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From YouTube: Zoning Board of Appeals 2023.02.14
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CONTENTS
0:00:00 Call to Order
0:02:00 Votes for Chair and Vice Chair
0:03:30 48 Blackstone Ave.
1:00:30 127 Murray
A
Good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
welcome
to
the
February
2023
zoning
board
appeals
meeting.
My
name
is
Kelly
Donovan
I'm,
the
chair
of
this
board,
for
those
of
you
who've,
never
attended.
One
of
our
meetings.
I'll
quickly
explain
how
the
meetings
conducted
first,
we'll
ask
the
applicant
to
come
to
the
microphone
state,
your
name
and
address
for
the
record
and
then
discuss
your
proposed
project
or
request
for
variants.
A
The
floor
would
then
be
open
for
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
in
favor
or
against
the
proposed
project.
Once
everyone's
had
an
opportunity
to
speak,
public
hearing
will
be
officially
closed
and
no
new
testimony
will
be
taken
after
public
hearings
have
been
held.
The
board
will
deliberate
and
make
a
decision
on
each
case.
A
Zoning
board
of
appeals
is
a
five-member
board,
and
tonight
we
have
all
five
members
present,
so
we
definitely
have
a
quorum.
I
will
now
call
the
roll
MS
resnitti
Mr
matzo,
mizuchi,
Mr,
Landers
and
Mr
Donovan
is
present
I
see.
Thank
you
Tito
for
the
minutes.
I
see
that
they're
very
neatly
summarized
for
last
month.
A
A
Believe
we
can
yeah
okay,
it's
that
time
again,
every
year
come
January,
or
so
we
have
to
elect
the
officers
for
the
Opera
for
the
general
conduct
of
the
the
Zoning
Board
of
fields.
So
we
need
nominations
for
president,
not
president
chair
and
co-chair
or
assistant
chair
Vice,.
D
John
nominate
Mr
matzo
is
the
co-chair
or
vice
chair.
E
E
C
A
Don't
see
why
not,
then
I
would
make
a
motion
to
the
board
to
have
myself
continue
as
the
chair
and
for
Mr
matzo
to
also
continue
as
a
vice
chair
for
another
Year's
term,
all
those
in
favor
aye,
so
so
moving
unanimous
all
right.
A
So
while
we're
waiting
for
the
minute
to
click
over
our
first
applicant
of
the
evening,
Jennifer
and
Michael
Kelly
48
Blackstone
Ave
area
variants
to
construct
a
12
by
24
shed
where
no
division,
no
Dimension
greater
than
16
feet
is
permitted
and
200
square
feet
is
the
maximum
area
for
an
accessory
shed
in
the
R1
single
unit.
Dwelling
District,
yeah
and
present
come
on
down
it's
time
to
start.
A
Thank
you
for
coming
back,
I
realize
you
guys
were
here
last
month
and
sorry
I
missed
you.
I
would
have
rather
been
here.
A
F
I'm
Jennifer
Kelly
I
live
at
48,
Blackstone
Ave
and
we
are
asking
for
a
variance
to
build
a
shed.
A
D
You
know
I,
guess
I
I,
just
wonder
why
you
need
it
to
be
20
12
by
24
instead
of
12
by
16,
which
is
that
would
allowed
me
to
call.
F
We
are
caring
for
both
of
our
mothers,
and
so
we
have
like
no
space
in
our
home
that
can
be
storage
anywhere
and
my
children
play
hockey,
so
we'd
have
huge
hockey
goals
and
a
lot
of
sports
equipment.
That
right
now
is
just
all
over
my
yard,
so
I
would
like
to
clean
up
my
yard
and
make
it
more
organized,
and
so
that
my
neighborhood
doesn't
look.
F
H
G
All
right,
it's
like
that.
Also
my
father,
passed
away
last
year
at
this
time
in
February,
and
my
mom
is
since
going
to
be
moving
in
with
us
he's
giving
up
her
apartment
this
actually,
this
month
end
of
this
month,
and
she
would
like
to
keep
some
stuff
so,
instead
of
going
and
paying
the
rent
a
place
to
keep
all
of
her
stuff,
you
know
we
just
that's
the
reason.
Another
reason
why
we
were
building
which
had
to
accommodate
some
of
the
stuff
that
she'd
like
to
hang
out
as
well
so.
F
We
have
a
in
with
the
sign
out
in
front
of
our
house,
so
many
people
stopped
and
they're
like
what
is
all
this
and
they
made
so
many
comments
about
like
it's
just
a
shed
just
and
the
one
lady
suggested
that
I
take
names
of
people
that
come
and
stop
by
that
say.
Yes,
we
petition
that
you'll
be
able
to
have
the
shed.
So
in
one
day
I
was
able
to
get
front
and
back
of
people
saying
comments.
