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B
A
A
Thank
you,
Mr
clerk,
be
a
note
for
the
mpa
committee.
The
sitting
members
of
the
committee
are
councilwoman
resinetti,
councilwoman,
Riley
and
myself.
I
want
to
thank
all
my
colleagues
and
members
of
the
public
and
Corp
Council
and
city
clerk's
office
that
are
here
today.
A
Councilwoman
Riley
I
believe
did
submit
a
notification
she's
on
her
way.
Correct
Mr
click,
so
I
wanted
to
get
that
on
the
record
as
well.
So
that
being
said,
I
spoke
with
the
city
clerk's
office,
so
again
for
just
a
quick
review
with
respect
to
members
of
the
committee
members
of
this
legislative
body
as
well
as
members
of
the
public
that
are
here
or
watching.
A
If
you
go
to
cityofbinghamton.gov
and
go
to
the
city
council
page,
there
is
a
hyperlink
that
is
located
on
that
page
that
we
have
compartmentalized
specifically
for
the
purposes
of
anything
in
relation
to
redistricting.
So
that
way
we
are
getting
all
of
that
available.
A
A
I,
obviously,
will
just
out
of
respect
for
members
of
the
body.
I
will
always
give
preference
to
councilwoman
Riley
or
councilwoman
resinetti,
as
they
are
standing
members
of
the
committee,
but
obviously
I
encourage
councilwoman,
Friedman,
councilman,
Burns
and
councilman
scamlin
to
obviously
weigh
in
at
any
time
that
they
feel
is
appropriate
and,
of
course,
that
will
be
most
welcome.
A
So
that
being
said,
at
this
time,
I
will
move
to
the
floor.
Are
there
any
members
that
would
like
to
discuss
any
of
the
three
maps
that
were
submitted
or
a
map
that
you
may
have
brought
with
you
to
this
meeting
and
any
warranted
points
again
within
the
realm
of
the
home
rule
law
for
redistricting
purposes,
I'll
open
that
up
to
my
colleagues
on
the
board.
A
And,
of
course,
if
you
need
a
few
minutes
to
kind
of
gain
your
bearing
and
with
respect
to
any
of
the
three
proposals
that
were
submitted,
of
course,
please
feel
free
to
take
that
time.
D
A
D
Just
submitted,
it
was
just
printed
out
and
hand
it
to
us.
Yes,
is
there
another
way
to
take
a
look
at
the
the
streets
like?
Is
there
a
better
print,
or
can
we
get
a
line
to
take
a
look
at
it?
It
looks
like
to
me
from
here
that
it's
almost
identical
to
the
other
map.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
it's
not
the
same
thing
that
was
being
submitted.
A
B
A
You
I
appreciate
it
and
for
what
it's
worth
two
notes
in
in
coming
off
our
past
discussions
here
in
the
mpa
committee.
A
I
have
worked
with
the
city
clerk's
office,
so
obviously
draft
minutes
of
all
these
meetings
and
anything
that
is
received
at
the
redistricting
at
city
of
binghamton.gov
email
will
be
made
publicly
available
along
obviously,
with
today's
meeting
minutes
for
public
consumption
from
what
I
can
tell
just
very
broadly
from
looking
at
the
three
different
submissions
that
were
made,
it
does
appear
that
all
of
the
deviations
for
all
seven
districts
in
all
three
maps
are
within
the
state
required
five
percent
variance
of
the
mean,
which
is
six
thousand
eight
hundred
ninety
three
residents
per
District.
D
You
were
recognized,
Mr,
President
and
also
I,
appreciate
that
reminder,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
looking
at
these
maps.
With
that
in
mind
what
you
just
said
that
we
need
to
have
the
state
required
variances
and
also
then
as
I'm
looking
at
these
Maps
two
are
pretty
similar.
D
Then,
in
addition
to
the
requirements,
I
guess
I
feel
that
there's
important
for
me
to
know
the
importance
of
continuity
as
we're.
Looking
at
our
neighborhoods
as
we're
looking
at
folks
that
are
looking
at
their
council,
districts
should
literally
be
some
sort
of
a
neighborhood
and
something
that
continues
to
be
somewhat
similar
as
long
as
we're
following
the
rules
right
as
to
what
they've
been
used
to
and
like
they'll
think
that
it's
been
working.
D
So
that's
just
something
that
I
have
been
really
thinking
about
and
been
discussing
with
constituents
and
conversations
regarding
this
process.
It's
about
following
the
rules
and
well
and
and
be
like
I
said.
Continuity
is
really
important.
It
appears
to
most
of
my
constituents.
Certainly
the
ones
that
I've
had
conversations
with
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there
on
the
record.
A
Councilwoman
Riley,
oh
I'm,
sorry
I,
didn't
know!
If
you
have
my
apology,
I
didn't
know
if
you
had
your
hand
up,
I'm,
sorry,
no,
no
you're,
you're,
okay,
you're,
okay,
so
again,
just
for
the
record
councilman
O'reilly
is
is
with
us.
So
I
appreciate
you
being
here
this
evening
there
were
a
total
of
three
Maps
councilwoman
that
were
submitted
by
4
58
p.m.
A
At
the
redistricting
at
city
of
binghamton.gov,
email
I
got
I
just
from
what
I
can
very
quickly
tell
it
does
look
like
all
three
Maps
with
all
seven
districts
in
each
respective
map
do
meet
the
state
required.
Five
percent
deviation
of
the
mean
of
6893
residents
per
District
again
on
average,
and
this
is
a
time
to
feel
free
if
you'd
like
to
say
anything
about
one
of
them,
two
of
them
or
all
of
them,
whatever
you'd
prefer
or
anyone
again.
