City of Binghamton, NY CAUD, 7 Mar 2023

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CONTENTS
00:00 Call to Order
01:00 15 Hawley Street
02:00 44 Court Street
04:00 49 Court Street
35:50 52 Clinton Street
45:30 Other Business

A

I think um probably should do this more often as we'll go around and introduce who's here, and it's like a good attendance. Let's start down on your own sharing a mic.

B

John Darrow Daniel need Sophia.

C

A

Ellsworth but.

B

Dylan Pelton.

C

Julia erling.

A

Pat McGinnis all right. Thank you. um First order of business is we have minutes from January 10th I have a motion to approve.

B

Motion to approve and presented second.

A

Okay, all in favor and then minutes from February 7th.

D

At motion to approve.

A

Second, by John all in favor. Thank you all right. uh First on the agenda is uh 15 Holly Street.

A

If I understand it correctly, there's been no new information submitted. This was a previous application.

E

C

Did we did meet with him after the last session and went through his options and he was going to collect thumb and send to us and he did not.

A

Okay, so all right, so maybe pretty straightforward I think we need a motion to deny the application.

E

B

Deny and with an addendum was kind of monitored. I noticed today on the way over, the sign is still there. Suddenly, some signage appears to meet the.

E

F

All second, okay,.

A

All in favor thank you pass.

A

um 44 Court Street.

A

This was also a previous application, so this.

B

Is the previous building- and this is the previous sign he resubmitted these changes- that we told him to make it's a little smaller on the side on the edge I think that's to fit in with the tablature on the building foreign.

A

So he he was following what we suggested.

G

A

And John did you have some comments regarding how it was framed or I.

B

I did and I just want to make sure that he conforms with what we had uh suggested. So the mock-up that we have here mostly conforms about the board had had told him to do. It was supposed to be confined within the dimensions of the pre-existing Millwork and we're going to allow him to remove two of the frames and encapsulate his sign within one larger frame to conform to the Millwork on each side. So it needs to shrink. It needs to be ordered.

B

If you look at the application, this side went from 24 inches to 20, inches and I. Think it wasn't conformed. Okay, just the mock-up didn't show I know that person so.

A

He needs to do the framing around it similar to the framing in.

B

In the same linear fashion is is, what's on either side you can't pop up or that that was the intent of the board and.

C

That was fully explained, um I understand.

B

Then, if he understands I make a motion to approve his presented.

A

Right, second, all in favor all right. Thank you. Motion passed.

A

Hi uh 49 Court Street this.

B

Is for the current sign? That's on 49 Court Street, the Metro Center building right here.

B

It's looking for approval because they put it up without approval, and the applicant is here so.

A

I'm sorry I didn't realize you were the applicant, could you come down and uh have a seat there and uh just tell us your name and we'll uh we'll try to work with you on getting this resolved.

A

Is your mic on by the way you got a green light on that? Okay, green now, push it green there we go so we're we are recording, so I'm, sorry I didn't realize it was now. Would you start again, please sure.

H

My name is Jeff I'm from pack signs uh we're a manufacturer out of Queens of New, York and uh I'm here, uh representing uh The Spine Center. Today, the uh the doctor wanted to come, but he has patience. So he asked me to come and uh and explain what he he's trying to accomplish.

H

um Last summer uh the doctor had to contact us and uh at that time what he asked us to do was he said that he had some windows that had exposure to uh to Court Street here in Binghamton, but it also had exposure to the inside of his actual practice.

H

He wanted something that would be able to um promote health and wellness by having light and sunlight and actually patience to be able to actually see outside similar, like the buses here from Broome County, where he had the buses you can't see in, and that was the point. So the people on the the sidewalk would not be able to actually see patience literally because right behind those windows are actually opposites. You know where patients are actually in, and so he wanted to be able to have that ability.

H

You know he could have done it with with just blinds and that's what he did, but then you you can't see outside and you can't get the light inside. Just just like you have the light here, and so that's what he wanted me to our company to put together something that would be. You know interesting, attractive and and quite honestly uh you know I guess it's my fault.