F
The
comments
were
why
the
fuss,
let
them
build
it,
build
it,
build
a
shed
great
idea.
It's
just
a
shed.
Let
them
have
it,
let's
be
nice
Neighbors,
so
people
were
just
like
this
is
kind
of
a
long
process
for
trying
to
make
our
neighborhood
nicer
by
keeping
things
organized
and.
I
Have
any
of
the
neighbors
that
you've
lifted
on
that
petition?
Are
they
here
tonight
or
have
they.
F
F
F
E
C
We
do
not
no
I
I
can
take
that
into
the
record.
Now.
F
G
A
Because
a
lot
of
times,
our
task
is
not
to
not
so
much
to
say
yes
or
no.
It's
to
try
to
get
to
something
workable
for
everyone
quite
often
nobody's
real
happy
with
the
answer.
H
G
E
C
C
They're
I
can
double
check
this
now,
but
off
the
top
of
my
head.
There
is
no
specific
maximum
dimensions
for
a
garage.
You
just
have
to
meet
the
bulk
requirements
for
that
zoning
District,
so
setbacks
lot
coverage
maximum
height
and
things
like
that.
The
16
foot
maximum
Dimension
rules
specifically
for
residential
sheds.
It
does
not
necessarily
apply
to
garages.
Okay,.
A
J
H
F
C
You
would
either
need
a
variance
for
a
second
garage
or
a
variance
for
an
oversized
shed.
I
can
tell
you
the
requirements
for
a
garage.
C
It
would
have
to
be
at
least
five
feet
from
the
principal
building,
not
more
than
16
feet
in
height,
if
detached
from
a
one-story
building,
not
more
than
20
feet
in
height
of
detached
from
a
two-story
building,
not
located
in
the
front
setback
required
area
cover
ground
area
no
larger
than
that
covered
by
the
principal
building
for
676
square
feet.
Whichever
is
less
if
the
lot
is
greater
than
fifteen
thousand
square
feet
garage
with
a
maximum
square
footage
of
1008
square
feet
may
be
built
and
the
rest
is
doesn't
apply.
A
I
have
a
question
about
the
I'm,
assuming
that
the
garage
is
in
the
state
that
it
is
in
these
pictures.
G
It's
a
gentleman's
name
is
Mr
Miller
person
that
one
of
the
teachers
that
my
wife
works
with
is
house
burnt
down,
and
you
know
we
showed
her
the
pictures
of
what
this
gentleman
did
and
he
actually
built
Our
Deck,
also
linked
on
our
house.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
You
can
take
a
seat
back
in
the
in
the
gallery.
A
E
K
Anything
from
that,
okay,
okay!
Did
you
get
the
first
part?
Okay,
okay,
and
we
are
one
lot
directly
over
and
I
guess
well
people
from
Binghamton.
Originally
they
may
call
it
kitty
corner
where
I'm
from
originally
it's
catty
corner.
K
K
There
are
a
number
of
sheds
on
adjacent
properties
we
walked
again.
Today
you
can
go
in
a
three
block
radius
of
any
of
those
properties,
and
you
will
not
see
anything
that
resembles
the
sheer
volume
of
of
what's
being
proposed.
K
Everybody
has
the
standard
eight
by
ten
Home,
Depot
or
Lowe's
sheds
that
are
in
their
backyard,
they're
generally
less
than
10
feet
in
height
this
one's,
pretty
big
I'm,
assuming
what
the
staff
gave
you
photographs
of
the
proposed
building,
it's
it's
big
and
just
just
as
a
relation
you
know
to
the
to
the
proposal.
K
If
I
wanted
to
construct
a
fence
to
block
the
view
of
that,
I'm
only
allowed
to
do
a
six
foot
fence
to
screen
what
is
well
over,
probably
well
over
at
least
12
feet
high
and
in
height,
so
I'm
not
opposed
to.
First
of
all,
did
you
all
get
my
letter?
Did
this
app
provide
you
with
that?
Previously?
Okay?
K
K
This
certainly
is
not
in
character
with
the
with
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
what
existing
accessory
buildings
look
like,
and
it
also
is
clearly
a
self-created
hardship
and
I
know
that
there
was
a
a
change
in
the
law
that
allows
you
to
exercise
some
discretion
of
that,
and
I
would
respectfully
request
that
if
you
do
offer
some
discretion
in
it
that
you
be
respectful
of
the
adjoining
neighbors,
it's
it's
big.
H
C
E
E
H
A
Thank
you
for
thank
you.
I
appreciate
your
concerns.
A
E
C
I'll
just
know
for
the
record:
we
got
a
letter
from
Mary
certi
in
opposition
to
the
proposal
yep.
She
states
that
it's
too
big
should
conform
to
the
city
code
takes
up
most
of
the
backyard
is
an
eyesore
looks
like
a
house.
