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August 28, 2017 - City Council Special Session
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We
moved
our
public
comment
from
before
our
closed
special
meeting
to
right
now
on
our
agenda.
I
know
some
of
you
have
put
public
comment
cards
in
the
box
and
those
will
get
pulled
for
public
comment
at
our
7:00
p.m.
session.
Our
rules
are
five
minutes
up
to
five
minutes
before
a
meeting
starts
so
you'll,
be
in
that
second
pool.
We
have
two
individuals
who
wish
to
speak:
Donna,
Bolin
and
Bruce,
mink
so
Donna.
Could
you
come
first.
F
I'm
down
the
bowling
night
live
and
worn
to
the
first
thing
is
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention.
The
packet
itself
for
the
special
meeting.
I
was
surprised
to
see
that
the
ordinance
is
in
the
special
packet
and
I
was
under
the
impression
that
action
is
not
taken
in
a
special
meeting.
Okay,
and
it's
also
marked
as
being
passed
with
today's
date.
So
I
don't
know,
can
ask
mr.
Jergens.
You
know
how
that
affects
the
paper
trail,
so
to
speak.
F
Like
is
this
test
today,
generous
enhancing
okay
and
I'm,
going
to
be
talking
about
the
downtown
Bloomington
strategy
and
I
understand
that
the
strategy
and
the
comprehensive
plan
have
numerous
goals
and
objectives,
and
the
purpose
of
the
task
force
is
to
establish
the
top
priorities.
I
believe
that
the
two
documents
would
be
dust
merged
so
that
all
the
priorities
can
be
put
together
and
the
council's
responsibility
is
good
stewardship
for
financial
resources
if
the
taxes
have
been
flat
for
several
years
and
I
couldn't
find
the
most
recent
report
online.
F
The
state
budget,
of
course
reduces
the
local
revenue
and
there's
been
a
loan
taken
from
the
employee
health
account
and
I
seen
no
terms
for
repaying
that
long
online,
and
it
actually
is
being
used
for
additional
expenses
for
the
Coliseum,
which
the
last
time
money
was
borrowed
from
an
account.
It
was
never
paid
back
to
that
account.
So
I
would
like
to
seek
terms
of
the
repayment
before
we
start
spending
more
money
on
employees,
because
employees
are
the
largest
expense.
G
Because
you
can
counsel
verse
weeks,
I'm
going
to
try
to
reflect
back
what
I've
heard
from
the
counsel
for
a
number
of
years.
Some
of
those
people
are
gone
now,
specifically
about
the
downtown
business
situation.
I
used
to
have
a
business
in
downtown
Bloomington
I,
rented
from
one
of
the
largest
owners
of
properties
down
there.
I
have
brought
hotel
errs
here
myself
prior
to
Steve
Stockton,
leaving
to
look
at
the
warehouse
district
at
no
charge
to
those
people.
So
I
am
a
supporter
of
trying
to
get
downtown,
develop
and
move
forward.
G
There's
a
lot
of
things
against
us
on
demographics
and
other
issues,
but
one
of
the
problems
I
have
with
this
situation
on
adding
two
employees
is
how
much
it's
not
in
the
packet.
How
much
money
has
the
DBA
taken
in
and
donations
over
its
life
because
by
you
moving
basically
you're
closing
down
the
DBA
is
my
understand
that
nonprofit
will
not
exist
anymore,
so
you're
losing
those
donations
along
with
the
money
you've
been
putting.
G
Is
our
Weaver
putting
in
as
a
city
so
I'd
like
that
I'd
like
to
hear
that
discussion
come
up
just
so
we
have
some
more
data
and
what
user
fees
or
event
fees
our
member
fees?
Can
we
use
to
recover
this
cost
if
it
moves
forward?
That's
something
I've
heard
from
the
council
and
mr.
Hales
that
we
need
to
start
and
do
some
more
cost
recovery
situations.
G
This
is
a
tremendous
increase
with
a
budget
amendment
during
a
fiscal
year
and
I
think
it's
really
outside
the
priority
budgeting
parameters
that
you've
been
trying
to
establish
as
a
council
I
place
staff,
some
pretty
good
job
of
getting
priority
budgeting
in
place,
but
the
council's
have
been
a
little
bit
slow
by
picking
that
up.
