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From YouTube: 2022.02.14 Planning Commission
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00:01:50 Call to Order
00:11:40 Public Hearing - 16 Riverside Drive
00:20:50 Other Business - 159.5 N. Griswold Street Billboard
D
E
F
G
F
B
B
B
All
right
next
item
on
our
agenda
secret
determinations
in
this
portion
of
our
meeting,
the
planning
commission
will
be
reviewing
documentation
provided
by
applicants.
For
the
first
time,
applicants
will
be
called
to
the
microphone
where
they
will
be
asked
to
make
a
presentation
describing
their
plans
to
the
commission
and
commission
members
may
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
B
C
B
I'll
read,
really
slow
all
right
so
for
public
hearings
in
this
portion
of
our
meeting
we'll
be
holding
open
public
hearings
to
obtain
public
opinion
in
regard
to
specific
projects
that
are
up
for
review,
applicants
will
be
asked
to
come
to
the
microphone
and
make
a
brief
presentation
describing
their
project
for
most
projects.
This
is
the
second
time
we're
reviewing
your
information,
so
it'd
be
very
helpful.
B
If
you
could,
please
give
us
a
brief
overview
of
your
project
to
remind
us
what
you're,
planning
and
then
clearly
identify
any
changes
that
have
been
made
since
the
last
time.
We
saw
you
when
the
applicant
is
done
presenting
and
any
clarifications
have
been
reviewed.
We
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
allow
members
of
the
community
to
speak
about
the
applicant's
proposal
after
the
commission
has
heard
from
our
community
members
from
all
community
members
interested
in
speaking
tonight.
B
The
public
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
commission
will
delivery
to
our
applicants
when
your
project
name
is
called.
Please
come
to
the
microphone
and
start
off
by
giving
your
name
and
address
of
any
members
of
the
applicant's
team
that
are
planning
to
speak
and
to
anyone
from
the
community
that
we
will
be
calling
in
tonight
in
regard
to
a
project.
If
you
could,
please
start
off
by
telling
us
your
name
and
address
for
our
public
records,
that
would
be
great.
B
B
And
unfortunately,
calls
can't
be
queued.
So
if
you
do
get
a
busy
signal
when
you
call
in
if
you
could,
please
just
wait
a
minute
and
try
again
we're
taking
calls
in
the
order
that
they're
received
and
you
should
be
able
to
get
through
in
a
minute
or
two.
If
you'd
like
to
call
in
and
get
a
busy
signal.
C
C
C
B
A
H
B
A
E
B
All
right
here
we
go
all
right,
so
our
first
and
only
public
hearing
tonight
is
for
the
applicant
robin
alpaul.
This
is
a
the
project.
Address
is
16
riverside
drive,
and
this
is
a
site
plan
review
and
special
use
permit
to
allow
a
home
bed
and
breakfast
containing
four
guest
rooms.
In
a
single
unit
dwelling
in
the
c5
neighborhood
commercial
district,
it
looks
like
robin.
Are
you
on
the
go.
I
Yes,
I
am
good
evening,
everyone
just
very
quickly-
I
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
much
to
explain
but
I've
always
kind
of
wanted
to
be
in
my
own
business
as
a
small
business
person
and
the
opportunity
with
airbnb
becoming
very
popular.
I
I've
you
know
looked
into
that
and
it
just.
It
seemed
like
an
interesting
thing
that
I
wanted
to
pursue.
I
B
I
Sure
so
I
got
a
notice
in
the
mail
saying
that
that
I
needed
to
have
site
plan
approval
because
it
hadn't
been
listed
as
a
special
use
facility.
I
wasn't
aware
of
that.
Certainly
if
I
had
known
that
before
getting
started,
I
would
have
done
that,
but
immediately
acted
and
contacted
you
know
code
and
then
planning
and
submitted
the
paperwork
and
pictures
and
a
site
plan.
So
yeah
I
was
notified
and
I
responded.
I
I
B
D
G
F
I
F
B
Yeah,
this
is
great
all
right.
Well,
let's
do
this,
let's
open
the
public
hearing
and
see
if
anybody
calls
in
about
the
project
and
then
we'll
check
back
in
all
right.
So
this
is
the
public
hearing
for
the
applicant
robin
elpal.
The
project
address
is
16
riverside
drive,
and
this
is
a
site
plan
review
and
special
use
permit
to
allow
home
bed
and
breakfast
containing
four
guest
rooms
and
a
single
unit
dwelling
in
the
c5
neighborhood
commercial
district.