D
Without
the
really
good
resolution-
and
this
one,
but
again
it
looks
pretty
similar
to
the
other
one
that
we
have
would
it
be,
would
I
be
correct,
then,
to
say
here
that
Western
Avenue,
for
example,
here
on
the
West
Side
District
Two,
it
is
on
okay.
Can
you
can
you
give
me
another
one?
It's
on
should
I
get
closer.
Okay
there
we
go
all
right,
so
I'm,
looking
at
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
reading
it
correctly
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
so.
D
D
A
We
call
the
number
one
yeah,
so
okay,
so
how
about
how
about
how
about
we
do
this,
just
for
just
for
purposes
of
of
objectivity
and
and
privacy.
Obviously,
things
are
are
foilable
as
they
should
be,
but
for
purposes
of
this
evening's
discussion,
why
don't
we
do
this?
Why
don't
we
refer
to
the
three
respective
Maps,
numerically
and
so
I
I
am
going
to
go
at
random
here.
A
So
for
those
of
you
who
are
here
the
map
that
was
most
recently
received
by
a
member
of
the
public
for
tonight's
purposes,
I'm
going
to
refer
to
that
as
map
number
one.
Okay,.
B
A
Okay,
so
we
have
District,
so
we
have
map
one
then
map
two.
So
then
again
just
to
get
on
the
record.
The
one
received
most
this
evening
we'll
refer
to
that
as
map
number
three,
then,
because
that
is
the
only
map
that
doesn't
have
a
number.
So
there
is
map
one
map,
two
map
three.
So,
as
you
are
discussing
anything
specific,
just
please
identify
which
draft
or
drafts
you
are
looking
at.
Thank.
D
You
thank
you
looking
then
at
math,
one
and
three,
and
so
it
would
be
appears
that
an
area
such
as
you
know
from
the
council.
The
second
district,
an
area
such
as
West
End,
for
example,
would
be
in
the
same
district
as
a
street.
Up
closer
to
Ross
Park
Zoo,
correct
that
this
is
in
District
Five.
D
D
right
like
the
West
End
Ave
areas,.
D
F
You
chairman,
scrungy
yeah,
I'm,
happy
to
comment
on
the
the
map
that
I
submitted.
Like
you
said
it's
foilable,
so
you
know
I'm
happy
to
take
credit
if
you
will
for
math
number
one
and
the
when
I
formulated
this
map.
F
I
started
out
with
the
map
of
the
current
city,
council
district
and
so
when,
when
I
was
thinking
to
try
and
keep
the
continuity
of
neighborhoods
together,
I
was
thinking
that
it
is
probably
beneficial
to
keep
the
new
districts
as
close
to
the
old
District
as
possible,
while
still
falling
within
the
guidelines
or
not
guidelines,
the
requirements
of
the
population
and
so
districts,
five
and
six
I
believe
were
the
smallest
I.
Don't
have
the
current
numbers
right
now,
I,
don't!
F
Oh
actually,
I
do
have
a
current
number,
so
districts,
five
and
six
were
the
smallest
ones
by
population
and.
F
Or
five,
six
and
seven
were
the
smallest
districts
by
population,
and
so
just
by
virtue
of
the
least
population
density.
Those
are
the
districts
that
are
going
to
have
to
expand
geographically
to
fall
within
the
provided,
require
population
requirements,
and
so
in
order
to
keep
those
the
districts
roughly
similar
to
what
they
are.
F
The
current
zoning
map,
which
is
why
I
requested
a
printout
and
thank
you
Lee
for
for
giving
a
a
printout
of
the
zoning
map,
and
so,
while,
yes,
geographically
District
Five,
it
encompasses
a
larger
area
just
by
nature
of
having
to
bring
up
the
population.
Zoning
Wise
It's
actually
quite
similar,
it's
mostly
zoned
as
R1,
so
the
the
block
that
is
above
the
river
that
extends
to
Leeward
Libra
street
is
zoned
R1,
just
like
most
of
the
rest
of
District
Five.
Currently
is
likewise
with
District
Six
that
extends
above
the
river.
F
It
is
mostly
encompassing
R1
zoning
areas,
same
thing
with
district
7
that
also
needed
to
be
expanded
because
it's
below
our
Target.
That
also
takes
the
top
of
what
is
currently
district
for
that's
zoned,
R2,
again
keeping
within
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
and
if
I
do
say
so
myself.
All
of
my
target
populations
were
actually
the
the
largest
deviation
was
1.77,
which
is
almost
half
the
allowable
deviation.
So
that's
that's
where
my
mind
was
I
was
trying
to
keep
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
their
current
zoning
areas.
A
Thank
you,
councilman
councilwoman
may
I
ask
a
question
as
a
release
to
this
job,
of
course,
so
just
kind
of
as
an
extension
just
trying
to
follow
your
logic
right.
So
the
argument.
The
argument
that
you're
proposing
is
that.
A
So
this
is
cd5
right,
so
Council
District
Five,
because
they're
all
are
one.
It.
F
You
know
you
can
make
an
argument
again
like
would
it
take
a
while
to
to
walk
from
Leroy
Street
on
the
West
Side
to
Ross
Park
Zoo
yeah?
It
probably
would
but
the
the
challenge
here
is
expanding
District
Five
to
bring
it
up
to
the
required
population
right,
so
we're
going
to
have
to
expand
District
Five
in
One,
Direction
or
another,
and
so
it
makes
I
think
the
most
sense.
If
we're
going
to
expand
District
Five
in
a
Direction,
that's
that's
contiguous.
