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November 19, 2018 - Committee of the Whole City Council Meeting
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A
B
B
A
C
I'm
art,
Taylor
I'm,
currently
serving
as
the
chairman
of
the
public
service
of
public
safety,
Community
Relations,
Board
or
the
PFC
Arbeit
and
I,
am
the
chair
of
that
of
that
group.
In
our
recent
meeting
last
tooth
last
Wednesday,
we
received
a
demonstration
of
the
acción
body,
worn
cameras
that
the
police,
the
Bloomington
Police
Department,
will
be
presenting
to
you
very
shortly
for
approval
and
the
expenditures
thereof.
C
Our
demonstration
that
was
presented
by
chief
bass
demonstrated
to
us
the
benefit
of
having
the
body
worn
cameras
for
all
policemen
in
one
to
help
protect
themselves,
but
also
to
protect
those
the
citizens
that
would
be
in
in
contact
with
the
police.
Therefore,
allowing
a
clean
demonstration
of
a
what
occurred
in
in
the
stop
or
the
event
or
to
any
help
prevent
any
of
any
complaint
that
could
come
forward
by
such
stop
or
such
interaction.
C
A
D
Good
evening,
I'm
Serena
fish
I
like
coming
up
here
and
being
positive
and
tonight
I,
could
do
that
on
two
issues.
One
I'm
part
of
the
graduating
class
of
Bloomington
101
fall.
2018.
Trust
me.
If
anybody
in
this
city
has
a
problem
with
the
way
things
are
run,
they
should
take
this
class.
If
anybody
in
the
city
wants
to
know
how
things
are
run,
they
should
take
this
class
if
anyone
in
this
city
is
interested
on
being
on
a
board
on
a
commission
or
thinking
about
running
for
something
should
take.
D
This
class
I
really
commend
you
and
the
young
lady
Nora
duckwitz,
who
came
up
with
the
idea
and
heads
this
class
unbelievably
well
done.
The
other
thing
is
I.
Just
would
like
to
echo
what
mr.
Taylor
said.
Our
board
was
110
percent
behind
this
and
I.
Hopefully,
all
will
do
going
forward
is
making
everything
which
we
stand
for
transparent
and
neutral.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You,
okay,
we
move
right
along
to
a
presentation
of
certificates
to
the
Bloomington,
speaking
of
101
fall
2018
class
and
if
you'll
please
come
up
as
I
read
your
name.
I
would
appreciate
it
and
as
we
before
we
do,
this
I
would
like
to
have
special
thanks
again
to
our
staff
and
particularly
Nora
dukkha
wits
for
making
all
this
happen.
A
This
is
obviously
part
of
our
attempt
to
try
to
make
Bloomington
as
open
as
possible
and
open
governments,
as
people
can
see
what's
going
on,
but
Nora
has
really
taken
this
to
heart,
the
highest
level
and
I
think
we
should
all
be
proud
of
her.
But
at
this
point
again,
if
you'd
come
forward,
I
apologize
if
I
butcher,
your
name,
please
correct
me
dan
bird
Stan
Berg
here.
A
A
A
A
A
A
F
A
Is
there
a
second
to
that
motion?
Okay,
if
everyone
will
go
ahead
and
vote,
then
there's
questions
comments:
okay,
okay,
the
motion
carries
and
there
are
no
needs
to
announce.
Madam
clerk,
we
move
right
along
here
to
presentation
and
discussion
of
the
police
department
regarding
acts
and
body,
worn
cameras
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
this
over
to
our
city
manager
and
our
distinguished
police
chief.
Thank.
G
You
Mary
council,
what
we're
going
to
do
is
show
a
video
we're.
Actually,
a
assistant
chief
Bayes
is
going
to
be
making
this
presentation,
and
then
we've
got
chief
wheeler,
an
assistant
chief
Donath
at
the
tail
into
this.
This
has
been
we
I'm
sorry,
two
years
in
the
making,
we're
an
initial
product
was
being
tested
by
the
department,
but
assistant
chief,
Bayes,
persisted
and
I
believe
has
found
the
best
product
out
there
I
think
the
use
and
the
need
for
body
worn
cameras
is
pretty
much
a
given
in
today's
times,
exactly
like
mr.
G
G
This
presentation,
it's
about
eight
ten
minutes
and
then
we'll
head
turn
this
back
over
to
a
chief,
we
learn
assistant
chief
donut
I
will
also
share
with
you
that
some
of
the
quality
concerns
and
it's
not
bad,
but
the
quality
concerns
the
crispness
on
the
audio
and
video
is
because
of
what
we're
playing
it
through.
Here
in
the
council,
chambers
versus
the
quality
of
the
body,
worn
camera
itself
go
ahead.
Scott,
if
you
would
kick
it
off,
I.
H
Couldn't
be
with
you
tonight,
so
we
decided
to
put
together
a
little
video
demonstrating
the
axon
to
body
cameras,
hope
you
find
it
interesting
and
good
product
all
right.
Good
demonstration
of
the
camera
would
be
seen
from
the
perspective
of
the
camera,
while
officers
wear
we've
been
exploring
this
for
some
time
now
and
we're
confident
in
the
product
selection
for
the
excellent
rottingham.
H
Not
surprisingly,
according
to
the
final
report
of
the
president's
Task
Force
on
21st
century
policing,
they
determined
there
are
many
things
that
police
agencies
across
the
country
can
do
to
improve
relationships
with
the
citizens
they
serve.
They
divided
their
report
into
six
pillars:
body,
worn
cameras,
addressed
pillars,
one
and
pillars
three
in
some
way.
Building
trust
and
legitimacy
is
very
important
to
be
effective
in
the
community
and
the
appropriate
uses.
So
technology
and
social
media
can
have
huge
positive
impacts
to
that
goal.
H
Body
worn
cameras
also
put
an
independent
witness
at
every
contact.
The
moment
Police
Department
has
been
working
hard
at
this
for
the
last
two
years.
Seeking
the
right
system,
counsel
and
citizens
have
been
supportive
in
budget
approvals,
beginning
an
FY,
17
and
I'm
happy
to
announce
that
I've
identified
a
source
of
100
body,
worn
cameras
and
37
in-car
systems
for
far
less
than
the
reduced
amount
of
370
K.
In
this
pierce
current
budget,
we
learned
a
lot
from
this
pilot.
The
biggest
lesson
we
learned
was
the
overhead
created
by
body,
worn
cameras.
H
Basically,
it's
grating
in
evidence
that
every
call
an
officer
goes
to.
We
had
to
change
the
way
we
do
business
and
better
manage
our
workflow.
We
also
had
to
plan
for
an
increase
in
Freedom
of
Information
request
for
body-worn
camera
video
and
make
sure
that
we
fill
them
in
compliance
with
the
special
laws
as
they
pertain
to
body
worn
camera
video.
H
We
began
our
program,
testing
body,
worn
camera
system
that
didn't
meet
our
needs.
Battery
life
was
very
poor
and
there
were
no
real
tools.
Ramanan
evidence
in
addition
to
multiple
malfunctions,
putting
on
a
body
worn
camera
is
easiest
part
of
the
whole
thing.
It's
what
you
have
to
do
at
the
end,
that
makes
everything
so
much
harder.
H
I'll
tell
you
that
the
tools
I'm
proposing
or
helped
us
accomplish
those
goals
and
mitigate
some
of
the
challenges
experienced
with
any
body
worn
camera
program
in
the
center
of
the
screen.
You
see
the
axon
body,
worn
camera
on
the
left.
You
see
the
docking
station
where
officers
they're
cameras
at
the
end
of
their
shift
to
offload
the
video
into
the
cloud
and
on
the
right
is
a
communication
device,
a
cell
phone
that
has
acts
on
apps
that
are
unique
and
very
helpful
in
managing
video
and
other
tools
out
in
the
field.
H
The
axon
capture
app
also
has
a
component
known
as
axon,
citizen
and
axon
community.
With
these,
we
can
actually
have
citizens
send
us
direct
to
us
via
secure
link
that
we
send
to
them
from
the
field
using
the
iPods
any
digital
evidence
they
may
have.
