
that
the
thinking
is
that,
because
we're
going
to
make
everything
conditional,
you
see
how
many
people
have
come
in
and
and
applied.
Well,
I,
look
at
just
the
opposite.
People
understand
that
this
is
gonna,
be
conditional.
Usage
may
not
ever
happen.
So
if
you
want
to
get
in
and
try
to
get
in
now,
but
make
it
conditional.
K
Come
on
Dennis
Smith,
164,
Beach,
Boulevard
Biloxi,
the
the
ordinance
that
you're
talking
about
changing,
it's
always
been
there
and
the
conditional
use
has
always
been
there.
The
condition
of
use
has
it
been
used,
it
works.
It
should
be
used,
there's
no
sense
and
throw
the
baby
out
with
the
bathwater,
because
you
want
to
accomplish
certain
things
with
short-term
rentals
to
just
crush
everybody's
property
values.
Who's
already
has
commercial
property
through
the
years
and
put
real
estate
companies
out
of
business
and
to
just
stymie
the
development
of
Biloxi.
K
You
know
amend
the
ordinance.
That's
fine,
maybe
tweak
it,
but
there's
got
to
be
some
type
of
exception
in
here,
where
you
could
protect
future
development
and
still
protect
people's
property
value
from
older
developments
and
put
the
condition
of
use
where
it
belongs.
It's
always
been
there.
It
just
hadn't
been
used,
use
it
in
the
cases
where
it
needs
to
be.
Whenever
there's
an
exception
in
the
area.
That's
perhaps
an
armed
third
residential.
Well
use
it
that's
great!
K
But
if
it's
this
commercial
property,
it's
got
to
have
the
right
to
short
term
or
it's
it's,
not
commercial
property.
That's
really!
Basically,
all
I
have
to
say
changing
things
and
stepping
up
rules
to
make
things
better,
more
control
and
short
term.
That's
all
great
ideas,
but
this
is
kind
of
arcane
Ian's,
just
crush
everything
in
development
of
Biloxi
over
the
idea
that
somebody's
gonna
get
into
short
term
in
a
short-term
rental
that
shouldn't
be
you've
got
you
already
got
the
safeguards
in
place
for
that
you're,
not
gonna.
K
L
Jim
York,
1664,
Beach,
Boulevard
I
just
want
to
say,
as
an
investor
I
would
really
like
to
buy
another
condo
or
two
in
commercial
area.
The
problem
is
now:
if
I
try
to
buy
it,
there's
a
roadblock,
because
you
know
what
I
have
to
write
a
contingency
against
that
piece
of
property
until
it's
approved
to
be
a
short-term
rental,
so
it
makes
it
very
difficult.
L
For
me,
that's
kind
of
a
roadblock
that
makes
me
say:
do
I
really
want
to
invest
here,
because
if
I
have
to
go
through
a
roadblock
each
time,
I
buy
something
in
commercial
business.
It's
not
worth
it
and
I'm,
not
the
only
investor.
That
would
say
that.
There's
many
out
there
that
say
the
exact
same
thing.
L
Any
kind
of
conditional
use
to
become
a
barber
I
go
down
and
get
my
license
and
I'm
a
barber
tomorrow,
we're
just
looking
for
the
same
thing
and
to
be
treated
the
same
way
in
commercial
business.
I
agree,
300
percent
when
it
comes
to
residential
and
in
the
areas
that
really
shouldn't
have
short
term
rentals
in
it.
I
agree
with
that,
but
with
commercial
business,
there's
a
lot
of
heartburn
from
a
lot
of
people.
Regarding
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time
today
appreciate
it.
I
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
comments.
You
know.
I
know
we
have
the
you
know
the
existing
ordinance.
We
feel
as
difficult
and
causes
complications.
I
almost
feel
like
it's
the
motor
vehicle
for
higher
reincarnated
a
little
bit,
but
so
that
the
the
two
options
that
were
we're
kind
of
considering
the
two
major
options,
among
others,
as
far
as
what
qualifies
for
short-term
rentals,
is
going
from
neighborhood
business,
commercial,
business,
regional
business,
downtown
and
waterfront,
which
is
all
allowed
by
right,
correct,
changing
that
to
conditional
use.
I
So
there
has
to
be
an
application
for
that
and
I
believe
what
mister
hinson
is
saying
is
to
take.
The
conditional
use
component
of
your
r20
are
rm30,
which,
primarily,
if
you
get
that
that's
for
apartment,
living
and
people
that
are
living
and
working
in
the
Biloxi
area
and
making
those
that
know
and
grouping
them
in
the
same
category
of
single
single-family
homes.
I
I
I
Do
we
get
strict
and
say
rm20
and
r30?
It's
not
allowed
I,
don't
know
if
at
this
time
we
should
make
that
decision.
