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CONTENTS
00:00 Call to Order
04:10 15 Hawley
17:20 44 Court Street
27:10 62 Park Street
33:30 BLDC Banners
A
First
on
the
list
was
15
Holly
Street.
Have
we
got
that
applicant
online.
D
B
D
D
F
B
A
B
A
A
So,
while
we're
waiting,
my
name
is
Ken
Ellsworth,
chairman
of
cloud
and
we'll
go
around.
Let's
play
introduce
ourselves
well,
actually
start
reading.
E
D
B
Okay,
so
the
first
case
we
have
today
we're
going
to
be
hearing
15,
Holly
Street.
The
applicant
is
the
stone
box
as.
H
B
I
J
Yep,
can
you
all
hear
me.
B
B
J
So
yep
the
sign,
that's
pictured
in
front
of
you.
That
would
be
it's
a
changeable
copy,
sign
and
used
for
advertising
or
marketing,
basically
relaying
any
kind
of
specials
or
special
events,
whether
it's
or
just
general
messages
from
the
business
to
the
community
for
people
walking
by
it
is
illuminated
the
average
things
they
would
say
would
be
say
a
Thursday
evening,
special
or
a
Friday
evening.
Special,
that's
that's
pretty
much.
It
I
only
plan
on
using
one
side,
the
side,
that's
viewable
from
the
street.
J
J
This
is
Aaron
Laughlin
and
I
am
the
owner
of
Stone
Fox
at
Fifth
and
Holly
foreign.
J
On
the
building
there
is
like
located
physically
on
on
the
building.
There
is
there's
a
small
sign
indicating
the
Stone
Fox
on
it.
Yes,.
A
So
so
this
sign
is
more
of
a
message
board,
as
opposed
to
identification
signs.
G
A
To
use
one
face
of
it,
the
face:
that's
on
the
streets,
it
is
a
message
board
used
to
identify
specials
or
activities
coming
up
or
on
the
weekend
or
whatever
night.
That
is,
it's
not
an
identification
sign,
correct.
A
E
D
A
They're
they're,
not
usually
in
the
historic
district.
That's
the
that's
the
issue
with
that
Juliet
I,
don't
know
if
there
was
probably
a
in
the
staff
report.
There
was
a
couple
sections
there
that
identified
potential
issues
with
this
for
the
guidelines
right.
J
Because
from
what
I
saw
the
and
the
code
there's
one
changeable
copy
sign
allowed,
that
would
be
it's
not
overhanging
over
a
pedestrian
walkway,
it's
on
private
property,
because
that
is
leased
property
that
we
lease
from
the
building
owner
and
they
they're
allowed
within
the
commercial
district.
From
my
understanding
on
the
code.
F
G
Yeah
so
I
would
say
the
whole
idea
of
historic
character
is
certainly
an
issue
with
what
we're
seeing
here,
but
this
would
be
the
other
members.
E
G
Can
you
hear
me
okay,
yeah
I
would
say
the
historic
context
is
a
little
bit
of
an
issue,
at
least
our
guidelines,
for
that,
with
this
type
of
sign,
an
even
location,
well,.
A
A
E
Yeah,
the
second
bullet
item
says
typically,
these
areas
may
include
large
display
Windows
transoms
cornice
bands,
awnings
blank
walls
over
a
storefront,
that's
really
where
these
signs
are
intended
to
be
located,
and
it's
I
guess
placed.
A
Yeah
those
are
identification
signs
too.
If
you
remember,
there
was
a
case
where
we
had
someone
wanted
to
advertise
the
price
of
muffins
and
coffee
in
the
window,
and
that
was
again
not
not
identifying
the
business
that
was
identifying
the
contents
of
what
was
for
sale
and
that
that
was
rejected
as
well,
because
it
was
against
the
guidelines.
J
A
The
whole
intent
is
to
identify
the
business
in
some
complementary
feature
of
the
building
you
know
attached
to
the
building
or
perpendicular
to
the
building.
