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C
A
No
mike
can't
join.
A
The
the
new
guy-
I
guess
that's.
B
B
B
F
B
All
right,
as
sean
pointed
out,
my
firm
is
involved
in
the
first
agenda
item
27
shenango
31
shenango
street.
So
I
make
a
motion
to
have
john
current
step
in
and
I
will
confuse
myself.
G
A
Yeah
john,
you
didn't
have
much
choice
there.
They
just
yeah.
D
A
C
E
Could
you
please
because
I'm
looking
at
the
stone
opera
house-
and
I
thought
we
were
fire
station.
B
A
Yeah
we're
on
to
the
the
stone
opera
house:
okay,
yep,
okay,
so
the
application
you're
pretty
familiar
with
with
this,
because
the
applicant
came
before
cod
a
few
months
ago
to
sort
of
present
some
preliminary
drawings
and
sort
of
an
overall
general
presentation
of
where
they
were
going
with
this
project.
A
It
is
the
adaptive
reuse
of
both
the
stone
opera
house
and
strand
theater.
They
will
be
converted
to
serve
housing
purposes,
residential
housing.
D
A
Multiple
department
types
the
applicant
has
received
planning
commission
approval,
but
now
they're
seeking
approval
for
the
exterior
alterations
for
the
both
of
the
buildings.
Sorry,
I
was
getting
a
little
feedback
there.
I
apologize.
A
I
will
go
down
to
my
staff
findings.
I
just
to
inform
the
commission.
I've
worked
pretty
closely
with
the
applicant
and
the
design
team
on
this
to
arrive
at
a.
A
Exterior
design
particular
emphasis
on
the
primary
facades
of
both
buildings
to
arrive
at
a
a
design
that
is
sympathetic
to
the
original
facades
of
both
buildings
or
to
a
particular
period
of
both
of
the
facades
in
the
early
20th
century
and
have
tried
to
arrive
at
something
that's
very
close
to
meeting
the
guidelines
as
prescribed.
A
So
when
looking
at
both
of
these,
I
think
the
commission
should
focus
on
materials
specifically
with
regard
to
the
windows,
the
materials
of
the
both
of
the
storefronts
or
original
storefronts
that
are
now
being
recreated,
and
you
know
much
more
sympathetic,
I
think,
to
the
designs
or
closer
to
the
original
designs
of
both
buildings
than
what's
currently
present.
But
there
are
changes
and
there
are
use
or
changes
to
more
contemporary
materials,
and
I
know
that
that
is
something
that's
a
little
bit
goes
against
what
the
guidelines
recommend.
A
However,
the
original
configuration
is
being
met
and
was
based
on
historic
imagery.
Obviously,
there
is
a
a
lot
of
new
window
cut-ins,
that's
necessary
for
the
adaptive
reuse
of
both
buildings,
but
they're,
largely
consistent
with
the
design
guidelines
and
and
the
manner
to
go
about
that.
I
know
there
was
a
little
bit
of
a
question
with
the
design
team
about
the
material
of
the
windows.
I
think
we've
arrived
at
a
a
a
pretty
good
middle
ground
on
that
and
I
think
that's
about
it.
A
There
is
a
bit
of
a
question
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
been
changes
to
the
rear,
theater
door
along
the.
I
believe.
That's
the.
Let
me
go
to
the
elevation.
It
might
just
be
easier
if
I
go
there
and
I
know
it's
in
the
staff
report
too,
because
I
called
it
out,
but
I
think
it
might
be
better.
A
This
entry,
basically,
the
new
proposal,
calls
for
the
the
removal
or
last
I
was
informed.
It
called
for
the
removal
of
this
entry,
and
I
think
that
you
know,
even
though
it's
being
converted
and
adaptively
reused
into
residential
purposes,
the
building
should
still
be
understood
for
what
their
original
use
was
and
the
remover
of
sort
of
the
the
stage
and
set
doors
an
entryway,
I
think,
would
would
diminish
that
understanding.
But
I
know
it's
still
called
to
be
an
original
entry.
A
I
just
think
that
the
commission
might
want
to
think
about
ways
that
are
deriving
a
solution
where
this
becomes
functional
for
the
new
building
design,
but
can
still
be
understood
as
being
utilized
for
an
entryway
for
the
set
pieces
and
when
it
was
used
as
old
buildings
were
used
as
theaters.
But
besides
that,
I
think,
if
I
go
back
to
the
design
of
the
primary
elevations,
which
I
know
is
of
you
know
primary
concern
to
most.
A
Let
me
just,
I
think,
we're
pretty
close
at
the
original
or
to
the
original
designs
of
both
just
using
more
contemporary
materials.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
a
question
about
the
arched
opening
here
and
the
manner
of
treatment.
A
The
original
proposal
from
keystone
called
for
a
a
recreation
of
what
was
shown
in
some
of
the
imagery,
and
I
spoke
with
them,
and
you
know
it
was
a
little
bit
off
from
what
was
originally
there,
perhaps
a
bit
too
far,
and
so
I
recommended
they
just
retain
the
existing
configuration,
and
so
that
would
just
be
a
you
know,
retained,
but
with
new
contemporary
materials.
A
H
Sean
the
arch
window
that
you're
referring
to
in
this
image
is
there:
is
there
an
existing
photo
representation?
Yes,.
A
A
So
you
can
see
it
originally
had
a
balcony.
There
was,
you
know,
more
solid
pains
to
either
side
and
there
was
a
door
and
entry
and
the
the
original
proposal
from
the
applicant
sort
of
recreated
that
sands,
the
balcony
and
sands
the
door
and
just
utilized
it
as
a
window,
and
I
thought
that
that
would
have
created
a
false
sense
of
history.
A
Although
a
nice
nod
to
its
past,
I
think
you
know
sticking
with
what
was
existing
was
more
appropriate
with
the
guidelines
in
this
case,
since
there
is
no
balcony,
it
wouldn't
really
serve
much
of
a
functional
purpose,
just
the
retention
of
the
existing
window,
as
is
but
renewed
with
contemporary
materials.
A
H
So
what
was
that?
So?
I
guess
my
one
question
with
that
is
you
know
the
the
mutton
patterns
you
know.