We
can
always
come
back
to
the
table
if
we
see
conditions
in
our
area
weren't
that
I
kind
of
like
the
proposal
of
making
going
from
yes
to
conditional
use
for
neighborhood
business,
commercial,
business
and
others,
because
it
allows
us
some
oversight
to
approve
that
new
business
or
that
new
environment
going
into
a
certain
area.
I
As
we've
seen
at
council
meetings,
there
are
conditions
such
as
residential
populations
in
and
around
an
area
that
that's
wanting
to
move
to
short-term
rentals
and
that
should
be
weighed
and
considered
when
there's
heavy
commercial
or
hotels,
motels
or
it
it
seems,
there's
a
need
for
it.
Then
we
should
logically
follow
that
path
and
and
approve
the
short-term
rental
application.
So
it's
a
complex
issue.
I
It's
a
very
emotional
issue
when
you're
talking
about
property
owners
and
their
investments
and
what
they
feel
they
should
be
allowed
to
do
with
their
property,
and
but
the
owners
in
and
around
that
area
also
have
rights
and
quiet
enjoyment
on
what
they
invested
in
that
property
too.
So
it's
not
going
to
be
easy
on
what
we
have
to
decide
as
a
council
as
we
move
to
where
our
meeting
later
on
this
afternoon,
if
we
do
anything
to
make
the
changes.
B
B
I
just
would
make
an
observation
that
it's
interesting,
that
some
investors
have
in
fact
rolled
the
dice
by
purchasing
properties
and
then
operating
them
as
short-term
rentals
for
a
number
of
months,
perhaps
years
and
then
only
recently
have
applied
for
permits
and
that
they
purchased
these
properties
with
a
large
degree
of
uncertainty
and
now
they're,
hoping
that
the
die
is
cast
their
way
in
their
favor.
Now.
Having
said
that,.
B
It's
mr.
Henson's
proposed
proposal
is
interesting
right
now.
The
current
proposal
from
the
Planning
Commission
is
to
make
all
short-term
rentals
conditional
use,
they're
prohibited
and
single-family
residences
and
conditional
use
currently
in
RM,
20
and
30,
and
RM
20
and
30.
Pretty
much
apartments
is
that
all
that
includes
Jerry's,
just
apartments
in
RM,
20
and
30.
It's
just
the
density
difference
and
I'm
thinking.
If
I
was
going
to
purchase
an
apartment,
it's
going
to
be
my
dwelling,
it's
just
gonna,
be
for
me
and
my
family.
B
B
Requires
some
consideration
I
think
if
you're
operating
a
commercial
business,
which
is
what
a
short-term
rental
is
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
a
problem
with
that
operating
as
or
having
a
right
by
permitting
commercial
zones,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
I
have
any
heart,
I,
don't
think
I
have
any
heartburn
at
all
over
that.
That
would
give
the
market
some
certainty.
B
Then
again,
there's
a
safety
issue
associated
with
having
these
commercial
businesses
inspected
every
year
by
the
fire
department
which,
by
the
way,
puts
an
additional
burden
on
the
fire
department
right
now,
they're
inspecting
14
and
what's
the
current
count,
waiting
in
line
for
short-term
rentals?
In
the
end,
the
application
pile
mr.
krill.
B
200,
okay,
so
number
one.
Even
with
an
air
of
uncertainty,
the
short-term
rental
market
has
been
in
fact
booming.
Okay,
but
now
that
we're
looking
to
regulate
it
number
one
to
get
it
on
the
city's
radar,
so
it
can
be
inspected
and
number
two
to
add
certainties
of
the
market.
We're
trying
to
find
that
solution
that
balance
today
is
anyway
I.
Don't
have
anything
further
to
add
to
the
discussion
at
this
point.
Thank
you.
Mister
guys,.
M
I'm
feeling
the
same
way,
I
mean
I,
understand
what
Planning
Commission
is
trying
to
do,
but
it
does
concern
me
of
putting
more
red
tape
on
the
commercial
side
of
it,
especially
the
condominiums
that
have
been
in
the
process
of
doing
it.
I
think
they
feel
like
it
would
hurt
their
industry
tremendously
and
I.
Think
every
situation
is
different.
So
therefore,
I
understand
the
need
of
wanting
to
do
everything
conditional
use,
but
I
think
everything
is
going
back
towards
Cypress,
Cove
and
you're.
Trying
to
make
everything
be
the
same,
but
yet
is
all
different.
M
Cypress
Cove,
I
think
is
a
totally
different
entity
because
they
have
a
legal
issue
going
on
which
they
need
to
deal
with
their
HOA
and
their
residents,
and
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
us
at
this
moment.
So
I
don't
know,
I
think
it
was
said
that
he
has
some
kind
of
suggestion.
I
would
love
to
hear
that
I
just
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
where
I'm
standing
at
the
moment
with
this
LDO
because
of
those
issues.
N
O
O
We
conducted
several
meetings,
several
discussions
and
you
know
I'll-
remain
an
agreement
that
short-term
rental
should
not
be
allowed
in
single-family
residential
and
that
carried
from
the
beginning
of
the
discussion
to
the
end.
