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January 11, 2016 - City Council Work Session
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C
D
A
A
D
First
time
for
everything,
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
you
for
letting
me
talk
about
the
issues
on
the
Gulf
mr.
Hales,
a
city
manager.
It's
your
responsibility
on
how
the
departments
are
managed,
and
why
have
we
let
the
golf
courses
get
to
this
point
and
why
haven't
we
dealt
with
this
sooner?
Have
you
asked
each
of
the
course
managers
how
and
where
they
can
make
the
cuts
for
the
upcoming
year?
D
D
If
the
city
council
decides
to
get
an
independent
contract
to
manage
our
courses,
is
this
not
an
indication
that
you
and
your
departments
are
not
capable
of
doing
the
job
with
all
the
courses
being
in
the
parks
and
rec
budget?
Why
isn't
it,
and
maybe
they
are
I,
don't
know
all
three
courses
combined,
it
shows
in
2016
projected
that
Hyland
will
lose
28,500
eight
dollars.
The
den
will
have
a
profit
of
thirty
3081
dollars.
D
Very
Vista
will
have
a
profit
of
a
hundred
and
eighty
seven
thousand,
if
you
add
all
these
up
to
combined
profits
as
191,000.
The
golf
courses
are
not
losing
money
2017,
its
projected
Highland
will
lose
only
fourteen
thousand
seven
hundred
ninety,
the
den
making
40
7029
very
Vista,
making
174,000
596.
If
you
combine
all
three
of
these,
the
profits
again
is
a
two
hundred
and
six
thousand
eight
hundred
and
thirty-five
dollars
is
also
stated
that
there
is
improvements
needed
highland
needing
1.3
million
dollars
in
renovations,
the
den
at
150,000
and
prairie
vista
at
244,000.
D
Before
we
go
out
and
hire
an
outside
consultant
to
make
the
decision
for
you
I'm
quite
sure,
by
sitting
down
with
the
course
managers,
these
numbers
could
be
reduced
by
for
next
year,
but
the
figures
one
can
clearly
see
that
Highland
has
a
target
on
its
back.
Mr.
Hales
you
and
most
of
your
managers
and
staff
are
not
from
Bloomington.
Highland
doesn't
mean
anything
to
you,
except
it's
a
golf
course,
and
it's
losing
money,
but
to
us
that
have
lived
here
for
most
of
our
lives
is
much
more
than
a
piece
of
ground.
D
It's
part
of
us.
It's
Bloomington
Highland
caters
to
mostly
seniors
and
beginners,
being
the
most
cost
effective
for
them,
but
yet
challenging
them
and
by
the
way,
how
much
money
does
it
take
to
maintain
our
parks
and
what's
it
costing,
how
much
money
to
our
parks
make
how
to
take
to
maintain
them
and
looking
at
the
you.
D
E
On
the
clock,
we,
a
bunch
of
our
fellow
golfers,
have
been
observing
this
money
saving
project
of
the
task
force
for
the
past
months
with
great
interest.
We
have
heard
suggestions
of
raising
garbage
fees,
closing
the
cultural
center
closing
Highland
and
others
all
ideas
that
could
help
the
financial
problems
of
the
city.
Now
we
have
tonight
option
1
and
2
to
privatize
the
management
of
the
golf
courses,
options
that
will
save
the
city.
Nothing
financially.
E
E
They
will
get
the
city
out
of
the
golf
course
business,
because
the
city
staff
will
no
longer
be
in
charge
of
handling
the
courses.
Unfortunately,
however,
these
so-called
savings
are
all
contrary
to
the
mission
statement
of
the
city
of
Bloomington.
We
do
not.
We
do
know
that
in
this
actuality,
for
options
were
originally
prepared
for
this
presentation
tonight,
but
for
some
reason,
options.
Three
and
four
were
left
out
of
this
presentation.
We
questioned
why
viable
option
for
has
been
removed.
E
This
option
is
to
keep
the
current
staff
and
move
and
move
the
golf
courses
out
of
the
enterprise
zone
and
back
to
the
general
fund
and
eliminate
the
hundred
and
thirty-nine
thousand
administrative
fee
charged
to
the
courses.
Also,
this
option
would
include
forgiving
the
charge
for
water
for
Highland
that
averages
fifty
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
is
paid
to
the
city
water
department.
These
two
items
would
save
a
hundred
ninety
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
expenses.
E
This
fourth
option
would
also
include
changing
the
fee
structure
at
the
three
courses,
which
in
turn
would
increase
revenue.
We
feel
that
these
changes
would
one
keep
the
ownership
and
management
with
the
people
who
truly
care
about
the
course
and
to
make
enough
money
to
minimize
or
eliminate
City
financial
support.
The
question,
then,
is
this:
how
best
can
inform
decision
be
made
on
this
issue?
We
recommend
that
a
six-person
advisory
committee
be
formed.
E
That
would
consist
of
three
golfers
from
the
Chamber
of
Commerce
and
the
Joint
Economic
Development
Council
and
three
season
pass
holders
from
each
of
the
golf
courses
to
work
with
Jason
Wingate.
The
PGA
pro
these
knowledgeable
people
can
provide
better
informed
ideas
to
the
mayor
city,
council,
city
manager,
regarding
what
the
citizens
of
Bloomington
want.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
F
Members
of
the
council
good
evening,
I
didn't
come
with
prepared
speech,
I'm,
just
a
retired
person
that
loves
the
game
of
golf
had
grown
up
in
Bloomington,
almost
all
of
my
life
when
I
was
not
out
working
in
Massachusetts
in
Chicago,
but
always
come
back
home
and
always
come
back
home
to
Highland
golf
course.
Now,
I've
heard
a
lot
of
things
going
on
about.
What's
going
to
happen
to
Highland
the
cost
I've
heard
vicious
rumors
about
it
being
developed
into
housing.
Mayor
Renard
is
that
true,
we're.
A
Just
to
make
it
clear
here
we're
going
to
talk
about
this.
We
we
have
public
comment.
We
do
not
respond
here.