So
I
I'd
like
to
see
this
be
put
back
a
bit
put
in
with
all
the
other
priorities.
G
We
have
and
go
through
the
budgeting
process,
and
we
look
at
fiscal
year
coming
up
1819
and
have
a
discussion
then,
with
more
information,
I,
don't
know
what
the
contributions
have
been
for
the
downtown
businesses.
To
this.
We
don't
have
an
Eastland
mall
business
associate.
We
don't
have
a
Hamilton
Road
Business
Association.
So
if
we're
going
to
do
this
as
a
community,
then
we
need
to
look
at
this,
as
people
are
going.
A
G
Be
working
for
the
whole
community,
not
a
splinter
of
it,
and
the
hotel
discussion
is
back
in
this
packet
tonight
and
we've
got
to
remind
everybody.
There's
a
now.
A
new
hotel,
open
and
north
normal
has
increase
the
capacity
for
rooms.
I
still
think
that's
an
issue.
So
are
we?
What
is
next?
Are
we
getting
to
absorb
the
Miller
Park
Sargent
societies?
Nonprofit
I
mean:
where
does
this
stop
and
also
I?
Think
it's
not
fair
to
other
potential
applicants
that
would
apply
the
way
this
is
structured,
so
I
say
leave
away.
G
B
H
B
H
I
said
we
we
had
that
chance
to
talk
about
this
very
briefly
two
weeks
ago,
and
so
much
of
these
things,
you
see,
will
be
the
same
as
you
saw,
but
I
did
want
to
amplify
a
couple
of
them
for
you,
prior
to
your
having
some
discussion
of
it,
then
and
I
know
we
have
a
few
minutes
for
you,
then
to
talk
about
it.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
was
that
this
is
one
of
the
EWP's.
H
Is
these
c3
things
to
help
vet
potential
downtown
projects
to
help
determine
public
influence
and
play
a
key
role
in
a
number
of
different
things,
not
the
least
of
which
is
streetscape
and
parking,
and
so
this
falls
in
line
with
the
the
stakeholders
meeting
that
we
had
last
year
and
the
downtown
task
force
meetings
that
are
going
on
at
the
present
time.
The
downtown
master
plan
was
adopted
without
an
implementation
plan
and
I
said
so.
So
what
do
we
do
then?
H
And
what
that
really
means
is
the
people
that
are
doing
that
are
the
things
that
are
moving.
We
don't
we
don't
get
trucks
or
or
piles
of
asphalt.
What
you
actually
get
is
you
get
the
people
that
are
doing
that
business
now
and
those
people
are
to
current
employees
who
we
have
now
who
would
become
city
employees
and
they
would
move
to
the
Community
Development
Department
and
we
have
room
for
them
in
the
government
center.
H
We
have
actually
a
lot
of
room
in
the
government
center
that
isn't
being
used
and
we're
trying
to
more
effectively
use
that,
and
these
would
be
on
the
three
ground
floor
offices
facing
Washington
Street
in
what
is
currently
the
parks
department
and
there's
room
for
the
parks
department
to
consolidate
some
of
their
resources
a
little
bit
further
south
in
the
building,
and
then
that
process
would
would
be
phased
in
over
a
course
of
six
months.
We'll
do
a
detailed,
comprehensive,
comprehensive
implementation
plan.
H
The
funding
of
that
is
as
follows.
Currently
the
city
funds
a
DBA
in
terms
of
six
at
ninety
thousand
dollars
earlier
this
year,
when
we're
going
through
the
budget
process,
the
Budget
Committee
at
the
DBA
asked
us
for
about
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
is
what
it
really
takes
them
to
run
their
operation.
H
But
when
the
budget
finally
shook
out,
we
could
only
afford
$90,000,
and
that,
of
course,
is
one
of
the
essential
problems
here
is
that
the
the
DBA
is
essentially
broke
and
can't
fund
the
activities
that
it
tries
to
do
in
furtherance
of
the
council
priorities,
particularly
since
$90,000
doesn't
go
very
far
when
they
have
to
pay
rent
utilities
all
of
their
activities
and
to
employees
pay
and
Ben
than
that
they're,
currently,
by
the
way
being
paid
less
than
our
our
lowest
pay
grade
in
the
city.
