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A
Foreign,
yes,
we
are
okay.
Welcome
to
the
Biloxi
city
council,
meeting
Tuesday,
June,
20th,
2023,
1
30
meeting
I
need
a
motion
to
suspend
the
rules.
The
mood
move
by
Mr
Lawrence
I
need
a
second
second,
second
by
Mr
glavin,
any
questions
all
in
favor,
one,
two,
three:
four:
five:
five:
zero
motion
care.
B
C
Adding
5T
resolution
authorizing
submission
of
the
FY
2025
Grant
application
to
the
Mississippi
Department
of
Marine
Resources
for
construction
of
a
peer
and
Duncan
facility
at
Oak,
Street,
adding
5u
resolution
authorized
and
submission
of
an
FY
2025
grant
for
M
Mississippi
Department
of
Marine
Resources
for
reconstruction
of
Lighthouse
pier
and
to
the
routine
agenda.
We're
adding
a
docket
in
the
amount
of
fifty
three
thousand
two
hundred
forty
four
dollars
and
55
cents.
D
A
E
Thank
you,
Mr
President.
We've
got
a
a
couple
of
longevity
pins
to
prep
by
pass
out
in
a
proclamation,
but
want
to
welcome
everybody
in
this.
This
good
weather
we're
having
in
one
of
I
guess
especially
remember
our
friends
and
Neighbors
at
most
points
they
had
a
little
hit
from
the
tornado
yesterday
afternoon,
hopefully
we'll
skate
by
some
of
that
this
afternoon.
But
let
me
ask
first
of
all
we're
going
to
do
the
longevity
pins.
E
E
E
G
E
Life
in
Biloxi
in
life
and
and
the
PD,
whereas
after
devoting
his
time
and
energy
as
a
law
enforcement
officer
with
the
Biloxi
and
assuming
the
responsibility,
is
essential
for
the
safety
of
his
fellow
citizens.
For
45
years,
Captain
Lewis
Michelle
saldo
has
decided
to
begin
the
next
phase
of
his
life
retirement,
whereas
Lou
began
his
career
with
the
city
as
an
auxiliary
police
officer,
achieving
the
rank
of
Sergeant
and
then
Lieutenant
before
being
hired
on
full-time
August,
11
1983
as
a
patrolman.
E
Whereas
Lewis
received
more
than
40
letters
of
commendation,
including
Employee
of
the
Month
1984
March
1985
November
1986
officer
of
the
month
for
April
1983,
November,
1986,
March
1989,
and
take
a
breath,
September
2003,
an
officer
of
the
corps
for
October
1978..
E
He
was
awarded
the
medal
of
Merit
in
2006
for
his
efforts
during
Hurricane
Katrina
and
then
the
distinguished
service
medal
in
2014
for
his
achievements
in
property
and
evidence
in
the
evidence
unit
in
2018
for
his
efforts
during
the
train
bus
crash
and
in
2019
for
Robert
mckeithan
investigation.
Now,
therefore,
our
Andrew
Fofo
gillich,
mayor
of
the
city
of
Biloxi
Mississippi,
on
the
occasion
of
his
retirement
and
in
honor
of
his
great
great
service
as
well
for
serving
as
our
longest
sworn
officer
do.
F
Yeah
I
do
so
I
I
can't
tell
you
how
blessed
this
city's
been
to
have
Lou
all
these
years.
He's
been
my
right
hand,
man
several
times
throughout
the
years.
I've
depended
on
him
heavily
and
he's
one
of
those
guys.
You
could
always
depend
on
didn't
matter
what
the
circumstances
were
or
what
the
outcome
was
going
to
be.
Lou
was
going
to
be
right
there
with
you
to
help
you
any
way
that
he
could
and
we're
going
to
miss
him.
Miss
him
greatly.
H
E
E
Chief,
thank
you
and
that
concludes
my
report.
Thank
you
appreciate.
A
I
A
D
D
Yeah
we
had,
they
opened
up
the
tide,
big
ass
ball
field
Saturday
and
like
a
little
the
bloxy
bombers,
a
nice
crowd.
It
was
good
to
see
all
that
action
around
there
again
like
it
used
to
be,
but
it
was
a
nice
little
tournament
turned
out
great
everything
looked
great,
they
did
a
good
job,
fixing
it
fill
up.
D
Second,
then,
we
went
to
the
Juneteenth.
You
know
before
football
got
there
when
he
brought
the
rain.
You
know
we
had
a
good
time
until
he
got
there,
but
that
turned
out
nice
sat
on
the
corner.
That
was
a
good
thing.
Nice
crowd.
There
I
noticed
that
today
mayor,
we
got
15
gold
violation
and
from
the
Community
Development
and
the
biggest
complaints
I
get
all
the
violations
at
the
city's,
not
gonna.
D
Like
I
tell
you
about
Howard
Avenue
and
you
said
you're
going
to
take
it.
So
do
we
need
the
high
10
15
people
just
to
clean
up
our
streets?
We
can't
be
writing
everybody
else
up
and
not
taking
care
of
city
property
in
the
city
right
away,
so
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
something!
We
need
a
high
extra
people
contract
workers,
whatever
you
want
to
call
them
and
get
that
done
and
on
the
water
fountain
on
the
by
the
White
House.
D
B
E
D
We
just
wanted
to.
We
looked
talk
to
you
more
about
that,
extending
the
walkway
to
towards
IP.
You
look
at
that.
I.
E
B
J
H
J
And
it's
there
are
several
Pages
there's
a
cover
sheet
within
the
the
middle
page
is
a
document
that
was
referred
to
during
the
Planning
Commission
hearing
and
is
referred
to
in
the
in
the
transcript.
But
there
wasn't
a
copy
of
that
document.
So
Mr
creel
dropped
this
off
and
I
told
him
I'd
get
a
copy
to
everybody.
J
If
that
could
just
be
noted
and
maybe
made
a
part
of
the
record
when
we
come
to
the
first
reading
or
when
we
when
we
adopted
it
the
second
reading,
which
is
a
couple
of
weeks
away,
but
but
that's
it.
That
concludes
my
report.
Thank.
K
Yeah
I
I
want
to
piggyback
off
of
what
councilman
Lawrence
said
about
the
Biloxi
bombers
inaugural
tournament,
my
six-year-old
grandson.
L
K
To
play
in
that
tournament
had
a
great
time,
I
think
they
had
water
balloon
fights
afterwards
and
they
just
had
a
good
time
playing
baseball
in
Biloxi.
So
it's
really
good
to
see
the
community
really
come
together
on
a
Grassroots
effort
like
that,
and
hopefully
that'll
be
the
example
for
other
fields
that
need
some
repair
as
well.
K
The
other
thing
Miss
levitard,
is
she
here
today.
Engineering
is
anybody
from
engineering
here
today,
I'll
go
ahead
and
add
it
to
my
report
on
the
engineering
report.
I
just
need
an
update
on
a
couple
of
streets
that
were
slated
for
Paving
skeet
hunt
and
Hickman
I
didn't
notice
that
on
Hickman
may
have
been
on
there,
but
I
didn't
notice.
Skeet
hunt
was
on
there.
It's
slated
for
Paving
I,
think
Biloxi
is
doing
the
entire
project,
so
I
just
didn't
notice
that
on
her
engineering
report,.
K
I'll
I'll,
look
it
over
again:
I
just
didn't
notice
it
in
the
detail.
It
may
be
labeled
something
different,
but
but
I'll
look
for
that
and
then
there's
well
I'll
I'll.
Let
councilman
Barrett
talk
about
the
tree
limb,
but
I
got
a
call
today
about
your
tree
limb.
They
just
need
to
identify
the
owner
of
that
property
that
the
tree
is
has
an
overhang
I
think
you
reported
that
and
I
think
our
arborist
is
ready
to
go
tour
that
situation.
That.
M
Crest,
these
are
going
to
be
Shorecrest,
Oak,
Lawn
or
John
Lee,
something
or
okay.
Just
a
couple
of
things.
Referring
to
what
Dr
Tisdale
said,
I
I
know
that
I'm
part
of
the
problem
right
now
on
on
these
signs
being
everywhere
and,
and
it
does
junk
up
the
city
and
I,
see
and
I
talked
to
Jerry
about
this
as
well,
but
and
I
looked
it
up
today.
I
see
this
letter
that
we
got
from
Vincent
here
and
looked
it
up
today
and
and
I.
M
Don't
know
that
it
does
anything
to
change
an
ordinance,
because
any
any
political
sign
that's
put
out.
If
anyone
challenges
our
ordinance,
our
ordinance
does
not
stand
up.
Supreme
Court
has
made
a
ruling
and
it's
the
ruling
is
I'm
pulling
it
up
real,
quick
I.
M
Have
it
right
here,
read
versus
the
town
of
Gilbert
and
it
basically
says
that
ideological
signs,
political
science,
temporary
directional
signs
relating
to
a
qualifying
event,
any
sign
that
is
content
based,
cannot
be
regulated
based
upon
the
message,
that's
on
the
sign
and
so
we're
when
we
have
a
specific
ordinance
specifically
for
political
signs.
That's
content
based
well,
political
science
falls
under
first,
especially
on
private
property,
falls
under
First
Amendment
rights
and
so
regulating
the
size
of
a
sign.
M
The
message
that's
on
the
sign
or
anything
like
that,
Supreme
Court,
has
ruled,
and
this
ruling
was
in
2018
basically
ruled
that
cities
and
states
do
not
have
the
right
to
regulate
a
sign
based
upon
the
message.
That's
on
the
sign
and
so
I
understand
our
purpose,
because
we
can't
just
put
political
signs
out
year
round.
I
mean
there's
places.
I
was
out
today
putting
some
up
for
our
governor
and
there's
places
where
there's
872
signs
on
a
corner
and
it's
junky.
Looking
I
understand,
I,
don't
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
I
guess.
M
L
L
This
is
what's
not.
This
is
a
sign
allowed
without
a
sign.
Permit
political
sign
advertising
campaign
for
elected
office,
provided
the
sign
is
removed
within
seven
days
after
the
election
date,
taking
out
the
the
limitation
when
you
can
put
it
up
taking
out
the
size
of
the
sun.
There
are
cases
that
say
it's
reasonable
to
make.
Somebody
take
the
sun
down
after
the
election
yeah.
L
So,
instead
of
trying
to
substitute
it
now
or
anything
like
that,
since
the
Planning
Commission
has
ruled
we're
going
to
have
the
this
Rewritten
to
State
what
the
Planning
Commission
did
and
what
the
City
attorney
recommends.
M
I
think
that
something
that
we
could
put
into
this
or
or
a
sign
ordinance
in
general,
any
sign
that
a
sign
has
to
be
maintained
because
over
anything,
that's
out
over
a
period
of
time,
you
know
gets
tore
up
and
stuff
and
that's
what
really
starts
to
look
bad
is
when
you
have
signs
that
the
frames
are
bent
and
they're.
You
know
tore
up,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
that
that
could
be
something
that
could
be
added
to
to
make
it
more
aesthetically
pleasing.
M
But
you
know
you
know,
like
I,
said:
I,
don't
I'm
glad
that
we
made
that
change,
because
ultimately
it
won't
stand
up.
If
someone
were
to
challenge
the
ordinance
other
than
that
the
I've
got.
