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A
I
can
sean
sorry,
I'm
a
little
late.
Three
minutes.
That's
okay!
You're
gonna
have
to
talk
to
the
mayor
about
docking.
My
pay.
B
Okay,
we'll
see
if
we
can
make
a
special
exception
this
time.
B
Yes,
we
can
go
and
order,
but
there's
two
items
we
will
not
be
able
to
address
today.
The
first
is
235
court
and
the
other
is
27
and
31
chenango
street.
We
will
not.
A
Yeah
did,
does
the
owner
know
or
yes,.
A
Applicant
okay,
did
he
ask
for
any
a
special
meeting
or
anything.
B
A
Okay,
all
right,
okay,
I
guess
we
can
start
right.
B
Yes,
let
me
just
make
sure
okay,
this
is
moving
okay!
Yes,
we
can,
let
me
just
make
sure
we're
recording.
A
Okay
and
then
sean,
I
think
I
forget
half
the
time,
but
I
think
you
always
like
me
to
say
that
if
someone's
listening
or
people
can
call
into
the
planning
department
at
the
number
of
seven
seven,
two
seven
two
eight
if
they
have
something
on.
A
All
right,
okay,
first
item
on
the
agenda,
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
april
6th.
Is
there
a
motion
for
that.
A
Second,
second,
thank
you
all
all
in
favor,
aye
aye.
Okay!
Thank
you
all
right.
First,
on
the
agenda
agenda
is
the
binghamton
deco
district?
Yes,.
B
So
we've
got
back
to
the
deco
district,
just
as
a
sort
of
reminder.
Oh
maybe
this
is
gonna
not
load.
The
number
of
there
we
go.
Okay,
we've
been
provided
with
the
60
project
plans
at
this
point,
and
I
think,
given
that
we
have
the
60-
and
I
know
this
is
a
really
large
document,
so
I'm
appreciative
that
everybody
spent
some
time
with
it
and
that's
why
I
sort
of
sent
it
out
as
soon
as
I
got
it.
B
I
don't
think
much
has
changed
since
shippo
reviewed
it
to
begin
with,
so
the
shippo
finding
of
no
adverse
effect
is
pretty
important.
I
think
for
your
review.
B
I
know
the
applicant
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
or
the
representatives
for
the
applicant
is
going
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
what
we
could
expect
between
the
60
and
90
and
what
changes
would
be
made.
Well,
I'm
getting
some
feedback.
I
just
want
to.
B
You
want
to
mute.
B
F
B
All
right,
so
the
the
applicant's
gonna
speak
a
little
bit
about
the
changes
we'll
see
between
60
and
90,
but
at
this
point
I
think
todd
could
move
forward
with
their
seeker
review
and
potentially
issue
a
declaration.
B
Today,
obviously,
that's
up
to
the
commission,
but
I
think
at
this
point
there's
enough
known
about
the
project
that
you
you
could
make
a
declaration
and
then
you
know
once
the
plans
have
reached
the
you
know,
90
mark
it
would
be
a
time
where
cod
could
issue
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
but
we've
re-noticed
for
a
public
hearing
today
it
continued
from
the
last
meeting.
Can
I
would
just
when
we
go
through
this?
I
would
just
motion
for
the
record
to
open
the
public
hearing.
B
Okay,
cod
has
already
you
know,
determined,
lead
agency
and
declared
the
type
of
action,
but.
A
Okay,
so
I
make
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing
about
the
concerning
the
binghamton
deco
district
on
your
second
second,
all
in
favor
aye.
G
A
A
We're
going
to
hear
from
planning
on
the
engineering
side,
with
a
difference
between
60
and
90.
Is
that
what
you
said
john.
B
F
Thank
you
sean.
Can
you
hear
me
yes,
okay,
yeah,
so
I
did
provide
the
link
to
the
60
plans
and
then
there
was
in
that
link.
There
was
also
an
amenities
appendix
which
kind
of
illustrated
in
color
some
of
the
detail,
elements
of
the
streetscape
amenities.
F
So
yeah
we
are
at
60
right
now.
The
one
thing
that
has
not
been
submitted
to
the
city
yet
is
the
60
estimate
of
probable
construction
costs.
F
F
The
city
has
kind
of
driven.
This
project
is
more
of
you
know,
making
this
district
much
safer
for
pedestrians,
more
of
a
pedestrian
standard,
environment
and
scale.
F
So
if
anything
based
on
the
60
plans
and
the
costs,
if,
if
there's
any
changes
to
the
entire
project,
it
might
be
a
reduction
in
scope
or
future
phases,
so
they
may
pull
out.
You
know
an
element
like
henry
and
water,
for
instance,
or
maybe
segment
of
northern
state
based
on
available
funding,
but
I
think
the
core
of
the
project
along
washington,
state
and
lewis,
then
the
one
block
area
of
henry
in
front
of
the
federal
building,
I
think,
is
what
they're
looking
at
is
the
priority
right
now.
F
So
next
90
would
actually
be
filling
out.
Some
of
the
engineering
tables
refining
the
estimate
even
further
developing
specifications,
probably
in
the
center,
we'll
be
dealing
with
the
dpw,
the
mayor's
office
and
probably
the
traffic
board
prior
to
going
into
the
90
phase.
E
Yeah
this
is
john
darrow.
I
do
have
a
question,
sir
yeah,
I'm
looking
at
the
I'll
call
it
curb
or
or
corner
protrusions,
to
decrease
the
space
it
takes
for
pedestrians
to
cross
the
road.
Okay
thanks,
I
don't
know
the
technical
term,
so
we
know
what
we're
talking
about
yeah.
F
F
There
hasn't
been
a
disproportionate
number
of
accidents.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
yes,
actually
what
you
mentioned
is
decrease
the
crossing
distance
prioritize
the
pedestrians
over
the
vehicles.
At
this
point,
so
we
took,
we
took
a
look
at
volumes,
we're
not
eliminating
any
any
lanes.
Any
turn
lanes
we're
just
providing
a
little
bit
more
visibility
of
pedestrians
in
this
area
and
then
prioritizing
them
over
the
vehicles.
We're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
balance
between
you
know
the
pedestrian
needs
and
the
vehicular
needs
in
this
small
district.
E
E
E
The
streets
are
an
artery
to
the
town
if
we
start
diminishing
our
capability
for
having
commercial
traffic
and
vehicular
traffic,
I
think
that
much
like
a
artery
to
the
heart
being
diminished,
our
commercial
capabilities
are
going
to
be
diminished.