If
you
want
direct
answers,
just
that
everybody
understands,
we
have
a
mayor's
open
house
on
Friday
and
some
of
the
people
here
came
and
got
some
answers:
4
30,
25
30.
This
is
for
people
to
make
their
attitudes
known.
Okay,.
F
A
F
Fine,
if,
if
the
finance
is
the
issue
for
Highland
and
the
other
golf
courses,
my
wife
plays
Highland
a
lot
of
our
friends
play
Highland.
I
play
it,
I
like
it.
It's
a
great
course
I'm,
not
PGA
pro
qualified
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
would
hate
like
everything
to
see
that
course
go
away.
If
you
need
to
do
something
raise
the
fees,
a
dollar,
you
played
19
thousand
rounds
at
Highland,
that's
nineteen
thousand
extra
dollars
and
we're
in
the
hole
what
nine
thousand
dollars
and
it's
going
to
make
money
next
year.
F
A
G
I'm
also
here
to
comment
on
the
Bloomington
golf
situation,
contrary
to
much
of
the
rest
of
the
United
States
I,
think
golf
in
Bloomington
and
the
bloomington-normal
area
is
on
the
rise.
Again.
Last
year
we
had
over
sixty
thousand
rounds
played
in
the
Bloomington
public
golf
courses.
Second,
most
in
their
history,
we
had
more
outings
than
we've
ever
had
we
host
the
Illinois
high
school
state
golf
tournament.
That's
a
three-day
event.
The
Illinois
elementary
school
association
has
just
started
golf.
We
hosted
their
sectional
this
year
at
prairie,
vista
country
company's
youth.
G
Classic
is
a
three-day
event
in
which
every
public
course
in
Bloomington
is
overrun
with
kids
for
three
days
and
they're
brought
here
by
their
parents
and
the
reason
we
host
these
tournaments
is
because
of
the
quality
of
our
golf
courses.
These
events
at
events
like
them
financially
benefit
the
whole
community,
hotels,
restaurants,
gas
stations,
shopping
areas
after
the
state
tournament.
I
went
to
nine
hotels,
three
of
whom
have
golf
packages
with
the
bloomington
public
courses.
I
asked
each
one
of
them:
were
you
full
last
weekend
the
weekend
of
the
tournament
every
one
of
them
said?
G
Yes,
second
question:
are
you
usually
full
on
the
weekends
every
one
of
them
said?
No,
they
generalize
comment
was
only
if
there's
some
kind
of
a
sporting
event
going
on
in
the
bloomington-normal
area.
I
also
went
to
Casey's
gas
station
on
Fox
Creek
Road,
which
is
right
on
the
exit
area
when
you're
playing
at
the
den
one
of
the
golf
tournaments
was
at
the
den
asked
him
about
appreciable
increase
in
Galka
gas
sales,
and
he
printed
out
the
numbers.
G
Also
the
one
who
did
the
petition
that
you
hear
so
much
about
I
did
that
at
the
den
after
rounds
of
golf
that
I
played
just
sitting
in
a
pro
shop
or
in
the
clubhouse
there
and
collecting
signatures
I
did
that
over
a
two-week
period
which,
after
I
play
golf
that
was
probably
an
eight
or
eight
to
ten
day
stretch.
I
learned
two
things
we
get
golfers
from
everywhere.
G
G
The
other
thing
I
learned
from
that
petition
was
private.
Ation
privatization
is
a
bad
word
to
these
golfers
and
talking
to
them,
there's
no
stake
in
the
community.
Not
much
stake
in
the
golf
course.
They
aren't
going
to
pick
up
the
tab
for
any
capital
improvements.
They
won't
even
buy
you.
A
new
lawn
mower
I'm.
G
Raise
fees
and
they'll
cut
personnel
and
I'll
cut
expenses,
and
bottom
line
is
if,
if,
if
we
lose
our
golf
courses,
because
people
don't
take
care
of
them,
we're
never
going
to
get
them
back
and
then,
instead
of
a
room
full
of
golfers
you'll,
be
sitting
here
with
a
room
full
of
hotel
owners
and
restaurant
owners
and
gas
station
longer.
Thank.
A
A
H
City
Council
will
make
this
very
brief
just
so
we
can
get
right
to
discussion
it
with
this
topic.
This
is
a
touch
point
tonight
for
a
project.
That's
been
gone
on
going
for
a
few
years,
so
on
the
southwest
side
of
town
Lutz
road
is
a
topic,
a
road
that
we
discuss
multiple
times
over
over
the
years.
Residents
have
come
and
discuss
concerns
with
the
width
of
the
road,
the
condition
of
the
road.
H
A
feasibility
study
is
what's
been
completed
and,
what's
included
in
the
packet,
the
feasibility
study,
the
intention
of
it
was
to
look
at
the
exists
Road
and
what
potential
options
there
are.
So
knowing
that
you've
looked
over,
the
material
I
won't
go
in
at
point
by
point.
We
know
that
Luther
Oaks
itself
is
a
growing
area,
a
growing
business.
We
do
know
that
there's
also
expansion
with
subdivisions
in
the
area,
so
there
are
continued
improvements.
They
looked
at
three
different
options.
H
If
you
consider
them
more
of
a
more
cost-effective
option,
a
very
more
like
a
full,
comprehensive
and
then
more
of
a
hybrid
option,
the
the
easiest
and
simplest
cheapest
is
the
rural
cross.
Section
staff
is
not
supportive
of
this
one
because
it
doesn't
necessarily
solve
the
long-term
problem.
It's
a
short-term
solution
that
necessarily
doesn't
spend
the
money
that
keeps
the
long-term
costs.
The
the
second
one
is
the
urban
design.
It
is
more
of
the
almost
900,000
dollar
Austin
option.
H
That,
again,
is
very
just
it's
very
costly
and
we
don't
believe
that
the
development
there
is
yet
to
to
justify
that
the
last
option
and
what
is
recommended
in
the
feasibility
study
and
supported
by
Luther
Oaks,
is
the
hybrid
design
which
does
build
out
the
north
side
with
curb
and
gutter
and
storm
sewer,
but
on
the
South
it
leaves
it
not
completed.
