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October 9, 2017 - City Council Special Session
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B
C
And
we're
back
and
at
this
point
we
have
proposals
for
the
Bloomington
Center
for
the
Performing
Arts.
We
have
a
presentation
by
David,
Hales
city
manager
and
Steven
Peters,
president
of
venya
works
for
15
minutes,
and
then
we
have
up
to
a
30-minute
council
discussion
and
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Hales
and
mr.
Peters
yeah.
D
Thank
You
mayor
I,
just
as
Steve
Peters
and
Lynne
cannon
come
forward.
Let
me
just
make
a
few
comments
tonight,
I'm
asking
you
to
consider
in
this
work
session
to
one
hear
from
Steve
Peters,
president
of
any
works
who
has
submit
at
my
requests
an
official
proposal
for
management
of
the
Bloomington
Center
for
Performing
Arts,
just
a
couple
of
quick
reasons.
Why
I
feel
that
consideration
should
be
given
to
this
proposal
and
among
it.
D
D
Another
thing
is,
it
has
become
apparent
to
me
that
one
of
the
great
strengths,
someone
like
a
venue
words
can
bring-
is
their
deep,
comprehensive
knowledge
of
the
industry
of
both
Performing
Arts
amusement
and
what
they
can
bring
to
the
table
that
sometimes
you
just
don't
get
when
you
bring
people
that
don't
have
that
experience
haven't
worked
at
other
venues
or
don't
have
the
kind
of
organization
they
have.
Secondly,
we
have
a
lot
of
vacancies
over
there
right
now
at
the
BC
p.m.
D
with
and
including
the
BCP,
a
manager
position
which
lends
itself
to
be
in
an
opportune
time
to
consider
this.
Ultimately,
what
we're
considering
you
recommend
is
that
if
you
were
so
inclined
to
feel
that
this
would
be
good
for
the
city
to
entertain,
having
venue
works,
not
only
to
add
the
BC
PA
to
their
overall
Master
Agreement.
This
would
of
tail
or
coincide
with
their
current
five-year
agreement,
which
they're
two
years
into
it
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
that
can
come
from
that.
D
So
with
that
in
mind,
let
me
I
wanted
to
keep
this
short
and
really
turn
the
bulk
of
the
time
to
mr.
Peters
to
speak
about
what
they
can
bring
in
the
way
of
additional
assets.
Experience
industry,
expertise
to
help
us,
as
we
continue
to
make
the
BC
PA
a
shining
example
of
a
venue
to
provide
arts,
culture
and
theatre
here
in
the
city
of
Bloomington.
So
we
welcome
Steve
Peters,
he's
joined
by
Lyn
cannon
executive
director
of
the
arena.
Mr.
Peters.
E
Well,
thank
you.
Can
you
hear
me,
am
I
close
enough
to
the
mic?
Is
that
all
right,
okay,
I,
know
that
you
have
a
copy
of
the
proposal
and
the
attachment
to
that
and
I
think
you
also
have
a
copy
of
the
PowerPoint,
so
I'll
walk
very
quickly
through
the
PowerPoint
and
we'll
jump
into
question
and
answer
it's
probably
best
for
discussion
purposes
anyway.
So
and
let's
see
it's
just
not
sure
where
we're
gonna,
how.
F
E
Advance,
oh
okay:
there
we
go
all
right,
so
we
this
is
some
of
the
theatres
that
we
manage.
Several
of
them
are
also
historic.
Theatres,
specifically
nearby
is
Evansville
to
the
south,
the
victory
theater
Adler
theater
in
Davenport,
the
Paramount
and
Cedar
Rapids,
all
historic
theaters,
beautiful
theaters,
like
the
BC
PA,
so
we
presented,
along
with
the
letter
of
also
quite
a
booklet
kinds
of
things
that
we
do
not
all.
E
This
would
necessarily
apply
to
everything
that
would
need
to
be
done
that
to
be
CPA,
but
it
gives
you
an
idea
of
how
we
approach
managing
venues,
and
these
five
boxes
really
illustrate
that
area
both
in
operations,
financial
administration
and
HR,
programming,
catering
and
concessions,
and
then
marketing
and
sales.
Those
are
sort
of
self-explanatory.
We've
got
some
notes
on
that,
and
you
see
that
sort
of
section
borne
out
in
the
materials
that
that
we
presented.
E
E
Actually
after
the
flood
that,
when
capacity
was
reduced,
a
bit
give
more
comfort
to
patrons,
but
we
also
run
an
amphitheater
and
a
nice
arena,
a
separate
Ice
Arena
from
the
multi-purpose
arena,
which
would
be
a
good
corollary
because
there
we
have
four
different
contracts:
they're
all
owned
by
city
venues,
they're
all
owned
by
the
city,
but
we
we
manage
each
of
those.
We
keep
separate
piell's.
We
track
expenses
and
revenue,
specific
deeds
of
those
venues.
In
Evansville
we
have
an
arena
with
an
historic
theater
attached
or
right
across
the
street.
E
Rather,
but
it's
attached
to
the
contract,
the
same
thing
in
Kennewick,
where
we
have
an
arena
and
a
conference
center.
We
also
have
a
theater
program
that
happens
inside
the
arena,
where
we
create
a
separate
theater,
not
so
much
a
direct
corollary
to
what
we're
talking
about
here,
not
an
historic
theater.
A
little
bit
about
our
programming.
E
John
Jimenez
is
our
vice
president
for
programming
and
content
spent
20
years
in
Nashville
with
William
Morris
endeavors.
After
that
he
worked
in
Houston
with
the
Becker
organization
he's
been
with
us
for
about
two-and-a-half
years.
We
do
a
lot
of
buying.
We
work
with
a
lot
of
promoters.
We
do
a
lot
of
networking,
so
we're
bringing
activity
to
the
venues
that
we
serve.
We
have
a
national
contract
Ticketmaster,
which
puts
us
in
touch
with
Live
Nation.