There
was
a
suggestion
that,
well
maybe
we
need
to
create
an
overlay
district
and
after
discussion,
the
Planning
Commission
decided
that
no,
the
overlay
district
would
allow
short-term
rental
in
single-family
zoning,
and
they
did
not
want
that
to
happen
either.
O
O
O
O
Unless
there's
something
unforeseen,
then
they
can
be
considered
for
approval.
Now
one
of
the
things
we
run
into
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
with
Cypress
Cove
right
now,
but
one
of
the
conditions
that's
in
there
says
that
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
have
the
right
to
take
into
consideration
the
surrounding
area
and
whether
or
not
the
short-term
rental
operation
works
well
with
the
surrounding
area.
In
some
cases
it
does
in
some
cases
it
doesn't.
O
The
other
advantage
to
conditional
use
approval
is
that
we
always
have
a
safeguard
in
place.
Conditional
use.
Approval
means
that,
as
long
as
the
operator
is
complying
with
all
the
conditions,
they
can
continue
to
operate,
but
if
they
violate
or
repeatedly
violate
some
of
the
conditions
there,
we
have
the
right
to
take
them
back
before
the
Planning
Commission
and
back
to
the
City
Council,
so
that
the
City
Council
can
either
revoke,
give
them
an
opportunity
to
correct
it,
whatever
the
violation
is
or
ultimately,
the
City
Council
has
the
right
to
revoke
that
conditional
use
permit.
O
O
The
question
came
up
at
one
of
the
Planning
Commission's
about
whether
or
not
short
term
rental
would
be
allowed
to
be
transferred.
If
someone
decided
to
sell
a
unit-
and
the
answer
to
that
question
is
yes,
it
can
be
transferred.
I
was
thinking
about
when
I
answered
that
question
I
was
thinking
about.
Bed-And-Breakfast
bed-and-breakfast
cannot
be
transferred
from
one
owner
to
the
other,
but
because
short-term
rental,
if
it
were
a
conditional
use,
the
conditional
use,
runs
with
the
land.
So
if
someone
buys
a
unit
they
decide,
they
don't
want
to
continue
to
operate
it.
O
O
Some
of
the
neighbors
suggested
at
the
meetings
that
they
had
this
helpless
feeling
that
if
they
were
living
it
up
Shores,
for
example,
and
the
in
the
short-term
rental
was
allowed,
as
he
is
by
right
that
they
didn't
feel
like
they
were
being
protected
or
even
considered.
That
was
one
of
the
statements
that
was
made
again
in
the
situation
where
we
have
permanent
residents
of
Biloxi
living
in
a
complex
with
a
place
where
investors
are
buying
the
remaining
units.
O
The
permanent
residents
feel
that
they're
being
robbed
of
their
ability
to
come
in
and
speak
to
the
council,
the
Planning
Commission
of
the
council
and
tell
them
what
their
concerns
are
or
in
the
case
like
with
Cypress
Cove
Cypress
Cove
was
a
group
that
brought
it
to
our
attention
that
there
was
a
subdivision
restriction
in
their
language.
We
were
not
aware
of
that
until
somebody
produced
one
of
their
contracts
where
they
had
bought
that
unit.
O
O
There
needs
to
be
a
register
being
kept
by
whoever
is
in
charge
so
that
if
we
have
problems
you
know,
we've
had
problems
during
some
special
events
where
there
were
20
people
crammed
into
a
one-bedroom
apartment
for
a
short
event.
We
run
into
that
all
the
time.
Then
the
owner
needs
to
maintain
a
register
so
that
we
can
track.
O
O
One
of
the
changes
recommended
is
the
annual
fee
of
$100.00
and
that's
simply
a
renewal
fee
every
year
for
coming
back
in
or
renewing
your
business
license,
which
is,
is
also
part
of
the
regulations.
They
would
also
have
to
provide
information
about
what
agencies
they
list
with.
You
know
where
they
listed
with
Airbnb
VRBO
home
away,
or
they
listed
with
multiple
agencies.
We
need
to
know
that
information.
O
One
of
the
other
changes
that
we're
recommending
they
would
have
to
have
a
certificate
of
occupancy,
showing
that
it's
now
being
used
for
commercial
purposes,
a
certificate,
a
zoning,
compliance,
a
privilege,
tax
license
and
something
new
we're
producing
occupant
limit
cards.
I
signed
30
this
morning
for
some
of
these
units.
O
Occupant
limit
is
based
on
the
square
footage
in
the
structure
and
the
number
of
approved
exit
doors
that
are
there.
That's
just
standard
building
code,
language
on
any
structure,
regardless
commercial
residential,
whatever
the
number
of
people
that
you
can
put
in
that
unit,
or
that
dwelling
is
based
on
how
many
square
feet
and
how
many
eggs
that
you
have
to
get
in
and
out.