The
new
DD
D,
as
I,
would
call
it.
H
The
Downtown
Development
Division
would
be
funded
at
a
total
of
two
hundred
sixty
seven
thousand
annually,
and
then
that
would
include
both
the
pay
and
the
business
and
benefits
for
the
employees
and
it
would
fund
all
of
the
current
activities
downtown
that
are
being
done
by
the
DBA
plus
many
more
that
they
would
like
to
do.
But
they've
had
neither
the
time
nor
the
money
to
do
it.
H
They'll
have
more
time
now
to
be
able
to
do
that,
because
now
they
do
a
lot
of
things
like
they
do
their
own
budgeting
and
they
do
their
own
payroll
insurance.
Those
kind
of
things
would
be
done
by
the
city,
because
we
have
more
depth
for
that,
and
that
would
leave
those
employees
time
to
spend
their
time
and
effort
doing
downtown
activities
which
further
the
council
priorities
this
year.
H
When
we
take
the
$90,000
that
is
out
of
it,
it
would
leave
a
net
increase
of
a
hundred
and
seventy
seven
thousand
to
the
Community
Development
Department
on
an
annual
basis
and
for
the
remainder
of
this
year,
since
we've
already
gone
through
about
a
quarter
of
the
way
the
math
comes
out.
Is
that
would
be
a
hundred
and
forty-four
thousand
dollars,
or
so
and
in
the
council
packet
for
the
next
meeting.
We
do
have
that
as
a
budget.
H
Currently,
the
DBA
gets
about
$12,000
in
dues,
and
that
would
continue
and
we
would
propose
that
that
continues
to
go
to
the
downtown
Bloomington
Association
for
them
to
conduct
their
activities.
They
also
get
about
$10,000
in
fundraising,
which
would
continue
to
go
to
them
so
that
that
organization
would
have
money
to
help
promote
downtown
Bloomington
as
it
stands
now.
H
A
lot
of
that
money
goes
into
not
promoting
downtown
activities,
but
it
goes
into
paying
the
the
rent
and
the
and
the
electricity
for
the
building
that
they've
got
and
help
paying
for
the
salaries
of
the
employees.
Those
things
now
would
they
be
taken
care
of
by
the
city
under
the
theory
that
they
would
be
city
employees,
and
so
then
this
money,
then
could
go
to
the
DBA
for
ongoing
activities.
H
But
they
don't
have
the
time
or
the
money
to
do
now
and
then
the
safer
downtown.
They
would
like
to
establish
a
neighborhood
watch
program
that
they're
working
on.
They
have
talked
about
creating
an
ambassador
program
like
we
had
seen
in
several
other
cities
and
then
take
ownership
of
the
homelessness
issue.
We've
had
groups
that
have
met
on
that
and
we
do
it
an
informal
basis,
but
there's
no
one
that
really
in
the
city
can
take
act.
Ownership
of
that
one
of
the
good
things
about
this
was
that
me
or
you.
B
H
They
work
for
the
board
here,
they'll
be
working
for
Tom,
day
Breiner
and
me,
and
so
we
can
assign
him
these
things
and
we'll
tell
them
to
fix
those
problems
and
then,
in
terms
of
a
communication
plan,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
feedback
a
little
bit,
and
that
is
you
get
a
yearly
DBA
report
and
I'm
sure
some
of
you
have
looked
at
those,
but
that's
not
a
lot
of
feedback
from
you.
What
happens
here
when
there
are
city
employees?
We
get
get
daily
reports
back.
H
Certainly,
weekly
reports
back
when
we
have
staff
meetings
and
activity
would
come
back
to
the
city
manager.
He
could
put
this
in
his
weekly
reports
and
his
monthly
reports
so
having
them
as
a
part
of
the
city
would
give
you
repeated
and
immediate
feedback,
and
so
I'd
like
to
conclude
here
by
going
back
to
where
I
begin
by,
emphasizing
that
this
is
a
great
ability
for
us
to
move
forward
with
a
significant
support
of
one
of
your
downtown
priorities
at
a
relatively
modest
amount
of
money.