E
Those
are
one
in
the
same
company
so
that
we
get
a
good
deal
of
programming
from
Live
Nation,
that's
one
of
the
largest.
It
is
I,
guess
the
largest
promoter
in
the
country.
You
hear
me
talk
about
promoters,
because
we
think
there
is
a
opportunity
to
bring
more
promoters
and
promote
promoted
activity
to
the
BC
PA.
E
The
program.
That's
there
is
beautiful.
This
is,
as
you
probably
know,
but
this
is
the
season,
and
this
is
announced
early
summer
late
spring
tickets
go
on
sale.
There
is
follow-up
promotion
through
emails
and
newsletters
throughout
the
season
that
promotes
these
events,
but
the
BC
PA
is
at
risk
on
virtually
all
of
these
events.
The
same
is
true
with
the
student
spotlight
series,
fantastic
events,
beautiful
events
that
are
happening,
but
the
BC
PA
is
at
risk
and
what
I
think
we
could
offer
is
not
to
encroach
at
all
on
these
programs.
E
We
offer
similar
programs
in
in
our
theaters
we'd
have
a
very
similar
program
to
this,
where
I
live
in
Ames,
Iowa,
Stevens
and
fish
Stevens
auditorium
and
Fisher
theater
on
the
campus
of
Iowa
State
University,
where
we
offer
the
same
kind
of
programming
and
and
by
and
large,
these
programs
do
not
make
money.
Nor
do
we
expect
them
to
well.
E
We
know
what
the
budget
is
and
we
know
where
the
risk
is,
and
we
know
exactly
where
our
breakeven
is
going
to
be,
as
we
program
that,
and
we
would
bring
that
kind
of
assessment
to
the
programming
of
these
same
sorts
of
events,
not
to
not
to
reduce
the
events,
but
in
some
cases,
if
we're
buying
the
same
event,
you've
got
kinky
boots
in
here.
Kinky
boots
is
playing
several
of
our
theaters.
E
If
we
know
what
we're
paying
in
three
other
theaters
and
we
can
help
the
BC
PA
from
overpaying
and
I'm
not
and
I
have
no
idea
what
was
paid
for
that
event,
but
at
least
we
have
a
basis
of
comparison
on
which
the
benchmark
the
kinds
of
charges
you're
seeing
for
your
production
costs.
On
top
of
that,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
bring
to
look
outward
and
bring
in
promoted
events
that
will
bring
that
that
you
don't
have
to
carry
all
the
risk.
E
For
so
your
risk
is
mitigated
the
promoter
rents,
the
hall
there's
revenue
coming
to
the
venue
from
all
from
that
rental,
also
from
food
and
beverage
sales
and
and
from
other
ancillary
revenues.
But
you
have
more
programming,
maybe
six
or
eight
events
a
year,
but
that
could
make
a
big
difference.
I
mean
that
could
be
another
50
60
70
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
the
bottom
line
of
the
B
CPA.
So
in
terms
of
programming,
we
think
that
makes
a
difference:
Midwest
routing
rialto.
E
In
Joliet,
you
see
Cedar
Rapids,
Evansville
Topeka
a
little
further
away,
Adler
and
Davenport
getting
closer
Burnsville
and
Minnesota
CY
Stephens
in
Ames.
So
you
see,
we've
got
a
lot
of
similar
venues
arranged
in
size
from
a
thousand
seats
to
about
2,500.
In
that
list
revenue
streams
that
we
can
develop
fundraising.
We
do
have
fundraising
and
fundraisers
that
are
hired
in
some
of
our
venues.
Let
me
make
a
distinction
between
fundraising
and
event.
Sponsorships
fundraising
is
a
philanthropic
gift
event.
E
Sponsorships
are
typically
applying
a
business
name
to
an
Evander
to
a
series
of
events
that
brings
in
more
revenue
than
you
would
have
just
from
ticket
sales.
We
do
a
lot
of
that
premium,
seeding
and
services
where
it's
appropriate
and
it
wouldn't
be
for
every
event,
but
maybe
there
is
premium
seating,
that's
possible
in
a
theater
in
DB
CPA,
where
for
extra
services,
maybe
there's
backstage,
maybe
there's
a
separate
reception
downstairs
or
a
before
and
after
kind
of
a
place
to
go
if
you're,
a
particular
member
of
a
seating
area.
E
So
we
might
generate
more
revenues
for
for
not
only
the
the
venue,
but
maybe
for
the
users
of
the
of
the
BCP,
a
like
the
symphony
so
that
they
would
share
in
some
of
that
revenue
as
well.
Food
and
beverage
we've
been
able
to
improve
food-and-beverage
profitability
in
the
theaters
that
we've
moved
into
by
expanding
the
food
line
by
the
the
line
of
products,
the
menus
that
are
that
are
offered
by
just
just
concentrating
on
that
service
fans.
The
the
people
that
attend
events
appreciate
that
opportunity
to
have
food
and
beverage.
That's
especially
true.
E
Like
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
do
have
a
national
contract
with
Ticketmaster.
We
have
a
very
unique
contract
with
Ticketmaster
so
that
we're
able
to
control
service
fees.
I
know
that
you
don't
have
you
have
a
different
company
now
and
that
the
BCP,
a
I
believe,
pays
an
inside
charge
that
somebody
pays
I,
don't
know
if
the
like
this,
the
symphony
or
somebody
that
sponsoring
the
event
has
to
pay
for
that.
But
it
might
be
two
three
four
dollars
a
ticket
and
then
the
customer
doesn't
pay
that
with
Ticketmaster.
E
We
have
the
option
to
turn
that
around.
If
we
want
to
make
that
a
customer
pay,
it
only
be
paid
by
somebody
using
online
purchasing
or
at
an
outlet
or
over
the
phone.
I
guess
outlets-
really
don't
quite
so
much
anymore,
but
it's
always
the
opportunity
to
go
to
the
box
office
and
pay
the
face
value
of
the
ticket.
I'd
also
point
out
that
we
have
great
analytics
available
to
us
from
Ticketmaster
so
that
we
know
where
the
tickets
are
sold.