C
And
then
there
was
one
more
from
Mr
Mrs
Nelson.
A
All
right,
well,
I,
think
we
have
concluded
the
public
hearing
portion
I
would
move
to
close
the
public
hearing
for
48
Blackstone
did
I
get
a
second.
E
A
I,
do
I
would
note
that
this
is
a
secret
type.
2
action
do
I
need
to
move
that.
It's
been
so
long
or
just
note.
It.
A
Yes,
okay
sap
has
provided
information.
This
is
a
secret
type,
2
action.
No
further
environmental
review
is
required.
So
now
we
have
to
go
through
the
criteria,
whether
it's
an
undesirable
change
to
permit
this
area
of
their
answer.
These
area
variances
whether
there
was
a
reasonable
alternative.
Is
it
a
substantial
request
as
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
environmental
conditions
in
the
neighborhood?
Whether
or
not
it
was
self-created?
A
So
is
it
an
undesirable
change
to
the
neighborhood
to
Grant
this,
this
variance
of
the
in
excess
of
200
square
feet
and
the
greater
than
16
foot
dimension.
G
I
Can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
sorry,
you
know
it
is
difficult,
but
we're
desirable
because
again,
if
it
were
considered
a
garage
and
what
you
guys
are
saying
is
that
it
would
fit
within
the
requirements
of
garage
in
terms
of
height.
It's
not
that
different
than
that
at
the
same
time,
given
what
our
our
our
area
variants
rules
say,
then
yeah,
it
is
on
its
base
undesirable.
I
So
I
don't
think
our
analysis
can
stop
there,
but
I
think
it's
worth
acknowledging
that
that
is
in
fact
the
case
that
it
could
be
desirable
under
a
certain
circumstance,
depending
on
how
you
frame
it,
how
you
pull
it
and
maybe
it
would
require
some
reconfiguration
and
being
brought
as
a
different
structure.
A
B
A
Issue
is
the
extra
length
correct
so,
even
though
you
may
not,
some
people
may
look
at
this
and
say
all
right
garage
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
and
say
boy,
that's
really
big!
A
Somebody
else
is
going
to
look
at
it
and
say
that
boy,
that's
very
desirable
to
have
storage,
regardless
of
your
point
of
view,
if
you,
if
you
get
one
like
John's
saying
and
it
meets
the
size
requirements,
it's
16
feet
wide
14
feet
high.
You
just
shrink
this
picture
by.
A
Two
sections:
it's
still
going
to
look
the
same
from
the
neighbor's
house
in
the
back
I
hate
to
say
that,
but
even
making
it
four
six
eight
feet
narrower.
It's
going
to
look
almost
exactly
the
same
from
your
point
of
view,
so
undesirable
change
in
the
neighborhood
yeah.
I
get
your
point.
That's
a
that's
a
hard
word,
so
maybe
we
should
talk
about
reasonable
alternative.
Is
there
a
reasonable
alternative
to
the
24
foot
wide
Chad.
A
D
A
A
Are
set
but
also
dimensions
are
set,
and
we
exist
just
for
this
purpose
to
discuss
exceptions
to
the
rule.
That's
what
this
group
does.
We
look
at
people
that
don't
meet
the
requirements
or
don't
meet
the
definition
or
don't
meet
the
rule.
That's
why
we
exist
is
to
discuss
it
and
see
if
we
can
work
out
something
that
will
work
in
the
community
and.
B
That's
our
chart
and
like
Kelly,
says
even
if
they're
looking
at
it
from
behind
and
they
leave
it
at
the
12
by
16
foot,
which
is
an
194
square
feet,
they're
still
going
to
see
the
same
back
from
where
they're
at
I.
Don't
think
you're
going
to
see
the
length
of
it
from
where
they're
at
yeah
and
if
you
went
with
a
garage
in
the
back
and
they
met
the
criteria
of
a
garage.
They'd
have
to
go
for
a
variance
for
a
second
garage
and
that
could
be
actually
larger.
B
C
B
C
D
H
B
A
A
Without
looking
at
all
the
whatever
whatevs,
let's
get
back
to
the
reasonable,
reasonable
alternative,
could
the
applicant
construct
a
smaller
shed
that
would
be
complaint
compliant
or
close
to
the
complaint
to
being
compliant
with?
J
Discuss
it
I
think
we
we
could
discuss
I,
see
two
possibilities:
either
the
24
or
a
20.
I'm
16
is
compliant,
so
we
have
no
discussion
right
and
that
personally
I
don't
see
a
big
difference
from
24
to
20.,
where
it's
going
to
block
anyone
to
be
you
or
so
I.
Personally,
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
24.
J
A
A
What
I
want
in
my
backyard?
