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A
All
right,
hello,
everyone
welcome
to
this
special
meeting
of
the
city
of
Binghamton
Planning
Commission.
My
name
is
Nick
Corker
and
I'm.
Currently,
the
chairman
of
this
commission,
which
is
comprised
of
local
community
members,
tasked
with
reviewing
site
plans
and
special
use
permits
for
consistency
with
the
standards
and
criteria
set
forth
in
the
city
of
Binghamton
code,
based
on
our
total
number
of
Planning
Commission
members.
Four
members
must
be
present
to
constitute
a
quorum
tonight.
A
A
You
Kelly
Weiss
president
Manny
priest
here
and
Steve
C
Prasad
is
absence
all
right.
That
means
we
do
have
a
quorum
and
can
proceed
all
right.
There's
only
one
item
on
our
agenda
tonight.
A
So
this
is
public
hearings
and
final
deliberations
for
the
applicant
Addiction
Center
of
Broome
County
project
address
is
15
Charles
Street.
This
is
a
site
plan
review
and
special
use
permit
to
convert
the
basement
of
an
existing
mixed-use
building
to
Social
Services
use,
slash
warming
station
in
the
I2
light
and
medium
Industrial
District.
A
C
Hi
everyone
thank
you,
Sarah
Campbell,
with
human
heart
and
Qatar
representing
the
applicant.
Just
briefly
want
to
thank
you
for
your
careful
consideration
of
this
project.
I
know
it's
not
then
easy,
and
it
is
a
complicated
process.
We
hope
that
we've
provided
you
sufficient
information
to
evaluate
the
special
permit.
Use
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
go
over
just
two
things,
just
to
sort
of
remind
us
all.
C
So
the
inclusion
of
a
permitted
use
in
the
ordinance
as
a
special
permit
is
tantamount
to
a
legislative
finding
that
the
permitted
use
is
in
harmony
with
the
general
zoning
plan
and
will
not
adversely
affect
the
neighborhood
again.
The
decision
to
Grant
or
deny
a
special
permit
has
to
be
based
on
the
record
before
you
and
cannot
be
based
solely
on
generalized
Community
opposition.
C
So
you
know
we'd
submit
to
you
that
this
proposal
is
squarely
within
the
legislative
contemplation
of
uses
that
are
appropriate
in
this
location.
I
think
that's
further
supported
by
you
know
the
the
colored
diagram
that
I
showed
you
before,
with
our
property
being
here
in
the
brown
Clinton
Street,
going
all
the
way
here
and
all
of
the
red
which
is
also
neighborhood
commercial,
which
also
allows
Social
Services
as
a
special
permit
use.
C
So
it
isn't
as
if
this
particular
location
has
just
been
carved
out
as
a
single,
appropriate
location
for
social
services
use.
City
council
has
found
that
all
of
the
properties
running
Clinton
Street
would
be
equally
appropriate.
That's
sort
of
borne
out
by
a
mental
health
facility
that
is
now
vacant,
but
was
located
right
across
the
street
from
the
boys
and
girls
club
and
was
constructed
for
that
purpose.
C
So
those
uses
are
not
new.
With
that,
we're
really
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
I.
Think
there's
been
some.
You
know
you
hear
stuff
on
the
street
right,
which
is
the
street.
We
all
live
in
here
and
I.
Think
there's,
you
know
been
some
sort
of
unfounded
concerns.
C
You
know
parking
was
a
concern
and
you
know
we
have
a
site
plan.
We
have
more
than
400
parking
spaces.
So
that's
certainly
not
our
population
doesn't
by
the
way,
mostly
Drive
and
then
just
to
remind
you
that
this
is
a
68
000
square
foot,
building
of
which
two
thousand
square
feet
is
going
to
be
devoted
to
code
blue.
So
only
when
the
temperature
is
32
degrees
or
below
warming
station.
This
is
not
even
a
24
hour
a
day
facility.
C
It's
not
12
months
of
the
year,
and
then
it
also
just
asks
you
to
remember
that
acbc
has
a
very
long
history
of
successful
operation
in
Binghamton,
probably
mostly
born
out
by
the
fact
that
most
of
us
don't
even
know
that
they
exist
in
the
community,
and
they
also
have
a
recent
comfort
station
or
Comfort
facility,
which
is
not
code
blue,
which
is
on
Shenango
street,
that
they
run
so
have
a
lot
of
Real
World
Experience
associated
with
this
kind
of
operation,
and
really
you
know,
I,
can't
think
of
anyone
more
qualified,
applied
to
supervise
and
run
a
program
like
this,
and
that
that's
it.