F
It
would
be
up
into
District
Two,
which
has
to
shrink
again
because
that
currently
is
too
high.
So
I
was
thinking.
I
tried
to
kind
of
pair
the
districts
somewhat
a
district
that
was
next
to
each
other.
That
was
too
large
and
too
small,
and
so
you
can
see
that,
like
with
district
four
and
seven
I
kind
of
did
that
district,
one
in
three
sort
of
and
District
two
and
five
was
kind
of
roughly
what
I
was
thinking.
F
A
Yeah,
thank
you.
Councilman
councilman
Burns,
please
yeah.
G
B
G
So
I
mean
Park
Avenue
right
but
like
using.
A
G
Parts
of
parts
of
the
district
right
are
are
very
much
so
map
wise.
It
would
just
be
a
continue
with
forget.
The
river
is
there
that
would
just
be
a
continuation
of
the
same
neighborhood
almost
into
the
into
that
area.
It
wouldn't
be
like
you're
going
from
the
Ross
Park
Zoo
or
Upper
Park
Avenue
into
Leroy
street,
but
as
far
as
single
family
homes
go
it's
the
same
same
type
of
neighborhood,
from
from
MacArthur
Park
to
Vestal
right
and
take
that
over
across
the
river.
It's
the
same
same.
G
Okay,
you
can't
compare
it
to
the
Ross
Park
Zoo
I
mean
like
in
Bill's
District,
six
I
honestly,
don't
see
the
logic
of
map
number
two,
whereas
he's
he's
moving
over
into
the
business
district
into
downtowns.
I
can't
and
I
can't
see
exactly
how
far
the
street
wise,
if
you
go
all
the
way
to
Court
Street.
G
We
go
over
the
river
right
downtown
for
now,
which
would
be
Council
District
Six
right,
so
certainly
that
those
neighborhoods
aren't
the
same.
So
your
logic
of
saying
that
Leroy
Street
isn't
like
Ross
Park.
Well,
this
these
neighborhoods
are
not
the
same
as
the
downtown
area
and
if
he
was
going
to
move
into
the
if
he
was
going
to
move
across
the
river
anyway,
why
doesn't
he
just
keep
his
entire
District
and
move
across
the
river
and
take
what
he
needs.
A
So
there's
a
couple
of
things
there
councilman,
so
I
I
would
respectfully
disagree
that
the
there
isn't
continuity
for
a
number
of
reasons.
So
number
one
part
of
the
South
Side
actually
going
into
the
downtown
there's
actually
historic,
past
precedent
for.
B
A
A
What
I
think
of
when
I
think
of
aspects
of
the
home
rule
law
of
things
that
we
need
to
be
mindful
of
right,
so
I
think,
for
example,
of
communities
of
Interest
right
so
I'm,
pretty
sure
kids
in
that
part
of
the
downtown
they
go
to
Ben
Franklin,
don't
they
would
have
been
what
they
go
to
the
same
Elementary
School
they
go
to
the
same
school.
So
there
there's
continuity
there
there's
the
Tompkins
Street
Bridge,
which
is
right
there.
A
So
with
respect
to
Leroy
and
the
south
side
again,
I
I,
understand,
I,
understand
the
perspective
of
zoning
with
respect
to
R1
versus
R2
or
anything
else
right.
But
if
you
take,
the
argument
of
zoning
is
the
variable
of
continuity
right.
That
means
that
people
in
the
ward
on
Wilson
Street
are
the
same
as
people
that
live
next
to
Ross
Park,
because
they're
single
family
homes
and
I,
don't
think
anyone
in
the
south
side
or
anyone
in
the
ward
would
agree
with
that
right.
That's
just
my
kind
of
sense
of
it.
A
G
G
G
Then
moving
you
know,
just
keep,
keep
all
the
people
that
he
was
on
the
ballot
that
both
that
voted
for
he
he
and
I
all
these
people
that
we
were
on
the
ballot
they
chose.
They
chose
us
and
he's
giving
them
all
up.
I'm
now
going
to
take
over
half
of
half
of
his
district
and
he's
going
to
still
move
across
the
river
when
he
can
just
keep
his
district
and
move
across
the
river
and
get
the
same
amount
of
people
he
doesn't
have
to
take
my
district,
so
I
could
just
keep
his.
A
I,
don't
I
don't
want
to
mince
the
the
technicalities
of
words
but
I
I
think
for
the
purposes
of
of
our
discussion
right,
so
I
I
think
it's
more
proper
if
we
refer
to
these
Geographic
areas
or
these
boundaries
as
council
districts
versus
my
district
or
your
District,
because
respectfully
councilman
Burns
operating
on
the
Assumption,
which
I
don't
know
this
to
be
the
case.
But
if
I
operate
on
the
assumption
that
both
you
and
president
strong
right
run
for
re-election,
regardless
of
the
outcome.
A
Objectively
speaking,
it's
actually
incorrect
to
say
that
councilman
Strong's
District
needs
more
people,
the
district
that
he
represents,
and
the
district
that
you
represent
need
more
people
correct
right.
So
it's
not
of
a
placation
of
One
Versus,
the
other
so
I,
just
that's,
not
a
distinction
without
a
difference
and
I.
Think
that's
important.
A
So
you
know
theoretically,
District
Five,
whatever
the
new
District
Five
is,
could
go
over
into
the
downtown
or
it
could
be
District
six,
but
again,
as
even
councilwoman.
Friedman
pointed
out
objectively.
