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From YouTube: City Council Work Session 2023.01.23
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0:00:40 Call to Order
0:03:40 RL23-12 – RL23-15
0:06:00 RL23-24
0:11:00 RL23-16
0:13:10 RL23-18
0:14:00 RL23-19, 20 & 22
0:28:50 RL23-17
0:38:00 RL23-23, 25 & 26
0:49:50 RL23-27
0:00:00 RL23-21
1:07:20 RL23-21
1:07:45 Pending Legislation
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B
B
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B
Okay,
thank
you.
We
will.
We
are
going
to
be
going
to
the
second
time
margin
of
the
Napa
folks
because
of
weather
and
Trenton
technical
trying
to
get
us
set
up.
We're
going
to
defer
that
conversation
until
Monday
February
6th
they're,
going
to
they're
going
to
try
to
come
is
Chuck
still
in
here,
they're
going
to
try
to
come
personally
but
with
the
weather
and
things
like
that.
B
D
Thank
you
council.
President
I
know
it
was
on
the
agenda,
but
last
time
I
also
talked
about
the
other
pressing
issues
that
were
related
to
the
Napa
contract.
That
we
mentioned
would
have
to
go
or
require
an
executive
session.
Is
that
being
scheduled
as
well?
For
the
in-depth
discussion
about
the
emails
we
received?
Well,
that
happened
prior
to
them
coming
because
there's
a
lot
of
information.
We
need
to
know
related
to
the
contractual
agreement.
D
B
B
E
E
E
E
B
G
The
funding
for
both
increases
is
coming
from
on
spent
funds
year
to
date
due
to
vacancies
for
the
city.
Engineer
position
we're
looking
to
increase
that
salary
to
reflect
some
additional
responsibilities
that
are
being
shifted
to
that
role
and
we're
also
starting
to
think
about
a
secession
plan
for
our
current
city
engineer
and
what
it
will
take
to
recruit
a
PE
once
Mr
role,
Mr
Mr
late,
eventually
retires
in
that
role
becomes
vacant.
G
The
salary
for
the
superintendent
of
city
streets
is
increasing
to
56
000,
that's
listed
as
an
increase,
but
in
reality
the
salary
last
year
for
that
position
paid
sixty
four
thousand
dollars
and
had
increase
in
recent
years
as
we
added
responsibility
to
that
role.
But
when
the
superintendent
left,
he
brought
the
salary
back
down
to
what
it
had
been
previously.
So
now
we're
looking
at
just
a
four
thousand
dollar
increase
for
that
superintendent
of
city
streets
position.
G
D
D
D
G
You
know
I'm
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
I
know
that
the
reason
for
it
is
because
we're
moving
some
additional
job
duties
to
the
position,
primarily
it's
some
of
the
job
duties
involving
our
pavement
operation,
some
of
those
duties
that
had
been
the
responsibility
of
the
superintendent
of
city
streets,
mostly
record
keeping
and
reimbursement
of
our
federal
dollars.
For
that
program,
that's
being
moved
under
the
engineering
department
and
will
follow
the
city
engineer.
So
this
salary
increase
reflects
the
additional
job
duties.
D
D
G
D
D
D
J
A
K
K
Laura
we're
asking
out
the
historic
preservation:
planner
neighborhood
plan
a
position
added
back
into
the
budget.
This
is
the
entry
level
position.
We
have
a
historic
preservation
planner
to
position
on
the
budget
now
and
we're
going
to
be
defunding
that
and
moving
the
salary
into
the
plan
of
position,
one
for
our
new
hire.
K
D
K
B
B
L
B
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B
L
B
J
M
It's
a
resolution
authorizing
the
sale
of
180
to
186
Henry,
Street,
77,
Pine,
Street
and
162
Henry
Street
to
Kearney
Realty
and
Development
Group.
This
was
announced
a
number
of
months
ago.
I
have
the
press
release
here.
It
was
August
30th
that
Ken
Carney's
group
will
be
moving
forward
with
the
project
at
the
in
the
stadium
District,
the
stadium
Lofts
project.
This
is
just
authorizing
the
sale
of
those
vacant,
city-owned
properties
to
him.
For
the
purposes
of
this
development.
D
M
It's
mostly
to
incentivize
the
development
to
happen.
This
is
a
mixed
income
partially
affordable
housing
development
that
we
would
really
like
to
see
in
this
area.