You
know,
I
talked
to
Mike
yesterday
on
the
the
tree
limbs,
we
had
a
couple
more
calls
on
those
and
Mike
Hosley
and
his
team
are
continuing
to
do
a
great
job
of
taking
care
of
things.
M
I,
don't
know
if
Christie's
in
the
room
or
not,
but
if
we
recently
did
a
repair
on
the
wash
Fayard
Bridge
right,
wash
Fayard
Road,
Bridge,
yeah
and
I
rode
through
there
yesterday,
and
that
thing
is
still
and
I,
don't
know
what
we
paid
for
it.
I
think
it
was
30
something
thousand
dollars,
but
when
you're
heading
I
guess
from
John
Lee,
it's
still
a
very,
very
big
bump
and
so
I
don't
know.
M
If
that's
something
we've
already
closed
that
contract
or
not,
but
if,
if
that
could
be
graded
or
something
or
but
it's
still
a
very
big
bump,
when
you're
going
I,
don't
I
think
that
would
be
maybe
North
on
wash
Fayard
onto
that
bridge
where
they,
where
they
did
that
repair.
On
that
side,
it's
still
a
very
pretty
pretty
significant
bump
when
you
hit
that
bridge
going
from
the
concrete.
So
that's
all
I
have.
Thank
you.
Thank.
K
Ahead
all
right,
thank
you.
I
had
I
had
one
more
issue
that
that
I
missed.
If
I
can
ask
Mr
creel
to
comment
on
this,
the
Hickman
property
continues
to
operate
a
business
and
it's
under
questionable
circumstances.
Hauling
in
scrap
metal
other
debris
several
containers.
K
It
was
three
containers
and
it
was
six
and
More
in
addition
to
the
already
reported
there's
two
or
three
Parcels
that
that
they
have
I,
guess,
construction
vehicles
and
heavy
Industrial
Vehicles
on
I'm
also
concerned
if
they
have
proper
proof
of
insurance
Beyond
the
question:
if
they're
operating
a
legitimate
business
properly,
can
you
comment
about
the
state
of
that
at
all
sure?
Okay,.
N
The
ordinance
has
a
specific
procedure
that
we
have
to
follow.
Whatever
someone
is
in
violation.
You'll
recall.
You
may
recall
five
years
ago
that
they
were
operating
the
business
on
a
different
piece
of
property
and
we
took
them
through
the
process.
You
know
we
have
to
notify
them
that
we
believe
they're
operating
a
business
that
lost
its
grandfather's
status.
We
give
them
the
opportunity
to
bring
us
documentation
or
come
in
and
meet
with
us
to
show
us
something
to
the
contrary.
They
did
come
in
at
that
time.
N
They
provided
us
with
some
documentation
me
and
Attorney
Terry
Steele
reviewed
all
that
documentation
and
did
not
believe
that
it
proved
that
they
had
a
legitimate
right
to
be
there.
So
the
next
step
was
to
tell
them
to
either
shut
the
business
down,
to
change
it
over
to
a
business
that
is
allowed
in
agricultural
zoning
or
to
file
an
appeal
at
that
time
they
chose
to
file
an
appeal
and
we
went
through
the
board
of
zoning
adjustments
and
appeals.
We
presented
our
case.
They
presented
their
argument.
N
N
So
what
happened?
They
were
shut
down
for
a
while
and
then
now,
all
of
a
sudden,
they
have
opened
up
the
business
on
a
separate
piece
of
property,
which
essentially
means
that
we
have
to
had
to
start
over
and
we've
gone
through
the
same
process
with
them
and
we've
gone
through.
All
of
those
steps
and
I
sent
them
a
final
letter
of
determination
based
on
some
documentation.
They
sent
us
and
I
didn't
believe
carried
any
Merit
to
it,
given
them
10
days
to
either
correct
the
problem
or
file
an
appeal.
N
They
came
in
Friday
afternoon
late
Friday
afternoon
and
filed
an
appeal,
so
it
will
now
go
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
adjustments
and
appeals.
I
believe
that
we
have
a
strong
case
just
like
we
did
before
and
then
from
there.
If
the
bza
votes
to
deny
their
appeal,
then
they
have
the
right
to
take
it
back
to
court.
Again,
I
wish
we
had
the
authority
to
go
out
there.
You
know
and
shut
them
down,
but
we
don't.
N
We
can't
do
that
because
our
our
ordinance
says
that
once
an
appeal
is
filed
that
stays
All
City
action,
so
we're
just
having
to
go
through
the
process.
We
are
working
on
it.
We've
been
working
on
it
very
diligently
ever
since
the
time
that
they
put
those
out
there
and
I
think
it
will
get
another
court
order
that
shuts
that
down
just.
K
A
couple
more
questions
director
there
seems
to
be
little
or
no
fencing
around
the
property.
One
question
I
would
have.
Did
they
go
to
the
DRC,
with
any
kind
of
plans
for
drainage,
for
fencing
for
the
required,
egress
and
Ingress
pavement
that
they
have
to
put
down
with
heavy
trucks
coming
in
and
out
of
the
area
it
just
I
I,
don't
understand
it,
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I'm
still
trying
to
understand
how
somebody
could
get
away
with
just
stream.
N
K
A
O
P
P
O
Q
Actually,
the
paving
schedule
has
been
we
we're
actually
gonna
have
to
rebid
the
entire
Paving
contract.
We've.
Q
O
Q
Yes,
so
we
haven't
been
through
the
process
yet,
but
see
more
engineering
has
started
the
pro
who
have
our
contract
to
do
our
debris
management
plan.
Q
They've
done
started
it
for
Jackson
County,
so
we've
asked
them
to
go
ahead
and
start
it
for
us
as
well.
We
have
a
a
new
permit,
not
a
new
permit.
Q
We
have
a
an
existing
permit
that
we're
trying
to
get
put
back
in
front
of
the
core
that
they
denied
that
had
submerged
aquatic
vegetation
and
that's
in
the
I
think
it's
in
your
award,
councilman
the
Holly
Hills
Sunrise
Court
area,
but
we're
so
we're
working
we're
moving
forward
with
that
one
first
to
see
to
kind
of
get
through
the
process
and
see
what
we
need
to
do
and
that's
in
the
works
right
now
so
hopefully
soon
we'll
have
some
good
news
on
how
to
get
around
savs.
Okay,.
A
R
A
So
I
stick
most
of
my
report
with
the
Todd
me
as
part
those
guys
those
parents
have
done
a
great
job,
revitalizing
tied
me
as
in
Back
Bay.
You
know
that's
inboard
to
it
and
I'm,
proud
of
what
those
guys
have
done
with
the
Todd
me
as
part
getting
that
kicked
off
the
Biloxi
bombers.
So
I
I
really
appreciate
those
guys
and,
of
course,
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
miss
Sherry
bill
who
worked
with
us
all
weekend.
A
We
had
a
great
wonderful
Juneteenth
celebration,
Friday
night
with
the
basketball
tournament
Mississippi
Power
donated
cash
prizes
for
the
basketball
players
Saturday,
we
had
a
great
blast.
The
mayor
came
out,
gave
out
awards
at
the
Town
green
and
then
Sunday
wrapped
up
back
in
Henry
back
Park.
What
a
fantastic
great
food
picnic
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
kudos
to
all
those
individuals
and,
of
course,
last
but
not
least,
Chief
Miller.
I
just
want
to
ask
you
a
question.
A
A
All
right!
We're
going
to
move
on
to
the
public
agenda
total
of
45
minutes
three
minutes
per
person
strictly
in
force
with
anyone
to
my
left
would
like
to
come
up
and
speak.
Anyone
to
my
left,
Mr
Woody,
please
come
on.
S
Afternoon,
everybody
I
think
we
have
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
the
on
the
ordinances,
as
I
said
last
time
when
I
was
before
y'all.
That
I
had
sent
some
information
over
to
to
Peter
for
him
to
review,
and
we
had
just
a
brief
opportunity
to
talk
about
some
clarification.
That's
needed
in
some
of
the
some
of
the
areas
and
just
remind
you
basically
what
I
was
talking
about
last
time
and
what
he
and
I
talked
about
the
Coliseum
events.
S
It's
a
little
unclear
what
happens
there
with
particularly
with
vendors
and
how
they're
associated
with
the
Coliseum
I
think
the
language
somewhat
in
the
vendor
area
needs
to
be
worked
on
a
little
bit
and
I.
Also
too
didn't
you
know,
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
talk
about
the
advertising
issue
that
there's
the
way
the
ordinance
provides.
S
There's
no
advertising
prior
to
a
getting
a
permit,
and
I
mentioned
this
last
time
that
we
pretty
much
advertise
throughout
the
year
for
for
our
event
and
some
of
the
other
events,
probably
do
some
of
the
same
I
would
think
the
indemnification
we
discussed.
Some
of
that
making
sure
it's
that's
a
clear
and
easily
under
understood,
demification
Clause
that
people
can
live
with,
and
there
was
a
question
about
whether,
for
example,
cruising
would
need
seven
permits
or
one
permit
to
do
what
we
need
to
do
within
the
city.
S
Also,
at
the
last
meeting
council
member
member
Denning
mentioned
about
passing
the
spontaneous
portion
only
to
give
the
chief
what
what
he
needs
to
do
with
these
events
that
occur,
you
know,
with
no
planning
or
or
with
lack
of
notification
to
the
city,
so
I
think
that's
something
to
look
at
as
well
and
then,
like
I,
say
My
overall.
S
One
of
my
main
concerns,
too,
is
just
once
this
thing
gets
on
the
books,
and
you
know
what
does
the
future
look
like
for
someone
having
a
great
idea
about
an
event
and
if
they
come
up
against
an
ordinance
like
this
with
be
able
to
to
comply
with
it
all
so
it
could
could
put
them
damper
on.
You
know
future
events
down
the
road
so
look
forward
to
us
having
a
workshop
here
after
this
meeting,
and
talking
about
these
I
mean
well.
Thank
you
very
much.
T
T
We
have
done
nearly
8
000
cats
in
Biloxi,
City
Limits.
Since
we
started
our
organization
four
years
ago,
we
are
experiencing
overwhelming
discomfort
with
the
amount
of
responsibility
our
pet
owners
are
taking,
allowing
their
animals
to
wander
the
streets,
get
pregnant
and
have
babies.
It's
an
endless
vicious
cycle.
T
T
My
agenda
is
to
eventually
get
that
on
the
books
to
require
animal
owners
domesticated
animals
to
have
their
animals
spay
and
neutered
I
hate
to
say
it.
But
if
they're
going
to
leave
an
animal
behind
at
least
it
will
be
fixed
and
cannot
reproduce
we
are
struggling.
Every
rescue
on
this
Coast
is
full.
I
have
52
Foster
cats.
At
my
house,
my
friend,
who
runs
a
rescue
in
Long
Beach,
has
over
150..
T
D
A
C
J
Yeah,
just
if
the
clerk
would
make
a
note,
I'd
like
the
just
as
a
budget
item
for
next
year's
budget,
to
look
at
the
cost
of
a
study,
because
there's
and
I've
talked
with
Mr
creel
about
this
and
Miss
labata.
J
There's
a
drainage
issue
on
the
west,
the
the
Eastern
portion
of
Edgewater
Park,
which
is
adjacent
to
this
development
here.