So
this
is
just
complying
with
the
building
code,
as
it's
written.
O
One
of
the
suggestions
that
was
made
was
in
in
lieu
of
us
requiring
the
license
plate
number
of
the
tenants
that
are
staying
there
was
that
a
lot
of
these
people
may
use
uber
or
may
use
a
taxi
to
get
from
wherever
they're
coming
in,
if
they're
flying
in
from
somewhere
to
get
there
and
I
think
this
is
a
is
a
reasonable
recommendation.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing
and
something
that
we
should
have
considered,
rather
than
the
license
plate
number
that
we
say
the
license
plate
number
or
the
driver's
license.
O
Number
and
I've
talked
to
some
of
the
people.
The
real
estate
professionals
that
are
that
are
registering
they
short-term
rental
people
and
they
said
that
they
always
get
a
driver's
license
number.
If
they
don't
get
anything
else,
they
have
that
information
and
that's
not
creating
a
burden
for
them.
O
We
did
make
a
change
recommend
a
change
on
the
number
of
units
that
you
could
have
on
a
single
piece
of
property,
rather
than
say
they
limited
to
four
units.
What
we
did
is
to
actually
change
that
to
make
sure
that
they're
complying
with
the
density
limits
that
are
already
in
the
land
development
ordinance
that,
in
the
case
of
rm20
or
rm30,
what
that
means
is
20
units
per
acre
or
30
units
per
acre
or
whatever
the
commercial
zoning
would
would
allow
it's
already
in
the
regulations.
O
O
For
any
short
term
units
that
are
approved,
this
is
also
a
change:
the
city
of
Biloxi.
In
addition
to
notifying
the
hotel
and
wrote
motel
Association,
Hotel
and
Lodging
Association,
which
we
already
do,
we
will
notify
the
State
Department
of
Revenue
and
the
Harrison
County
tax
assessor,
because
text
assessments
are
based
on
the
use
of
a
piece
of
property,
not
on
the
zoning,
and
if
what
was
a
single-family
structure
being
used
for
residential
purposes
is
now
being
used
as
a
commercial
venue.
O
O
Both
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
staff
believe
that
the
conditional
use
change
is
necessary
and
I'm.
Looking
at
this,
not
only
from
a
economic
development
standpoint
as
y'all
know,
I
fight
for
economic
development
projects
and
I
certainly
don't
try
to
fight
against
anything.
That's
reasonable,
but
I'm
having
to
look
at
this,
not
just
from
an
economic
development
standpoint,
but
all
the
way
through
our
process
to
a
code
enforcement
standpoint
as
well.
O
How
do
we,
how
do
we
enact
code
enforcement
on
situations
where
someone
may
be
operating
and
we're
not
even
aware
of
it,
so
I'm
considering
the
whole
process,
the
whole
development
process
from
start
to
finish,
we've
had
investors
that
came
in
and
said
that
they
bought
these
units
and
it
was
obvious
some
of
them
even
admitted
during
the
Planning
Commission
hearing
that
they
had
not
done
their
due
diligence.
They
didn't
use
those
words,
but
that
was
the
the
the
interpretation
they
just
assumed.
O
H
O
The
whole
reason
that
a
public
hearing
is
required
for
conditional
use.
It's
so
that
other
residents
or
or
neighbors
that
live
around
the
area
can
come
in
and
make
their
statements
about
considerations
or
concerns
that
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
should
have
before
they
grant
this,
and
a
number
of
those
concerns
and
considerations
were
brought
up.
Is
this,
as
his
hearing
went
through.
O
That's
pretty
much
pretty
much
the
extent
of
it,
both
the
staff
and
the
and
the
Planning
Commission
believed
that
conditional
use
is
the
way
to
go
if
there's
nothing
wrong
happening.
There's
no
reason:
that's
an
applicant
shouldn't
come
in
and
apply
if
it's
a
reasonable
request.
Both
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
City
Council
have
been
very
reasonable
in
their
consideration
of
all
of
these
applications
that,
if
that
have
come
in,
but
the
neighbors
should
have
a
right
again.
These
are
permanent
residences
of
Biloxi.
O
Some
of
them
should
have
a
right
to
be
able
to
at
least
voice
their
concerns
prior
to
a
decision
being
made.
If
in
conditional
use
were
just
a
rubber
stamp,
there
would
be
no
need
for
a
public
hearing,
and
the
staff
could
just
look
at
the
ordinance
and
issue
the
approval
and
let
it
move
on
from
there.
So
that's
I
think
that's
the
bulk
of
the
information
to
bring
you
up
to
date
on
where
we
are.
N
O
Well,
I
mean
you
have
three
options:
you
can
either
not
allow
it.
You
can
allow
it
as
use
my
right
or
you
can
allow
it
as
conditional
use
and
conditional.