So
the
rationale
is
just
to
incentivize
that
economic
Community
Development
in
the
stadium
District.
These
were
identified
as
priority
Parcels
in
the
stadium
District
Master
Plan,
I
Jubilee.
M
This
is
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
2023
budget
to
allocate
arpa
dollars
to
support
the
sighting
of
a
multi-craft
apprenticeship,
preparation,
program,
Workforce
and
training
location.
The
amount
is
275
000
and
those
are
funds
that
will
go
directly
to
the
acquisition
of
a
property
for
the
purposes
of
what
is
known
as
map.
That's
the
multi-craft
apprenticeship
preparation
program
acronym,
so
we
announced
this
today.
My
office
and
the
mayor's
office
have
been
in
conversations
with
map
for
a
number
of
months.
M
They
currently
have
two
successful
locations,
one
in
Rochester,
which
is
the
original
location
and
the
second
location
in
Albany.
They
perceived
multiple
Statewide
awards
for
funding
for
what
they
do,
essentially
looking
at
underemployed
and
unemployed
communities,
and
trying
to
provide
a
pathway
into
the
middle
class
through
entering
the
trades.
It's
a
very,
very
in-demand
field,
I'm
sure,
we've
all
heard
contractors
and
other
employers
looking
for
these
trades
folks-
and
this
gives
an
opportunity
for
specifically
underrepresented
people
to
enter
the
trades.
Workforce
has
had
great
success.
M
D
M
Land
and
the
existing
building,
so
the
first
class
of
participants
in
the
map
program,
will
actually
be
doing
the
build
out
of
the
facility,
essentially
a
vanilla
box
right
now
it
was
primarily
used
for
storage
and
warehousing.
So
it's
really
blank
on
the
inside.
It
becomes
a
blank
slate
for
them
to
be
able
to
one
apply
the
skills
they're
learning
in
the
program
to
actually
doing
that,
build
out
and
to
make
it
into
the
home
for
this
program
that
they
would
like
it
to
be
long
term.
Okay,.
M
The
city
is
gaining
a
Workforce
pipeline,
specifically
into
the
trade.
So
if
you're
a
participant
in
maps
programming,
you
get
direct
entry
into
a
trades
Apprentice
program
who
partnered
with
the
building
or
the
Binghamton
Oneonta
to
Building
Trades,
to
develop
that
partnership,
they're,
actually
the
ones
who
introduced
us
to
map
in
the
first
place
and
said
we
are
really
in
need
of
people
in
these
fields.
We
see
this
model
working
in
other
communities.
M
How
can
we
work
to
bring
them
to
Binghamton,
so
we
collectively
identified
a
facility
that
worked
for
this
non-profit,
and
then
we
were
able
to
provide
this
funding
to
cite
them
in
Binghamton,
we'll
continue
to
work
with
them.
Moving
forward
to
develop
the
programming
get
folks
into
that
Workforce
Pipeline
and
ideally,
then
graduate
folks
out
into
the
trades
long
term.
M
M
We
highlighting
so
all
of
them,
but
today
we
talked
a
lot
about
about
pipe
fitters,
but
it
really
depends
on
the
exact
trade
you're
talking
about
so,
for
instance,
if
you're
looking
at
the
apprenticeship
classes
that
are
created,
something
like
I,
don't
want
to
misspeak
but
I
believe
something
like
the
electricians
might
take
30
folks
in
a
class.
Well,
the
pipe
fitters
may
only
take
eight.
M
So
the
real
intent
of
the
program
is
to
math
participants
with
the
trade
that
they're
most
aligned
with
both
both
based
on
their
interests,
maybe
their
natural
inclinations
and
then
also
what's
in
need
in
the
industry.
So
they
could
be
actually
placed
into
open
slots
in
apprenticeships
and
then
move
into
fields
that
are
in
high
demand.
Okay,.
D
D
As
well
and
then,
if
you
have
the
exemplars
the
city
specifically
where
the
maps
were
that
you
used
as
the
the
the
initial
the
initial
review
part
of
the
initial
review
and
how
we
hope
to
proceed
over
the
coming
years,
with
our
residents
being
prior
path
and
then
put
into
these
great
apprenticeships
and
given
jobs,
yeah
and
all
of
that
is
in
the
press-
release
a
lot
of
it's
in
here.
