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May 22, 2017 - City Council Special Session
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A
Special
meeting-
and
this
is
discussion
regarding
the
John,
em
Scott
trust,
and
we
will
start
with
mr.
Jeff
Jergens
our
corporate
counsel,
who's
going
to
outline
some
of
the
options
gives
little
background
information,
and
then
we
have
up
to
about
25
minutes
of
discussion
and
I
do
have
to.
Let
us
all
remind
everyone
that
we
do
have
actually
Township
after
this.
So
we
do
have
a
bit
of
a
time
issue
here.
So
mr.
jurors
turn
it
over
to
you.
Thank.
B
You,
mayor
and
council,
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
I
met
with
the
attorney
for
the
trust
Tom
her
and
the
guardian
ad
litem
talked
about
ways
to
kind
of
move
this
process
forward
in
terms
of
getting
a
decision
by
the
council
and
came
up
with
kind
of
two
conceptual
options:
to
try
and
narrow
it
down
to
bring
back
to
the
council
to
have
some
more
discussion
and
see
if
we
could
get
a
consensus
on
what
we,
what
the
council,
as
trustee,
might
eventually
want
to
see.
If.
A
B
Right
if
there
is
a
conceptual
consensus
as
to
one
of
the
options,
then
we
would
bring
back
some
actual
changes
to
the
proposed
documents.
Trust
documents
may
be,
the
IGA
may
be
the
bylaws
various
different
things.
So
once
we
have
that
consensus,
then
we
move
forward
with
some
of
those
I've
got
in
the
council
memo
and
as
well
as
I
put
up
here.
B
There
are
basically
two
options
that
we're
throwing
out
there.
This
isn't
to
say
there:
can
it
be
variations
of
either
of
these
options
or
yet
other
options
that
are
out
there.
But
one
option
is
to
continue
basically
with
the
current
system,
with
an
intergovernmental
agreement
that
we
would
probably
do
some
clarification
on,
but
the
township
would
consider
continue
to
administer
the
james-scott
trust.
There
would
be
a
mixture
of
direct
services
and
grants
that
would
basically
be
as
directed
by
you
as
the
trustee
and
in
the
budgets
that
would
be
approved.
B
The
commission
would
remain
in
existence
and
would
make
recommendations.
The
township
supervisor
would
be
responsible
for
the
grant
monitoring
and
we
would
again
revise
and
update
all
of
the
trust
documents.
One
of
those
key
factors
would
be
to
put
in
place
a
conflicts
of
interest
policy
that
would,
you
know,
be
necessary
under
either
option
so
so
option.
One
is
kind
of
a
status
quo,
although
with
some
revisions
and
perhaps
with
some,
you
know
course
corrections
a
little
bit
option.
B
Two
is
basically
going
to
a
grants
only
option
this
option
would
involve
dissolving
the
township
intergovernmental
agreement
instead
of
the
township
serving
as
administrator
the
city
would
basically
do
this
in-house.
We
anticipate
only
three
to
four
larger
grants,
so
we
don't
perceive
this
as
being
a
huge
administrative
issue,
but
we
would
we
would
designate
somebody
within
the
city
to
kind
of
monitor
that
the
Commission
would
remain
in
existence.
We
don't
necessarily
see
a
big
need
for
them
to
create
a
501c3,
an
additional
bureaucracy
over
that
we
would
just
keep
the
Commission
as
it
is.
B
They
would
make
the
recommendations
as
to
the
grants
and
the
budget,
and
then
us
trustee
would
have
that
final
say
over
that.
As
part
of
that,
we
would
propose
that
that
there
be
kind
of
a
revolving
grant
that
could
be
funded.
That
would
go
to
the
township.
So
that
they
could
continue
to
provide
some
of
the
direct
services
that
you've
heard
supervisor
skill
were
talked
about
in
terms
of
the
referral
services,
maybe
expansion
of
dental
or
some
of
the
other
programs
that
have
been
discussed
again.
B
This
would
require
us
to
update
the
documents
and
and
bring
those
back
to
you
and
again,
a
conflicts
of
interest
policy.
Part
of
what
that
conflicts
of
interest
policy
will
address
is,
if
there
is,
has
been
discussed
up
here,
a
commission
member
who
might
be
affiliated
with
a
certain
organization
that
might
receive
receive
funds
or
or
that
type
of
thing.
So,
under
this
scenario,
though,
there
would
be
a
city
staff
person
who
would
be
kind
of
responsible
for
seventy
administration.