E
We
know
how
to
get
in
touch
with
people
gives
us
a
great
advantage
in
terms
of
using
social
media
and
digital
marketing
to
be
able
to
reach
and
inform
our
our
customers
about.
What's
coming
up
so
we're
already
at
the
arena,
and
we
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
bring
the
two
operations
together
for
the
benefit
of
some
efficiency.
E
There
are
five
open
positions
between
BC
PA
and
the
arena
right
now
that
if
we
were
to
look
at
some
type
of
consolidation,
we'd
be
able
to
I
think
provide
service
where
we
need
it
and
still
save
money
overall,
for
the
number
of
positions
that
are
needed
within
the
city,
our
contract
by
the
way
is
as
it
is
in
the
arena,
it's
a
cost
plus
fee.
So
we're
not
the
cost
passed
through
us.
They
become
venue,
Works
employees,
but
they're
still
paid
they're
part
of
what
the
city
pays
to
run
the
venues.
E
So
that's
not
something
we're
paying.
I
said
it's
a
pass
through.
Everything
is
a
pass
through,
so
we're
totally
transparent,
we're
totally
accountable
in
the
way
we
manage
those
funds
in
the
way
we
receive
those
revenues
and
we're
reporting
on
a
monthly
basis.
We
do
an
annual
budget.
Then
we
report
how
we're
doing
against
that
budget
on
a
monthly
rather
I
mean
and
we
on
a
monthly
basis.
E
So
we'd
be
able
to
do
this,
we're
offering
that
for
a
fee
of
three
thousand
dollars
a
month,
and
that
comes
with,
as
I
mentioned,
before
those
boxes,
all
those
five
boxes.
So
we
maintain
a
staff
that
provides
ongoing
support
in
each
one
of
those
areas,
so
marketing,
programming,
finance
and
HR.
All
those
things
have
expertise
that
we're
able
to
help
with
now
david
said
that,
because
we
have,
a
group
of
people
were
able
to
offer
more
than
any
one
single
person
could
and
that's
true.
E
C
That's
it
just
to
want
to
hit
on
the
transparency
use
you,
because,
obviously
that's
a
very
important
one
in
salient
one
today,
but
certainly
we've
at
least
over
the
past
half
decade
plus
have
been
trying
to
insist
as
much
as
possible
on
as
much
openness
and
transparency
in
the
operations
of
Coliseum
or
the
be
CPA
or
anything
is
possible
and
specifically
you're
going
to
be
providing
us
anything.
We
want
to
know
within
what
period
of
time.
E
E
E
D
Let
me
ask
mr.
Peters
come
in
on
two
other
things:
one,
you
know
we
do
have
the
creativity
center.
Can
you
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
why
that's
not
part
of
this
proposal
and
anything
unique
about
that
and
then
second
there
has
been.
You
know
some
questions
about
bookings
going
on
and
you
know
sometimes
this
fall
has
been
a
little
dry
on
that.
E
Nothing
we
can
bring
to
the
creativity
Center.
We
don't
do
that
kind
of
programming.
When
we
take
on
an
account,
we
have
to
be
able
to
show
how
we're
going
to
increase
revenues
and
reduce
expenses
in
order
to
pay
not
only
pay
for
ourselves
but
improve
the
bottom
line
of
you,
the
city
of
Bloomington,
the
sorts
of
programming
going
on
in
the
creativity
center
are
not
in
our
wheelhouse
and
so
we're
just
not
prepared
to
do
that.
E
That's
why
we
didn't
bid
on
that
in
terms
of
programming
we're
in
the
process
of
repositioning
the
arena,
so
that
we're
not
overpaying
for
events.
We
want
to
have
that
risk
assessment.
We
want
to
mitigate
the
risk.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
personally
spent
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
didn't
come
back
to
me
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
sponsoring
events
and
promoting
events
at
the
arena,
but
we're
mitigating
your
risk
where
we're
bringing
our
own
money
and
we've
certainly
got
skin
in
the
game.
E
In
terms
of
promoting
these
events,
we
have
a
few
weeks
a
couple
of
periods
as
follower.
We
held
dates
for
changing
over
the
dasher
and
I
system
to
a
new
system,
hope
that
would
happen
in
November
and
that
looks
like
that's
happening
in
December,
so
those
dates,
but
that
blocked
us
trying
to
book,
maybe
quite
as
much
as
we
wanted
to
in
any
case
we're
looking
at
six,
maybe
seven
good,
strong
events
that
are
in
our
pipeline.
E
That
should
happen
between
now
and
April
and
we
think
we're
getting
there
in
terms
of
turning
the
corner
and
bringing
those
I
mean
right.
Now
you
see
that
we've
got
Gaffigan,
we've
got
paw
patrol
very
popular,
then
we've
got
Cirque
holidays,
so
we
were
we're,
bringing
those
events,
not
only
just
the
the
country.
Events
like
we
had
with
Hank
jr.,
but
other
events,
Chris
Stapleton
in
the
spring
was
sellout,
so
we're
getting
there.
But
this
was
an
arena
that
was
known
as
paying
top
dollar
for
events,
and
sometimes
that's
not
warranted
and
we're
repositioning
that.
D
Let
me
just
add,
regarding
the
creativity
Center
our
highest
priority
has
been.
Is
their
council
desire
to
continue
to
consider
this
proposal
from
venue
works?
If
there
is,
then
what
I
would
propose
that
in
two
weeks
we
bring
to
you,
what's
really
going
to
be
an
amendment
to
the
Master
Agreement,
because
we
see
in
the
master
agreement
between
many
works
in
the
city
for
the
arena?
It
covers
so
many
of
the
same
issues.
D
So
it
would
be
an
amendment
to
add
the
BC
PA
on
the
same
terms
and
conditions,
but
with
a
few
differences
such
as
the
fee
and
so
forth.
There
is
that's
something
we
could.