Oh
no,
no
I
think
we.
We
got
an.
M
Email
of
it,
okay,
yeah,
there's
a
lot
of
it's
in
there,
but
if
you
have
any
questions,
we're
happy
to
answer.
Maps
website
also
has
a
lot
of
information
on
their
Albany
and
Rochester
location
and
Kareem
Berry,
who
is
the
executive
director
also
pointed
people
to
Facebook.
Today
he
says:
that's
their
most
active
platform
for
sharing
information
on
the
program.
Perfect.
D
We
definitely
support
the
unions,
the
trades.
We
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
just
want
to
be
certain
for
this
investment.
We
are
prioritized
and
we
look.
We
know
the
numbers
expected
annually,
so
we
can
monitor
it
and
congratulate
you
know:
support
those
Binghamton
residents,
absolutely
that
are
matriculating
through
these
programs.
Yeah.
M
D
D
B
M
Yes,
this
is
an
ordinance
to
amend
the
2023
budget
to
allocate
American
Rescue
plan
at
County,
Arts
Council
on
the
amount
of
ten
thousand
dollars.
So
this
is
just
to
support
Broome
County
art
council's
build
out
of
their
facility
on
State
Street
in
downtown
Binghamton.
They
recently
moved
and
opened.
H
M
G
A
A
D
M
Specifically
the
build
out
so,
for
instance,
they
had
to
put
in
a
new
glass
garage
door
and
I
have
some
of
the
numbers
here
that
was
30
Thirty
One
hundred
dollars,
and
that
was
to
be
in
line
with
the
Cod
requirements
of
the
property.
Given
that
it's
historic
property
they
had
to
put
in
Fire
rated
glass
doors
to
be
in
compliance
with
fire
safety
that
was
7
500.
M
They
had
to
put
in
making
sure
I'm
not
doing
anything,
that's
already
covered
under
something
else.
They
had
wiring
systems
for
their
Wi-Fi.
That
went
a
little
bit
over
their
budget.
I
know
it's
not
on
this
list,
but
they
also
had
security
system
that
they,
oh
that's,
yeah
right
here,
there's
a
fourteen
thousand
dollars
for
the
installation
of
a
security
system.
So
we
are
supporting
some
of
those
costs.
We
are
certainly
not
supporting
all
of
them.
D
M
We've
seen
they've
said
that
they've
already
done
a
number
of
they
did
not
give
me
exact
number,
but
a
large
number
of
sales,
especially
compared
to
the
last
year
and
a
half
or
they
weren't
able
to
generate
revenue
and
just
having
their
presence
on
State
Street
as
an
anchor
Institution
for
our
Deco
district
directly
aligned
with
our
priorities
for
that
area
is
very
important.
They've
also
been
able
to
in
this
move,
hire
a
number
of
folks
I.
M
D
A
K
A
K
H
N
B
N
They
did
all
the
wiring
for
that
project.
They've
done,
you
know,
work
elsewhere.
They
employ
a
lot
of
Union
electricians.
They
have
a
presence
in
Binghamton
on
Washington
Street.
There
are
an
out
of
town
company
owned
by
a
larger
Corporation.
That's
a
publicly
traded
Corporation
with
16
million
shares,
so
they've
met
all
the
requirements
of
doing
quality
electrical
work
in
the
city
of
Binghamton,
except
they
don't
have
anybody
who
owns
25
percent
of
the
company.
N
N
G
J
N
Makes
sense
to
amend
the
charter
to
say
we
no
longer
require
a
corporation
to
have
one
of
the
chief
holding
the
chief
partners
of
the
corporation,
be
the
person
who
gets
the
license
and
gets
the
permit.
We've
opened
this
up
to
say
if
you
have
a
local
shop
and
the
person
acquiring
the
permit
and
the
license
is
a
local
supervisor
and
he
has
proof
of
full-time
employment
and
they're
verified
as
an
employee,
and
they
provide
supervision
on
the
job,
technical
interpretation
of
the
drawings
and
things
like
that.
N
What
we
wrote
into
it
in
the
green
font,
we
we've
added
language.
That
said,
this
doesn't
apply
to
that
one
big
company
that
comes
in
once
and
just
hires
a
ringer
or
pays
somebody
a
few
hundred
bucks
to
get
the
permit
for
them.