It.
A
Were
if
you
could
clarify,
because
essentially
what
it
seems
you
know
just
on
the
surface
as
you're
just
going
through
this,
for
the
record
that
one
involves
grants
and
direct
services
and
the
other
one
involves
grants
and
direct
services
put
a
slightly
different
mix.
Can
you
clarify
for
us
the
public,
the
record,
what
the
differences
between
those
two
are
if
the
township
is
still
going
to
provide
some
direct
services,
regardless
of
either
option,
if
we're
going
to
contract
regardless
of
either
option,
what
are
the
core
differences?
Well,.
B
Under
option
one
with
the
township
continuing
to
provide
direct
services
a
little
bit
of
a
nuance
in
that
the
budget
that
would
be
proposed
would
actually
contain.
You
know
light
items
for
how
much
are
we
going
to
be
paying
for
this
employee?
You
know
how
much
are
we
going
to
fund
for
this
program
and
those
would
actually
be
part
of
the
budget
and
again
the
township
would
be
responsible
for
administrating
those
direct
services,
as
opposed
to
instead
under
option
two,
the
township
would
get
a
grant
of
money,
so
they
would
have
to.
B
You
know
basically
apply
like
any
other
entity
would
and
you
know,
recommend
or
propose
that
these
services
be
provided,
and
then
we
get
into
instead
of
you
know,
contracting
for
to
provide
those
services
more
of
a
monitoring
to
make
sure
those
services
are
being
provided
and
that
type
of
thing
so
they're
still
providing
the
service
potentially
under
either
model.
It's
just
whether
they're
providing
it
because
they're
receiving
a
grant
money
for
that
service
and
we're
monitoring
that
or
that's
just
part
of
the
money.
B
A
Question
we
begin
to
have
some
questions.
The
one
question
that
is
it
a
thousand
fee
is
that,
since
none
of
us
have
any
real
idea,
what
healthcare
policy
administration
is
giving
you
like
a
year
from
now,
two
years
from
now
three
years
from
now
four
years
from
now,
why
reinvent
the
wheel
now
and
that's
that
would
be.
That
would
be
one
of
my
questions.
D
C
Know-
and
we
and
I'm
actually
quite
proud
that
we
took
a
risk
and
tried
to
change
things
up
and
I'm
more
supportive
of
option.
Number
two
excuse
me:
I'm
a
little
sort
of
breath.
The
there
are
three
different
recommendations
that
model
option.
Number
two
and
I
was
wondering:
if
either
you
were
mister,
her
could
talk
a
little
bit
about
why
a
little
bit
more
about.
Why
not?
Why
not
create
a
501
C
3?
That
was
something
that
I
think
we.
That
was
a
theme
we
saw
through
various
recommendations
and.
B
B
If
the
goal
is
to
have
the
Commission
making
these
recommendations
on
the
grants,
kind
of
filtering
it
that
type
of
thing,
but
they
can
do
that
in
the
current
form
that
they're
in
right
now,
with
just
some
modifications
to
the
trust
agreement
and
the
trust
documents.
So
the
you
know
it
there
really
is
no
need
for
that.
B
If
we
were
going
to
outsource-
and
you
know,
have
the
501
C
3
hire
an
employee
and
add
that
administrative
expense
that
you
know
and
and
kind
of
have
an
agreement
with
somebody
to
actually
administer
the
trust,
then
that
might
make
more
sense.
That's
my
take
on
it.
But
if
we're,
if
we're
okay
with
the
city,
you
know
administrating
these
three
or
four
grants,
then
there
really
is
no
need
per
se
for
a
501
C
3,
where.
C
E
A
E
If
we,
we
are,
writing
grants
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
way
of
putting
a
clause
in
there
that
if
there
is
a
significant
change,
that
would
impact
the
service
being,
provided
that
the
grant
wouldn't
have
to
run
it
full
twelve
months
or
whatever
the
duration
of
the
grant
is
so
so
I'm.
Also
in
favor
of
that
second
option.
But.
A
C
A
Some
point
the
dust
will
settle,
we
just
don't
know
when
and
how
far
and
how
who's
going
to
be
hurt
and
who's
going
to
win
who's
going
to
lose
all
those
things
I
mean
the
township
may
have
run.
Excuse
me
before
the
township
ran
this
prior
to
Ruth
Ann.
You
know
taking
over
and
obviously
that
made
a
lot
of
sense
back
in
2001
we
weren't
having
massive
changes
in
health
care.