You
seem
to
be
the
the
most
logical
to
get
all
of
the
facts
before
the
Planning
Commission
and
before
the
City
Council,
so
that
the
decision
could
be
made
most
investors
when
they're
looking
at
this
type
of
the
situation
are
not
going
to
be
deterred
by
going
through
a
six-week
process.
You
know
if
all
the
other
conditions
are
reasonable
for
what
they're
asking
for.
O
Because
under
the
court,
under
the
current
ordinance
right
now,
it
is
a
use
of
my
right,
so
the
ones
that
are
coming
in
now
we're
not
talking
about
the
ones
that
are
operating
illegally,
that
are
operating
in
single-family
zoning
or
anywhere
else.
The
ones
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
are
the
ones
that
are
in
a
zone
that,
where
it's
allowed
as
a
use,
my
right
CB,
RB,
DT,
Delta,
W,
F,
waterfront.
O
All
of
those
commercial
zones
that
allow
hotels
if
they
come
in
now,
while
the
ordinance
is
in
place
and
and
fill
out
their
license,
they're
getting
grandfathered.
In
now.
We
are
making
sure
that
they're
being
inspected
by
the
fire
department,
the
building
department
for
for
safety
issues,
but
if
they
get
grandfathered
in
again
that
grandfathered
end-use
will
not
go
away
and
and
can
be
transferred
as
long
as
they
don't
cease
for
at
least
a
year.
N
I
said
on
sale:
that's
right!
Well,
you
just
applied
it.
You
automatically
got
it
because
it's
by
use
I
mean
I,
don't
say
how
you
can
grandfather
something
in
when
it
doesn't
been
passed.
All
they're
doing
is
applying
for
something
don't
mean
they
don't
get
anything
I'm
your
Sam,
but
usually
cuz.
If
you
buy
use
what
we
might
buy
used
to
do.
O
That
we
have
to
comply
with
what
the
ordinance
says
right
now
until
changes
are
made.
So
if
changes
are
made,
then
any
new
applications
coming
in
any
new
applications
coming
in
after
the
council
votes
would
be
have
to
comply
with
the
new
regulations,
but
right
now
they're
just
having
to
comply
with
what's
in
place.
At
this
time.
N
No-Nothing
you
talking
about
these
condominiums
that
hitting
these
things
pays
like
oh,
okay,
sure,
and
then
you
have
people
that
really
don't
want
it
that
live
there.
Okay,
the
same
things
like
the
man
was
talking
about
of
the
Cyprus
code.
Well,
you
got
somebody
coming
in
at
40
and
have
25
people
in
a
room
that
should
be
there
and
whatever
happens,
getting
to
fight
shoot
each
other
break.
Then
armed
guard
dogs
with
a
kid
dr.,
Pugh,
they're,
gonna
sue
the
city,
they're
gonna
suit
him
who
they
suing.
You
want
suit
of
money
line.
N
M
O
Thing
you
know:
Cypress
Cove
is
a
classic
example,
I.
Believe
of
why
conditional
use
words,
you
had
had
units
that
were
being
sold
to
investors
after
residents
had
signed
a
contract,
saying
that
there
would
be
no
short-term
rental
there
and
because
it
was
conditional
use
that
gave
a
chance
for
both
sides
to
bring
their
argument
to
the
table,
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
to
the
City
Council,
and
that's
why
we
believe
that
conditional
use
would
work
in
the
in
the
other.
That's
one
of
the
reasons.
N
O
Anyone
that's
raining:
it's
either
a
menorah
to
provide
tracking
for
police
department
and
for
code
enforcement
that
anyone
that's
registered
there.
The
the
the
entity,
that's
taking
the
reservations,
whether
it's
a
local
real
estate
agency
or
whether
it's
air,
B&B
or
whoever
would
have
to
either
have
a
tag
number
for
the
vehicle
or
in
the
case
where
there
wasn't
a
vehicle
that
have
to
have
a
driver's
license
number
for
whoever
registers
that
room
so
that
we
have
the
ability
to
track
who
it
was
when
they
were
there
and
follow
up
on
anything.
O
N
P
Yeah
I'm
still
kind
of
lost
for
words
quickly,
but
I'll
take
a
stab
at
this
Skrill.
The
only
question
I
ever
you
and
I,
don't
know
if
you
recall
the
the,
and
he
mentioned
the
motor
vehicle
for
higher
authority
and
I
was
part
of
fighting
through
that
process,
because
one
of
my
concerns
is
is
overwhelming
private
businesses
with
red
tape
and
then
governmental
bodies,
micromanaging
them
a
lot
of
the
stuff.
You
talked
about
that's
in
in
this.
The
new
requirements
for
short-term
rentals.