It
is
true
that,
as
we
got
the
results
of
the
last
sentence,
both
of
the
South
Side
districts
decreased
in
population
and
therefore
need
to
geographically
expand
to
the
extent
that
brings
it
in
line.
But
yes,
I
understand
that.
Yes,.
F
So
I'm
wondering
since
map
2
seems
to
be
the
most
deviated
from
what
the
districts
currently
are.
I,
don't
know
if
I
don't
know
who
made
this
map,
but
I
was
wondering
if
anyone
was
able
to
speak
to
it.
F
S
merits
just
because
I'm
I'm
the
most
curious
since
I
I,
don't
this
is
most
different
from
not
only
our
current
districts
but
also
the
the
map
that
I
created.
A
F
F
But
just
the
I'm
having
trouble
seeing
how
map
to
creates
a
contiguous.
What's
the
word
that
I'm
looking
for
a
cohesive
like
neighborhood
District,
specifically
the
the
new
districts,
six
I'm,
not
quite
understanding
how.
A
A
So
I'll
take
a
crack
at
that.
Actually,
just
looking
very
broadly,
the
South
Side
for
the
last
10
years
has
been
represented
by
solely
two
encompassing
Geographic
districts.
It
still
holds
one
when
I
look
at
the
rest
of
the
city.
The
east
side
looks
like
it's
all
in
one
District,
the
First
Ward
is
all
in
one
District,
Mount
Prospect
is
continuously
and
consistently
in
the
first
district.
A
A
Main
Street
and
North
of
Maine
that
is
now
down
to
two,
as
it
relates
to
the
north
side
and
the
downtown.
A
F
Yeah
I
I
agree
with
you
in
terms
of
downtown
in
the
north
side
and
to
be
honest
in
in
the
map
that
I
created
I
feel
like
the
north
side
is
more
intact
than
it
is
currently
with
our
our
current
District
I.
Guess:
I'm,
not
I,
don't
know,
I'll
have
to
consider
it,
but
I,
just
the
District,
the
new
District
Six
on
map,
two
I'm
I'm,
just
having
trouble,
seeing
how
that's
a
a
neighborhood
or
like
a
district
that
would
that
represents
one
contingent
contingency.
F
B
F
Because
I
think
we
can
like
bringing
back
up
the
the
first
argument
that
was
made
was
okay.
Well,
are
people
on
Leroy
Street
the
same
as
people
near
Ross,
Park,
Zoo
and
I
think
that
this
actually
this
map
too,
has
a
district
that
spans
the
largest
geographic
area,
all
the
way
to
the
edge,
the
West
Edge
and
the
East
edge
of
the
city.
That
to
me
seems
like
the
most
different
that
you
could
possibly
get.
It
goes
across
the
entire
city.
So
that's
what
I'm
not
really
understanding.
G
The
west
side
has
Leroy
Street
Main
Street,
Riverside
Drive
I
now
have
vessel
Avenue,
it's
our
main
drag
Vestal
Avenue,
the
fifth.
The
fifth
is
the
sixth
district
has
Conklin
Avenue
takes
up.
This
takes
up
the
entire
District.
Now
we're
gonna
say
that
five
there's
not
a
road
that
goes
more
than
a
couple
blocks.
It's
just
a
hodgepodge
of
turns
and
there's
no
Main
Street,
there's
no
main
drag.
That's
just.
G
It's
you
know
it's
it's
not
designed
as
an
area
as
an
area
really
the
way
that
the
way
that
it
was
before
this,
and
if
we
kept
it
somewhat,
the
way
it
was
like
he
would
just
keep
his
district
I
would
keep
that
west
side,
and
then
we
would
he
he
District
Six,
could
then
go
over
the
river
and
get
what
is
needed.
I.
Could
the
number
five
map
one
has
going
over
the
river
six
could
go
over
the
river.
Both
could
go
over
the
river
a
little
bit.
G
Keeping
the
districts
that
voted
for
us
to
put
us
in
office.
Keep
us
representing
those
folks
now
on
January
1st
people
will
not
know
who
who
to
call
what
you
know.
It's
not
fair
to
the
residents
even
to
do
that,
to
that
many
residents
on
this
you're
not
doing
it
on
each
side
of
town.
It's
only
on
the
south
side,
but.
A
And
in
your
defense,
I
I
under
councilman
I'm,
not
knocking
what
you're
saying
I'm
just
saying.
E
E
G
G
D
B
D
G
Takes
me
to
another
thing:
that's
got
some
other
time,
but
maybe
we
could
get
an
RL
that
we
could
get
some
money
to
send
letters
to
everybody,
not
political
letters.
It's
a
letter
to
everybody
explaining
that
their
representative
is
now
so
and
so
and
so.
A
H
But
similar
to
what
everyone
has
already
said,
and
particularly
what
council
person
Friedman
had
highlighted
when
we
go
to
discuss
the
maps,
we
want
to
understand
the
rationale
behind
the
concept
and
again
seeing
the
line
drawn
horizontally,
as
opposed
to
other
methods
that
we
see
in
other
Maps.
It's
just.
It
makes
a
question
as
to
why
we
talk
about
the
school
district
again.
This
then
crap.
If
I
look
at
it
again
at
first
glance,
number
five
and
six
are
now
in
two
different
school
districts:
schools,
not
districts,
I'm.
H
Sorry,
the
students
are
attending
a
different
school
right
now
right
and
so
again,
what
was
the?
What
was
the
impotence
for
Drawing
the
Line
This
Way,
compared
to
lines
that
as
Council
men
burned
that
followed
roads
or
followed
legislative
districts?
What
what?
What
was?
What
drove
this
decision?
That's,
what
I
think
I
would
like
to
know.
