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A
B
B
Attempting
to
call
in
please
call
to
speak
about
any
of
the
applications
on
today's
agenda.
Please
call
the
planning
department
at
607-772-7028.
B
We're
allowing
commenters
to
speak
in
the
order
that
calls
are
received,
unfortunately,
calls
can't
be
queued.
So
if
you
get
a
busy
signal,
please
just
wait
a
minute
and
then
retry
your
call.
A
E
A
A
Okay,
john
darrow,
acting
in
term
president
next.
A
B
B
If
and
joe,
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
here,
because
I
believe
we've
got
joe
from
matzo
signs
on,
because
that
this
is
depicting
sort
of
a
monochromatic
emc
sign,
whereas
the
the
new
sign
will
be
polychromatic.
If
my
understanding
is
correct
right,
just.
B
Okay,
so
this
will
be,
you
know
essentially
color
capable.
This
application
also
has
to
go
before
the
zoning
board
of
appeals,
because
it
is
an
emc
sign
so
that
application
process
is
sort
of
pending.
They
have
not
been
before
the
the
zba
at
this
point,
but
are
looking
for
cod
review
in
terms
of
the
design
of
the
sign.
A
Okay,
so
is,
are
the
dimensions
of
the
sign
going
to
be
the
same
as
what
is
presented
to
us.
A
Okay,
is
this
sign
consistent
with
what
we've
been
doing?
The
proposed
sign
consistent,
what
we've
been
doing
in
the
past
on.
B
In
general,
it's
consistent
with
some
of
the
other
electronic
messaging
signs
that
have
been
approved
along
main
street,
but
my
one
comment
on
this
would
be.
I
I
think
that
some
of
the
other
signs
that
have
been
installed
recently
are
a
little
bit
more
sympathetic
to
the
the
buildings
that
they're
being
placed
in
front
of,
whereas
the
sign
like
style,
wise
and
design
wise
doesn't
really
relate
that.
Well,
I
would
say,
but
yeah
there
we
go.
Cod
has
approved
emc
signs
or
just
internally.
A
Revised
proposed
sign
is
there
a
great
difference
from
what
we're
seeing
american
legion
post,
80
logo,
binghamton
new
york
and
then
the
lower
rotating
imagery.
F
A
My
only
piece
of
input
at
this
time
would
be
where
the
post
of
the
sign
is
presented
are
blue,
which
has
absolutely
no
bearing
on
the
building.
I
mean
you
have
a
beautiful
brick
building
with
yellow
trim.
Perhaps
the
post
could
be
yellow
to
reflect
some
of
the
architectural
style
of
the
building,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
the
sign
any
of
the
other
commissioners.
E
B
D
B
So
the
internally
illuminated
cabinet
is
essentially
blue,
with
the
yellow
sign
face
and
blue
post
and
then
there's
this
black
sort
of
mount
above
it
is
that
that's
remaining
correct.
F
If
that's
something
that
the
commission
would
like
to
say,
I
have
no
problems
with
that
being.
F
F
That
existing
structure
is
going
to
stay.
The
reason
that
we
are
putting
the
larger
the
posts
aren't
being
any
larger.
It's
just
the
aluminum
post
cover
you
need
to
kind
of
mask
the
mounting
for
the
the
new
led
board,
that
user.
E
F
A
Wonderful,
okay,
I'm
going
to
speak
my
my
mind
here
for
a
minute,
then
maybe
seek
a
motion.
I
I
like
the
sign
is,
is
presented.
I
would
like
to
see
the
clock
maintained
on
the
sign,
which
is
pre-existing
and
in
a
working
fashion.
I
don't
want
just
some
hulk
sitting
there.
I
want
the
clock
to
be
working.
A
A
A
B
Thanks
thanks
joe
all
right,
oh
and
joe,
just
for
the
record.
What
is
your
last
name.
B
Got
it
okay,
got
it
all
right
and
now
moving
on
to
the
second
application
again
applicant
in
this
case
is
not
so
signs
this
time.
The
property
in
question
is
33
south
washington.
This
is
all
part
of
that
that
large
parcel
at
31
south
washington.
