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September 11, 2017 - City Council Special Session
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A
B
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mayor
pro-tem.
This
is
a
continuation
of
prior
discussions
on
the
sanitary
sewer
and
stormwater
portions
of
our
capital
improvement
plan.
I
appreciate
and
acknowledge
the
hard
work
of
our
public
works
director
and
his
staff,
together
with
Pat
Elin
Silva,
the
finance
department
and
in
putting
together
for
your
review
tonight
a
very
specific
proposal
for
addressing
our
sewer
and
stormwater
needs
over
the
next
20
year,
which
is
very
directly
and
I.
Think
integrated
with
the
storm
water
and
sanitary
sewer
master
plan.
E
E
E
So
we're
going
to
keep
our
presentation
short
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
five
to
ten
minutes
at
the
most
we
want
to
avoid
being
redundant,
and
hopefully,
you've
had
a
chance
to
review
this.
We
want
to
leave
as
much
time
as
possible
for
your
questions
of
staff
and
then
ultimate
direction.
How
you
want
to
proceed
at
the
conclusion
of
this
this
portion
of
our
meeting
tonight
so
with
that
I'll
ask
Jim.
Karch
public
works
director
to
come
forward
and
then,
however,
you're
going
to
also
utilize
patty
lynn
silva,
you
know
as
as
needed.
A
You
city
manager,
Hales,
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem
and
City
Council
again,
we
are
before
you
to
talk
about
sanitary
and
storm
sewer.
This
is
a
topic
that
we've
been
discussing
for
five
years
in
2012,
we
started
a
master
plan.
It
was
completed
adopted
in
2015,
we
did
a
rate
study,
and
so
we
are
just
continuing
that
dialogue.
One
of
the
important
facets
tonight
is
we
are
trying
to
find
way
to
reasonably
move
the
ball
forward,
so
we
can
have
a
plan
to
be
able
to
address
our
underground
infrastructure.
A
It
is
one
of
those
topics
that
is
hard
because
it's
under
under
the
surface,
it's
hard
to
see
people
just
flush,
the
toilet,
assume
everything
goes
away.
You
assume
in
your
backyard
that
the
water,
whenever
rains
will
be
conveyed
away,
but
the
problem
is:
we've
been
underfunded
in
this
community
for
a
long
time.
This
is
not
an
issue
that
is
recent.
This
is
an
issue
that
has
taken
many
decades
to
get
to
this
point.
A
We
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
not
drop
the
ball
moving
forward
and
so
we're
asking
tonight
for
some
additional
direction
on
moving
forward.
We
have
we've
laid
the
case
out
I
believe
over
the
past
few
years,
for
this
need
I.
Think
many
of
you,
as
aldermen,
have
have
seen
what
kind
of
issues
we've
had.
Each
of
your
wards
has
been
affected.
Each
of
you,
I've
had
to
tell
you
know
many
times
that
we
can't.
We
can't
address
this
need
because
we
just
don't
have
the
resources
to
deal
with
it.
A
Our
master
plan
calls
for
136
million
dollars
over
the
next
20
years.
That
is
a
lot
of
money,
but
what
we
will
look
at
is
how
do
you
need
to
eat
an
elephant
one
bite
at
a
time?
We
cannot
generate
136
million
dollars
today,
but
we
are
trying
to
say
over
a
20-year
period.
How
do
we
have
proper
things
in
place,
practices,
policies,
procedures
so
that
our
staff
can
be
able
to
address
our
infrastructure
need.
One
thing
I'd
like
to
talk
about.
A
First,
is
that
let's
address
the
issue
of
general
fund
versus
enterprise,
I
think
that's
a
key
differentiation.
I'd
really
like
to
stress
for
the
council.
Some
some
people
will
say
why
can't
you
pay
for
this,
with,
with
other
the
existing
property
tax
sales
tax
revenue.
It's
important
to
note
that
that
sewers,
both
sanitary
and
storm,
are
both
separate
enterprise
funds.
They're
user
fee
based
the
services
that
come
out
of
it
are
how
they
happen
because
of
the
the
rates
that
are
paid
by
people
on
a
monthly
basis.
A
So
whenever
you
take
water
into
your
house
that
that
generates
how
much
money
you
then
pay
on
sanitary
sewer,
so
it's
based
depending
upon
how
much
you
use.