D
D
D
Like
any
of
these,
Maps
is
looking
at
following
the
rules
and
the
regulations
and
the
requirements
and
making
sure
that
we
apply
or
keep
some
continuity
as
much
as
possible.
Obviously
they
are
pros
and
cons
up
into
to
both
of
these,
but
I
would
think
that
that's
always
so.
H
H
D
D
Deviation
so
this
you
know,
I,
think
that
you
know
discussions
with
not
a
whole
lot,
certainly
in
my
case,
but
I
think
with
many
constituents
about
certain
streets
have
been
together
as
a
council
district
for
a
very
long
time.
Although
you
know
there's
never
a
guarantee
of
all
that
so
so.
D
Not
an
old
map,
new
discussions
and
sort
of
feel
as
to
what
communities
want,
but
again
it's
really
about
the
requirements.
We
cannot
deviate
from
that
when
we're
talking
about
numbers
and
also
what
appears
to
be
making
sense
now,
it
might
not
make
sense
for
everyone
on
the
same
street
or
in
the
same
body
here,
but
I
think
that's
really
what
convert
all
of
these
up.
H
Right,
which
is
why
again,
it's
not
just
for
us,
we
have
constituents
we're
accountable
to,
and
so
when
we're
looking
at
the
maps,
understanding
the
historical
context
as
council
member
orangey
brought
up
understanding
that
people
want
to
maintain
consistency.
As
various
members
brought
up
looking
at
the
school
districts,
looking
I
mean
the
schools
that
the
students
are
are
because
it's
all
one
school
district,
but
the
school
zones.
H
So
again,
if
we
are
to
go
back
to
our
constituents
and
we
look
at
it-
we
can
say:
okay
well,
Council
map
2
was
developed
based
upon
these
things
and
deviation
was
brought
up
and
all
of
the
things
you
just
listed
but
I
wanted
to
highlight.
If
you
look
at
the
non-white
population
again,
one
would
say
that
it
was
lumped
into
one
District
or
they
could
say
strengthening
the
power
of
a
minorities
subset
of
the
community.
So
I
wanted
to
know
again.
H
How
is
this
map
approached
and
was
that
part
of
the
discussion,
because
that
is
again
some
of
the
the
the
responsibility
in
crafting
a
map
that
are
on
our
web
page.
So
I
again,
I
just
wanted
some
idea
as
to
what
drove
the.
B
H
Horizontal
line
and
and
why
whomever
is
supporting
this
map
is
asking
for
our
support
to
move
this
map
forward
and,
unfortunately,
I
still
don't
think
I
have
it.
D
A
So
councilwoman
Riley
here's
what
I
would
say
to
that
so
again,
I'm
looking
back
here
at
map
draft
Maps
one
and
two
right
so
I'm
also
going
to
bring
a
third
map
which
is
actually
the
current
map.
A
When
I
speak
to
constituents
that
I
represent
and
I
hear
the
term
continuity
of
neighborhoods,
now
not
everyone
says
it
like
that,
but
everyone
usually
says
neighborhoods
people
that
I
represent.
Tell
me
the
following:
I
want
the
ward
together:
I
want
the
West
Side
together
right,
I
want
Mount
Prospect
together
to
the
extent
that
it
can
be
right.
So
again,
when
I
look
at
draft
Maps
one
and
two
right
again
in
draft
mapped
one.
A
A
A
A
What
draft
map
2
does
that
draft
map
one
does
not
is
only
go
over
the
water
once
rather
than
twice,
and
to
top
it
off
the
area
into
the
downtown
near
the
Tompkins
Street
bridge
that
it
goes
into
the
downtown
again.
Not
only
is
there
past
precedent
for
that
and
by
the
way,
right,
that's
important,
but
also
ancillary,
because
the
fact
that
there's
past
precedent
is
not
reason
to
do
that
now.
But
the
point
is:
is
that
it's
not
new,
so
four
purposes
of
population?
A
It's
been
done
before
right,
so
there
have
been
bodies
in
the
past
that
preceded
the
seven
of
us
that
in
some
way
shape
or
form,
at
least
at
a
minimum
majority
fashion,
felt
that
that
was
consistent
with
respect
to
the
continuity
of
neighborhoods,
so
again,
I'm
just
looking
at
the
communities
geographically
and
looking
at
the
maps
by
what
I'm
seeing
in
front
of
me
unless
I
don't
know
what
the
East
Side,
the
ward,
Mount
Prospect
and
the
west
side
are.
They
are
much
more
held
together
in
draft
map
2
than
in
draft
map.
A
A
A
A
A
Right
I
mean
I
mean
even
just
looking
at
the
numbers
right
on
draft
one.
There
is
one
map
that
actually
exceeds
40
percent
on
draft
two.
There
is
also
one
District
that
also
exceeds
40
percent
and,
in
fact
the
one
District
on
drop
map
2
actually
has
a
higher
non-white
proportion
over
40
than
the
one
in
District
on
draft
map
one.
A
So
it
would
seem
to
me
that
both
of
these
drafts
seem
to
be
fairly
consistent
as
it
relates
to
current
community
proportionalities
of
interest
on
both
of
them.
I
I
think
they're.
H
H
And
yes,
you
can
compare
one
two
three
and
the
current.
But
if
you
look
at
two
alone
in
terms
of
percentages,
there
is
a
difference
which
again
could
be
a
strength,
and
it
could
be.
You
know
it
depends
on
how
one
is
interpreting
the
data.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that,
and
so
that
I
could
hear
from
you,
which
I
appreciate
the
background
that
you
provided,
so
that
we
can
use
that
when
we're
making
a
rational
decision,
because
we
don't
have
to
accept
any
of
these
Maps.