H

We really didn't um didn't, consider the uh the implications of cypromed, because we've done so many similar things in in uh in the in the city which is very similar to that where they cover up the windows, so people cannot see from outside to see inside, but they can see from inside and they can see outside.

H

So so that's what we did and then, of course now we have a problem. The um it also asked me to and then again it's it's somewhat irrelevant, but but it's still a fact that there are numerous other things just basically like it.

H

You know left right and all the way around the corner um that I can pass out. They're, not all windows. Some are windows, some other things. Some are full Graphics, some are things are not full Graphics, but they might might as well have been because you can't see it. Okay, it's got everything's covered, I mean I can pass these around if you'd like, but these are the things that are right here. So.

A

No and I think that would be helpful. Yeah, we'll just pass them around. Okay, send them on one side or the other, and.

H

E

H

Again, I think the doctor's application is different. You know quite honestly, I mean you know the liquor store, which has all the things all over it. You can't see inside you know the place across the street, which is says, logos and all the other stuff.

H

It's you know, I guess you could there's a little spots you can see, but the application is different. I mean what actually he's actually trying. He actually has a real reason to do it and uh at the same time it's uh was something that is is interesting and vibrant.

H

At least we think he thinks his patients think is something that uh that you know provided well.

A

Certainly, I think it's a different uh situation than we've had before most of the stuff that we see are for advertising purposes, it's not a dual role. Obviously this is a dual role from what I'm understanding from you, so yeah.

H

Totally, in this case, I mean that was what he actually started with, because again, this is the actual material okay I mean this is this is what happens on the inside and you'll see one of the pictures I passed around actually had a picture, one of one of the offices. You know you can see that I showed you. This is what you see inside and then this is the story. What you see? Well, that's what you see ultimately outside right, that's the actual material right. It's a very thin, perforated film! That's.

A

Right, so why uh the board members are looking at these things, um there's two things that were were well one thing we're mainly charged to do right and that that's to uphold the historic uh guidelines that the city council has passed. So we have a. We have this book that we try to follow and and go through that and there's exceptions, and we try to work through that. So we're we're going to try to work through this with you as well.

A

The other thing is, you have to uh abide by the city sign ordinance, which is a certain amount of signage per lineal foot of Frontage of the of the building I, don't know if that's come up yet or if the building department has looked at that, but it seems like an awful lot of signage for a short amount of lineal footage.

A

So you may have two things that that we're fighting against one is a sign. You know meeting the side, uh ordinances of the city and then two meeting, the historic preservation that that we've established in the city.

A

So those are the two things and I don't know about the second one about the amount of signage that you're allowed.

B

Technically the total sanitary, the total sign area of a business unit, should be limited to two square feet of sign per one linear foot of business, facade.

E

C

A

So, even if we, even if we all loved what this was right at this point, I still think you have a problem with a sign ordinance in the city based on the allowable square, footage of Sonics right and I. Don't know what that is that somebody have to do the math right.

H

We understand the if I understand it correctly um and I think the doctor uh would would want to.

H

We were to do this is again he has the reason, and we think it's a good, a fair reason um and that we would only want, probably because you know to Cod to at least support the project and that he would go through. You know, with a a variant process. I think is probably the uh the best method.

H

Oh well, that's good, that's a question. um You know it depends on on actually where it goes. You know in this particular one I I would guess, probably gets a great deal of sunlight, probably physically.

H

Three years, if, if he's lucky.

H

Yeah it it definitely has a life on that particular product yeah. So.

A

What happens to it after the lifespan? You see both ways or it has to be reapplied or.

H

Like where all the little holes are and it'll start looking ragged and he's not going to want that or or eventually, if somehow it could stay on there, but it won't, it would literally eventually become all white okay 15 years from now it'd be totally. It would be totally. uh You know it would turn all white on both sucks, but that we would never. He would never do that.

A

And that gets applied on the inside or outside and.

H

The outside outside yeah, it has to be on the outside physically I.