Just
if
you
would
make
that
note
for
me
and
I
think
that's
it,
but
the
the
Mr
Krill
you
had
mentioned
that
the
drainage
for
this
project
in
phase
one
is
working
as
it's
designed
to
do,
and
the
city
Engineers
looked
at
that
I
believe
and
the
project
engineer.
J
Well,
the
Elliott
homes
engineer
I,
think
you
said
both
of
them
had
looked
at
and
agreed
that
the
drainage
plan
is
working
like
it's
supposed
to
work
for
that
development.
So
Faith
phase
two
is
going
to
be
I,
can't
recall
how
many
units
17
units
and
that
will
complete
the
build
out
there
yeah,
but
that
drainage
issue
still
I
think
has
to
be
addressed
in
Edgewater
Park.
So
I
just
make
those
notes
for
the
record.
Thank
you.
D
N
The
the
lot
size
is
in
there
or
within
the
10
000
square
feet
for
each
lot.
You
know
we
did
this
as
a
as
a
PD
R
plan
development,
residential
and
they're.
At
least
there
should
be
at
least
10
000
square
feet
each
each.
N
Sir,
aren't
they
good?
They
posted
a
bind
at
the
beginning
of
the
project,
because
this
subdivision
was
done
differently
than
we.
We
normally
do
a
subdivision.
Typically,
what
will
happen
is
they'll
come
in
and
get
a
preliminary
plan
approval,
and
once
the
council
has
approved
that
preliminary
plant,
then
they'll
submit
their
infrastructure
plans
to
the
engineering
department
they
review
them.
N
We
issue
a
permit,
they
go
out
and
put
the
infrastructure
in
and
then,
after
everything
is
put
in,
they
come
back
for
what's
called
final
plant
approval,
what
they
did
is
they
came
and
got
preliminary
and
final
plan
approval,
with
the
understanding
that
they
would
be
putting
in
the
infrastructure
while
they
were
developing
the
lights
and
in
order
to
ensure
that
the
infrastructure
went
in,
they
posted
a
couple
of
bonds
there
that
are
attached
to
this.
So
we
had
a
meeting
with
a
city
engineer
we
at
DRC.
N
A
O
N
What
what
this
is
is
that,
over
the
years
there
had
been
a
push
to
whatever
a
subdivision,
for
example,
was
developed,
that
there
would
be
a
partial
Road
connector
put
in,
so
that
the
subdivision
being
developed
when
there
was
property
on
the
other
side
that
was
undeveloped.
The
plan
was,
is
that
those
two
developments
would
be
connected.
They'd
have
a
connector
there,
but
what
we
found
out
through
years
of
experience
is
that
either
developments
don't
want
to
be
connected
to
another
development
or
that
it
doesn't
work
out
because
of
wetlands
or
whatever.
N
You
know
that
doesn't
work
out
that
the
two
would
come
together.
This
was
a
Remnant
piece
of
property
that
was
there
that
was
based
on
one
of
those
that
has
no
purpose
whatsoever.
There
are
actually
houses
built
on
the
other
side
of
this
one,
so
it's
just
one
of
those
things
that
needs
to
be
vacated.
Yes,.
A
D
Yeah
this
is
the
problem.
We're
creating
we're
dealing
with
a
group.
That's
been
written
up
quite
a
few
times
is
like
Sarah
Lou
group.
They
knew
the
same
thing.
They
don't
take
care
of
the
property,
I'm
sure
not
turn
it
into
a
short-term
rental.
I
tell
Dr
seacool
building
on
Porter
Avenue
this.
This
group
here
has
been
written
up
several
times,
so
there's
no
way
I
can
recommend
approving
this.
D
M
I
I
just
have
a
quick
statement.
I
had
someone
reach
out
to
me
today,
Jerry
about
short-term
rentals,
and
they
said
that
they've
identified
1100,
short-term
rentals
listed
on
Airbnb
and
VR
VRBO
in
the
city
of
Biloxi
in
the
39531
and
39530
zip
code.
I
know
that
we're
not.
We
don't
have
that
many
I
think
we're
more
around,
maybe
five
or
so
right.
Around
400.
N
M
And
so
they
said
that
there
they've
identified
they
have
some
type
of
program
that
can
identify
them
and
they
said,
there's
around
1100
closer
to
twelve.
It
was
Eleven
Hundred
and
something
short-term
rentals
listed
just
in
those
two
zip
codes
and
they
said
that
didn't
even
include
39532,
so
I
don't
know.
If
there's
some
type
of
software
we
can
get
or
something.
But
if
that
is
the
case,
number
one
we're
missing
out
on
a
lot
of
money
and
number
two.
You
know
we're
we're
missing
the
mark
on
regular
writing.
It
above.
N
I've
sit
through
probably
a
half
a
dozen
presentations
on
software
for
short-term
rental
and
I
finally
found
one
that
covers
all
the
bases
it's
called
granicus
and
we're
going
to
be
requesting
that
I've
already
put
it
in
to
the
budget
whenever
we
review
it.
But
this
is
one
that
one
of
the
one
of
the
challenges
we
face
is
that
these
people
who
like
to
fly
under
the
radar
will
show
you
the
inside
of
the
unit,
but
they
won't
show
you
the
outside.
N
So
it's
a
guessing
game
about
how
to
locate
it,
but
in
this
software
they
have
the
ability
to
identify
where
that
place
is
located.
They
can
also
one
of
the
other
things
that
we
run
into
is
that
we
notify
people
you're
advertising
for
short-term
rental,
you're,
not
zoned
for
it.
You
don't
have
a
license.
Oh
I'm,
sorry
I'll.
N
Take
that
ad
down
this
software
will
tell
you
when
the
ad
is
put
up
when
it's
taken
back
down
and
if
it's
put
back
up
again,
so
it
has
a
lot
of
what
we've
been
looking
for
and
it'll
be
a
great
tool
for
Frederick
to
use
to
keep
him
from.
Just
having
to
surf
the
Internet
trying
to
find
out
these
places,
this
company
already
does
the
homework
for
you,
and
also
with
this
payment,
provides
consulting
services
to
us
too,
so
it
it'll
be
in
the
budget.
N
N
B
One
of
one
of
the
things
that's
in
progress
right
now
with
Mr,
Krill
and
I
have
been
talking
about
is
a
an
ordinance.
This
change,
that's
good
Land,
Development,
ordinance,
language
change.
That's
going
to
be
coming
to
you
shortly!
That
does
a
couple
of
things
one.
B
It
raises
the
fee
that
a
short-term
rental
pays
each
year
to
be
to
get
their
permit
and,
secondly,
it
requires
at
the
time
of
renewal
that
they
prove
show
proof
of
taxes
paid
or
PA,
or
at
least
taxes
withdrawn
by
their
platform
that
they're
working
on
so
most
of
those
two,
we
think
will
help
us
a
little
bit
to
manage
this.
An
amorphous
number
of
submit.
N
K
A
comment:
I
I
have
a
comment
so
on
that
line,
just
as
sometimes
you
can
designate
a
entity
as
resident
non-resident
or
whatever
would
that
application
fee
be
different
if
the
taxes
are
being
paid
outside
the
city.
In
other
words,
if
they,
the
the
taxes,
are
being
paid
in
Texas
or
or
that's
where
the
taxes
are
going
because
that's
where
their
company
is
established
versus
it
would
be
a
different
application
fee.
If
we
were
benefiting
from
taxes
coming
into
our
city
in.
B
As
as
a
Peter
abide,
our
city
engineer
can
confirm
as
a
a
Airbnb
owner
getting
to
the
bottom
of
whether
taxes
were
paid
and
where
they
were
paid
to
it's
not
as
easy
as
as
it
looks,
I
mean
we
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
Peter
we
can.
We
can.
The
Airbnb
can
tell
us
that
taxes
were
withheld,
but
I,
don't
think
they're
telling
us
which
state
the
taxes
were
paid
to
or
which
so.
L
But
Biloxi
Beach
Jacqueline
Wilson,
you
know
from
that
Workshop
we
had.
She
determined
that,
since
their
her
office
was
in
Gulfport,
Gulfport
was
receiving
all
of
our
sales
tax
and
she
did
apply
with
the
tax
commission
for
a
separate,
Biloxi
tax
number
and
so
that's
been
remedied,
and
that
was
those
taxes
were
roughly
eighty
thousand
a
year
and.
B
That
the
ordinance,
the
ordinance
change
that
were
Land,
Development
ordinance
change
that
we're
proposing
asked
them
to
give
us
their
tax
ID
number
at
the
time
they
renew
their
permit.
I
I
said
to
Jerry.
Not
too
long
ago.
We've
been
in
this
business
now
for
a
couple
of
years,
with
an
ordinance
that
gives
a
500
fine
for
running
per
day,
500
per
day
for
a
short-term
rental,
that's
not
permitted,
and
yet
we
haven't
find
anybody.
M
Business
so
in
this
new
ordinance,
it's
going
to
require
them
to
prove
that
their
business.
So
if
they
operate
a
short-term
rental
in
the
city
of
Biloxi,
we're
gonna
the
burden
of
proof
that
they
have
a
business
set
up
to
where
we
receive
the
taxes
in
the
city
of
Biloxi.
Is
that
going
to
be
a
requirement
because
that
would
be
the
property
manager?
Not
the
property
owner?
Is
that
correct.
L
Yeah,
all
you
can
really
tell
right
now
is,
is
we
can
ask
them
to
show
like
through
VRBO,
they
have
a
spreadsheet
showing
this
has
been
pulled
out
and
it
has
been
sent
to
the
state
of
Mississippi,
so
I,
that's
still
something
if
they
don't
live
in
the
city
of
Biloxi.
That's
something
I
think
we
have
to
drill
down
to.
M
M
Located
it
may
get
a
requirement
that,
when
someone
comes
in
and
and
you
know,
gets
approved
by
use
by
right
or
a
conditional
use
that
they
provide
proof
that,
if
they're
the
property
manager,
if
they're
hiring
an
external
property
manager,
that
that
manager
has
a
business
registered
to
the
city
of
Biloxi.
To
where
we
receive
that
Revenue.
M
Rental
I
understand
the
business
license
that
that
that's
for
the
city,
but
whenever
you
have
an
LLC,
if
they're
paying
that
LLC
wherever
that
LLC
is
registered,
that's
where
that
tax
revenue
is
going
to
go
to
not
a
business.
The
business
license
is
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
you
know
the
how
that
tax
revenue
is
is
dispersed.
L
We
we
would
have
to
monitor
it
and
meet
with
the
with
the
Tax
Commission,
because
the
way
I
appreciate
it
VRBO
just
sends
the
state
of
Mississippi
three
million
dollars,
and
then
it's
then
it's
incumbent
upon
the
state
of
Mississippi
to
determine
is
this:
is
this
location?
Are
they
paying
it
by
location?
Are
they
paying
it
by
taxpayer
address
so.
G
D
The
reason
I'm
saying
this,
a
lot
of
people
call
me
I
live
around
there
that
dealt
with
Sarah
Lou
on
Forest,
and
this
is
the
same
group,
so
I'm
not
going
to
pass
anything
to
create
another
major
problem
like
we
had
before
when
they
had
20
30
people
live
in
these
houses
and
if
y'all
remember
that
for
a
couple
years
it
took
us
before
we
could
tear
that
house
down.