B
C
C
C
B
B
C
B
B
J
J
J
J
We
asked
the
right
questions
at
that
time
about
change
in
grade,
because
we
wanted
the
sign
to
be
visible
and
we
got
the
appropriate
response.
You
know
you
know
x
amount
of
feet
and
we
planned
accordingly
well
fast
forward.
What
wasn't
on
those
original
drawings
were
the
noise
barriers
and
they
were
unilaterally
put
up,
and
so
we
thought
we
had
to
work
with
mentality
with
the
d.o.t
and
approach
them
again,
and
we
thought
we
were
at
a
working
rapport
with
them
and
we
thought
we'd
get
some
relief
financially.
J
So
in
the
meantime
we
feel
like
we
don't
the
the
financial
burden
required
to
raise
the
three
locations
on
our
own
is
prohibitive,
and
yet
we
do
have
room
for
one
digital
sign,
that
is
on
the
159
and
a
half
north
griswold,
and
we
already
have
in
place
one
digital
facing
eastbound
or
southbound
traffic
and
we'd
like
to
back
that
other
side
up
and
put
a
digital
on
that
virtually
identical
to
the
one.
That's
west
eastbound
there
would
be
no
change
in
the
structure.
J
J
D
C
I
haven't
I'll
talk
to
the
address
side.
It's
it's
under
for
recommendation.
Under
this,
such
billboards
are
technically
prohibited
under
our
statute,
unless
they
are
approved
by
city
council
city
councils
are
required
to
come
to
the
planning
commission
to
get
a
recommendation
of
approval
or
disapproval
or
an
approval
with
conditions
from
the
planning
commission
before
they
act
on
it.
C
D
J
No,
it's
actually.
The
structure
is
about
70
feet
tall
and
there
are
two
sides
to
the.
There
are
two
face:
sign
faces,
one
facing
east
and
one
facing
west.
The
one
facing
east
is
a
static
board
and
we
change
that
with
vinyls.
We
have
people
climb
up
and
take
down.
What's
there
and
put
up
a
new
message
and
that's:
we
call
that
a
static
board.
J
D
Understood
and
just
so
that
all
of
us
on
the
planning
commission
have
the
background
we
need
when
the
eventual
wrestling
match
between
your
bosses
and
the
governor
is
finished
about.
What's
going
to
happen
with
the
other
three
locations
and
the
finance
remuneration
is
the
goal
to
then
raise
all
three
of
those
other
locations
to
a
I'll
call
them
a
taller
level,
so
that
all
three
are
then,
above
the
surprise,
sound
barriers
or
is
the
goal
just
to
walk
away
with
a
big
cash.
C
J
D
C
D
Well,
my
my
last
question,
for
you
would
just
be
as
you've
worked
with
city
hall,
the
mayor's
office
and
now
eventually
with
the
city
council's
the
next
step.
I
I
guess
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
these
questions
about
the
other
three
is,
I
just
don't
know
if
there's
if
the
city
has
rules
about
their
being
for
like
where
are
we
phrasing?
It
too
many
billboards
and
I
don't
want
to
have
you
get
caught.
D
You
know
with
like
well
great.
You
got
all
this
stuff
to
fix
these
other
three
billboards
on
broad
ad
and
beverage
street,
but
that
surprise
we
don't
want
all
these
billboards,
I'm
not
sure
what
your
negotiations
have
been
with
the
city.
You
know,
since
I
just
remember
the
planning
commission.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
was
on
your
radar.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
So
far
I
mean
we
have
interacted.
I
can't
you
know,
I
don't
know
the
I've
done
this
for
a
long
time
and
I
always
don't
know
the
ground
rules
and
that's
the
truth.
We
have
interacted
with
city
hall
and
I
don't
I
don't
think
they
would
be
collectively
in
the
place
of
unduly
withholding
approval
of
this.
J
B
All
right
well,
we've
recently
had
a
considerable
change
in
personnel
on
the
planning
commission.
So
back
when
I
started
on
the
planning
commission,
we
had
several
presentations,
so
this
is
going
back
probably
ten
years
ago.
At
this
point
and
back
then
much
across
the
board,
we
were
a
commission
that
was
a
against
the
billboards.
B
There
was
a
group
that
had
been
formed
to
make
recommendations
and
they'd
come
up
with
a
basically
a
document,
or
they
worked
it
into
the
zoning
that
billboards
were
not
desirable
in
the
city
and
they'd
like
to
put
a
stop
to
any
new
ones.