D
I
just
want
to
make
one
clarification:
I
don't
normally
disagree
with
Miss
Campbell,
but
my
interpretation
of
an
spu
is
a
little
bit
differently.
I.
Believe
city
council
has
said
that
the
uses
that
are
on
that
list
may
be
meet
the
criteria
and
may
not
be
in
conflict
with
the
neighborhood,
but
there's
a
reason
why
they
gave
to
11
factors
you're
supposed
to
consider
to
determine
whether
it's
an
spu.
D
A
Right
so
I
guess
the
first
question
is
so
we've
kind
of
we
closed
the
public
hearing
at
the
last
meeting
after
everybody
who
has
been
at
that
meeting
and
previous
meetings
were
allowed
to
speak.
So
the
first
question
I
didn't
see
a
reason
to
reopen
the
public
hearing.
I.
Think
we've
heard
as
many
new
facts
as
we
were
going
to
hear.
I
didn't
think
there
were
any
new
points
that
were
going
to
be
made
by
allowing
anybody
else
to
speak.
A
But
if
anybody
is
interested
in
reopening
the
public
hearing,
they
could
make
a
motion
to
do
that.
If
we
do
make
that
motion
and
it
were
to
pass,
we
would
have
to
basically
end
tonight's
meeting
because
we
would
have
to
open
the
public
hearing
at
the
next
meeting
after
we
had
time
to
advertise
it.
So
I
guess
that's
the
first
question:
is
anybody
interested
in
making
a
motion
to
reopen
the
public
here.
E
I
just
want
to
note
that
I
was
not
present
for
the
last
meeting,
but
thank
you
to
the
staff
for
all
your
hard
work
and
providing
the
transcript
and
the
video.
So
I
am
caught
up
and
there
was
a
lot
of
information.
A
lot
to
digest,
appreciate
everyone
who
was
involved
but
I'm
ready
to
move
forward
without
opening
the
public
hearing
again.
Okay,.
A
Anybody
else
thinking
about
making
a
motion
to
reopen
the
public
hearing.
Are
we
okay
to
move
forward?
Okay,
so
we're
okay
to
move
forward
without
opening
the
public
hearing,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
to
everybody
in
the
audience.
If
anybody
was
here
to
speak
tonight,
so
the
public
hearing
has
been
closed.
A
So
at
this
point
anybody
here
is
just
a
audience
member
watching
the
proceedings
and
it's
not
appropriate
to
enter
into
any
kind
of
dialogue
with
the
applicant
or
the
Planning
Commission
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
cleared
all
right.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
comments
concerns
for
the
applicant
that
they
want
to
answer.
A
Thank
you
so
I'll.
E
Chairman
could
I
just
make
one
comment
just
for
the
record:
I
just
want
to
state
that
I
am
an
employee
of
the
Broome
County
Sheriff's,
Office
and
I
do
acknowledge
that
sheriff
act.
Shard
did
submit
a
letter.
Support
for
this
project.
I
didn't
write.
It
I
was
not
part
of
the
drafting
process,
but
I
considered
it
equally
alongside
every
other
public
comment
that
was
submitted
won't
affect
my
opinion
or
decision,
but
I
just
want
to
get
that
on.
The
record.
E
D
D
So
the
best
way
to
protect
yourself
and
any
decision
you
make
is
to
Simply
go
through
and
put
on
the
record
exactly
why
you
make
each
determination
as
to
each
fact
of
the
test
so
go
through
the
11
factors,
state
every
piece
of
evidence
you
rely
on
and
make
it
a
record.
So
that
supports
it.
The
question
the
court
will
be
asking
itself.
If
there
is
litigation
is,
did
you
make
a
rational
decision
and
a
rational
decision
generally
is
one
that's
based
upon
substantial
evidence
and
based
upon
facts
in
the
record.
D
If
there
was
something
said
in
the
record,
that
was
a
fact
that
you
didn't
find
credible
state
that
you
didn't
find
it
credible
and
why
you
didn't
find
it
credible
if
it's
something
you
did
find
credible
state
that,
while
you
found
it
credible
and
as
you
go
through
each
of
those
11
factors
make
sure
that
you
build
that,
so
that
that's
the
record
that
protects
you,
regardless
of
who
might
sue
you
or
if
that's
the
way
you
protect
the
is
where
you
protect
your
decisions.
All.