This
is
a
very
much
time
saver
when
it
comes
to
businesses
who
don't
have
the
personnel
on
hand
with
the
knowledge
of
how
to
offload
video,
it
saves
us
for
making
multiple
trips
back
to
the
business,
to
get
digital
evidence
on
a
thumb,
drive
or
a
cd-rom.
H
Anything
obtained
through
these
apps
or
on
the
cameras
and
the
car
systems
are
unlimited
storage
in
the
cloud,
with
no
additional
costs.
Now
I'd
like
to
give
you
a
brief
overview
of
acts
on
fleet,
it's
the
mobile
video
solution
by
axon
for
squad
cars
as
a
runt
facing
camera
and
one
space
to
the
rear.
It's
very
simple
to
use.
It
replaces
an
additional
piece
of
equipment.
The
mic
pack
that
offers
current
way
will
be
replaced
with
the
body
worn
camera
because
they
speak
to
each
other
in
the
call.
H
H
Why
in-car
video
with
axon
well,
first
off
the
timings
right?
Our
current
system
has
reached
its
technical
lifespan,
is
due
for
upgrade
or
replacement
at
great
cost.
Additionally,
it's
not
been
covered
by
a
service
contract
since
March
of
2017,
the
in-car
system
provided
by
axon
has
numerous
management
tools.
That'll
free
up
officers
put
them
on
the
street
and
it
communicates
directly
proprietarily
with
the
body
worn
cameras.
H
H
H
What's
been,
the
impact
of
the
acts
on
body,
worn
cameras
at
Bloomington,
Police,
Department,
well,
axon
afforded
us
the
opportunity
and
no
cost
to
fully
deploy
body,
worn
cameras
or
patrol
officers
from
that
for
the
last
five
months,
I've
had
an
opportunity
to
review
numerous
videos
recorded
in
the
field
by
officers
and
I
feel
I
can
say
that
the
public
is
accepting
of
the
technology
based
on
the
interactions.
I
observe
the
acceptance
level
amongst
officers
is
constantly
growing
and
we've
been
working
together
to
improve
workflow
to
decrease
time
spent
managing
Lebanon
sand.
H
H
How
much
is
this
going
to
cost?
Well,
I'd
be
remiss
if
I,
let
it
go
at
thinking,
we're
just
going
to
get
a
hundred
body,
worn
cameras
and
37
in-car
systems
disagreements
over
five
years
and
during
the
course
of
the
five
years
there's
built
in
replacement
for
the
latest
and
greatest
technology
new
cameras
day.
One
month
30
and
month,
safety
for
the
body
warns
and
new
cameras
at
day,
one
and
month
64
the
in-car
systems,
like
I,
said
it's.
A
fixed
pricing
five-year
agreement
paid
on
yearly.
H
The
first
year
will
be
74
Oh
79,
but
that
includes
the
$30,000
in
one-time
purchase
equipment
that
we
need
years.
Two
through
five
will
be
the
same
cost
each
year
at
144,000
876.
In
the
event
we
add
more
officers,
this
plan
would
be
it
would
be
scalable
based
on
the
number
of
officers
needing
cameras.
The
axon
system
saves
lots
of
time,
I
calculated
that
it
actually
saves
about
4,000
hours
annually
or
20,000
hours
over
the
five
years
compared
to
our
current
systems
is
my
hope.
H
I
hope
the
presentation
was
informative.
I'm
currently
standing
here
in
front
of
the
bank
of
charging
docks
and
offloading
docks
that
our
officers
used
to
be
another
ship
that
are
referenced
during
the
presentation.
If
you
have
any
questions
that
remain
I
apologize
again,
I
was
I
will
be
here
tonight.
An
assistant,
Chief,
Dan,
donut
who's
been
involved
in
the
entire
project
from
the
beginning
is
here
to
field
any
questions
you.
I
Like
the
presentation
said
most
of
it,
but
Bloomington
Police
Department,
as
you
know,
is
committed
to
providing
citizens
of
our
community
with
outstanding
service
body.
Cameras
are
proving
to
be
an
essential
tool.
Preserving
evidence
of
crucial
events
and
equipment
also
helps
ensure
the
trust
given
to
us
by
the
community
is
earned.
Our
staff
include
an
AC
base,
AC
donuts,
sergeant,
Arnold
and
others
have
worked
to
ensure
our
use
of
body.
Cameras
is
dependable
and
manageable,
as
possible
and
assistant
chief
don't
appear
to
answer
any
questions.
A
E
J
Though,
thank
you
for
all
of
the
work
on
this
and
pestle
on
day,
chief
BAE's
on
this.
You
know
we've
been
talking
about
this
for
a
long
time,
and
this
is
the
diligence
that
staff
brings
to
the
table
that
that's
analytical.
It's
got
measurable
results
and
we're
altima
talena
saving
money,
but
when
you
look
at
it
and
21st
century
after
new
body
cameras-
and
this
is
a
smart
investment
for
our
citizens,
just
thank
you
very
much.
You
appreciate
your
time.
Thanks.
A
And,
and
also
obviously,
for
our
you
know,
for
the
citizens
for
officers
for
everyone,
I
think
it
was
dan
Rather
who
once
said
the
camera,
doesn't
blink
right.
So
anything
else,
all
right.
We'll
move
right
along
to
our
presentation
and
discussion
of
several
proposed
insurance
programs
for
private
residential
water
and
sewer
leak,
protection,
water
service
line
protection
and
sewer,
lateral
protection
and
I'm.
Going
to
turn
this
over
to
our
city
manager,
Thank.
G
You
mayor
council,
public
works
director,
Jim
karch
is
going
to
present
this
evening
on
August
27th
of
this
year
we
presented
to
Council
some
ideas,
some
opportunities,
some
options
regarding
sewer
and
water
line
protection
leak
protection,
and
there
was
a
handful
of
questions
and
comments
from
Council
that
we
needed
to
get
answers
to,
and
tonight
is
the
follow-up
and
we
as
staff
look-
and
it
may
not
be
tonight,
but
we
look
for
some
sort
of
direction
out
of
Council.
You
know:
choose
this
option,
no
option
a
combination,
but
look
for
some
sort
of
direction.
Jim.
K
Thank
you,
city
manager,
Gleeson.
It
was
my
hope
that
maybe
I
could
do
this
presentation
via
sewer
television
and
maybe
I
could
get
the
same
kind
of
no
questions.
I
didn't
think
that
was
possible.
So
you
get
me
so
again,
as
city
manager
pointed
out,
this
is
a
continuation
of
an
August
27
presentation
that
we
gave,
and
so
what
is
a
serve
line?
Why
are
we
bringing
this
to
you
we'll
talk
about
this
a
few
times?
We
just
want
to
recover
this
again.
This
is
a
unique
insurance
coverage
that
we
could
not
find
anywhere
else.
K
We're
going
to
show
you
some
data.
We
did
a
deep
dive
into
some
of
the
data
we
have
out
there,
but
we
have
the
sewer
and
water
leak
protection
insurance.
We
also
have
private
water
line,
protection
and
private
sewer
line
protection
insurance
as
well
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight.
So
you've
seen
this
before.
These
are
the
three
different
levels
of
options
that
serve
line
provides
five
hundred
a
thousand
twenty
five
hundred
dollars,
ranging
from
a
dollar
five
to
a
dollar.
K
Fifty
four
per
month,
I'm
going
to
come
back
to
this
slide,
but
I
want
to
take
you
into
some
of
the
deeper
data
and
why
we're
going
to
be
making
some
recommendations
that
we
did
so
since
the
last
time
we
got
together,
we
dove
into
some
of
the
consumption
data
up
on
the
screen,
which
can
be
a
little
mind-numbing
I'll,
try
to
highlight
some
key
items
out
of
that.
So
what
we're
looking
at
is
the
leak
protection
doesn't
take
effect
until
your
consumption
is
over
double
of
what
your
normal
averages.
K
So
let
me
give
you
the
example:
I
live
in
the
city
of
Bloomington.
My
average
is
400
cubic
feet
on
my
bill.
That's
my
regular
average
I
can
go
online.