What's
the
significance
of
that,
because
in
the
in
the
existing
photo,
I
received
there's
there's
three
panes
right
center
pane
was
more
of
a
door
to
access
the
balcony,
but
they
didn't
have
those
those
mutton
patterns
in
the
existing
image.
H
H
A
Historic
mutton
pattern
was
was
different,
but
the
exact
when
that
change
occurred
is
is
unknown.
I
assume
it
would
have
occurred
when
the
balcony
was
removed.
I
think
that's
probably
you
know
the
best
guess,
but
I'm
not
exactly
sure
when
that
took
place,
and
so
rather
than
recreating
a
and
you
know
a
a
window
opening
that
treats
it
as
if
it
had
a
balcony.
I
thought
it
was
more
appropriate
to
just
retain
the
existing
configuration
with
contemporary
materials.
E
E
E
D
I
think
we've
worked
with
sean
to
try
to
reach
compromises
and
areas
working
with
materials
that
are
available
today
and
still
trying
to
maintain
the
semblance
of
the
past
and
have
a
functional
building,
especially
when
we
talked
about
the
possibility
of
commercial
space
on
the
frontage
of
the
building
made.
A
few
changes
there
at
his
recommendation
to
once.
G
D
You
know
we're
open
to
suggestions,
but
we
think
we've
come
up
with
a
workable
plan
that
will
work
for
the
city
and
the
developer,
and
we
just
would
really
love
to
get
started
on
this.
It's
been
a
while
and
we'd
really
like
to
get
going
on
it.
E
E
So
sean
I'm
having
some
difficulty
seeing.
Is
this
going
to
be
compartmentalized?
What
all
is
being
asked?
I
I
can't
pull
up
the
the
presentation
proper
again.
E
Okay,
does
any
of
the
board
members
have
a
a
problem
with
anything
they're
seeing
open
it
for
discussion
at
this
time.
H
John,
this
is
john.
This
is
nick.
I
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
what
they're
proposing
on
the
front
facade.
I
think
it
looks.
E
H
So
so
sean
we're
just
making
a
motion
for
the
front
facade
here
on
shenango
street.
H
G
A
Pads,
yes,
these
are
all
secondary
facades,
not
really
visible
from
the
public
right
away
whatsoever.
They're,
mostly
visible
from
the
alley
between
the
state
street
parking
garage
and
the
theater
building.
H
The
idea
of
the
punched
windows
are
to
allow
natural
light
ventilation
and
potentially
egress
for
the
for
the
units
yep.
E
H
It's
me,
I
I
mean
I
don't
have
any
so.
Is
that
the
one
that's
the
one
facade?
Is
there
a
second
facade.
G
D
F
H
A
So
the
recess
is
being
maintained
on
the.
What
is
that?
That's
the
stone
right
and
they're
using
sort
of
a
you
know,
they're
retaining
that,
but
just
keeping
the
opening
right.
So
the
arched
entry
opening
is
being
retained
and
I
think
they're
going
to
use
it.
As
you
see
at
the
note
here,
you
know
for
just
keeping
that
and
then
adding
you
know,
probably
the
it's
a
new
door,
but
the
the
on
the
strand.
A
The
opening
is
being
altered
rather
dramatically,
and
I
think
it's
now
that
will
not
be
understood
as
an
entry
for
a
theater
in
its
current
configuration.
It
would
be
very
much
understood
as
an
entry
to
you
know,
apartments.
C
The
reason
why
we
had
to
reset
that
door
is
because
of
snow,
otherwise
we'll
have
to
provide
a
canopy
on
top
of
the
door
which
doesn't
make
sense
again
it's
going
to
change
drastically
the
appearance
or
the
rear
elevation.
So
this
was
a
good
compromise.
We
came
up
with
recess
the
door
to
get
the
elements
out
of
the
steps
in
the
door.
E
H
So
my
my
question
is:
why
are
we,
why
are
we
removing
the
archway
and
infilling
it
because,
on
the
other,
one
we're
keeping
the
recess
the
archway
and
then
obviously
you're
placing
a
an
egress
door
kind
of
within
that
opening,
and
why
can't
the
same
happen
on
the
strand.
C
I
I
I
I
think
we
didn't
drew
it
right,
but
it's
going
to
be
the
same
situation
on
on
strand
also
other
than
just
the
opening
would
be
recessed
the
outside
brickwork.
There
will
be
archway,
there's
no
point
in
taking
out
the
archway,
so
it's
still
going
to
be
there.
The
arch
is
going
to
be
still
there
only
thing
is
the
door
is
going
to
be
recessed.
E
Oh
sean
is
that
sufficient
for
our
needs
for
that
archway
or
would
we
need
updated,
rendering.
A
A
A
A
A
C
H
E
H
Ahead
mike
nick,
oh
yeah,
so
conti,
are
you
saying
that
the
the
single
door
will
fill
the
whole
width
of
the
opening.
C
H
Yeah,
but
so
sean
go
back
to
the
drawing
then,
because
I
don't
know
does
that
reflect
that.
A
H
Right
so
sean,
I
think
you
know
the
drawing
obviously
doesn't
depict
you
know
the
existing
conditions
there
and
kante
had
mentioned
that
you
know
they're
not
going
to
infill
the
arch
top,
but
they'll
they'll
infill
the
opening,
with
kind
of
a
sort
of
a
modern
door
frame
glass
system,
but
it
still
would
retain
some
of
its
value.
I
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
john.
H
There
could
be
some
adjustment
minor
adjustments
made
to
the
to
the
design
to
reflect.
You
know
what
we're
thinking,
but
you
know
as
long
as
the
drawing
reflects.
What's
there,
I
I
don't
have
much
of
an
issue
with
it.
E
G
H
There,
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
make
sure
that
it's
reflected
of
existing
conditions
with
the
arch
top
there's
a
brick
arch
there
and
make
sure
that
the
opening
is
is
infilled.
You
know
and
is
sensitive
to
what
what
was
there
back
in
the
1900s
or
something.
H
Yes,
so
so
is
everybody
else?
Okay,
with
with
the
facade
like
the
openings
on
all
of
the
non-primary
facades,
because
even
even
this
west
facade
sean,
this
is
still
a
non-primary
facade,
even
though
it's
the
rear
of
the
building.