The
building
that
we're
looking
at
today
street
address
is
41
south
washington.
B
Recently,
looked
at
this
property
for
the
installation
of
a
hanging
sign
above
the
southern
storefront
display
at
41
south
washington.
Now
this
is
the
northern
storefront
display
that
is
in
question
today.
B
The
applicant
is
seeking
to
install
a
new
sign
which
will
be
positioned
above
the
building's
northern
commercial
store
front
display
windows,
and
it's
going
to
consist
of
halo,
lit
channel
letters
which
are
going
to
be
printed
on
a
panel
with
a
background
of
digitally
printed
brick.
This
is
the
first
time
that
the
commission
has
sort
of
seen
an
application
with
like
the
digitally
printed
brick
appearing
as
the
background
for
halo
lit
channel
letters.
B
You
have
approved
halo,
lit
channel
letters
previously
for
other
signs,
downtown
sort
of
that
the
lettering
with
the
backlighting,
but
this
is
the
first
time
it's
ever
been.
I
had
the
background
panel
being
digitally
printed,
brick.
I
would
I'm
sort
of
from
a
staff
perspective,
because
the
commission
has
not
seen
that
previously.
B
I
think
the
closest
thing
that
that
the
commission
has
recently
seen
with
sort
of
like
a
digitally
printed
brick
is
what
was
approved
at
the
kilmer
mansion
recently.
So
if
the
commissioners
have
taken
a
look
at
those
signs,
that
probably
would
give
you
a
good
idea
of
what
that
that
looks
like,
as
both
of
those
signs
have
been
installed.
B
I
don't
know
how
that
would
appear
with
halolit
channel
letters
and
I'll
go
to
the
presentation
here.
I
think
the
commission
should
potentially
consider
the
impact
of
whether
or
not
the
digitally
printed
brick
will
appear
similar
or
substantially
similar
to
the
existing
brick,
how
noticeable
it
will
be,
and
if
it's
better
to
just
be
separate
and
distinct
and
maybe
have
a
different
background
panel,
like
we've
seen
in
some
of
the
sign
applications
that
are
are
similar
to
this
one.
D
Yeah,
when
I
saw
that
that
was
one
of
my
initial
concerns
is
the
kilmer
example
is
farther
offset
from
the
building.
I
don't
know
how
it
would
look
right
on
the
face
of
the
building
and
then
my
second
concern
would
be
you
know.
What's
the
I
guess,
will
it
will
the
light
bleed
through
the
printed
part
or
or
will
that
look
lighter
than
the
face
of
the
brick
your
standard,
brick
at
night
time
when
it's
lit.
A
We
have
a
pre-existing
sign
on
the
southern
end
of
the
building
hanging.
Sign
that
we
approve.
Don't
we
yes,
yep
okay
is.
Is
there
some
consistency
here
with
allowing
the
different
type
of
signs
on
this
type
of
property,
or
should
we
be
looking
at
the
same
type
of
signage
to
remain
consistent
and
aesthetically?
Pleasing.
D
E
F
C
F
F
D
D
D
F
Their
desired
version,
but
they
had
seen
versions,
white
and
black,
because
I
had
expressed
concern
that
the
board
may
not
want
to
take
a
chance
to
do
a
digital
prank.
On
this.
F
A
F
Elmer,
I
haven't
been
seeing
that
one
myself,
but
this
would
be
a
photograph
taken
of
the
brick,
the
exact
spot.
I
would
have
a
matte
finish
on
it,
so
it's
not
like
it's
gonna,
be
glossy
prints
and
really
shiny,
but
it
will
be
noticeable
if
you
really
look
at
it.
F
D
Will
the
like
the
with
the
side
of
the
side
faces
be
patterned
as
well
with
the
brick
or
just
the
front
face.
D
And
I
mean:
do
you
line
up
the
the
coursing.
F
F
Apparently
the
contractor
or
the
owner
of
the
building
brought
prichard
is
going
to
be
cleaning
the
bricks
from
my
understanding.
F
D
Yeah
I
mean
not
to
dominate
here,
but
my
preference
would
be.