D
D
A
So
I'm
just
going
to
start
off
this
one
so
from
for
almost
all
of
these
answers
or
all
of
these
questions,
my
answer
is
going
to
be
about
the
same.
This
is
a
very
small
square
footage
in
a
much
larger
building.
The
number
of
people
that
they
are
talking
about
servicing
is
not
consistent
every
day.
It's
only
in
times
of
emergency
and
I.
A
Do
not
see
that
as
being
affecting
for
me,
I
can
just
say
right
now:
I,
don't
see
it
affecting
any
of
these
11
criteria,
but
I
guess
that's
a
starting
point
to
open
up
the
discussion
for
number
one.
G
I
guess
I'll
jump
in
I
have
have
heavily
weighed
this,
and
it
is
the
first
two
parts
of
the
proposal.
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
the
the
rest,
but
number
one
and
number
two
I
keep
coming
back
to
the
time
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
Nick
about
that.
How
often
and
the
frequency
but
I
keep
coming
back
to
people
coming
in
with
illegal
drugs
and
knives,
what
they
ever
they
be
with
some
some
criminal
backgrounds
and
then
being
released
in
the
morning.
G
While
there
are
Services
there
for
the
evening,
for
them
they
are
at
a
disadvantage
of
being
without
drugs
for
for
or
alcohol
it's
whatever.
G
It
is
at
some
of
these
people
and
handing
them
back
and
then
sending
them
into
the
population
for
a
little
bit
of
time
gives
me
a
great
amount
of
unease
and
I
do
think
that
I
mentioned
before
the
concept
of
it
being
like
musical
chairs
and
If
This
Were
an
opportunity
and
there's
going
to
be
a
three-day
cold
spell
I
know
why
I
wouldn't
leave
the
area
in
hopes
to
get
these
amazing
Services.
G
You
provide
and
I
think
that
would
cause
potential
problems
in
the
neighborhood
and
safety
of
the
community,
which
address
both
one
and
two.
Those
are
the
reasons
I
get
pause
to
this
project.
G
F
B
Well,
on
the
number
one
I
do
have
concerns
about
the
some
of
the
public
safety
concern
doubles
up
with
some
of
the
things
that
Kelly
just
mentioned,
and
also
at
the
last
meeting.
There
was
some
extensive
submissions
on
the
record
during
the
public
hearing,
including
a
lengthy
academic
Journal
article
that
discussed
the
relations
between
homeless,
shelters
and
criminal
activity
and
that
that
was
pretty
powerful.
A
E
I'll
say
a
lot
of
those
concerns
and
that
report
you
know,
weighed
heavily:
it's
not
an
easy
decision.
I
did
take
some
time
to
reach
out
to
some
members
of
law
enforcement
in
other
communities
that
recently
opened
similar
warming
stations.
I
asked
them,
you
know.
Did
this
have
a
positive
or
negative
effect
on
the
immediate
surrounding
community?
And
you
know
they
said
there
are
a
lot
of
good
things
about
warming
stations
in
general,
but
in
that
specific
location,
things
did
not
necessarily
improve.
We
got
more
calls.
A
H
F
Can
some
may
not
apply
also
so
like
like
Landscaping,
for
example,
there
there's
no
site
work
proposed
so
that
that
doesn't
apply.
So
you
can.
You
can
state
that
too,
okay.
A
I
guess,
since
we're
we're
talking
about
it
now,
I
I
didn't
find
the
source
of
that
article
to
be
very
credible.
It
seemed
like
somebody
was
searching
pretty
hard
to
find
an
article
that
was
against
what
we're
talking
about
today,
whereas
what
the
applicants
submitted
was
I
mean
the
New
York
Times
NBR
I
mean
just
places
you've
heard
of
without
having
to
look
into
where
they
were
from
I
I'm.
Just
not
familiar
with
that
journal.
B
A
Okay,
does
anybody
just
out
of
curiosity?
Is
anybody
familiar
with
what
that
source
is
or
did
I
I
didn't,
look
any
further,
I
didn't
I'm,
just
not
anybody
look
to
see
what
that
Source
actually
is.
Is
it
a
credible
Source
or
is
it
just
academic,
Journal,
yeah,
okay,
I'm,
just
curious
and
all
right
all
right,
so
that
was
number
one
and.
A
Anybody
want
to
talk
about
number
two
specifically,
or
did
we
kind
of
covered
that
with
number
one
property
values?
Is
that
a
concern,
or
is
it
tied
to
everybody's
concerns
about
number
one
safety.