G
H
H
H
So
I'll
start
out
by
making
that
motion
here,
so
I
make
a
motion
to
to
approve
what
is
it
the
stone
opera
theater
in
the
strand
exterior
elevations,
as
presented
with
the
modification
on
the
west
facade,
which
is
the
rear
of
the
building
on
the
strand,
building
that
the
existing
stage
opening
to
be
reflected?
What's
what's
currently
there
and
that
a
design
that
infills
that
opening
is
appropriate
for
kind
of
modern
day
elements.
H
H
A
D
D
Just
as
a
recap,
this
is
an
approved
presentation
to
you,
but
we
have
to
with
your
guidance
we
look
at
the
door
opening
at
the
rear
of
the
strand.
Is
that
correct,
correct
we're
comfortable
with
that?
Okay.
A
Excellent,
all
right
well
I'll,
be
in
touch
with
with
both
of
you
moving
forward.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
A
It
would
be
a
motion
to
reinstate
ken
as
chance.
I
make.
E
The
motion
to
reinstate
ken
ellsworth
as
the
chairman
of
the
city
of
binghamton's
commission,
on
architecture,
urban
design,
historic
preservation,.
E
A
Yes,
so
the
commission
should
be
familiar
with
this
application
as
well,
because
it
came
up
for
our
april
meeting
and
at
that
meeting
the
commission
asked
the
applicant
to
return
before
the
commission
with
a
proposed
rendering
of
the
treatment
of
the
planters
that
are
going
to
be
featuring
the
mosaic
tile.
So
I
don't
need
to
go
too
much
into
it
besides,
maybe
just
re-showing
some
of
the
imagery
of
what
we're
talking
about
here
with
the
planters.
D
A
Of
the
chenango
river
promenade
and
then
the
so,
you
can
sort
of
see
the
existing
planters
there
further
along
here.
Basically
wrapping
around
the
area
immediately
adjacent
to
the
downtown
university
center,
and
then
the
applicant
has
provided
this
mock-up
sort
of
showing
the
treatment,
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
just
zoom
out
a
little
bit
here.
A
We
go
so
everyone
can
see,
I
know
emily's
on
the
line,
so
if
she
wants
to
the
state
historic
preservation
office
because
of
the
nature
of
funding
for
this
project
issued
a
no
adverse
effect
letter
here
on
that
front,
the
only
question.
A
Yeah
a
question
I
would
pose
to
you
is
about
maintenance
and
how
these
mosaics
will
be
maintained,
because
if
you
look,
I
took
a
look
at
some
of
the
other
areas
where
there's
been
mosaic
tile
installed,
and
I
noticed
that
there's
like
you
know,
some
of
these
tiles
fall
off
and
it
gets
a
little
patchy.
A
Sometimes-
and
you
know
it's
not
the
majority,
but
it
is
in
some
locations,
and
so
I'm
just
we're
a
little
concerned
with
maintenance
over
a
long
over
the
long
term
and
how
that's
done-
and
you
know
how
is
that
financed
too,
isn't
just
another
question,
so
you
know
what
what
is
the
nature
of
how
these
these
planners
will
be
maintained
if
they're
mosaic.
F
Okay,
well,
so,
if
it's
just
like
so
basically
I
do
the
best
I
can
to
maintain
them
over
the
years
with
the
small
patches
here
and
there,
because
of
the
nature
of
how
the
mosaics
are
installed,
some
of
them
with
the
group
programs.
I
do
find
myself
having
to
go
back.
You
know
over
the
years,
like
I
think,
I've
been
to
the
riverwalk.
I
think
now
once
to
do
some
small
repairs
and
there's
no
formal
agreement
on
that.
F
We've
ever
had
on
maintenance,
but
I,
if
I
can,
if
I
spot
it,
then
I
will
be
there
to
fix
it.
I
sometimes
I
just
don't
notice
it
right
away
and
and
I'll
do
that
for
the
rest
of
my
life,
so
I
always
do
if
there's
a
repair,
if
there's
a
repair
needed,
I
I
will
try
to
fix
it
as
quickly
as
possible,
because
I
know
that
if
it,
if
that
repair
is
not
fixed
before
the
winter
time,
that
is
going
to
lead
to
more
and
more
and
more
damage.
F
So
it's
very
very,
very
important
to
me
that
I
do
maintain
them
and
like
and
in
terms
of
funding
that
it's
normally
something
I
just
do
myself,
but
for
example,
there
was
issues
at
walnut
street
park
with
vandalism
and
rocks
and
and
it
was
massive
damage,
but
maybe
that
damage
was
also
because
of
like
the
root
the
trees
growing
behind
it.
F
It
didn't
matter
whose
fault
the
fun,
whose
fault
the
destruction
was
it,
so
I
just
got
a
grant
for
a
thousand
dollars
to
fix
it
and
included
the
community
for
a
weekend.
So
any
like
these
mosaics
are
my
livelihood,
and
the
last
thing
I
want
is
for
them
to
ever
fall
apart.
So
I
mean
I
I
do
what
I
can
as
best.
I
can
to
make
sure
that
they're
maintained,
but,
like
I
said
sometimes
it's
just
I
don't.
F
F
You
know
smaller
than
like
a
little
teacup,
but
I,
but
if
I
don't,
then
they're
gonna
just
fall
apart
more
so,
and
I
do
I
try
to
take
rounds
as
much
as
I
can
to
keep
check
on
them
and
just
oversee
them,
especially
in
the
beginning
of
every
summer,
but
there's
no
really
formal
process
for
anything
or
we've
never
figured
this
out,
except
that
it's
just
very,
very,
very,
very,
very
important
to
me
that
they're
maintained.
F
Like
if
there
were
to
be
like
so,
for
example,
one
of
them
got
spray-painted
during
the
protest
last
summer
and
down
down
at
the
promenade
at
where
the
fountain
used
to
be
and
re-rent
cleaned
it
up.
So
one
way
or
another
always
gets
taken
care
of
have
a
specific
process.
A
B
A
Correct
yeah,
I
just
you
know
it's
one
thing
that
doesn't
hasn't
been
really
addressed
before
and
I
you
know,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
these
mosaic
installations.