D
K
There
anyone
here
representing
this
company
that
we're
voting
on
today
is
there
anyone
in
I
think
so
they're.
Not
so
my
question
would
be:
is
this
the
the
owners
of
this
entity
of
resolution
E
I
would
ask
them.
You
know:
where
is
your
LLC
set
up
at?
Is
it
in
Biloxi?
Is
it
in
Gulfport
or
is
it
in?
You
know
Texas,
you
know
that
that
might
be
one
way
as
we
go
through
this
process
and
make
this
a
requirement.
N
This
piece
of
property
is
owned:
rm30,
it's
one
of
two
pieces
of
property
right
there.
Next
to
that
Canal
that
runs
there
just
south
of
Division
Street.
There
are
only
two
pieces
of
property
there
that
are
selling
multi-family.
That
would
allow
conditional
use
everything
else
around.
There
is
single
family
residential.
N
So
anybody
that
you
know
if
there's
a
concern
about
you
know
this
is
going
to
trigger
more
short-term
rentals
in
that
area.
It
wouldn't
be
allowed
without
them,
coming
to
the
Planning
Commission
city
council
and
getting
the
zoning
change
on
this
particular
piece
of
property.
We
have
written
them
up
before
for
code
violations
when
it
went
before
the
city
council.
It
was
looked
well
maintained,
but
you
know
it's
just
one
of
those
things
we'd
have
to
experience.
E
R
D
N
Go
one
more
one
thing
I
would
suggest,
based
on
the
decision
that
was
recently
made
by
the
court
about
the
other
short-term
rental
on
St
George
I
would
suggest
that
if
you
are
going
to
turn
it
down
as
a
conditional
use
state
sub-specific
about
why
it's
being
turned
down,
you
know
that
it
it
either
not
compatible
with
the
neighborhood
or
or
that
meet
some
of
the
criteria
there.
But
we
need
to
be
specific
about
about
the
denial
I.
Don't
know
if
y'all
read
that
decision.
Yet,
okay.
D
And
it's
easier
for
me:
they
don't
meet
the
the
non-conditional
uses.
The.
N
You
know
the
owner
of
the
property
on
St
George,
appealed
that
to
court
and
the
court
overturned
the
council's
decision
and
gave
them
the
approval
to
move
forward
with
the
conditional
use,
and
specifically,
what
they
pointed
out
is
that
the
city
council
mentioned
that
they
didn't
think
it
was
appropriate,
but
they
weren't
specific
about
which
one
of
the
nine
criteria
that
it
didn't
meet
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
discussion
they
referred
to,
okay.
N
Well,
we
we
just
think
we
need
to
turn
it
down,
because
we
don't
think
it's
right
and
referred
back
to
the
discussion,
but
there
was
no
discussion
you're
in
the
meeting
about
it.
So
we
we
based
on
that
Court's
decision.
If
we're
going
to
turn
down
a
conditional
use,
there
needs
to
be
some
statement
in
there
specifically
about
why
we
don't
think
it's
appropriate
and
it
can
be
something
as
simple
as
it.
It
doesn't
meet
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
which
is
what
you
were
trying
to
say.
Mr.
D
N
It's
only
two
and-
and
my
guess
is
the
reason
is
because
the
one,
the
one
right
next
to
the
canal,
which
is
north
of
this-
that
y'all
have
already
approved
for
a
conditional
use
for
short-term
rentals,
had
two
units
on
the
property
two
separate
units.
On
there
there
was
a
house
up
front.
There
was
two
units
in
the
rear
that
were
in
a
in
a
blocked
building
back
there,
a
duplex
on
the
rear,
so
the
council
voted
the
plating
commission.
B
D
R
I
D
If
you,
if
you
know
where
Dr
siku's
office
was
they
were
used
to
run
it,
then
they
turn
it
in
a
duplex,
not
a
short-term
rental.
Well,
I
mean
you
deal
with
somebody,
that's
character
in
the
neighborhood
in
his
needs.
It's
not
a
need.
I
mean
you
go
all
nine
and
they
keep
saying
the
conditions.
It's
got
to
meet
all
nine,
not
one
of
them
all
of
them.
They
don't
half
the
ones.
We've
been
passing
to
not
meet
the
non-conditional
uses,
so
we
created
a
problem
for
ourselves.
A
J
I
believe
there
was
a
gallot
that
lived
there
had
a
this
was
years
and
years
ago,
when
I
was
in
high
school
and
showing
off
my
crew
cut,
but
there
was
a
Gallop
that
lived
there,
who
had
a
tow
truck
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's,
why
that
that
had
a
horoscope
or
ask
a
lot.
Thank
you
horusk
a
lot
and
I
I'm
wondering
if
that's
why
it
it
obtained
a
commercial
or
that's,
why
it
was
Zone
commercial
next
door.
I
can
remember
was
it.
You
said
it
was
Dr
sequel's
office.
J
When
that
was
built
and,
of
course,
the
proximity
to
the
hospital
there
on
Back
Bay
at
the
time,
but
every
everything
if
you
look
at
Division
Street
north
of
Division
Street,
you
have
Porter
Avenue
Forest.
J
J
K
Yeah,
in
addition
to
what
my
esteemed
colleague
just
stated,
I
would
bring
your
attention
to
one
of
the
requirements
is
the
the
conditional
use
allows
for
the
protection
or
property
value
and
the
ability
of
neighboring
lands
to
develop
use
of
permitted
in
the
district
permitted
zoning
in
the
district,
I
I
think
this
is
in
conflict
with
that.
K
Certainly,
if
we're
providing
services
for
entities
and
businesses
to
operate
and
we're
not
getting
a
return
on
the
sales
taxes,
I
think
it
brings
the
value
of
surrounding
properties
down,
and
so,
if
you
need
a
reason
to
be
stated,
director
I
would
include
that,
in
my
opinion,
okay.
M
A
R
I
D
A
D
A
D
L
D
And
we
have
another
one
here:
Micah
Peter,
one
of
y'all,
the
heavy
sand
and
Alice
Washington
and
golf
right
now.
So
we
had
I'm
going
to
cost
us
to
replace
that.
D
G
O
D
J
N
N
I
N
J
A
N
N
Doesn't
do
it
justice,
it's
eat
up
with
termite
damage
on
the
inside
I.
Had
my
inspectors
go
down
and
meet
with
the
owner
of
the
property
and
go
through
it,
and
this
house
would
number
one
any
attempt
to
repair.
It
would
be
a
substantial
Improvement,
which
means
that
it
would
have
to
be
elevated
and
I've
talked
to
an
engine,
their
project
engineer
about
it,
and
he
did
not
believe
that
it
would
hold
up
if
they
tried
to
elevate
this
house
a
couple
of
feet.
N
So
it's
it's
got
termite
damage
from
top
to
bottom
on
the
inside.
N
Item
I
People's
Bank
of
Biloxi
420,
Cabot
Street.
That's
one
that
we're
going
to
have
to
start
over
on
that
property.
People's
Bank
sold
that
piece
of
property,
so
we're
going
to
go
back
and
address
the
new
owner.
So
we'll
consider
that
resolved
here.
Item
J
praise,
Temple,
Full,
Gospel,
Baptist,
Church
of
Biloxi
229
street.
That
case
has
been
resolved.
I
A
D
I
N
All
right
item
item
K
Charles,
Allen,
Ross,
II,
225,
Lemieux
street.
That
case
is
resolved
item
L,
Chan,
Tran,
173
Dory
street.
That
case
is
resolved
item
M
Barbara,
S
Alexander
and
Dave
ellias
III
308
Division
Street.
That
case
has
been
resolved
item
in
Barbara
S
balius
303,
Oak
Street.
That
case
has
been
resolved
and
item
o
Joshua
cook
and
Danica
page
zero,
Eden
Place.
That
case
has
been
resolved
all.
A
U
A
good
afternoon
Council
not
yet
I,
checked
it
this
morning,
it's
currently
in
Step,
four
or
five.
Still
it's
been
there
about
seven
days.
We
should
have
it
next
week.
We
will
definitely
have
it
for
our
next
council
meeting.
U
We
are
working
with
Mima
on
one
point:
1.2
million
in
reimbursements;
that's
a
Reconciliation
change
orders,
so
that
is
monies.
The
cities
have
already
paid
out
and
we're
seeking
the
reimbursement
on
that
those
funds,
so
we
should
probably
hopefully
have
that
also
at
our
next
council
meeting
all
right.
Thank
you.
Yes,
sir
thank.
A
You
any
other
questions
all
in
favor
of
routine
okay,
7-0
motion
carry
no
moved
and.
J
A
We
adjourn
I
just
want
to
say
we're
going
to
take
five
minutes
after
we
adjourn
this
meeting
before
we
continue
on
to
the
special
meeting
to
give
our
secretary
a
chance
to
reach
us
all
the
stuff.
So
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn.
R
K
A
R
A
And
then,
second
by
Dr
Tisdale
any
questions
all
in
favor.
Okay,
7-0
motion:
carrot
president
presentation
agenda,
mayor's
report;
Mr
Peter,
no
report.
A
S
Afternoon
again,
during
our
break,
I
had
an
opportunity
to
speak
with
with
Peter
about
some
of
the
changes
that
that
you
know
I
had
proposed
and
some
that
heard
from
other
people.
As
far
as
the
ordinance
itself
and
looks
like
we
are
in
somewhat
of
agreement
on
on
some
of
these
things
that
might
work
out
and
might
clean
up
some
of
the
language
naturally
I'd
like
to
see
it
all
prepared
and
and
then
written
up
again,
and
so
we
can
review
those
revisions
and
make
sure
it
does.
S
It
does
work,
as
you
know,
these
ordinances
one.
You
talk
about
one
part
here
and
it
affects
another
part
over
in
this
section.
So
I
think
we
need
to
see
all
that.
If
we
can,
you
know
sort
of
look
at
these
things,
and
hopefully
these
things
will
will
be
cleaned
up.
So
if,
if
things
are
cleaned
up,
we
may
have
something
that
we
hopefully
can
all
work
with.
So
hopefully
the
revisions
will
be
will
be
good
and
we'll
work.
So
I'd
like
that
opportunity
to
look
those
over
if
we
get
a
chance
to.
S
If,
if
provided
y'all,
don't
vote
on
it
today
and
and
and
move
forward,
so
hopefully
you
all
consider
that
so
but
anyway,
the
same
concerns
I've
mentioned
to
y'all
before
I
won't
bore
y'all
with
them
again
or
are
still
out
there,
and
maybe
some
of
these
revisions
will
will
address
all
that.
Hopefully
they
will.
Thank
you.
V
Chavez
Sweatman
I'm,
chairman
of
cruising
the
coast,
Bill
Mr
Woody,
has
come
up
with
some
ideas
and
thoughts
that
I
think
are
very
beneficial.
I
think
we.
V
We
want
to
encourage
activity,
we
want
to
courage,
Business
Development,
look
down,
The
View,
Marche,
mall
and
I.
Can
I
can
remember
when
it
was
two
lanes
of
traffic
and
then
it
had
a
canopy,
and
then
it
was
a
walking
mile,
and
then
it
went
back
to
one
lane
of
traffic.