It
leaves
it
more
of
a
real
cross
section
to
be
developed
in
the
future
when
development
happens
so
again
with
that
we're
just
as
just
a
touch
point,
there's
no
vote
needed.
H
What
we
wanted
to
ask
is
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
concerns
with
the
feasibility
study
we
ran,
then
we
are
now
it's
already
under
contract
to
continue
forward
with
design,
but
staff
feels
it's
important
to
make
sure
the
council's
on
board
with
the
direction
we're
going.
We
did
not
want
to
get
to
the
end,
have
a
design
done
and
then
have
their
be
concerns
so
that
after
that
design
is
done,
we
have
to
find
funding
and
then
construction
wouldn't
begin.
I
Gm,
you
made
a
couple
very
good
points
and
we've
talked
about
loose
road
for
a
long
time,
but
I
think
in
the
time
since
we've
started
talking
about
this,
it
seems
to
me
to
be
a
developing
area.
Wittenberg
woods
seems
to
be
a
growing
neighborhood.
You've
got
a
popular
school
there
and
trinity
lutheran.
You
got
easy
access
to
the
interstate
system.
I
My
thought
is:
are
we
looking
at
the
short-term
fix,
or
are
we
looking
at
something
that
we
think
is
going
to
look?
What's
what's
going
to
look
like
in
five
years
and
so
I'm?
Looking
at
more
of
a
bigger
picture,
because
I
see
Wittenberg
woods,
growing
I
see
that
whole
area
having
as
much
potential
as
a
lot
of
pockets
in
bloom
to
normal
and
I,
don't
know
what
other
development
is
going
to
come
out
there.
But
if
we're
going
to
do
this,
let's
do
it
right.
My
thought,
I.
H
Very
much
appreciate
that
alderman
front,
a
quick
answer
that
is
the
property
to
the
south,
the
Hinshaw
property,
the
South
that
would
need
to
be
developed
has
to
have
sewer
a
lift
station.
We
call
that
the
I-74
lift
station
that
would
have
to
be
constructed
before
that
whole
area
to
the
south
gets
actually
developed.
So
we
think
that
we
don't
we
don't
anticipate,
that's
going
to
come
anytime
soon
with
the
existing
residential
areas
that
are
already
have
the
capacity
for
sewer
and
water.
So
we
don't
anticipate
that
you
can
never
guess.
H
I
I
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
asking
for
any
assistance
on
her
gutter
roads.
Maybe
it's
already
in
place,
but
I
thought
someone
mentioned
or
I
read
somewhere,
that
that
same
firm
is
also
thinking
of
putting
an
assistant
facility
at
the
corner
of
GE,
rodent,
Wanda,
Barnes,
the
northeast
corner,
and
so
my
thinking
is.
Are
we
gonna
whatever
we're
going
to
do
with
Luther
Oaks,
assisted
living
kind
of
on
the
edge
of
town,
their
urban
issue?
I
H
Brief
answer
that
question:
the
infrastructure
is
already
there
for
the
villas
of
holly
brook
at
fox
creek
and
cabin
town
and
old
cabin
town.
It's
already
all
around
that
roads
have
been
improved
and
so
and
while
Luther
Oaks
is
one
of
the
major
stakeholders
they're
not
the
only
stakeholder
for
Lutz
road,
the
Wittenberg
Wittenberg
woods.
Development
also
is
as
a
driver
because
of
some
of
the
overall.
H
That
road
is
a
again
that
more
of
the
county
type
road
and
the
heavy
traffic
traffic
that
it's
experiencing
we're
seeing
it
degrade
more
quickly
than
we
would
anticipate,
and
so
because
of
that,
it
has,
you
know,
risen
as
far
as
a
priority
with
us.
Hopefully,
in
the
same
thing,
with
the
GE
in
towanda
barnes
that
infrastructure
around
there
is
completely
in
place,
and
so
it
is
not
only
for
that
one
stakeholder,
it
is.
It
is
an
important
facility
for
the
city
that
we
want
to
make
sure
we
maintain
my.
I
J
You
and
let
me
follow
up
Jim
I
want
to
expand
on
your
explanation
just
a
little
bit
because,
because
Jim
ask
Jim
Jim
fro
and
asked
a
good
question.
Basically,
the
hybrid
solution
constructs
half
of
the
urban
design.
If
you
will
on
the
north
side
of
the
road.
So
so,
basically
there
is
the
long-term
solution
for
that
site.
What
it
what
it
does
Jim
is
to
then
utilize
parts
of
the
existing
pavement
on
the
road.
J
That's
there
right
now,
so
that
we
have
a
more
appropriately
sized
road
down
through
there
with
with
some
shoulder
and
pavement
area
down
through
there
as
well.
So
so
again,
following
up
on
Jim's
junk
archers
point,
there
be
infrastructure
or
needed
on
the
south
side
of
the
road.
That's
not
being
touched
at
this
point.
The
north
side
would
be
constructed
and
as
if
as
if
the
entire
road
was
being
reconstructed
at
this
time,
is
that
a
courage
Jim?
What.
J
J
One
of
the
other
differences
between
this
this
installation
and
a
couple
others
that
were
mentioned
is
is
I,
know
I
happen
to
be
on
the
Planning
Commission
when
this
came
through
and
it
was
certainly
implied
by
staff
at
that
point
now
different
city
manager
different
planner
different
console,
but
it
was
certainly
implied,
as
reflected
in
the
meeting
minutes
at
that
time,
that
the
road
improvement
would
eventually
be
made
there
as
part
of
as
part
of
the
Luther
Oaks
construction
project.
So
it's
a
little
bit
different.
J
K
Kind
of
to
add
on
to
david's
comments
and
question
I'm
going
to
ask
you
to
do
kind
of
a
shirtsleeve
assumption
here,
a
little
bit
and
kind
of
give
us,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
information.
If
say
something
drastic
happens.