You
know
in
different
places,
so
I
just
thought
the
commission
should
consider
that
I
mean
you're
just
basically
approving
it
at
this
one
moment
in
time,
but.
B
Okay,
lord
numbers
comments
regarding
what
we're.
B
Far
as
colors
and
the
blending
of
the
colors
and
the
whole
concept.
D
F
Thank
you
absolutely
so
that
is
just
a
portion
of
it,
but
it
will
continue
through
the
rest
of
the
spectrum
of
the
of
all
the
colors.
B
B
B
Any
other
comments
from
other
members:
everybody
somewhat
are
okay,
with
this
yeah.
H
I
don't
have
any
comments
ken
I
like
it
tip.
I
like
it.
B
B
A
I
think
it's
I
think
several
people
are
joining
by
phone.
Like
I
think
emily
was
joined
by
phone.
I
think
john
you're
probably
joining
my
phone.
A
You
know
I
thought
emily
might
be,
you
know,
maybe
outdoors,
I'm
not
sure,
and
I
I
actually
I
think
I
could
hear
christina
before
so
I
I
muted
christina,
and
so
I
will
invite
her
to
unmute.
I
can
there
we
go.
A
No,
that's
okay,
so
we've
got
now
we're
moving
into
the
determinations
of
historical
significance
for
demolition
segment
of
the
agenda
today
and
the
first
property.
You
know,
I'm
just
gonna
make
it
very
clear.
I
I
didn't
find
that
there
was
any
significance
to
this
property.
I
apologize
to
the
commission.
I
know
we
recently
spoke
a
few
months
ago
about
providing
interior
photos
and
the
importance
of
that.
A
But
given
the
conditions
from
what
I
was
briefed
on
from
both
the
applicant
and
our
building
department,
it,
the
the
building,
was
not
accessible
or
really
healthy
to
access,
so
I
did
not
enter.
I've
been
told
that
it
was
essentially
occupied
by
a
hoarder
or
hoarders
plural,
and
so
that's
not
not
fit,
for
you
know
entering
to
take
photos
and,
like
I
said,
oh
yeah
and
christina.
If
you
want
to
go
into
detail
about
that,
please
feel
free.
I
Yep,
I
I
jumped
up
over
that
missing
front
step
that
you're
showing
there
it
wasn't
pretty,
but
I
did
it
and
put
one
foot
in
the
door.
It
was
just
smelled
and
you
couldn't
even
step
in
the
house.
So
it's
not
not
a
good
scenario.
B
Okay
board
members:
any
any
comments
before
we
move
towards
the
seeker
process.
E
A
I
think
that
that's
you
know
the
contractor
is
responsibility,
so
you're
only
reviewing
it
for
historic
significance
and
that
would
fall
to
the
contractor
and
I
I
suppose,
potentially
with
building,
but
I
have
to
say
that
I
believe
it
would
fall
basically
on
the
contractor
to
ensure
that
demo
was
performed
with
all
safety
considerations
in
mind
right.
Thank
you.
B
E
E
B
All
in
favor
all
right
and
we
always
pick
on
marion-
are
you
still
in
agreement
to
be
picked
on
marielle.
B
A
G
G
Will
the
proposed
action
have
an
impact
on
the
environmental
characteristics
that
cause
the
establishment
of
a
critical
environmental
area?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
result
in
a
diverse
change
in
the
existing
level
of
traffic
or
effect
affect
existing
infrastructure
for
mass
transit
biking
or
walkway?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
cause
an
increase
in
use
of
energy
as
it
and
it
fails
to
incorporate
reasonably
available
energy
conservation
or
renewable
energy
opportunities?
No,
will
the
proposed
action
impact
existing
public,
slash,
private
water
supplies,
b,
public,
slash,
private
waste
water
treatment
utilities?
G
B
I
and
dan
I
and
myself
I
okay
motion,
pass
john
you're
up.
Oh.
E
H
H
A
Okay,
so
three
fayette
is
this:
if
you
noticed
in
my
staff
report,
I
I
called
out
a
couple
of
things
about
this
property
again.
You
know
I
just
want
to
stress
it
is,
you
know,
significantly
deteriorated
the
christina.
I
never
ended
up
getting
the
interior
photographs.
I
know
you
said
that
you
had
them,
but
I
I
didn't
end
up
getting
them,
but
I
did
include
a
shot
that
I
was
able
to
get.
A
Yeah,
so
it's
stripped
it's
you
know
completely
gutted,
essentially
on
the
interior,
which
I
think
is
a
shame
it's
not
in
the
floodplain.
I
think
that's
important,
because
you
know
many
properties
within
the
neighborhood
are
this
one
happens
to
fall
outside
of
it.
I
found
a
couple
of
things
that
I
think
are
of
interest,
but
just
I
I
want
the
commission
to
be
very
sensitive
to
the
to
the
area
that
that
this
home
is
in
and
you'll
notice.
I
I
talk
about
that
under
the
third
criteria
that
this
was.
A
You
know,
this
area
of
the
city
is
traditionally
been
considered,
the
oldest
residential
section
of
it
of
the
city.
You
know
it
sort
of
took
on
the
name
of
center
city
in
the
mid
20th
century
and
sometimes
is
referred
to
that
today,
but
it
was
really
the
area
of
of
downtown
or
just
east
of
downtown.
That
was
sort
of
the
the
first
area
where
different
emma
groups
landed
when
they
arrived
at
binghamton.
You
know
whether
it
was
your
first,
you
know,
jewish
and
italian,
to
later
german
and
polish,
and
then
african
americans.
A
You
know
it
was.
It
was
traditionally
sort
of
the
melting
pot
of
the
city
and
then
in
the
late
1940s.
A
Because
of
its
you
know,
I
I
have
to
say
I
think
it's
because
of
its
sort
of
history.
As
this
melting
pot
area
for
immigrants,
the
area
was
pretty
heavily
targeted
by
urban
renewal,
including
you
know.
In
particular,
this
block
was
heavily
targeted.
The
creation
of
columbus
park
basically
eradicated.
A
You
know
multiple
homes
and
demolished
them.
You
know
that
was
considered
off-site
slum
clearance
and
dramatically
altered
the
street.