This
is
somebody
who's
establishing
a
presence
here.
They
have
an
office,
they
have.
You
know,
equipment
they're,
using
local
Journeymen
to
do
the
work
and
the
dollars
are
staying
in
the
community.
N
N
N
It's
held
at
Pearson
view,
which
is
a
you
know,
monitored
testing
center
up
in
Vestal
and
if
they
can
show
that
they
have
the
skills
and
the
knowledge
required
to
do
quality
electrical
work,
then
we're
fine
with
them
doing
it.
We
just
no
longer
require
them
to
own
a
majority
or
a
large
portion
of
the
company
that
they
work
for.
N
Yeah
yeah
they
we,
they
have
actually
gone
through
a
couple
different
Master
electricians
at
this
point,
so
they
came
in
and
they
hired
a
local
individual
who
who
owned
a
business
and
went
to
go
work
for
them,
and
they
said
this
is
great
you're.
Already
a
master
electrician.
We're
going
to
put
you
on
our
payroll,
which
he
you
know,
proved
that
he
was
not
just
being
bought
for
a
one-time
job,
but
he
actually
did
work
for
them.
N
N
Yeah,
it's
a
tough
one
Angela.
If
you
can
think
of
something
that
you
know
we
went
through
this
with
the
board
of
electrical
examiners.
We
went
through
this
with
Corporation
Council.
We
went
through
it
with
HR
trying
to
see
how
far
we
can
reach
how
much
we
can
ask
for
before
we
start
invading
somebody's.
You
know
right
to
privacy
and
that
that
was
the
answer
we
came
back
with
is
that
they
can
show
pay
stubs
or
a
W-2
showing
that
they're
a
full-time
verified
employee
with
that
company.
So.
D
A
A
N
N
J
A
N
The
board
of
electrical
examiners
reviews
applications
for
licensing
we
meet
once
a
month
and
that's
you
know:
that's
that's
a
group
of
people
who
are
at
different
levels
of
involvement
in
the
industry,
and
so,
if
there's
something
an
application
of
this
nature
that
comes
across
the
desk,
then
everybody
has
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
on
it
and
make
sure
that
the
requirements
have
been
met.
Request
more
information.
If
it's
not
clear,.
B
I
I
23
is
an
RL
to
modify
permanent
ordinance,
22-194
copy,
which
I
emailed
to
you
Friday
evening
with
a
revised
front
page
of
the
RL
in
terms
of
the
transition
of
the
capital
funds
from
the
2022
budget
into
the
new
Enterprise
fund
format
and
the
creation
of
a
reserve,
the
money
for
the
asset
management
plan.
Three
hundred
thousand
dollars
went
into
the
wrong
pot
on
paper
and
it
wasn't
caught
until
the
board
found
out
about
it
kind
of
after
the
fact.
I
So
we're
here
to
ask
that
to
be
undone
and
put
into
the
Reserve
I
just
want
to
point
out
in
2021.
Just
for
some
background
of
why
we
need
an
asset
management
plan.
Why
there's
wear
and
tear
on
the
equipment
of
joint
sewage
treatment
plant?
The
total
Wastewater
flow
into
the
plant
was
6
billion,
672
million
580,
000
gallons
at
8.345
pounds
per
gallon
per
Wastewater,
that's
55.645
billion
pounds
or
27.84
million
tons
of
wear
and
tear
that
goes
through
in
the
course
of
a
year.
I
I
Part
of
our
job
under
the
state
regulation
part
750-2.8,
A2
of
the
Environmental
Conservation.
Six
nycrr
is
to
have
a
proper
infrastructure
maintenance
plan
and
asset
management
program.
We're
in
the
process
of
following
this.
It's
laid
out
in
a
December
2021
guide
that
the
dec
put
out
for
for
wastewater
treatment
plants.
It's
about
the
70
page
booklet,
there's
seven
steps
to
it.
I
The
second
part
of
that
is
a
condition
assessment
and
that's
what
I
I
foresee
is
one
board
member
the
book
of
this
money
that
we're
talking
about
putting
it
to
the
reserve
being
used
for
rather
than
going
into
a
different
project,
so
that
we
have
a
comprehensive,
a
condition
assessment
of
all
the
equipment,
we're
talking
about
hundreds
of
thousands
of
different
systems
and
equipment
and
have
it
scored
so
that
we
know
where
it
is
on
the
totem
pole.