A
G
And
and
property
values
more
safety,
but
I
think
that
if
it
were,
if
it
were,
if
I
were
looking
to
put
a
new
business
in
in
this
area
and
I
knew
that
this
warming
station
was
there
and
I
had
a
few
options.
I
probably
would
not
relocate
or
locate
a
business
in
the
same
area
for
concerns.
I
might
have
okay.
B
Like
Kelly
I
do
have
also
concerns
that
this
project
could
impact
property
values
in
the
label.
A
G
F
And
one
thing
is
just
for
the
record:
the
the
source
of
that
that's
that
scholarly
article
was
the
Journal
of
experimental
criminology,
which
is
out
out
of
George
Mason
University.
Originally
it's
a
peer-reviewed
journal
and
there
were
in
that
same
packet.
There
was
an
article
from
the
daily
historian.
F
What's
that
the
daily
historian,
which
is
a
a
local
paper,
I
believe
in
Astoria
Queens,
so
those
are
the
two
two
things.
A
All
right
number
three:
is
the
proposed
proposal
compatible
with
existing
adjoining
development.
A
Had
yeah
yeah,
so
this
it's
a
good
reminder
yeah.
So
this
is
again
we're
only
considering
the
2000
square
foot
Mormon
station
when
the
rest
of
the
building
it'll
come
back
as
a
separate
review,
I
assume
but
so
yeah.
So
it's
just
the
just.
This
warming
station
portion
of
the
building.
B
A
That's
really
not
part
of
this
submission,
so
we
can
probably
skip
number
four
is
adequate
off-street
parking
and
loading
provided
the
applicant
noted
they
have
way
more
parking
than
they
need.
Oh
Christopher,
I.
B
Just
do
want
to
ask
this
to
Sarah
and
Carmelo
on
the
record
at
the
previous
public
hearing
someone
one
of
the
speakers
was
just
there's.
Some
sort
of
disputes
about
parking
and
encroaching
on
other
property
owners
is
just
so
we
can
clear
the
air
on
that.
Are
there
any
kind
of
ongoing
legal
disputes
with
any
neighbors
about
parking
cars
in
somebody
else's
law
land
that.
C
There
are
not
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
the
site
plan
available
to
you,
but
there's
the
building
that
fronts
on
Clinton
Street
with
parking
behind
it
I
believe
that
individual
owns
a
parcel,
then
adjacent
to
that,
and
then
acbc
owned.
Another
parking
lot
beyond
that.
C
So
I'm
not
sure
what
the
nature
of
his
objection
is
in
his
parcel.
There
are
a
number
of
junk
vehicles
and
trailers,
and
you
know
we
believe
people
are
living
there,
but
we
don't
interact
with
that
at
all
that
be
fair.
A
All
right
all
right
number
six
is
egress
and
Ingress
to
parking
and
loading
areas
designed
as
to
minimize
the
number
of
curb
cuts
and
not
unduly
interfere
with
traffic
or
abutting
streets.
We're
not
really
making
any
changes
so
number
seven.
Does
the
proposed
site
development,
minimize
erosion
and
surface
water
runoff
onto
a
budding
properties,
so
this
application
didn't
address
any
changes
to
the
site
work.
A
So
that's
not
a
factor.
Our
existing
public
streets
and
utilities
servicing
the
site
adequate
I.
Think
that's
really
not
a
factor
on
this
review.
Will
significant
existing
vegetation
be
preserved
to
the
extent
practicable
same
thing?
No
sight
changes
are
being
proposed,
so
it's
not
a
factor.
Is
there
adequate
lighting
of
the
site
and
parking
areas
proposed
and
our
exterior
lighting
sources
designed
and
located
so
they
produce
minimal
glare
or
on
adjacent
properties?
I
B
C
I
guess,
from
our
perspective,
in
hearing
your
deliberation
and
your
conversation,
the
question
I
would
pose
is
if
the
applicant
were
to
come
back
with
another
location
on
Clinton
Street.
What
would
make
it
different
than
it
being
here
recognizing
that
it
is
a
special
permit
use
and
not
a
prohibited
use?
C
That's
that's
the
area
that
I'm
struggling
with.
So,
if
I'm
hearing
there's
there's
concern
about
you
know
drug
use
and
criminal
backgrounds,
and
things
like
that.
What
that
sounds
like
to
me
is
it's
the
activity
itself.
That
seems
to
be
the
objection,
not
necessarily
the
location
of
the
activity
in
this
particular
building
and
I
guess
what
I'm
struggling
with
is
since
this
use
is
a
use
permitted
by
special
permit
all
along
Clinton
Street.