Our
economy
improves
in
that
area
really
develops
Luther
oaks
road
on
the
south
side,
and
we
want
to
move
to
an
urban
type
environment
on
that
south
side
in
five
years,
certainly
well
within
the
life
expectancy
of
the
new
hybrid
approach
that
we
have
just
put
in
place.
K
H
Nothing,
that's
the
that's
the
benefit
of
the
hybrid.
That's
why
we're
actually
very
supportive
of
it,
because
you're
not
removing
any
of
the
pavement
that
you
put
in
place
other
than
the
shoulder
work.
So
again,
if
you
look
at
the
hybrid
up
here
on
the
screen,
the
material
that's
are
on
the
left.
All
that
stays
which
are
going
to
be
and
then
kind
of
removing
and
putting
additional
and
expanding
upon
is
that
that
south
side
on
the
screen,
the
right.
D
H
At
all,
and
even
if
it's
some
development
occurs,
then
it
you're
not
at
a
loss,
but
again
I
would
point
back
to
this
on
the
screen.
The
project
area
down
to
the
south
of
this.
This
is
all
farm
farm
ground
down
here
at
all
drains
for
the
South
I-74
here
is
where
wittenberg
wouldn't
lift
station
is
at.
You
would
have
to
extend
this
down
to
the
south,
almost
I
74,
to
be
able
to
pick
up
any
of
that
sanitary
sewer
that
that
can
be
cost-prohibitive.
H
J
J
We
had
countless
meetings
with
with
Luther
Oaks,
both
their
professional
staff
as
well
as
their
residents,
association
and,
and
there
has
been
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
we've
looked
at
literally
every
option
in
that
area
for
this,
and
if
there
was
if
there
was
a
more
efficient
way
to
do
this,
we
would
have
found
it
and
we
had
those
conversations
and
trying
to
find
them.
You
know
we've
tried
exactly,
and
so
there
was
loud
diligence
done.
So
thank
you
for
all
the
work
involved
with
this.
Thank.
H
A
C
C
This
particular
recommendation
to
look
at
outsourcing
of
the
golf
courses
came
from
the
citizen
budget
task
force
group
and
with
the
support
of
the
City
Council
we've
been,
and
because
this
was
one
of
the
higher
rated
recommendations
of
the
council
identified
for
staff
to
work
on
basically
tonight,
what
we're
going
to
show
you
as
a
process
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out.
We
do
not
know
for
a
fact
that
it
truly
would
be
cost
efficient
or
that
we
would
achieve
any
cost
savings
if
we
were
to
outsource
the
management
of
the
golf
course.
C
What
we
do
know
that
ear,
regardless
of
whether
or
not
the
city
continues
to
maintain
the
golf
courses
or
a
private
entity,
capital
expenditures
would
continue
to
be
a
responsibility
of
the
city.
Now
let
me
say
that
again,
even
in
cases
where
cities
have
outsourced
management
of
golf
courses,
the
responsibility
for
capital
expenditures-
have
you
know
in
most
cases
continued
to
be
the
responsibility
of
the
city.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
point
that
out.
Typically,
these
contracts
only
over
deal
with
in
management
or
the
operating
expenses
of
a
golf
course.
C
What
we
you
will
see
shortly
is
is
a
process,
a
process
that
we
propose
to
follow,
to
only
get
some
factual
information
to
learn
and
to
kind
of
compare,
not
only
our
internal
costs,
with
oversight
of
the
golf
courses,
but
also
look
at
what
others
on
the
outside
would
propose.
Secondly,
what
we
do
want
to
share
with
you
tonight
is,
what's
being
considered
in
the
way
of
proposed
increases
in
golf
fees
for
this
upcoming
season.
That
was
an
additional
recommendation
of
the
budget
task
force
to
look
at
Fiat.
C
Golf
fee
increases
so
at
this
time,
I
do
want
to
recognize
that
we
do
have
not
only
Jason
Wingate,
our
golf
pro
but
other
staff
members
at
our
golf
courses.
We
appreciate
all
that
they
have
done
and
I
do
want
to
take.
Maybe
one
comment
away
from
Jake
and
that
is
even
as
we
have
talked
to
various
parties
out
there
that
might
have
an
interest.
C
We
have
received
many
many
compliments
of
how
our
golf
courses
look
and
I
think
that
goes
to
the
credit
not
only
of
our
managers
and
supervisors,
but
our
employees
and
all
that
they
have
done
with
a
very
limited
and
allene
workforce
to
continue
to
make
our
three
golf
courses
looking
great
and
to
be
such
an
attractive,
entertainment
venue
for
the
golfers,
both
in
and
outside
the
city.
So
with
that,
let
me
turn
the
JTED
sloth,
the
department
director
for
some
additional
information
on
this
topic.
J
I
appreciate.
L
That
C
major
I
am
here
to
kind
of
give
the
presentation
and
then
I've
got
Jason
Wingate
from
the
super
ten
of
golf
and
airfields
assistant
director.
They
helped
me
put
this
together.
In
fact,
they
did
I'll
give
them.
They
didn't
jority
the
work.
We
also
have
some
staff
here
and
what
what
mr.
Kell
said?
We
have
a
fantastic
staff,
we
run
a
very
lean
ship
and
we
still
put
out
a
great
product,
so
I'm,
very
proud
of
that
and
another.
This
discussion
changes
any
of
that.
L
What
I
want
to
do
is
just
give
you
a
you.
Have
all
this
information
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
brief
for
those
of
you
don't
play
golf
or
don't
know.
The
den
is
probably
our
the
gym
in
this
area,
potentially
all
of
outside
of
Chicago.
It
is
it's
the
course
made
for
those
who
may
be
a
little
bit
more
advanced
a
little
little
harder.
It's
a
lot
longer
of
a
course
and
what
well
the
public
comments
was.
L
Fifty
percent
of
the
people
who
play
this
course
do
not
live
here,
so
we
are
attracting
people
to
come
into
the
community
pray
vistas.
The
one
where,
if,
like
myself,
who's,
not
very
good
at
golf
and
can't
hit
the
ball
straight,
you
go
to
pray
vista,
it's
much
more
user-friendly,
golfer
friendly
and
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
silly,
a
fantastic
course.