Then
it
went
to
two
lanes
of
traffic,
but
I
think
what
you
we
have
there
now
is
something
that
the
entire
business
Community
can
work
with.
V
You
know
we're
getting
a
lot
of
restaurants
coming
in
we're
getting
those
apartments
coming
into
the
area,
and
this
would
be
a
way
to
Showcase
Biloxi
going
forward
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
these
things
and
be
as
positive
as
we
can
without
creating
harm
or
concern
within
the
community
and
whatever
Woody
and
your
Council
can
get
together.
That's
reasonable!
You
know,
I
think
we
need
to
go
forward
with
it.
Thank
you.
W
Good
afternoon
y'all
Keith
Williams,
chairman
of
Gulf
Coast,
Carnival,
Association
and
I've,
tried
to
be
as
many
of
these
meetings
as
I
can.
Woody
has
kept
me
updated
on
a
lot
of
all
the
revisions
and
changes,
as
I
told
you
all
before
the
most
respect
for
this
Council
and
what
y'all
are
going
to
vote
on
and
what
you
all
are
going
to
have
that's
going
to
be
better
for
the
betterment
of
the
city
of
Biloxi
understand
what
y'all
are
trying
to
do.
W
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
putting
too
much
of
the
burden
on
the
organization's
like
Gulf,
Coast
Carnival,
who
is
a
non-profit
we
put
back
as
much
money
into
it
as
we
can,
but
I
fully
understand
the
money.
The
city
of
Biloxi
spends
with
all
the
support
with
the
fire
police
and
everything
else.
W
But
when
you
look
at
the
number
of
the
citizens
that
participate
in
the
events
of
Gulf,
Coast
Carnival
and
events
like
ours,
not
just
Gulf,
Coast
Carnival,
all
the
parades
that
happen
in
the
city
of
Biloxi
understand
that
we've
got
to
make
sure
we
have
it
as
buttoned
up
as
we
possibly
can.
Woody
tells
me
that
they
are
talking
out
in
the
hall
just
a
little
while
ago
about
some
of
the
revisions.
So
I
will
trust
Woody
in
making
sure
that
he
is
communicating
what
needs
to
be
communicated
and
I
know.
W
The
council
is
going
to
do
what's
right,
I
hope
we
get
another
chance
to
look
at
these
revisions
that
the
final
vote
is
not
taken
today,
but
we
do
get
to
discuss
it
some
more
and
take
a
look
at
it.
So
the
Gulf
Coast
Carnival
Association
for
many
many
years
I've
had
a
great
partnership
with
the
city
of
Biloxi
and
I.
Know
we'll
continue
to
do
so.
W
I
X
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Ronnie
Toler
I'm
with
scraping
the
coast.
We
moved
our
event
to
Biloxi
20
years
ago
at
the
coast,
coliseum
I
came
to
the
meetings
five
years
ago
and
told
this
Council
that
if
the
ordinances
that
were
proposed
five
years
ago
were
put
into
play,
that
we
would
have
never
moved
our
event,
I'm,
just
hoping
that
these
new
considerations
for
an
ordinance
is
not
just
a
knee-jerk
reaction
for
an
event
or
for
a
happening,
we'll
call
it
that
had
everybody
up
in
arms.
X
X
I
wish
that
we
could
take
a
little
more
time
and
get
definite
answers
from
the
council
and
on
these
ordinance
of
having
more
questions
answered
than
leaving
the
building
with
more
questions.
So
I
appreciate
the
consideration
that
the
council
has
given
to
all
the
events
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
y'all
on
more.
Thank
you.
A
A
Parades
other
conditions
pertaining
to
Municipal
facilities,
mobile
food
vending
recreational
vehicle
chain
in
the
storage,
our
Park
parking
of
heavy
trucks,
trailers,
major
recreation
vehicles,
mobile
homes,
and
also
pertaining
to
special
events.
Okay,
Miss.
D
Lawrence,
yes,
Peter
I
know
you've
been
meeting
with
them.
Could
you
kind
of
update
from
where
we
were?
We
started
off
with
a
bad
and
every
time
we
had
a
meeting,
you've
been
changing,
it's
getting
better
and
better
for
them.
You
know,
because
we
don't
want
to
affect
anybody
that
does
everything
right.
L
L
Yeah
I
would
say
that
nothing's
been
bad
or
better
or
good.
It's
just
that.
We
have
taken
some
comments,
they've
made
about
some
considerations.
They
have
that
that
we
didn't
address
and
we've
Incorporated
all
those
I
guess
what's
on
the
agenda.
L
Now
is
probably
the
third
draft
from
when
we
started
as
far
as
result
of
different
meetings
with
the
various
groups
that
do
do
apply
year
in
and
year
out,
and
the
groups
that
we
do
have
a
history
with
the
latest
concerns
that
that
were,
in
my
opinion,
are
valid
and
that
we've
worked
with,
for
example,
at
the
at
the
Coliseum.
During
cruising
the
coast,
there
is
a
like
a
swap
meet
and
there's
280
vendors
there
at
the
swap
meet.
So
how
do
we
deal
with
the
situation
of
you
know?
L
We
want
these
vendors
to.
We
want
to
make
sure
they're
paying
taxes.
We
want
to
make
sure
they're,
there's
a
record
of
who
they
are
and
not
just
showing
up.
So
what
we've
had?
What
we
had
before
is
in
one
of
the
previous
changes.
We
made
that,
if
you're
renting
on
a
city
facility,
where
you
already
have
a
special
rental
agreement
with
the
city
like,
for
example,
somebody
rents,
the
town
green.
L
But
as
far
as
vendors
are
concerned,
either
the
vendors
still
have
to
be
permitted
or
they
are
allowed
to
secure
appropriate
permissions
through
the
main
sponsor,
which
is
what
cruising
the
coast
does
right
now,
although
there's
280
event,
280
vendors
at
the
Coliseum,
they
all
have
permissions
and
and
Woody
keeps
as
permission
slips
and
tax
forms
from
all
of
them
that
he
controls
all
the
vendors
in
his
is
sort
of
keeping
track
of
their
compliance.
L
So
adding
that
requirement
in
there
putting
the
vendors
under
under
a
that,
the
spot
you
got
to
have
a
controlling
sponsor
to
control.
All
these
vendors
that'll
take
the
burden
off
of
us
as
far
as
regulating
every
vendor.
It'll
also
make
sure
that
we
know
these
vendors
are
paying
their
sales
tax
and
things
like
that.
L
We
want
to
take
a
business
model,
that's
working
well
and
working
good
and
we
don't
want
to
pass
something.
That's
going
to
that's
going
to.
You
know
unduly
burden.
What
they're
already
doing
another
thing
we
talked
about
that
was
Peter.
J
Yes,
excuse
me
before
you
go
on,
I
mean
I
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
about
cruising
the
coast,
but
let's
say
the
Gulf
Coast
Carnival,
Association
or
scraping
the
coast
because
we're
not
familiar
with
their
models.
I
I,
don't
want
to
make
an
assumption.
That's
graping
the
coast
if
they
have
an
event
at
the
Coliseum,
and
maybe
they
have
60
vendors
I,
don't
know
if
if
they
are
as
involved
with
their
or
have
a
list
of
those
sounds
like
Woody
and
cruising
the
coast,
they
know
who
the
vendors
are.
J
They
know,
probably
where
the
vendors
are
going
to
be.
They
know
how
to
contact
the
vendors.
They
have
all
the
pertinent
information
but
but
then-
and
as
you
were
speaking
I'm
thinking
about
Gulf
Coast,
Carnival
Association
man,
they're,
they're,
they're
spread
out
everywhere,
I,
don't
know
if
they
collect
any
information
on
their
vendors.
Now
so
I
don't
know,
I
understand
what
a
better
feel
for
what
cruising
the
coast
does
to
these
other
organizations.
L
They
pretty
much
do
that
I'm,
not
saying
they're
responsible
for
every
vendor,
that's
out
there
they're,
but
they're
responsible
for
a
vendor.
That's
connected
with
their
event.
Let's
say
if
a
Mardi
Gras
parade
is
going
on
and
Paul's
chicken
truck
just
shows
up
it's
not
connected
with
anybody,
but
it
just
shows
up
and
sets
up
at
the
courthouse
parking
lot.
It
doesn't
have
any
permissions,
it's
just
a
renegade
now
that
that
truck
should
either
have
its
own
separate
permit
through
the
city
or
they
should
have
a
permission
or
sponsorship
through
Gulf
Coast
Carnival.
J
So
now
I'm
pulling
the
thread
a
little
bit,
because
some
of
these
events
occur
on
the
weekends
I.
Don't
know
who
would
in
in
the
city
would
enforce
or
monitor
these
things.
But
if
they're
for
events
that
serve
on
the
weekend,
then
schedules
have
to
be
adjusted.
I
would
assume
I,
don't
know
if
the
state
sends
anybody
down
to
check
from
time
to
time.
But
if
Kenny's
Chicken
Shack
rolls
in
and
sets
up
in
on
a
corner
by.
J
A
good
turn
of
phrase
Kenny
and
sets
up
in
the
parking
lot
there
across
from
the
courthouse.
Then
somebody
at
some
point
I
would
assume
maybe
multiple
times
if
you
have
multiple
ones,
but
somebody's
going
out
and
saying
Kenny
I
need
to
see
your
permit,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
do
that
now,
but
it
it's
it's
monitoring
and
enforcement,
and
then
who
do
I
have
to
call
if
Kenny
says
I'm
not
moving,
because
we
all
know
how
obstinate
Kenny
can
be
at
times.
J
So
that
being
the
case,
I
mean
these
are
the
ripples
once
you
start
throwing
the
pebbles
in
the
puddle.
These
are
all
the
ripples
that
are
created
and
I
would
assume
that's
going
to
cause
a
need
for
greater
Manpower,
certainly
on
those
days
or
maybe,
if
that
those
times
of
the
years
for
events
that
run
an
entire
week.
J
L
Yeah
another
another
concern
was
cruising,
the
coast
advertises,
you
know
a
year
out,
and
would
they
perhap
be
or
Mardi
Gras
or
any
major
event?
L
Would
they
be
prohibited
from
advertising
because
it
said
until
the
permit
was
obtained,
and
so
we
just
modified
that
to
say
advertising
was
wouldn't
start
unless
and
until
the
permit
has
been
applied
for
which
is
a
year
out
and
for
a
large
event
they
can
apply
as
early
as
a
year
out.
So
you
know,
obviously
want
them
to
to
advertise
and
promote
the
coast.
So
question.
J
About
that
I'm
sorry
I
have
a
lot
of
questions.
Sure
so
let's
say
Mr
Bailey
applies
360
days
prior
to
the
event,
and
he
gathers
everything
because
he's
very
efficient
and
how
he
manages
that
event
and
he
gets
everything
to
the
event
special
event
coordinator
at
some
point.
That
coordinator
I
think
in
here
specifies
within
so
many
days.
They've
got
a
forward
after
doing
due
diligence.
J
Basically
they
forward
that
to
the
special
event
committee
and
they
look
over
it
in
a
particular
time
frame
and
and
then
it
I
guess,
they're
they're
approved
somebody
says:
okay,
you're
good
to
go
and
then
Mr
Bailey's
notified.