H
If
you
could
move
every
one
of
your
down
every
one
of
your
council
priorities
forward
with
this
small
amount
of
money,
you
would
be
heroes
of
heroic
proportions
here.
At
least
you
do
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
so
the
staff
recommendation
is
that
we
move
forward.
This
and
you'll
see
this
on
the
council
agenda.
Following
this
meeting.
Okay
can
I
answer
any
of
your
questions.
C
I
Just
interject
that
I
I
think
that
is
still
kind
of
subject
to
modification.
We
do
want
to
be
a
little
careful
that
if
there
is
going
to
be
any
fundraising
activity
by
city
employees
for
an
outside
nonprofit,
we
definitely
would
want
to
bring
back
to
the
council.
Some
sort
of
agreement
and
we've
got
to
keep
in
mind
that,
in
addition
to
the
DBA,
we've
got
the
downtown
property
owners
association,
you
know,
and
and
and
many
others,
usually
it's
just
the
reverse.
I
B
J
You
and
Steve
you
and
I
had
a
phone
conversation
earlier
today
and
talked
about
some
different
questions
I'm.
What
I'm,
what
I'm,
still
not
not
clear
on,
is
and
I
and
I.
There
are
references
to
this
I'm
still
I'm
still
don't
have
a
clear
line
of
sight
as
to
the
direct
tangible
benefits
of
bringing
these
folks
inside
inside
the
city.
J
So
so
let
me
just
ask
you
in
any
czar
in
no
particular
order.
What
what?
If
was
there
any
consideration
given
to
perhaps
a
pilot
effort
where-
and
you
mentioned
tonight
and
earlier
today
on
our
phone
conversation
on
the
amount
of
work
they
spend
on
what
I
would
characterize
as
back
office
activities
like
budgeting
insurance
and
so
forth?
J
Was
there
any
conversation,
and
he
thought
given
to
perhaps
throughout
the
rest
of
this
budget
year,
having
the
city
perhaps
take
over
and
help
with
those
back-office
activities
which
should
theoretically
free
up
some
capacity,
then
within
the
current
DBA,
to
begin
to
to
I
guess
have
a
proof
of
concept
or
be
able
to
demonstrate,
then
how
that
new
capacity
that
additional
capacity
would
benefit
moving
downtown
efforts
forward.
Well,.
J
So
I
guess
I
would
still
have
some
reservations
about
again
fully
understanding
what
the
realized
benefits
are
going
to
be
without
seeing
some
proof
of
concept
and
in
terms
of
what
some
additional
capacity
for
DBA
these
removing
those
those
back-office
activities.
You
know
taking
those
off
their
desk
now
and
freeing
up
that
capacities
just
so
we
could
have
a
better
idea
of
of
what
we
might
expect.
If
a
you
know
should
we
should
we
move
forward
with
developing
the
DD,
be
sure.
H
B
K
You
Steve,
you
and
I
also
had
a
conversation
today
and
I.
One
of
the
things
that
I
am
still
not
clear
about
is
the
level
of
urgency
to
do
it
now.
I
think
I
mentioned
that
in
our
conversation,
given
that
it's
you
know
we're
midstream,
you
know
in
in
the
budget
year.
Typically
so
I
as
if
you
do
something
midstream,
it
means
that
it
is
an
emergency
and
you
absolutely
have
to
do
it,
but
yeah
I'm
not
getting
a
sense
of
that
right
now.
K
Just
looking
at
the
programs
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
maybe
have
a
conversation
to
make
that
a
little
clearer
for
me
and
and
similar
to
what
alderman
Said's
said,
I
do
very
much
like
pilot.
You
know
that
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
try
something,
because
nothing
is,
is
guaranteed
and
and
I'd
like
to
to
see
that
happen,
so
that
the
the
public
can
see
exactly
what
it
is
that
they're
getting
for
an
exchange
for
this.
This
new
arrangement.
H
If
I
could
answer
your
first
question,
though,
about
a
sense
of
urgency,
there
is
not
a
sense
of
urgency,
but
there
is
some
pressure
on
that
for
two
reasons.