I
can
check
that
I
can
see
my
historical
information
out
there.
So
if
I
as
a
person
who
lives
in
Bloomington
hit,
the
800
cubic
foot
mark,
which
is
which
is
double
my
normal
average
I,
would
qualify
for
the
leak
protection.
K
So
the
reason
I
say
that
is
this
data
you
see
here
is
focused
on
how
many
times
your
normal
average
consumption
you
can
see
on
the
right.
Most
people
fall
within
the
two
to
three
times
their
normal
average
consumption.
That's
almost
60%
of
the
amounts
that
we
saw,
and
so
that's
the
key
takeaway
from
some
of
this.
The
other
facet
is
the
data
we
looked
at
was
from
September
to
March.
K
Why
we
specifically
highlighted
that
data,
because
we
didn't
want
to
be
confused
with
some
of
the
watering
of
lawns
filling
of
swimming
pools,
some
of
the
different
seasonal
type
effects
that
you'll
find.
So
we
wanted
to
try
to
get
a
good
baseline
of
where
some
of
the
water
usage
was
at.
So
what
we
found
for
the
historical
data
was
that
the
vast
majority
of
citizens
were
fell
within
the
0
to
100
dollar
range.
K
If
you
look
that
that
far
left
column
that
really
spikes
up
higher,
we
found
that
almost
2000
people
experienced
over
the
course
of
the
time
we
looked
at
out
of
28,000
accounts
over
2000
people
in
one
month
in
September,
experienced
the
rates
that
would
hit
the
water
leak
protection
amount.
That's
a
large
amount
of
our
citizens
experience
these
types
of
leak,
protections
about
these
spikes
in
their
service.
So
as
a
staff,
we
just
wanted
to
say
the
data
really
backs
up
the
fact
that
this
is
an
issue
for
our
citizens.
K
K
Go
to
that
slide
back
in
a
second,
but
the
500
dollar
amount
coverage
is
over
98%
98
percent
of
the
people
that
we
saw
that
experienced
these
overages
that
would
qualify
for
leak
consumption
with
the
insurance
qualification
they
they're
they're
covered
by
the
five
hundred
dollars.
If
we
went
up
to
the
twenty
five
hundred
dollars,
yes,
we
get
99.94%
and
this
is
not
always
going
to
be
the
same,
but
the
data
is
really
kind
of
saying.
K
We
can
really
hit
the
vast
majority
of
our
residents
for
that
dollar
five
amount
per
month,
and
so
that's
why
I
come
back
to
this
slide.
The
staff
really
is
looking.
We
think
we
can
get
most
people
and
we
can
keep
the
cost
reasonable,
save
that
fifty
extra
cents
per
month
for
our
citizens
and
capture
most
of
what
we
see
of
the
people
in
the
city,
and
so
we
think
that's
a
good
data
dive
and
what's
nice
is
data
really
helps
Sarah
times
we
came
into
this
process
as
staff.
We
thought.
K
Well,
it's
not
that
much
more
to
get
the
twenty
five
hundred
dollar
amount.
We
will.
This
seems
like
that
might
be
a
no-brainer.
Maybe
we
can
really
help
people
looking
at
the
data
shows
why
why
do
that
unnecessarily?
The
data
really
kind
of
drove
us
to
more
that
five
hundred
dollar
amount.
So
that's
where
some
of
that
recommendation
will
come
from.
Let's
jump
over
to
how
do
you
report
this?
So
a
citizen
we
say
in
September,
two
thousand
people
have
this
happen.
K
It's
actually
fairly
simple
from
a
citizen
perspective
anyway,
from
their
perspective,
they'll
be
given
a
local
number
they'll
call
the
local
number
a
claims
representative
will
help
them
to
be
able
to
identify
hey
what
happened?
Is
it
fixed?
When
did
it
occur?
They'll
get.
Maybe
some
additional
data,
some
additional
cost
and
hey?
How
much
did
it
cost
you
to
repair
it
once
they
get
that
information
they'll
actually
work
with
the
city
of
Bloomington,
so
the
city
of
Bloomington
maintains
a
lot
of
that
data.
K
The
city
of
Bloomington
is
who
gives
them
the
usage
data
for
them
to
be
able
to
have
from
an
average
customer
usage
perspective,
and
then
what
happens
then
is
the
serve
line,
will
say
hey
this
is
this:
is
a
justified
claim
we're
going
to
pay
that
check
to
the
city
of
Bloomington
so
that
the
citizen,
all
they
do-
is
pay
their
average
monthly
bill?
So
it's
a
benefit
to
the
citizen.
It's
a
benefit
to
the
city.
K
We
then
don't
lose
the
revenue
that
we
would
have
experience
otherwise,
and
the
citizen
experience
is
a
good
really,
a
good
interaction
with
hey
we've
been
covered,
and
this
is
worth
it,
and
so
we
think
this
is
something
that
has
value,
let's
jump
to
their
other
programs,
the
first
one.
Let
me
let
me
step
back
really
quick
I
should
have
said
this.
This
is
an
opt-out,
so
the
water
leak
protection.
Should
the
council
do
this?
This
is
important.
This
is
something
that
it
goes
on.
K
Everybody's
bill,
a
person
if
they
don't
want
it,
they
can
say
I,
don't
want
to
be
part
of
it.
I
want
to
opt
out
of
it.
That's
key,
and
it's
key
because
the
next
part
is
where
we're
really
asking
for
your
consideration
for
the
opt-in
for
the
private
water
line
and
private
sewer
line.
That
is
not
mandatory.
There
is
no
nobody
saying
you
have
to
do.
This
I
will
go
into
some
of
the
other
research.
K
We
did
a
deep
dive
into
looking
at
what
other
insurance
companies
provide,
but
this
is
optional
and
we
see
power
in
that,
because
not
everybody
has
options
on
how
to
deal
with
that.
Some
people
don't
have
the
luxury
of
having
insurance
that
can
cover
some
of
their
their
older
parts
of
town,
with
failing
sewers,
we're
saying,
since
it's
already
there,
let's
capitalize
on
this
as
an
option
and
put
that
out
there
does
it
fix
everything?
No,
but
we
think
it's
at
least
a
valuable
choice.
K
K
They
have
the
same
phone
number.
They
call
in
there.
If
they're
already
into
the
program,
they
gather
data
again
make
their
assessments
and
then
they
will
pay
the
claim
and
pay
a
check
to
the
resident,
not
the
city.
So
again,
that
one
is
one
two
where
the
resident
has
the
insurance
and
they
work
directly
with
serve
line,
and
so
that
is
one
that
is
at
that
opt
in
voluntary
program.
So
we
actually
did
quite
a
deep
dive.
I
give
some
specific
things
from
the
lower
right
hand,
corner
Troxel
insurance.
K
They
are
an
independent
insurance
company,
Chad
Tomah
there
did
some
research
he
did
in
a
trade
magazine
then
use
that
and
put
it
out
there,
but
they
have
that
issue
as
well.
So
he
looked
at
a
lot
of
these
various
companies.
We've
talked
even
like
State,
Farm
and
others
to
try
to
find
what
is
available.
There
are
some
insurance
options
available
for
private
sewer
and
water
they're,
absolutely
out
there.
They
range,
though
very
much
and
what
they
cover,
how
much
they
are,
and
even,
if
they're
offered
not
everybody
offers
them.
K
That's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
still
stand
by
if
it's
often
and
voluntary,
why
not
provide
it
at
least
as
an
option
for
our
citizens
I'm,
you
can
see
in
a
packet
of
information
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
every
one
of
these,
but
we
give
quite
a
bit
of
data
trying
to
give
the
best
information
that
we
can
for
our
citizens.
Let's
talk
about
outreach.
How
does
citizens
know
about
this?
If
the
council
chooses
it,
what
are
we
going
to
do
to
make
sure
they
know
of
what
what
their
options
are?
K
We
have
Flyers
mailers
serve
line.
This
is
not
their
first
rodeo,
so
they
are.
They
have
the
ability
to
reach
out
to
our
citizens
and
inform
and
educate
them.
We
would
be.