P
Well,
I'll
probably
talk
more
about
when
this
comes
up
for
a
vote,
but
one
thing
that
just
stuck
out
to
me
is:
why
would
they
have
to
tell
you
who
they
list
their
properties
with
that's
just
one
example
of
my
concerns
with
micromanaging,
because,
if
they're
required
to
keep
a
register
which
they
all
do
anyway,
because
they
take
money
and
payments
from
these
people
and
if
they're
required
to
do
all
these
other
things,
why
would
they
have
to
tell
you
I
just
want
another
rationale
for
why
they
would
have
to
tell
you
every
site
that
they
list
their
property
on
if
they're
complying
with
all
of
the
other
aspects
of
this
ordinance.
P
O
P
Fine,
but
if
you
say
that
it's
it's
for
tracking
well,
if
they're
applying
for
a
license
that
do
you
know
that
they're
there
and
you
know
the
property
in
the
unit,
so
that
seems
like
it
just
seems:
duplicity,
paint,
apps
on
on
what
they're
doing
I
think
it's
it's
an
unreasonable,
unreasonable
request,
but
we'll
go
through
that
more
I.
Don't
have
any
more
questions
or
statements
for
you
today.
P
The
biggest
problem
with
this
is
is
I'm
a
huge
private
property
rights
guy
that
gray
area
between
where
somebody's
rights
start
and
somebody's
rights
finish
is,
is
what's
at
stake
here.
I
mean
the
marver
czar
here
and
they've
brought
an
attorney
which
demonstrates
how
impactful
somebody
else's
rights
are
going
to
be
perceivably
on
their
rights,
and
so
this
is
extreme
the
tenuous
for
me,
because
I
want
people
to
do
what
they
want
with
their
property.
However,
I
don't
want
people
to
be
harmed
by
what
other
people
do
with
their
property.
We.
O
O
O
The
zoning
a
single-family,
which
means
that
it's
supposed
to
be
permanently
occupied
by
a
single
family,
the
operation
of
short
term
rental.
Next
door
is
basically
a
zoning
change.
Without
a
zoning
change,
you're
essentially
operating
a
hotel
next
to
a
single-family
house,
and
there
was
no
public
hearing.
There
was
no
consideration
given
to
anything
so
we're
addressing
those
through
community
court,
and
that's
not
one
of
the
recommended
changes.
O
Because
you
have
mixed
uses
of
people
living
in
those
zones,
the
example
that
I
gave
you
before
you've
got
some
people
that
are
living
there
as
their
permanent
residents
and
you've
got
some
some
people,
either
investors
or
others
that
are
buying
and
using
that
property
for
another
purpose
and
and
both
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
staff
felt
that
consideration
should
be
given
to
those
other
voices
that
that
have
concerns
about
it.
And
then,
ultimately,
you
know
the
council
is
going
to
make
the
decision
based
on
the
preponderance
of
whatever
is
presented
at
the
hearing.
J
P
Someone
moves
into
a
zone
where
a
hotel
or
motel
is
allowed
by
right.
Then
they
were
on
notice
as
well,
that
a
hotel
or
a
motel
could
pop
up
next
door
to
them,
and
so,
while
that
doesn't
convince
me
either
way
of
how
this
should
play
out,
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
some
some
conundrums
that
we
have
to
face
here
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
comes
down
to
the
rights
of
people
and
their
personal
property.
Well,.
O
We
we
realize
that
this
is
not
a
perfect
solution.
I
mean
this
is
we're
still
going
to
have
people
that
are
going
to
be
flying
under
the
radar?
This
is
not
a
perfect
door
to
assist,
and
Biloxi
is
not
the
only
city
that's
going
through
this.
There
are
other
cities
that
are
communicating
with
us
waiting
to
see
what
we're
going
to
do,
because
they're
going
to
consider
what
we
do
is
part
of
the
decision-making
for
their
city
too,
but
going
back
to
the
intent.
What
was
the
intent?
O
What
was
the
charge
from
the
City
Council
to
the
Planning
Commission,
go
back
and
find
a
way
for
us
to
better,
monitor
and
track
these
short-term
rentals
that
are
not
on
the
radar
now,
and
we
believe
that
we've
done
the
best
that
we
could
do.
Will
we
revise
this
later
on?
Yes,
as
as
more
issues
come
up
along,
this
line
will
come
back
with
with
tweaking
recommendations
to
to
address
those,
but
for
right
now,
considering
everything
that
we're
we're
facing.
O
P
Again,
thank
you.
I
agree
with
you
that
I
think
that
there
will
always
be
people
flying
under
the
radar
and
the
more
stringent
we
make
the
requirements
to
comply
with
and
the
more
the
more
excessive
we
make.
The
punishments,
we're
gonna
concede
continue
to
see
the
black
market,
and
it
will
continue
to
emerge.
P
Q
Q
O
Q
Q
My
fear
is
that,
like
you
said
everyone's
going
to
just
fly
under
the
radar,
what
happens
in
that
case?
If
we
pass
this
this
as
as
it's
written
now
and
then
the
whatever
hundred
and
fifty
people
just
decide,
you
know
what
I'm
just
going
to
do
this
and
what
what
what
kind
of
recourse
is
there
I
mean?