One
is
that
the
DBA
is
is
essentially
broke
now.
It
can't
very
well
continue
to
do
what
it's
doing
the
way
its
funded
and
certainly
can't
move
things
forward.
So
there's
pressure
on
them
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
one
of
the
advantages
of
doing
it
now
is
that
when
we
do
go
through
the
budget
process,
we'll
already
have
it
behind
us.
You
know
when
that
time
comes.
H
K
K
H
May
be
some
room
for
that:
we'd
have
to
free
up
some
funds
for
them
to
use
now
other
things
we'd
have
to
look
at
that
I'm,
not
sure
that
we
that
we
house
any
other
not-for-profits.
Maybe
we
do
again,
I,
don't
know
the
model
for
that,
but
that's
something
that
we
could
consider
as
kind
of
a
halfway
measure.
B
L
You
and
thank
you,
Steve
I,
appreciate
this
so
I've
been
up
here
now
for
about
four
a
half
years
and
I
have
heard
us
really
talk
about
downtown
a
lot.
You
know
the
mayor
has
talked
about
it.
Frequently
we've
had
campaigns
where
it
comes
up
as
every
single
you
know
what
are
gonna
do
about
downtown
when
it
comes
to
questions
and
in
each
council
with
council
retreat
that
I
can
recall.
L
This
council
has
listed
it
as
a
priority
and
in
previous
conversations
amongst
the
diets
appear,
people
define
priorities
differently,
and
that
leads
to
some
confusion
and
some
frustration,
sometimes
for
staff,
but
to
be
clear
where
the
way
I
think
a
priority
is:
where
are
we
going
to
spend
our
resources?
We
only
have
limited
resources
and
they
can
only
go
to
so
many
places
and
downtown
has
always
been
a
priority.
For
me,
it
is
a
jewel
of
our
community
and
every
time
I.
L
Look
at
the
comparison
between
now
and
when
I
first
got
elected,
there's
been
some
some
progress,
but
the
progress
isn't
to
where
I
think
it
could
be
and
to
me
from
where
I
said.
I
like
the
idea
of
us
putting
some
resources,
some
meaningful
resources
behind
these
projects
and
I've
talked
publicly
and
privately
about
them.
L
This
addresses
a
lot
of
those
issues
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
things
throughout
the
years
and
I
want
to
say,
fall
through
the
cracks
but
have
not
been
accomplished
because
of
limited
resources
that
we
could
help
out
with.
And
you
know
you
look
at
the
front
of
our
packets
every
packet
we
list
downtown
as
a
priority
as
one
of
our
seven
major
priorities
in
our
and
I.
Let's,
let's
see
it
happen
and
I'm
very
excited
about
this
is
an
idea.
If
it
doesn't
work,
we
can
try
something
different.
L
L
These
are
very
attainable
goals,
I,
think,
they're,
quite
measurable
and
I
think
it
will
make
a
meaningful
impact
downtown
not
only
for
business
owners
and
stakeholders,
but
also
for
our
residents
and
when
downtown
does
well.
The
whole
community
does
well
there's
no
denying
that
fact
so.
I'm
very
supportive
and
I
look
forward
to
hopefully
seeing
this
pass.
M
Thank
you
and
I
think
alderman.
Black
makes
some
very
good
points
in
terms
of
prioritization.
Downtown
is
a
well
stated
priority
for
this
council
and
for
the
residents
of
the
city,
not
only
that,
but
in
our
retreats
we
have
identified
specifically
better
integration
between
the
DBA
and
the
city
administration
as
being
a
goal,
and
staff
has
now
brought
to
us
a
way
to
accomplish
that
goal,
and
it
could
have
taken
on
a
lot
of
different
different
methods.
M
We
could
have
gone
a
lot
of
different
directions,
but
I'm
fully
convinced,
after
talking
to
staff,
that
they
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
coming
up
with
this
proposal,
which
they
believe
best
reflects
our
priorities
and
is
the
best
way
to
get
what
we
are
hoping
to
do
in
downtown.