You
wouldn't
normally
see
brick
flooding
out
from
a
building
like
that
anyways
and
since
you're
dealing
with
a
foe
sign
and
then
you
kind
of
you
have
a
foe,
beat
you
I'd
rather
be
something
distinct.
That
would
be
like
a
solid
color
that
maybe
reflects
even
just
the
style
of
the
storefront.
More.
That's
that's
my
opinion.
E
And
right
now,
with
the
brick,
not
even
clean
in
that
bottom
picture
I
mean
it
just
looks,
doesn't
look
right
right
now,
but
once
the
brick
is
cleaned
it
might,
I
don't
know
but
you're
right
it
shouldn't.
Brick,
doesn't
usually
stick
out
and
there's
no
frame
around
the
side
or
anything
like
that.
F
No,
no,
it
would
just
be
an
aluminum
panel
that
would
have
a
three
inch
step
to
it
that
just
just
bent
back
and
welded
and
then
covered
with
the
digital
grip.
F
The
frame
would
be
inside.
You
know
hidden
in
there,
so
you
wouldn't
see
any
of
the
fasteners.
F
The
3m
vinyl
gives,
with
the
uv
laminate
that
has
a
10-year
life
expectancy.
We've
had
3m
vinyl
that
we've
been
printing
since
2010
at
this
point,
and
there
are
some
that
are
out
there
that
are
still
holding
up
some.
A
A
D
I
mean
I'd,
be
willing
to
make
a
motion
to
approve.
Just
with
that.
You
know
color
that
reflects
the
storefront
or
is
that
something
we
need.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
that's.
That
is
a
pretty
substantial
change,
so
I
think,
having
that
presented
before
the
commission
would
be,
it
would
be
a
good
idea.
D
D
D
A
F
A
Is
a
free
hanging
sign
like
the
south
side
of
the
building,
unacceptable
to
the
client.
F
A
Sean
is
there
another
example
of
the
the
brick
facade
sign
in
town
that
we
could
take
a
peek
at
or
something.
A
B
Yeah
so
where
you
had
woolworths,
which
then
was
family
dollar
there,
the
grove,
which
is
the
former
bank
building,
also
has
the
backlit
letters.
Those
are
set
against
the
facade
directly,
there's
no
panel
behind
them,
so
you've
got
across
the
street
like
muckles
has
the
has
a
panel
behind
it,
whereas
the
grove
does
not
have
the
panel
behind
it.
So
if
you
wanted
to
sort
of
compare
what
the
two
things
look
like,
that
would
be
a
good
place
to
look.
E
A
A
D
F
A
Totally,
I
would
have
checked
to
the
brick
paneling,
but
I
would
kind
of
really
like
to
see
it
before
I
make
a
an
opinion
one
way
or
the
other.
I
feel
like
I'm
shooting
a
little
blind.
You
don't
have
a
mock-up
of
the
of
the
brick
vinyl.
Do
you.
F
A
Yeah,
I
I
think
that
would
help
me
a
lot,
I'm
not
speaking
for
anybody
else
in
the
commission.
I
would
be
very
comfortable
with
that
and
then
maybe
we
could
just
do
a
special
session
to
approve
or
disapprove
or
something
you
know,
I'm
pretty
free
this
month,
I'm
speaking
for
myself.
No
one
else.
A
E
B
A
If
this
thing
is
beautiful
and
aesthetically
pleasing
we're
going
to
support
it,
I
believe
and-
and
it
would
give
us
a
nice
step
forward
and
if,
for
some
reason
it
doesn't
look
good
we're
going
to
save
ourselves
huge
steps
backwards,
going
forward.
E
A
Yeah,
could
I
make
a
motion
to
table
this
pendant
pending
a
submission
of
the
brick-faced
vinyl
for
the
commission's
approval.
F
I
understand
I
will
get
you
a
sample
of
this
and
I'll
also
submit
versions
with
a
black
background
and
a
gray
background.
Just
so
you
have
those
to
see
as
well.
If
the
brick
is
not.
F
A
Okay,
any
other
business.
Any
questions
comments
folks,.
A
Tell
ken
we
missed
them
me,
especially,
and
I
guess
I
call
make
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
cod
commission
meeting
of
july
5th
2022.