It
will
talk
about
some
of
the
other
mechanisms
that
we
have.
We
also
have
some
frequently
asked
questions
we
can
put
on
the
internet
and
really
try
to
get
education
as
far
as
what
our
citizens
can
do
and
what
they
can't
do.
So,
let's
talk
about
a
timeline
tonight
again,
as
city
manager
pointed
out,
we
can
go
by
whatever
timeline
the
council
wants.
K
This
actually
is
looking
at.
If
we
took
something
into
February
to
our
city
council
for
a
final
action,
we
could
even
do
additional
outreach.
We
could
even
try
to
do
additional
public
meetings
or
mayor
open
houses
or
other
items
once
the
decision
is
made,
though
it
actually
is
a
fairly
rapid
process,
which
is
good,
but
we
think
the
key
once
the
decision
is
made.
If
it's
positive
is
to
say,
we've
got
to
have
information
meetings
bill
insert
social
media
information
kicked
out
there.
We
want
to
do
the
mailers
to
people.
K
We
also
want
to
work
with
even
the
neighborhood
groups
online.
Those
are
critical
things
so
that
if
in
February
the
council
made
that
decision,
we
could
even
start
this
in
June
or
July,
and
so
that's
a
that's
a
good
turnaround
time
that
gives
our
citizens
going
into
the
summer
months,
not
an
option
for
this
program.
H
Thank
you
so
so
Jim
in
and
I
think
in
the
last
slide
you
had
up
there
works
as
homeowners
are
responsible
for
their
property.
What
I'm
trying
to
understand
is
and
I
need
for
you
to
help
me
kind
of
walk
through
some
discomfort
that
I
have
around
this
idea
of.
We
have
areas
in
town,
neighbor,
neighborhoods
in
town,
where
we
have
obviously
a
Parkway
the
area
between
the
street
and
the
sidewalk,
where
we
have
utilities
that
come
down
through
there.
We
also
then
again
in
some
areas.
H
H
Of
insurance
in
here
right,
I'm
gonna
get
that
a
lot
of
times
I'm
trying
to
insure
over
over
actions
or
activities.
I
have
some
measure
of
control
over
I
mean
if
I
didn't
drive,
a
car
I
would
need
auto
insurance,
but
but
it
almost
seems
like
I'm
being
asked
to
take
on
some
risk
for
for
potential
liability
or
an
expense
that
whoever
is
is
sanctioned
by
the
city
to
come
down
through
those
easements
through
those
right-of-ways
and
do
work.
They
could
damage
one
of
my
lines.
K
I'm
hoping
I
give
you
the
right
answer:
I.
I
thankfully
put
a
backslide
and
like
what
well
after
so
I,
had
a
nice
graphic.
We
can
highlight
up
on
the
screen,
so
the
the
point.
Let
me
let
me
make
sure
I'm
understanding
you
correctly.
So
when
we
talk
about
the
sewer
ladder,
let's
just
focus
on
the
sewer
lateral.
For
example,
we've
had
instances
to
where
fiber
optic
lines
will
come
through
and
they
up
we're
going
to
go
deeper
with
our
fiber
optic
line
and
I'm
not
trying
to
pick
on
them.
K
We
just
have
examples
where
that
happens
and
to
where
they
are
boring
in
a
fiber
optic
line
and
they
hit
the
private
sewer
lateral
up
on
the
screen,
and
so
when
those
happens,
this
isn't
an
insurance
issue,
that's
one
too,
where
that
is
the
homeowners,
private,
lateral
and
the
the
whoever
did
that
damage
is
then
responsible
to
repair
that,
and
so
the
city
has
helped
facilitate
that
dialogue.
In
the
past,
we've
had
that
from
our
gas
company.
We've
had
that
from
our
utility,
various
utility
companies.
That
can
happen.
K
That's
a
separate
good
question,
separate
issue
because
those
companies
that
did
the
damage
are
responsible
to
fix
it
issues,
though,
with
sewer
laterals
to
where
we
have
failed,
the
failed
laterals,
that's
where
sometimes
we
have
this.
We
have
homes
built
in
the
early,
ninth
hundreds
that
they
have
but
joint
plays.
We've
talked
about
that
extensively
of
our
issues
and
they
fail
they.
They
crack
trees,
get
in
and
cause
those
problems.
K
Those
are
the
kind
of
areas
that
that's
the
insurance
that
where
it
really
comes
into
play
and
is
wonderful,
because
those
instances
that
private
lateral
is
there
for
the
sole
benefit
of
that
property,
and
so
it's
kind
of
like
a
driveway
there.
People
are
responsible
for
their
driveway
they're
responsible
for
their
sewer,
lateral,
and
so
even
in
the
public
right-of-way
people
are
responsible.
Even
the
parkway
people
are
responsible
for
their
driveway.
K
H
That
is
correct,
even
though,
but
again,
I
want
to
be
sure
for
purposes
of
clarity
here,
even
though
you're
referring
to
it
as
a
private
lateral,
if
something
there's
large
sections
of
that
that
are
in
the
public,
right-of-way
and
potentially
correct
so
you're
saying,
if
there's
failure
there
due
to
some
some
utility
or
some
action
done
by
you,
know
a
city
contractor
a
vendor
of
some
kind
in
in
the
public.
Right-Of-Way
I
would
not
be
liable
for
repair
to
that
piece
of
the
private
lateral,
because
it's
in
the
public
right-of-way
the.
H
K
Correct
again,
let
me
be
clear,
though,
in
instances
to
where
a
utility
company
hits
a
private
lateral,
the
city's,
not
at
fault.
The
city
is
not,
you
know
we're.
We
are
not
liable,
we're
trying
to
help
a
resident,
be
an
advocate
and
say
if
we
did
tell
if
we
televise
the
line,
there's
times
will
televise
the
line
say
it's
not
a
city
issue,
but
you
can
use
that
that
video
as
a
resident
to
help
prove
your
case
that
this
was
hit
by
X
Y
Z
utility.
H
K
Much
larger
issue
we
could
talk
about
for
a
while,
but
you
know:
there's
Illinois
Commerce,
Commission
regulations,
franchise
agreements,
things
there's
some
people,
we
can't
say
no
to
we've
struggled
to
say
no
too
many
municipalities
have.
The
city
is,
though
you're
correct.
We
try
to
protect
within
the
right-of-way
whenever
possible,
for
the
benefit
of
the
of
the
larger
citizen
group
that
right-of-way
so
you're
right
on
that
I
agree.
Okay,.
H
In
and
up
I'll
wrap
up
but
again,
I
want
to
be
sure,
because
this
is
important
right
I
mean
this
is
a
significant
policy
decision.
I
want
to
be
sure,
I'm,
clear
anywhere
from
the
connection
to
the
main
I
know
we're
referring
to
that
all
as
private
lateral
up
to
wherever
it
comes
in
into
the
home
or
the
structure
or
whatever.
It
is
whatever
section
of
that
that
is
in
the
right-of-way
in
the
easement.
H
If
that
is
damaged
by
say
a
utility
coming
down
through
there
to
do
some
work,
you
know
installing
again
another
you
know:
internet
provider
or
replacing
you
know
a
sewer
main
down
through
that
parkway
or
something
like
that
city
is
responsible
for
for
the
cost
of
that
of
having
that
repaired.
I'm.
Sorry,
that's
not
what
I
was
saying.
Okay,
then
then,
because
I'm
trying
to
understand
we're
again,
we
have
a
situation
where
we're
going
to
have.
We
have
Parkway,
we
have
easement,
we
have
right
away
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
street.
H
K
H
Yeah,
that's
got
well
everywhere.
You
drive
down
through
a
neighborhood.
If
you
see
a
phone
pedestal
on
the
homeowners
side
of
the
sidewalk,
that's
easement,
that's
correct,
you
know,
or
if
I
see
a
power
pedestal
or
whatever
utility
it
might
be.
That
clearly
indicates
we
have
easement
on
both
sides
of
the
sidewalk.
There.
K
H
Anywhere
there
is
designated
easement
whether
it
is
on
the
street
side
of
the
sidewalk
or
the
home
side
of
the
sidewalk.