A

Was just going to ask you, it has to be.

H

The deal it has to be on the outside. It can't be physically on the inside, because the way the adhesive on the product itself, it won't work either way.

G

uh Second uh point: there about the square footage: can the material be neutral? In other words, could a certain portion of it have your design or aesthetic on it and the rest of it be neutral? So it would, you know, wouldn't otherwise be noticeable, otherwise,.

H

Well, let me get the answer, is yes and no, but it won't accomplish this Mission there's actually a picture in there. I don't know if you might have seen it I tell you the truth. If you happen to me, I could find it, but there's one that it's uh on sanango, street and I. Think it's the there's a cafe there. No it's a cafe uh and and what you'll see is one of those pictures. Okay and one of those pictures is sort of answers, your question.

H

It becomes actually a kind of a light gray, but you can actually see through no matter how you do it you're going to actually see through so yeah I mean you. Could you could do it, but it won't solve the problem. You're still going to see people's legs and heads, and- and you know uh you know it- wouldn't it won't, it won't purpose of of the application again. His goal was so that again it could be. You know sunlight, you know you could see through it.

H

You know from the inside and you could do that you can when you're inside it it doesn't look exactly like you're outside, but pretty good, pretty close, it works, but outside it. Obviously it has a different app. It has different feel. Even if you stand right next to the window, you can actually see here.

H

You're famous yeah, that's that's the one. There.

H

I mean technically that that is a 100 application on the window. uh It's but part of it you kind of see through and part of you don't, but.

A

So when I looked at some of these, you guys have you haven't seen it over there, but um I, don't know which ones are in the historic district and which ones are probably stories.

A

That's a factor, so we have an historic district. We have outside of that, so outside of it we have no purview so inside what has been the policy that we've tried to follow with the guidelines is we understand that graphic window signage is is, is appropriate? It's what's it's what's coming it's what's here right, it makes sense, but we haven't allowed it to be a full window. Graphics we've allowed words uh We've allowed a background and uh of a non-color, but we haven't had a full full display.

A

Now you bring us present uh pictures or photographs of those things that are on there, some of which may be in violation that we didn't have a chance to approve or disapprove uh so, but I appreciate you bringing those, because there are some that are full graphics and we'd have to see if they're in the historic district, the one with the I know, this food shop has got it completely covered window.

H

That there is some variation here.

A

F

H

The truth of the matter is his: his purpose is entire. Almost entirely different, I mean.

A

H

But it actually has a reason behind it.

A

C

um Can I add something sure if um a structures, that's contiguous to a historic district, the historic district guidelines apply. So this is basically abstract. You just can't apply for historic tax credits, trying to expand our historic districts, but you do have to comply with the historic design, guidelines and I'm. Looking. We will look into the Grove that um and we this is still going to the zoning officer for review for the percentage covering.

C

So if you have recommendations to for this to fit better in the district, we can talk about those and make sure that he gets bad as well, but in any type of waiver would have to go through the zoning board of appeals for the sign coverage right.

H

I think the doctor stands that I think again. What what he asked me to do today again was to make sure that what what he was trying to do and that he was hoping for just um a a record, possibly a recommendation for approval through a variance process. I think he fully understands that a variance would be required. You know, and again it's my fault. You know what honestly I didn't really think about it and because of what it is. So you know I'll accept the responsibility for now.

H

Actually, even though I'm not here but I still should have thought of that you know a little closer, but at the same time he was asking for an inmate sense of something we had done numerous times in other.

E

Other localities.

G

Just to be clear so for it to have the the sun blocking properties that would have to have a design on the exterior of some sort, yeah.

H

G

A solid color work if it were black or blue or yeah.

H

I guess that would work I'm.

G

Just thinking out loud to get you to your square footage requirement.

H

I I guess so you know.

B

We have an application for the actual sign, as it exists.

B

I mean is: is there an application for it on file with the city somewhere or the sign just went up no.

H

No I'm, sorry again, we actually didn't think or I didn't think in this particular case or just didn't think about to be honest, I guess.