F
F
So
all
the
training
movements
work
and
what
we
provided
was
a
little
bit
of
you
know.
We
identified
some
loading
zones
at
the
forum
behind
the
theater
yeah.
We
tried
to
you.
F
E
Also
kind
of
doing
away
with
with
turning
lanes.
If
somebody
wanted
to
take
a
ride
on
red,
we're
now
backing
traffic
up
considerably
to
the
east,
where
they
couldn't
take
that
right
turn
on
chenego
street,
allowing
for
better
traffic
flow.
E
I'm
just
very
concerned
that
we're
going
to
start
botching
up
downtown,
you
know
with
what
they
did
on
on
main
and
court
street
yeah.
It's
taking
me
a
half
hour
to
get
into
town
where,
before
I
could
be
down
there
in
like
12-15
minutes,
because
there's
no
longer
an
ability
to
really
take
right
on
reds.
F
Right
yeah,
I
mean
we,
we
will
be
meeting
with
the
traffic
board
and
you
know
the
issue
of
right
on
red
is
actually
you
know
it's
not
a
very
safe,
safe,
vehicular
movement
for
pedestrians,
and
essentially
we
didn't
take
any
turn
lanes
away.
So
you
know
if
there's
right
on
red
movements,
a
lot
of
those
are
happening
when
you
might
have.
You
know
at
least
a
little
extra
room,
maybe.
E
F
Yeah
we
have
some
through
the
mpo
down
there.
We
didn't
actually
do
any
analysis
for
counts,
but
we
do
have
volume
which
you
know
there
wasn't.
I
think
there
was
4
000
cars
a
day
essentially
on
henry
and
then
I'll
spawn
state.
So
it
wasn't
a
huge
volume.
F
F
E
F
Losing
somewhere
around
30
on
street
spots,
we
are
losing
yeah.
We
did
send
that
info.
E
F
Well,
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
contingency
plan
right
now,
but
we
we
were
taking
a
look
at
the
there
was
a
parking
study
down
downtown
done
by
bergman.
I
believe
which
basically
culminated
in
the
summary
that
there
is
more
than
enough
parking.
I
guess
there's.
F
A
lot
of
surface
parking
around
here
in
the
thought
is:
if
we
make
this
a
much
more
attractive,
comfortable
environment
for
pedestrians,
pedestrians
are
willing
to
walk,
you
know,
maybe
15
minutes
or
so
in
a
nice
comfortable
streetscape.
So
we're
adjacent
to
a
lot
of
parking.
There's
just
a
few
spots
on
the
street
that
aren't
going
to
be
out
in
front.
I
F
Some
businesses
right
now
we
did,
we
did
have
several
stakeholder
meetings
and
we
got
another
series
coming
up
with
some
of
the
business
owners
in
the
district.
Some
are
fine
with
no
parking
like,
I
think,
lost
dogs
actually
put
their
on
street
parking
out
and
put
cafe
spaces
in
there.
So.
F
F
E
F
No,
we've
got
loading
zones
that
we're
keeping
intact
they're
just
a
little
more
defined
now
per
property.
E
Or
just
kind
of
a
general
loading
zone
for
an
area,
most
of
our
properties
are
just
a
general
loading
board.
F
Area
there's
a
couple
general
ones:
the
only
one
that's
associated
with
property
is
the
forum
theater
loading
zone,
but
I
think
right
now,
that's
even
shared
between
maybe
some
of
the
restaurants
and
businesses
on
the
street.
Yep.
Okay,.
A
Sean
john,
this
ken!
Yes,
yes,
then,
so
what
what
generated
this
project
in
the
first
place?
Was
this
a
grant
from
the
planning
department
or
what?
What
started
this
project?
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
reasoning
behind
some
of
this.
B
A
B
I
believe
correct
me,
I
know
kate's
on
to
if
I'm
wrong
and
jeff
you
can
correct
me.
This
came
out
of
the
by
district
funding
correct.
Yes,
that's
right
from
the
state
yeah.
So
this
was
a
a
state-funded
project
and
then
the
city
applied
for
for
some
of
that
allocated
funding
to
be
dedicated
to
a
quote-unquote
deco
district,
which
largely
falls
within
the
state
and
henry
street's
historic
district.
A
Okay,
all
right
and
and
jeff
have
you
have
you
done
projects
similar
to
this
in
other
other
locations
with
with
the
success
that
this
is
ideally
supposed
to
have.
F
Oh
yeah,
we've
done
several
of
these
kind
of
pedestrian
driven.
A
lot
of
them
have
been.
You
know
through
the
state's
dri
program
for
economic,
revitalization
or
you
know,
streetscape
revitalization,
project.
Okay,
so
yeah
they've
been
pretty
successful.
This
one
has
been,
you
know,
going
on
a
pretty
aggressive
schedule,
so
we
did
have
you
know
like
I
said
we
had
a
bunch
of
stakeholder
meetings.
We
had
a
public
meeting,
there's
been,
you
know
nothing
but
pretty
positive
feedback
about
it.
F
Okay,
all
right,
you
know,
yeah
and
a
lot
of
people
are
looking
at.
You
know
some
of
the
stuff
binghamton
has
done
down
on
court
and
state
some
of
the
improvements
they've
done.
They
like
they
like
those
improvements.
So,
okay,
this
is
a
pretty
compact
district.
It's
very
walkable,
so
I
think
the
city
was
looking
at
focusing
you
know
on
pedestrian
safety
and
enhancement.
A
Okay,
john,
you
had
a
lot
of
good
questions.
I
was
just
wondering
if-
and
I
don't
know
this-
whether
it's
possible,
but
some
boards-
you
can
have
an
opportunity
to
go
or
hear
the
discussion.
So
I
mean
if
you
wanted
to
go
to
the
traffic
board.
I
don't
know
if
they
allow
public
into
those
meetings
or
not,
but
you
might
get
some
more
information
when
they
have
this
discussion.
If
you
want
to
attend
those.
A
A
So
I
don't
know
sean
how
that
whether
that's
allowed-
I
don't
know
when
those
meetings
are.
Maybe
you
can
help,
john
with
that.
B
A
E
A
E
You
know,
I
don't
know
if
there
were
100
pedestrian
accidents
at
state
and
henry
or
if
there
were
none
or
if
there
were
two
and
then
who
was
at
fault.
I
think
these
are
very
legitimate
things
to
look
at
before
we
start
diminishing
our
capabilities
of
absorbing
traffic
into
a
city.