As
a
committee,
we
have
time
right.
H
A
E
A
Again
but
again,
I
I
will
reiterate
on
the
record,
as
as
I
have
said
this,
you
know
obviously
I'm
I'm,
not
council
president,
but
I
would
highly
disincentivize
and
I.
Don't
believe
any
of
my
colleagues
would
feel
this
way.
You
know,
as
as
we
all
know,
we
purposely
liberalize
the
amount
of
time
for
public
input.
For
that
very
reason,
and
as
new
maps
come
in
they
regardless
of
Beyond
tonight,
they
absolutely
should
be
given
equal
consideration.
I
I,
don't
disagree.
H
A
We
would
have
yeah
so
with
so
again
just
to
get
this
on
the
record.
There
was
a
reason
why
we
can
consider
equivalent
consideration
moving
forward,
and
that
is
because
the
state
requires
us
Corp
Council
back
me
up
here
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
it's
seven
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing.
All
we
would
have
to
do
is
just
have
another
public
hearing
and
have
a
special
meeting
which,
if
it
ended
up
coming
down
to
that
I,
don't
have
a
problem
with
that.
H
A
That's
not
true
at
all,
okay
right,
because
so
so
there
there's
there's
two
things
that
go
on
here
right
so
with
respect
to
our
chamber
rules,
either
I
is
the
chair
or
a
majority
of
the
committee
can
call,
but
there's
another
Avenue
right,
which
is
hypothetically.
If
there
is
one
member
of
the
mpa
committee
that
likes
Map
X,
you
have
another
road
to
completely
override
MPA,
because
you
either
need
two
signatures
from
a
committee
or
four
signatures
from
the
whole
right.
So
you
actually
have
multiple
Avenues.
G
Did
you
please
I'm
just
looking
at
map
number
three
that
police
came
in
and
I
just
think
that
everybody
should
take
a
look
at
that
as
well.
F
Thank
you,
I
I
wanted
to
also
maybe
bring
to
our
attention.
The
fourth
bullet
points
in
the.
F
You
and
the
Homer
law
that
says
that
districts
shall
be
in
as
compact
in
form
as
practicable
and
I
know.
We
had
that's.
You
know
the
the
fourth
one,
so
it's
not
as
important
as
the
first
three
but
I.
Don't
I
think
that
we
haven't
necessarily
been
paying
attention
to
that.
One
and
I
do
I
tried
also
in
map
one
to
try
and
keep
the
the
districts
in
as
like
kind
of
as
close
to
a
square
as
as
possible.
F
Obviously,
the
borders
of
this
city
prevent
that
from
really
being
the
case
and
the
the
streets.
You
know
the
the
borders
of
the
you
know
to
reach
the
the
five
percent
deviation
from
the
mean
prevent
that
in
its
entirety,
but
I
I
think
that
map
number
one
in
some
cases
even
makes
the
districts
more
Compact
and
square
like
then,
our
current
District
do
like
District.
F
Three,
for
example,
has
kind
of
it
currently
has
a
an
arm
sort
of
in
the
North
North
West
corner
of
the
district
and
a
little
bump
that
protrudes
into
district
one
and
those
are
both
eliminated
as
well
as
District,
four,
which
is
kind
of
tall
and
rectangular
I
tried
to
create,
maybe
like
a
Center,
City
type
District.
F
Obviously
so,
there's
some
interesting
shapes
that
the
the
border
of
the
city
creates,
but
again
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
bullet
point
number,
four,
that
the
district
shall
be
as
compact
as
possible.
Thanks
thank.
B
A
So
I
I
think
it's
important.
I
I
think
it's
important
to
just.
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
rule
four
for
a
minute
with
respect
to
compactness,
I
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
how
we
statistically
measure
compactness
and
what
compactness
actually
is
right.
So
compactness
actually
has
two
aspects
to
it.
Right
compactness
can
either
be
equal
parts
or
the
continuous
or
contiguous
nature
of
the
shape
right.
A
So
I
I
think
it's
important
to
understand
that
compactness
absolutely
is
a
rule
that
we
need
to
be
very
very
mindful
of,
but
we
also
need
to
be
mindful
of
the
fact
that
we
want
to
look
at
it
holistically
right,
which
is
compactness
as
much
as
possible,
so
to
kind
of
Whittle
it
down
the
point,
not
even
just
in
spirit
but
explicitly
is
the
way
it's
written
is
really
to
ensure
that
you
don't
draw
maps
that
from
20
feet
away,
look
like
they
could
be
the
cast
of
characters
of
a
cartoon,
because
you
have
like
lines
that
go
up
and
around
like
this
and
stuff
like
that.
A
So
as
it
relates
to
District
Two
district
one.
Let
me
let
me
rephrase
that
forgive
me
draft
map,
one
District
Six.
A
Yes,
it
is
true
that
on
the
first
half
of
it
proposed
Council
district
6
on
draft
map,
one
is
more
compact
than
proposed.
District
6
is
on
draft
map
2..
That
being
said,
because
of
the
contiguous
and
continuous
nature
of
draft
map,
two
city
council,
District
Six-
that
also
meets
that
definition
of
compact
as
possible.
A
A
A
I
I'm
I'm
gonna
offer
do
any
of
my
colleagues
want
to
talk
to
each
other
should
I
entertain,
say,
for
example,
a
five
minute
recess,
so
people
can
talk
to
each
other
and
then
get
back
on
the
record.