The
Clintons
tried
didn't
work
now,
we'd.
Are
we
moved
in
one
direction?
A
We
move
in
another
direction
amidst
the
turmoil,
I
think
in
chatting
with
all
the
middle
huawei
we
had
he
had
mentioned.
We
didn't
talk
about
a
specific
option,
but
is
there
a
possibility,
some
sort
of
pilot?
Do
what
is
it
and
what
is
it
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here?
Since
we
don't
really
know
what
the
horizon
is?
I
guess
that's
what
I'd
like
to
know
well.
E
A
E
F
All
them
in
the
black.
Thank
you
thank
you
Jeff,
so
I
guess
from
where
I
sit
you
know.
I
know.
We've
talked
about
this
for
a
long
time,
but
I'm
very
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
this
health
care
question
continues
to
be
up
in
the
air
and
I'd
hate
for
us
to
make
a
massive
change
only
to
find
that
it's
not
going
to
serve
our
residents
in
the
best
way,
but
speaking
about
option
two,
can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
how
we
could
rig
up
a
revolving
grant
to
township?
F
B
That's
up
to
you
is
the
trustee
Tom's.
Here
too
I
mean
I.
Think
that's
if
that's
something
that
the
that
the
trustee
feels
is
important
to
provide
and
and
the
supervisor
articulates
you
know
there
are
these
services
that
you
know
hey
I
is
the
Township
can
provide,
and
you
see
those
as
important.
Those
are
just
going
to
be
continuing
part
of
the
budget
so
that
that
can
be.
B
F
So
that
make
sense-
and
thank
you
get
a
piece
is
that
I
would
still
want
to
see
just
in
one
that
you
know
we're
still
at
a
very
high
level,
but
as
we
get
down
in
the
nitty-gritty,
perhaps
an
option
to
that.
There
is
a
way
for
in
writing
that
anybody
that's
affiliated
with
an
organization,
because
you
want
to
have
technical
experts.
They
have
to
recuse
themselves
where
you
vote.
F
That
goes
to
an
organization,
they're
affiliated
with
something
we've
discussed
as
women
and
that's
a
key
factor
for
me
and
that's
either
option
right,
but
I
still
think
that
that
needs
to
be
in
writing
and
made
my
personal
clear.
Not
that
I'm
saying
there
be
some
I
think
we're
going
on
now,
but
you
never
know
what
the
future
holds.
F
So
I
guess
I
mean
if
you're
asking
me
for
my
opinion
in
tonight,
and
it
would
be
this
that
I
I
would
prefer
to
avoid
any
kind
of
major
disruption
and
changes
until
we
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
where
the
overall
healthcare
industry
is
going.
But
if
we
want
to
make
this
change
now,
based
on
the
work,
that's
been
done
thus
far,
I
think
I'd
be
interested
to
see
what
I
flushed
out
option
two
would
be.
F
G
Two,
but
again,
I,
don't
think
we
can
go
wrong
in
either
direction,
but,
regardless
of
which
way
we
go
forward,
I
would
like
to
maintain
a
close
relationship
with
a
township,
because
that
has
been
very
effective
over
time.
So
I
have
two
questions:
number
one
under
option:
1
the
supervisor
of
the
township
would
remain
a
non-voting
member
of
the
Commission.
What
would
happen
under
option?
2
with
the
township
supervisor,
continued
to
be
part
of
the
Commission.
B
G
H
We
haven't
gone
really
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
trust
changes.
Excuse
me,
the
the
concern
that
I've
had
all
along
has
just
been
the
incongruity
between
the
various
intergovernmental
agreements
and
the
original
trust
declaration.
You
know
just
looking
at
the
document
itself
as
to
what
the
John
M
Scot
healthcare
program
is
supposed
to
provide.
I.
Think
some
of
these
things,
you
know,
will
still
apply.
You
know
performing
limited
non-emergency
physical
assessments
for
persons
who
believe
themselves
to
the
ill
are
in
need
of
treatment.
I,
don't
know
that
the
township
is
doing
that.
H
H
You
know
a
key
acting
as
an
advocate,
so
there
are
things-
and
there
are
things
in
here
that
will
remain,
but
it's
just
a
flexibility,
I
think
the
eligibility
requirements,
things
of
that
nature
and
honestly
I
think
it's
the
commission
members
who
need
to
give
input
as
to
who
can
be
the
best
recipient
of
these
services
and
how
can
they
be
delivered
and
that's
why
it
to
get
into
the
terms
of
the
trust
document.