So
I
think
we
need
to
do
to
somewhat
defer
to
staff
expertise
in
this
area
that
this
is
a
proposal
out
of
many
proposals
that
came
to
the
top
of
the
list.
M
And
the
second
item
is
a
question
about
well
what
what
will
we
get
if
we
move
forward
on
this
plan
and
I
think
there
will
always
be
unknowns,
but
to
some
extent
we
know
exactly
what
we're
going
to
get,
which
is
incredibly
high
level
service
and
an
advocacy
for
a
downtown
area
for
relatively
low
cost,
because
that's
what
we
already
get
Trisha
and
the
leadership
at
the
DBA
give
us
a
great
deal
with
very
few
resources
and
I
think
if
we
give
them
sufficient
resources.
So
they
can
do
more.
M
B
D
I
May
I
just
offered.
There
was
a
time
when
that
proposal
did
come
up
personally
and
professionally.
I
would
kind
of
recommend
against
that,
mainly
because,
when
you
bring
a
nonprofit
organization
into
a
City
facility,
these
are
people
that
we
don't
supervise.
You
know,
but
yet
they
need
to
have
access
to
the
building
in
and
out,
and
the
DBA
might
want
to.
You
know
utilize
other
facilities,
not
to
say
it
couldn't
happen,
but
it
does
present
its
own
unique
examples
or
challenges
of
how
to
gauge
that
other
than
that.
I
I
think
the
other
alternative
could
be
is
provide
supplemental
funding
this
year
that
such
as
increase
their
funding,
so
that
they
could
continue
to
stay
at
their
current
office.
If
you
were
looking
at
continuing
to
investigate
at
research
at
try
a
little,
you
know,
pilot
so
I
think
that
would
be
even
a
better
alternative
if
the
council
were
not
willing
to
support
the
prophecy
tonight
so
that
they
can
continue
to
do
what
they're
doing
a
very
good
job
at
it.
C
B
Where
our
time
is
growing
short,
I
would
like
to
say
that
I
am
over
many.
Many
years
have
watched
the
I've
been
flow
of
downtown
and
I
see
this
as
a
real
opportunity
to
build
on
economic
development
in
an
area
where
I
look
out
and
I
see
an
awful
lot
of
people
who
have
put
their
own
skin
in
the
game
and
have
built
some
amazing
businesses.
So
I
look
at
this
as
a
public-private
partnership
that
we're
making
good
on
DB
egg
does
incredible
work
with
volunteers.
B
I
can
only
imagine
what
they
could
do
if,
if
they
could
leverage
that
in
a
much
better
way
and
I
and
I
also
can't
help
but
reflect
on
the
number
of
visitors
that
are
now
coming
to
our
downtown
from
all
over
the
world
and
the
opportunity
to
build
on
that
with
two
very
talented
people
that
we
have
on
our
staff
will
obviously
have
this
conversation
when
we
get
into
our
regular
session.
But
I
appreciate
all
the
comments
up
here.
B
I
We
did
not
have
that
appeal
process
previously,
but
as
the
corporate
Council
prepared
this
ordinance,
the
one
thing
I
thought
it
would
be
beneficial
before
we
brought
the
final
version
of
this
draft
ordinance
to
you
is
tot
see
if
you
could
help
us
with
a
little
bit
more
direction
on
a
critical
issue,
and
that
is,
if
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
this.
There
certainly
is
a
one
role
for
the
city
forester,
and
that
is
to
really
determine
what
is
the
health
of
a
shade
tree.
You
know,
is
it
healthy
and
vibrant?
I
Does
it
need
to
have
any
trimming
things
of
that
nature?
It's
the
second
part
where
I
think
we
get
into
a
very
challenging
question.
That
is
if
the
tree
is
healthy
and
yet
say
like
a
homeowner
wants
to
take
out
that
tree
and
put
in
a
circular
Drive
vehicle
drive
or
to
put
in
a
new
driver,
proach
or
or
maybe
there's
the
idea
that
a
sidewalk
is
to
be
built.
I
And
you
have
a
very
lovely
large
tree
in
the
way
that,
unfortunately,
when
those
issues
has
come
up,
there
can
be
a
lot
of
emotion,
a
lot
of
passion
and
a
lot
of
disagreement
both
on
the
part
of
elected
officials,
property
owners
and
then
staff,
sometimes
caught
in
the
middle.