That's
already
congested.
A
H
A
Yep
and
I
think
jeff
is
trying
to
balance
what
he
was
trying
to
do:
balance
traffic
with
people
and
try
to
accommodate
the
intent
of
the
funding,
all
right
sean.
So
our
our
charge
today,
if
the
members
decide
to
move
that
way,
is
to
review
seeker
and
declaration
on
seeker.
Is
that
what
you
want
to
try
to
accomplish.
B
Yeah,
so
at
this
point,
if
the
commission
feels
comfortable
it's,
you
know,
you
have
the
sixty
percent.
You
should
have
an
indication
of
the
discrepancy
between
what
the
sixty
percent
and
ninety
percent
will
be.
B
Obviously
you
do
not
have
to
issue
your
formal
certificate
of
appropriateness
until
you
have
you
know
the
90
or
90
plus
percent
of
plans,
but
at
this
point
you
could
move
forward
with
your
secret
review
and
I
think
it
would
help
the
applicants
along
the
process
as
well
and,
of
course,
you
you've
already
motioned
for
this
at
the
what
this
was
at
the
march
meeting
for
this
va
type
one.
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
longer
form.
B
So
if
you
were
going
through
it,
you
know
somebody
will
have
to
read
a
little
bit
more
than
they
usually
have
to.
B
Lucky
mary
allen,
if
that's
the
case,
but
the
other
thing
to
consider
is
that
you
know
you've
had
the
part
one
and
part
two
forms
for
a
while
now.
So
you
know
this,
the
current
plans
are
just
meant
to
complement
the
findings
in
those
and
help
inform
you.
A
Well,
I
think
I
think
in
general
I
mean
this
level
of
of
completion
of
plans
is,
is
appropriate
to
to
act
on
seeker.
I
I
guess
I
want
to
hear
from
the
board
members
whether
they're
prepared
to
do
that
and
then
also
in
this
secret
review,
different
from
some
of
the
more
simpler
short
forms
that
we've
been
doing
with
the
quick
answers
may
require
some
debate
or
discussion
just
to
get
it
on
the
record.
A
E
Ken,
mr
john
again,
I'm
not
an
obstructionist,
I
will
go
along
with
with
the
declaration
to
keep
going,
but
I
will
not
sign
off
on
the
everything's
okay
until
the
final,
oh,
no,
that's
understandable.
E
C
E
C
E
C
Yeah,
I'm
I'm,
you
know,
okay
with
doing
up
to
that
point
and
then
do
the
final
one.
When
we
have
everything.
A
B
A
So
john,
my
first
question
personally
to
you
is:
how
is
a
guy
who
fights
with
technology?
Why
do
you
have
two
phones
to
begin
with?
That's
double
the
trouble.
E
A
E
Is
burning,
I
grab
the
phones
and
I
run
out
of
the
house,
but
until
I
can
figure
out
how
to
get
them
all
someplace,
I
can't
get
rid
of
them
and
they're
two
different
numbers
one's
my
phone
number
from
when
I
was
in
the
limousine
business.
The
old
rental
rolls
royce
days
from
1980s
and
I
still
get
calls
and
then
the
other
ones
kind
of
more
contemporary
were
where
non-a-listed
people
can
call
me.
You
know.
A
E
B
Hey
we're
we're
not
up
to
your
item
yet
emily.
So
just.
B
Yes,
so
you
should
you
before
you
go
through
reading
this
ken.
You
want
to
make
sure
that
you
allow
the
public
an
opportunity
to
call
in
and
give
some
time,
and
then
you
want
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
and
then
proceed
with
your
secret
review.
B
A
So
it
if
there
is
anyone
out
in
the
public
wishing
to
comment
during
this
public
hearing
regarding
this
application,
please
call
into
the
number
which
is
772-7028,
and
we
will
wait
a
little
bit
of
time
to
give
you
a
chance
to
call
in
a
comment.
A
And
sean
do
you,
you
want
the
so
we'll
close
public
hearing
and
then
go
deliberate
on
the
seeker
right?
Yes,
that's
correct.
Okay,.
A
So
mary
ellen,
are
you
okay
with
doing
this?
It's
a
little
bit
slightly
different,
but
I
hate
to
have
you
do
the
the
the
boring
ones
and
then
miss
out
on
this
good
one.
A
All
right
and
so
board
members
again
because
it's
a
little
bit
more
if,
as
as
mary
allen
voices
her
opinion
on
the
answer.
If,
if
you
have
a
comment
or
disagree
or
with
that
make
sure
you
speak
up
as
we
go
through,
the
numbers
go
through
the
items.
A
B
Pull
up
a
better
checklist,
if
you
just
give
me
one
second,
because
you
want
to
be
looking
at
it
for
no
or
small.
In
fact,.
H
A
B
A
B
Largely
they
do
largely
match,
but
there's
a
couple
blanks
yes
and
that's
an
opportunity
for
the
commission
to
discuss.
B
Okay,
okay,
the
critical
one
here
for
your
review
was
the
will.
The
proposed
action
occur
in
a
historic
district,
and
that
is
of
course,
like
that's,
checked.
C
H
A
All
right
hearing
no
comment
regarding
this
application
from
the
public.
I
make
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing.
Second,
all
in
favor
aye.
D
C
A
So
I
mean
here's
my
input,
so
we've
heard
from
john
and
there's
not
a
right
or
wrong
answer.
This
is
this
is
going
through
the
process
like
if,
if
you
feel
like
john
did,
then
this
would
be
a
a
moderate
to
large
impact
possibility
and
then
jeff
goes
and
tries.
You
know
he's
he's
in
the
process
of
mitigating
that
and
trying
to
balance.
You
know
the
needs
of
the
motorists
to
that
of
the
pedestrians,
so
you
could
go
there
if
you
felt
that
way
or
we
could
be
no
or
small
impact.
D
D
E
C
A
And
I
want
to
ask
jeff
a
question
jeff.
What
I
don't
want
to
do
is,
as
we
go
through
this
you're
very
familiar
with
the
project
you're
living
the
project.
A
Want
us
to
advise
us
as
well
how
this
affects
your
design
or
doesn't
affect
your
design
or
how
you're
in
the
process
of
answering
that
I
don't
know
if
that's
appropriate
sean,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
as
much
on
the
public
record
as
possible.
A
Okay,
so
if
you
want
to
add
something
jeff
when
we
make
those
answers,
please
feel
free.
Okay,.