So
it's
a
user
based
system
same
thing
with
storm
water.
Your
storm
water
rate
is
dependent
upon
how
much
impervious
area
is
on
your
property,
the
bigger
the
property
more
that
you
pay,
and
so
again
these
are
user
based
systems
that
drive
the
ability
for
us
to
provide
the
service,
and
so
that's
why
we
can't
just
ignore
this.
These
rates
have
been
we'll
talk
about
that.
A
A
little
bit
they've
been
frozen,
some
of
them
no
movement
forward
since
2004.
This
is
a
breakdown
of
the
master
plan.
What
does
the
master
plan
call
for
in
each
of
the
different
areas?
Asset
Management
storm
water,
sanitary,
each
of
those
has
different
staffing,
different
total
dollars
that
are
required,
we'll
break
that
down
for
you
in
just
a
little
bit.
But
one
of
the
things
we
don't
talk
a
lot
about
is
that
asset
management
you'll
hear
me
talk
about
that
in
terms
of
televising
the
sewers
and
rating
the
sewers.
A
A
There's
been
no
changes
in
the
sanitary
sewer
fees
since
2012,
and
so
the
the
problems
that
we
have
are
very
basic
they're
just
coming
to
where
we
are
not
able
to
address
the
fundamental
maintenance
items
that
we
have
I
even
used
the
example
in
storm
water
that
there
is
Marion
Street
detention
basin
has
some
very
significant
issues
that
have
to
be
addressed.
We're
having
to
deal
with
that
with
a
sewer
maintenance
contract
that
isn't
even
it
isn't
even
supposed
to
deal
with
it,
but
we've
got
no
other
way
to
handle
it.
A
So
the
problem
is
right
now
is
our
staff
is
just
pointing
fire
extinguishers
at
the
largest
fires
and
we
cannot,
as
a
community
of
this
size,
who
wants
to
move
things
forward,
maintain
what
we're
doing
with
the
service
level
we're
at.
So
we
look
at
what
kind
of
capital
projects,
just
as
a
city
manager,
pointed
out
all
of
this
ties
in
with
our
capital
improvement
plans.
I've
tried
to
talk
about
it
before,
but
let
me
say
this
with
our
resurfacing.
A
We
know
people
talk
about
our
streets,
but
we
as
a
staff
I'll
give
our
staff
just
a
ton
of
credit.
They
have
tried
to
make
sure
we've
talked
about
anytime.
You
resurface
the
street,
you
line
the
sewer,
you
make
sure
the
sewer,
the
water
everything
is
okay,
and
so,
in
this
case
we
are
coming
up
against
the
point
where
we
don't
have
enough
televised
in
line
to
where
we
can
really
keep
up
with
an
ongoing
resurfacing
program.
A
So
we're
going
to
get
to
the
point
here-
probably
even
this
next
year,
but
definitely
the
following
year,
where
we
do
not
have
enough
sewers
that
are
in
good
enough
shape
for
us
to
resurface
and
me
tell
you
that
that
is
still
a
service
level
we're
providing.
So
what
we
talk
about.
Let's
talk
about
the
downtown
downtown
Bloomington
there's
been
a
lot
of
focus
on
our
downtown,
and
so
we
talked
about.
We
asked
the
question:
what
is
the
infrastructure
like
in
the
downtown?
A
A
Now,
unfortunately,
though,
I
need
to
tell
you
that
we
have
about
an
eighty
three
hundred
feet
that
still
needs
to
be
lined,
so
we've
lined
three
thousand
eight
hundred
and
seventy
feet,
and
we
still
have
eight
thousand
three
hundred
feet
to
go:
we're
estimating
in
the
range
of
six
to
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
line
what
needs
to
be
done
in
the
downtown.
That's
still
left
to
go.
A
A
So,
let's
talk
about
we've
we've
hit
this
before
too,
but
right
now
we
are
being
reactive
as
a
staff
well
I'm,
just
being
transparent.
We
are
not
doing
preventative
maintenance
as
we
should
and
it
is.
It
is
common
practice
for
us
to
know
it
is
cheaper
for
us
to
be
proactive
than
reactive.
We've
made
that
case
to
you
multiple
times,
using
different
examples
such
as
douglas
street
and
others,
but
we've
tried
to
lay
that
case
out.
I
think,
as
a
council
you're
firmly
understanding
of
that.