You
know
basically
eliminated
an
entire
cross
street
in
the
neighborhood
and
then
just
south
of
the
the
area
where
this
home
is.
A
You
have
the
creation
of
north
shore
drive,
which
resulted
in
the
destruction
of
you,
know
more
streets,
more
residential
properties,
and
then
there
were
multiple
public
housing
projects
which
we
we
see
to
this
day,
and
you
know
all
these
remnants
of
urban
renewal
in
the
neighborhood
still
exist
and
we're
dealing
with
them.
Today,
this
property
came
up
a
few
times
in
relation
to
urban
renewal.
A
As
being
one
of
those
you
know,
as
the
impetus
for
this
area
being
targeted
was
was
really
like.
What
was
considered
substandard
housing
conditions-
and
you
know
there
are
multiple
causes
of
that-
whether
it
be
just
because
the
building
stock
was
old,
but
also
because
landlords
and
property
owners,
basically
weren't,
maintaining
their
properties
effectively,
and
so
that
sort
of
provided
an
opportunity
for
the
area
to
be
targeted.
As
part
of
these,
you
know
whether
it
be
slum
removal
quote,
unquote
or
targeted
attempts
at
code
enforcement
and
and
rehab.
A
I
just
want
to
go
to
that.
So
this
you
know
sort
of
speaks
to
that.
Where
you
have
you
know
what
was
the
precursor
to
the
urban
league,
which
was
core
the
congress
on
racial
equality,
organizing
a
protest
outside
of
this
house,
you
know-
and
you
know
you
can
see
how
dramatically
altered
it's
been.
A
That's
you
know
what
it
looked
like,
and
I
believe
this
is,
if
I
remember
correctly
in
1966
yeah,
so
you
can
sort
of
see
you
know
the
dramatic
alterations
that
have
been
made
to
this
property,
but
it
really
does
fall
into
that.
You
know
era
of
urban
renewal
and
I
think
the
commission
needs
to
be
sensitive.
You
know
whether
there's
been
substantial
demolition
of
the
neighborhood
through
all
those
those
programs
of
urban
renewal
and
then
more
recently,
as
a
result
of
fema
floodplain
hazard
mitigation
demos.
A
So
I
just
want
the
commission
to
be
aware
of
that
and
to
be
sensitive
of
it.
You
know
when
making
their
determination.
As
you
can
see,
the
house
heavily
deteriorated,
but
I
think
it's
important
that
you
know
the
commission
consider
the
neighborhood
in
the
context
that
this
this
home
is
located
in.
F
E
An
area
I
drive
through
with
any
frequency
is:
is
this
building
now
a
minority
of
structures
reflecting
what
the
neighborhood
was
like
and
is
salvageable
in
its
condition,
or
is
it
deteriorated
beyond
salvage
and
there's
enough
other
buildings
of
equal
disposition
that
would
be
saved
to
to
be
represented
with
the
neighborhood?
So.
A
A
A
You
know,
as
I
showed
from
the
the
newspaper
records
by
at
least
an
african-american
comm
family
in
the
1950s
and
60s.
But
beyond
that,
I
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
was
that
what
you
meant
by
minority
like
population-
I
don't
know
if.
B
A
Yeah,
so
what
I'm?
What
I'm?
I
think
that
you
know
there
is
something
here
in
that
you
know
this
was
the
area
immediately
like
we're
talking
like
this
block
right,
half
of
it
was
wiped
out
for
columbus
park
right
and
the
renaming.
You
know
the
elimination
of
sherman
place,
essentially
both
ame
and
me,
churches.
Both
of
them
were
removed
through
urban
renewal.
A
I
think
actually,
the
remnants
of
the
binghamton
whip
company
became
are
are
still
there.
I
think
that
became
that
the
candy
distribution
center-
and
you
know
I
was
putting
that
together
as
a
result
of
the
staff
report,
but
there
was
this
sort
of
there
are
remnants
of
industry.
You
know,
and
unemployment.
G
A
That
area,
but
a
lot
of
the
residential
homes
are
disappearing
and
that's
sort
of
why
I
called
attention
to
it.
In
my
staff
report,
fayette
street
is
relatively
intact,
which
is
the
street
that
this
property
faces
onto
immediately
south
of
the
building.
One
one
fad,
I
believe
is,
has
been
demolished
and
that's
immediately
to
the
south,
so
there's
a
vacant
lot
immediately
to
the
south
and
then
to
the
north.
Both
properties
still
exist
and
across
the
street.
The
the
homes
are
intact
too,
but
I.
A
I
So
the
property
I'll
just
give
a
little
background
on
how
we
got
involved
with
the
property
it's
owned
by
isaac,
ann's
root,
who
I
believe,
has
some
development
plans.
In
the
long
term,
we
are
working
on
building
a
straw
house
with
vines,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
on
anyone's
radar.
I
A
I
Approached
isaac
because
it
appeared
that
he
may
be
planning
on
demolishing
three
fayette,
so
we
actually
said
if,
if
that's
something
you're
willing
you're
doing
anyway,
can
we
do
it
now
and
use
the
green
space
for
the
straw
house
construction?
So
that's
that's
our
immediate!
That
would
be.
The
immediate
use
was
just
to
use
the
green
space
lot
to
assist.
E
In
building
that's
good
sean
I
have
to
interject
for
a
moment.
I
believe
I
have
a
conflict
of
interest
as
I
purchased
my
home,
my
primary
residence
from
mr
anzaroo,
and
although
it's
been
14
15
years,
I
still
talk
to
him.
That's
in
the
interest
of
full
disclosure.
A
Fine,
I
understand
that
that
makes
sense
john
and
that
thank
you
for
disclosing
that
on
the
record,
and
I
I
don't
think,
there's
an
issue
with
you
recusing
yourself.
The
only
thing
I
would
ask
christina
is:
if,
if
vines
is
interested
in
acquiring
the
property,
is
there
any
way
that
they
could?
You
know,
provide
plans
or
guidance
as
to
what
they're
specifically
going
to
use
that
space
for
because
I
think
that
would
be
really
helpful.