The
proposals
now
I
think
is
difficult.
I
think
they
have
in
mind.
H
H
I
I
I
We
have
a
problem
that
we're
trying
to
solve
and
I
just
don't
have
any
confidence
that
the
health
care
issue
is
going
to
be
solved
in
Washington
DC
anytime
soon.
You
know
and
I'm
being
optimistic,
so
I
really
think
we
we
need
to
to
move
forward.
What
we
had
before
I
was
a
little
bit
unsure
initially,
but
after
looking
at
it
closely
and
having
conversations
with
folks,
the
fact
that
you
know
under
option
two
there's
still
an
opportunity
for
the
township
administrator
to
be
involved
through
the
grant
process
and
providing
direct
services.
I
I
So
the
the
township
supervisor
proposes
a
budget
and
the
Commission
is
involved-
and
you
know
that's
just
not
very
clear,
so
I
think
we-
we
could
use
a
little
bit
more
clarification,
not
only
on
that,
but
also
on
some
of
the
administrative
issues
that
I
have
noticed.
For
example,
I
was
asking
about
the.
I
The
expense
for
for
marketing,
you
know
how
is
it
possible
for
someone
to
and
not
saying
anything
bad,
but
to
be
able
to
to
I
mean
to
to
pay
for
something
and
others
not
be
informed
about
it?
For
the
commission,
for
example,
I,
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
take
a
closer
look
and
establishing
you
know
more
controls.
I
A
I
B
And
just
as
an
offshoot
on
that
idea,
because
we
don't
want
to
have
to
be
running
back
to
the
court
to
get
approval
of
the
trust
documents
all
the
time
we
could
also
look
at
you
know.
Maybe
there
are
bees
just
some
flexibility
within
the
trust
documents
is,
do
the
administration
of
it
and
that
type
of
thing
as
well.
So
and
then
you
know
reevaluate
this
after
a
year
or
two
and
and
there
be
that
flexibility
built
in
to
potentially
make
some
changes
as
well.
Okay,.
D
A
J
A
thin
freighter,
that's
a
car
it.
It
wasn't
the
majority
of
the
time
when
the
got
trust
money
first
became
available.
It
wasn't
administered
through
the
township
office.
When
Maxine
Schultz
was
attention
supervisor
and
it
was
there
was
a
pharmacy
or
a
prescription
case
manager
and
then
home
delivered
meals
was
all
that
there
was
and
then
eventually
they
were
asked
to
move
to
City
Hall.
She
wasn't
interested
in
doing
it.
J
J
I
never
really
called
it
grants
that
were
administered
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
If
the
all
of
the
money
that
was
budgeted
for
programs
had
not
been
expended,
the
goal
of
the
Scott
Trust
is
get
the
money
out
into
the
community,
be
used
not
to
be
kept
to
get
out
part
of
the
what
the
trucks
document
says,
and
so
the
Scott
Commission
would
I
would
let
talk
with
the
Scott
Commission
about
how
much
was
projected
to
be
left?
They
would
talk
amongst
themselves.
A
K
In
favor
of
option,
two,
as
I
said
before,
I
think
that
the
people
who
are
the
experts
in
the
medical
field
should
be
the
ones
calling
the
shot
on
this
one
and
no,
we
don't
know
how
things
are
going
to
go
with
the
ACA,
but
I.
K
L
L
Is
there
any
variance
in
the
legal
exposure
presented
between
option
one
and
two?
For
instance,
there
could
be
an
individual
that
claims
that
they
have
rights
under
the
trust
to
present
or
request
legal
rather
request
health
care
services,
and
they
say
that
well
that
was
cut
off,
because
all
the
money
was
diverted
into
only
a
dental
grant
and
I
wanted
some
other
kind
of
health
service
or
in
other
words,
do
we
have
an
expanded
or
different
varying
legal
exposure
under
these
two
options,
but.
H
Would
say
there
is
no
significant
difference
between
them
from
a
liability
standpoint
from
if
you
look
at
it
from
a
delegation.
Standpoint
you're
delegating
your
duties
as
commissioner
to
in
the
current
circumstances,
to
the
town
supervisor,
so
you
have
to
have
proper
controls
and
supervision
there.
It's
the
same
thing
if
you're
delegating
to
the
Commission,
what
we've
tried
to
have
some
degree
of
governmental
immunity
you
have.