So
if,
if
he
applies
a
year
out,
basically
he's
it's
going
to
take
a
month
before
he
at
least
a
month
before
he
hears
something,
and
at
that
point
then
he's
able
to
advertise.
L
J
D
L
I
mean
I
think
the
grounds
for
denial
would
be
if,
if
an
event
or
something
is
submitted,
that
has
no
plan,
there's
no
real
security
plan
or
or
insurance
or
any
kind
of
a
plan.
L
D
L
Well,
if
they
don't
apply,
then
they
really
can't
advertise
and
and
and
if
they
don't
have
everything
in
order
within
four
months
before
and
they
continue
to
advertise,
then
you
know
if,
if
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
a
problem
on
the
coast,
we
would
move
to
see
conjunctive
action
before
the
event
takes
place.
L
K
Let
me
ask
a
few
questions
on
that
point.
You
know:
hey
no
doubt
tourism.
We
got
15
million
visitors
that
come
to
the
coast,
and
this
is
some
of
the
big
event
promoters
and-
and
they
worked
tirelessly
every
year
for
these
events
that
are
established
and
do
more
good
than
than
any
harm.
But
on
the
on
the
condition
that
you
just
said
that
nobody
has
applied
properly,
we
know
there's
going
to
be
crowds
that
are
difficult
to
control.
K
Could
we
then
Implement
the
the
teeth
of
the
matter,
which
is
curfews,
which
is
the
traffic
venting
plans,
which
is
you
know,
whatever
bands
that
we
need
to
put
in
effect,
to
protect
the
public
welfare?
Would
we
then
move
to
that
level?
Absolutely.
L
K
Think
that
satisfies
one
of
the
I
guess
conditions
that
we've
been
looking
for
is
that
we
don't
want
to
repeat
of
what
happened
this
past
in
April
again.
So
if
we
have
that
that
ability
to
recognize
that
and
take
action
in
advance,
I
I
think
that's
one
of
the
main
things
that
we've
been
looking
for.
L
And
if
we
know
of
locations
where
things
are
going
to
occur,
it's
better
I
think
the
chief
would
speak
to
this.
It's
better
to
be
on
the
front
end.
If
we
have,
you
know
a
court
order
or
otherwise
to
stop
the
event
before
it
starts.
K
Look
one
other
point
and
I
submitted
some
material
that
other
tourist
destinations
distribute
in
the
hotels
is
a
list
of
conditions
or
ordinances
or
expected
Behavior
or
certain
things
could
be
put
in
it.
K
In
effect,
I
know
our
hotel,
Lodging
Association
stands
ready
to
distribute
that
information
for
all
events
that
that
are
coming
to
to
the
Gulf
Coast,
but
I
think
that's
an
information
piece
that
that
lets
everyone
that's
attending,
whether
it's
Mardi
Gras,
whether
it's
cruising
the
coast
or
any
event,
know
that
there's
some
expected
behavior
that
that
there
could
be
consequences.
F
So
that
we
would
have
an
Intel
unit
that
would
immediately
start
researching
trying
to
determine
if
it's
a
social
media
posting,
they
would
immediately
try
to
determine
who
who
put
out
that
that
social
media
post
and
eventually
we're
going
to
figure
that
out.
That's
who
directly,
who
we're
going
to
go
to
okay
and
explain
it
to
them
you're
you're,
trying
to
to
advertise
for
something
that
you're
not
prepared
to
advertise
for
you
haven't
taken
the
proper
channels
you
haven't
done
the
proper
things.
F
Let
me
back
up
just
a
second
also
I
think
we're
chipping
away
at
something:
that's
a
little
bit
ridiculous,
and
that
is
we
keep
looking
at
cruising
the
coast
and
and
these
events
that
have
been
here
for
so
long
so
I
I,
can't
I
can't
imagine
that
that
we're
getting
caught
up
on
whether
they
can
start
advertising
when
they
need
to
start
advertising.
If
there's
been
no
significant
change
in
cruising
the
coast,
why
would
we?
Why
would
that
be
denied
by
anybody
right?
F
To
think
that
we
would
try
to
deny
some
something
like
that
that
has
been
repeatedly
proven
itself
over
and
over
and
over,
but
we've
also
said
that
that
the
only
event
that
gives
us
problems
is
is
this
time,
let's
just
refer
to
Black
spring
break.
Well,
that's
not
true.
All
events
come
with
problems.
Part
of
this
will
solve
some
of
those
problems
and
not
really
cause
anybody
any
of
the
the
promoters.
F
J
J
Maybe
we
saved
that
for
a
different
time,
but
I
just
I
keep
thinking
of
the
Schuler
lot
on
the
corner
of
Pine
Grove
and
Highway
90
and
there's
a
lot
of
activity
there
and
that
really
kind
of
is
part
of
the
focal
focal
point
in
terms
of
where
Ground
Zero
is,
and
that's
that's,
the
biggest
concern
of
mine
and
the
homeowners
in
that
area
and
and
I'm
thinking
for
events
like
spring
break
or
cruising
the
coast
for
that
matter.
I'm
I
assume
they.
J
They
work
with
property
owners
if
they're
going
to
have
a
side
or
a
venue
or
need
parking,
so
I
mean
they're
going
to
be
affected
to
some
extent
as
well,
but
who
who
I
guess
whoever
is
filling
out
whatever
paperwork
is
required,
has
to
identify
those
properties
and
if
I
read
this
correctly,
they've
got
to
have
some
sort
of
letter
or
notarized
statement
or
something
from
the
property
owner.
Saying
yeah
we're
good
with
this.
L
Right
right
and
the
property
owner,
depending
on
the
number
of
participants
on
that
piece
of
property,
may
have
other
permitting
to
ask
for
if
you
have
an
empty
lot
that
you
want
to
have
500
people
show
up
and
have
a
party
on
that
lot.
That's
going
to
fall
under
I
mean
maybe
a
tier
three,
but
that's
still
going
to
be
a
a
permit
right,
because
that's
not
the
normal
use
for
that
vacant.
Lot.
F
Right,
there's
several
things
in
there:
let's
just
let's
look
back
at
the
shoe.
A
lot
like
you're
talking
about
part
of
the
problem
with
the
Schuler
lot
is
that
when
there's
an
event
there
they're
all
the
way
down,
90.
I
mean
they're
over
the
sidewalk.
Their
vendors
are
set
up
right.
There,
people
actually
stopping
their
cars
getting
out
of
their
cars
and
buying
stuff
from
vendors
right
in
the
highway.
Part
of
this
will
move
those
folks
back,
am
I,
correct.
G
F
Of
the
parade
that
was
in
the
parade
orders
will
actually
move
those
fat
folks
back.
Is
it
60
feet?
30
yards
it'll,
move
them
back,
30
yards
off
the
roadway
that
will
prevent
some
of
that.
They'll
also
have
to
put
their
back
to
the
roadway,
so
you'll
have
to
actually
go
up
and
go
into
the
event
like
you
should
in
order
to
purchase
something.
I
F
You
have
to
take
it
all.
You
know
the
whole
big
picture
because
before
it
ever
gets
to
that
point,
if
they're
following
the
law
and
and
we're
going
to
see
to
it
that
they
follow
the
law
before
they're
going
to
have
a
big
event,
if
they're
following
the
law,
then
we
will
have
already
spoken
with
them.
F
We've
already
made
it
very
clear
to
the
promoter,
and
if
you
do
here's
here's
what's
going
to
happen
all
right,
we
have
to
have
teeth
somewhere
and
I
know
that
a
part
of
that
gives
me
a
lot
of
authority.
You
know
and
I
know.
You
had
mentioned
one
time
that
that
maybe
that
Authority
would
be
okay
with
me,
but
it
might
not
be
with
a
chief.
You
know,
five
years
from
now,
I
don't
have
any.
F
All
right,
good,
good,
I,
appreciate
that,
but
there's
got
to
there's,
there
has
to
be
a
point
there
has
to
be
somewhere.
It
has
to
be
somebody
that
wants
that
everything's
approved
and
this
this
event's
rolling
along
and
it's
going
good
and
then
suddenly
it
gets
out
of
hand.
There
has
to
be
a
mechanism
for
somebody
to
step
up
and
say:
okay,
we're
shutting
this
down.
That's
all
this
does
that's
what
this
does.
F
That's
what
that
portion
of
it
does
it
allows
me
that
lead
way
to
go
in
and
say
and
hey
if
I,
do
it
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
articulate
to
you
why
I
do
it
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
explain
to
you?
We
did
this
because
it
was
a
public
safety
issue.
D
G
F
Well,
I
can't
think
of
any
other
safe
way
to
do
it
than
other
than
just
to
set
them.
Let
them
walk
right
down
the
sidewalk
and
stop
and
buy
that's
a
problem
now
that
spills
into
the
roadway
and
we
lost
completely
lost
Highway
90,
simply
because
of
that
this
past
this
past
spring
break
so
moving
them
back,
making
them
face
away
from
the
roadway
it
it's
not
going
to
affect
them.
F
L
If,
if
they
did
apply,
let's
assume
they
do
apply
and
they
present
a
plan
that
has
vendors
packed
in
every
square.
Inch
I
mean
the
committee,
and
this
is
designed
to
say
rather
than
just
deny
it.
The
committee
can
say:
We'll
approve
this
with
with
half
the
vendors
or
with
a
reasonable
number
of
vendors
I
mean
it
can
be,
it
can
be
curtailed
or
modified
instead
of
just
outright
denying.
But
that's
something
the
committee
would
look
at
and
look
at
how
many
people
are
expected
to
be
here.
L
I
mean
I,
think
they
would
take
history
into
account
as
well,
but
I
mean
that's
one
way
to
deal
with
the
traffic
in
there
is
you
just?
You
would
have
to
limit
the
number
of
vendors
on
a
piece
of
property
and.
F
Not
only
do
you
have
vendors
because
the
majority
of
of
some
of
the
promoters
I
mean
they're
in
the
business
they
want
to
make
as
much
money
as
they
can
he's
right,
they're
going
to
pack
the
vendors
on
there,
but
the
reality
of
it
is
there's
more
to
it
than
vendors.
There
should
be
parking.
There
should
be
a
bunch
of
restroom
facilities.
F
There
should
be
a
bunch
of
things
on
that
property
other
than
just
vendors,
and
this
this
basically
lays
that
out
for
them
it
comes
to
the
committee,
but
before
it
ever
gets
there,
the
events
coordinator
is
going
to
tell
them
you
percentage-wise.
This
is
how
big
your
property
is.
You
can't
have
this
many
vendors,
you
don't
have
room
for
parking,
you
don't
have
room
for
anything
else
and
then,
if
it
comes
to
the
committee
nothing,
the
committee
is
either
going
to
deny
it
if
it.
K
That
makes
perfect
sense.
I
I
have
a
question
so
I
know
we
talked
about
this
past
year
on
spring
break
on
the
42
gun,
violations
up
to
12
assaults
on
police
officers.
It's
all
been
well
documented.
The
five
people
shot.
We
had
a
murder.
We
had
an
adjacent
City
that
also
experienced
some
issues
last
year
spring
break.
Was
it
all
good
and
and
hunky
dory
or
were
there
gun
violations
done?