Beautiful
views,
hi
Luis,
obviously
was
brought
up
earlier.
This
is
the
course
that
if
you
can
get
the
ball
straight,
but
not
very
far,
this
is
where
you
want
to
go
play.
L
L
Issues
is
to
raise
our
fee
there.
So
we're
looking
at
according
to
Jason
is
one
of
the
biggest
increases
we
ever
had,
if
not
the
biggest.
So
we
are
looking
at
raising
our
costs,
our
fees
for
greens
at
all
three
courses
going
into
next
fiscal
year,
so
that's
2017,
be
going
in
for
2016.
I
should
say
raising
a
season
pass
as
well,
but
that
is
something
we
have
proposed
in
our
budget
that
has
been
sent
forward.
So
looking
at
rounds
played,
you
can
see
the
drop
off,
but
you
also
can
see
the
Gulf
coming
back.
L
Highland
was
very
popular
this
year,
probably
with
all
the
talk
that
we
had
with
budget
ask
for
asylum
became
a
very
popular
place
to
play
golf
this
year.
I
also
wanted
to
show
a
little
bit
of
comparable
in
terms
of
what
other
states
look
like.
You
see
that
the
majority
of
the
courses
or
in
the
states
are
increasing
or
improving,
so
that
is
for
this
year
going
forward.
L
We
talked
about
money.
These
are
there's
lots
of
numbers.
Here,
obviously
can
look
at
you
can
see.
In
majority
of
years
we
are
making
more
than
we
spend
our
issues
capital.
We
can
break
even
on
most
years
with
our
operating
costs,
but
it's
the
capital
costs
that
come
back,
though,
were
we
have
struggle
funding
going
forward,
so
we
have
two
different,
so
we're
looking
at
two
ways
to
outsource
two
different
styles
and
there's
lots
of
ways
in
between.
So
these
are
kind
of
the
extreme
ends
of.
L
If
you
were
to
outsource,
one
is
a
full
service
contract.
This
is
where
we
basically
are
hiring
someone
to
run
the
courses
on
our
behalf.
We
have
a
lot.
We
have
more
control
over
this
top
this
way,
but
obviously
not
as
much
as
if
we're
running,
to
show
ourselves-
and
you
see
a
fee
ranges
from
four
to
five
percent
of
gross
revenues.
Plus
you
people
have
the
incentives.
The
other
big
difference
here
is
it's
a
shorter
contract
and
in
this
one
and
the
next
option,
contract
language
is
key.
L
How
you
wear
the
contract
and
the
different
things
you
put
in
vs,
food
and
beverage
versus
cart
fees.
There's
lots
of
different
ways.
You
can
write
that
contract
second
option
is
an
operating
lease.
This
is
where
someone
basically
is
paying
us
to
run.
Our
golf
courses
is
the
least
amount
of
control,
so
it's
up
to
them
on
in
many
ways
the
quality
of
the
product
they're,
providing
this
is
the
least
upside
in
terms
of
revenue
potential
for
us
and
these
least
leases
these
contracts
or
long-term,
making
me
as
men
as
high
as
50
years.
L
So
again,
it
comes
down
to
the
way
the
contracts
worded
and
how
we
go
about
outsourcing.
The
process
that
we're
looking
at
right
now
is
something
very
similar
that
I've
done
before,
where
we
will
send
out
in
RFQ.
So
that's
a
request
for
qualifications,
so
we're
only
looking
at
companies
who
have
shown
a
preference
to
being
a
golf
operational
firm.
This
is
what
they
do
for
a
living.
L
We
don't
want
somebody
who's,
hey,
I,
like
to
play
golf
and
I
want
to
run
I
want
to
run
the
golf
course
we're
looking
for
track
record
we're
looking
for
the
qualifications.
Can
you
do
this?
Have
you
done
this
before
once
we
get
past
that
point?
If
you
qualify
that
you've
done
this
before
then
you'll
be
given
the
request
for
proposal,
so
only
those
who
are
caught
if
I
had
to
run
our
golf
courses
will
be
given
the
chance
to
send
in
a
proposal.
L
The
big
thing
I
want
to
point
out
is
even
if
we're
gate,
we're
going
through
the
process
of
gathering
all
this
information
in
will
then
evaluate
internally
and
I'm.
Sure
we'll
have
some
discussions,
whether
it
is
the
best
interests
of
our
golfers
and
our
citizens
to
outsources
I
believe
that
we
very
well
could
end
up
keeping
it
in
house
and
running
it
as
we
are
now
that
it's
only
a
possibility.
I
don't
want
to
sit
here
and
say
either
way
we
won't
look
at
what
the
numbers
are
and
that's
what
the
budget
task
force.
L
That's
what
we
heard
from
budget
task
force
was:
let's
see
how
this
shakes
out.
Can
we
save
costs?
We
run
a
very
lean
ship.
Most
golf
courses
have
20
full-time
equivalents
at
their
18
hole.
Golf
course.
We
have
27
for
three
courses,
so
we
are
running
a
very
lean
ship
already
in
one
conversation
with
a
golf
firm
company
that
would
be
probably
one
of
the
companies.
We
would
ask
it's
coming
in
place
a
bid.
They
said
they
would
probably
hire
13
staff
full
time
staff
members,
you
know
just
sat
down
with
pen
and
paper.
L
He
came
up
with
a
number
of
13.
We
currently
have
seven
so
I
have
trouble
believing
that
somebody
who
can
have
twice
as
much
full-time
staff,
then
we
do
can
run
it
more
efficient
and
better
cost
efficiency
than
what
we're
doing
already
so
right
now.
What
we're
looking
at
is
going
to
this
process
being
done
with
the
contract
potential
in
July
with
the
idea.
The
long
terms
would
be
if
they
were
awarded
the
contract
would
be
January
first
of
2017,
so
going
through
the
process
this
year
wearing
the
contract.