If
there
is,
if
there
is
damage
done
to
that
water
line
or
that
sewer
that
private
lateral
by
a
utility
company
or
some
worse,
you
know
somebody
else
coming
down
through
that
work.
That's
where
the
city
would
step
in
and
an
advocate
and
get
that
work
repaired
it
at
no
cost
to
the
to
the
homeowner.
K
As
long
as
the
city
does
not
maintain
any
liability
for
that
work,
if
it's
done
damage
done
by
somebody
else,
but
we
really
have-
we've
tried
to
provide
excellence
and
customer
service
people
to
help
with
any
information
that
we
have.
That
would
help
them
with
their
case
with
the
private
utility
company.
As
long
as
it's
clear
that
it
is
not
the
city,
not
the
city's
fault,
nor
are
we
liable
if
the
utility
company
does
not
pay,
then
yes,
but
that
is
we
try
to
advocate,
where
possible,
hey
Jim.
L
Think,
in
the
amount
of
time
that
that
we
have
for
this
presentation,
it's
very
hard
for
us
to
give
a
specific
answer.
First
of
all,
there's
a
number
of
different
factors.
One
of
them
would
be.
Is
that
a
contractor
of
the
city,
a
direct
contract
where
the
city
is
it
a
separate
entity
altogether
where
it
occurs,
how
it
occurs?
There's.
L
Tort
immunity
act
which
may
have
some
things
and
some
effect
on
it,
as
Jim
alluded
to
there's
Illinois
Commerce
Commission
regulations.
There
are
franchise
agreements.
There's
there
is
a
number
of
laws,
it
might
be
a
place.
So
it's
really
not
a
very
yes-or-no
answer
would
be
inappropriate.
Now
we
could
take
some
time
and
legal
would
be
willing
to
do
some
research
and
get
back
with
a
slightly
more
detailed
answer
to
some
specific
questions.
We'd
be
more
than
willing
to
do
that.
H
Well
again,
I
don't
want
to
dominate
the
conversation
here,
but
we
got
to
get
down
to
a
point
where
the
where
a
homeowner
can
understand
whether
there's
there's
value
in
in
opting
in
for
the
lab
the
water
line
or
sewer
insurance
it
and
part
of
that
part
of
that
calculus.
If
you
will
is
going
to
decide
where
you
know
where
their
where
their
personal
liability
lies,
you
don't
well.
L
And
that's
why
I
think
you
know
it
could
make
sense
for
us
to
address
some
of
that.
Potential
liability,
of
course,
would
be
important
in
any
analysis
of
an
insurance
issue,
but
you
know
in
some
of
the
scenario
there
were
a
few
different
scenarios
kicked
around
and
the
answer
is
not
necessarily
always
the
same,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
factors
and
a
lot
of
legal
overlay.
A
A
K
It's
possible
I'd
like
to
highlight
two
separate
things:
one
I
put
up
a
separate
graphic
for
you.
This
is
water,
so
water
and
Sue
are
different.
Water
starts
from
the
public
water
shut-off
valve
to
the
house,
whereas
sewer
goes
from
the
tee
and
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
to
highlight
that.
But
the
positive
aspect
of
this,
let
me
just
say
this
from
a
resident
perspective.
It
will
be
really
incumbent
upon
them
to
say
what
are
my
options
for
my
insurance
company.
What
are
my
risks?
What
is
my
risk?
K
K
Curler
this
is
resident,
it
is
residential,
and
so
you
know
it
can
be
even
then
with
we
can
talk
about
landlords
and
policies,
and
some
of
that
currently
they
offer
this
program
to
anybody
in
our
residential
program,
which
includes
some
rental
properties
and
so
that,
as
a
council,
we
can
make
a
policy
statement
different
than
that.
But
you
know
we
can
even
make
statements
that
say
you
know
landlord
rented
properties
have
no
option
to
be
out
of
it.
We
can
you
know
we
can
try
to
implement
some
different
things,
but
I
think
for
them.
K
F
Yeah,
that
was
my
follow-up,
that
we
are
definitely
not
looking
at
businesses,
even
businesses
that
maybe
run
out
of
a
home
I
mean
obviously,
if
you're,
making
candles
or
something
that
might
be
different.
But
you
know
suppose
you
might
I'm
thinking
about
a
situation
where
maybe
you're
living
upstairs
from
your
business
or
whatever
a
lot.
J
M
F
M
K
M
And
I
will
tell
you
after
our
last
conversation,
I
got
a
lot
of
questions
from
residents
and
a
lot
of
support
for
both
of
these
programs.
Both
the
opt-in
and
the
opt-out
portion,
the
the
leak
protection,
as
well
as
a
sewer
line
and
water
line
protection,
because
many
residents
are
aware
of
their
potential
risk
either
because
they've
had
an
unfortunate
experience
or
because
it's
they've
known
someone
who
has-
and
they
very
much
want
to
find
ways
to
manage
this
risk
that
may
not
be
available
to
them.
So
I'm.
M
Very
supportive
of
both
of
these,
the
optin
in
the
opt-out
and
I
think
that
you've
appropriately
chosen,
which
is
which
based
on
what's
available
and
the
fact
that
on
some
sites,
there
are
other
options.
My
only
comment
would
be
when
it
comes
to
the
opt-in
program
during
the
the
education
portion
of
it.
M
If
we
choose
to
move
forward
on
that,
I
think
that
we
should
make
sure
that
we
stress
that
this
is
one
option
on
the
market
and
that
they
should
explore
their
other
options
to
make
sure
that
they
are
getting
the
best
deal
for
them.
But
I
think
it's
important
for
us,
as
a
community
or
as
a
city
to
offer
that,
because
not
everyone
can
take
advantage
of
some
of
those
other
programs
or
they
might
find.
M
N
K
And
also
to
highlight
that
toilet
leaks
are
the
most
common
thing
that
you
see
out
there
by
far
and
public
works.
You
really
do
encourage
people
once
a
year.
I've
been
victim
of
that
myself
that
the
the
leaky
seal
check
that
once
a
year,
we
actually
have
kits
at
that
public
works
that
people
can
use
to
take
their
place
and
test
them
as
well.
A
A
And
thank
you,
Council
and,
and
the
very
hard
work
that
the
staff
has
done
and
thank
you,
mr
Boyle,
for
weighing
in
for
our
legal
issues.
Thank
you
and
at
this
point
we
move
to
presentation
of
property
tax
consideration
and
we
have
a
brief
presentation
by
mr.
Gleason,
and
this
is
related
to
public
safety.
Pension
funding
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Gleason
Thank.
G
You
mayor
council,
a
quick
presentation,
but
could
be
a
little
bit
longer
discussion
comments
how
to
counsel
it
is
property
tax
levy
season.
As
all
are
aware,
municipalities
have
to
set
the
rate
around
mid
December,
where
it's
adopted
formally
and
then
recorded
at
the
county
level.
This
is
a
quick
presentation
to
discuss
some
options
and
considerations.
G
Currently
our
rate
is
around
1.3,
3,
9
and
I.
Think
let
me
back
up
just
one
step
and
it's
not
in
the
slide,
but
just
share
on
the
property
tax
bill.
The
city
of
Bloomington's
bortion
has
around
15%
of
the
total
property
tax
bill
and
our
current
rate
is
the
one
point.
Three
three
nine
that
I
just
did
mentioned
and
that's
an
option
is
to
maintain
that
current
rate
or
another
option
for
consideration
is
to
set
the
rate
to
cover
the
entire
public
safety
pension
obligation
that
we
have
as
a
municipality.
G
Again,
the
options
are
to
maintain
the
current
rate
at
around
one
point:
three:
three:
nine,
or
to
set
the
rate
to
cover
the
public
safety
pensions,
and
if
we
were
to
do
that,
it
would
increase
approximately
nine
point.
Eight
percent
to
a
rate
of
one
point,
four,
seven
up
from
the
one
point,
three
three
nine
rate
to
remain
below
that
of
the
town
of
normal,
including
their
their
recently
proposed
decrease
normal
funds
that
our
entire
public
safety
pensions
of
via
the
property
tax
levy.