So
these
freestanding
message
boards
are
not
in
compliance
with
the
the
current.
A
J
Okay,
if
it
was
identifying
the
business
as
well
as
almost
like
a
dual
purpose,
does
that
kind
of
switch
around
that
situation,
because
I
do
see
a
lot
of
signs?
You
know
around
town,
whether
it's
sidewalk
Sandwich
Board,
or
what
have
you
you
know
I
not
only
doing
the
same
purpose
of
relaying
specials
or
events,
but
also
identifying
the
business.
You
know
like
come
on
in
we're
open
or
half
price
appetizers
this
day
do.
A
I
know
there
was
a
business
that
did
have
sandwich
boards
that
they
would
put
out
on
the
sidewalk
identifying
the
daily
specials
or
weekly
specials.
That
was
a
project
that
we
reviewed
as
well.
A
At
the
end,
it's
removed
at
the
end
of
each
day.
It's
a
freestanding
and
it's
not
it's
not
lit.
A
Happy
to
try
to
work
with
you
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
identification
for
what
you're
trying
to
do
is
you
know,
advertising
your
specials
and
things
like
that,
and,
and
probably
it
may
be
beneficial
to
work
with
staff
to
determine
the
best
direction
for
that.
So
if
you
make
appointment
with
Juliet
to
come
in
and
talk
to
staff,
I
think
that
would
be
our
best
bet.
A
So
today
we
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
vote
on
this.
We
can
table
it
for
him
to
come
back
and
come
up
with
some
options.
A
Where
we
make
the
motion
that
this
this
this
particular
sign.
E
Well,
I
would
say
that
the
sign
doesn't
meet
the
current
historic
guidelines,
but
the
applicant
can
come
back
with
some
alternative
sign
options
if
he
works
with
staff.
G
A
Bye,
thank
you
we'll
we'll
continue
to
work
with
you
and
try
to
come
up
with
a
program
that
fits
fits.
The
guidelines.
Okay,.
J
B
B
J
A
All
right,
120,
Washington,
Street.
F
A
It's
both
okay,
well,
is
applicant
here
for
Washington
Street.
A
Okay,
so
typically,
our
policy
is
as
we
just
did
we
if
the
applicant
can't
get
here,
we
allow
them
to
call
in
if
they
can't
call
in
or
attend.
Then
we
we
fold
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
and,
if
they're
still
not
here
yet
then
it
gets.
Takened
is
that
in
agreement
with
the
board,
okay,
44
Court
Street
all
right
come
on
down.
Do
we
have
a
microphone
for
the
applicant
microphone.
F
A
A
Gets
Juliet
gets
miked
up,
we'll
have
her
do
a
summary
and
then
have
you
have
a
chance
to
discuss
it.
F
B
44
Court
Street,
the
applicant
is
Becker
Nordeen,
as
we
post
the
installation
of
a
new
sign
about
the
commercial
storefront
of
44
Court
Street
there
are
renderings.
Can
we
pull
up
that.
A
So
as
a
suggestion
which
I'm
suggesting
it
to
myself
as
well
as
we
work
out
the
technical
changes
with
the
screen
we
might
all
want
to,
as
Dan
did
print
out
what
comes
to
us,
but
I
said
you
couldn't
get
to
it
right.
A
A
Well,
we
might
be
able
to
get
move
ahead,
we'll
keep
moving
a
little
bit.
C
Yeah,
my
name
is
representing
44
quarts
to
it,
and
my
request
is
plastic
sheets.
A
Things
that
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
board
is
one
in
the
the
placement
of
the
sign
where
it's
being
placed
on
the
building.
To
the
background
solid
background,
color
there's
a
potential
concern.
A
The
green
lettering
doesn't
affect
anything,
but
those
are
the
two
things
that
stick
out
to
me
that
we've
we've
tried
to
correct
in
the
past.
G
On
that
comment,
I'd
say
the
the
location
it
covers,
some
of
like
that
decorative
above
the
storefront.