Keep
in
mind
that,
for
example,
with
the
restoration
and
Rehabilitation
that
started
in
2016.
I
I
We
have
to
do
it
systematically
and
it's
not
in
my
view,
it's
not
right
to
the
ratepayers
or
the
owners,
the
municipalities,
the
city
in
the
village,
to
have
it
be
one
of
these
put
your
thumb
up
and
see
which
way
the
wind's
blowing,
but
have
some
very
well
systematized
and
documented
asset
scoring
system
and
condition
assessment,
and
that
will
lead
us
then
to
ranking
under
the
level
of
service
profile
and
scoring
by
criticality
of
function,
and
that
can
feed
the
Capital
Improvement
plan
over
time.
So
that's
that's
what
that's?
I
Like
there's
so
much
relate
to
modifying
the
budget
with
respect
to
female
recoveries,
it's
hard
to
believe
it's
still.
You
know
more
than
11
years
after
the
2011
fund,
we're
still
chasing
money,
but
we
are
and
I'm
hoping
that
everybody
received
the
and
a
year
which
is
actually
as
a
January
5th
report
that
was
sent
out
to
everybody
through
the
city
clerk
and
if
you
didn't
receive
it,
we'll
make
sure
you
get
it
just
so.
I
B
I
So
so
that's
you
know.
That's
all
part
of
this
recovery
process,
then
we're
making
progress.
The
first
23-25
pertains
to
the
cept,
chemically
enhanced
primary
treatment
system
and
the
budget
modifications
that
are
presented
in
this
RL,
which
are
annotated
onto
the
copy
of
the
check
and
also
there's
a
chart,
would
have
a
hundred
and
thirty
two
thousand
eight
hundred
seven
dollars
and
fifty
three
cents
coming
back
to
the
city
and
there's
a
there's
modifications
to
the
revenue
and
to
the
expense
lines,
as
shown.
I
I
Also,
there's
a
final
payment
for
the
primary
treatment
and
solids
that
are
part
of
that
and
I
know.
You
now
have
your
fourth
member
back,
so
the
city's
share
of
this
particular
payment
would
be
588,
417
dollars
and
five
cents.
The
revenue
and
expense
allocations
are
shown
in
the
chart.
On
the
second
page,
the
board
receives
reimbursement
of
155
891.68
for
its
direct
administrative
costs.
Pursuing
this
project
worksheet
and
the
other
money
goes
to
the
Village
in
their
45.2
percent.
Share
the
city
share
54.8.
J
A
B
F
J
D
B
F
O
F
O
It's
my
understanding
that,
based
on
conversations
that
I
was
in
with
the
Attorney
General's
office
that
the
Civil
Rights
folks
would
be
the
ones
that
would
take
this
up
and
that
they
would
not
give
an
opinion
on
whether
or
not
the
officer
in
question
had
broken
the
law.
The
Eric
Gardner
anti-choke
law.
O
O
If
this
was
the
District
Attorney's
office
and
the
one
of
the
Ada's
had
a
personal
relationship
with
the
person
they
were
investigating,
they
would
recuse
themselves.
So
if
we
say
that
we're
going
to
rely
on
the
Attorney,
General
I,
then
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
the
police
chief
would
then
recuse
the
Binghamton
Police
Department
on
making
an
opinion,
and
we
would
wait
for
the
Attorney
General.
D
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
speak
as
well,
so
anyone
that
had
dealt
with
the
attorney
general-
and
this
is
not
the
first
time
there
has
been
discussion
of
the
Attorney
General's
office-
intervening
in
city
of
Binghamton
because
of
things
that
are
going
on,
and
the
possible
connections
through
the
leadership
that
are
either
elected
and
hired
to
run
and
govern
this
city
correct
right.
Some
things
that
have
happened
so
I
say
this.
D
Anyone
that
has
worked
with
the
attorney
general
and
all
of
you
have
the
opportunity
to
call
make
a
a
request
set
up
a
meeting
with
the
new
civil
rights
agency
that
has
been
brought
down
because
of
some
of
the
changes
that
have
occurred
over
time.
You
will
know
that
there
are
various
divisions
within
that
office.
What
we
do
know
is
that
when
the
Attorney
General
intervenes,
if
they
choose
to
do
so,
the
entire
investigation
becomes
locked,
it
becomes
mute.