H
This:
is
a
court
supervised
trust
so
periodically
we
file
everything
with
the
court
and
have
it
approved
and
I
think
generally
what
my
my
thoughts
have
been
since
I've
been
involved
in
this
is
to
have
some
type
of
better
reporting
system
where
the
court
report
and
a
annual
report
or
semiannual
report
to
the
city
as
trustee
would
kind
of
be
one
in
the
same
there'd
be
more
uniformity
and
by
getting
the
protection
and
the
approval
of
the
court
I
think
your
liability
is
limited.
I,
don't
see
third-party
liability.
H
As
a
lawyer
or
anything's
possible,
because
I
know
other
lawyers
but
I
think
it's
unlikely
that
somebody
would
have
standing
to
sue.
You
know
especially
something
that's
approved
by
the
court.
It's
within
the
original
and
that's
why
we
we
would
have
whatever
structure
is
in
place.
We
would
have
it
approved
by
the
court.
Thank.
L
E
Little
I'm
wondering
if
it's
possible
for
us
to
have
an
ex
officio
member
consul
Minh
become
a
next
official
member
of
the
Jama
Theon
em
Scott
Commission,
so
that
we
have
more
continuity.
We
address.
E
A
B
B
That
would
just
be
something
that
would
be
presented
unless
there's
some
sort
of
a
conflict,
but
if
you're
just
serving
as
an
ex
officio
member
and
then
turning
around-
and
you
know
because
the
way
we
envision
this
is
the
Commission
had
kind
of
poured
through
perhaps
grant
applications
and
and
make
recommendations
as
to
what
grant
should
be
funded
and
then
present
that
to
the
cat
to
the
council
and
you,
as
the
trustee,
would
have
that
final
decision,
but
unless
Tom
goods
Tom
Morell
Harper
right
away.
That
might
be
something
that's
possible.
I.
H
Would
say
if
you're
going
to
appoint
someone,
they
need
to
attend
the
meetings.
I
think
it's
its
worst,
if
you
know
like
a
policy
that
you
adopt,
but
don't
fall,
you're
better
off
without
the
policy.
So
in
this
case
the
city
has
kind
of
taken
a
hands-off
approach
over
the
years
or
has
delegated
to
the
township.
Here
we
did
talk
about
a
liaison
of
some
sort,
whether
it's
the
city
manager
or
a
city
employee
who
would
interface
with
you
know,
grant
approval.
We
we
didn't
really
get
into
all
those.
A
M
To
coming
here
this
evening,
I
didn't
understand
that
revolving
grant
meant
that
Township
would
be
receiving
that
grant
every
every
single
year
for
direct
services.
So
my
response
to
seeing
the
draft
council
memo
is
going
to
be
modified
just
a
little
bit,
but
the
most
important
thing
that
I
want
you
to
consider
here
is
that
direct
services
should
be
provided
some
way
or
another
in
that
the
unmet
needs
of
the
community
are
able
to
be
reviewed,
or
at
least
an
entry
point
to
the
system
is
there
for
them
to
come
to?
M
We
currently
every
day
see
those
individuals
come
or
phone
calls
from
our
agencies.
Call
and
say:
can
you
help
this
person,
so
we
have
fabulous
relationships
and
referrals
from
these
agencies,
but
there
are
times
where
we
have
to
say
no,
because
of
this
or
because
of
that,
so
there
there
needs
to
be
an
opening
for
those
individuals
to
be
able
to
come
to
try
to
get
these
services.
M
We
don't
have
that
in
our
community
and
that's
what
John
M
Scott
is
about
is
to
be
able
to
adapt
to
those
changes,
especially
with
Affordable,
Health,
Care
being
being
changed,
and
the
major
changes
to
the
Medicaid
being
considered.
We
have
to
make
sure
that
we
can
overcome
their
unmet
needs
by
having
that
entry
point
so
when
it
means
revolving
grant
to
Township
to
provide
direct
services.
I'd
like
to
see
you
as
council,
men
and
women
that
you
consider
this
to
be
a
definite.
M
That
is
the
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
meet
those
immediate
needs.
The
immediate
individualized
stopgap
needs
that
exist
with
these
individuals
is
John
and
Scott.
That's
what
he
intended
it
for
that
to
be
that's.
Why
I
believe
that
that's
so
important,
because
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
meet
those
needs
at
an
entry
point
that
does
not
exist
today
that
doesn't
exist
in
any
one
agency.
M
Any
of
the
referring
agency
we
see
does
not
solve
everything,
or
most
of
even
you
know,
does
not
show
completely
or
help
completely
any
one
individual,
for
instance,
transportation.