C
What
could
be
done
to
remove
that
concern,
and
if
the
answer
is
nothing
could
be
done
to
remove
that
concern
then
essentially
you're
saying
that
this
use
is
not
allowed
in
any
place
that
it
could
be
Allowed
by
special
permit.
So
there
are
no
conditions
which
you
can
impose.
That
would
alleviate
your
concern
and
I.
Just
I
think
that's
an
interesting
conversation
to
have.
F
G
That's
I'm
so
sorry
they're
so
loud
I.
That
is
one
of
the
things
that
I
was
going
to
State
it
it
more
is
I.
Don't
I,
don't
like
that
that
after
the
day
you
know
in
the
morning
they
head
out
with
these
things,
but
I
think
and
I'm,
not
saying
Clinton
straight
I'm,
just
saying
for
it
to
be
something
that
we
would
go
forward,
that
I
would
feel
comfortable
going
forward
with
I
would
want
it
to
be
in
a
location
where
it
didn't
have
as
much
residential
activity
where
there
weren't
kids
walking
to
school.
G
C
No
no
I
I
get
that,
but
when
you
think
about
this
location,
which
again
is
an
industrial
district,
it's
not
even
in
a
residential
district
and
I
think
the
testimony
that
was
given
at
the
last
meeting
was
that
the
closest
residence
is
two
and
a
half
football
fields
away
and
there's
no
outlet
for
pedestrians.
When
you
go
in
that
direction
in
terms
of
public
transportation,
there's
no
schools
located
there.
It's
not
a
school
route.
C
Are
there
kids
walking
up
to
Clinton,
Street
I,
don't
know
I
I
did
not
hear
any
testimony
with
respect
to
that
on
the
record
and
I
think
that
you
know
we've
already
the
testimony
that
is
on
the
record.
Is
that
we'll
be
providing
a
shuttle
service
to
take
residents
from
the
location
to
social
service
agencies
located
in
other
areas?
C
I
didn't
I,
didn't
hear
a
lot
of
information
about.
You
know,
kids,
walking
by
that
area,.
G
Did
I'm
not
sure
which
meeting
but
one
of
the
public
hearings
we
did
have
a
mom
who
came
with
her
two
kids
and
had
said
that
they
were
walkers
in
the
neighborhood,
and
that
was
a
concern
and
that's
something
that's
that's
held
up
with
me.
You
know,
that's
been
a
concern
of
mine
and
that's
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
we
have
some
information
on
that.
If
anybody
knows
more
clearly.
A
A
B
I'll,
give
you
my
honest,
candid
feedback.
For
me,
this
is
not
about
where
the
application,
whether
this
Project's
going
into
that
particular
location
or
someone
else
on
the
map.
That's
within
this
special
zoning
area,
my
concern
is
having
read
the
application
and
the
project,
as
it's
developed
and
presented
to
us,
we'll
take
out
the
street
address
right
now
that
application
does
not
meet
those
11
things
for
me
and
does
not
address
my
concern.
C
C
B
D
D
C
Right-
and
that
seems
to
be
the
actually
the
whole
point
of
a
special
permit
right
conditions
are
that's
the
job
of
the
reviewing
board
to
look
at
the
use
which
is
theoretically
okay
and
imposed
conditions
to
make
it
acceptable
to
you.
Are
there
any
conditions?
I
guess,
that's
my
question:
are
there
any
conditions
under
which
this
would
be
acceptable
to
you.
B
Yes,
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
blanket,
no
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
explain
is
resubmitting
this
in
six
months,
but
with
a
different
street
address
is
not
going
to
be,
others
may
feel
differently,
but
it's
not
a
question
of
no
here,
but
yes
at
118,
Clinton
Street.
That's
not
the
answer
for
me,
but
I
will
say
this.
I
am
not
an
expert
on
delivering
these
types
of
services
or
running
these
types
of
warming.
B
D
F
C
G
Get
myself
in
a
sticky
situation
here,
but
we
can
just
see
how
we
were
talking
about
security,
not
being
here
as
we
walked
in
and
I
know.
It's
such
a
trivial
thing,
but
a
long
time
ago,
I
worked
for
a
distributor
for
a
wine
company.
I
was
taking
my
son
to
look
at
colleges.
I
had
three
wine
openers.
They
took
them
at
security,
I'm
not
going
to
hurt
anybody
with
them.