So
we
usually,
we
try
and
preserve
like
visuals
on
those
building
features,
I
mean
that's
it
then
I
noticed
there
were
two
different
kinds
to
say:
a
Duke
bootmart
with
like
a
blue
kind
of
background
with
small
images,
and
then
there
was
a
one
that
looked
like
this.
That
was
a
sort
of
a
beige
background
which
of
those
zazzo
and
this
side,
this
one
yep.
C
G
Because,
if
it's,
if
it's
this
one,
there's
a
couple,
other
features
that
just
according
to
our
guidelines,
historic
guidelines,
it
might
not,
it
might
need
some
adjustment.
I
guess
that's
what
I'm
I'm
getting
at
like
the
color
font,
size
and
design
features
should
consider
readability
at
a
distance.
G
Signage
should
be
simple
and
easy
to
read.
Complicated
logos
and
inappropriately
scaled
graphics
on
signs
should
be
avoided.
G
A
A
They
probably
weren't
aware
of
some
of
those
things
and
we
probably
could
get
them
some
of
that
information
to
try
to
fit
into
the
guidelines
a
little
bit
closer,
but
the
general
intent
is
that
it
it's
in
the
historic
district.
So
it
wants
to
be
an
identification
sign,
simple,
colors,
being
historic
in
nature
and
location
of
the
building
being
something
that
may
have
occurred
when
the
building
was
you
know
initially
constructed
or
in
the
past
years.
A
For
that,
so
we
certainly
want
to
make
sure
that
we
help
you
get
that
signed
to
identify
your
business.
We
just
need
to
make
sure
we
follow
a
little
bit
closer
within
the
guidelines
of
that
Nick.
Did
you
have
anything
else.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
maybe
a
suggestion
in
this
case
is,
if
you're
again,
if
you're
a
sign
company
would
contact
the
city
or
you
could
contact
the
city
just
as
the
previous
applicant
get
you
a
copy
of
those
guidelines.
I
think
they're,
fairly
easy
to
follow
in
a
signed
company
would
be
able
to
do
you
a
really
great
sign
that
fits
in
with
that
historic
nature
of
the
building.
F
E
So
do
you
own
the
entire
storefront
along
Court.
D
C
E
That
side,
and
so
the
sign
that
they're
proposing
is
10
feet
by
two
10
feet
wide
by
two
feet:
tall
I
know,
there's
there's
side
sign
guidelines,
but.
C
A
A
So
so
not
only
what
the
sign
says,
the
colors
of
the
sign,
but
there's
a
size
restriction
which
is
city
code
for
a
sign
organs,
and
they
can
help
you
with
that
as
well
and.
F
G
Okay,
all
right
I'll
bring
a
motion
for
44
Court,
Street
I,
guess
to
to
table
it
with
I,
guess,
future
consideration
and
communication
with
our
staff
in
the
city
of
Binghamton.
The
guidelines.
D
E
A
B
This
case
involves
the
applicant
Matthews.
B
He
has
proposed
a
demolition
of
his
garage
located
at
62.
Park
Street
stayed
at
the
garage,
roof
has
collapsed,
Roofing
and
the
structure
is
supporting
the
roof.
The
concrete
black
exterior
shows
significant
deterioration.
A
A
Okay,
thank
you
name
and
if
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
H
Mad
joggers,
basically
I
want
to
have
the
option
to
have
the
garage
demolished
if
I
can't
have
an
Uber
put
on
and
I've
had
roofers
come
by
and
suggest
that
it
just
wouldn't
make
any
sense
to
put
into
a
Groupon
with
the
state
of
the
the
black
exterior
I
mean
the
black
exterior
is
intact.
You
can't
get
in
in
a
route,
but
it
shows
significant
deteriorations.
Cracking
some
of
the
blacks
have
eroded
over
the
years.
H
The
front
part
I
know
my
parents
bought
the
house
and
47.
So
the
front
part
predates
that
the
back
part
dates
from
the
mid
50s.
F
H
We're
basically
looking
to
have
the
option
to
have
it
demolished.