You
know
have
continued
discussion
say
in
a
in
another
week
or
two,
but
that's
kind
of
one
of
the
things
we
were
didn't
wanting
to
see
some
direction
tonight.
Would
you
like
to
continue
to
proceed
now?
Secondly,
if
the
answer
is
yes
well,
we
are,
will
also
bring
back
to
you
as
well.
What
is
the
plan
for
the
creativity
center
going
forward?
D
Keep
in
mind
that
currently,
that
building
has
a
lot
to
be
desired
and
that's
one
thing
that
I'm
working
with
Steve
Rasmussen
the
parks
director.
This
is
a
building
that
is
in
need
of
major
major
renovation.
You
all
know
the
price
tag,
and
so
what
we're
going
to
be
looking
at
is
okay,
the
current
status
quo.
What
can
we
do
with
all
the
ills
or
the
challenges
we
have
in
that
building?
But
what
would
be
the
future
and
what
resources
might
be
needed?
D
Keep
in
mind
that
the
mission,
the
creativity
center
is
not
going
to
be
a
profit
generating
ventured
net.
Nevertheless,
so
my
recommendation,
that
is,
we
start
to
look
at
the
future
for
the
creativity
center.
You'll
probably
want
to
look
at
that
as
any
and
all
other
programs
of
the
city,
because
they're
all
going
to
be
competing
for
part
of
those
operating
dollars
and
especially
capital
dollars,
to
get
them
up
to
a
state
of
usability
and
expansion
to
fully
utilize
that
building.
But
that's
some
we're
working
on
now.
D
D
C
H
Got
a
laundry
list
of
questions
so
that
I
would
just
say
first
of
all,
David
I've
expressed
this
to
you
as
well
that
any
kind
of
conversation
about
this
for
me
moving
forward.
It
all
depends
on
the
creativity
center
and
how
that's
tied
in
along
with
summer
theater
program.
You
know,
that's
all
part
of
it.
H
I'd
also
say
that,
in
terms
of
the
creativity
Center,
we
have
a
group
of
folks
in
town
or
private
residents
who
have
been
trying
to
help
they've
already
raised
a
million
dollars
of
private
money,
and
we
have
been
the
slow
down
on
that
they've.
Actually,
we've
had
been
waiting
on
approval
of
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding
for
nine
months
at
this
point
to
move
forward
with
that
which
actually
leads
me
into
the
second
question
is
Steve
you
mentioned
fundraising
and
and
David
on,
or
anybody
can
answer
me.
H
This
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
we
have
fundraising
at
the
BCP
a
is
that
different
than
fundraising
for
the
creativity
Center
is
the
Friends
of
the
BCP
a.
How
does
that
I
mean
that
that's
a
question
I
need
answered
is
how
does
that
all
play
together
with
the
Friends
of
the
BCP,
a
group
and
fundraising
and
I
mean
that
group
has
gone
so
far?
Is
that
they're
talking
about
helping
us
fund
a
development
person
full-time
that
would
be
like
a
half
city
staff,
have
private
staff
person
kind
of
modeled
after
the
Zoological
Society?
H
H
H
E
Could
be
applied
to
a
theater
we're
actually
looking
at
a
few
of
those
right
now,
some
of
these
one,
in
particular
historic
theater,
where
there's
a
new
interest
in
and
a
applying
a
naming
sponsor
to
it.
But
that's
up
to
you,
we
really
kind
of
just
threw
everything
we
put
it
all
in
there
is.
This
is
what's
available
from
us,
so
if
that
was
something
that
you
were
interested
in
our
doing,
we
could
seek
that
when
we
do
something
like
that.
Well,
we
did
it
with
Grossinger,
but
I
mean
we.
E
We
use
a
company
out
of
Michigan
that
does
a
lot
of
work
for
NASCAR
and
they
determine
what
the
value
is
of
those
impressions.
So
there's
a
number
of
impressions
of
BCP
a
it
generates
each
year
and
you
figure
okay,
if
a
sponsor
had
their
name
on
that.
What
would
that
sponsor
pay
to
recreate
those
same
number
of
impressions
to
a
range
of
media,
from
social
media,
to
traditional
print,
radio,
TV
and
so
forth?
That
comes
back
and
it's
always
quite
a
number.
E
This
is
group
Harbor
and
then
we
try
to
get
like
a
five
to
one
value
to
price
ratio
that
we
can
show
a
sponsor.
So
if
it
was
a
million
dollars
a
year,
we
would
we
don't
always
get
5
to
1
or
1/5
of
that.
But
maybe
it's
you
know
it's
a
hundred
thousand
a
year,
125
thousand
a
year
up
to
two
hundred
thousand
a
year
that
you
might
ask
a
sponsor
for
and
so
and
then
we
develop
proposals
and
we
identify
with
you
good
prospects
for
naming
rights,
and
then
we
move
forward.
Ok,.
H
A
couple
more
questions
that
were
came
out
of
your
presentation:
the
maintenance
section
was
lengthy
and
I
love
to
see
the
ongoing
continuous
capital
improvements
of
a
building.
So
we
don't
have
issues
it
references
several
times.
A
CMMS
system
for
keeping
up
with
the
maintenance
and
I.
Don't
think
we
have
one
right
now.
Well,.
E
And
you
wouldn't
be
subjected
to
that
I
mean
we
bring
some
elements
of
that
anyway,
so
that
that
would
sort
of
come
along
with
us,
I
guess,
but
we're
not
so
tied
with
that,
as
we
are
having
a
strict
regiment
that
we
know
that
we're
keeping
the
maintenance
and
I'm
talking
the
things
that
we
would
do
might
be
the
most
mundane
sorts
of
things.
You
know,
there's
you
know
patching
a
wall
where
plaster
got
pushed
out
or
repairing
a
light
switch
or
you
know
just
doing
a
number
of
things
that
come
up.
E
But
you
know
in
the
capital
planning
is
a
whole
different
thing
where
we'd
be
planning
with
you,
probably
on
a
five-year
plan
for
any
kind
of
capital,
improvements
or
just
maintenance.