G
G
Utility
tax
considerations,
ordinance
2014.
Thirty
eight
was
passed
in
2014
amending
the
utility
tax
rates
to
address
the
anticipated
public
safety
pension
funding
gap.
Nearly
2.5
million
dollars
in
annual
revenue
increases
resulted.
These
funds
have
been
restricted
for
public
safety,
pension
funding
use
if
a
property
tax
levy
is
adopted
which
fully
funds
the
public
safety
pension
needs,
the
utility
tax
ordinance
would
be
will
be
amended
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
FY
2020
budget.
It
would
have
to
be
again
going
backwards.
G
Just
a
little
bit
in
2014
council
made
the
decision,
knowing
that
the
property
tax
levy
was
not
going
to
fund
the
entire
public
safety
pension
obligation.
To
fill
that
gap,
you
raised
the
utility
tax
to
fill
that
gap.
Roughly
two
point:
five
million
on
the
front
end
of
that
when
the
obligation
wasn't
the
2.5
million,
we
actually
built
up
cash
reserves
of
a
little
bit
more
than
five
million
dollars.
So
when
the
lines
crossed
we
could
pull
from
those
reserves
and
still
continue
to
fund
the
gap
with
the
utility
tax.
G
This
is
sort
of
the
schedule
of
events
next
meeting
on
November
26th,
the
rate
will
be
brought
forward
to
council
as
a
proposed
rate.
If
there
is
absent
sort
of
direction
from
council
tonight,
I
will
likely
have
an
agenda
item
next
week.
That
will
have
an
option
a
and
an
option
B,
and
it
would
be
the
current
property
tax
rate
or
it
would
be
a
property
tax
rate.
G
That's
increased
to
the
amount,
the
1.47
that
would
cover
the
entire
public
safety
pensions
and
again,
if
that
ended
up
being
adopted
at
the
council
meeting
in
December,
then
something
would
have
to
be
addressed
with
the
utility
tax
2014
ordinance
and
that
would
be
done
prior
to
the
adoption
of
the
2020
budget.
So
it'd
be
something
that
would
be
discussion
to
be
addressed
somewhere
in
February
or
March
of
next
year
on
a
couple
of
months
and
also
finance
director,
Scott
Rathbun
is
available
if
there's
any
additional
questions
or
comments
of
us.
Thank
you.
Questions.
A
N
Rare
that
I
be
carrying
the
a
button,
but
I
got
this
time
so
we're
talking
about
there's
two
separate
parts
of
the
funding
for
the
pensions.
We
have
kind
of
the
paying
as
we
go
along
for
our
obligations
this
year,
four
of
staffing
that
we
have
in
place
and
we're
talking
about
pit
making
back
payments
as
well,
because
we
have
the
Illinois
law
that
says
we
have
to
be
fully
or
ninety
percent
funded
by
2042.
So
we
kind
of
have
those
two
pieces
in
play
at
the
same
time.
N
G
It
in
actually
I'll
speak
to
that
additionally
2041.
Twenty
forty
two
municipalities
are
expected
to
have
the
article
three
and
four
pension
funds,
police
and
fire.
Ninety
percent
funded
this
council
or
past
council,
made
the
decision
to
fund
at
a
one
hundred
percent
level,
so
that
could
be
a
part
of
this
discussion
as
well
that
one
point
four
seven
rate
that
would
fully
fund
the
public
safety
pension
obligations
is
funding
at
the
hundred
percent.
The
council
shows
you
know,
that's
the
target
for
counsel
for
twenty
forty
one.
N
Okay
and
there's
this
take
into
account
part
of
that
adoption
of
the
hundred
percent
showed
an
accelerated
rate
schedule
where
the
the
backwards
facing
the
you
know,
the
catch-up
payments
were
making
were
accelerating
a
year
over
year.
Is
that
that's
correct,
Scott
right
where
the
the
payments
were,
the
back
payments
were
making
kept,
getting
bigger
and
bigger,
as
we
went
along
I
mean.
Does
the
does
the
1.47
take
into
account
that
or,
as
that
rate
level
keeps
increasing?
Does
the
one
point?
Seven
four
seven
number
need
to
change
along
with
that
number
that.
G
N
And
this
seems
from
everything
that
I've
been
reading.
This
is
a
the
same
problem
that
every
municipality
is
facing
the
same.
How
do
we
make
those
payments
for
to
make
up
for
what
happened
in
the
past,
while
still
continuing
to
make
our
payments
for
what's
going
to
happen
in
the
future?
At
the
same
time?
It's
it's
like
a
two-sided.
You
know
sword
on
that.
One
is
a
blow
so,
okay,
thank
you
for
providing
that
clarity.
All.
F
F
G
O
P
F
650
a
month
and
if
we
know
you're
doing
it
a
slightly
okay.
My
second
question
is
one
that
has
to
do,
and
maybe
somebody
up
here
knows
the
answer.
There
was
a
referendum
for
the
property
taxes
state
level
property
tax
was,
you
know:
do
we
increase
property
taxes
in
the
state
to
pay
for
pensions
and
I?
Don't
know
what
happened
with
that
and
I.
It.
F
O
The
current
need,
with
an
eye
towards
the
future,
and
right
now
we
have
8.2
million
dollars
in
the
levy.
That's
dedicated
to
public
safety,
pensions
and
the
2020
need
is
11
point
1
million,
so
we're
already
exceeding
the
amount
that
we're
bringing
in
from
utility
tax,
so
we're
eating
we're
gonna
start
eating
away
at
that
reserve
this
year.
This
coming
year.
M
Just
a
question
with
regard
to
the
2040
flash
41
deadline,
I've
heard
some
I
remember
where
I
heard
it,
but
I've
heard
some
indication
that
many
municipalities
are
not
on
track
to
fund
at
the
statutorily
required
levels,
so
that
that
both
deadlines
might
be
changed
by
the
legislature
to
reflect
the
reality
that
many
communities
cannot
both
fund
to
their
current
responsibilities
and
play
catch-up.
Do
we
is
that
all
just
speculation?
Is
that
an
actual
real
possibility
of
something
that
we
might
be
able
to
take
advantage
of
as
well
as
we
wanted?
It's.
G
H
We're
gonna
we're
going
to
charge
by
way
of
the
property
tax,
six
dollars
and
50
cents
more
per
month,
if
I'm,
if
I'm
understanding
this
conversation
over
here,
but
we're
going
to
give
them
four
dollars
back,
if
you
will
on
the
utility
tax
side.
So
at
the
end
of
the
day
and
again
we'll
talk
about
the
size
of
the
numbers
here
in
a
second
they're
still
gonna,
it's
still
going
to
cost
more
doing
it.
H
This
way
you,
even
though
it
would
appear
to
be
miniscule,
it
would
still
take
more
money
out
of
the
taxpayers
pocket
to
do
it.
This
way,
yes,
sir,
you
know
sumption,
that's
correct,
okay,
okay,
because
again,
I
think
sometimes
what
gets
lost
in
the
conversation
up
here
is
that
probably
for
most
of
us,
if
not
all
of
us
here
on
this
platform,
a
net
of
2.50
since
a
month
is
doesn't
seem
that
significant.
H
However,
if
you
begin
to
as
I've
seen
in
some
of
the
local
media
suggested,
we
may
have
it
sounds
like
unit
five
is
going
to
come
back
in
and
propose
to
increase.
You
know
their
their
property
tax
rate
as
well,
which
is
kind
of
scary,
because
again,
if
I
understand
that's
to
pay
teacher
salaries
which
that
that's
kind
of
takes
funding
to
a
whole,
another
scary
level
for
me.
H
H
Again,
that's
probably
not
the
front
of
most
of
our
thinking
or
personally
or
conversation
we
have
up
here,
but
it's
important
to
recognize
four
dollars:
six
dollars.
Eight!
That's
that's
real
money
to
some
folks
who
live
here
in
the
city
so
that
that's
part
of
the
concern
I
have
the
other
thing
is,
is
I,
wonder
Scott
if
you
could
walk
me
through
some
of
the
assumptions
that
have
been
made
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
viability
of
this
going
forward.