They
didn't
give
them
back
to
me
it's
different
but
you're,
giving
anything
back,
you're
holding
it
and
then
you're,
giving
it
back
in
the
morning.
G
So
if
I
were
to
have
had
some
sort
of
drug
with
me
now
they're
not
giving
it
back
to
me
when
I
leave
here,
they're,
not
giving
me
back
something
so
I
might
be
in
an
agitated
state
in
the
morning
without
any
more
services
right,
then
you
guys
do
a
great
job,
but
if
it
ends
in
the
morning
for
right,
then
and
them-
and
they
have
this
with
them.
That
is
my
concern
that
we're
putting
them
back
in
the
street.
G
C
I
I
can
tell
you,
since
we've
started
the
comfort
center
at
United
Presbyterian,
since
April
27th
being
open
five
nights
a
week
we
haven't
had
one
person
bring
in
drugs,
we
haven't
had
one
person
bring
in
a
weapon,
so
I
mean
I
appreciate
that
we
could
change
that
policy.
That
could
be
an
acceptable
condition
that
we
will
not
return
any
Contraband
or
anything
that
could
be
dangerous.
G
I
Absolutely
I
think
you
know
much
of
what
we
do
now
involves
harm
reduction
and
trying
to
keep
people
safe
and
just
trying
to
keep
them
warm.
But
if
we
need
to
be,
you
know
more
rigid
around
potential,
Contraband
and
kind
of
making
sure
that
that's
permanently
you
know
removed
from
the
community,
we're
very
willing
to
do
that.
A
So
if
they
were
to
amend
their
let's
say,
parameters
for
of
their
application
tonight
and
make
that
a
conditional
approval
does
that
change
anybody's
thoughts
on
how
they
were
thinking
about
voting
or
is
there
anything
else
they
could
do
that
would
alleviate
the
concerns
of
the
four
items
on
the
species.
Permit
checklist.
A
C
I
think
that
anybody
would
see
that
type
of
a
condition-
and
you
know
I'm
the
stupid
lawyer,
so
I
write
stuff
down.
But
you
know
the
courts
have
been
really
clear
about
things
being
about
conditions
being
reasonable
and
directly
related
to
your
concerns
and
I
I.
Don't
think
anyone
would
argue
that
that
is
a
reasonable
condition
which
is
related
to
your
concern.
C
H
H
H
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
word
I
want
to
use,
but
I
don't
want
to
use
it.
You
know
I
I,
just
it
disturbs
me
that
the
the
businesses
feel
so
neglected
in
General,
Clinton
Street.
They,
the
feeling
is
Clinton
Street
has
gone
downhill,
badly
and
I
think
that's
hurting
the
whole.
What
you're
trying
to
do
I
mean
if
you
know
I.
H
H
B
E
B
And
not
that
I
want
to
be
a
dead
horse
on
this
area
and
Carmella,
but
I
I
do
want
to
just
reiterate
that
at
last
the
last
public
hearing
there
were
numerous
advocates
in
favor
of
this
project,
many
which
self-identified
as
acbc
staffers,
yeah
and
clients
who
again
were
vocally,
indifferent
and
or
hostile
to
the
local
businesses.
B
C
I
I,
don't
disagree
with
you,
you
know
not.
Everyone
is
as
sophisticated
as
you
and
I
are
sitting
here
doing
this
month
after
month,
understanding
the
process,
understanding
the
respect
that
we
each
have
for
each
other
in
terms
of
the
process
that
we
have
to
go
through
some
people,
it's
their
first
experience,
they're
young.
You
know,
I,
think
that
I
think
it's
a
comment
well
placed,
but
not
one
that
isn't
easily
controlled
by
those
people
who
are
in
charge
of
the
organization
and
can
manage
that
moving
forward
and
I.
C
Think
in
terms
of
letters
of
recommendation,
I
was
happy
that
that
the
letter
from
the
sheriff's
department
and
the
sheriff
himself
was
mentioned,
but
there
are
many
many
letters
in
in
favor,
11
or
12.
You
know
and
they're
listed
in
your
packet
that
we
provided
for
you.
C
You
know
it's
not
just
it's
not
just
our
people
coming
out
saying
this
is
a
great
service.
Many
of
our
people
have
been
through
the
acbc
programs
and
so
they're
quite
passionate
about
them
and
anything
that
can
be
done
to
sort
of
help.
Other
people
in
the
future
they're
going
to
be
passionate
about,
but
I
I
think
I
think
other
than
perhaps
that
article,
which
I
did
not
myself
delve
deeply
into
I,
would
characterize
what
you
have
heard
in
the
community,
both
for
and
against
other
than
the
professional
that
provided.