Because,
as
you
even
notice
in
this
secular
ordinance,
there's
not
much
in
the
way
of
criteria
as
to
how
staff-
or
in
this
case
a
the
traffic
engineer,
should
assess
the
merits
of
a
property
owners
proposal
to
remove
a
tree
for
say,
safety
reasons.
I
And
we
definitely
have
had
some
incidences
in
the
past,
where
someone
did
want
to
take
down
a
tree
to
put
in
a
circular
Drive
and
wouldn't
that
enhance
the
safety
of
the
people.
Driving
in
that
or
coming
into
the
property,
instead
of
always
backing
out,
furthermore,
I
think
it's
easy
to
look
at
I.
Think
for
comparison.
If
the
city
is
doing
the
project-
and
let's
say
it's
a
widening
project
and
we're
expanding
out
into
the
park
strip,
what
happens
when
the
shade
tree
gets
in
the
way?
It's
usually
cut
down
for
a
city
project?
I
I
So
with
that
in
mind,
didn't
know
if
any
of
you
had
any
help
insight-
and
many
of
you
I
know
have
been
involved
in
some
of
these
discussions
over
the
years,
and
you
know
the
catch-22
oftentimes
staff
it
gets
in
because
sometimes
we're
being
you
know,
approached
from
both
sides
to
either
deny
it
or
to
approve
it.
And
last
but
not
least,
there
is
what
we
have
seen
is.
I
That's
something
the
city
does
a
lot,
so
there
is
times
when
maybe
yes,
maybe
a
tree
will
come
down,
but
it
can
be
replaced
with
one
or
more
healthier
trees,
but
especially
I
think
this
challenge
is
especially
acute
in
the
historical
areas
of
the
city,
because
that's
where
usually
there's
even
a
greater
love
and
passion
for
these
very
old,
you
know
and
very
beautiful
trees.
So
that
was
the
intent
tonight
tonight
and
throughout
this
week,
see
if
you
could
give
us
any
help
in
further
developing
some
criteria.
I
But
then
you
know,
after
that
we
kind
of
added
this
new
element
that
well,
maybe,
if
the
request
for
taking
down
the
tree
and
if
it's
a
healthy
tree,
but
maybe
the
applicant
really
has
a
safety
reason
or
rationale
to
want
the
tree
cut,
cutting
down
and
and
that's
where
we
came
up
with
a
second
part
of
paragraph
three
for
a
traffic
engineer
to
do
an
assessment.
But
this
is
where
we
just
weren't
sure,
because
you
know
the
traffic
engineer
may
say
you
know.
Having
a
circular
drive
is
a
great
safety
improvement.
I
It's
safer
for
the
resident
to
be
able
to
drive
in
in
a
circular
motion
and
exit,
rather
than
constantly
backing
out,
especially
true
on
heavily
traveled
streets
and
I
can
see
where
there,
the
forester
says
it's
healthy
traffic
engineer
says
yes,
but
safety
should
trump,
maybe
the
health
of
a
tree.
For
that
reason,
and
then
what
should
we
go
with
the
safety
issue?
What
the
traffic
engineer
says,
so
it's
the
age-old
problem
that
I
think
us
in
many
many
cities
have
dealt
with
with
know,
sometimes
clear
direction.
M
I
N
O
Somebody
asks
for
one
to
be
removed
and
we
determine
well
it
doesn't.
We
don't
feel
that
it
needs
to
be
removed.
We
believe
it
still
needs
to
stay
and
then
we'll
tell
them
that
and
most
the
time
that's
the
end
of
it.
There's
also
a
procedure
where
somebody
can
put
in
a
permit
to
have
the
tree
removed
themselves
and
then
they
would
apply
for
a
permit
online
through
our
Parks
Department,
and
that
permit
says
you
know.
Why
do
you
want
the
tree
removed
and
you
know
who's
gonna?
O
Do
it
etc,
etc
and
I
believe
that's
the
process
that
David's
looking
at
here?