How
do
you
shut
that
down?
Well,.
O
It
would
all
be
handled
in
community
court.
We
would,
we
would
write
it
up,
we
would
take
it
to
community
court.
We
think
that
what
this
does
these
recommendations
do
is
create
a
sense
of
urgency
that
doesn't
seem
to
be
out
there
right
now
and
and
would
make
neighbors
aware
that
that
they
have
a
voice
to
call
it
or
or
let
us
know,
send
us
an
email
to.
O
Q
And
going
back
to
my
first
question:
so
if
you
had
multiple
units
per
week
or
people
from
multiple
areas
within
the
city
per
week,
apply
for
these
and
it
was
an
ongoing
deal.
We
would
have
to
have
multiple
public
hearings
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
then
each
one
of
those
would
have
to
be
voted
on
individually
by
the
council.
After
y'all
made
a
recommendation.
Q
Q
O
B
O
G
B
Insuring
the
Department
of
Revenue
ensures
that
we
get
our
share
of
taxes,
so
I
don't
want
to
list
with
any
platform,
and
how
does
anybody
know
whether
I'm
paying
my
taxes
or
not
or
do
we
worry
about
that
and
maybe
I'm,
maybe
I'm
in
maybe
I'm
a
conditional
use?
That
is
permitted
that
that's
up
to
me,
there's
no
way
of
tracking.
B
So,
if
I'm,
just
looking
at
the
numbers
aspect,
if
I
know
who
your
listing
with
and
I
have
an
idea
that
the
taxes
are
being
paid,
if
I'm
running
it,
it's
an
independent
operator
so
to
speak,
then
you
don't
know
whether
I'm
paying
taxes
or
not.
When
we
report
this
to
can't
remember
this,
it
Hotel
and
Lodging.
O
B
O
Is
what
we're
what
we're
doing
right
now?
We
have
a
contact
there.
They
can't
give
us
any
information,
but
we
can
report
it
to
them
and
they
have.
They
have
a
greater
range
of
ability
to
investigate
and
we
do
they
can
actually
talk
to
neighbors.
You
know
about
whether
or
not
something
is
actually
being
operated
there,
so
something
that
for
tax
purposes,
something
that
we
can't
get
into.
B
O
H
O
B
M
H
B
B
O
B
I
Want
to
follow
up
on
dr.
Tisdale's
questioning
about
how
do
we
verify
that
they,
if
they're,
not
on
one
of
the
platforms,
you
know
how
can
we
verify
that
they're
collecting
the
taxes
or
what-have-you
one
of
the
things
that
I
like
in
here
that
you're
requiring
the
register
of
guests
and
in
that
log?
So
if
there
is
an
audit
by.
I
Of
Revenue
they
may
be
able
to
reference
those
logs
and
cross-reference
that
to
the
income
that
was
collected,
and
that
gives
them
an
avenue
to
you
know,
do
a
successful
audit.
All
businesses,
you
know
in
this
industry
in
all
industries,
are
subject
to
audits
and
are
usually
every
two
or
three
or
four
years.
Usually
those
entities
are
audited
so
I
like
those
components
and
conditions
that
you've
put
into
this
and
I
come
in
your
department
and
the
Planning
Commission
for
bringing
these
recommendations
to
to
the
council.
For
us
to
consider.
Thank.
N
N
You
George
I,
just
listened
to
everybody
talk
a
little
video
to
ask
you.
One
question
sound,
like
the
city:
don't
have
much
choice
to
anything
in
here.
We
can't
do
much
to
anybody.
You
can't
deny
nothing
he's,
not
sure
you
know
collecting
in
taxes.
We're
gonna
have
a
lot
of
headaches
and
your
department
can't
handle
it.
You
don't
have
a
lot
of
problems,
so
I'm
I
threw
four
hundred
short
term
with
one
guy
ain't.
N
Gonna,
do
is
cost
the
city
a
ton
of
money,
because
we
obviously
can
we
collect
the
taxes.
I,
don't
know
who
did
some
of
the
taxes?
Do
the
Kings
you
done
I
anybody,
because
I
did
everything
wrong.
Now
you
got
all
these
people
out
here
right
now
doing
everything
illegal
and
what
are
we
doing?
My
dad
nothing
I'm
gonna
find
more
than
300
or
more
doing
it.
So
it
sounded
like
to
me
what
we're
doing
we're
in.
N
O
O
We
can
only
address
these
things
that
when
they
come
up,
we
we
take
steps
to
change
the
ordinance,
make
recommendations
to
try
to
bring
it
under
control,
or
at
least
get
it
to
a
point
to
where
we
can
monitor
it
or
track
it,
and-
and
we
think
that
you
know
with
all
the
discussion
on
both
sides
and
all
the
recommendations
that
were
made.
We
think
we've
come
up
with
something
pretty
good
here.
That
will
help
us
track
it
and
monitor
it
again.