No,
because
I
have
trees
in
the
back
of
my
yard,
so
I
I,
get
it
I.
I
understand,
I,
understand
the
concern
of
the
neighbors
in
a
case
like
that
I
wish
there
was
provision
for
us
to
allow
on
taller
privacy
events,
but
that's
another
story
altogether.
J
E
C
C
C
The
other
thing
is
that
the
board
could
could
recommend
certain
conditions,
like
you
know,
plantings
to
screen
it
or
something
like
that.
If
you
think
that
that's
appropriate
well,.
E
J
A
A
I
mean
yeah
I
mean
if
you
listen
to
the
to
the
neighbors.
They
they
walk.
The
neighborhood,
obviously
they're
they're
very
concerned
about
their
neighborhood
I.
Understand
it's
much
larger
than
most
everybody
in
the
neighborhood
I
I'd
have
to
say,
I,
agree,
I,
walk
that
neighborhood
pretty
up
pretty
often
myself.
A
There
are
some
good
sized
ones
out
there,
but
by
and
large
their
cookie
cutter
off
the
shelf
units
is
a
substantial
on
its
space.
Here.
A
A
I
think
that
the
size,
the
applicants
pick
the
size
structure
to
meet
a
purpose.
A
A
Does
it
have
an
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
or
environmental
conditions
of
the
neighborhood?
That's
about
the
only
one
where
I
think
we
could
say
no,
just
by
the
granting
of
something
a
little
bit
larger.
It's
not
going
to
do
anything
physically
one
way
or
the
other
through
the
neighborhood,
it's
more
of
an
aesthetic
thing
environmentally,
because
a
little
more
water
to
run
up,
but
in
the
backyard
I.
Don't
think!
That's
that's
not
going
to
be
noticeable.
A
And
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
the
last
one
is
self-created.
I
I
really
wish
you.
You
folks
had
gone
to
visit
the
city
before
you
went
and
purchased
a
a
building.
J
I,
don't
know
if
that's
right.
If
anybody
else
is
considering
that
but
say
the
house
is
sold,
and
somebody
said
that
Big
Shed
needs
to
go,
it
can
be
removed.
Pretty
it's
not
a
it's
not
like
putting
a
garage
I
would
consider
that
much
I
would
give
that
more
thought
than
a
shed
is
it
are
we
are,
do
you
consider
it
as
a
a
temporary.
D
C
A
A
A
A
A
C
C
No
they'll
they'll
go
down
the
criteria
again
and
then
based
on
their
findings
for
each
one
of
those.
They'll
they'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
variance
for
being
above
16
feet
and
then
they'll.
Do
that
again.
They'll
vote
again
for
the
variance
for
the
area.
L
A
G
A
But
it's
gotta
be:
it's
got
to
be
built,
it's
got
to
be
built
properly
and,
aside
from
aside
from
the
size,
it's
not
being
built
properly,
so
I
I
mean
even
if
you
go
down
the
path
to
have
it
properly
built
you've
got
there's,
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
has
to
be
applied
to
through
the
city
you're
talking
at
least
at
least
I'm
guessing
a
month
or
two
to
get
that
through
to
the
point
where
you
could
even
start
disassembling.
This
safely.
A
E
A
I
that
that
may
be
a
better
way
to
go
the
way
you
the
way
it's
looking
right
now
does
not
look
from
what
I'm
telling
here
so
far.
It
doesn't
look
positive
for
it
moving
forward
at
this
point,
with
the
way
it
looks.
J
Which
was
a
garage
and
when
it's
got
also
and
I,
don't
think
it.
Ever
anyway
we
had
we
had
a
situation
with
a
garage
that
got
stopped
because
of
the
way
it
was
being
constructed
and
then
I
don't
believe
it
ever.
But.
B
E
A
I
I'm
having
a
hard
time
accepting
this
as
they
should
given
its
size
and
while
I
hate
to
put
on
like
another
layer
of
bureaucratic
red
tape,
I
think
it
would
be
more
appropriately
bought
or
brought
forward
as
a
application
for
a
garage
and
also
conditioned
upon
having
a
proper
Foundation
put
underneath
it.
If
they
were
to
go
forward.
A
A
Wouldn't
be
submitted
at
16
feet,
it
would
just
go
to
the
city
and
I.
Don't
think
the
applicants
are
really
interested
in
that
I.
Don't
think
it
gives
them
what
they're,
what
they're
looking
for
I'm
just
guessing
they
need
the
room.
Have
you
guys,
given
any
I'm
I'm
going
out
of
order
here?
Have
you
guys,
given
any
thought
to
a
storage
storage,
lockers.
A
A
C
Kelly,
just
one
quick
thing
that
the
board
can
can
modify
the
requested
variance
so
that
it
meets
the
applicant's
needs
but
but
doesn't
have
an
adverse
impact.