Here's
a
couple
of
assumptions
or
I,
guess:
speculation
that
I
have
I'm
concerned.
H
We
have
not
a
lot
of
new
construction
going
on
so
so,
if
the
property
tax
income
is
not
going
to
to
continue
or
grow
by
new
construction,
then
that
means
the
focus,
at
least
in
my
mind,
remains
then
on
stuff,
that's
already
built,
okay
and
and
if
what
I'm
hearing
from
people
around
the
community
is
that
that
we
have
prices
that
are
being
decreased
four
homes
in
the
community,
then
at
some
point
and
again,
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
in
our
meeting.
I.
H
Think
my
recollection,
is
it
takes
about
three
years
for
those
decreased
eav
s
to
start
to
show
up
in
the
levy.
So
while
we
don't
see
it
right
away,
if
in
fact,
we
have
properties
that
have
have
lost
value
and
are
losing
value,
then
in
a
few
short
years
our
our
levy
will
be
going
down
unless
something
happens
with
the
tax
rate.
Okay,
am
I
good
so
far?
So
so,
how
are
we?
How
are
we
considering?
How
are
we
factoring
and
how?
H
G
If
the
decision
was
made
to
fund
the
entire
public
safety
pension
obligation
through
the
property
tax
rate,
we
do
that
if
what
you
are
commenting
to
actually
becomes
reality,
two
three
four
years
down
the
road
and
the
decision
of
the
council
or
me
and
staff
preparing
whatever
fiscal
year
budget
might
be.
At
that
time
we
can
adjust.
We
could
go
back
to
something
that
is
identical
to
what
we
have
now,
or
look
for
other
options
to
try
to
lessen
that
burden
on
somebody
paying
a
property
tax
bill.
Okay,.
H
So,
just
in
terms
of
some
feedbacks
I'm
sure
that's
what
you're
looking
for
yeah
again
I'm
uncomfortable
with
with
even
for
some
mechanism,
some
proposal.
That
really
is
not
a
wash
from
a
taxpayer
perspective.
You
know,
if
we're
going
to
take
more
out
of
the
pocket
for
on
the
property
tax
side,
then
something
that
is
is
equivalent.
You
know
in
terms
of
give
back,
you
know
to
the
taxpayers
in
the
same
amount.
So
thank
you
all.
P
B
P
Unit
five
talking
about
the
possibility
of
increasing
property
taxes
by
$200
I
think
that's
the
number
that
was
used
so
that
you
know
I
as
I
start
to
think
about
that
and
I
and
I.
Think
about
you
know,
that's
just
a
school
district,
I,
don't
know
what
else
others
might
do.
I
mean
we
have
several
taxing
bodies
and
I'm
worried
about
the
cumulative
effect
of
all
those
increases.
P
You
know-
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
but
I,
you
know
I
understand
you
know
in
in
some
circles,
for
most
people
you
know
think
that
the
utility
tax
is
pretty
aggressive
right,
but
there's
also
the
aspect
that
I
think
it
spreads
things
amongst
a
lot
more
people
right.
Would
that
be
correct?
Yeah,
because
you
know
when
you
think
about
it,
it's
not
just
you
know:
property
owners
who
use
police
and
fire
services,
but
it's
it's
a
lot
of
people,
including
folks
who
drive
into
town.
P
H
Yes,
I
want
to
be
sure,
I
understand
which,
because
I
think
you
make
a
good
point,
what
you're
suggesting
is
is
we
have
a
certain
number
of
property
owners
who
pay
property
tax?
Who,
as
opposed
to
then
that
number
plus
other
folks
who
come
into
the
city
to
purchase?
You
know
good
services,
that
type
of
thing
that
also
provide
a
portion
of
that
sales
tax
going
those
to
those
public
safety
pension
fundings
down.
That's
what
you're
talking
about
you're
saying
we're
in
effect
shrinking
the
size
of
the
of
those
who
contribute
right.
P
P
P
Right
right
and
the
other
thing
that
I
was
going
to
say:
I,
you
know
I,
you
know
I
also
read
some.
You
know
some
some
stuff
about
this
and
and
I
I.
Think
and
I
hear
many
municipalities
are
grappling
with
this
issues.
These
issues
and
they're
going
to
I
mean
they're,
trying
just
about
everything
that
they
can
I
mean.
We've
used
utility
taxes
and
I've
heard
of
others
using
sales
taxes.
You
know
I'm
not
suggesting
one
way
or
another,
but
I'm
just
saying.
There's
many
other
ways
to
do
that.
P
While
I
understand
that
they're,
you
know.
Traditionally
people
have
used
property
taxes,
but
I
think
the
magnitude
of
the
issue
has
forced
people
to
to
kind
of
think
outside
the
box
and
use
different.
You
know
different
instruments
to
be
able
to
accomplish
their
goals.
So
that's
something
that
that's
also
weighing
on
my
mind
as
well.
F
Thanks
and
David
I
appreciate
your
concern
related
to
the
economic
diversity
of
our
community,
going
forward.
The
only
positive
I
see
in
where
the
money
comes
from
whether
it's
utility,
tax
or
property
tax
is
our
property
taxes.
Our
effect
there
are
income
tax,
whereas
the
utility
tax
doesn't
I,
mean
I,
know
78
bucks
a
month.
Might
not,
you
know,
pushes
into
it
a
lower
tax
bracket,
but
it
does
have
a
an
impact
on
that.
Some.
A
J
You
so
I
guess
I'm,
not
hearing
overwhelming
support
for
an
increased
lovely
this
evening,
and
so
maybe
there
two
options
aren't
necessary
as
I'm
listening
to
the
discussion,
I
can't
help
but
think
about
the
the
lack
of
dealing
with
the
problem
of
pensions
from
previous
years,
and
here
we
sit
the
position
several
years
out
from
a
future
projected
deficits,
and
we
have
the
opportunity
to
take
some
action.
And
if
it's
not
this,
then
what
will
it
be?
J
N
Scott
say,
though,
is
that
next
year
we
are
already
upside
down
I'm,
going
to
start
dipping
into
the
reserve
fund.
So
you
know
that
this
is
a
you
know
a
possible
way
to
stop
already
dipping
into
you
know
we
already
we're
already
seeing
next
year,
we're
gonna
be
upside
down
right!
That's
that's
the
thing!
So
again,
where
do
we
go
from
there?
You
know
this
is
one
possible
out
on
that
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
only
one,
but
you
know,
there's
some
interesting
conversations
need
to
be
had.
Okay,.
H
Almond
sage,
Thank,
You,
mayor
and
I'll,
be
brief,
I'm,
always
fascinated
whenever
we
have
conversations
like
this
and
we
say
well,
what
are
we
going
to
do?
Where
is
this
going
to
come
from
and
I
never
hear
any
conversation
about?
Maybe
it's
time
to
again
prioritize
spending
and
say
we're
going
to
decrease
some
city
services
that
we
do
or
change
the
delivery
of
those
services
to
reduce
those
costs
and
reallocate
that
money
over
to
cover
Public
Safety
pension.
H
It
again
I'm
always
not
surprised
at
this
point,
but
I'm
always
disappointed
where
it
seems
like
the
conversation
is
always
where
we
going
to
find
more
revenue
to
do
this.
When
we
know
we
have
a
shortfall
and
were
about,
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
reducing
our
current
expenses
and
reallocating
some
of
that
money
to
cover
the
public.
You
know
pensions,
funding,
okay,.
G
A
couple
a
couple
of
quick
comments:
this
was
not
I,
guess
a
sales
pitch
on
the
part
of
staff
at
all
just
was
providing
a
menu
of
options
and
on
this
menu
there
was
two
and
if
it
looks
like
the
current
rate
is
something
that
will
advance
at
the
next
meeting.
It's
the
proposed
rate.
That's
fine,
alderman,
mathy
you're,
right
that
5.4
million
dollars
worth
of
revenue
surplus.
That
was
built
in
I'm
sure
by
design
in
the
2014
adoption
of
the
utility
tax
rate
adjustment.