If
the
we
say,
no,
you
know
they
do
it
go
ahead
and
submit
the
permit
that
they
want
to
do
it
on
their
own
at
their
cost,
and
then
the
permit
comes
to
me
and
then
I
say
no
again,
because
I've
already
said
no
to
begin
with.
Then
they
have
a
way.
They
can
appeal
that
if
they'd
like
to
that's
kind
of
kind
of
the
process
and.
N
M
O
Would
take
everything
to
account
when
removing
a
tree,
but
also
as
we
are
you
know,
so
what
I'm?
Looking
for
for
taking
care
of
the
tree?
The
trees
are
responsibilities.
We're
not
traffic
engineers.
We
make
our
comments
based
on
the
health
of
the
tree,
is
that
the
proper
species
is
a
healthy.
Is
the
tree
itself,
a
hazard
and
then
I
think
moving
forward
into
a
traffic
hazard
or
a
sidewalk
hazard
or
safety
from
a
walking
standpoint.
Maybe
the
traffic,
the
pedestrian
traffic
traffic's,
would
be
better
on
that
side
of
the
street
versus
the
other.
O
I
M
And
I
know
he's
one
of
those
examples.
It
was
a
self-imposed
hardship
because
there
was
a
choice
made
where
it
a
driveway
I
would
say
in
general,
I
like
the
idea
of
an
appeals
process,
so
that
there
is
a
feeling
of
if
you're
not
satisfied
with
the
determination.
That's
good
I'm,
not
sure
this
is
something
that
needs
to
go
to
the
City
Council
level
and
be
politicized
in
nature.
M
If
we
give
clear
guidance
through
an
ordinance
as
to
what
we
expect,
because
really
I
mean
I've
dealt
with
a
number
of
these
and
I'm
sure
others
have
as
well.
Typically
it's
either
personal
preference
or
self-imposed
hardship.
So
those
instances
where
there's
something
else
going
on
and
they
have
been
granted
ability
to
take
remove.
The
tree
seems
very
rare
to
me,
but
thank
you.
N
O
Extremely
rare,
typically,
the
only
permits
we
receive
through
our
system
for
removal
of
a
city
tree
other
than
by
us
is
through
a
power
company
or
some
type
of
utility
easement.
This
is
a
very
rare,
unique
situation,
but
he
said
into
the
kids
possible:
it's
very
possible.
We
receive
a
number
of
permits
when
somebody
wants
to
plant
a
tree.
Of
course,
we
usually
approve
those
sure
in.
O
I
will
adorn
our
department.
Would
our
department
would
if
we
allow
an
outside
contractor
to
remove
a
city
tree
I
think
is
what
they're
saying
we
need
to
approve
in
the
contractor.
We
need
to
make
sure
they're
ANSI
certified
there
emerald
ash
borer
compliant.
All
their
permits
are
in
place
that
type
of
thing
if
they
were
to
do
work
on
city
property,
I'm,
pretty
sure.
That's
where
that's
that's
directed
yeah.
C
A
I
I
And
keep
in
mind
too,
as
you
look
at
this
well,
even
if
it
comes
to
you
know
all
the
way
to
the
city
manager,
how?
How
does
the
manager
avoid
being
viewed
as
being
arbitrary
and
capricious,
because
what
criteria
is
there
to?
You
know
rule
in
favor
of
a
a
overruling
the
city
forester
and
then,
fortunately,
right
now,
even
with
this
additional
languages
not
much
there
to
give
either
the
applicant
or
the
city
manager
much
guidance
as
to
what
would
be
the
policy
priorities
for
the
council
in
preserving.
I
B
N
P
O
P
I
mean
it
because
I've
seen
you
know
we're
spending
a
significant
amount
of
money,
planting
trees
and
when
to
Amelia's
point,
when
people
are
making
decisions
to
put
driveways
in
places
where
they
could
go
around
the
trees.
You
know,
I
would
hate
to
see
us
say,
put
put
ourselves
in
a
situation
where
anything
could
be
claimed
as
for
motor
safety
versus
when
when
different
decisions
could
be
made.
So
if
it's
still
to
the
city,
forest
or
I
think
that
that
seems
okay
to
me.
So.