F
F
I
think
once
construction
is
done,
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
much
of
an
impact
and
as
far
as
the
transportation
system
itself,
nothing
actually
changes
in
terms
of
you
know
how
vehicles
move
through
the
district
or
how
the
bus
routes
move
or
any
emergency
vehicles
are
not
prohibited,
so
that
I
think
considered
on
the
transportation
system
aspect.
It
would
be
a
small
impact
because
it
doesn't
really
change.
A
C
D
C
C
Okay,
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
new
or
additional
use
of
groundwater
or
have
the
potential
to
introduce
contaminants
to
groundwater
or
to
or
an
aquifer
no
agree?
C
C
D
A
F
Jeff
we
are
adding
more
landscape,
then
I
agree
with.
B
More
than
currently.
D
C
D
C
E
C
C
E
E
I
think
I
would
be
inclined
to
go
with
with
small
to
no
impact
with
reservation,
but
can
cars
still
drive
yeah?
They
can
still
drive
people
still
walk.
They
can
still
walk
different
than
before,
but
they
haven't
closed
a
road
off
to
make
it
a
commons.
They
haven't
stopped
people
from
going
into
an
area.
C
D
C
D
C
D
E
I
don't
see
it
making
a
huge
impact.
I
mean
we've
had
the
outdoor
luma
festivals,
there
pre-existing
huge
gatherings
with
downtown
close
with
with
bars
set
up
in
food.
I
don't
see
any
significant
change,
maybe
for
lucky
we'll
have
more
of
those
events.
C
D
C
C
E
C
B
For
everyone
that
you
indicated
there
was
a
moderate,
a
large
impact.
You
would
talk
about
why,
despite
the
moderate
to
large
impact,
there
won't
be
a
significant
adverse
environmental
impact,
and
you
should
discuss
that
before
issuing
your
your
declaration.
A
B
Yep
and
then
the
tenth
which
is
moderate,
was
the
historic
resource,
and
for
that
for
the
resource
I
mean
you
have
the
finding
of
no
adverse
impact,
the
district
from
shippo
and
that
can
be
utilized
for
that.
C
E
Well,
I'm
going
to
jump
on
the
first
one
here.
If
I
may
proposed
action
valve
construction,
physical
alteration,
surface,
it's
it's
an
urban
environment,
pre-existing
when
they
get
done.
If
they
get
done
with
the
modifications,
it
is
still
going
to
be
an
urban
environment
streets
paved
sidewalks,
it's
just
the
configuration
of
the
pre-existing
environment.
That's
going
to
change!
E
A
I
I
guess
it's
a
consensus
that
we
don't
believe
that
is
going
to
be
a
significant
environmental
impact.
I
agree
I.
C
A
And
down
to
the
historic
part,
I
think
sean
made
a
good
point
about
that,
has
already
discussed
this
and
is
on
board
with
the
process
and
and
what
what
the
plans
are
indicating.
A
Anybody
have
any
other
comment
about
the
historic
system.
No.
E
E
See
it
changing
the
historic
district,
I
mean
it's,
it's
a
streetscape.
The
canal
is
long
gone,
you
know.
So
it's
it's
roads,
sidewalks
and
buildings.
It's
not.
D
Draining-
and
the
only
thing
I
can
think
of
are
the
the
signage
and
the
the
I
guess,
this
the
benches
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that,
probably
at
the
the
cod
review
portion
right.
Yes,.
A
So
we're
indicating
as
a
board
that
the
moderate
impact
for
the
action
occurring
adjacent
to
the
historic
district
is
not
going
to
result
in
a
significant
environmental
impact.
A
Yes,
thank
you,
so
mary
ellen,
you
can
make
a
motion
if
you'd
like
of.
A
Oh
you
just
what
you
just
said:
that's
fine,
okay,
no,
it's
great
okay,
yeah,
and
so
that,
yes
for
ken
and
dan,
you
have
to
indicate
yes
yep.
I
agree
all
right
ocean
past.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
No,
that's
it
and
then
you
know,
I
guess
I
would
ask
jeff
and
kate.
When
can
claude
expect
to
see
the
90?
What's
your
timeline
like
moving
forward.
F
That'll,
probably
not
be,
may
so
I'd
say
june
at
the
earliest
when's.
Your
meeting
in
june.
F
F
It
could
be
by
the
eighth,
but
I
think,
we're
probably
going
to
spend
the
month
of
may
sorting
out
some
60
in
coordination
with
the
city
about
some
other
things.
F
F
Well,
I
think
the
next
couple
weeks,
pending
some
meetings
that
might
occur,
will
probably
give
us
a
better
picture,
but
it
might,
it
might
be
july
before
we
really.
You
know
close
to
what
we're
looking
at
bidding.
B
Okay,
so
then
what
jeff
just
keep
me
posted
on
it,
because
at
least
it
sounds
like
for
the
june
meeting.
This
will
not
be
on
the
agenda.
A
Thank
you
all
right,
so
the
next
two
agenda
items
as
we
mentioned
before,
which
are
235
court
street
27
and
31
shenango
street.
I
have
to
myself.
So
we
don't
have
a
quorum.
They
won't.
Those
applicants
will
not
be
heard
today,
so
we're
now
on
the
schnangle
river
promenade.
H
B
Staff
reports
for
some
reason
they
weren't
loading
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
people
were
able
to
see
them
on
my
end,
at
least
they
weren't
loading.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
all
right.
So
everybody
can
see
this
so
this
is
for
this
is
an
application.
Again.
It's
a
public
art
and
the
applicant
emily
jablon
who
the
commission
is
familiar
with
we've.
You
know
you've
seen
her
work
around
downtown,
it's
very
prominent
and
noticeable
and
emily's
here
to
discuss
it
further.
B
But
basically
this
is
to
create
mosaics
upon
the
curved
planters
that
are
found
at
the
southwest
section
of
the
chenango
river
and
it's
sort
of
right
as
the
promenade
transitions
and
cuts
inward,
which
you
can
see
in
the
map
right
around
where
the
downtown
university
center
is,
and
so
there
there's
about
10
planters
there
and
the
idea
is
to
mosaic
those
planters
and
sort
of
the
intent
is
to
create
a
gradient
as
you
go
from
planter
to
planter
of
color-
and
you
know-
I'm
not
probably
the
best
person
to
describe
that
vision.
B
G
Yeah
sure,
so,
a
couple
years
ago
I
was
working
with
frank
in
planning
because
the
county
had
been
approved,
240
000
for
public
art
and
we
were
working,
and
I
do
mostly
like
public
spaces,
and
I
was
helping
him.