I
We
on
behalf
of
vines,
I
I
asked
isaac
if
he
would
be
willing
to
sell
it
and
he
said
no,
so
I
don't
think
that
it
comes
into
play
at
this
point.
A
Okay,
yeah,
that
that
seems
to
make
that
would
have
made
sense,
but
I
guess
he's
not
going
to
do
that.
You
know
and
that
I
think,
makes
it
a
little
difficult
for
the
commission,
in
this
case
at
least
from
a
staff
perspective.
Because
then
it
just
sounds
like
you
know:
you're,
essentially
demolishing
a
house.
D
A
Definitive
plans
for
reuse
might
be
a
little
tricky
but
I'll
you
know
I'll.
Let
the
commission
deliberate
on
that.
H
So
who's
who's,
so
the
city
of
binghamton
is
requesting
a
demolition
of.
A
This
property,
no
it's
it
is
not
the
city
of
binghamton.
The
applicant
is
agent
group.
Llc
and
christina
is
acting
as
the
representative.
As
the
you
know,
demo
contractor.
H
But
but
as
you
said
before,
there's
no,
there
didn't
appear
to
be
any
structural
hues
related
to
the
house
and
then
the
the
image
that
you
showed
on
the
interior
part
of
the
house
is
that
it's
all
gutted.
So.
I
I
But-
and
there
was
a
fire-
I
don't
know
if
that
showed
up
in
your
research,
it's
the
damage,
I
don't
know.
I
saw
the
damage
when
I
walked
in
it's
in
the
in
the
roof
about
directly
up
from
where
that
photo
is
taken.
I
believe.
A
B
Sean
when
you
mention
to
be
sensitive
to
the
history
and
the
neighborhood,
and
that
type
of
thing
I'm
trying
to
get
some
guidance
as
to
what
our
options
may
be.
Regarding
that
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
experimental
significance
of
the
structure
or
the
building-
and
I
guess
that
involves
a
neighborhood,
but
it's
either
in
my
mind,
simplistically,
it's
either
we
say
no
and
it
needs
to
be
restored
to
some
degree
or
we
say
yes
and
it
comes
down
right.
I.
A
Think
it
yeah,
I
mean
essentially
yes
and
that's
why
I
I
thought
in
this
case
it
was
important
to
call
out
the
affiliation
of
this
property
with
with
the
legacy
of
urban
renewal
in
the
neighborhood.
But
you
know
you
are
tasked
with.
A
Essentially
you
know
you're
the
you're,
the
only
say
as
to
whether
or
not
you
know
this
property
is
approved
for
demo
or
not,
and
you
do
have
criteria
for
making
that
determination,
and
I
think
you
you
just
need
to
be
sensitive
to
to
the
legacy
and
history
there
and
making
sure
that
you
you're.
You
have
enough
information
to
make
the
determination.
B
Can
you
pull,
can
you
pull
up
the
three
criteria
that
we
looking
at?
I
just
want
to
have
everybody
aware
of
that's
what
we're
basing
our
opinion
on.
H
A
Yeah,
if
the
house
like
gives
us
is
like,
has
a
a
degree
of
affiliation,
I
wouldn't
say
that
it's
particularly
like
that
that
it
itself
is
particularly
you
know.
Representative,
I
mean
it
does.
Was
it
a
home
to
a
you
know
an
african-american
family
in
the
mid-20th
century?
Is
you
know
the
the
history
of
african-american
heritage,
important
to
that
area
of
the
city?
A
Yes,
and
is
that
important
in
the
narrative
of
urban
renewal
within
the
neighborhood?
Yes,
is
this
house?
You
know
the
only
structure
associated
with
that
legacy?
No,
and
might
there
be
better
representatives
of
of
that
likely?
I
can't
say
for
sure,
since
I'm
just
looking
at
this,
but
I
would
say
that
it
it's
likely
that
it
is
not
the
only
home,
but
what
I'm
my
point
is
is
that
they
are
disappearing
right.
A
We
are
slowly
but
surely
losing
the
resources
that
are
associated
with
with
with
that
history
in
the
city
and
that's
why
I
want
the
commission
to
be
very
considerate
of
that
as
we
move
forward,
because
we
see
a
lot
of
communities
across
the
country
right
now.
A
You
know
basically
struggling
with
with
with
that
issue
too,
and
so
now
we're
seeing
we're
seeing
the
same
thing
in
binghamton,
and
I
you
know
any
decision
that
the
commission
makes
should
be
very
clear
and
based
on
obviously
the
criteria,
but
sometimes
our
criteria
doesn't
quite
touch
on.
You
know
some
of
these
more
nuanced
aspects
of
history,
and
I
think
you
know
times
are
changing
to
a
certain
extent,
and
so
I
want.
I
want
the
commission
to
be
considerate
of
that.
B
B
A
I
don't
know
if
we
know
that
right
now,
but
I
you
know,
I
think,
to
the
to
your
decision
making.
I
think
whatever
you
do
or
move
towards
with
your
determination
should
really
be
based
on
every
piece
of
information
you
you
can
obtain.
H
Isn't
it
a
criteria
if,
if
an
owner
decides
to
demolish
a
property
that
there's
a
plan
in
place
to
understanding
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future.
A
Yes,
yes,
it's
one
of
your
with
compatibility,
it's
one
of
the
guidelines,
so
it's
not
a
requirement,
but
it
is
one
of
the
guidelines
that
you
you
utilize
and
it
basically
calls
for
you
not
demolishing
you
know
a
property
or
issuing
a
determination
of
no
historical
significance
for
for
demolition,
for
a
property
without
definitive
plans
for
reuse
right.
So
it's
right
here
I'll
highlight
it.
A
I
Yep
we
can
thank
olvid
for
that
yeah.
I
Yeah,
they
were
ready
to
break
ground
a
year
ago
and
they
took
a
step
back
and
awesome,
we're
very,
very
close
to
deciding
to
proceed
at
this
point,
but
with
the
spike
and
material
costs,
it's
let's
put
them
back
on
their
heels,
a
little
bit
with
their
final
plan.
I
We've
been
meeting
every
week
since
january,
hammering
out
the
plan,
it's
difficult
with
with
the
material
costs
and
them
being
a
volunteer
organization
and
donor
funded.
So
it's
that's.
Okay,.