C
If
I
can
just
see
like
what
sort
of
final
comments
I,
you
know,
even
as
we
talked
to
some
of
these
vendors
they've
acknowledged
to
that,
it
could
very
well
take
them
two
three
four
weeks
to
do
their
analysis
and
their
financial
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
they
could
even
generate
any
cost
savings
to
make
it
profitable
for
them.
So
hence
it
critical
that
we
give
them
that
time
to
do
their
analysis
and,
of
course
we
would
make
available
some
of
our
information.
So
until
that
happens,
we
really
won't
know
from
them.
C
You
know
whether
or
not
they
think
they
could
turn
a
profit
or
be
of
some
help
or
assistance
to
us
and
in
keeping
the
costs
low.
Secondly,
we
want
to
give
them
a
lot
of
latitude
a
lot
of
flexibility
in
their
proposals,
including,
as
unless
the
council
directs.
Otherwise,
you
know
both
you
and
the
budget
task
force
has
talked
about
sale.
C
Would
any
of
these
entities
be
interested
in
purchasing?
That
could
always
be
a
proposal?
A
debt
or
alternative
bid
alternate
to
at
least
see
you
know
that
they
have
an
interest.
Some
of
these
firms
do
both
own
and
operate
golf
courses
other
times
they
just
operate
and
manage
the
golf
courses,
so
there's
a
lot
of
those
types
of
affairs
or
models
that
they
use.
So
once
again,
what
we're
trying
to
do
here
is
to
react
to
what
the
task
force
asked
or
recommended
for
the
council.
We
feel
this
is
a
reasonable
process.
C
Ultimately,
the
council
would
make
that
final
determination.
You
will
decide
whether
or
not
any
potential
if
there
is
cost
savings,
are
worth
making
the
change
and
the
disadvantages
associated
with
here,
but
I
as
I
started
out,
saying,
keep
in
mind
that
even
as
we've
talked
to
these
entities,
major
capital
improvements
would
continue
to
be
on
the
shoulders
of
the
city.
It
is
unlikely
that
unless
we
get
into
some
very
long
and
potentially
risky.
C
Situation
that
we
would
get
out
from
under
any
of
these
capital
improvements,
such
as
cart,
maintenance.
You
know
in
other
improvements,
so
with
that
I
think
the
last
thing
to
we,
it
does
appear
that
the
best
time
to
effectuate
any
kind
of
change
if
there
is
going
to
be
a
change,
is
around
the
the
winter
time.
So
that's
why
we're
kind
of
pushing
this
out
to
the
fall.
C
We
tried
to
look
at
whether
or
not
it
could
happen
between
now
and
May,
and
it
just
seemed,
as
we
talked
to
this
when
these
vendors,
that
it
would
be
very,
very
unlikely,
even
though
we've
heard
some
some
interesting
stories
how
quickly,
sometimes
they
have
come
in
and
quickly
turned
over
when
things
have
gone
cells.
So
with
that
we'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
A
You
have
just
to
clarify:
Zen
tries
to
drive
home
point
to
some
of
the
people
who
have
asked
questions
during
public
comment,
and
that
is
this
is
a
piece
of
the
analysis
that
the
city,
manager
and
staff
have
done
pursuant
to
the
budget
task
force's
recommendations
last
summer,
this
does
not
no
decisions
have
been
made.
These
are
all
options
and
ideas
on
the
table.
That
doesn't
mean
that
the
status
quo
won't
also
be
considered.
A
Obviously,
we'll
also
see
if
we've
got
some
slight
increases
in
some
of
the
green
fees,
how
much
that
seems
to
to
generate
for
us,
but
when
we
had
a
structural
deficit,
this
was
unfortunately
a
lot
of
the
parks
and
rec
programs
are
the
things
that
are
more
likely
to
be
questioned
than
public
safety
or
other
things.
So
that's
just
clarifying
it.
There
is
this.
There's
no
I
know
that
they're
been
room.
A
Rentals
I've
had
several
people
call
me
and
even
came
to
the
open
house
on
Friday
that
we're
going
to
pave
over
Highland
Park
did
that
those
are
that's
all
just
to
remember.
We
are
all
here
reacting
to
our
overall
financial
situation
and
that
the
budget
task
force
said
at
least
check
investigate
whether
or
not
there
are
other
options
to
save
money
and
again.
Some
of
those
also
could
just
be
something
that
you're
proposing
J
and
that
is
to
raise
green
fees,
so
just
to
clarify
that
and
all
them
in
black
you
get
the
first
crack.
M
A
M
Good
okay
I
want
to
see
a
panic
attacks
over
there.
Thank
you.
So
thank
you
for
the
presentation
to
me.
This
question
I
know
is
the
first
step
in
a
long
process
as
we
can
see
on
the
screen
here.
But
the
question
that
that
I'm
focused
on
is
is
golf.
A
public
good
and
I
would
argue
that,
yes,
that
it
is
I
play
golf
I'm,
terrible
at
it
vomit
off
the
tee,
but
that's
about
it,
but
I
would
say
that.
M
L
M
Here,
okay
and
I
would
also
just
just
to
kind
of
give
some
clarity
I'm,
where
I'm
sitting
right
now,
I
think
that
it's
good
that
we're
looking
at
this
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have.
These
conversations
and
I
think
that
every
time
we
talk
about
a
cut,
we
have
a
large
group
of
people
that
come
in
who
are
impassioned
and
concerned
about
what
comes
forward.
That
said,
in
my
you
know,
I
think
you
look
at
the
numbers.
This
is
a
20-year
25
for
your
decision
for
me
and
you
look
at
the
graph
from
earlier.
M
We
showed
kind
of
number
of
rounds
in
it
by
the
state
or
the
last
few
years
and
that's
a
very
zoomed
in
picture
over
a
very
short
period
of
time
and
I'm
concerned
about
what
golf
looks
like
in
the
next
20
years.
This
is
coming
from
someone
who's
a
golfer,
so
the
decisions
we
make
today
are
going
to
have
long-term
ramifications
down
the
road
and
we
shouldn't
make
a
decision
to
quickly
and
my
best
case
scenario.