We
want
to
do,
and
it's
meant
for
us
to
do
this
immediate
gap
and
then
move
to
a
long-term
situation
with
other
agencies.
That
means
that
the
agencies
are
meeting
the
needs
its
the
unmet
needs.
We
need
to
work
toward
Township
I
feel
Township
is
better
serves
the
city
Township
better
serves
because
we
have
the
experience
and
the
expertise.
M
We
met
the
demand
of
administrative
cost
being
reduced
in
2017.
Our
costs
are
going
to
be
single-digit
administrative
cost
in
2050
or
2018.
We
have
already
in
place
the
ability
to
serve
the
clients
for
their
medical
needs.
Their
general
assistance
needs
it's
all
one.
In
the
same
with
us,
the
missions
the
same,
we
have
the
word
position
to
make
any
adjustments,
both
indirect
services
and
grants,
we're
doing
the
grants
now,
and
we
continue
to.
M
Assess
part
of
the
stock
mission,
it's
always
been
to
have
the
sky
committed,
Scott
Commission
recommendation
approval
of
the
budget
this
last
year.
It
went
a
little
late
because
of
all
the
things
that
we've
been
going
through
with
the
changes
and
I
apologize
for
that.
But
every
year
that
that
recommendation
is
presented
to
Scott
commission.
They
have
a
say
in
this
everyone
and
that
should
include
in
terms
of
the
township
supervisor
being
a
non-voting
member
I.
Don't
have
that
problem
with
option
1
at
all.
M
A
C
Of
the
things
that
I
think
that
this
solves
are
providing
more
dollars
directly
to
clientele,
having
greater
flexibility
to
actually
address
some
of
the
volatility
of
the
healthcare
system.
Right
now,
putting
direct
decision-making
into
the
hands
of
the
commissioners
who
come
specifically
from
various
seats
within
our
health
care
community
and
basically
streamlining
the
any
kind
of
bureaucratic
layers
or
different
hierarchical
layers.
C
C
Yes,
I
think
it's
very
direct
and
I
actually
I
mean
I,
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
volatility
of
the
Affordable
Care,
Act
and
whatever
right
now,
but
actually
think
option.
2
provides
all
of
us
with
that.
All
of
the
commissioners,
in
particular
with
the
opportunity
to
they're
the
ones
who
have
their
hands
on
the
pulse
out
of
everybody
who's
sitting
in
this
room.
C
A
I
understand
the
I
mean
from
at
least
empirically
from
my
perspective.
I
do
understand
that
the
Braun
report
is
mr.
haire
I.
You
know,
with
all
due
respect.
I
think
you've
been
the
attorney
of
the
Commission
rather
than
a
trust,
because
you
I
think
essentially
have
you
talked
to
us
in
the
same
way.
I
don't
think
so
so
I
mean
that's
the
concern
that
I
have,
and
so
that
doesn't
mean
that
this
isn't
a
good
option,
but
as
I
look
at
the
evidence,
those
are
the
things
that
concern
me.
A
I
I,
don't
know
whether
or
not
grants
only
is
better
or
not.
That's
really
not
the
issue.
My
name
is
my
concern
is
just
the
process
here,
and
that
is
what
we're
going
to
be
doing.
If
the
township,
if
Township,
is
anything
they're
the
person
who's
supposed
to
or
the
focal
point
I
think
that's
supposed
to
be
able
to
decide
where
to
direct
people
and
the
specialist.
Certainly
nobody
knows
more
than
the
specialists.
There's
no
question
about
that
about
their
area,
but
I
think
as
I
see
it
in
terms
of
service
delivery.
A
A
H
What
I've,
what
I
try
to
do
and
my
original
involvement
is
this
as
I
was
asked
to
come
to
a
strategic
planning
meeting
for
the
Commission
first
time,
I'd
ever
met
the
Commission
members.
First
time
you
know,
I
had
ever
had
any
experience
with
them
at
all,
and
during
that
meeting
we
had
a
lot
of
discussions
about
what
direction
to
go
and,
of
course,
Deb
was
part
of
that
part
of
that
meeting
as
well.
H
So
I
made
a
lot
of
recommendations
off-the-cuff
and
they
asked
me
to
reduce
that
to
writing
which
I
did,
and
that
was
the
memo
that
kind
of
started
this
some
of
this
discussion,
but
prior
to
that,
the
Commission
members
had
gone
through
a
strategic
planning
process
and
which
was
very
detailed
and
fairly
comprehensive
from
there.