What's
the
roof?
What's
the
life
expectancy
on
the
roof,
and
when
do
you
think
that
that's
going
to
come
up,
we
prioritize
capital
planning
into
three
things.
One
is
protect.
The
asset
you
already
have
so
is
go
to
the
roof.
That's
a
roof,
isn't
good!
Nothing
under
it
is
safe,
so
protect
what
you
have.
What
ability?
Well,
first,
I'll
go
I
vacuum
in
further
life.
E
E
H
E
Probable,
more
common
with
the
Performing
Arts,
but
we
very
often
have
advice
reports
we're
used
to
working
with
boards,
whatever
a
city
would
set
up
and
want
us
to
work
with
we'd,
be
happy
to
work
with
them.
Okay,
your
gives
us
input
from
the
community
and
it
also
provides
us
the
opportunity
to
send
in
information
out
to
the
community
through
the
people
that
sit
on
that
board.
Okay,.
H
And
David,
this
might
be
another
question
for
you,
but
you
know
have
we
talked
to
any
of
the
communities
where
venue
works,
provides
a
multi
venue
contract
to
find
out
how
that's
going
between
the
various
venues
I
mean
to
get
there
as
an
example.
Maybe
you
know
Ames
Iowa,
where
they've
got
our
Cedar
Rapids,
where
they
have
the
four
venues,
not.
D
Since
we
brought
Benny
works
in
a
year
and
a
half
ago,
when
we
initially
reached
out
even
at
that
early
stage,
you
know
comments,
we
knew
that
they
had
experience
and
managing
moldable
venues
of
the
Year
outreach
we
did
at
that
time.
We
received
a
lot
of
very
positive
feedback
now,
each
each
area,
it
is
very
different
because
the
local
dynamics
booking
and
things
like
that
is
unique
and
I-
think
that's.
What
we're
finding
here
is
Bloomington
is
different
and
our
competition
continues
to
go
up.
D
Let
me
if
I
can't
also
mention
a
couple
of
the
other
comments
you
had
as
first
off
I
do
believe
that
the
discussion
of
the
creativity
Center
can
run
parallel
to
and
separate
from
the
BCP
a
because
keep
in
mind.
The
BC
PA
is
where
the
bulk
of
the
current
funding
and
the
seriousness
of
the
what
has
been
a
growing
operating
deficit
has
has
been
growing
in
the
BC
PA,
not
the
creativity,
Center.
D
Some
of
that
we're
waiting
on
those
bids
the
HVAC
is
Farnsworth-
has
happened
to
modify
that
because
so
much
of
that
is
tied
into
what's
the
final
design
at
the
BC
PA
I
do
think
one
thing
that
is
going
to
be
critical
for
the
council
in
the
very
near
future
to
talk
about
what
is
going
to
be
the
public
dollar
contribution
or
commitment,
together
with
private
dollars,
for
the
eventual
May
main
price
tag
for
renovation
of
the
creativity
center
and
I.
Can't
underestimate
that,
because
again
HVAC
it
works
hand-in-hand
with.
D
What's
the
final
plan
and
just
like
with
the
Zoological
Society,
we've
worked
out
kind
of
a
cost-sharing
arrangement.
I
think
that
is
a
yet
to
be
determined
policy
decision
by
the
council
of
how
much
tax
dollars
are
going
to
be
contributed,
how
much
from
private
dollars
or
should
it
all
come
from
the
private
sector.
So
those
and
keep
in
mind
the
there
is
a
proposed
mou
out
there
from
the
Friends
of
the
BC
PA.
Currently
I
believe
that
we
need
to
act
on
which
wait
we
going.
D
Are
we
going
to
outsource
and
contract
with
venue
works
and,
if
not,
then
our
current
process
of
having
Parks
and
Rec
and
BC
EPA
oversee
both
the
BC
PA
and
the
creativity
Center
is
something
you
know
that
we
could
continue
under
that
model.
But
again
the
big
question
is:
do
we
kind
of
look
at
separating
the
management
of
the
two?
C
To
let
you
know
we
we're
gonna
I'm
gonna.
Let
you
finish
your
questions.
It's
just
we're
gonna
have
to.
We
are
actually
over
time.
So
we're
gonna
have
to
make
one
of
two
decisions
when
you're
finished,
and
that
is
either
we
only
view
part
of,
or
we
postpone,
item
9
to
the
next
meeting.
I
wanted
it.
May
you
know,
city
manager,
Hills
and
I,
wanted
it
to
come
out
as
soon
as
possible,
but
that's
gonna
have
to
be
a
tragic
choice
that
we
make
shortly
so
I'm
gonna.
H
More
question:
as
okay
or
one
more
comment
and
I'll
just
say:
you
know
I'm
as
budget
conscious
as
anybody,
but
with
all
the
conversations
that
I
had
and
everybody
who's
reached
out
to
me
since
last
week,
since
we
put
out
that
this
was
going
to
be
a
topic
and
it's
been
a
lot
of
conversations,
not
a
single
person
has
mentioned
saving
money
yet,
inter
at
the
be
CPA
as
something
that
was
important
to
them.
Almost
every
conversation
I've
had
so
far
has
been
about
the
programming
and
the
content,
and
what
will
it
look
like?
H
C
D
C
J
J
J
J
C
K
E
E
E
E
Casino
it
the
the
difference
between
what
I'm
talking
about
in
terms
of
added
programming
and
what
this,
what
these
seasons
represent,
is
that
these
are
booked
months
and
months
in
advance.
The
kinds
of
shows
were
talking
about
booked
on
a
much
shorter
cycle,
so
three,
four
or
five
months
like
we
talked
about,
holds
that
we
have
now
for
a
pipeline
that
goes
through,
say
April,
so
these
are
announced
and
on
the
before
we'd
be
booking
most
of
that
stuff.
E
G
We
should
tell
the
be
CPA
or
we
should
get
rid
of
the
golf
courses
or
something
like
that.