G
You
know
figure
out
how
to
set
his
program
up
and
whatnot,
and
so
some
of
the
public
places
that
we
had
discussed
upon
that
the
county
had
approved
to
spend
their
money
on,
would
be
continuing
the
mosaics
down
the
riverwalk
and-
and
we
don't
mean
like
every
square
inch
as
you
go,
but
just
a
continued.
G
You
know
our
artistic
theme,
you
know
as
you
go
down
our
beautiful
river
walk.
So
what
we
were
thinking
color-wise
and
design-wise
with
the
teach
would
be
to
keep
it
in
the
same
fashion
that
the
mosaics
on
the
riverwalk
are
already
in,
which
is
you
know,
besides
to
be
inspired
by
binghamton,
there's,
really
no
symbol
or
message
behind
it.
It's
just
beautiful
colors
along
the
way
which
is
just
uplifting
and
nice.
It
never
really
gets
outdated,
but
we
were
thinking
about.
G
That
would
probably
be
the
best
bet
to
do
it
on
the
curved
part,
because
then
what
we
would
do
is
there's
10
planters,
so
we
a
gradient
is,
like
you
know,
a
fade
so
like
I
don't
want
to
say
rainbow,
because
then
everybody
thinks
like
that.
You
know
typical
rainbow
flag,
but
you
know
a
blended.
You
know
from
like
dark
red.
One
would
be
like
you
know:
the
different
shades
of
red
and
the
different
shades
of
red
and
orange
and
the
different
shades
of
orange.
G
You
know
just
a
beautiful
gradient
of
you
know:
bright
fun,
colors
pretty
much
in
the
same
fashion.
That's
up
there
to
keep
the
theme.
H
G
Without
you
know,
adding
in
new
elements
and
new,
you
know
so
it's
a
so
that
art
just
kind
of
complements
the
riverwalk
as
it
goes
rather
than
making
the
river
walk
about.
The
art
was
kind
of
the
overall
plan
and
plus
being
in
the
innovation
district.
Riverwalk
was
a
natural
spot
for
wanting
to
enhance.
G
So
you
know
I
talked
to
the
mayor
and
he
liked
the
idea.
So
now
I'm
here
with
you
guys,
hoping
to
get
it
approved
and
yeah
nothing,
it's
nothing
out
of
the
ordinary
or
nothing
that
we
haven't
done
right
there
before.
D
A
Right.
Thank
you,
emily
board
members,
any
comments.
E
Well,
I
I've
got
a
comment,
slash
question,
and
so
when
these
things
were
initially
put
in
and-
and
I
wasn't
privy
to
it-
were
they
at
the
time
of
proposal
and
installation
considered
art
unto
themselves
where
this
this
brutalist
concrete
was
the
the
intent
and
now
we're
changing
one
artist's
conception
for
another,
or
was
it
just
matter-of-factly
done?
This
is
what
we
got
to
do
with
no
intent
for
the
aesthetics
or
the
placement,
which
I
kind
of
think
isn't
the
case.
E
But
if,
if
there's
a
pre-existing
artist
in
tenon
at
hand,
I
don't
think
it's
up
to
us
to
change
that
kind
of
like
that,
that
buried
pile
of
cadillac's
out
in
the
midwest,
and
then
somebody
wanted
to
come
through
and
paint
them
a
different
color
and
the
artist
said.
Well,
that's
not
the
intent
of
why
I
put
him
there,
which
I
think
we
just
need
to
be
clear-
that
there
isn't
some
pre-intention
here
before
we
we
allow
to
change,
and
I
like
what
emily's
done.
She
does
beautiful
stuff
right.
B
You
know
I
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
because
I
did
a
little
bit
of
digging
sort
of
figure
out
the
history
of
the
promenade,
and
it
is
you
know
it
was
during
sort
of
the
peak
era
of
urban
renewal
and
a
component
of
downtown
project
number
one
and
the
intent
was
and
I'm
the
reason
why.
I
I
noted
that
it
was
likely.
B
Werner
seligman,
who
was
the
designer,
I
should
say,
is
probably
the
better.
He
was
a
practicing
architect.
He
was
a.
He
was
a
practicing
architect,
but
he
served
as
the
design
consultant
for
much
of
downtown
project,
one
and
basically
all
of
the
the
planning
of
urban
renewal
from
the
late
60s
forward,
and
he
was
a
actually.
He
was
a
cornell
professor
and
a
I
want
to
say
off.
The
top
of
my
head.
B
I'd
have
to
double
check,
but
I
think
his
architectural
office
was
in
portland
and
he,
I
think,
started
working
with
the
city
through
sort
of
a
a
class.
You
know
bringing
students
down
to
cornell
or
down
to
binghamton
from
cornell
and
sort
of
was
hired
by
the
city
after
that
and
hired
by
the
binghamton
urban
renewal
agency
and
his
I.
B
I
assume
it
was
him
since
this
was
a
part
of
that
larger
design
project
and
his
design
intent
here,
but
the
whole
goal
was
really
to
connect
basically
the
river
back
to
the
downtown
and
bring
people
to
the
river.
Now
I
you
know,
I
think
you
can
probably
critique
whether
or
not
that
was
actually
successful,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
necessarily
working
with
another
artist's
intent,
and
I
also
not
sure
if
the
intent
would
be
altered
to
a
great
extent.
I
mean
the
form.
B
The
form
of
the
promenade
is
not
changing.
Just
the
some
of
the
surface
materials
of
the
promenade
would
would
be
altered,
but
I
think
the
goal
of
connecting
downtown
and
residents
to
the
river
is
probably
still
present
in
the
in
the
intent
here
with
this
new
project.
But
that's
that's
just
my
thinking.
E
What's
subjective
so
I'm
looking
at
the
pictures
presented
with
the
tree
and
the
the
concrete
planter
behind
it,
the
concrete
over
fly
over
from
the
arena
and
the
concrete
sob,
which
seems
to
be
a
reinforcement
of
the
visuals
that
I
perceive
was
the
goal.
E
G
The
first
part
of
the
planters
are
very
old
and
the
part
the
flat
parts
in
between
them
are
very
new,
and-
and
you
can
you,
when
you
look
at
it,
you
can
tell
so
I
think
adding
the
mosaics
to
the
older
features
would
not
only
enhance
their
original
design.