C
You
information
it
really
just
generalized
Community
opposition
and
fear
of
the
unknown
fear
of
development,
fear
of
anything
changing
in
the
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
not
something
you
all
are
unfamiliar
with
for
sure,
because
I
am
not
unfamiliar
with
it
and
we
work
together
a
lot.
C
So
everyone
who
spoke,
almost
everyone
who
spoke
in
opposition,
acknowledged
the
need
for
a
facility
the
need
for
some
opportunity
to
bring
people
out
of
the
fold,
but
just
not
there,
which
is
typically,
you
know
not
in
my
backyard,
if
not
there,
I
I,
you
know
it's
a
question
to
think
about
where
and
where
is
the
right
play
to
protect
people
from
freezing
overnight?
Is
that
you
know
all
in
downtown
Binghamton?
C
Is
it
not
where
people
are
have
access
to
Services
have
are
able
to
walk
it's
easy
to
stay,
not
here,
but
but
but
where
where's
the
right
place,
probably
there's
you
know
there
needs
to
be
a
lot
of
right
places,
and
you
know
Clinton
Street
is
a
mix
of
industrial
uses.
In
this
case
you
know,
businesses
housing
it.
C
You
know
why
why
not
here?
Why
not
here
in
an
industrial
area
that
you
know
is
properly
zoned
for
it
again
we're
not
we're
not
sitting
before
you
as
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
and
a
youth
variant
and
having
to
show
you
know
that
the
benefit
outweighs
the
detriment
in
terms
of
of
a
very
strict
criteria
right.
This
is
much
more
flexible
process
and
so
I
guess
again,
I
asked
you
what
conditions
we
are.
We
are
happy
to
take
on
the
condition
that
you've
mentioned.
H
Yeah,
so
these
people-
and
maybe
you've
already
mentioned
this
I-
are
they
are
they
do
you
expect
most
of
these
people
to
already
be
there
and
they're
gonna
they're
gonna
walk
into
the
warming
Center
or
are
they
being
transported
from
other
areas
in
the
city
to
the
warning
center.
I
We
were
considering,
you
know,
being
able
to
go
pick
people
up
at
designated
locations
because
it's
cold
and
we
wouldn't
want
people
walking
far.
So
we
were
thinking
about
having
pickup
spots
at
the
library
at
DSS,
but
just
to
respond
a
little
bit
more
to
your
point.
Chris.
Now
that
my
office
is
in
the
building
almost
every
morning
you
can
see
spots
on
Clinton,
Street
or
right
off
of
Clinton
Street,
where
people
are
camping
out
and
kind
of
tented
like
it
is
a
very
good
location
for
this
service.
I
Not
all
neighbors
are
upset
that
we're
there.
Some
of
the
individuals
kind
of
more
in
our
immediate
footprint
and
businesses
are
happy
and
we've
been
able
to
kind
of
go
over
and
do
trainings
and
have
some
Outreach
one
of
the
businesses
that
spoke
out
in
opposition.
Actually,
we
were
supposed
to
meet
and
he
wasn't
able
to
come
because
he
had
a
staffing
issue
like
I
think
that
those
things
could
be
worked
out
and
it
would
be
fine
and
we're
going
to
bring
a
lot
to
that
neighborhood
and
the
building's
going
to
be
beautiful.
I
We
also
have
clients
that
are
kids,
so
you
know
70
of
our
clients.
Right
now
are
kids,
so
they're
going
to
be
upstairs
or
in
the
building
at
some
point.
So
of
course
we
want
to
keep
things
as
safe
as
possible,
and
just
historically
acbc's
Clinic
and
Main
operations
have
been
at
30
West
Main
Street
in
the
colonial
Plaza.
We've
shared
that
space
with
many
other
businesses
that
included
the
Girl
Scouts
action
for
older
persons,
Wilson
Dental
right
now,
Elmcrest
children's
Case,
Management
Services
are
downstairs.
We
don't
have
metal
detectors
there.
I
I
My
staff
were
really
speaking
from
the
heart
and
and
some
of
the
language
could
have
been
better
but
I'm
I'm,
very
proud
of
them
for
being
advocates
for
this
population,
because
they're,
like
heartfelt
examples
of
what
happens
when
people
do
get
resources
and
support.
C
I
A
All
right
so
I
guess
the
the
next
question
would
be
to
the
applicant.