A
But
let's
talk
about
other
issues,
we
talked
about
with
sanitary
sewer.
We
really
have
to
inspect
and
continue
to
expand
our
lining
program.
We
only
have
13
percent
of
our
sanitary
sewers,
televised
and
rated
a
community
of
our
size
with
the
age
of
sewer
that
we
have.
That
is
just
that
is
very
difficult,
unacceptable
really
for
myself
and
I
think
about
the
importance
of
stewardship.
That
is
not
to
the
level
that
we
like
with
our
stormwater.
We
have.
A
We
have
issues
all
the
time
with
our
sump
pump
drain
line
program,
there's
11
different
places
in
town.
I
mercer
was
one
where
there
was
on
the
front
page
of
the
paper
that
there's
water
issues,
and
we
said
yes,
there's,
there's
very
much
a
need
for
a
sump
pump
drain
line.
There's
been
nothing
the
happened
since
that
front
page
story.
We
as
a
staff
acknowledged.
Yes,
there's
absolutely
need
there,
but
we
have
no
funds
to
be
able
to
address
it.
We
have
other
areas
through
town
drainage
ways
that
have
a
significant
erosion.
A
We
have
73
public
detention
basins
that
have
no
maintenance
that
we're
doing
on
a
regular
basis
and
those
are
not
going
to
get
better.
That
only
gets
worse
when
you
don't
do
that.
There's
staffing
that
happens
as
part
of
this.
The
master
plan
addresses
that.
So
we
have
a
five-year
plan
to
be
able
to
ramp
that
up.
It's
not
just
an
in-house
staff.
We
also
have
a
hybrid,
a
comparable
outsourcing,
an
insourcing
type
of
thing.
A
Whenever
you
ramp
up
this
much
project,
you
have
to
be
able
to
address
what
kind
of
staffing
needs
are
there
as
well,
so
how?
What
kind
of
rate
increases
are
we
looking
at
there's
a
couple
different
ways
that
we
could
try
to
deal
with
these
issues?
What
we
tried
to
do
as
a
staff
and
city
manager
was,
was
very
supportive
of
this.
We
said:
how
do
we
over
a
20-year
period
be
able
to
show
that
the
rate
increases
that
will
happen
we'll
deal
with
the
20
year
master
plan
that
the
council
approved,
so
we
actually?
A
That
was
the
goal
that
we
had
in
mind
and
again,
as
the
city
manager
pointed
out
a
lot
of
credit
to
our
finance
department.
We
really
appreciate
Patti
Lin
and
her
staff.
We're
really.
We
ran
a
lot
of
different
scenarios,
and
so
it
is
a
team
effort
and
we're
really
thankful
for
the
partnership.
What
we
try
to
do
is
we
said,
let's
what
would
be
a
reasonable
over
five
years,
ramp
up
the
costs
on
on
a
monthly
basis,
so
fees
every
year.
A
You
did
an
eleven
point:
six
percent
increase
for
five
years
and
then,
after
that,
three
percent
ongoing
for
our
sanitary
sewer,
that's
a
very,
very
simple
number
for
us
to
be
able
to
get
our
hands
around
eleven
point:
six
percent
a
year.
What
that
would
do
is
over
a
20
year
period.
That
would
generate
the
amount
needed
for
us
to
be
able
to
fund
the
master
plan.
So
you
can
see
the
another
way
to
look
at
that
is
over
the
five
year
period.
A
That's
a
seventy
three
percent
increase
from
the
from
now
five
years
later,
so
it's
not
doubling
one
of
the
things
we
talked
about
before
was,
and
the
city
manager
even
suggested
it.
If
we
need
to
double
it,
we
have
we
need
to
double
it,
but
what
we're
suggesting
is
is
that
we're
actually
able
to
be
under
that,
and
so
I
know
that
the
town
of
normal
actually
had
some
aggressive
rate
increases
where
they
were
looking
to
double.
A
Where
they're
at
for
us
we're
trying
to
say
we
we
have
to
get
to
a
point
where
we
can
have
a
sustainable
program.
One
downside
with
this
program
I
do
want
to
point
out.
This
doesn't
generate
the
money
where
next
year
we're
able
to
address
all
the
issues.
I
don't
want
to
over
promise
and
under
deliver.