E

H

Guilty is guilty as charged and the the property owner we throw them in the doctor, everybody was like well yeah that that really makes a whole lot of sense. Okay,.

B

H

B

Let us Ponder the penalty, okay, so the the ultimate objective here is I perceive it is the doctors looking to protect his clients, privileged medical information from General View and he's trying to do it aesthetically pleasing fashion, which he has achieved with this? We have no application before the city. To my knowledge pack has a presence in the city been a lot of work up here. I know that you know better.

H

B

Sure, okay, that stop right there. Now what I'm on a roll here I'm having fun the The Hangman's standing there waiting for you already pled guilty and uh we do have guidelines we've had this in past, we're it is, is appeared and we we simply cannot allow it exiting if you're able to get a variation which would have to come back before us once you achieve it.

B

Okay um in, in the meantime, we don't have uh a means of approving, what's presented according to the guidelines and the laws that this commission operates under and I don't mean to be the the bearer of the black message. You know, um I think it's a nice sign.

B

He may have to go for for an Optive window treatment, be it drapes or blinds again with a conforming sign in the windows to get through the historic guidelines. That's just there. We we do have top right under under the auspices of what we have um if he might have been around the corner. Two blocks away: you'd, never even be seeing us and it'd be our loss, because we wouldn't have the pleasure of meeting him.

B

um That's my two cents here, um I, don't know we could possibly table it pending a review or something but right now we don't have the wiggle room to accept it.

A

I think um were you looking for or even a recommendation or some thoughts as to what we could get to.

B

We have a book of the guidelines upstairs that we can just give you the all. The sign requirements are spelled out in the charter for the city, I.

E

Put a few pertinent.

B

Ones up here, but there are other ones that you'd have to and remember that the sign that you're proposing.

D

If there's no lettering on it, if it's not really a sign, it's.

B

Window treatment to opaque the view from the inside out, you can still have just a black color. Without it really being a sign would be an application.

A

So so that's you know to achieve the what the doctor is looking for, so people can see out or get laid in, and people can't see in. You can take that same material as as was mentioned and make it be a caller without anything on it. uh It's not a sign and- and we've allowed that situation to happen before as well and.

B

Your signage could conform to the measurements is outlined by the city set. On that black backdrop, I know that sounds silly. We didn't write the guidelines, we're just the administrators of the policy.

C

Yes, you could uh take this case, the Zone board of appeals, but um it would help us Cod either denied based on um the conditions presented or conditionally approved it based on conditions presented as well, and then you would take it to zoning, but then the uh right.

H

C

Zoning officer then, would review.

H

I think that's what the doctor, who would wish.

C

H

Be that pod would either have a neutral position, or you know this is a different position and that we would recommend approval and the variants would make their own decisions beyond that versus now. It can't happen.

A

I I think he I think he needs some kind of a decision from here to go to a variance or seating right, yeah so in in general, as I'm just talking through it um we're okay, with the material being on the window, providing it's not all littered littered up. I'll say it's offensive, not all.

B

Signage well, the signage adapts can form for.

D

B

To conditionally approve it in my opinion- and that's all this- this is an opinion. This isn't that it would have to conform with the city guidelines for signage at this time right, although he could opaque the rest of the window right.

A

What is all the.

E

A

Don't have a clear look at it, what what's all the uh words that are, underneath, you know like, say the the farthest panel to the left, because that's the other thing we, you know, we recognize it to God advertise for the business and you've got to indicate. What's what's there.

H

But it's a bigger picture. Okay. That would help.

F

It looks like there are services that are offered there right.

A

So, oh I'm, sorry we got thank you.

A

Again, this is I think this has got to be the first Medical Practice advertisement we dealt with when it comes to the food establishments that we try not to have everything, that's on the menu on the front sign in the historic district. They advertise their business and they identified what they did, and that was that's what we're trying to follow.