O
N
R
N
R
The
fine
is
$500
a
violation,
and
you
know
when
it
was
$25
a
violation
you
could
just.
They
could
add
that
to
the
to
the
fee
and
I've
looked
at
some
other
cities,
I
think
Gulf
borders
is
faulted.
What
we're
doing
they're
putting
in
a
$500
davon
violation,
and
we
could
go
up
to
a
thousand.
You
know
if
we
can't
control
it,
but
for
now
we're
just
recommending
$500
it.
R
N
R
N
N
Now
guys
you
got
to
have
rules
and
regulations,
you
know
whatever
we
do
in
the
city
and
that's
what
we
have
that
you
know.
Otherwise,
you
could
have
a
gas
station
on
one
side
of
your
house
and
an
adult
bookstore.
On
the
other
side,
you
have
some
kind
of
control
somewhere.
Now
it's
like
you
said
this
is
a
perfect
solution,
probably
not,
and
it
probably
have
to
be
tweaked
later
on,
whatever
a
lot
of
options,
people
gonna
have
you
know,
but
I
still
don't
believe
the
grandfather
I,
don't
think
she
can
grab
just
good.
N
You
got
an
application
and
I,
don't
know
if
that's
legal
or
not
I,
just
don't
say
just
automatically
give
it
an
hour
up
dead.
My
plot
right
now,
I,
don't
touch
the
grandfather
works
that
way
grandfather's
pretty
far
away
in
action
all
right
own
stuff.
Well,
we
have
some
of
them.
I
have
no
problem
with
him,
that's
been
doing,
but
the
people's
that
apply
I,
don't
think
grandfather,
work,
I
can't
support
something
like
that.
The
solver
up
did
apply
right
now,.
P
Just
thought,
and
because,
like
I
mentioned
before,
the
connection
between
this
ordinance
and
provide
market
is
tenuous
at
best,
in
my
opinion,
and
it's
because,
even
if
you
increase
that
penalty
penalties,
don't
deter
activity
unless
they're
aware
of
the
penalty,
you've
talked
to
the
people
from
VRBO
or
Airbnb.
You
mentioned
one
of
them.
Are
they
willing
to
inform
the
people
that
register
on
their
platform
that
the
penalty
for
not
being
permitted
is
$500,
or
how
do
we
get
that
information?
Well,.
O
I,
don't
know
central
renter's
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
him,
but
the
the
tone
that
I
got
seemed
to
be.
You
know
we're
willing
to
help
you
in
any
way.
We
can
just
let
us
know
what
we
need
to
do.
I
said:
well,
here's
a
simple
way:
you
can
do
it,
don't
let
anybody
register
with
Airbnb
unless
they
can
show
you
they
have
a
business
license
from
the
city.
We
can't
do
that
that
that
would
be
just
too
voluminous,
so
I
didn't
get
the
sincere
feel
that
they
really
wanted
to
help
us.
O
You
know
matter
of
fact:
I
was
reminding
I.
Think
dr.
Tisdale
told
me
the
same
thing.
I
was
reminded
again
that
you,
mr.
Carrillo,
you
do
realize
that
short-term
rental
is
not
going
away,
that
it's
here
to
stay,
which
you
know
we.
We
brought
that
up
several
times
the
olivet.
It's
not
something!
That's
that's
going
away.
So
what
we've
got
to
do
is
to
just
come
up
with
a
reasonable
way
to
regulate
it.
P
A
P
A
I,
like
some
of
the
ideas
of
mr.
krill,
have
with
multiple
units
of
the
rules
that
he's
implying
I,
like
the
penalties
that
are
there.
However,
I'm
a
big
advocate
of
overlay
district
and
that's
the
thing
that
I've
been
trying
to
push
for
a
while,
so
that
we
all
know
exactly
where
people
can
and
cannot
go
right
now,
I
think
we
need
to
do
more
of
some
many
steps.
Baby
steps
take
light
steps
in
this
area.
A
The
suggestion
I
have
is
taking
things
one
step
at
a
time
right
now.
The
big
thing
is
leaving
the
existing
plan
in
place,
the
existing
language
but
add
some
of
the
following
things:
any
apartment,
complex
or
area
that
have
more
than
four
or
more
apartments
resident,
condos
or
what-have-you.
Those
should
be
brought
before
the
city
in
the
going
through
that
the
process
of
the
public
hearing
and
things
like
that.
So
as
it
stands
now,
I
don't
think
I
could
support
it
as
it
stands
because
of
the
the
dynamics
of
it.
A
O
O
You
know,
which
is
what
we
we've
discussed
before
you
know,
maybe
having
an
overlay
district
that
went
one
or
two
blocks
in
from
highway
90.
We
made
that
suggestion
to
them
had
that
discussion
with
them,
but
when
they
finally
finished
their
discussion
and
voted
on
it,
they
didn't
go
for
that
and
and
turned
it
down.
I.