This
is
a
ramp
up
period
for
us,
so
you
won't
see
the
same
improvements
for
you
know
really.
A
Possibly
is
financing
to
deal
with
what
we
have
from
a
from
a
at
that
standpoint,
but
really
the
goal
of
this
program
is
to
be
kind
of
a
cash
for
capital.
That's
a
term
I
really
like
patty
that
ship
Adeline
Silva
came
up
with
this
is
intended
to
be
a
a
cash
for
capital
type
of
program.
We
should
be
able
to
use
this
and
pay
for
the
projects
as
they
come
up,
but
we
just
have
to
be
patient
if
we
won't
be
able
to
address
it
in
your
one.
A
When
we
look
at
how
this
affects
our
typical
customers
with
stormwater
rates,
it's
an
eight
twenty
eight
point,
two
percent
increase
over
the
next
five
years
and
then
three
percent
ongoing,
and
so
again
this
is
a
forty
eight
percent
increase
over
a
five
year
period,
and
so
again
our
goal
is
the
staff
is
to
try
to
find
a
way
to.
You
know
not
have
a
huge
jump
in
price
right
away.
Allow
people
to
work
into
it
over
a
multi-year
period,
but
again
we
then
you
balance
that
with
the
ability
to
get
projects
done
quickly.
F
A
Yes,
we
are
this.
What
we're
providing
to
you
right
now
allows
for
us
to
have
a
sustainable
infrastructure
for
sewers,
but
what
I
will
say
is
that
five
to
eight
year
time
frame
is
when
you'll
start
really
seeing
that
you
know
you
start
seeing
the
scales
tip.
It
won't
be
your
one
that
you
see
everything
get
fixed.
Okay,.
G
B
G
A
I'll
be
honest,
it's
really
more
of
a
political
decision.
It
really
is
a
governance
decision
by
our
Council
of
how
do
you?
How
do
you?
How
do
we
quickly
do
we
want
to
see
these
results?
One
is
more
palatable
for
citizens
they
get
to
see.
You
know
change
allow
themselves
to
budget
over
time,
but
then
the
downside
is
there's
a
lot
of
need
out
there.
Right
now
will
say,
and
so
we
will
not
be
able
we'll
still
be
fighting,
but
you
know
behind
the
eight-ball
for
a
few
years,
so.
A
If
the
council,
that's
the
desire
that
we
have
the
majority
of
council
supportive
of
that,
we
would
work
with
finance
to
be
able
to
do
more
of
a
quick
one
or
two
year
type
ramp
up
to
that
level
and
then
again
back
off
at
that
point
and
just
have
the
ongoing
maintenance
and
be
sustainable.
So
that's
the
kind
of
direction
that
we're
really
looking
for
tonight.
Thank.
E
You
if
I
can
just
add
to
that
as
long
as
you
know,
we
have
the
revenue
projection,
showing
the
revenue
increasing.
We
can
borrow
money
upfront
and
then
we
could
use
that
stepped-up
approach
to
pay
off
those
bonds
in
accordance
with
maybe
the
availability
revenues.
So
yes,
it
it
doesn't
preclude,
borrowing
and
and
having
that
a
modified
debt
service
schedule
to
correspond
with
these,
this
increase
over
the
five
six
years.
B
H
Been
thinking
along
the
same
lines
as
alderman
Bray,
you
know
I'm
wondering
in
20
years
I'm
just
concerned
that
we'll
never
get
it
done.
If
we're
looking
at
twenty
years
out,
we
are
so
far
behind
now
that
something
really
drastic
needs
to
be
done
and
I'm.
Thinking
that
you
know,
maybe
people
would
have
a
better
taste
for
saying
look.
You
know
this
has
to
be
paid
for
and
raised
the
fees
over
a
three-year
period
to
pay
for
it.
H
A
With
the
sewer
rates
potato
specifically
because
that's
where
it
is
water
consumption
driven
that
actually
does
we
never
we
looked
at
raft
tell
us
they
did.
The
sewer
rate
study
for
the
city
they
build
into
their
model
is
actually
a
very
complicated
Excel
spreadsheet
that
dealt
with
even
water
consumption.
In
some
of
the
the
the
practices,
it
was
a
pretty
extensive,
spreadsheet,
very
impressive.
Okay.
I
And,
and
does
this
also
take
into
account
kind
of
a
reserved
type
of
system
so
that
we
have
money
along
the
way?