So
I
just
appreciate
that
the
level
of
detail-
that's
here
and
I'll,
be
very
brief
and
I
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
people
that
want
to
speak
I'm,
not
inclined
to
move
forward
with
this
proposal
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why
and
I
want
to
just
turn
everybody's
attention
to
page
56
of
the
proposal,
the
marketing
overview,
the
venue
works
has
been
involved
with
the
arena.
G
Now,
for
a
little
bit
of
time,
and
as
somebody
who
pays
attention
to
what's
going
on
in
the
city,
I
often
miss
things
that
are
going
on
at
the
arena,
I
hear
about
shows
after
they've
happened
when
I
would
likely
be
a
very
paying
customer
and
and
I
worry
that
the
marketing
and
the
feeling
of
filling
of
seats
and
the
shows
that
are
there-
may
translate
to
the
BCP.
A
and
I
love
the
BCP
I've
been
to
many
shows
there
and
it's
the
feedback
that
I've
gotten
from
the
public
is.
G
Why
are
we
doing
this
and
you
can
talk
about
the
finances
and
and
that?
But
the
question
in
front
of
me
tonight
is:
do
you
want
to
proceed
with
this
further,
and
my
answer
at
this
point
in
time
is
no
because
looking
at
some
of
the
once,
we
are
armed
with
a
complete
view
of
the
market
venue
works.
Marketing
department
will
work
with
local
stakeholders
to
develop
strategic
marketing
plans
that
will
serve
as
visual
blueprints
for
positioning
and
marketing
the
bleeding
Center
for
the
Performing
Arts.
G
Yes,
but
we've
been
the
community,
for
you
know,
year
18
months,
there
should
be
a
complete
view
of
the
market
and
and
as
somebody
who
is
a
little
disappointed
in
the
performance
thus
far
and
I
I
tend
to
tie
people
as
what
they've
done
to
what
they
will
do
and
I'm
concerned.
So
I
I'm
gonna
just
go
ahead
and
say
at
this
point:
I'm
I'm
not
interested
in
proceeding,
but
that's
not
for
lack
of
detail
or
looking
at
the
numbers,
because
we
appreciate
your
diligence
and
I
look
forward
to
future
conversation.
E
L
We
and
we
do
already
have
some
event
sponsorships
in
place
in
premium
seating,
and
my
concern
is
similar
to
all
the
red
flags
about
marketing
of
the
BC
PA
I
haven't
I,
haven't
seen
a
lot,
we're
probably
one
of
the
only
five
people
in
the
city
that
take
the
pantograph.
Sorry
Maria,
it's
a
paper
copy
of
the
pantograph
and
you
know
I,
don't
see,
I,
don't
see
a
lot
of
advertising
about
events.
What's
convinced
what's
considered
a
major
event
got
a
Hank
Williams,
sir!
Well.
L
E
B
E
Probably
the
new
year
so
because
they've
got
a
book,
they're
gonna
need
six
or
eight
weeks
of
promotion
time,
so
yeah
you're
not
going
to
see
them
until
after
the
first
of
the
year,
with
one
possible
exception.
I
think
we
have
one
possible
exception
coming
up
yet
to
my
dad
for
this
year,
but
I'm
not
just
I'm
I'm,
not
happy
with
where
we
at
in
the
arena,
ear
to
all
them
and
blacks.
E
L
L
E
K
M
How
you
know
what
the
appeal
is,
but
in
general
I
think
there
is
value
in
continuing
this
conversation.
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
very
deliberate,
I
think
what
you're
hearing
here
is
how
much
the
community
really
values
this
facility
and
that
we
understand
that
the
value
does
not
always
show
up
on
a
spreadsheet.
M
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
those
other
aspects
bring
a
lot
of
value
to
our
community
are
preserved,
depending
on
how
we
go
forward,
but
I
think
we
should
continue
this
conversation
and
and
fully
explore
this
this
option
and
the
opportunities
that
may
provide
and
make
sure
we
have
any
of
our
concerns
about
changes.
You
know
addressed
or
to
know
what
we're
getting
into
my
question
is
we
have
the
cultural
district
Commission
its
job
is
to
help
advise
the
council.
We
have
a
number
of
members
from
that
Commission
here
this
evening.
M
I'm
curious,
if
other
members
on
council
would
be
interested
in
in
sending
this
to
the
cultural
district,
to
make
Commission
to
have
them
evaluate
and
give
us
their
feedback
as
that
body
that
looks
at
this
area
and
has
been
very
involved
in
the
BCP
over
the
years
and
can
I
know
they
have
a
lot
of
concerns
and
questions
that
are
very
well
informed
and
could
help
us
help
guide
us
in
this
decision.
Decision-Making
process.
D
Could
I
just
interject
as
a
tie-in
the
net?
We
did
have
a
meeting
scheduled
for
last
Thursday,
but
but
there
was
a
staff
mix-up
and
the
proper
meeting
notice
wasn't
advertised,
so
we're
gonna
be
there
this
Thursday
morning,
but
did
want
to
share
with
you.
It
was
good
intentions
to
get
with
them
ahead
of
time
until
the
ball
was
dropped
on
the
public
meeting
nose.
Thank
you
great.
F
C
F
Okay,
I'll
be
briefly
because
I
think
a
lot
of
the
questions
have
been
asked
already,
but
I
think
similar
to
all
the
mattheum
I'm,
really
curious.
What
other
you
know,
communities
have
to
say
about
this
specific
arrangement.
I
know
we,
you
know
you,
you
did
a
reference
check.
You
know
a
while
back
when
it
was
only
about
the
arena,
but
I
I
think
would
be
nice
to
get
a
refresh
and
investigate
that
a
little
bit
further
to
see
what
exactly
their
experiences
could.
E
I
respond
to
one
thing,
because
I
I'm
sure
they
may
be
a
referencing
Burlington
Iowa
and
we're
good,
but
we're
not
perfect.