It
took
on
a
the
City
Council
got
involved
and
they
made
the
recommendation
to
hire
the
Bronner
group,
which
they
did
so
so
you're
correct
I
have
tried
to
walk
a
fine
line
between
who
my
client
is.
H
My
client
is
the
trust
as
a
whole
and
when
you
have
in
any
entity
differences
among
differences
of
opinion.
Well,
I:
try
not
to
take
sides,
but
ultimately
I
took
a
recommendation
early
in
this
process
and
I
stand
by
that
recommendation.
I,
don't
think
the
federal
government
is
going
to
solve
healthcare
I,
don't
think
the
state
of
Illinois
is
going
to
solve
healthcare.
H
Trying
to
utilize
this
trust
for
the
best
possible
use
in
accordance
with
you
know
the
the
testator's
original
intention.
Obviously
that
changes
over
time,
and
so
this
this
isn't
the
first
time
the
Trust
has
gone
through
this
right,
but
it's
a
situation
where
it
hasn't
worked
for
a
while
because
of
various
dynamics,
the
principal
one
being
changes
in
healthcare.
So
so
again,
I
stand
by
my
original
recommendations,
which
are
to
the
council
is
trustee,
as
well
as
the
commission
members.
Okay,
thank.
D
E
Vice
chair
sue
asked
me
to
speak
since
she's
done
at
the
last
few
times,
so
I
think
the
major
assumption
here
and
I
appreciate
your
comment.
Mayor
Renner
is
that
none
of
us
knows
what's
going
to
happen
with
health
care
and
I'm
old
enough.
That
I
was
a
nurse
before
Medicare
and
I've.
Seen
all
the
changes
that
have
occurred
over
50
years
in
in.
E
That
arena,
so
that
is
one
of
the
important
assumptions
that
were
making
and
one
of
the
things
that
has
impressed
me
about.
The
trust.
Excuse
me
about
the
Commission
is
that
it's
been
flexible
over
time
to
adjust
to
those
to
those
changes
and,
for
example,
when
Ruth
Ann
Sakura
Fraker
was
leading
the
group
we
had.
We
had
lots
of
services
being
delivered
through
John
and
Scott.
We
have
lots
of
prescriptions
going
out.
We
had
nurses
employed
there.
E
Okay,
then,
in
the
early
90s,
the
two
hospitals
plus
the
Medical
Society,
came
together
and
created
this
fabulous
community
health
care
clinic
and
so
no
longer
did.
We
need
the
services
of
John
and
Scott,
because
we
had
this
very
sophisticated
system
that
was
serving
lots.
More
patients
who
were
the
exact,
met
the
same
eligibility
criteria
of
of
what
Scott
was
doing
that
mean
in
terms
of
their
eligibility
of
citizens,
etc,
and
so
over
time.
What
we've
seen
is
you
ask
the
question?
E
What's
what's
the
driving
force
here,
we
have
seen
this
Virginie
number
of
services
in
this
community,
whether
it's
transportation,
whether
it's
the
clinic,
whether
it's
people
providing
dental
you
name.
It
we've
seen
this
and
you
had.
We
distributed
that
list
to
all
of
you.
So
you
have
us
serving
maybe
40
households
a
year
and
you
have
the
clinic
serving
thousands.
If
you
will
transportation
through
faith
in
action,
they
have
hundreds
of
volunteers.
E
E
The
other
thing
is
that
one
of
the
things
that
cost
money
is
to
screen
people,
and
one
of
the
things
we
used
to
do
between
the
clinic
and
Scott-
is
that
if
you,
if
you
qualified
for
one
since
it's
the
same,
you
know
same
eligibility,
you
didn't
have
to.
You
know,
go
through
a
referral
process
and
we
find
that
it
takes,
as
misko
Berta
says,
a
lot
of
time
to
assess
whether
someone
meets
our
criteria.
E
Okay,
so
you
have
people
whether
they're
going
to
the
Cancer,
Center
or
whatever
that
are
going
through
multiple
screenings,
and
it's
just
a
way
of
streamlining
the
administration
for
referrals
to
make
this
much
simpler.
The
proposal
that
we
had
and
that
you
receive
that
document
from
the
Commission
in
December
or
January,
where
we
propose
a
grants,
only
program
and
we
we
believe
that
we
can
double
the
amount
of
money
going
to
established
services
in
this
community.