B
All
right
so,
just
to
add
to
the
conversation,
I
guess
I'm
a
little
thinking
that
we
don't
know
what
the
plans
are
for
this
particular
lot
and
we
also
don't
know
how
many
lots
the
developer
currently
owns
and
what
the
overall
plan
may
be,
and
maybe
they
don't
either.
But
I
guess
one
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
we're
standing
in
the
gateway
to
a
domino
effect
of
these
buildings
coming
down
and
some
consideration
as
sean
is
saying
to
the
past
community.
B
We
should
take
a
step
back
and
maybe
think
about,
I'm
not
sure
we're
ready
to
make
a
decision
now
and
what
I'm
hearing
from
christine
is.
It
may
not
affect
the
current
progress
on
her
project,
so
I
guess
that's
another
consideration.
The
board
should
think
about
and
I'm
interested
in
what
everybody
else
has
to
say.
I
Be
able
to
make
this
easy,
I
usually
don't
like
it
when
cod
stuff
is
tabled
because
it
it
hurts
our
projects,
but
in
this
case
I
would
agree.
I
think
that
was
ken
speaking
with
with
vines
being
in
the
balance
right
at
the
moment,
a
delay
of
a
month
wouldn't
negatively
impact
us
at
this
point.
I
H
H
The
honestly
sean
and
ken
this
is
that'll
make,
I
think,
that's
the
right
approach
at
this
this
juncture.
There
needs
to
be
kind
of
a
plan
in
place
on
the
owner's
side
of
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
property.
If
we
do
decide
to
tear
it
down.
H
G
G
B
And
that,
as
we've
done
before,
whether
we
say
you
know
has
us
significant
or
it's
appropriate
or
it's
not
appropriate,
the
criteria
of
which
we
decide
on
is
equally
as
important
going
forward.
So
I
think
we
need
a
little
bit
of
time
to
think
about
what
that
criteria
may
be
either
a
you
know,
a
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
or
not,
because
that's
going
to
guard
the
door
for
future
building
demolition
in
that
area,
possibly
right.
B
So,
okay,
so
I
make
a
motion
that
this
application
be
tabled
at
this
meeting.
B
All
in
favor
aye,
aye,
aye,
okay,
we
had
one
abstention,
which
was
john
darrow.
No,
no
nays,
okay
motion
passed.
Thank
you.
Christian
information.
I
Thank
you.
Can
I
answer
one
more
question:
will
we
be
aiming
to
put
this
on
next
month
because
I
think
yeah.
A
It
will
automatically
be
placed
christina,
like
it
will
automatically
be
placed,
and
as
long
as
you
know,
if
there's
additional
information
you
have
about
the
future
reuse,
if
you're
able
to
provide
interior
photographs
I'll
just
update
the
the
commission
with
that.
As
as
we
go.
B
Right,
so
it's
it's,
it's
a
two-part
thing,
so
additional
photographs
on
the
inside,
I
think,
will
be
beneficial
and
helpful,
and
then
you
know,
as
maybe
as
difficult
as
this
may
be,
what
what
are
the
plans?
What
is
mr
answered
plans
going
forward
and
you
know
how
many
other
buildings
or
houses
does
he
have
in
the
area,
and
maybe
you
know
he's
not
prepared
to
divulge
that,
but
that
reuse
is
is
important
for
us
at
this
point.
H
And
I'll
just
point
out
one
more
thing:
the
structural
integrity
of
the
house,
I
think,
is
important.
If
it's
structurally
sound
or
not,
I
think
we
would
need
to
understand
that
yep.
That's.
A
Other
you
have
other
items
of
other
business.
Thanks
christina
we
have
two
other
items
of
other
business
that
I
just
want
to
quickly
touch
upon,
because
there
are
two
things
so
one
one
property.
The
commission
had
sort
of
asked
a
couple
months
ago
and
john.
I
think
you
were
pretty
vocal
about
this,
but
you
were
interested
in
potential
landmarks
and
the
commission
hasn't
been
particularly
active.
You
know,
covid,
I'm
sure,
didn't
help
with
that.
A
You
know,
but
even
previously
it's
been
a
while,
since
the
commission
has
had
any
application
for
a
landmark
determination-
and
you
know
I
sort
of
keep
a
list
of
properties
on
the
side
that
come
up
as
as
I
go
that
could
potentially
meet
the
criteria
for
landmark
designation
and
you
know
I
don't
try
to
push
local
landmarking
to
to
any
extent.
A
But
since
the
the
question
came
up
from
john
and
there's
a
property
that
is
slightly
threatened
because
it's
it's
vacant,
it
is
up
for
foreclosure,
it's
in
the
foreclosure
process
with
through
the
city
and
the
county,
and
it
does
have
historic
significance
and
there
is
community
interest
in
its
protection.
A
I
thought
I
would
bring
it
up
and
that's
32
north
street.
It
has
both.
Let
me
let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
up
an
image
of
it
so
that
everybody
is
familiar
hold
on
one.
Second,
I
haven't
even
gone
out
to
take
photographs
of
it
myself
yet,
but.
A
A
So
it
is
in
excellent
condition
from
the
exterior
I
know
from
our
vacant
property
officer
that
the
interior
condition
is
decent
as
well
and
it
is
the
associated
with
israel.
Tedeo
deo
family
has
a
lot
of
significance
to
this
area,
his
farming
farm
production,
but
also
he
was
associated.
He
became
a
prominent
politician
within
new
york
state
and
also
was
associated
again
with
the
servant.
Larabee
carriage
company,
the
deo
family
became
partners
later
on,
and
so
it
does
seem
like
it.
A
It
would
have
significance,
and
so
I
wanted
to
bring
it
up
to
the
commission
if,
if
the
commission
was
interested
in
pursuing
a
determination
of
historical
significance
with
this
property,
so.
E
Speaking
for
myself-
yes,
I
would
be.
I
don't
know
how
many
are
familiar
with
the
house.
I
live
probably
less
than
10
blocks
away
going
back
about
30
years,
40
years
the
house
was
in
pretty
deteriorated,
condition
new
owner
came
in
restored,
the
exterior
restored,
the
fence.
Did
the
beautiful
driveway
the
brick
pillars.