Only
four
or
five
minutes
just
to
allow
discussion,
communication
and
transparency
before
I
entertain
any
motions
to
be
considered
by
the
committee.
F
You
my
question
is
a
a
logistical
one
that,
in
terms
of
when
we
are
actually
voting
on
the
maps,
obviously
I
know
that
it.
For
the
most
part,
this
has
to
follow
the
same
procedure
as
any
piece
of
legislation
does.
But
if
it's
a
question
of
picking
a
map,
is
it
how
how
do
we
then,
outside
of
this
meeting
right
now,
vote
on
multiple
or
consider
multiple
Maps?
F
Is
it
do?
Do
we
sign
out
multiple
Maps
here
and
then
only
one
gets
signed
out
of
the
work
session,
or
is
it
identical
pieces
of
legislation
each
with
a
map
attached
to
them,
and
one
vote
is
voted
yes
with
the
understanding
of
the
other
will
not
be
voted.
Do
you
know
what
I
mean
like
outside
of
this
going
forward?
How
do
we
consider
multiple
Maps.
A
Thank
you
councilman,
so
just
to
make
sure
I'm
understanding
it
correctly.
Your
question
is
from
here
going
forward.
Procedurally,
how
does
the
body
review
more
than
one
map
is
that
the
question
you're
asking
that's
correct?
Thank
you,
man,
okay,
so
the
answer
to
that
question
is:
can
that
be
done
and
the
answer
is
a
resounding
yes
to
answer
your
question
more
specifically,
how
would
that
logistically
be
done?
Logistically?
That
would
be
done
in
the
following
manner.
A
So,
according
to
the
home
rule
law,
seven
days
prior
to
the
public
hearing,
we
need
to
have
a
map,
a
singular
map
that
gets
put
forward
for
public
consumption,
that
the
body
of
the
whole
will
vote
on.
If
a
new
map
is
received
and
wants
to
be
considered,
we
can
do
a
number
of
things.
We
could
convene
another
MPA
committee
meeting.
A
We
could
get
just
two
signatures
from
sitting
members
of
the
mpa
committee
and
bring
it
to
the
body
or
you
could
get
four
signatures
from
any
of
the
seven
members
of
the
body
and
then
you
can
bring
it
forward
that
way.
Now
we
have
to
be
cognizant
again
to
me
to
ensure
that
we
are
following
the
state
law.
If
that
happens,
we
will
then
have
to
schedule
another
public
hearing
if
an
RL
is
associated
with
another
map.
That
being
said
in
principle
and
I
will
just
speak
for
myself.
A
E
Only
just
a
map
associated
with
it
it'll
actually
have
a
description
of
the
boundaries
of
the
new
districts
right,
and
so
that's
not
something
that
happened
well.
We're
hoping
that
we
found
a
way
to
do
it
simpler,
but
it's
not
as
it
used
to
be
a
very
burdisome
task.
We
think
we
can
now
do
it
using
census
data
to
give
the
census
tracts
of
the
districts
will
be
described
in
terms
of
census
tract.
E
H
I
would
probably
like
to
see
the
actual
boundaries
that
were
used
for
these
Maps
because
from
the
printed
version
that
I
have
in
front
of
me,
which
I
may
be
able
to
see
if
I
had
it
on
my
computer,
it
looks
as
if
blocks
were
split
in
half
and
I
I'm
hoping
they
were
not
drawn.
That
way,
so
just
to
be
certain
and.
G
H
A
I
I,
so,
while
I
appreciate
that
councilwoman
Riley
at
the
expense
of
being
respectfully
direct,
you
are
absolutely
right.
That
is
a
commonality.
It
is
not
a
commonality
in
the
redistricting
process
that
a
you're
going
to
alleviate
or
be
even
minimized
for
what
it's
worth.
Please
allow
me
to
use
myself
as
a
complete
illustration
of
that.
My
neighbors,
who
literally
live
right
across
the
street
from
me
I,
do
not
represent
them
their
Council
will.
Their
Council
representative
is
councilwoman
resonating,
so.
A
Respectfully,
no,
it's
it's
actually
not
that
different
at
all,
because
not
only
are
my
neighbors,
who
again
I've
known
for
years,
literally
right
across
the
other
side
of
the
street
from
me,
not
my
constituents,
technically
speaking
in
terms
of
council
boundaries,
my
neighbors
across
the
street
are
also
in
a
completely
different
election
District.
That
is
very
normal.
Like.
B
B
B
H
B
A
I
do
see
what
you're
saying,
but
but
again
respectfully,
here's
the
reason
why
I
would
maintain
that
it's
a
distinction
without
a
difference
right,
because
in
order
for
that
to
occur,
that
means
that
there
actually
has
to
be
something
from
a
map
perspective,
that's
actually
creating
that
division,
yeah
and
right,
and
and
but
that
is
the
unit
of
analysis
of
this
entire
mapping
system,
which
are
census
blocks
which
are
smaller
than
election
districts.
Yeah.
H
If
you're
able
to
tell
me
that
you
can
stand
without
a
doubt
to
say
that
these
are
aligned
with
some
block
of
measurement
or
consistency,
so
you're
saying
this
border,
that
is
at
the
top
of
city
council,
District
2,
that's
yellow
now
on
map
two,
of
course
we
see
the
boundaries
are
very.
We
can.
We
can
tell
what
street
that
is.
But
if
you
look
at
the
bottom
of
District
2,
where
you
have.
H
A
A
The
process
that
he
was
talking
about,
that's
very
in-depth
with
it
is
because
not
only
do
the
boundaries
for
each
of
the
seven
respective
council
districts
need
to
be
delineated
and
described,
but
each
census
block
is
actually
delineated
in
each
proposed
District.