A
F
G
A
Okay,
all
right
are
you
reading
today,
Maria
on
the
negative
deck.
F
K
Ready
yep
will
the
proposed
action
create
a
material
conflict
with
an
adopted
land
use
plan
or
zoning
regulations?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
a
change
in
the
use
of
intensity
or
intensity
of
use
of
land?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
impair
the
character
or
quality
of
the
existing
community?
No.
K
Will
the
proposed
action
have
an
impact
on
the
environmental
characteristics
that
caused
the
establishment
of
a
critical
environmental
area?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
an
adverse
change
in
the
existing
level
of
traffic
or
affect
existing
infrastructure
for
mass
transit
biking
or
walkway?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
cause
an
increase
in
the
use
of
energy
and
it
fails
to
incorporate
reasonably
available
energy
conservation
or
renewable
energy
opportunities?
No,
will
the
proposed
Action
Impact
existing
public
private
water
supply
public-private
wastewater
treatment
utilities?
No?
K
Will
the
proposed
action
impair
the
character
or
quality
of
important
historic,
archaeological,
architectural
or
aesthetic
resources?
No
excuse
me:
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
an
adverse
change
to
Natural
Resources
example:
Wetlands
water
bodies,
groundwater,
air
quality,
flora
and
Prana?
No
will
a
proposed
action
result
in
an
increase
in
the
potential
for
erosion,
flooding
or
drainage
problems
known.
Will
the
proposed
action
create
a
hazard
to
environmental
resources
or
human
health?
No
therefore
proposed
a
negative
declaration.
A
G
So,
criteria
for
determination
of
historical
significance
for
demolition.
The
commission's
determination
of
historical
significance
shall
be
based
on
the
following
considerations,
which
are
based
on
the
United
States
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
for
historic
preservation,
one
if
the
structure
is
an
outstanding
example
of
a
structure
or
Memorial
representative
of
its
era,
it's
either
past
or
present
or
two.
A
B
Okay
and
then
next
on
our
agenda,
we
have
the
LDC
would
like
to
present
a
proposal
for
banners
on
Court
Street.
B
B
A
I
B
I
Yeah
so
essentially
high
up
Sarah
glows
from
director
of
Economic
Development,
Joel,
Boyd
assistant
director,
you
probably
know
Joel
better
than
me.
We
are
looking
to
put
up
eight
banners
on
light
poles
between
Fort
Street
and
State
Street.
We
have
an
anticipated
cannabis
business.
Opening
on
that
block
in
February.
We
anticipate
a
significant
number
of
people
from
outside
of
Binghamton
will
be
traveling
to
town
we'd
like
to
one
just.
I
They
should
know
they're
in
Binghamton,
but
really
highlight
the
fact
that
they're
in
downtown
Binghamton,
also
just
looking
at
the
polls
right
now
we're
at
a
part
of
the
Year
where
those
polls
are
not
programmed,
and
so
we
would
like
to
have
the
option
of
putting
something
up.
That
just
is
a
place
making
opportunity
showing
people
there
in
downtown
Binghamton
and
just
demonstrating
that
there
is
investment
in
our
downtown,
especially
in
our
kind
of
post,
still
covet
era
where
we're
having
a
trying
to
have
a
Resurgence
of
our
downtown
area.
I
All
work,
together
with
the
county
to
develop
a
branding
for
the
eye
District
as
it's
known,
which
is
a
large
part
of
downtown,
encompassing
from
the
river
to
the
South,
all
the
way
to
Henry
Street
I,
think
it's
bounded
on
the
east
by
the
Brandywine
and
on
the
west
by
the
the
river.
So
it's
quite
a
large
area.
I
So
this
was
an
effort
to
one
be
sensitive
to
the
historic
nature
of
this
block
to
be
in
line
with
that
branding
effort,
as
other
as
the
other
municipalities
also
seek
to
implement
them
and
three
be
a
place
making
and
Community
revitalization
Initiative
for
the
influx
of
visitors
that
we're
hoping
to
see.