Were
they
assaults?
Can
you
compare
maybe
two
years
worth
of
information,
yeah.
F
K
We're
just
talking
about
that
event.
What
triggers
enough
is
enough
and
look
spring
break,
may
come
back
this
year.
It
may
be
all
good
and
clear.
I
hope
it
does
that's
of
what
we
all
want,
but
what
happens
to
an
event
and
I'm
not
going
to
pick
on
spring
break
anymore,
but
just
say
a
event
that
demonstrates
a
history
of
those
I
mean
the
city
should
have
an
obligation
if
they
know
that
event
is
repeating
and
we
haven't
been
able
to
control
it
and
there's
going
to
be
this
type
of
activity.
K
F
Think
that
you
know
I
think
once
you
you've
seen
that
particular
event
or
a
particular
promoter
of
an
event
can't
handle
the
event
or,
as
allowed
things
to
get
out
of
hand.
I
think
to
me
enough
is
enough
there.
If
not,
it
does
lead
to
five
people
being
shot.
It
does
lead
to
a
lot
of
people
being
injured
and
an
officer
is
assaulted,
which
is
another
part
of
of
this
when
we
do
the
background
on
on
the
promoter.
F
If
we
have
a
promoter
that
comes
to
Biloxi
and
wants
to
put
on
a
big
event,
and
we
we
do
the
background
to
figure
out
that
that
he
had
an
event
in
Vegas
or
he
had
an
event
in
Arizona
or
wherever
he
had
his
event,
and
it
was
a
horrible
event
and
when
we
find
out
that
there
was
a
whole
lot
of
problems
and
they
didn't
follow
the
follow
the
rules
of
whatever
the
event
was
there
and
that
to
me,
that's
a
reason
to
deny
them
right.
There,
I.
F
Want
good,
solid
events
here,
family
events,
we
want
things
that
we
can
depend
on
and
not
have
to
worry
about.
Now,
there's
always
going
to
be
some
problems,
and
we
know
that
we
want
events
that
we
we
can.
We
can
allow
our
citizens
to
come,
be
a
part
of
if
there's
kids
out
there,
we
feel
safe.
That's
what
we
want.
I
think
we
all
are
going
to
agree
on
that.
I.
A
Have
a
quick
I
have
a
I
have
a
quick
question.
You
know,
and
and
this
is
going
back
to
events
like
the
spring
break,
have
you
thought
about
mounting
units
horses
to
help
navigate
those
crowds?
Because
you
know
once
the
streets
are
locked
up,
there's
not
much.
You
can
do
even
when
you're
talking
about
getting
the
ambulance
in
ambulance
out
getting
our
police
officers
from
point
A
to
point
B.
They.
F
Discussed
it
and
thought
about
it,
and
the
reality
of
it
is
to
me
amounted
mounted
units
are
great
and
they're
they're
they're
pleasing
to
see
they
do
a
lot
of
good.
But
if
we
get
to
the
point,
if
we'll,
if
we've
allowed
things
to
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
to
bring
in
a
mounted
unit
because
we
can't
get
somewhere,
we've
lost
it
anyway,
we
really
have.
We
don't
need
to
allow
Highway
90
to
become
roadblocked.
We
don't
need
that.
We
need
to
stop
it
ahead
of
time.
D
R
D
F
F
D
F
There's
nobody
to
talk
to
that's
right.
So
what
are
you
ready
to
call?
What
I
would
expect
to
happen
now,
once
these
rules
and
regulations
are
in
place,
I
would
expect
someone
with
integrity,
someone
that
knows
that
they're
going
to
run
a
decent
business
I
would
expect
somebody
to
step
up
and
say
you
know,
I'm
going
to
give
it
a
shot
and
then
they'd
have
to
follow
this
set
of
rules.
D
F
D
D
D
K
F
This
I
don't
know
that
it's
a
better
plan,
but
this
is
a
starting
point
for
us
and
you
may
have
you
may
have
heard
differently,
but
everything
is
not
hunky-dory
and
it's
not
all
working.
When
you
put
a
band
in
for
a
particular
month
and
say
you
know
we're
not
going
to
allow
any
alcohol
this
month.
Well,
guess
what
the
following
month:
they
do
it
and
that's
what's
happening
there
now
so
they're
this
they've,
not
they're
about,
like
us,
they're
feeling
their
way
through
and
and
trying
to
make
things
work
and
figuring
out.
F
I
F
K
Well
and
I'll
due
respect,
you
said
you
say:
these
ordinances
have
been
needed.
I
mean
I,
commend
all
these
organizations
that
are
here
at
the
table
today
they
have
worked
around
the
clock
to
ensure
they're
organized
and
they
have
a
safe
and
they
have
an
experience,
like
none
other
that
we
walk
away
with
a
good
taste
in
our
mouth.
K
J
Just
pay
special
attention
to
section
12,
4,
30.
spontaneous
unpermitted
events.
Basically
the
bulk
of
that
of
well
that's
entirely
devoted
to
events
that
aren't
responsible
and
accountable.
They
just
show
up
and
I
would
think
everything
that's
listed
under
that
it's
rather
extensive
a
number
of
individual
items,
but
it
gives
you
a
a
very
good
idea
of
what
what
is
expected
and
I
would
assume
would
give
you
with
the
data.
J
F
Absolutely
does,
and
that
would
be
one
of
those
one
of
those
reasons
to
if
someone
did
come
forward
and
applied
for
a
permit
the
year
before
they
had
just
went
ahead
and
had
their
event
and
never
even
applied
for
anything.
It
just
did
the
pop-up
event
kind
of
like
what
we
have
now
right.
They
had
actually
done
I
think
that
we'd
had
no
problems.
I,
don't
think
this
Council
will
have
any
problems
upholding
if
we
were
deny
that
you
know
no,
you
know
this
is
what
you
did
last
year.
We're
not
you
know,
I.
M
Peter
hypothetically,
let's
say
that
we
pass
all
of
these
organizations
and
I
think
it
says
a
lot
that
this
is
our
fourth
or
fifth
meeting
about
this
and
every
time
cruising
Coast
has
showed
up
scraping
the
coast
that
showed
up
the
Mardi
Gras
organizations
just
showed
up.
But
to
date
no
one
from
spring
break
has
showed
up
here.
I
think
that
that
says
a
lot,
but
hypothetically,
we
all
come
to
agreement.
We
pass
these
resolutions
at
what
point
do
we
pass
the
resolutions?
M
The
different
layers
of
stuff,
as
Kenny
was
referring
to
to
also
you
know,
to
address
some
of
the
specific
issues,
because
you
know
I
I
know
that
that
the
event
ordinances
are
necessary,
but
you
know
we
can't
skirt
around
the
issue
that
the
reason
that
we're
having
these
discussions
is
not
because
of
any
of
these
other
groups
we're
having
these
discussions
because
of
the
things
that
have
happened
at
Spring
break
this
past
year
and
the
years
in
the
past.
M
At
what
point
do
we
pass
those
other
things
to
put
layers
on
this
to
further
protect
the
city
and
then
once
we
pass
those
the
implementation
of
what?
If
these
guys
don't
apply
for
permits
and
then
boom,
we
have
40
or
50
000
people
show
up
in
our
city
and
there's
food
trucks
everywhere.
And
what
do
we
do
then?.
F
F
M
L
L
You
know
you
need
to
be
applying
at
least
120
days
out
four
months
before
this
thing.
That's
advertised
so
any
event
that's
being
advertised
over
and
over
and
we
get
to
day
119
and
there's
no
permit
I
mean,
then
that
is
a
that's
an
unpermitted
event
getting
ready
to
happen
in
four
months
and
then
I
think
at
that
point
we
can
talk
about
a
lot
of
different
things,
so
curfews.
So
as
far.
M
L
M
M
M
How
do
we
make
that
stop
if
they
haven't
applied
for
the
proper
permits
or
they
haven't
you
so
if
119
days
hits
and
they're
sitting
here
steadily
advertising
on
Facebook
or
you
know,
there's
a
Facebook
page,
that's
promoting
come
to
Biloxi
on
this
particular
date.
What
how
do
we?
How
do
we
circumvent
that?
How
do
we
stop
that?
Well,.
L
F
We
can
identify
who
they
are.
There's
there's
sanctions
that
we
can
take
against
I
mean
they're
they're
violating
the
law.
They
know
they
know
what
this
ordinance
says.
They
know
they
have
to
do
this
ahead
of
time.
We
can
take
sanctions
against
them
as
far
as
as
laundering.
Currently,
we've
done
this
for
years.
Every
time
there's
an
event
now
every
lot
that
that's
not
filled
up
or
any
any
business.
That's
had
problems
in
the
past,
we're
getting
a
trespass
letter
from
we've
been
doing
that
for
years.
Okay,
yeah,
all
that
stuff
we've
done
and.
M
F
We'll
see
a
a
Facebook
page
post,
maybe
about
an
event,
that's
going
to
take
place
at
a
hotel,
so
we
go
directly
to
the
hotel
and
ask
the
hotel.
Do
you
know
anything
about
this
event?
This?
This
is
regular.
This
happens
all
the
time.
Okay
and
the
hotel
is
going
to
tell
us
well
yeah,
we've
rented
that
room
to
so
and
so
so
on.
So
we
rented
a
suite
to
this
person
or
we
don't
know
anything
about
it.
So,
a
lot
of
times
we
get
help
from
the
business
Community.
They
all
shut
it
down
themselves.
F
I
mean
that's
the
last
thing
they
want
nobody's,
telling
them
that
they're
doing
this,
but
probably
70
percent
of
the
stuff
that
we
see
gives
a
physical
location
and
that
physical
location
belongs
to
somebody
else.
You
can
start
you
can
start
with
them.
Sometimes
they
have
some
knowledge
of
it.
Well,
yeah
I
didn't
realize
that's
what
they're
doing,
but
thanks
for
telling
me
or
no
I
have
no
knowledge
of
that
at
all.
This
happened.
A
J
Yeah
I
mean
we
keep
thinking
and
talking
about
I.
Think
in
our
frame
frame
of
mind
is
you
know
tens
of
thousands
of
people?
This
also
helps
you
with
a
group
of
a
thousand
who
come
here
for
a
reunion
that
you
don't
know
anything
about.
Maybe
they
gets
wild
and
crazy
or
groups
of
500
people
and
I.
Don't
know
how
many
of
those
events
you
had
but
I.
Remember
you.
You
take
them
off
at
one
of
our
Council
meetings
or
workshops.
It's
just
like
countless,
it's
not
just
10
or
20.
this.
O
A
O
And
I
I'm
just
now
getting
the
the
floor,
so
I'm
gonna
start
from
the
beginning,
and
we
talked
about
the
events
and
and
all
of
the
great
events
that
we
have
here
in
Biloxi,
the
ones
that
are
done,
the
right
way,
the
ones
that
are
responsible,
they're
cruising
the
coast
to
scraping
the
coast,
the
Mardi
Gras
parades
and
all
that
stuff.
We
want
those,
but
we
also
want
more
events
right.
O
So
anytime
government
does
something-
and
it's
just
like
physics,
there's
there's
an
equal
and
opposite
reaction
right,
and
so
what
do
you
foresee?