So
we've
been
in
Burlington
Iowa
for
three
years
managing
to
build
the
Burlington
Memorial
Auditorium,
a
very
old
theater
auditorium
flat
floor
balcony
wraps
around
that
stage
at
one
end
and
some
service
area
down
below
it's
right
on
the
banks
of
the
Mississippi
and
in
some
times
it's
in
the
Mississippi,
and
there
are
flood
barriers
around
the
building
a
number
of
months
of
the
year.
Almost
every
year
our
box
office
has
been
underwater.
E
It's
across
the
parking
lot
and
a
forum
visitor
center
more
than
once,
and
the
city
has
come
to
the
opinion
that
they
don't
want
to
continue
to
spend
the
kind
of
money
to
keep
in
a
venue
that
can
host
touring
entertainment
and
was
our
recommendation.
We
said,
look
you.
They
have
limited
funds,
we
were
able
to
pay
for
ourselves
in
terms
of
new
revenue,
but
we
were
never
able
to
bring
the
the
total
investment
down
because
it
was
a
difficult
sell.
E
Quite
frankly,
so
we
recommend
it
and
I
think
the
direction
that
they're
going
to
take
is
we're
filling
out
our
obligations
to
the
end
of
this
year.
At
the
end
of
this
year,
they're
going
to
it's
going
to
become
what
I
would
call
a
community
based
center,
where
they
won't
offer
all
the
services
that
we
would
necessarily
offer.
People
will
will
use
it
more
of
the
what
I
call
four
wall
kind
of
experience,
whether
they
bring
in
their
own
services
and
it'll
cost
less
to
do.
They
do
have
one
season
of
series.
E
The
community
concert
series
that
that
brings
I,
think
eight
events
a
year
through
there
and
hopefully
they'll-
be
able
to
continue
that,
but
it
just
didn't
seem
to
be
a
place
where
they
should
continue
to
spend
money
on
us
and
they
have
a
lot
of
other
places
for
that.
So
that
was
I
think
that
was
a
mutual
agreement.
It
wasn't
us
just
walking
away
from
okay.
F
I
I
think
the
the
other
thing
that
I
I'm
also
concerned
about
again.
I
am
interested
in
continuing
the
conversation
but
I
I
I'm.
Not
quite
sure
you
talked
about
the
sweet
spot.
You
know
in
you
know
in
each
area
that
you
go,
you
go
to
and
and
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
competition
for
entertainment
dollars
in
the
area
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure.
F
You
know
I'm
reminded
of
a
former
director
of
athletics
at
ISU,
who
said
that
his
his
biggest
competition,
you
know,
was
not
other
sports
programs
necessarily
or
other
football
programs
as.
K
F
Sports,
you
know,
because
parents
go
all
day,
you
know
to
their
kids
sports
and
in
the
evening
they
just
don't
have
time
or
feel
like
going
to
to
any
of
the
other
events.
So
I
I'm
really
curious
how
you're
going
to
make
that
work
while
preserving
the
character
of
the
BCP.
A
that's
been
know
so
dear
to
a
lot
of
good
cause.
We
definitely
want
to
preserve
that.
C
Oldman
stage
thank.
B
You
I'll
be
brief:
I'm
David
I'm
in
favor
of
continuing
the
conversation.
There
are
a
number
of
questions,
I
think
have
been
raised
and
I
think
that
that
additional
due
diligence
will
help
help
us
make
a
better
informed
decision.
I
will
say:
I
am
reminded
again
that
that
our
city
manager,
city
staff,
has
reminded
us.
We
are
quickly
approaching
a
million
dollar-plus,
perhaps
higher
structural
deficit.
B
As
we
look
at
next
year's
budget,
these
conversations
and
these
decisions
will
not
get
any
easier
and
each
time
we
begin
to
talk
about
something
and
look
at
an
alternative
delivery
of
service
or
reduction
in
service.
The
gallery
will
be
filled
with
familiar
faces,
and
so
again
I
would
just
encourage
all
of
us
to
recognize
that
we
cannot
continue
to
avoid
those
tough
conversations
we
talked
about
it.
All
during
black
spoke
very
eloquently
about
it
a
few
weeks
ago.
The
need
that
we're
going
to
have
to
have
going
into
the
budget
it
process.
B
I
will
tell
you
I'm
less
than
optimistic
after
what
I've
seen
here
over
the
last
couple
years,
that
that
we
will
have
the
leadership
courage
to
make
those
tough
decisions,
because
I
promise
you
the
gallery
will
get
get
more
full
the
faces
will
become
more
familiar
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
then
it's
we
have
a
multi-million
dollar
structural
deficit
and
either
changes
in
service
delivery
are
going
to
have
to
be
made
or
taxes
are
going
to
have
to
be
raised.
It's
not
more
complicated
than
that.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
N
Will
also
be
brief,
I.
There
are
many
things
in
this
proposal
that
I
like,
and
there
are
many
things
in
here
that
I
have
some
deep
questions
about
I,
really
like
ottoman
Burgesses
suggestion
that
we
get
some
feedback
from
the
cultural
district
I.
Don't
any
of
them
have
seen
this,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
helping
us
keep
true
to
the
mission
and
the
vision
of
the
BC
PA
I
would
really
value
their
perspective.
C
If
I
can
summarize
our
conversation,
if
others
can
correct
me,
we
are
interested
in
continuing
this
conversation
and
with
specific
reference
to
the
cultural
district
commission
itself,
that
it
will
be
meeting
this
Thursday
and
getting
some
of
their
feedback
and
continuing.
Obviously,
our
due
diligence
and
obviously
the
the
cost
factor
moving
forward,
with
particular
emphasis
on
the
role
in
a
creativity
center
is
that
Ferriss
statement?
Ok,
so
I
think
that's
the
guidance
that
we
have.
C
E
You
know,
let
us
know
how
we
can
help
have
all
the
money
in
the
world
I
do
what
I
tell
you
and
I
don't
have
to
take
any
credit
for
this,
but
I
live
in
the
town
of
Ames
Iowa.
This
Iowa
State
University,
it's
University
town,
but
there
is
no
credit
to
me,
but
there's
a
wonderful
venue.