And
if
the
visibility
of
it
is
the
main
issue,
the
board
can
can
require
that
the
height
be
reduced,
leaving
the
same
area
requested
area.
But.
G
B
A
I
would
I
would
be
willing
to
consider
thinking
about
an
application
for
a
12
by
20.,
with
all
other
dimensions
remaining
the
same
just
to
just
to
think
about
right.
J
A
It
doesn't
mean
they
would
have
to
do
that
if
they,
if
they
wanted
in
the
time
between
now
and
making
all
the
applications
to
make
the
building
permit,
they
could
change
their
mind
and
come
back
with
a
building
permit
to
do
a
go
to
a
garage.
So
this
is
totally
just
based
on
this
proposed
alteration.
I
I
B
B
I've
got
one
at
my
shop,
I
built
it
was
years
ago,
and
it's
12
by
16.
and
it's
it's
16
foot
tall
and
I
have
an
Overhead
Door
in
it
now.
Would
you
call
that
a
garage?
It's
not
it's
a
storage
shed
if
you
have
lots
of
stuff
to
store
yeah,
but
it's
still
got
an
overhead
door.
It's
not
a
garage
door.
It's
an
overhead
door.
A
Okay!
So
just
how
about
the
total
square
footage
issues,
288
versus
200,.
A
E
E
B
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
prove
this
area
of
variance,
but
to
construct
a
12
by
20
foot
shed
We're
No
Greater
Dimension
than
16
foot
is
permitted
and
200
square
feet
which
would
bring
this
down
to
240.
A
Those
opposed
okay,
that's
four
to
one
as
modified
your
applications
approved.
So
your
next
step
would
be
to
contact
the
city
with
the
dimension
being
20
feet
rather
than
24..
Okay,
if
that's
not
going
to
work,
there
are
other
avenues
for
you,
but
that's
that's
where
we
got
to
tonight.
Thank
you
for
coming
appreciate
your
time.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
second
applicant
for
the
evening
is
Flower
Hill.
A
This
got
shortened
a
little
bit,
so
it
says:
Hub
LLC
for
127
Murray
area
variants
per
parking
area
with
no
five
foot
landscape,
bumper
and
a
13
foot
wide
driveway,
where
24
is
required
for
two-way
traffic
and
to
provide
seven
parking
spaces
where
nine
are
required.
In
R9,
multi-unit
dwelling,
District,
hello,.
L
M
Sure
some
of
these
comments
also
relate
back
to
planning
board
meeting
it's
a
it's
a
glorious
building,
which
is
perhaps
not
with
the
planning
board,
thought
it
was
in
terms
of
a
big
old
house
that
had
been
carved
up
that
had
been
carved
up
departments
many
years
ago.
It
is,
it
is
truly
a
lovely
building
and
has
a
gigantic
attic
which
attic
had
once
been
served
by
an
outside
staircase
and
a
in
a
deck
with
a
sliding
door.
M
When
that
deck
became
dilapidated,
it
was
torn
down
and
those
sliders
were
screwed
in.
So
nobody
could
go
up
to
the
attic
and
create
Mischief,
as
as,
as
the
plans
show
adequate
space
for
two
actually
very
large
Apartments,
but
the
legal
square
footage
brings
them
down
because
of
sloping
ceilings.
M
The
neighborhood
seems
to
be
predominantly,
if
not
overwhelmingly,
multi-family
Zone.
We
are
providing
a
lot
of
off-street
parking
in
comparison
to
a
variety
of
other
homes.
The
apartments
are,
in
general,
quite
small.
One
attribute
of
our
our
building
seems
to
be
that
grad
students,
students
and
the
occasional,
the
occasional
couple
they
don't
party
a
lot.
So
there
aren't
a
lot
of
visitors
coming
over.
Maybe
that's
the
life
of
a
grad
student
hitting
the
books.
M
They're
planning
board
suggested
that
we
try
to
squeeze.
There
was
some
division
concerning.
Should
we
max
out
the
entire
area
where
parking
could
be
placed
and
blacktop
it
all
and
perhaps
squeeze
in
two
more
spaces,
knowing
that
we
have
problem
with
the
aisle
with
and
and
a
buffer,
and
it
was
the
planning
board's
recommendation
that
we
try
to
squeeze
eight
parking
spaces
across
the
back.
M
Instead
of
seven,
they
saw
leftover
area
to
the
far
left
and
the
far
right
of
the
drawing
that
brings
the
parking
spaces
75
divided
by
eight
slightly
less
than
nine
foot.
Three
I,
don't
know
where
the
nine
foot
three
number
came
from
and
in
terms
of
the
buffer
there
are
actually
two
sets
of
fences.
One
was
a
chain
link
fence
that
people
were
getting
through,
and
years
ago
a
wooden
slat
fence
was
was
constructed
on
the
inside.