The
negatives
of
passing
these
ordinances
are
I
know
when
you
add
any
restriction
on
something
you're
going
to
decrease
your
your
desire
to
use
Whatever,
It,
Is,
Well.
F
I
would
I
would
be
the
first
one
to
jump
up
and
say
if,
if
we
realize
that
something
is
overburdensome
for
one
of
our
established
events,
that
we
know
that
we
want
here,
they've
proven
themselves
I'm
going
to
be
the
first
one
to
tell
you
that
hey
we
need
to.
We
need
to
change
this
and
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
of
those
that
we're
going
to
need
to
make
changes
to.
But
again,
there's
got
to
be
a
start.
O
So
I
mentioned
this
in
in
a
prior
meeting
and
I
think
12
4
30.
What
what
Dr
Tisdale
referenced
earlier,
I
think
that
has
a
lot
of
power
and
I
think
that
gives
you
a
lot
of
authority
and
enforcement
ability
to
stop
these
spontaneous
non-permanent
events
and
I.
Think
that
gives
you
the
ability
to
check
for
permits
shut
down
on
sanctioned
events,
the
authority
to
shut
down
events
that
are
getting
out
of
hand.
O
I
think
that
vests
within
your
department,
the
ability
to
help
really
control
this
food
vendors
that
are
setting
up
on
the
side
of
the
road
get
rid
of
them
immediately.
People
that
don't
have
Outlets
or
or
events
tend
not
to
hang
out
in
that
area.
Right
I
mean
if
we
didn't
have
imagine
black
spring
break
spring
break
whatever
you
want
to
call
the
term.
O
Imagine
that
event
without
any
food
vendors
without
any
merchandise
vendors
on
on
the
beach
people
would
disperse
quite
quite
rapidly,
because
there's
nothing
for
them
to
do
or
nothing
to
entertain
their
time.
Right.
I
think
that
gives
you
the
most
teeth
out
of
this
entire
ordinance
and
Peter.
O
Actually,
if
we
could
I
would
like
to
ask
you
if
you
could
draft
or
have
the
administration
draft
an
ordinance,
Tech
change,
specifically
to
add
that,
while
we
keep
debating
all
the
rest
of
this
stuff,
I
would
like
to
put
that
to
a
vote
and
allow
at
least
section
12
430
from
this
proposed
ordinance
to
be
enacted
and
give
the
chief
of
media
Authority
I.
Think
that's
going
to
give
us
the
most
bang
for
a
buck
out
of
all
this.
In
order
to
accomplish
the
tasks
that
we're
really
seeking
to
accomplish.
O
F
D
D
F
Currently,
the
way
it
works
now
is
that
the
vendors
get
their
vendor
permit.
This
would
be
changed
a
little
bit,
but
the
vendors
get
their
vendor
permit
through
through
Jerry's
office,
and
then
Jerry
sends
us
a
list
of
the
of
the
approved
vendors.
So
most
events
it's
pretty
easy
to
determine.
If
someone
is
an
approved
vendor,
you
know.
First,
let
us
see
your
license,
you're,
not
on
the
list.
You
know
so
that
that
part
of
it
can
be
dealt
with
pretty
easy
and
if
they're
not
a
vendor.
You
know
the
vote.
D
Just
I
don't
know
some
of
this
stuff's
just
creates
to
me
too
much
to
strain
on
the
police
and
anybody
else
I
mean
coder
folks.
If
they
don't
work
on
a
weekend,
so
they're
not
going
to
be
around,
they
have
85
food
trucks
out
there
within
the
you
know
if
they
registered
or
not
registered
and
like
what
is
that
the
permits
when
he
said
seven,
eight
events,
you
got
to
get
a
permit
for
each
event
or
it
just
falls
under
cruising
across
when
they
have
something.
L
Them
that
they're
just
going
to
apply
for
one
permit
with
all
of
what
they're
doing
I
mean
all
their
events.
During
that
time
period,
I
mean
if,
if
the
committee
said,
we
think
that's
seven
events
and
we're
going
to
charge
you
seven
times
he's
got
the
right
to
I,
guess
appeal.
Anything
like
that
and
I
think
that
would
be
corrected
or
modified
if
need
be,
but
that's
one
event,
nobody
would
consider
that
to
be
seven
events.
D
L
Well,
we
started
out
at
fifteen
thousand
total
fees,
I
mean
I,
think
the
I
think
if
you
knew
the
real
numbers
for
the
overtime
fees
for
the
police
during
cruising
the
coast,
it
would
be
surprising
we
started
out.
Fifteen
thousand,
we
looked
at
other
cities,
Panama
City
has
an
un.
They
don't
really
have
a
limit
on
what
the
fees
would
be.
They
just
said
we'll
calculate
what
the
fees
are
and
we'll
tell
you
and
that's
it.
They
don't
even
have
a
cap
on
it.
So
first
we
put
a
cap
of
15.
L
and
we
looked
at
some
more
talking
with
different
entities
and
different
councilmen
and
we
talked
about
an
amount
we
want
to
make
people
comply,
and
so
we
got
a
a
cap
of
5
000
which,
but
they
could
also
come
and
like
they
have
an
Ask.
They
make
an
ass
to
the
city
and
we
give
them
in-kind
services
and
that
could
be
dealt
with
as
part
of
the
overall
application.
We
have
separate
agreements
and
ordinances
and
resolutions,
not
ordinances.
L
We
have
separate
agreements
with
like
Bill
fish
and
and
certain
other
Crews
on
the
coast,
Mardi
Gras.
We
have
special
resolutions
anyway,
so
that
would
be
they'd
have
the
right
to
come
in
and
say
we
think
some
of
that
fee
should
be
offset
or
waived
or
whatnot.
D
Yeah
I
mean
that's
something
we
need
to
look
at
them
and
could
detect
like
I,
think
winning
the
Chevy
says
he's
talking
about
over
30
million
for
the
coast,
but
cruising
that's
like
two
different
weekend.
The
billfish
tournament
brought
a
bunch
of
millionaires
in
they
played
the
gamble,
mostly
fish
and
they're,
going
yeah
the
scraping
glasses.
How
many
days
y'all
have
to
scraping
three.
D
F
I'm
wrong
Peter
once
once
an
event
has
been
approved:
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna,
it's
gonna
come
before
the
council
and
the
council.
At
that
point,
the
the
the
promoter
can
ask
at
that
point:
I'm
not
sure
correct.
They
can
ask
at
that
point
to
reduce
that.
That's
going
to
be
up
to
y'all,
I,
think
I'm.
K
D
I
D
Here
and
we
need
to
protect
them
just
like
anybody
else,
so
I'm
not
really
big
on
Jordan
Moore
forget
that
the
police
did
this
on
the
farm
I
had
to
do
this
me
I
like
to
have
a
defense
in
town
like
to
support
him,
and
he
said
he
needs
to
step
up
sometime
and
do
the
right
thing
to
make
sure
you
take
care
of
all
the
people
that
do
the
right
things
in
the
city.
You
know
so
like
that
problem
we
had
at
War
Market
Jerry
it
took
us.
D
We
got
the
advertising
on
the
on
the
phone
I
sent
it
to
Jerry.
It
was
out
there
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
Nathan
neighborhood
I
know
he
was
out
there
for
about
two
days,
trying
to
stop
all
that.
Meth
I
mean
it
shouldn't
have
to
go
through
that.
You
know
it's
whatever
she
would
know
was
wrong
at
residential.
Just
can't
be
commercial.
You
can't
charge
and
I
mean
she
just
kept
saying.
Well,
I'm
not
doing
this
I'm
not
doing
that,
but
it
took
us
two
days
to
shut
that
down
before
it
ever
did
it.
A
A
I
would
like
to
just
see
directly
the
changes
that
we've
made
regarding
cruising
the
coast
scraping
the
coast
and
the
other
ones.
How
does
these
changes
affect
each
individual
group?
That's
something
I
would
like
to
see
later
later
on.
If
you
guys
could
get
me
some
kind
of
copy.
A
These
changes
will
affect
these
different
groups
because
you
know,
like
I,
said
some
of
them
may
be
okay,
some
people
are
based
on
what
I'm
hearing
are
not
happy
with
them,
and
I
think
that
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
vet
each
and
every
item,
because
I
don't
have
a
final
copy
of
any
of
it.
Myself
and
I
would
like
to
see
it
and
actually
see
how
they
affect
the
different
groups.
Yes,.
L
L
Several
weeks
from
now
right,
unless
you
want
to
have
a
special
meeting
before
then
that
I
would
just
get
the
changes
out
and
we
would
just
put
them
on
the
next
agenda
and
you'd
have
plenty
of
time
to
look
at
them.
L
M
O
O
O
O
What
does
anyone
contact
the
chief
or
anybody
at
this
point
and
say,
hey
we're
having
an
event
and
we
require
certain
police
officers.
I
mean
there?
Is
they
do
there's,
even
if
there's
one
iota
of
that
language
in
in
the
ordinances,
I
think
that
12
430
is
still
fine.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
clear
that
the
that
the
chief
and
his
Department
have
the
teeth
to
do
the
few
things
that
we
really
think
they
need
to
have
I.
L
Think
there's
a
business
permit,
but
I
mean
you
want
to
make
to
make
it
to
where
somebody
could
pay
a
15
business
permit
and
then
just
do
whatever
they
wanted.
Then
that
would
not
be
a
spontaneous
event
and
you
got
to
have
all
the
I
think
you
have
to
have
all
the
rules
in
place.
That's
not
being
followed
because
otherwise
it's
just
a
15
permit
to
do
whatever
you
want.
It's.
O
Still
a
permit,
though,
and
I
guarantee
you
at
in
during
the
spring
break.
None
of
those
food
vendors
are
coming
in
to
pay
a
15
permit.
None
of
them
are
paying
to
do
anything,
and
if
they
are,
then
we
have
heads-up
notice
on
what
we
need
to
plan
for
and
prepare
for,
but
it's
not
happening
and
none
of
these
pop-up
events
they've
always
been
able
to
do
that.
They've
never
done
it,
they're
not
going
to
do
it
and
it
just
gives
Chief
the
teeth.
O
Now,
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
not
insecure
nature
by
this
Council
about
passing
these
ordinances
and
we're
trying
to
find
language
that
we're
all
comfortable
with
and
we're
working
with
private
groups.
I.
O
Just
think
that
that
one
section
you
could
probably
find
unanimous
support
on
this
Council
for
that
one
section
and
I
think
it
comports
with
with
what
we
want
to
do
and
what
the
authorities
we
want
to
give
the
the
chief
and
so
at
a
de
minimis
level,
I
think
we
should
pass
that,
and
so,
if
we
could
just
have
that
in
case,
we
can't
come
to
a
consensus
on
the
rest
of
it.
At
least,
we
can
come
to
an
agreement
on
that.
One
section:
yeah.
J
Now
I'm
I
personally
I
like
that
idea,
and
it
may
be
Peter
that
all
of
this
has
to
hang
together,
not
just
12
4
30,
that
section
by
itself,
but
if
we
could
at
least
tailor
it
so
that
it
could
stand
on
its
own
and
get
get
it
through
a
first
and
second
reading,
then
Chief
Miller
could
start
putting
that
into
place
and
start
using
it
immediately.
And
these
are
for
those
spontaneous
assemblage
that
we.