It
is
not
a
transparent
process.
There
are
no
updates.
D
They
cannot
tell
you
where
they
are
in
the
investigation.
What
it
is
prudent
for
us
to
do
as
council
members
that
are
beholden
or
representing
a
whole
subset
of
the
city
is
give
the
best
evidence
the
best
amount
of
the
best
amount
well
I'm,
not
the
best
amount,
but
be
as
as
forthcoming
as
we
can
with
the
information
we
have,
so
that
people
know
that
this
will
not
happen.
This
should
not
happen
in
this
city,
as
I
stated
in
the
press
conference.
D
D
Now
it
may
not
have
shaken
you
like
it
shook
me,
because
things
like
that
happen
to
people
that
look
like
me
more
so
than
some
of
you.
But
the
point
is
our
people,
our
residents.
Our
constituents
need
to
know
that
we're
actively
doing
something
and
saying
we're
sitting
by
waiting,
not
that
I'm
minimizing
the
effect
or
the
impact
of
the
Attorney
General's
office.
But
we
can
do
something
also,
and
we
cannot
allow
an
entity
to
investigate
themselves,
and
this
is
not
the
first
time
that
it
has
happened
in
the
city.
D
There
have
been
other
instances
where
we
powered
external
Council
we've
hired
external
agencies
to
investigate
it's
been
done
before.
So
why
not
consider
it
here
so
that
we
again
protect
the
interest
and
the
value?
The
pursuit,
the
perception,
the
the
the
we
want
to
help
our
residents
feel
secure,
and
this
is
one
step
in
the
right
direction.
F
D
D
F
Look
at
this
to
me
is
the
alternative.
General
so
I
will
not
support,
hire
somebody
another
person,
another
Law
Firm
outside
look
at
it
until
the
Attorney
General's
done
and
I
may
not
do
it,
then,
because
they
will,
they
will
do
their
due
diligence.
I
have
100
trust
in
them
to
do
it
right
and
come
down
with
the
right
decision.
So
I
will
not
support
this
RL.
So
it's
hire
an
outside
firm
to
look
at
this
more
I
think
it's
just
who's
better!
Look
at
the
Attorney
General!
No
one
now.
D
D
D
B
F
My
understanding,
I
would
I
would
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
mayor,
but
I
I
assume
the
mayor's
waiting
to
see
if
there's
another
video
that
he
hasn't
seen
that
somebody-
maybe
he
has
maybe
doesn't
have
so
I
assume.
That's
why
there's
no
determination
yet
I
I'm
not
going
to
speak
for
the
mayor,
but
I'm
assuming
that's
what's
going
on
there
and
maybe
Brian
has
more
information.
I,
don't
know.
F
I
I
don't
need
to
ask
the
mayor
that
I'm
not
going
to
support
another
outside
firm
investigating
this
incident,
while
the
Attorney
General's
involved,
because
there's
no
better
set
of
eyes
to
look
at
this
thing
to
me
than
the
Attorney
General.
So
why
would
we?
Why
would
I
entertain
hiring
somebody
else?
Look
at
this.
It
makes
zero
sense
to
me.
B
My
concern
is
preempting,
the
attorney
general.
Do
they
have?
What
would
this
firm
have
authority?
I
mean
I
I,
don't
understand
that
part
of
it
I'm
not
saying
that
having
it
feels
like
the
I
think.
The
idea
of
it
is
not
not
a
bad
one,
but
I
think
the
Attorney
General
should
fill
that
role,
at
least
until
we
determine
something
else.
So
how
would
the?
B
How
would
a
third
another
party
have
any
authority
over
and
above
the
Attorney
General
of
the
state
of
New,
York
I,
don't
know
if
that's
I,
don't
know
that
Brian
began,
but
I
don't
think
they
do,
and
how
would
we
do
this
without
you
know
talking
to
obviously
you
know
corporate
council's
office
and
things
like
that
have
they
have
they
been
spoken
to
before
we
were
because
I
mean.
Obviously
this
is
a
big
issue
for
the
city
as
a
whole.
Absolutely
of.
D
Course,
and,
and
so
we
would
lean
on
the
processes
that
were
evoked
or
invoked
in
2015..
How
was
that
independent
investigation
handled
so
again?