M
There
is
lovely,
there
is
Nice
Landscaping
in
front
of
the
property
to
our
South
is
a
is
a
driveway
of
another
large,
similar
looking
type
building
and.
M
There's
not
a
lot
of
necessarily
a
need
for
a
landscape
upper
in
the
in
the
rear,
in
terms
of
blocking
neighborhood
view
of
that,
given
one
that
there's
a
fence
and
two
not
to
say
that
they
wouldn't
be
used
more
appropriately
in
the
future,
but
the
the
properties
that
are
on
North
Street,
which
whose
backyards
would
be
near
that
parking
lot,
are
overgrown,
treed
and
and
and
not
being
used.
M
We
we
have
room
for
bicycle
rack
for
those
who
would
like
to
Bicycle.
It
is
very,
very
close
to
the
bus
route
and
I'm
very
excited
about
this
property.
M
I'm
excited
to
fix
it
up
and
I
come
from
Poughkeepsie
I'm,
a
modest
landlord
wannabe
developer,
we're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
fun
with
this
building,
we're
going
to
do
it
right
and
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
it
at
adding
two
apartments
will
will
allow
us
to
do
it
and
do
it
in
a
way
that
that
I'll
be
proud
and
if
I'm
proud
of
it
I
think
you
will
be
as
well.
I
think
it's
totally
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
description
that
that
was
very
nice
to
hear
at
this
point,
any
questions
from
members
of
the
board.
D
M
The
plans-
and
if
you
don't
have
a
copy
of
them
I
can
I
can
bring
them
right
here
on
a
I
can
look
split.
You
see
a
larger
scale,
but
they're
shown
as
as
one
bedroom
apartments
with
a
livable
square
footage
of
oh
580
or
so.
D
M
We
we
do
not
rent
by
the
bedroom,
okay,
no,
we
do
not
rent
by
the
Red
Room,
we
ran
it.
We
ran
apartments
and
and
and
in
in
my
experience
in
the
past,
someone
who
is
renting
a
studio
or
a
one.
Bedroom
has
been
a
single
person
or
in
the
case
of
a
grad
student
if
they
have
a
partner,
a
a
partner,
oftentimes
they're
foreign.
M
M
It
hasn't
attracted
a
lot
of
couples,
not
to
say
that
we
we
love
couples
with
with
that
stress
parking,
so.
A
D
M
M
M
If
I
had
a
choice
between
running
to
two
or
renting
to
one
I
would
rent
to
one.
It's
just
that
much
less
wear
and
tear
on
the
property
and
I
get
very
cranky.
When
I
find
out
that
there
are
five
people
living
in
a
four
bedroom,
a
not
paying
me
more
and
B
I,
don't
want
them
more
money,
because
I
only
want
more
people
living
in
there,
because
that's
what
I
feel
that
apartment
and
those
two
bathrooms
in
the
kitchen
can
can
handle.
So
it
is
not
it's
not.
This
is
not
a
student
house.
M
A
Yeah
well
we're
here
to
discuss
three
area:
variances:
the
landscape,
bumper
of
five
feet,
which
by
code
is
required,
the
number
of
parking
spaces,
I'm
I'm,
assuming
it's
one
per
unit
and
you're.
Looking
for
a
total
of
seven,
or
did
you
say,
eight.
M
I'm
agnostic
to
seven
or
eight
I,
maybe
Mr
Martinez,
could
respond
to
the
requirement
of
the
width
and
I.
Don't
know
in
practice.
You
don't
want
your
parking
spaces
too,
close
together
that
the
you'll
get
door.
Dings
I
I
did
the
math
and
it
eight
it's
slightly
I'm,
not
sure
exactly
I
can
pull
up
my
my
phone,
but
it's
it's
slightly
less
than
nine
foot
three
than
we
show
now.
Yeah.
C
So
the
the
requirement
is
is
one
per
unit.
We
put
seven
because
that's
what
was
shown
on
the
site
plan
since
going
to
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Planning
Commission
has
requested
that
the
app
can
provide
eight
at
least
eight,
and
so
that's
sort
of
where
that
stands.
You
could
Grant
the
variance
for
seven
or
you
can
you
can
say
eight
or
you
can
deny
it
or
you
could
wave
it
all
together,
you
could.
You
could
choose
any
number
that
you
feel
is
appropriate.
A
C
A
Yard
I,
don't
think
the
difference
for
us
between
seven
and
nine
is
going
to
impact
their
discussion
a
whole
lot
in
this
case,
so
I'm
I'm
really
leaving
it
to
to
the
applicant's
best
judgment.
I.
M
When
I
did
the
math
that
I've
promptly
forgotten
about
it
and
I
beg
your
pardon
I,
also
looked
up
on
Google
what
appropriate
width
was
and
based
upon
what
Google
said
we
were.