It
didn't
really
address
the
existing
ones
that
didn't
ask
for
them
to
be
taken
down,
but
that
was
their
recommendation
and
so
for
a
while
a
couple
years,
any
potential
new
billboards
came
up
and
they
were,
the
recommendation
to
city
council
was
usually
done.
B
I
don't
remember
whether
city
council
followed
that
recommendation
back
then,
but
at
least
that's
what
the
planning
commission's
recommendation
usually
was
and
then
and
then
there
was
a
change
in
a
lot
of
the
personnel
on
the
planning
commission
and
the
new
members.
Kind
of
the
whole
opinion
shifted,
and
I
think,
probably
for
the
last
five
years.
B
But
since
we
do
have
a
new
group
of
people,
I
will
just
I'll
put
my
reasons
out
there.
Again,
I'm
not
putting
this
on
anybody
else.
Everybody
has
their
own
reasons,
but
certainly
I
think
it's
new
members
I'd
be
amiss
if
I
didn't
point
out
why
I'm
against
the
billboards,
so
specifically
this
this
one
and
again
paul
this
is-
has
never
been
personal
to
you
or
park
outdoor.
It's
just
my
view
on
billboards
in
general.
B
So,
especially
with
the
the
new
digital
boards,
the
regular
boards
were,
you
know,
they're,
not
great
in
my
opinion,
but
the
digital
boards,
I'm
even
more
against
so
there's
there's
safety
factors.
I'm
sure
there's
lots
of
lots
of
information
from
the
sign
companies
about
safety,
but
the
it's
becoming
as
digital
billboards
become
more
and
more
prominent
studies
about
the
distracted
drivers
with
digital
billboards,
so
digital
billboards
are
specifically
designed
to
be
brighter
to
be
to
make
it
so
that
you
can't
avoid
looking
at
them.
B
H
B
100
solid
but
in
my
opinion,
switching
to
the
digital
boards,
where
they're
shifting
what's
on
them
every
eight
seconds
and
they're,
specifically
designed
to
be
bright
and
unavoidable
and
catch
your
attention.
This
is
safety
is
certainly
a
factor
for
me
and
then
the
other
thing.
So
we're
already
inundated
with
advertising
24
7
in
our
normal
lives,
our
phones,
our
text,
messages
ads
on
tvs,
anything
we're
watching
youtube.
B
I
don't
buy
into
that
only
because
we
have
a
little
pocket
news
source
on
us
at
all
times
where
we
would
get
that
information
and
trust
it
much
more
than
than
a
digital
billboard
driving
by
on
the
highway
and,
to
be
honest,
we
were
on
a
trip
not
too
long
ago
down
in
philadelphia
area
and
there
there
was
an
amber
alert
and
all
of
the
digital
boards
that
we
drove
by
down.
There
have
nothing
about
the
amber
alert
on
them.
B
For
this,
this
particular
location
for
the
billboard,
this
particular
billboard
is
one
of
the
very
first
things
you're
going
to
see
when
you
come
down
the
hill
into
the
city
on
I-81,
I'm
not
super
in
favor
of
promoting
that
the
first
thing
people
see
a
new
visitor
sees
as
they
enter.
The
city
of
binghamton
is
an
advertisement
for
coors
light.
B
It
made
the
recommendation
that
no
new
billboards
should
be
erected.
It
allowed
the
ones
that
were
there.
I
think
that
was
part
of
the
compromise
was
that
you
know
we've
got
quite
a
few
billboards
already.
We
don't
really
need
a
ton
more.
I
don't
see
that
anything
has
really
changed
since
those
recommendations
were
made.
B
So
if
anybody
has
driven
by
that
sign
the
new
digital
sign,
that's
on
north
shore
drive
right
near
the
stadium
man.
Oh
man
is
that
thing
bright
and
in
your
face
as
soon
as
it
comes
into
view,
this
billboard
along
the
side
of
the
81,
is
going
to
be
very
similar
to
the
that
billboard.
Only
it's
I'm
not
sure
how
many
times
bigger
this
one
would
be
versus
that
one.
B
I
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
be
looking
out
for
my
house
on
beverage
street
gaylord
street
bigelow
street,
especially
in
the
winter,
when
there's
no
foliage
to
block
the
the
brightness
of
that
sign.
It's
the
signs
visible
from
those
those
streets.
So
I
just
recommend
anybody
take
a
look
at
a
google
map.
B
H
B
Those
are
my
reasons
against
the
digital
signs
and
billboards
again,
it's
nothing
personal
to
park
outdoor.
It's
just
my
take
on
it.