E
Okay,
not
doubling
this
year
was
one
hundred
and
seventy
seven
thousand
five
hundred
dollars
of
grants
that
we
provided
to
entities
in
this
community.
We
believe
that,
with
our
typical
budget
about
thousand
or
a
little
less,
we
can
double
that
to
existing
services.
Our
model
that
we
are
proposing,
which
is
just
one
model,
it
could
be
done.
Many
different
ways
is
that
we
would
we
would
have
priority
grants.
The
priority
grants
would
be
determined
based
on
the
collective
assessment
in
this
community
by
the
two
hospitals,
United
Way
and
the
Health
Department.
E
They
have
now
joined
together
on
their
assessments,
so
we
would
find
out
from
them
and
they
do
a
three
year
cycle
now.
This
just
again,
if
this
past
year
and
we
would
identify
priority
grants,
the
perhaps
could
go
for
three
years
that
you
know
we're
either
mental
health
or
oral
health
or
whatever
they
identified.
E
Then
we
would
have
sustaining
grants
for
those
services
that
are
sort
of
doing
about
what
Scott
used
to
do,
for
example,
the
clinic
Center
for
Human
Services
that
provide
lots
of
very
important
service
and,
and
they
are
ready
or
screening,
there
already
have
sophisticated
services
there
and
then
finally
have
a
contingency
grant
that
could
meet
the
needs
that
are
sudden,
if
you
will
so
every
year.
You'd
have
a
budget
for
contingency
grants.
So,
for
example,
we
just
gave
money
a
grant
to
the
medevac
project,
because
this
is
a
huge
issue
in
our
community.
E
This
year
they
needed
money.
The
hospitals
are
giving
money
to
state
farms,
giving
money
we
gave
money.
It's
a
need
of
very
emergency
need
so
we'd
have
this
system
that
would
be
very
sophisticated
working
with
everyone
in
the
community
lots
of
collaboration
and
give
out
twice
as
much
money.
So
that,
and
as
someone
said,
if,
if
health
care
changes
and
we
need
to
change
eligibility
or
whatever
no
you're
the
ones
in
charge,
we
could
make
recommendations
and
change
the
system.
E
A
You
very
much
I
appreciate
that
so
I
think
at
this
point,
what
we
in
terms
of
our
direction,
because
we're
well
over
time
and
thank
you
Donna,
is
that
seems
like
we
have
support
for
option
two.
What
we
can
seem
ibly
can
do
is
maybe
have
one
that
has
a
year
or
two
time
limit
on
it
and
one
that
doesn't
present
both
options
to
the
council
moving
forward
and
and
then
we
can
I
think
that's
the
direction
that
I
think
we
can
reasonably
convey
ultimate
sage
in
this
could
have
to
be
real,
quick,
sorry,
yeah.
D
I
guess
I'd,
rather
you
know,
hear
suggestions
coming
back
from
a
Scot
Commission
on
sometime
box
I
mean
that
wasn't
part
of
the
the
options
that
were
presented
and
and
again
we
were
you're
going
to
trust
the
Commission
to
be
able
to
properly
administer
the
trust
and
and
I
don't
want
to
artificially
put
some
some
time
limit
on
it.
I
mean
if
it's
one
year
two
year
I
mean
whatever
it
is
I
guess
I
didn't
hear,
I
didn't
hear
widespread
I
mean
if
you
want
to
poll
the
council
and
I.
D
A
We
did
we
didn't
have
time
for
that
part
of
that
discussion.
There
was
there
was
there
were
a
couple
that
suggested
perhaps,
and
so
what
I
said
was
there
were
two
possible
options
if
the
council
isn't
interested,
then
they're
uninterested
at
this
point,
we
really
don't
have
time
to
continue
this
discussion,
so
I
think
we're
gonna
have
to
take
that
feedback
moving
forward.
If
the
council
doesn't
want
a
time
limit,
we
can
work
with
the.
A
If
there's
any
option,
the
staff
can
work
with
either
miss
skill,
rude
or
the
Scot
Commission
and
determining
a
time
the
council
doesn't
want
it.
We
don't
have
the
time
on
it.
Okay,
again,
we
really
have
to
stop,
and
so
at
this
point,
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
moved
by
all
the
woman
Schmidt?
Is
there
a
second
second
second
by
element
of
helmand
we're
adjourned
and
actually,
if
we
could,
if
everybody's
okay
with
this,
can
we
just
wrap
this
in?
If
I
could
I
don't
have
my
agenda?
Can
I
steal
yours?