I
don't
have
that
information,
but
that's
why
we
bring
legislation
to
discuss
and
then
determine
as
a
body
how
to
best
represent
the
needs
of
the
community
and
this.
What
here?
What
is
here
in
the
document
says
that
they
can,
they
can
exist.
They
can
the
two
investigations
can
proceed
at
the
same
time.
D
B
F
I
can't
imagine
they
do,
but
let's,
let's,
let's
move
this
forward.
What
if
we
did,
what,
if,
let's
assume
we
hired
outside
firm
to
look
at
this,
the
attorney
general's
looking
at
it?
What
if
they
come
back
with
two
different
opinions?
Where
are
we,
then?
What
do
we
do?
Then?
We
got
two
different
outside
two
different,
varied
opinions:
I.
D
F
O
O
Office,
whether
or
not
they're
determining
whether
or
not
the
officer
broke
that
law
or
not
the
anti-choke
law,
as
opposed
to
the
civil
rights
office,
only
determining
something
about
the
Civil
Rights
being
violated
in
two
weeks.
We
should
have
that
answer.
What
exactly
they're
they're
looking
at
okay.
D
F
I
think
we're
in
a
holding
pattern
as
a
city
once
once
the
Attorney
General's
involved
I
think
we
have
to
wait
for
them
to
make
a
determination
before
we
can
do
anything
and
I,
don't
know
the
legal
replication
of
that,
but
I
I
think
we
probably
again
in
the
holding
pattern,
because
what
should
we
do
now?
What
do
you
want
to
do
now?
What's
your
what's
your
recommendation
for
the
city
to
do
now
when
the
Attorney
General's
investigating
this
no.
F
F
D
D
F
Glad
you
brought
this
up
because
last
Wednesday's
business
meeting
was
a
a
complete
disaster
to
me
now.
I
have
no
problem.
People
talking
I,
sat
here
before
based
on
city
council
until
11
30
one
night
during
public
comment,
which
Joe
Burns
back
spoke
at
it's
about
a
sanctuary.
City
there
had
to
be
200
people
in
the
audience
speaking
I
have
no
problem.
Listening
to
public
comment
put
the
decorum
and
the
chambers
we
cannot
allow
as
a
city
council,
someone
to
quote
take
over
our
meeting.
F
D
Again,
I
think
you're
separate
you're
you're
compounding
the
the
issue.
What
I
asked
you
you
brought
it
up
was
that
we
heard
testimony
not
only
from
people
that
were
affected,
but
from
the
mother
and
the
sister
separate
from
whatever
else
happened.
I'm
asking
you
about
how
we
heard
the
impact
of
what
transpired
on
January
1
has
impacted
families.
D
D
F
D
Be
the
video
that
was
on
the
news,
the
video
that
was
on
the
news-
and
we
don't
have
to
do
this
here
because
it
is
being
televised,
but
the
video
that
was
on
the
news
and
re
and
tweeted
and
posted
several
times
clearly
outlined
our
outline
or
showed
someone
on
the
ground
already
in
handcuffs
with
an
officer
on
them.
Now,
I
will
not
say
where
they
were
because
again
I'm,
as
I
said
in
my
post
on
social
media,
because
I
did
make
a
statement
that
we
have
people
that
are
experts
at
analyzing
tapes-
footage.
D
F
F
C
H
B
C
Correct,
but
we
also
said
another
one
so
I
believe
we
have
three
public
hearings
and
there's
29
pieces
of
legislation
here
on
your
pending
legislation.
However,
one
of
them
is
the
URL
for
the
agreement
with
Napa.
That's
sounds
like
it's
being
pulled
and
we'll
consider
that
in
two
weeks
at
another
work
session,
so
so
really
we
have
28
on
the
pending
legislation
and
then
the
two
that
were
expedited
tonight.
C
B
J
B
Okay,
I
am
I,
you
know
I'm
hoping
for
you
know,
I'm,
not
sure,
what's
going
to
happen,
I'm
hoping
for
a
another,
robust
discussion,
but
we
do
need
to.
We
do
need
to
have
order
into
Quorum
of
the
meeting.
Hopefully
that
happens.
I
don't
know
if
anybody's
listening,
I
hope
that,
like
like
councilman
scale,
said
we'll
we'll
be
here
all
night,
but
the
public
comments
should
address.