Just
in
case
we
had,
you
know
emergencies,
and
you
know
just
like
all
of
the
math
he
was
saying
you
know
regular
maintenance
so
that
we're
not
always
operating
in
crisis
mode.
That's
that's
what
I
find
a
little
bit
annoying!
You
know
that
we
totally
yeah.
A
It
does
not
indeed,
and
the
reason
for
it
is
because
of
the
slow
ramp
up
there,
there's
not
a
lot
of
funds
that
are
able
to
be
put
aside
we're
really
in
years,
one
through
five.
We
are
using
every
dollar
that
we
get
to
be
able
to
try
to
deal
with
still
that
reactive
mode
to
try
to
get
ahead
just
to
get
to
where
you're
kind
of
getting
to
the
point.
We
want
to
be
proactive
about
year,
eight
we'd
like
to
start
between
years
five
and
eight.
A
B
J
A
J
Needed
to
be
done,
then,
because
our
need
is
so
large
and
so
imminent
and
and
so
two
of
the
other
concepts
you've
talked
about,
and
others
now
have
to
really
appeal
to
me.
Number
one
is:
is
reactive
and
enjoy
proactiveness
that
are
reactive
and
the
longer
we
phase
this
in
the
longer
we
are
reactive
instead
of
proactive,
and
we
know
that
will
cost
us
more
money.
In
the
long
run,
we
will
get
less
for
our
money.
J
The
other
is
this
idea
of
cash
for
capital
I,
like
that
I
like
that
phrase,
because
borrowing
money
has
an
expense
associated
with
it.
I
would
like
to
avoid
that
when
we
can
I
mean,
obviously
we
can't
always-
and
we
can
leverage
that
to
great
benefit
to
the
community,
but
I
think
that
in
terms
of
getting
this
done
more
quickly
and
and
with
being
you
know,
more
cash
for
capital
and
more
proactive
instead
of
reactive
I
would
very
much
support
that.
If.
A
We
were
able
to
do
a
two
or
three
year
ramp
up
that
really
would
allow
for
for
staff
to
be
able
to
do
more
of
that
cash
for
capital
type
program,
and
we
would
then
the
quicker
on
instead
of
the
eight-year
timeframe
that
really
would
bump
us
being
more
proactive
on.
You
know
the
year,
for
you
know
a
year
four
types,
and
that
really
would
make
a
big
difference,
but
it
really
would
ramp
things
up
quicker,
Ottoman.
D
But
if
we
were
to
stretch
it
out
to
say
eight
eight
years
in
order
to
have
the
smaller
percentage
increase
for
for
for
people
who
really
do
live
almost
for
a
month
a
month,
are
we
still
then
able
to
to
to
borrow
that
that
money,
upfront
recognizing
that
we'd
have
interest
charges
and
stuff?
But
you
know
in
in
effect
kind
of
get
the
maybe
some
part
of
the
best
of
both
worlds,
with
smaller
monthly
increases
for
for
our
residents,
but
also
have
access
to
that
to
that
money
to
to
perhaps
get
a
jumpstart
in
ears.
E
Yes,
and
let
me
have
patty
come
up
but
just
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
city
can
always
structure
how
it's
going
to
repay
that
debt
and
in
doing
that
structure,
it
can
say:
okay
for
the
first
five
or
six
years,
we're
gonna
start
out
with
smaller
repayments,
annual
repayments,
and
maybe
it's
more
interest
upfront
and
then
later
on.
We
start
increasing
the
principal.
So
there's
a
lot
of
adjustments
or
modifications
we
can
make
on
the
annual
debt
service,
especially
in
the
beginning.
E
E
You
got
to
keep
in
mind,
there
is
trade-offs.
You
know
you
do
add
to
the
interest
chorus
when
you
begin
to
do
that.
That's
why
you
don't
want
to
string
it
out
any
longer
than
you
have
to,
but
you
know
for
the
first
five
years,
especially
if
we're
I
think
for
these
types
of
long
term
assets
what
it
could
reasonably
be
a
20-year
repayment
term
25
even
30
years
easily.
K
E
K
K
That
is
the
benefit
to
kind
of
to
to
your
point
cameras,
you
know
when
you
phase
in
it's
a
softer
on
the
residence,
but
at
the
same
time
it
allows
you
to
look
at
your
finances
every
year,
you'll
budget
for
this
fun
like
we
do
and
those
discussions
can
happen
hey
this
is
the
amount
of
revenue
we're
projecting
this
year.