We
were
well
over
the
minimum
and
and
then
were
slightly
less
than
I
left
my
phone
over
there,
then
the
nine
foot,
three
so
I'm
I'm
fine,
I'm
fine,
with
the
eight
and.
M
M
M
Can
someone
do
them?
Oh
64.72.
L
M
B
A
And
the
other
area
variants
we're
looking
at
is
driveway
width
13.9
feet
at
the
narrowest
I'm
assuming
versus
the
required
24.
I'm.
Assuming
then
you're
gonna
have
signage
that
says,
watch
for
cars
or
something
on
the
inside,
so
somebody
just
come
whipping
around
the
from
the
parking
area.
Sure
okay,
I.
A
Because
you'll
only
be
able
to
get
one
card
through
at
a
time.
Oh
correct,
yes,
sir.
That's
nice,
any
other
questions
for
the
applicant
I.
M
J
M
C
M
Yes,
except
I
think
when
it'll
be
for
all
practical
purposes,
yes,
when
it
will
be
paved,
it
won't
be
rutted
and
people
have.
You
know,
they're
going
to
stay
in
the
same
Lane,
but
they're
still
going
to
be
the
same
14
inches
to
the
building
on
the
one
side.
Yeah,
but
it'll
be
paved
all
the
way
to
the
building.
Okay,.
B
B
L
B
A
A
M
I
I
do
want
to
point
something
out.
The
architect
made
a
mistake
that
on
the
left
side
of
the
house,
it
shows
existing
trees
and
they
were
taken
down.
I
think
they
were
hemlocks
with
wooly
a
delgit
I'm,
not
sure.
M
The
less
the
less
lawn
to
mow
I,
don't
know
this
is
going
to
give
me
a
discount.
He
charges
enough
as
it
is
yeah.
M
To
be
honest,
my
wife's,
a
Horticultural
professional
horticulturist
and
if,
if
she'd
like
to
see
some
things
planted,
there,
we've
always
been
interested
in
seeing
the
value
of
a
planty.
We
see
the
value
of
plantings
and
increasing
property
values.
Studies
have
shown
that
neighborhood
with
mature
trees
are
are
more
valuable
properties
than
those
that
don't
have
it
so
I'm.
L
M
A
Too,
at
this
time,
then,
I
would
like
to
open
the
public
hearing
for
127
Murray
Street
to
address
three
area:
variances
landscape
upper
parking
spaces
and
driveway
with
anyone
president
wishing
to
speak
in
favor
or
against
the
project.
Please
step
forward.
A
E
A
Comments
regarding
Seeker
I
would
move
that.
C
Do
want
to
know
for
the
record
that
the
county
found
no
significant
county-wide
impacts,
but.
G
A
And
I
thought
I'd
seen
that
come
in,
so
I
would
move
that
this
is
a
Seeker,
unlisted
action
and
that
we
will
do
our
own
environmental
review.
Can
I
get
a
second
for
those
you
get
a
second
all
in
favor,
hi.
B
A
And
that'll
get
me
through
this
bunch
of
requirements
on
the
Empire
environmental
impact
assessment,
we're
looking
for
items
that
have
some
impact
or
moderate
impact
and
we're
preferentially
going
to
be
in
the
know
to
small
impact
area.
But
if
we
find
something
higher,
we
will
address
it
as
we
find
it
so
bear
with
me
as
I
go
through.
This
was
proposed.
Action
create
a
material
conflict
with
an
adopted
land
use
plan
or
zoning
regulations.
Well,
just
by
definition,
it's
not
meeting
the
zoning
regulations
exactly
that's
why
we
are
here,
but
I
think.
A
Thank
you.
It
all
agree
with
me
that
it
would
be
a
little
to
small
impact
to
our
adopted
zoning
tools.
Okay,
so
we
can
mark
that
in
the
left-hand
column.
Well,
the
proposed
action
result
in
a
change
in
the
use
or
intensity
of
use
of
land.
I
would
say
no
well
the
proposed
to
actually
impair
the
character
or
quality
of
the
existing
community.
A
That
one
seems
pretty
straightforward
to
me:
I,
don't
think
it
would
it's
going
to
improve
the
overall
physical
condition
of
the
building
and
its
surroundings.
It's
going
to
bring
some
of
the
property
current.
It's
going
to
get
your
I,
don't
see
it
being
any
kind
of
negative
impact
on
the
character.
A
Will
the
proposed
action
have
an
impact
on
the
environmental
characteristics
that
cause
the
establishment
of
a
critical
environmental
area
yeah?
Those
are
proposed.
Action
resulted
in
adverse
change
in
the
existing
level
of
traffic
or
affect
existing
infrastructure
for
mass
transit
biking
or
walkway.