E
I
believe
he
sold
the
house
to
probably
the
current
owner
who
who's
losing
it.
They
continued
I've
been
in
the
home,
it
absolutely
beautiful.
They
they
did
a
stellar
job
reason
being
for
their
their
concern
was
they
could
afford
the
property
in
that
neighborhood
and
and
they
really
did
a
great
job,
it's
a
beautiful
piece
of
property,
and
I
would
I
would
certainly
be
supportive
of
a
motion
for
local
landmark
status.
B
So
sean
briefly,
what's
this,
what's
the
steps
involved
with
that
process.
A
So
I
would
so
the
process
would
be
is
that
I
would
essentially
prepare
a
staff
report
for
determination
of
historical
significance
and
then
for
landmark,
designation.
The
commission
would
then
basically
make
a
motion
of
positive
historical
significance.
A
Then
we'd
have
a
separate
meeting
and
we'd
schedule
a
public
hearing
so
that
community
members
could
speak
in
favor
or
against
its
landmark
designation.
A
So
it
would
be
a
two
meeting
process,
the
second
being
a
public
hearing
and
then
at
that
you
would
make
a
recommend
you'd
be
making
a
recommendation
to
city
council
that
it
be
designated
as
a
local
landmark
and
before
it
went
to
city
council.
The
planning
commission
would
have
an
opportunity
to
either
agree
with
your
recommendation
or
not.
C
B
Do
you
need
owner's
consent.
A
E
A
A
B
A
E
A
It
if
it
is
of
interest,
I
would
just
ask
that
you
know
the
commission.
You
know,
which
is
formally
request
staff
to
prepare
a
a
presentation
for
historical
significance
for
landmark,
designation.
B
I
just
wonder
in
sean:
is
there
a
list
of?
Is
there
any?
You
know
pros
and
cons
regarding
having
a
landmark
designation.
B
A
I
mean
for
the
most
part,
it's
positive,
what
it
would
do
it
it
well,
it
does
a
couple
of
things.
The
first
is
that
it
would
bring
this
property
under
your
jurisdiction
for
exterior
review
for
alterations,
and
then
it
would
also
open
the
door
with
landmark
designation.
A
property
owner
could
seek
the
local
property.
I
think
it's
444
historic
property
tax
abatement
program,
and
so
that
would
be
an
option,
but
there
would
be
you
know
a
degree
of
of
control
given
to
you
over
the
property.
A
If,
if
they,
you
know
a
future
owner
wanted
to
make
exterior
alterations.
B
A
B
B
E
So
I
look
on
local
landmark
status
is
a
huge
win-win
for
both
the
community
and
for
the
individual
owners,
and
also
it
makes
it
extraordinarily
difficult
to
tear
the
property
down
barring
a
fire
or
something
exceptional
happening
just
because
it
has
local
landmark
status
and
then
it's
much
easier.
Should
they
look
for
state
or
national
recognition.
E
It's
it's
a
nice
thing,
so
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
to
request
staff
to
prepare
all
necessary
documentation
to
move
forward
with
the
recognition
of
is
it
32
north
street
sean
correct,
32
north
street
to
designate
it
as
a
local
landmark
status,
property
in
the
city
of
binghamton,
new
york,
I'll
second,.
A
All
right
and
then
the
last
item
of
business
is
also
exciting
on
the
history
side
of
things,
so
I
think
I've
told
the
commission
a
few
times
we
received
a
grant
from
the
preservation
lease
of
new
york
state
to
develop
a
national
register
nomination
form
for
our
eligible
main
street
historic
district.
G
A
That
draft
process,
and
so
a
draft
form
has
been
prepared
and
in
working
with
the
state
and
other
offices
at
the
city,
we
will
be
moving
forward
over
the
next
three
months.
Yes,
three
months,
I
can't
believe
it's
june
already,
but
we
will
be
moving
forward
over
the
next
three
months
to
essentially
have
this
district
listed
on
the
national
register
and
state
register
of
historic
places,
and
so
as
part
of
as
a
certified
local
government
and
the
city
of
binghamton
has
the
distinct
privilege.
A
I
guess
in
this
case
of
the
commission,
reviewing
that
nomination
form
and
either
supporting
it
or
making
recommendations
for
for
changes
and
and
not
supporting
it.
It
is.
It
falls
to
both
the
commission
at
one
point
in
the
process
between
the
commission
and
the
and
the
mayor
and
both
voice,
either
support
or
lack
thereof,
as
this
nomination
proceeds,
and
so
you
will
have
the
opportunity
at
the
july
meeting.
A
I
will
send
out
the
draft
nomination
form
at
the
july
for
july
and
you
can
make
a
motion
either
in
favor
or
against,
and
if
that's
just
part
of
the
the
clg
privileges
in
the
national
register
nomination
process,
it
will
go,
we
will
be
having
what
is
likely
going
to
be
two
meetings.
The
first
will
be
a
public
meeting
and
then
the
the
this
well
actually
both
will
be
public
meetings.
I'm
sorry,
but
we'll
have
two
public
meetings
for
this.
A
You
know
for
the
community
to
voice
their
opinions
on
the
on
the
district,
and
then
it
will
hopefully
move
forward
to
the
state
review
board
at
their
september
meeting
and
we're
on
track
for
that
right
now.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
the
commission
an
update
and
a
heads
up
on
it.
We've
got
a
new
historic
district
coming
through.
A
It
will
not
be
subject
to
your
review
because
it's
just
national
register,
but
hopefully
with
the
recent
increase
to
the
state
historic
tax
credit
for
small
projects
that
those
being
under
two
and
a
half
million
dollars.
The
tax
credit
has
bumped
up
to
30.
A
A
So
hopefully
that
incentivizes
more
projects,
more
tax,
credit
projects
in
binghamton-
and
I
think
the
main
street
district
will
benefit
through
that
as
well,
because
a
lot
of
those
projects
will
probably
fall
under
that
2.5
million
dollar
threshold,
and
so
the
50
you
know
up
to
50
percent
becomes
a
lot
more
attractive
than
just
the
40.
H
So
hey
sean
you
had
mentioned
the
july
meeting,
I'm
assuming
july
meeting
would
be
july
6th.