We
wanted
to
hear
what
you
guys
thought
they're
a
little
bit
different
than
what
you
might
expect
to
see
in
downtown,
especially
with
the
slightly
more
vibrant
colors
than
you
might
see.
I
In
a
downtown,
but
the
reason
we
went
we
decided
to
go
in
this
direction
was
one
in
line
with
those
branding
exercises
to
directly
to
the
north
of
this
is
our
downtown
Arts
District,
which
encompasses
both
Plum
and
lime
in
its
design.
So
it's
supposed
to
be
complementary
to
that
effort,
and
finally,
we
were
looking
at
other
banners
on
Court
Street,
one
of
which
is
the
courtyard
Market
Banner
that
does
have
that
yellow
and
a
very
similar
blue
purple
color
on
it.
I
I
Joel
is
very
well
versed
in
them
and
he's
been
advising
me
and
has
told
me
explicitly
that
these
aren't
exactly
in
line
with
our
historic
preservation
guidelines,
but
what
we've
done
is
I
will
say
we
started
with
a
much
brighter
and
busier
design
and
have
toned
it
back
to
this
version
to
try
to
be
more
in
line
with
what
is
in
the
historic
preservation
guidelines.
This
is
a
previous.
This
is
the
the
courtyard
Market
signs
that
are
already
put
up
in
downtown
from
May
to
October.
I
K
I
I
F
F
F
C
F
Have
been
done
in
other
neighboring
states
like
Nancy
Teresa
for
the
first
open
one
they've
just
been
mobbed
lots
and
lots
of
people,
so
our
thought
was
to
try
to
to
try
to.
You
know
improve
a
little
bit
of
the
Ambiance
in
that
area,
so
people
are
standing
there
in
line
to
get
to
go
to
this
place.
You
know
on
that
day,
you
know
we'll
have
something
nice.
E
Can
I
just
say
something,
maybe
sort
of
on
or
off
the
Record,
not
that
I'm
against
cannabis?
That's
not
what
I'm
saying,
but
the
premise
behind
this
is
because
people
are
going
to
be
traveling
to
our
area
because
we're
opening
up
a
a
hemp
or
cannabis
shop
in
Court
Street.
That's
the
premise:
the.
I
But
the
bigger
thing
that
we're
focusing
on
is
the
sheer
number
and
the
newness
this
is,
will
likely
be
the
first
in
Upstate
New
York.
Cannabis
is
currently
not
allowed
lawsuit
in
Syracuse,
Buffalo
or
Rochester.
Three
major
metropolitan
areas.
We
anticipate
will
be
drawn
to
Binghamton
in
ways
that
they
may
not
be
for
other
events.
D
E
C
E
Idea
that
you
know
you
had
to
come
up
with
this
sort
of
concept
for,
for
this
particular
yeah.
E
I
E
But
I'm
not
against
hemp
and
I'm,
not
against
having
that
in
our
downtown
or
in
our
community.
That's
not
what
I'm
saying
so,
don't
like
twist
my
words
around
I'm
just
saying:
maybe
it's
just
a
better
way
to
sort
of
present
bringing
people
into
downtown,
not
just
for
one
particular
venue,
but
for
multiple
venues
right
across
the
board,
whether
it's
for
the
farmer's
market
or
for
the
the
the
show,
the
Luma
light,
show
or
or
something
like
that.
So
that's
all
I'm
saying
yeah.
I
Perhaps
advertising
specials,
maybe
hours
if
folks,
don't
open
during
the
hours.
This
is
open.
They
might
consider
opening
to
try
to
capture
some
of
that
market
share
and
specifically,
we'll
be
talking
to
the
businesses
that
are
adjacent
to
this.
Just
to
talk
about
potential
issues
they
might
run
into
and
the
opportunity
this
presents.
But
it's
a
broader
downtown
effort.
This
is
just
one
p.
K
I
Reason
we
went
more
generic
and
I
apologize
for
interrupting.