A
No
I,
don't
think
it
should
have
any
effect.
We're
adding
well
we're
not
even
talking
about
the
addition
of
School
requirements,
but
the
addition
of
two
we
should
have
a
little
well.
The
proposed
action
caused
an
increase
in
the
use
of
energy
and
it
fails
to
incorporate
reasonably
available
energy
conservation
or
renewable
energy
opportunities.
No
should
have
little
impact
there.
Will
the
proposed
Action
Impact
existing
public
to
private,
Water,
Supplies
or
public
or
private
wastewater
treatment
utilities?
No.
Will
the
proposed
action
impair
the
character
quality
of
important
historic,
archaeological,
architectural
or
aesthetic
resources?
A
No,
it
should
keep
things
looking
up
the
period
that
area
is
known
for
will
deposed
action
result
in
an
adverse
change
to
Natural,
Resources,
Wetlands,
water
bodies,
groundwater,
air
quality,
flora
and
fauna?
No
well,
the
proposed
action
result
in
an
increase
in
the
potential
for
erosion,
flooding
or
drainage
problems.
A
I
should
have
no
effect
on
that
either
up
or
down
will
the
proposed
action
create
a
hazard
to
environmental
resources
or
human
health
and
I
would
say
no
so
I
would
move
that
having
gone
through
these,
we
have
a
negative
declaration
procedure.
Can
I
get
a
second
all
in
favor
all
right?
That
was
unanimous,
so
that
gets
us
to
the
criteria
for
area
variances
and
again
it's.
L
A
It
an
undesirable
change
to
Grant
any
of
these.
Is
there
a
reasonable
alternative?
It's
a
substantial.
It
causes
an
adverse
impact
on
physical
environmental
conditions,
or
is
it
self-regated
I
think
under
all
of
these
we
could
agree
self-created,
but.
A
Seeing
the
improvements
noted
for
the
property
and
the
area
in
general,
I
I'm
comfortable
kind
of
that's
a
that's
a
good
thing,
also
moving
right
up
on
that
list
and
verse
adverse
impact
on
the
physical
environmental
conditions
and
has
no
effect
on
that
whatsoever.
We're
just
talking
about
modifications
to
have
the
lot
that
thing.
It's
it's
going
to
have
no
effect
there.
So
I
think
we
can
for
all
of
the
free
area.
A
Those
are,
let's
talk
about
the
ones
that
may
impact
our
decision
and
then
undesirable
change
in
granting
any
of
these
Lance
Let's
talk
about
the
landscape
buffer
and
maybe
let's
go
through
landscape
bumper
on
all
three
criteria:
undesirable
change
or
reasonable
alternative
and
substantial
nature
of
it.
So,
let's
start
with
the
five
foot
landscape
bumper.
Is
it
an
undesirable
change
to
grant
that
I
would
argue
that
there's
an
awful
lot
of
this
in
that
area.
B
A
A
A
A
It
would
be
great
if
you
could
finish
all
of
them.
I,
don't
know
how
do
you
guys
find
the
parking
in
that
area.
C
A
A
G
L
A
A
14
or
almost
14
feet
or
I
mean
we're
essentially
saying
it's
one-way.
Traffic
and
you're
gonna
have
to
be
clear
with
your
tenants
about,
oh
how
you
and
how
you
expect
them
to
behave,
parking
and
driving,
but
I
really
don't
see
that
being
an
undesirable
change
and
it
is
pre-existing
it's
the
way
it
is
now.
So
it's
pave
the
only
the
only
potential
there
is
for
now
it's
in
good
condition.
They
might
want
to
go
faster,
so
close
to
five
mile
an
hour,
speed
limit
or
something
good
luck
with
that.
A
G
B
Guess
it
could
okay
I'd
like
to
make
a
proposal
to
accept
127,
Murray,
Street
area,
variance
for
parking
area
with
no
five
foot
landscape
buffer
in
a
13-foot
driveway,
where
24
foot
is
required
for
two-way
traffic
to
provide
a
parking
spaces
where
nine
is
required
in
R3
multi-unit
dwelling?
Do
we
also
approve
the
additional
two?
No,
no!
We
don't
nope!
That's
up
to
the
plan.
This.
B
A
Aye
passed
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
application.
Thanks
for
coming
to
visit
us.
Okay,
do
we
have
any
other
business?
We
took
care
of
some
other
business
before
we
got
served.
Yep
there's
not
nothing
else,
and
if
you
do
find
any
online
trainings
that
are
available
for
us,
please
post
them
or
send
them
out
and
we'll
do
our
best
to
comply
and
keep
our
hours
up
and
the
best
we
can
I
will
send
something.
This
week,
motion
to
adjourn
I
got
a
second
second,
all
in
favor
aye
all
right.