G
If
you
look
at
where
the
old
water
fountain
was
and
the
the
mosaics
on
the
on
the
remaining
cement
walls,
they
all
have
a
circular
feature
to
them
all
the
walls,
and
I
I
think
it's
a
mosaic
enhanced
that
fully
because
it
because
of
the
the
way
that
it
moves
your
eye.
So
I
think
like
going
down
the
riverwalk
following
this
circle
path.
G
It
brings
this.
It
brings
the
the
intent
of
his
landscaping
and
his
architecture
I
think
out
further,
rather
than
letting
it
keep
just
getting
older
versus
the
brand
new
stuff
right.
Next
to
it,
which
is
like
a
different
color,
it
doesn't
exactly
match.
So
you
know.
G
G
There
I
mean
it's,
the
most
picture-worthy
spot
in
town
and
people
will
be
excited
about
this
and
will
enjoy
the
riverwalk
more
because
of
it
and
will
remember
visiting
binghamton
in
the
riverwalk
because
of
these
things
and
I've
learned
from
doing
the
public
arts
over
the
year,
and
you
know
combining
forces
and
thoughts
with
my
friends
who
do
luma
and
stuff
on
people
that
seem
like
this,
that
and
also
what
the
county
and
I
were
thinking
when
we
were
seeing
the
riverwalk
and
these
planters
was
that
you
know
it's
not
so
aggressive.
G
You
can't
see
it
from
the
street.
It's
like
halfway
down
the
riverwalk
at
least,
and
also
you're
we're
putting
mosaics
in
one
spot
and
that's
what
kind
of
make
gives
things,
because
that's
what
makes
things
like
cool,
that's
like
when
you
put
when
you
put
them
in
one
spot,
you
you
create
an
environment,
you
create
more
of
like.
I
don't
know
how
to
explain
it.
E
G
E
D
To
see
what
you're
going
on
I
did
want
to,
so
you
were
bringing
up
about
intent
earlier
and
I
know
we
brought
up
like
the
brutalist,
and
I
mean
maybe
I
sound
like
a
lawyer
here,
but
when
I
think
of
brutalism,
it's
like
it's,
it's
all
or
nothing
with
it.
It's
kind
of
like
all-encompassing
and
in
terms
of
what
we
see
now
you
know
we
currently
on
the
on
the
walk,
there's
other
elements
that
aren't
brutalist
so.
D
So
brutalist
is
like
this
style
that
I
pretty
much
is
raw
concrete.
You
know,
form
work
and
it's
like
very
minimalist.
So
I
mean
sure
there's
brutalist
elements
here,
but
I
think,
like
brutalist
is
almost
like
a
binary
like
once
you
start
adding
things
to
it,
which
has
already
been
done.
D
I
don't
know
if
it
counts
as
brutalism
anymore,
so
I
like
and
that's
why
I'm
not
as
opposed
to
to
change
myself
or
adding
any
of
the
you
know
artistic
elements
to
it,
because
you
look
at
it.
I
don't.
I
don't
see
only
brutalism
now
fair
enough
when.
B
G
So
so
I
just
checked
into
it
again
this
morning.
There
isn't,
it
says
I'll,
send
you
a
screenshot
in
the
email
says
it's
a
partially
partially
done,
but
it
was
supposed
to.
It
has
a
due
date
on
there
of
april
30th.
G
B
G
Yeah,
it
was
supposed
to
be
30
days
so
and
I
did
it
at
the
end
of
the
month
right
at
the
end
of
the
month.
So
it's
right
at
the
end
of
the
month
now
and
I
can
email
you
the
the
token
number
and
whatnot
so
wrong,
because
that
would
be
great
and
then,
when
I
come
back
for
the
next
meeting
with
the
mock-up,
you
know
we'll,
hopefully
we'll
have
an
answer
by
then
I
I
really,
I
feel
we
should
so
yeah
and
yeah.
B
We're
right
to
point
out
that
there
are
already
alterations
to
the
promenade,
particularly
with
you
know,
areas
where
emily
has
actually
already
completed,
work
right,
where
there
was
a
brutalist
form
that
was
altered
with
artwork,
and
I
think
the
question
you
posed
of
is
that
truly
brutalist
anymore
is
is
a
good
one.
A
All
right
so,
as
john
pointed
out,
he's
got
a
motion
on
the
on
the
table.
I
just
want
to
have
a
general
discussion,
so
what
john
is
indicating
is
that
he'd
like
to
see
what
a
typical
mosaic
would
look
like?
I
guess
on
on
one
of
these
circular
planters.
E
E
More
than
that
ken,
I
don't
mean
to
interrupt
you,
but
so
we're
talking
about
a
changing
color
scheme
going
down.
I
want
to
see
the
placement
for
each
one
before
I
vote
on
it.
I
just
want
to
be
comfortable,
and
I
voted
on
many
of
her
things
in
the
past,
with
with
full
support
which
does
beautiful
work,
but
we
also
have
seen
before
this
board
that
we
do
not
vote
on
projects
until
they
are
presented
the
murals
on
the
side
of
the
building.
G
No,
that's
fine
totally.
If
I
knew
I
would
have
had
it
today,
visuals
are
very
important
for
people
to
feel
comfortable
and
move
forward.
So
that's
no
problem
and
we
have
to
wait
for
the
state
thing
anyway.
So
I'm
more
than
happy
to
do
that,
so
we
can
move
forward
confidently.
A
A
So
the
question
is
with
this
artwork,
so
we
can.
We
can
get
the
colors
and
we
can
get.
You
know
house
describing
that
they're
going
to
change
as
we
go
down,
but
if
I'm
understanding
this
correct
the
artwork
on
each
each
structure
is
going
to
be
totally
different.
So
how
does
she
come
back?
I'm
trying
to
give
her
some
guidance
on.
How
does
she
come
back
with
what
she's
intending
to
create
on
each
one
of
these
he's.
E
F
A
A
G
And
I
think
what
the
mock-up
will
show
you
in
terms
of
intent,
was
that
instead
of
these
planters,
just
being
overlooked,
it'll
show
the
planters
as
a
whole
and
the
beauty
of
the
planters
as
a
whole
and
how
the
circles
actually
define
the
negative
space
that
the
people
are
walking
on
and
I
think
it'll
it'll
it'll
connect
them
even
though
there'll
be
non-mosaic
flat
spots
in
between
the
planters.
It'll
still
be
one
piece
of
artwork,
even
though
it's
ten
separate
planters.
A
B
Think
I
have
that
that
I
believe
okay,
so
the
applicant
in
this
case
is
just
to
preface
this
application
actually
before
we
get
into
it.