M
I
think
we
should
keep
Highland
and
the
den
in
Bloomington
and
then
tries
to
divest
ourselves
a
prairie
vista,
because
to
me
that
has
the
best
outside
sales
opportunity
for
a
developer
or
something
like
that,
because
I
think
that
Island
Park
is
an
easy
course
that
opens
people
up
to
the
game
of
golf
and
the
Dennis
Lee
our
gem
and
has
a
lot
of
different
events
and
such
there.
So
that's
where
I
sit
right
now,
but
I'm
interested
to
see
with
the
full
analysis
course.
That's.
A
Essentially,
as
we
move
forward
you're
interested
in
having
the
golf
course,
it's
not
treated
as
a
package,
necessarily
right
and
obviously
I,
think
many
of
us
have
said.
We
felt
that
we
all
felt
I
think
that
hyland
has
a
special
place
for
lots
of
reasons
and
it's
a
an
important
green
space
in
the
heart
of
our
community.
We've
heard
some
of
the
people
impassioned.
A
You
know
discussions
about
why
and
how
it's
important
to
them
as
in
terms
of
their
lives,
but
it's
an
important
green
space
to
even
you're,
not
a
golfer
highland
park,
and
that
green
space
is
really
an
important
asset.
Think
to
our
community.
So
I
think
that
that's
maybe
an
important
point
as
J
and
our
city
manager
are
moving
forward
with
some
of
these
options.
Not
all
three
of
our
golf
courses
are
identical
and
maybe
how
many
to
deal
with
them
as
a
package
ultimate
Lauer
and
then
just.
K
K
There
was
a
period
of
time
and
at
which
you
know
actually
have
a
little
family
history,
I'm
not
much
of
a
golfer,
but
I
had
an
uncle
that
worked
at
ISU
for
40
some
odd
years
and
was
a
huge
golfer,
backed
up
to
the
ISU
golf
course
when
it
was
first
developed
and
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
was
a
huge
supporter.
He
was
also
a
frequent
attendee
and
participant
at
Highland,
and
it
was
very
close
to
his
heart.
K
Nur
I
think
that
we
were
seeing
a
crowd
here
because
of
those
sentiments
in
it,
and
it
cursed
me
and
I
understand
that
that
that
course
in
and
of
itself
actually
broke.
Even
for
many
many
years,
we've
got
a
lot
of
amenities
and
improvements
that
we've
made
over
the
years,
though
that
are
expensive.
I
know
my
uncle
pulled
his
bag
around
and
actually
carried
his
bag
for
a
number
of
years.
Didn't
have
paved
golf
cart.
Paths
didn't
have
an
actual
golf
cart.
K
These
are
just
what
ifs.
What
would
it
take?
What
would
it
cost?
How
much
would
we
save
if
we
kind
of
change
the
modus
operandi
change,
the
purpose
of
that
and
change
the
operational
face
of
it
kind
of
took
a
step
back
in
time?
You
know
talking
with
Bobby
maze,
I'm
sure
you
know
Bobby.
Who
cares?
You
know
his
staff
cares,
for
that
course.
We
both
grew
up
here.
I'm
sure
Jim
freuen
can
remember
this
as
well,
and
you
predate
me
I'm
sure,
just
a
little
bit
anyway.
K
As
a
kid
I
can
remember
riding
in
my
dad's
station
wagon
into
bloomington
from
our
place
down
near
Hayworth
and
in
looking
out
and
seeing
Danny
Lions
lining
the
hills
on
Highland.
Then
it
was
kind
of
pretty
you
know,
I
didn't
know
what
golf
was
I
didn't,
really
care
and
I
think
you
know
the
folks
have
been
in
our
in
our
community.
For
many
years
can
probably
relate.
Are
we?
K
Maybe
we
should
take
a
step
back
and
look
at
you
know,
and
this
is
from
from
the
golfer
standpoint
they're
going
to
hate
me,
but
you
know
when
we're
trying
to
be
very,
very
cost
effective,
maybe
we're
you
know,
you're,
looking
at
raising
your
rates
and
at
some
point,
you're
going
to
reach
a
level
at
which
muscles
golfers
are
not
going
to
want
to
play.
That
course,
and
so
are
we
looking
at
operationally
maintaining
a
cost,
effective
rate
and,
at
some
place
a
balance
in
terms
of
what
we're
doing
to
maintain?
N
Gonna,
try
to
be
really
quick.
I
just
want
to
highlight
something
that
David
just
said
which
to
me
kind
of
changes.
My
analysis
in
terms
of
what
I
would
recommend
going
forward,
and
that
is
that,
if
we
outsource
it
has
no
impact
on
our
capital,
improvement
cloth
and
those
capital
improvement
costs
are
the
problem
that
we
are
facing.
N
That's
where
the
real
true
budget
shortfall
is
so
I
would
suggest
something
along
the
lines
of
what
Scott
mentioned
that
perhaps
we
need
to
change
our
focus
now
that
we
have
more
information
and
I
really
appreciate
that
information
haven't
been
brought
to
us,
but
keeping
the
conversation
focused
on
how
many
golf
courses
do
we
want
to
own
and
if
we
want
to
own
fewer
than
three
what
our
options
moving
forward
on
that
and
I'm
going
to
just
there,
because
we're
short
on
time
and
Ellen
will
go
ahead
and
move
to
adjourn.
The
meeting
actually.
J
Thank
you
mayor.
So
again,
let's
clarify
a
couple
of
things
clarify
some
clarifying
comments.
This
was
prioritized
by
the
console
as
a
recommendation
from
the
budget
task
force,
so
this
didn't
go
straight
from
the
budget
task
force
to
staff.
So
that's
a
good
point
of
clarification,
Jay
and
I
appreciate.
J
You
know
the
work.
That's
done
here,
I'm
a
little
bit.
I
think
maybe
perhaps
concerned
that
we
have
some
fairly
specific
kind
of
statements
called
out
in
these
two
options.
Whether
it's
you
know
what
what
fee
range
might
be
terms
of
the
or
you
know
length
of
the
contract.
Whether
or
not
capital
improvements
are
part
of
it.
We
really
won't
know
the
answers
to
those
until
we
have
a
request
for
proposal.