Would
we
like
it?
We
have
a
big
project
coming
up.
Do
we
want
to
save
for
that?
Do
we
want
to
issue
some
debt?
You
know.
How
do
we
want
to
do
that?
K
So
the
Faceman
approach
does
at
least
give
you
that
year-to-year
opportunity,
because
the
further
you
go
out,
although
these
are
very,
very,
very
good
numbers,
the
further
you
go
out,
the
softer
things
can
get,
and
you
know
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
in
terms
of
the
20
year
plan
and
some
major
catastrophic
thing
happening,
but
but
I
would
say
that
you
know
you
can
just
it
allows
you
be
creative
either
way.
Cash
for
capital
is
a
wonderful
thing.
K
E
Next
week,
when
we
talk
about
a
limited
potential
bond
for
street
resurfacing,
one
of
the
recommendations
we're
going
to
throw
out
is
that,
if
something
like
that
is
pursued,
something
like
a
20
million
dollar
street
resurfacing
bond,
we
would
also
one
option
is
to
have
the
general
tax
revenue
of
the
city
help
to
pay
off
the
debt
service
for
the
underground
utility
portion.
So
I.
E
We
just
need
to
always
kind
of
keep
in
mind
the
bulk
of
the
revenue
in
whether
it
be
the
water
fund,
sanitary
sewer,
sewer,
stormwater
really
should
be
paid
back
or
paid
for
by
those
fees,
but
keep
in
mind
that
we
only
started
some
of
these
fees.
You
know
like
stormwater
not
that
long
ago
and
what
happened
before
then
general
tax
revenue
was
making
those
payments.
So
that's
still
one
of
those
options.
E
You
know
if
I
could
just
one
other
thing
patty
if
I'm
looking
at
this
information
I
think
it's
helpful,
because
this
will
be
a
question
that
I
think
people
will
bring
up
I'm
looking
at
the
sanitary
sewer
numbers
and
when
we
add
the
consumption
fee
and
fix
fee,
currently
we're
bringing
in
approximately
four
point,
seven
million
dollars
GM.
If
I'm
right
in
in
in
sanitary
sewer,
fee
revenue,
one
of
the
questions
is
going
to
be
asked
well,
okay,
how
are
we
spending
that
four
point?
E
Seven
million
dollars
today,
the
the
bulk
of
that
is,
you
know
really
going
to
pay
for
maintenance
costs,
the
day-to-day
maintenance
it.
Unfortunately,
over
time,
some
of
those
maintenance
costs
have
continued
to
grow,
leaving
less
apportion
or
that
can
really
go
for
capital
costs
now
over
time.
What
we
want
to
continue
to
do
is
always
make
sure
we're
very
open,
transparent
with
the
public,
so
we
can
show
that
for
the
total
revenue
and
as
it
grows
from
4.7
to
8.1
million,
what's
the
percentage
and
the
dollar
amount
going,
the
maintenance?
E
What's
the
percentage
in
dollar
amount
going
to
capital?
That's
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
keep
stressing
you
know:
we've
got
to
come
up
with
a
source
of
new
revenue
to
fund
these
capital.
Improvements
stormwater,
as
I
saw
I.
Think
that
annual
number
today
is
what
2.8
million
do
I
have
that
right?
You
know
and
that's
not
a
lot
of
money,
but
keep
in
mind
it
wasn't
that
long
ago,
even
when
the
fee
was
put
in
there,
we
didn't
have
a
stormwater
master
plan.
E
We
couldn't
even
say
you
know
what
the
true
needs
were
in
the
stormwater.
Now,
unfortunately,
with
a
master
plan,
we've
identified
quite
a
lot
so,
but
as
that
grows
to
4.1
we'll
want
in
our
aggressive,
robust
communication
plan
to
our
ratepayers
continue
to
share
with
them.
How
are
we
using
that
increase?
What
progress
are
we
making
on
a
year-to-year
basis?
You
know
how
are
we
are
we
getting
closer
to
those
old
iment
targets
you
know
of
having
you
know?
A
E
But
I'll
stop
at
that,
but
I.
Those
are
some
additional
things.