Because,
again,
it's
the
unit
of
analysis.
You
can't
get
smaller
than
the
census.
One
and.
H
H
A
Mr
clerk,
the
the
drafts
that
were
submitted
were
the
dot
map
files
submitted
with
them.
Yes,
all
three
have
the
dot
map
yeah,
which
we
would
need
anyway,
absolutely
to
verify
everything.
So
yeah
I
mean
from
the
little
bit
that
I've
played
with
the
map.
I
I'm.
All
three
of
these
drafts
look
consistent
as
to
how
the
mapping
program
works.
I
I,
don't
see
any
deviation
or
user
error
or
anything
like
that.
A
G
Burns
yeah
that,
thank
you,
the
census
blocks
mean
I
assume
the
last
time
this
was
done.
They
used
the
census
blocks
same
way.
They
have
to
every
time,
okay,
so
when
they
did
that
right
now
there
are
borders
made
out
of
you
know:
streets,
there's,
not
a
there's,
no
there's
no
District
Council
District.
That
ends
in
the
middle
of
the
block.
G
You
can
go
across
street
vessel
Avenue
Coastal
Avenue
separates
for
for
time
being
right
from
from
Mill
Street
to
South
Washington
across
the
street
is
District
Six
and
the
other
side
is
District
Five,
okay,
but
no.
We
would
never
end
it
in
the
middle
of
a
block
and
say
it's
either.
This
whole
block
is
in
the
day
and
then
after
South
Washington
Street,
then
every
block
is
in
District
Five.
We
wouldn't
say:
half
of
this
block
is
in
District
Five,
it's
like
whole
block
it
and
it
ends
it
it
streets
again,
just
as
so.
A
G
Block
right
so
koe
as
a
council
get
a
map.
Take
a
look
at
what
the
census
block
what
the
computer,
the
AI
is
telling
us
true
and
then
do
what
we
want
to
do,
which
would
be
borders
and
you
might
have
to
change
the
map
a
little
bit
but
sure,
even
if
even
if
you
know
accepting
you
know,
mapped
map
map,
2,
District
Six
as
I
say,
is
a
hodgepodge
of
of
streets.
You
know,
but
is
it
a
hodgepodge
of
middle
streets?
G
Is
it
in
the
is
it
you
know,
I
can't
see,
there's
no,
there's
no,
there's
no
main
drag
that
goes
through
it.
So
is
it
like?
We
got
a
half
a
block
here
and
a
half
a
block
there
and
I
have
a
block
there.
I
mean.
How
is
it
going
to
be
instead
of
saying,
then
you
know
I
can
I
should
be.
A
Because
that's
the
way,
it's
always
no!
That's
that's
not
necessarily
true
right,
because
the
boundaries
of
census
blocks
also
change.
Those
aren't
static
right,
so
it
might
be
that
10
years
ago,
that
census
block
the
way
it
is
right
now
it
wasn't
like
that
back
in
2010
right,
that's
not
the
case
right.
B
A
My
suggestion
would
be
if,
if
that's
something
that
is
speaking,
your
curiosity
and
you
want
to
check,
take
the
dot
map
file
when
you
get
home
load
it
up
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
you
can
zoom
right
in
it.
My
experience
going
through
this
type
of
mathematical
stuff.
That
is
very
normal
because
again,
remember
it's
the
county
that
sets
election
District
boundaries
like
we
don't
do
that,
we're
we
don't
create
those
right
and
census
blocks.
Well,
that's
just
the
bureaucracy
of
Washington
DC.
Nobody,
even
in
Albany,
can.
A
F
You,
chairman
scrunchie,
this
is
I'm
going
back
to
something
that
was
mentioned
before
I
just
I
was
looking
at
draft
map.
2
and
I
know
that
you
had
mentioned
that
one
of
the
merits
of
the
map
is
that
it
only
crosses
over
the
river
once,
but
I
noticed
that
it
actually
crosses
over
twice.
F
District
Four
now
goes
across
to
the
West
into
District
three
over
the
river.
B
A
H
G
G
A
A
You
Council
so
councilwoman
Riley.
The
reason
why
I
called
on
you
was
because
it
kind
of
looked
like
you
were
putting
your
arm
up
and
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
I
was
acknowledging
you
as
a
Committee,
Member
councilman
Burns.
To
answer
your
question,
your
question
is
the
question
that
councilwoman
Friedman
actually
asked
earlier,
which
is,
is
the
mpa
committee?
Putting
forward
one
map
tonight
depends
on
how
the
vote
turns
out.
G
What
can
you
make
a
motion
to
accept
one
and
two
to
take
to
take
to
the
city
council
sure
if
you're
going
to
say
if
this,
if
this
went
through,
then
okay,
then
if,
if
one
of
the
members
wanted
to
make
a
motion
to
accept
number
one
and
said
well,
we've
already
accepted
number
two.
A
B
A
A
A
A
A
As
we
said
earlier,
there
will
still
be
public
input
allowed
until
let
me
rephrase
that,
because
I
should
not
abuse
that
word
aloud
is
the
wrong
word
is
permitted
on
through
redistricting
at
cityofbinghamton.gov
and
I
will
would
also
encourage
my
colleagues
with
either
draft
map
one
or
draft
map
3
or
any
other
draft
map
version
that
you
or
someone
you
know
would
like
to
bring
forward
I
would
encourage
you
to
communicate
that
to
myself,
as
well
as
all
of
your
colleagues
to
get
any
appropriate
signatures
that
can
allow
for
it
to
be
formally
considered.