There
called
the
Octagon.
E
That
is
very
much
like
what
I
think
your
creative
tivity
Center
could
become,
and
those
that
are
in
want
to
plan
that
might
want
to
take
a
trip
over
to
Ames
I'm
sure
the
folks
there
would
would
share
information,
but
it
it
was
there
when
I
came
to
Ames
in
82,
so
it
goes
back
a
long
ways.
There's
accomplishing
many
of
the
same
things
you'd
like
your
creativity
center
to
accomplish.
C
C
We
may
need
to
continue
it
I
mean
how
long
we
go
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
all
them
in
stage
you
circulate
a
petition
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
we
typically
when
we
have
something
put
on
the
agenda,
it's
either
the
mayor
in
the
city,
manager
or
City
Council
petition
city
council
petitions
take
weeks
sometimes
months
to
get
on
this.
We
received
October
4th
and
it's
on.
So
it's
with
record
speed
for
a
lot
of
reasons.
C
B
B
It
seemed
to
me
that
that
probably
our
policies
needed
to
be
revisited,
and
perhaps
specifically
for
us
as
elected
officials,
that
we
might
you
know,
be
willing
to
hold
ourselves
to
a
higher
standard
related
to
that,
and
so
so
what
I
did
was
just
to
begin
to
have
some
very
you
know,
general
conversations
with
individual
aldermen
and
there
seem
to
be
a
consensus
from
those
that
I
spoke
with
that
that
this
was
a
topic
worth
worth
visiting
more
about
so
so
what
I
did
was
then
approach.
Mr.
J
Alderman
sage,
good
evening,
everybody
alderman
sage
contacted
me
today
and
asked
that
I
go
through
kind
of
some.
Some
major
points
on
this.
The
first
one
as
as
he
talked
to
me
about
this
policy,
was
wanting
a
single,
authoritative
document
for
elected
officials,
thought
that
was
an
important
point.
That
I
think
he
had
maybe
discussed
with
some
of
the
aldermen.
So
right
now
we
currently
have
a
number
of
different
policies.
We
have
a
p-card
policy
that
governs
the
purchases
on
city
credit
cards.
We
have
a
policy
on
travel,
reimbursement
and
travel.
J
The
second
point
that
he
talked
about
was
transparency,
wanting
something
that
improves
transparency,
for
the
taxpayers
gives
clear
line-of-sight
as
to
how
the
policies
are
to
be
implemented
and
handled
and
reimbursements
to
be
made.
As
you
can
see
from
the
policy.
A
part
of
this
major
overhaul
is
to
change
from
a
direct
purchase
policy
or
practice
to
a
reimbursement
model
for
the
city,
and
some
of
you
have
discussed
with
me
how
this
is
perhaps
more
in
line
with
common
business
practices
and
something
you
wanted
to
see
put
in
place
for
the
elected
officials.
J
The
third
major
issue
that
alderman
sage
wanted
addressed
in
the
policy
was
clarity
on
the
types
of
meals
that
would
be
subject
to
reimbursement
and
tighter
restrictions,
as
outlined
in
the
policy,
and
you
can
read
some
of
that
in
there
and
I'd
be
happy
to
go
over
some
more
of
that
as
well.
Fourth
issue
was
the
prohibition
on
elected
officials
from
having
a
p-card
in
their
name
again.
This
is
kind
of
change
from
a
reimbursement
model
or
change
to
a
reimbursement
model
on
expenses.
J
It
does
not
prohibit
administration
from
putting
certain
charges
on
a
city
p-card.
So,
for
example,
if
a
airline
ticket
does
need
to
be
purchased,
a
registration
to
a
conference
or
a
hotel
for
a
conference
city
administration
could
still
put
that
on
a
city
administration
p-card
because
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
that
you
would
expect
an
elected
official
with
the
you
know,
nominal
salaries
that
are
received
for
you
to
have,
to
put
you
know,
a
two
three
or
four
thousand
dollar
charge
on
your
personal
credit
card.
J
L
L
J
L
Mileage
and
parking
and
and
other
transportation
costs
if
it's
ground,
if
it's
ground
transportation
seems
like.
If
multiple
people
are
traveling
to
the
same
place,
we
should
be
coordinating
those
rather
than
having
four
people
driving
to
Chicago
for
IML
in
separate
mileage
and
parking
etc.
So,
looking
at
the
economizing
and.
L
B
F
J
B
Lemon
sage,
thank
you
and-
and
let
me
comment
first
before
then:
I
moved
to
the
ask,
and
that
is
David
and
I've
said
this
before
publicly
one
of
the
one
of
the
practices
that
I
have
appreciated
that
you
have
implemented.
Is
this
idea
that
we
we
talk
about
a
topic,
an
agenda
item,
a
proposal
if
you
will
at
one
meeting
and
then
in
fairly
quick
order,
move
towards
putting
it
on
the
agenda
for
for
the
next
meeting
or
very
soon
and
again,
I
I,
like
the
approach
has
been
taken
with
this
tonight.
B
N
I
Just
want
to
thank
Jeff
for
his
work
on
this
I
think
as
those
those
folks
that
signed
on
to
get
this
together
worked
with
you.
We
were
just
you
know,
amazed
it
that
the
speed
with
which
you're
able
to
put
things
together-
and
we
thank
you
for
that-
but
also
in
the
thoroughness
and
any
idea
that
this
is
going
forward.
Practice
a
guidepost
and
a
guideline
for
all
of
us
to
have
some
predictability
about
how
we
can
manage
our
expenses
and
and
and
just
in
a
going-forward
way
have
that
consensus
and
guidance.
C
The
herbs
develop
a
final
comment:
oh
okay,
no
all
right,
I,
think
we've
got
guidance
on
this
and
we
will
I
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
we'll
see
you
in
about
nine
minutes.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
this
meeting,
move
by
Otto
Hahn
helmet?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
alderman
black,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
return?
See
you
in
eight
minutes.