We
haven't
mentioned
that
communication
plan,
but
that
is
so
critical
that
the
ratepayers
understand
why
we
can't
live
within
the
means.
Now,
then,
how
is
this
going
to
affect
each
year
the
progress
we're
making
for
these
long-term
targets
and
goals.
A
A
A
Of
the
aspects
that
the
master
plan
addresses
is
over
a
twenty
year
period,
they
actually
recommend
9.5
staff,
9.75,
actually
staff
to
be
added
to
allow
for
the
ability
to
be
able
to
maintain
and
also
manage
the
contracts
to
manage
the
work.
That's
done.
Do
the
inspection,
because,
right
now,
whenever
there
is
no
inspection
being
they,
let
me
give
you
the
example
of
of
the
detention
basins.
A
You
know
whenever
we
go
back
now
to
the
specific
you
know,
people
that
would
be
brought
on
whenever
you
look
at
the
the
first
year,
for
example,
let's
talk
about
fiscal
year
19,
so
if
the
rates
were
were
increased
as
being
currently
requested,
we
would
have
an
engineering
technician
to
be
able
to
do
the
improper
inspections
to
be
the
detention
basins,
to
be
able
to
deal
with
the
sump
pump
drain
lines.
You'd
have
the
civil
engineer
that
could
manage
the
contracts
for
the
lining.
A
There's
a
lot
of
the
staff
that
deals
with
the
ramp
up
as
we
ramp
up
capital
to
have
the
ability
to
have
staff
that
can
maintain
that
from
a
streets
and
sewers
perspective,
we
actually
have
a
need
for
a
crew,
a
dedicated
crew
to
be
able
to
just
do
maintenance
on
our
basins.
Out
of
those
73.
We
need
the
ability
to
inspect
and
do
the
work
out
on
those
basins,
and
so
that's
what
we're
looking
for.
So.
B
A
A
The
city
has
a
hybrid
type
system.
We
do
some
work
internally
with
our
own
employees
and
then
we
also
out
or
some
of
that
work
as
well,
and
so
there
always
will
be
a
balance.
Every
community
has
that,
but
what
we
are
looking
at
is
trying
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
to
be
able
to
just
maintain
even
some
of
that
internal
work,
that
we
have
Thank.
B
G
A
With
the
minimum
charge,
what
you
have
is,
let's
say
with
the
sanitary
sewer,
there
is
a
consumption
charge
and
then
there
are
also
is
a
charge
that
no
matter
whether
you
have
a
zero
use
or
not,
there's
also
a
you
know:
administration
costs
and
the
ability
to
just
have
the
system
for
pigs
feet.
Yeah
is
the
term
you're
correct,
that's
correct!
So
yes,
that's
what
that's
there
for.
F
I
got
a
couple
questions
today,
referring
to
in
the
packet
there's
a
line
here
says:
property
owners
who
make
certain
stormwater
accommodations
can
qualify
for
credits
at
the
50%.
Yes,
I
got
multiple
people
saying
we'll
ask
him
for
details
on
that.
Is
that
something
you
could
just
email
out
to
us?
That's.
E
A
For
example,
like
Oakwood
subdivision,
with
the
PUD
to
where
they
have
a
private
detention
basin,
that
accommodates
us
like
detention,
so
that
what
they
do
is
they're
able
to
have
privately
maintained
and
owned
detention.
If
it
qualifies,
they
can
reduce
the
stormwater
fees
for
the
residents
up
to
a
certain
amount,
and
we
have
all
those
formulas
out
there.
L
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
Jim
this
one
I'm
struggling
with
and
I'm
just
reflecting
on
being
up
here
for
the
last
few
years
and
and
the
times
that
we've
reviewed
the
revenue
and
made
appropriate
adjustments
that
we
saw
fit
at
the
time
and
and
we're
not
talking
on
a
lot
of
money
here,
we're
talking
a
small
monthly
increase.
L
Many
folks
won't
notice
that,
but
I
can't
help,
but
but
think
about
some
of
the
homes
in
West
Bloomington,
in
whose
water
bill
is
higher
than
the
value
of
their
property
tax
for
the
city-
and
this
is
one
of
those
existence-
taxes
that
that
we
have
to
grapple
with.
You
know
I
always
like
to.
When
we
talk
about
revenue
adjustments,
we
like
to
focus
on
things
that
people
can
have
some
measure
of
control
over
and.