B

The Southern Tier spine and disc, with the doctor's name to me, is the sign the rest of it's advertisement other than the contact information. The phone number um one of the other things that's just flown through the back of my mind here, guy being the villain, is that um without a mock-up of the proposed sign to amend it, I'm uncomfortable um going forward, I mean if we're going to conform to the city, and this is it with the matted black background.

B

Are we going to approve all this or are we going to streamline it here, um and you know we had the the mobile phone place, qriket Wireless or whatever we had to have those all pulled off before and they went around the corner of the Perry building. We did a couple, others I know, there's a couple that are out there right now that if we could get code enforcement to enforce, they wouldn't be.

A

Well, they're appeared to be a few in the photo that he provided. Yeah I.

B

A

Okay, so so you think you're headed towards a uh more or less a denial, so they can go to a variance as opposed to a denial with conditions. Well,.

B

Okay, so as I understand it, if we we put conditions we're putting conditions on the sign that is there, how do we? How do we make conditions in a speculative Natures? We do not have a reformatted uh sign for say a third of the window or whatever the the guidelines are half the window, that we're supposed to approve I, don't like proven things. I can't see.

A

um No I understand I'm.

B

Just very uncomfortable with that you can speak okay and uh I I. You know, I looked at the Southern Tier of spine and disc, and to me that's the sign. Everything else is is kind of superfluous. If we were going to make a proposal or a motion for.

B

Possibly approving it going forward, I would want to identify the sign or the the amended acceptance with with suggestions or or whatever going forward.

F

Yeah kind of tagging off that you know I think I could see us doing some sort of conditional approval or something if we know like what pieces of the sign are going to be on whatever is going to be approved like is it going to just be the Southern Tier and the contact information? Are there additional pieces that the applicant would want on?

F

You know create an idea of what those elements are that they wanted to keep for the new sign, I think that makes conditional approval a little easier, because we at least we can see what pieces are going to be. There.

B

We have the option of maybe tabling it to be represented as to what the the proposed signage would be.

A

If we, if we table this, can he you know legally go for her Barons because he wasn't denied by the board they had to make an action in order for him to go for a variance. That's that's where the thing now, the other thing I was wondering, I mean if, if anything comes off a panel, it all comes off right yeah. So it's not a not pick and choose. The panel disappears if if he doesn't get his variance and not the holding by two, so what do you?

A

What's the city typical to do, 50 over allowable or ten percent over allowable 20 over allowable? This seems like it's a lot over allowable. It.

C

A

Be considered, I think you're going to lose your variance and I'm I'm, not speaking with any knowledge of that, but there's a percentage that they're going to allow you to have, and if this is over significantly over you're going to lose that variance request too. So these panels are coming off one way or the other. If.

C

He meets the terms of the Cod signage. He would not need a variant because it would reduce the the amount of the um sign by 50, at least not more so.

B

If he compresses that into what our guidelines require, it won't be legible. Okay,.

B

My my gut instinct and again it's an opinion and- and we are despite what's going on we're very pro-business, we're downtown. We really want to help you're just in a Niche where it's it's a restrictive niche, um I'm more inclined to to deny it at this point and have you come back with a new one to get approval and then at that point you could ask for a variance one way or the other I I don't see a means.

A

It makes some sense and I I. You know we don't like the generally deny anything right off of that. But in this case, if we do deny you, you can go through your variance you're going to get an answer from them that they're going to say: okay yeah, we like all of it, we don't like we only like 50 of it.

A

You're gonna end up redoing the sign anyway, and you got to bring it back to show us the sample of what the sign is and then you'll follow your variance and then that'll give us some guidelines to work with.

A

I guess you'll come back here meeting the variants, we're not going to say. Oh no, we still don't like it right that.

B

Would be that would be supportive of that.

A

Right is the city offered the bearings well right now we don't know what they're going to offer you as far as how many words you get to have in that space at Windows space.

A

That makes sense that.

B

Was good to me, that's scary, done.

E

A

So not what you wanted I know.

H

I, don't think it's in the best interest, but I'm, not that's not for me to uh the site, yeah.