J
J
But
these
these
bullet
points
here
kind
of
suggests
a
much
narrower
range
of
options
and
again
to
be
intellectually
honest.
We
won't
know
until
we
have
a
request
for
proposal
and
and
by
then
that
then
we'll
have
a
fair
amount
of
due
diligence
done
and
be
able
to
make
a
better
informed
decision,
while
we're
talking
about
doing
tonight
is,
is
moving
the
process
long
and
engaging
some
benchmarking
work
around
our
golf
courses
and
see
where
that
leads
I,
don't
at
least
for
me
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
a
solution
in
mind.
J
I
want
to
leverage
some
of
these.
These
the
expertise
from
outside
and
just
you
know,
help
us
know
we
may,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
find
out.
You
know
what
we're
doing
it
as
cost
effectively
as
we
can,
and
then
we
can
grapple
with
other
questions
about
things
like
how
we're
going
to
fund
capital
improvements,
but
but
the
reality
is,
is
that
the
golf
courses
lose
money
if
you
figure
both
operational
and
capital
costs
figured
into
it
right.
So,
okay,
Thank,
You,
Jay,
okay,.
I
I
So
I
don't
know,
word
begin,
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions.
Let
me
begin
by
saying
I
think
anytime.
We
can
look
at
what
we
do
and
how
we
do
it,
regardless
of
what
kind
of
patient
we
have
for
it.
It's
the
right
thing
to
do.
I!
Think
anytime.
We
can
look
inside
I.
Think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
a
lot
of
different
opinions
on
this
council
as
to
how
we
should
proceed.
A
lot
of
different
experience
levels,
a
lot
of
different
levels
of
expertise.
I
Someone
that
spoke
earlier
talked
about
options.
Three
and
four
I,
don't
know
what
those
are
I,
don't
five
ever
seen
them,
but
what
are
those
I
think
really
what
it
boils
down
to
is.
Do
we
have
the
strength
of
the
council
that
this
is
viable
enough,
that
we
want
to
pursue
this
and
and
go
through
these
steps,
because
we've
been
through
this
before
with
our
garbage
in
our
recycle
and
or
so
forth,
we
stirred
that
pot
and
at
the
end
we
didn't
make
any
change
again.
I
I'll
go
back
to
the
fact
if
we
can
learn
something
about
our
process,
the
more
the
better.
What
I've
done
here
is
I've
been
because
I'm,
a
very
patient,
a
golfer
I've,
been
contacted
by
a
lot
of
people
over
the
last
month
and
I've
tried
to
put
those
questions
in
an
email
that
I
shared
with
the
entire
council
today
to
the
manager
to
yourself
and
I.
Think
there's
a
lot
of
unanswered
questions.
I,
don't
want
to
delay
this
process.
I
It
seems
like
there's
momentum
for
the
process,
but
a
lot
of
these
questions
that
have
been
asked
in
the
public
are
documented
in
that
email
and
I
think
the
public
that
has
asked
those
questions.
It
doesn't
have
time
to
address
them
in
the
next
five
minutes
deserve
some
answers,
so
I
think
the
biggest
concern
that
they
have
is.
Why
is
highland
park?
Why
is
golf
being
target
it
as
opposed
to
other
parks?
I
Rec
venues
such
as
Coliseum,
the
vcp
Ava,
the
zoo,
which
you
love
and
you
have
a
patient
for,
but
I,
think
there's
a
lot
of
unanswered
community
questions
that
we
should
make
a
statement
tonight
as
to
how
we're
going
to
answer
that
in
parallel
to
if
we
are
going
to
proceed
and
get
this
in
motion,
I
don't
want
to
slow
this
down.
I
just
want
answers
to
the
public.
It's
ask
questions.
I
Importance
of
those
questions
are
the
budget
task
force,
developed
or
discussed
a
variety
of
issues,
and
they
couldn't
go
into
the
depth
that
they
needed
to
on
any
one
issue
they
had
their
plates
full.
This
provides
a
little
more
depth
to
some
of
the
questions
that
the
dedicated
golfers
and
the
people
and
community
are
asking
mm-hmm
I
think
we
need
to
give
them
an
answer
tonight
as
to
how
we're
going
to
provide
those
answers.
I
A
C
Let
me
just
mention
one
thing
and
an
alderman
sage
made
reference
to,
in
fact
towards
the
end
of
the
meeting
will
be
talking
about
the
committee
of
the
whole,
but
I
think
it's
important.
Just
to
point
out.
City
staff
has
been
focusing
on
those
priorities.
The
council
voted
on
out
of
those
33
items
that
came
out
of
the
budget
task
force.
C
Golf
was
in
the
top
tier
and
with
tonight
we'll
talk
about
how
the
bcp
a
is
is
one
of
the
last
of
the
four
and
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
idiot
and
any
of
the
others
had
got
very
few
votes
and
and
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
discussion
for
maybe
future
council
it
committee
the
whole
or
otherwise
to
tackle
once
we
hit
the
highest
voted
priorities.
How
does
the
council
want
us
to
proceed
on
any
of
the
others?
If,
at
all,
right.
A
I
Okay,
I
think:
well,
we
think
we're
on
the
same
page
mirror
I
think.
Well,
we
owe
the
public
our
answers
to
the
questions
that
are
detailed
in
this
email
that
have
been
surfaced
through
the
public
comment
is
saving
or
through
emails,
we've
gotten.
So
the
answer.
The
question
is:
how
is
the
public
going
to
get
answers
to
their
questions
tonight
in
light
of
the
short
amount
of
time
I.
A
A
Okay,
so
so
absolutely
we
need
those
answers
and
we'll
get
them
out,
and
if
we
don't,
then
you
know
how
to
get
hold
of
me.
It
will
make
sure
that
they
get
out
there
anyway.
At
this
point,
I'm
sorry,
because
we
are
really
to
learn
up
running
late
running
up
against
other
time,
all
the
one
burgers
do
you
have
that
motion
to
adjourn
move?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
all
the
women
Schmidt,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying,
aye?