L
It's
very
tough
for
me
to
swallow
this
one,
because
this
is
going
to
people
are
going
to
feel
this
one,
at
least
in
its
dark
moods,
and
that
I
can
see,
and
is
it
truly
fair
for
the
entire
community
to
absorb
some
of
these
costs
through
these
types
of
fees,
as
opposed
to
say
some
things
that
I'm
are
proportional
to
to
income
and
and
and
those
sorts
of
things
so
I
guess
when
we
talked
about
some
of
the
road.
My
question
is
this:
well
I
mean
we
talked
about
the
road
bond.
L
A
couple
years
ago
we
looked
at
the
economic
impact
that
comes
along
with
you
know,
redoing
streets,
making
them
more
accessible,
etc.
I
was
looking
at
the
material
here.
I
didn't
see
a
whole
lot
of
conversation
about
the
economic
impact,
the
benefits
of
redoing
sewers,
and
is
there
a
way
to
quantify
that
that
we
can
point
to
that
says
if
we
put
X
amount
of
dollars
in
more,
it's
going
to
generate
Y
amount
of
X,
plus
50%
X,
plus
10%,
whatever
that
number
might
be
over
time
very.
A
Briefly,
with
economic
development
period,
you
can
talk
about
what
increases
it,
but
I
can
tell
you
what
decreases
it
and
a
non-functioning
sewer
is
is
one
of
those
you
know.
Basic
things
will
be
an
economic
killer
yeah,
and
so
you
know
you,
you
have
to
deal
with
the
basic
services
for
every
property
and
that's
really
where
we're
at
as
a
community.
A
Since
the
1800s
we
have
sewers
that
have
just
are
just
dying
out
there
that
we
have
to
maintain
and
in
our
older
parts
of
the
community,
especially
there's
a
there's,
a
real
cry
out
of
cave-ins
and
issues
where
people
have
backups
that
we
really
have
a
need,
and
so
it's
just
a
matter
of
how
do
we
deal
with
that?
Absolutely.
L
And
and
you're
right
and
one
can't
miss
mentioning
wildcat
sewers
which
continue
to
be
plagued
historic,
neighborhood
and
so
that
the
list
of
challenges
is
long,
but
we'll
have
to
find
a
way
to
make
that
work
and
I
just
I'm
gonna
do
some
reflecting
on
this
one,
because
this
is.
This
is
a
little
different
than
the
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
and
and
and
how
we
go
about
funding
I.
A
B
E
We
could
do
that
and
again
I.
Think
one
simple
question
is:
would
you
like
more
time
just
for
general
discussion
of
this
topic
before
voting
or
sooner
or
later,
I
think
the
best
way
to
get
a
majority
direction
is
going
to
be
to
vote
on
one
or
other,
and
that's
why
I
was
thinking
that
at
least
in
two
weeks
we
can
bring
that
you
know
that
this
ordinance
forward,
we
could
have
some
other
options
but
and
and
again
that
another
topic
might
be
well.
Maybe
it
now's
not
the
time
I,
don't.
E
That's
not
the
case,
but
you
know
we
are
taking
this
because
somewhat
separate
and
apart
from
the
annual
operating
budget,
but
if,
if
we
were
to
ask
you
to
approve
the
five-year
CIP
today,
you're
gonna
have
a
bare-bones,
hardly
minimal
sanitary
sewer
and
stormwater,
and
that's
what
I'm
assuming
the
council
doesn't
want
to
do.
But
you
know
still
you
have
indicates
you
want
to
vote
on
and
get
approved
a
five-year
CIP
this
year.
In
fact,
I
think
we're
maybe
six
months
behind
what
what
you
would
hope
for
last
fall.
We're.
D
I
was
just
gonna,
say:
I
didn't
I
I
didn't
hear
overwhelming
support
for
anything
past
five
years
as
I
suggested.
So
without
that
I
would
say,
I
would
help
Donald
out
in
the
rest
of
time
and
looking
at
something
beyond
five,
because
I
I
will
probably
not
be
able
to
sort
it
support
anything.
You
know
unless
it's
beyond
five
years,
but
but
again,
I
didn't
hear
support
for
that.
So
I
would
concentrate
on
the
five
year
and
then,
whatever
ramped
up
character.
Oh
I.