A

H

Think it's if we take a look at every one of the pictures. I showed you. If we took a vote from people walking outside I think they probably would disagree and I think it's actually a benefit to the city, but I get the I get it, but.

A

H

You know this is Binghamton.

A

No I understand I understand for.

C

Patient privacy, you can have internal screening in a window.

H

You can have, he can have a blind exactly right, but then you can't see outside you can't you know. That's that was sort of his point was he felt that it would be for health and wellness and it's it's a whole different thing than the liquor store down the street yeah.

A

We can't control anything on the inside, so if there was some thing that stopped viewing from you know the court on the inside stop doing from the outside and you could still see outside. We can't we can't say anything about that. It's all.

B

Unless it's attached to the window, unless.

A

It's attached to the window so.

B

Freestanding window treatment, difference.

B

I, like your sign I, do like the signs got guidelines.

A

Any other comments.

B

My last comment is: is the application were made before the city? You would have had the guidelines which you needed to conform to which apparently did not happen.

B

I would make a motion to deny the sign application as presented at this time, encouraging you to come back with a remodified site.

D

A

H

E

Okay, see you thank you motion.

A

A

You want this back yeah.

A

I'm troubled by all the other photographs that we've had out.

E

A

The food one, the food one was huge- I mean that is it.

A

Yeah I think I think Oakdale Pizza came in here for sign permits and that's that wasn't one of them.

A

Did it that's the one that got approved.

A

I again, I feel bad when someone spends the money to do that, stuff gets it up and then.

A

Oh, it's traveling.

A

uh Next on the agenda 52 Clinton Street. Do we is? Is anyone representing or nobody's.

B

Here to represent now, okay.

A

B

It's an accessory building for demolition, all right, 52.

A

One of the things again I need the board's thought on this. We usually have somebody that has to represent the application or at least call in, um and we typically don't hear it I hate to do that in this case. But that's generally what we've done before so I. Don't I, don't know if you knew that, but we uh we.

A

It's pretty cut and dry. That's why I hate to procedurally.

E

A

I would say, in light of how straightforward this one is, I would not wanted necessarily table.

E

A

That's why we did it. We we got a rash of people not showing up presenting the applications that didn't couldn't even ask any questions. That's what that's! What started the process?

A

A

What's that yeah yeah I mean it's a super old building. I thought it's pretty neat that it stood up that long, but we seemed to be much left of.

B

It neglect seems to be its biggest problem.

B

Or or lack thereof,.

B

Three days, 9 days.

E

A

These down do they do asbestos surveys? Are they okay, yeah I mean some of them are probably can be structurally unstable, so you couldn't even do an abatement job. If you found it, uh it's a controlled demolition.

A

Yeah, so probably it's going to be a controlled demolition with asbestos in place.

A

Well, that's true right! Exactly it wasn't even invented yet depends on what they added I guess.

F

Do we know if they're just going to use it for green space or what they're going to use that space for after they demolish it?.

A

A good question.

I

I just wanted to uh State that'd be nice to get the uh property out of the back of the Clinton Street Cafe there. uh You know it's beyond it's a life expectancy. um It's in pretty rough shape, unrepairable.

I

Parking spots in their vehicles off the street and uh I'll give them a little bit more room.

A

Is there a Dan? Was there a site plan done or some kind of a sketch to show the parking area? Is it contiguous to another parking area.

I

I'm, having a hard time understanding you guys is.

D

It continuing is it contiguous to another parking area? Is there like a site plan.

I

Yes, yeah. Basically, the uh the drifting parking lot ends right there at that house and it dropped right off um so essentially, once we get done doubling that building we're going to be hauling and fill to level it all off nicely. So then that way, it's one continuous parking lot right to the property line right.

B

Behind the Clinton Street Cafe right.

I

H

A

So is that a yes I plan uh approval? Okay, so there's an outline. The question you guys know generally can't tear something down to create a parking lot, but in this case it's an expansion of the parking lot. It's a little bit less agreed to so uh that part of it makes sense today and he's got to do a site plan anyway, to get plenty more approval.