I
often
think
of
driving
down
around
philadelphia
anywhere
between
like
harrisburg
and
baltimore,
along
those
highways
and
just
the
the
impression
of
being
on
those
streets
and
just
being
constantly
inundated
with
billboard
after
billboard
after
billboard.
B
It
just
feels
gross
to
me
so
I'd
hate
for
that
to
become
a
thing
in
binghamton,
and
so
that's
why
my
recommendation
would
be
against
it,
but
I'm
just
one
person,
I'm
sorry
that
took
so
long,
but
I
just
thought
it
was
appropriate
to
reiterate
my
concerns
against
the
billboards.
So
I'll
leave
it
to
everybody
else.
To
take
up
the
discussion
from
here.
J
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
and
first
and
foremost,
I've
never
taken
it
personally,
nick
you
and
I
we
smile
and
shake
hands
and
the
last
time
we
had
a
vote.
You
were
the
one
person
voting
against
it
and
you
were
saying
nothing,
personal,
big
smile
on
your
face
and
we
shook
hands
and
and
I'm
wired
that
way
as
well.
So
it's
not
personal,
so
I
do.
You
are
very
well
prepared
for
this,
so
I'm
a
little
I
have
to
go
with.
J
J
If
so,
brightness
is
one
the
motion
or
anything
like
that.
It
that's
another
reason.
There's
a
third
one,
that's
slipping
my
mind,
but
all
in
all
the
the
the
state
and
the
city
have
rights.
If
there's
anything
that
happens,
we
don't
want
to
put
up
enough.
You
know
an
unsafe
sign
who
would
who,
in
their
right
mind,
would
so
I
really
do
want
to
take
issue
with
it
being
a
safety
concern.
That
is
not
not
not
truced.
It's
not
true
in
in
study.
J
J
If
it
gets
dark
out,
it's
like
the
candle
in
the
night
it
dulls
down
so
that
it
isn't
bright.
It
is
not
the
same
as
an
on-premise
sign,
which
has
no
regulations
like
that,
and
off-premise
sign
is
highly
regulated,
so
I
would
take
issue
with
it
being
compared
to
just
any
sign.
That's
not
true,
and
I
I
would
invite
you
instead
of
looking
at
you
know
a
picture
or
google
earth
or
something
go
drive.
It
go
drive
it
at
night
or
day
it
isn't.
J
J
J
D
I
hey
this
is
chris,
actually
I'm
not
as
prepared
as
you
are.
I
guess
just
generally
I
I
guess
I
don't
have
concerns
with
since
we're
not
adding
any
additional
faces,
and
I
can
understand
there
might
be
concerns
if
we're
gonna
go
from
three
billboards
to
six
billboards
or
something,
but
all
we're
gonna
be
doing
in
this
case
is
recommending
that
we're
changing
from
a
static
to
a
digital
board,
and
I
have
no
problem
with
that.
D
C
Before
you
put
a
motion
on
the
floor,
can
I
ask
one
more
question,
mr
simmons?
Mr
simonette,
I
I
my
recollection
is
that
you
refer
to
these
as
the
sheet
size
of
the
boards.
Is
there
any
difference
in
the
square
in
the
sheet
size
or
in
the
number
of
square
feet,
from
the
existing
face
to
the
proposed
digital
face.
J
C
G
H
B
B
B
A
vision
statement
has
been
drafted
which
identifies
the
brandywine
corridor
as
an
important
gateway
where
the
community
seeks
to
promote
high
quality
urban
design.
Permitting
these
signs
would
run
contrary
to
this
vision.
Statement
would
add
to
the
signed
collateral
on
the
brand
doing
corridor
and
adversely
affect
the
community
character
and
the
last
thing
the
site
plan
for
the
proposed
project
should
include
photos
of
the
existing
east-facing
static,
sign
and
photo
simulations
of
the
proposed
east-facing
digital
sign,
viewed
from
the
highway
and
from
the
neighborhood
allowed
and
proposed
dimensions.
B
J
I
have
never
had
broome
county
recommend
approval
for
any
sign
whatsoever
wherever,
and
that
is
just
a
fact
of
life
and
a
way
of
life
for
me
personally,
and
so
notwithstanding
their
comments
to
those
that
are
kind
of
new
to
the
planning
board.
I
know
it
sounds
broome
county
and
it
sounds
huge,
but
again
historically,
they
have
never
approved,
recommended
approval
of
a
sign
and
sin.
In
my
20-plus
years.