Do
you
want
us
to
move
forward
with
a
vote?
Do
you
want
to
reconsider
after
hearing
comments
tonight?
Do
you
want
to
reconsider
your
application
modifications?
Are
you
comfortable
with
what
you've
got
and
it's
not
going
to
get
any
better
or
changes
that
would
address
any
of
the
concerns
that
you're
worried
about
or
well.
C
Acbc
owns
the
building,
so
in
terms
of
location
I,
can't
we
can't
change
that
we
we
can
acquire
another
building
on
Clinton
Street.
The
building
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
one
that's
right
across
from
the
boys
and
girls
club
that
the
Mental
Health
Association
I
believe
that
without
photos
see
what
does
that
mean.
C
C
In
terms
of
conditions,
I
mean
we
can't
change
the
basics
of
of
the
operation.
It's
a
warming
station.
It's
only
open,
maybe
five
months
of
a
year,
it's
only
40
people
we're
not
talking
about
bringing
4,
000
homeless.
People
to
this
area,
we're
talking,
40.
C
I'm,
not
I'm,
struggling
to
figure
out
I
mean
my
instinct
is
to
say
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
enough
votes
right
now,
so
don't
vote,
but
I.
Don't
think
that
asking
you
not
to
vote
is
going
to
fundamentally
be
able
to
change
anything
I,
don't
I'm,
not
hearing.
You
say
that
there's
anything
we
could
change
other
than
the
activity
itself.
A
F
F
A
F
Difference
started
on
August
1st.
A
A
So
the
only
other
thing
that
I've
heard
while
we've
been
talking
about
all
this,
is
that
something
more
along
the
lines
of
a
secured
facility
with
a
fence
and
a
in-out
guards
to
protect.
So
if
somebody
left
in
the
middle
of
the
night,
they
couldn't
just
walk
down,
Clinton
Street
into
the
neighborhood
they'd
be
monitored.
A
Is
there
anything
like
that?
You've
done
anywhere
or
any
other
precedence
anybody's
ever
done?
That
I
mean
it's
almost
more
like
a
jail
facility
where
you're
you're
in
for
the
night
and
you're
not
leaving,
and
no
we're
monitoring
you
after
you
leave
to
make
sure
you
don't
mess
with
something.
As
you
leave.
C
Again,
it's
not
a
jail,
it's
a
voluntary
facility.
We
we
want
people
to
come
in
if
they're,
cold
and
freezing
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
to
do
that.
A
C
I
mean
another
condition
that
I
can
think
of.
Just
you
know,
thinking
about
our
great
police
department
and
the
support
the
sheriff
has
already
shown
is
perhaps
hiring
someone
to
be
present
in
the
morning
outside
the
facility
when
people
are
leaving
just
to
sort
of
clear
the
area
and
make
sure
you
know,
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
hire
people
to
Trail
people
all
over
the
place,
but
to
just
make
sure
there's
no
congregation
happening,
and
then
people
are
moving
along
on
their
way.
C
A
E
A
A
Okay,
all
right,
I'll
make
a
motion
that
the
requirements
for
special
use
permit
have
been
met
with
the
conditions
that
Kelly
mentioned
about
actually
Kelly.
Could
you
help
me
remember
what
you
were
thinking
about.
G
The
commission,
the
conditions
I
mentioned,
were
not
reallowing
any
weapons
to
stay
with
them
when
they
were
drugs
or
paraphernalia
when
they
leave
that
have
been
brought
in
by
them
in
the
morning.
Okay
I
think
that
was
is.
D
G
F
The
way
we
would
word
it,
if
that
were
a
condition,
would
probably
be
that
any
illegal
items
taken
from
from
clients
on
intake
would
not
be
returned
would
be
seized.
That.
G
A
A
A
B
G
A
Right,
I'll,
second,
all
right,
second,
by
Manny,
all
in
favor,
all
right,
that's
four
in
favor
all
opposed
one
opposed
all
right,
so
the
application
yes
for
the
record,
the
chairman
is
the
only
one
against
it.
So
all
right,
so
that's
a
denial
of
the
application
all
right
well.
Thank
you.
F
F
D
A
So
that
was
the
only
item
on
the
agenda,
although
other
businesses
always
on
the
agenda,
anybody
have
any
other
business.
They
want
to
talk
about
tonight,
foreign.
A
All
right
motion
to
adjourn
made
by
Chris
seconded
by
Kelly
and
Manny,
all
in
favor
aye,
all
right,
five
in
favor
zero
post.
Thank
you.