E

B

They'll make sure he knows he had to be on the phone for us to be able to tear his building down.

E

Carry building down somebody pregnancy, represented.

E

I

A

All right all right, well I, got to start the secret process. Okay, so I need a motion to declare caught his lead agency motion.

B

Declare called his lead agency second.

A

B

A

In favor uh motion to clear this is an unlisted action motion to declare. It is an unlisted.

B

A

You second all in favor, okay, so who's going to read today.

E

A

Right. Thank you.

D

Will the proposed action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulation no or the proposed action result in a change in the use of intensity or use of land? No well, the proposed action and impair the character or quality exists of the existing community. No will the proposed Action Impact on the environmental characteristics that caused the establishment of a critical environmental area? No well. The proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit biking or walkway.

D

No, so the proposed action increased the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities. No, the proposed Action Impact existing public private Water, Supplies, public private wastewater treatment utilities, no, the proposed action, impaired the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural or aesthetic resources. No, the proposed action result in an adverse change to Natural Resources I.E, for example, Wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, Flora or bana. No, the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding or drainage problems.

D

No, the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources or human health. No, um so, therefore declare a negative declaration.

A

Okay, we need a roll call for this, so then then made the motion go ahead on.

F

Bob Erie aye.

G

David Whalen I.

A

Can Ellsworth I motion pass all right, John.

B

I'm gonna ask.

B

Give me a minute here: I gotta,.

A

B

A

Have these lines memorized depending.

E

On no matter what character.

A

What character you're in the lines are the same? They.

B

Are something about the guidelines as laid down by the state historic organization, blah blah blah?

B

um If the structure is an outstanding example of a structure or Memorial representative of a terror either past or present, or if the structure is one of the few remaining examples of a past architectural style or combination of styles, or if the structure is associated with a historical person or event of significance to the city region, state or Nation, finding none I make a negative declaration. Tear it down.

A

A second and all in favor.

F

A

Thank you, I got it.

E

A

Staff having other business items that we need to discuss.

C

I have an update on the historic district design, guideline modification, just sorry, historic design, guideline modification um regarding the backlit signage. It did go through city council, business meeting.

C

They reviewed us a few questions and it is scheduled for the 15th for a vote, so um I emailed Mark Gennady, whose case is pending this um and let them know that if they approve it, we'll have them come back April 7th. If they disapprove it, then the application will be denied. So that's where we stand with that.

A

Okay, thank you anything else. Oh board members. Anything.

B

Did a application in front of the city and what to do and what not to do, and that would just Shenanigans and he took a lot of money away from that doctor, hoping everything would go away. You know yep wrong bad person.

A

I would like to pursue the other violations in some way, I guess because it's kind of hard to to pay it pass that kind of judgment.

A

B

Buckles I think was the biggest violation picture. I saw I, think I'm saying that right well,.

A

Again that you know we're here, making a you know a judgment on on this guy and he's he brought up examples where.

B

E

B

We had a code enforcement officer 15 years ago on the with the board and we were starting to do some stuff and then it's heads role and changed. We lost them, we haven't gotten one back and we we need one or we need to have access to the office to get somebody out there. If we like go around start writing up, and these guys are stretched in right now, because all the evictions and stuff going on, we still need somebody yeah.

C

A number of those photos that he showed were in compliance: they it was either it's based on the square footage of the area. um Some of them was one of them was a painted wall. Sign was in a window, you know so a lot of what he showed us. We're not representative of his point.

B

Well, I went through and streamlined it most of them. I went through and streamlined a lot of it when they first came here, because you know he had the the building signs from The Forum. You know. Excuse me, this doesn't belong right, just a bunch of other stuff.

C

Right that was a box.

B

48 signs behind the window in the bodega, we have no say over what's behind the window, so.

C

He's going to call the office and we'll.

B

Good luck right.

A

Okay, anything else from board members all right uh motion to adjourned.

B

Motion to adjourn: let's go home.

A

E

A

B

Next meeting is seven of April foreign.