C
D
B
G
B
D
G
J
B
B
B
G
E
E
C
You
cheeto,
the
only
thing
I
would
add
to
that
is
there
are
times,
though,
when
there
are
timelines
put
on
when
we
have
to
make
decisions,
not
so
much
on
recommendations
but
on
applications,
if
we
don't
act
within
62
days
of
the
seeker
being
determined,
which
is
very,
very
rare,
because
the
seeker
is
always
the
second
meeting
sure.
But
if
you
read
our
statute,
it's
the
62
days
for
the
application
being
first
heard,
there's
case
law
out
there
that
changed
that
so
that
it's
62
days
from
the
date
seekers
decided.
C
We
almost
always
make
our
secret
decision
the
exact
same
night.
We
either
approve
or
deny,
but
there
are
so.
We
never
want
to
follow
that.
But
there
are
times
when,
if
you
delay
a
vote
too
many
times
and
on
some
big
projects,
nick's
probably
seen
one
or
two
like
that,
where
it
went
on
for
three
four
months,
then
we
have
to
ask
the
app.
E
C
And
even
if
you
think
of
something
before
the
meeting
happens,
if
you
communicate
to
the
planning
department,
they'll
be
very
good
about
contacting
the
applicant
and
saying
listen,
a
member
has
asked
for
this
information
about
this.
That's
generally
that,
and
always,
if
we're
at
a
secret
stage,
if
there's
anything,
you
think
you
might
need
for
the
next
month,
never
hesitate
to
speak
up
and
let
those
applicants
know
most
of
them
appreciate
the
fact.
The
last
thing
they
want
to
have
happen
is
when
they
get
to
their
public
hearing.
All
of
a
sudden.
C
E
Yeah
sure
thing
it's
funny
how
it
seems
sometimes
so
flat
on
paper
and
then
the
dynamics
of
a
of
a
board
and
a
council.
This
is
where
it
really
is
effective
because
you
can
see
how
these
things
really
come
into
play.
So
I
think
I'm
learning
I'll
come
up
with
some
better
questions
ahead
of
time.
I
read
everything
I
thought
I
was.
I
was
prepared,
so
you
know,
but
then
I
had
some
thoughts,
but
you
guys
answered
it
all
right.
B
D
C
It's
not,
I
don't
want
to
use
the
word
boring,
but
I
can't
think
of
another
thing.
This
is
one
of
the
presentations.
That's
at
the
end
of
the
meeting
that
extends
the
meeting
and
it
doesn't
deal
with
the
ballpark
deals
with
the
riverfronts
and
what
facing
things
towards
the
river?
Is
there
any
thought
about?
Actually,
maybe
you
having
a
special
meeting
just
to
consider
that,
because
sometimes
it's
not
a
small
document,
you
generally.
A
C
D
D
C
F
F
Well,
I
think
if
there
was
a
way
to
come
back
to
this
group,
every
so
often
saying
hey,
you
know
the
baseball
stadium
that
you
spent
a
lot
of
time
discussing.
Here's
where
we
are.
You
know
the
waterfront
thing
that
you
worked
on
the
plan:
here's
where
it
is
it's
without
looking
for
other
sources
of
information,
it's
kind
of
when
you
approve
items
you
don't
know
if
they
ever
actually
got
built
or
how
it's
moving
or
what
the
community
thought
so
wait.
D
F
C
Planning
department
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
in
both
instances
the
projects
that
are
contained
in
these
documents
are
sort
of
a
wish
list
of
products
projects.
Some
of
them
may
never
come
to
fruition,
but
it's
sort
of
a
guiding
plan
for
we'd
like
to
see
this
happen
and
when
it
does
happen,
it
may
not
be
exactly
the
way
it's
described
in
the
document,
but
it's
sort
of
like
getting
everybody
on
the
same
page
and
starting
to
march
in
the
same
direction.
C
A
lot
of
us
contingent
upon
funding
and
circumstances
can
change,
but
it's
sort
of
trying
to
get
everything
marching
in
the
same
direction.
So
there's
I
would
not
look
at
them
as
being
projects
that
are
done
deals,
but
they
are
a
wish
list
of
products
of
what
we
would
like
to
see.
Ideally
in
those
neighborhoods.
C
H
B
B
D
If
this
is
a
longer
document
if
to
draw
a
parallel
with
a
baseball
stadium
district
document,
maybe
getting
that
well
as
soon
as
it's
ready
distributing
that
to
the
planning
commission.
So
we
can
spend
a
few
additional
days
chewing
on
it,
especially
if
it's
going
to
be
great
bedtime.
Reading,
as
brian
has
suggested,.