You
is
exactly
for
that
purpose
so
that
we
could
use
them
at
other
times
of
the
year.
Joel
was
explaining
that
these
polls
are
programmed
for
different
events
a
different
time
of
year,
but
right
now
you
look
out
there
and
there's
nothing
on
them,
so
opportunities
that
we
have
to
put
these
up
during
other
parts
of
the
year
to
really
give
that
place,
making
that
sense
of
I'm
in
downtown
Binghamton.
A
Apologize,
oh,
that's!
Okay,
so
I'm,
looking
at
Blue
signs
there
right,
but
I
heard
advertisement
for
specific
businesses
are
they
is
the
advertisement
going
to
be
on
these
sites.
I
A
I
We're
not,
we
won't
be
doing
any
of
the
advertising
we're
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
businesses
to
let
them
know
about
the
opportunity
associated
with
this
potential
influx
of
folks
of
the
community
and
offering
the
generic
Services
we
offer
to
all
businesses.
Advice
support
at
this
point-
probably
not
loans
through
our
bldc,
but
that's
a
program
that
we
have
generally
that
we
offer
so.
A
I
So
there
won't
be
any
advertising
on
the
polls
so.
A
I
Is
one
piece
of
a
larger
project?
So
all
this,
the
scope
of
this
is
is
just
these
particular
banners
on
light
poles
in
downtown,
but
it's
part
of
our
larger
effort
with
economic
development
to
support
businesses
downtown.
So
this
is
just
specifically
a
place,
making
downtown
beautification
effort
as
part
of
a
larger.
What
will
ultimately
be
mostly
an
education
campaign
between
us
and
the
downtown
businesses
so.
I
Yeah
and-
and
that
brings
up
and
I,
don't
want
to
derail
this
conversation,
but
there
are
branding
and
marketing
guidelines
for
cannabis,
businesses
that
may
need
to
be
folded
into
to
Cod
conversations
in
terms
of
what
they're
allowed
to
have
on
their
signage
and
that's
something
that
we
could
forward
to
this
commission.
If
it's
of
interest.
A
Consideration
and
what
what
I've
been
trying
to
do
is
encourage
things
and
initiatives
such
as
yours
to
get
involved
with
Cod
a
little
bit
before
it
comes
to
the
actual
meeting,
so
we
can
have
input
at
the
beginning
of
it.
Some
of
the
members
may
even
want
to
sit
on
some
conversations
that
you're
having
to
begin
with
it'll
just
make
it
go
a
lot
faster
than
waiting
to
the
to
the
end
of
it.
I
K
F
F
K
F
F
E
I
mean
I
I.
Personally
my
opinion
I
I,
like
the
signs
I
like
that
you
introduced
kind
of
that
mustard,
yellow
which
is
sort
of
a
historic
color
but
I.
Also
like
the
vibrant.
It's
like
a
plum.
I
E
I
think
that
sort
of
addresses
like
the
2023
right
and
it's
not
1923.,
it's
2023,
so
so
for
me
personally,
I
like
the
banners
I
like
where
they're
placed
I
like
the
idea
of
introducing
those
to
downtown.
You
know
to
it's
almost
like
a
weight.
Binding
thing
for
people
that
are
coming
in
probably
should
have
been
done
20
years
ago,
15
years
ago.
So
me
personally,
I
I,
like
that
yeah.
E
Actually
yeah
and
I
like
that,
the
the
courthouse
there.
I
I
A
F
I
I
Understanding
was
that
today's
meeting
was
simply
to
get
input
from
the
commission
on
these
to
make
sure
we
were
moving
in
the
right
direction,
so
we
did
not
engage
a
design,
professional
and
spend
money
when
there
was
a
an
idea
that
was
totally
incongruous
with
what
the
commission
wanted
us
to
do.
Okay,.
A
F
L
L
L
C
D
A
I'm
sorry,
thank
you
very
much
for
120
Washington
Street.
We
need
a
motion
to
table
for
lack
of
a
yeah.
G
A
All
right
motion
motion
to
adjourn.