This
is
very
similar
to
an
application
card
reviewed,
at
least
in
contacts
is
very
similar,
an
application
called
review
for
49
court
street
a
couple
months
ago,
and
that
this
is
not
a
a
building
that
exists
within
the
downtown
historic
district.
It's
immediately
adjacent
to,
and
the
commission
really
should
be
just
thinking
about
visual
impact,
historic
district.
B
B
You
can,
you
could
obviously
discuss
you,
know
the
different.
You
know
how
visible
this
is
from
the
area.
That's
inside
the
district.
That
could
be
a
component
of
the
conversation,
but
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
hanging.
A
lit
hanging
sign
from
the
structural
I-beam
staircase
here,
and
I
think
they
sent
dan
connerton,
is
on
the
line
as
the
representative
for
the
applicant
in
this
case,
and.
B
B
I
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
I
I
guess
in
terms
of
that
question
you're
asking
what's
below
the
the
current
sign:
that's
there
that's
heinz
still
there.
That
sign
is
yes
still
there.
I
believe
there
we
propose
to
replace
that
sign,
but
I
think
at
this
point
it's
just
looking
at
being
removed.
A
A
And,
and
so
this
that
we
have
now
so
that's
a
that's-
a
display
kind
of
like
a
display
board
that
the
message
can
change
the
colors
change.
I
That's
you're
talking
about
the
current
sign.
That's
there.
I
Sign
you're
proposing.
No,
that
will
not
change
it's
going
to
be
a
you
know,
box
led
lit
sign.
Okay
internally,.
D
I
No,
it
certainly
can
be
we
just
that
was
as
close
to
scale
as
we
could
get
with
the
current
dimensions
that
I
had
quoted.
The
sign.
E
I
Thank
you
yeah,
and
I
actually
completely
agree
with
that.
I
have
discussed
with
the
customer,
and
we
are
talking
about
you-
know
increasing
it
slightly
in
height
to
cover
that
full
opening.
E
I
I
seem
to
recall
that
the
bogart,
when
that
existed
back
in
the
late
70s
80s,
had
a
sign
up
there
as
well
with
a
little
arrow
that
went
down
for
the
old
restaurant.
But
I
mean
god
we're
going
back
40
years
guys
and
gals
yeah.
I've
heard.
B
Is
that
sign,
perpendicular
or.
I
Is
it
yes
it'll
come
up?
It
was
a
little
tough
to
show
on
the
angle
of
the
picture
we
had,
but
yes,
it'll
come
out
directly
perpendicular
from
that
beam
that
it's
next
to
in
the
image.
B
So
it's
it's
really
designed
to
be
seen
by
pedestrian
and
vehicular
traffic
moving
north
and
south
on
state
then
correct.
I
Yes
and
we
actually,
we
originally
had
the
position
on
the
left
beam,
but
due
to
the
insurance
liability,
I
believe
the
area
over
that
is
technically
owned
by
the
city,
where
the
new
proposed
location
is
owned
by
the
building
owner
and
that's
why
we
moved
it
over
to.
I
Where
we'll
lose
some
some
visibility
coming
from
court
street,
but
it
seemed
to
work
out
better
for
the
building
owner.
I
Yes,
so
that's
right,
that's
either
going
to
be
removed
or
be
replaced.
If
we
do
plan
on
replacing
it,
obviously
we'll
we'll
submit
a
new
application
for
that.
I
did
propose
that
be
replaced,
but
currently
I
believe
the
plan
is
just
to
have
it
removed.
E
A
Anybody
else
on
the
board
have
any
other
comments
regarding
the
sign,
as
as
sean
indicated,
it
is
not
in
the
historic
district
it
is
adjacent
to
so
one
of
our
our
criteria
in
the
historic
district
is
no
internally
lit
signs,
but
this
is
not
at
the
application
for
this
one
being
outside
the
district.
C
E
Would
make
a
motion?
I
would
make
a
motion
to
accept
the
aqua
sign
for
I'm
sorry
sean.
What
is
the
address?
124
state
124
state
street
city
of
binghamton,
as
proposed
understanding
different
from
the
graphics
that
it
is
a
a
perpendicular
hanging
sign
in
a
north
and
southerly
facing
direction.
E
I
Yes,
I
completely
agree
and
I'll
I'll
pass
that
along
to
the
customer
that
you
know
if
we
do
want
to
replace
that
it
won't
be
a
lit
sign.
It'll
just
be,
you
know
a
face.
B
B
Like
honestly
from
just
this
is
my
own
comment,
I
think,
from
a
design
perspective,
I
think
that
sign
does
does
not
mean
the
existing
sign
does
nothing
for
the
building.
I
think
that
emphasis
on
the
design
of
that
is
that
staircase
and
by
hiding
it
behind
signage.
You
kind
of
defeat
the
point
of
the
design,
but
that's
just
a
staff
comment.
E
A
E
H
D
E
D
H
B
Okay,
so
this
application
is
again
for
for
signage
and
in
this
case
it's
a
little
bit.
I'm
sorry
and
I'm
kind
of
apologizing
for
the
commission
here,
but
this
signage
has
actually
already
been
installed,
and
I
think
there
was
a
a
disconnect
between
the
science
fabricator
and
and
submitting
their
applications,
including
their
time
permit
application,
but
we're
trying
to
get
people
back
into
good
compliance
here,
and
I
don't
believe
it
was
the
applicant's
intent
or
the
owner's
intent
to
circumvent
cod
review
in
the
in
this
case.
B
Luckily,
the
signage
that's
been
installed.
I
think,
because
the
fabricator
is
familiar
with
the
cog
process
is
largely
consistent.
It
might
exceed
the
one-third
guideline
by
a
little
bit,
but
that
would
be
the
only
issue
and
I
think,
given
the
size
of
the
display
window
and
the
you
know
the
the
total
area
that
is
glazed,
I
don't
think
it
does
exceed
the
one-third.
B
D
A
A
A
Yeah,
okay,
so
there's
really
nothing
much
on
the
door
at
all
yeah
and
is
the
color
on
the
logo.
Is
that
accurate
in
this
photograph
or
is
it
brighter
than
that
or
no.
A
D
E
Only
secondary
thought-
and
I
touched
on
what
sean
had
said-
that
the
person
doing
the
signage
was
aware
of
what
we
do
and
I
almost
think
that
we
should
have
a
letter
sent
to
him,
because
if
he
knows
what
we
do,
he
should
know
to
have
made
the
application
on
behalf
of
his
client,
but
I
do
like
the
sign
is
presented.
I
have
no
problem
with
the
sign.
B
Well,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
saw
paul
unmuted.
I
don't
know
if
he
wants
to
add
anything.
Oh
sorry,
okay,.
A
H
It
was
just
it
was
a
misunderstanding,
like
we've
been
working
with
alex
shop
on
this,
and-
and
we
assumed
that
this
was
something
he
was
going
to
take
care
of
prior
to
like
correspondence
that
we
had,
we
weren't
really
trying
to
overstep
anything.
So
the
main
signage
that
you
see
on
the
window
is
what
we
primarily
wanted
to
do.
If
anything,
we
wanted
to
update
the
the
address
that
says
five
course
street.
H
So
that
way
it's
in
accordance
with,
like
the
font
that
we
have
for
golden
fleece
and
then
on
the
side
of
the
building.
We
just
would
also
like
to
add
the
words
tattoo
and
piercing
so
that
way,
pedestrians
and
vehicular
drivers
going
down
the
main
street
bridge
we'll
be
able
to
see
more
clearly
what
it
is
that
we
offer.
E
All
right
so
paul
this,
mr
darrow,
understand
that
you're
going
to
have
to
submit
the
address
and
submit
the
side
window
stuff
to
us
for
the
next
meeting.
But
we
can
approve
the
front
window
signs
right
now,
because
we
have
that
okay,
okay,
cool
and
right
now,
you've
got
our
our
go
ahead
unanimously,
who
understood
it
correctly?
Yeah.
A
E
A
Okay,
sean
any
other
business
that
you
want
us
to
be
aware
of
no.
B
I
just
if
you
know
I
I've
seen
a
couple
emails
come
in
regarding
the
special
meeting,
because
we
do
need
to
get
those
two
applications
and
can
you're
recused
from
that
from
those
two.
E
I
do
have
something
when
you're
ready.
I
do
have
something:
I've
been
getting
emails
about,
the
old
number
five
restaurant
and
it
appears
they
took
off
some
of
the
brick
work
on
the
top
facade.
That
was
bfd,
and
I
think
it
was
either
1891
or
1897
the
date.
I
was
over
there
last
night
and
took
a
picture
and
it
it's
like
the
whole
top
facade
like
four
or
five
feet
has
been
redone
minusing,
the
bfd
and
the
and
the
date
and
my
understanding
of
being
a
local
state
and
national
landmark.
E
They
cannot
do
that
to
the
exterior
and
it
was
before
our
board,
and
we
were
quite
adamant
about
such
things.
So
I
kind
of
need
to
know
going
ahead
and
I
have
to
respond
to
this.
This
person
who
lives
over
there
is
pretty
upset.
B
So
what
I'll
clarify
that
for
you,
john?
So
there
was
a
a
local
resident
who
I
think,
probably
reached
out
to
you
and
maybe
some
other
members
of
the
community,
because
I
was
made
aware
of
it
through
a
city
councilman
who
reached
out
to
the
clerk's
office,
and
then
I
was
notified
and
I
spoke
with
you
know.
The
developer
of
that
property
was
is,
is
very
cognizant
of
of
the
historic
resource
he
has,
and
I
think
I
you
know
I
I
do
check
on
that
project.
B
Every
so
often
I
haven't
been
made
aware
of
this,
but
I
I
reached
out
to
him
yesterday
and
got
a
response
back
within
a
half
an
hour
and
he
notified
me
that,
and
if
you
give
me
one
second
I'll,
read
exactly
what
he
said,
but
the
good
good
for
bringing
that
up.
He
told
me
the
date
stone
at
the
top
is
not
being
removed.
E
B
Well
originally,
so,
if
you
remember
correctly,
that
section
of
the
building
at
the
top
was
covered
in
ivy,
which
is
not
a
good
thing
for
historic
buildings,
usually,
and
particularly
for
mortar.
So
as
I
understand
it
that
was
removed
and
then
they
needed
to
repair
the
brand
and
they,
I
think,
they're,
repairing
it.
B
Last
I
had
checked
and
what
was
presented
during
the
cod
meeting,
because
I
went
back
to
check
that
it
was
to
be
repaired
in
basically
the
same
fashion
as
the
repairs
made
to
the
adjacent
building
at
the
top
facade
at
the
top
of
the
facade.
Excuse
me,
so
everything
so
far
is
still
consistent
with
cod's
prior
decision
in
that
case
and
with
the
overall
rehabilitation,
but
I
will
keep
an
eye
on
it
to
make
sure.
E
Okay,
because
he
does
have
that
that,
like
pediment
up
top
all
bricked
back
in
just
missing
the
pertinent
information,
also,
I
thought
that
we
had
had
a
thing
on
our
paperwork
concerning
the
main
staircase
inside
that
was
going
to
remain.
Is
that
still
the
case?
I
don't
think
we
have
say
over
interior,
but
I
understood
that
you.
E
Okay,
we're
working
towards
public
right
of
ways
or
something
in
interior
buildings.
I
think
so
aren't
we.
B
There
is
an
option
if
copper,
to
update
our
our
current
preservation
ordinance
to
be
to
match
the
existing
state
recommended
legislation.
There
is
an
option
to
include
interior
a
section
of
interiors
that
are
accessible
to
the
public,
so.
G
E
B
No,
I
don't
think
you
need
you
don't
need
to
make
a
motion
for
that.
We
can.
B
You
know
any
sort
of
change
the
the
preservation
law
goes
through
quite
a
few
jumps,
so
we
can
start
working
on
that
and
I
don't
know
you
know
if
we
do
update
it.
I'm
not
sure
if,
if
that
interior
landmarks
section
would
make
it
into
the
final
cut,
but
there's
no
harm
in
exploring
it.
E
D
B
You
you
feel,
for
I
mean
john,
if
they're,
if
and
to
any
of
the
commissioners,
if
there
are
properties
that
you
think
should
be
local
landmarks
feel
free
to
forward
them
to
me.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
it's
better
always
better
to
also
approach
the
property
owner
beforehand,
if
you're
interested
in
getting
a
feeling
for
whether
or
not
they
would
be
supportive
of
it,
because
you
really
don't
want
to
go
landmarking
things
without
property
owner
support,
it's
just
not
appropriate.
E
C
B
D
B
Is
getting
the
key
is
getting
mike
or
mick?
We
need
one
of
them
to
attend
so
as
soon
as
I
hear
back
from
them
I'll
notify
everybody.