G
So
and
then
it
was
premature
really
to
talk
about
how
the
FY
2008
preparation
shaping
up
but
to
alderman
Sage's
comments
that
internal
look,
where
we're
trying
to
find
ways
to
save
money,
be
more
efficient
and
not
put
the
entire
burden
on
the
backs
of
the
taxpayers.
That
day
is
here
and
excited
about
talking
about
how
FY
20
is
shaping
up
after
the
new
year
and.
A
A
A
This
I,
don't
think
anybody
really
likes
to
pay
taxes,
but
I
believe
was
Thomas
Jefferson
and
said
it
was
the
price
of
paying
for
a
civilized
society.
But
I
think
that
we're
we're
talking
about
something
much
more
concrete
than
that,
but
anyway
I
think
you
got
the
feedback
that
you
needed
all
right.
Thank
you.
G
Thank
You,
mayor
and
council,
we
have
a
slide
on
this
Scott
do
not.
Okay
at
the
upcoming
November
26th
meeting,
we
will
have
no
Bloomington.
The
Airbnb
hotel-motel
tax
is
going
to
be
on
the
agenda
for
council
to
consider
and
what
this
would
do
is
of
the
hundred
and
ten
plus
websites
that
offer
Airbnb
options
and
the
town
of
normal
in
the
city
of
Bloomington.
The
hotel-motel
tax
that
we
currently
have
in
place
would
be
applied
to
that
as
well.
Town
of
normal
is
taking
action
on
that
this
evening.
G
That's
something
that
both
mayor's
and
Pam
Reese
and
I
have
been
working
on
and
we'll
come
in
front
of
our
council
on
November
26th
item
number
2
is
going
to
be
the
proposed
property
tax
rate,
and
that
will
be
similar
if
not
identical
to
the
current
rate
and
then
also
talking
about
money.
This
is
bond.
G
I
believe,
if
approved,
it'll,
be
contingent
on
the
action
that
this
council
may
take.
If
it
becomes
an
agenda
item
I
think
is
you.
Students
have
been
a
part
of
this
and
they
are
going
to
speak
at
the
November
26th.
Our
November
26
council
meeting
under
public
comments
won't
be
an
agenda
item
but
under
public
comments,
I
think
they're
going
to
share
their
thoughts,
which
is
a
town
of
normal
item
that
is
up
for
consideration.
The
saving,
again,
partnership
between
the
two
communities,
working
on
items,
Thank
You,
mayor
sure,.
A
H
H
A
G
City
manager
report
do
we
have
schedule
of
events
come
on
Scott,
you're
killing
me
all
right
and
then
the
next
item
is
actually
alderman
math.
He
has
a
council
initiative,
it's
actually
very
exciting,
something
that
we've
talked
internally
amongst
staff,
something
that
I've
been
involved.
You
know
in
a
previous
position:
alderman
Mathi.
N
They
have
it's
part
of
a
smarter
Illinois
program
to
help
cities
to
upgrade
all
of
the
lighting
that
they
use
from
traditional
HID
bulbs
to
new
LED
bulbs
and
there's
a
if
there's
a
the
program
has
already
been
bit
out
by
the
state
they.
So
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
taking
things
to
bid
and
the
program.
You
know
they
talk
about
when
you
take
into
account
the
20-year
lifespan
of
LEDs,
the
significantly
reduce
electricity
that
they
use.
You
know
there's
as
much
as
a
50%
savings
every
year
in
electricity.
N
So
when
we
talk
about
trying
to
find
money-
and
we
talk
about
the
thousands
of
bulbs
that
we're
paying
for
every
month
across
the
city,
most
cities
that
have
undertaken
a
program
to
swap
out
their
bulbs
with
LED
bulbs
have
seen
a
four
year
return
on
their
investment
and
then
they're
paying
a
significantly
lower
electricity
bill
every
month.
There's
also
options
when
you
look
at
these
new
light
bulbs,
these
new
fixtures,
because
the
bulbs
are
so
much
smaller
to
embed
things
in
them,
such
as
wireless
access
points.
N
You
know
when
we
talk
about
things
like
right
now
we
pay
individual
from
the
water
department
who
drives
up
and
down
every
street
in
the
city
of
Bloomington
every
month
to
read
the
water
meters
as
they
drives
by
you
know.
We
could
actually
potentially
have
real-time
reading
of
water
meters
or
once
an
hour
or
things
of
that
nature.
N
So
you
know
there's
if
we
had
a
more
ubiquitous
Wireless
program
for
for
city
use
across
you
know
our
area,
we
could
potentially
just
deliver
a
whole
lot
of
new
services
to
people
at
a
significantly
reduced
cost,
as
well
as
pay
less
for
electricity.
Every
month,
so
you
know
I
I
wanted
us
to
start
going
down
this.
This
path
of
exploring
and
getting
more
details
about
the
program.
I
know
that
the
people
who
run
the
booths
are
always
exuberant
about
their
ideas
and
concepts
and
I
just
wanted
us
to
start
the
process.
N
To
start
doing
our
own
fact-finding.
Look
at
the
you
know:
I,
don't
know
exactly
how
many
lights
that
we're
currently
paying
for
right
across
the
city
is
that
number
I
suspect
it's
in
the
thousands.
But
you
know
I,
don't
know
what
that
number
is
so
and
I'm
sure
that
between
Public
Works
and
and
build
the
facilities
maintenance
that
they
actually
have
a
better
idea.
N
A
On
the
nose
Wow,
it's
like
you've
practiced
and
even
if
you
practiced
to
get
it
down
to
the
very
second
Jamie
I
wrote
it
out
holy
cow,
Wow,
okay,
I
guess
at
this
point
we
have
about
five
minutes
for
the
council,
but
essentially
I,
guess
the
question
would
be.
Are
we
interested
in
pursuing
this
I
see
lots
of
heads
nodding
but
I'm
to
go
to
all
them
in
black
and
then
all
the
woman
howlman?
Yes,
okay,
we
love
brief
answers.
All
the
woman
helmet
it.
N
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
possible
options,
there
I
mean,
and
it's
worth
you
know,
we
I
think
we
need
to
engage
in
the
conversation
with
Ameren
so
and
find
out
what
their
answer
is.
I
mean
this
is,
you
know,
amber
was
there
at
the
at
the
conference
as
well
presenting
and
they
were
in
some
of
the
smart
cities.
Presentations
I
was
in
so
both
Ameren
and
ComEd,
representing
the
northern
part
of
Illinois,
have
a
lot
of
various
programs
to
help
municipalities,
businesses
and
residences.
N
Save
money
by
switching
out
to
light
bulbs,
I'll
give
them
a
brief
plug.
If
you
go
to
Ameren
Illinois
savings.com,
you
can
actually
buy
LED
light
bulbs
for
your
house
that
are
two
or
three
dollars
per
bulb
and
if
you're
a
business,
you
can
sign
up
there
too,
and
you
can
buy
like
exit
signs
for
your
business,
which
are
required
to
be
on
24
by
7,
and
they
make
new
ones
with
LED
bulbs
that
use
eighty
percent
less
power
how's
that
for
a
commercial,
yes,.
A
G
Do
you
mind
if
we
have
no
Committee
of
the
Whole
meeting
in
December?
We
have
two
council
meetings
on
the
10th
and
the
17th.
Would
you
mind
if
I
took
the
Committee
of
the
Whole
meeting
in
January
to
make
a
presentation
back
to
Council?
That
would
include
you
know
the
total
number
of
lighting
that
city
owns
what
the
presence
is
of
Ameren
in
the
community
and
then
what
a
lighting
audit
might
look
like
in
an
approximate
cost.
A
A
A
How
the
horn
moment,
okay,
like
that,
just
to
see
as
part
of
the
presentation
in
January
for
the
community
whole
and
I,
know
we're
all
going
to
be
heartbroken,
that
we
don't
have
a
Committee
of
the
Whole
meeting
and
in
December,
but
anyway,
it's
got
crying
at
this
point.
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
whoa
that
was
quick
moved
by
all
the
men
black?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
several
people,
all
the
woman
Schmidt
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
we're
adjourned?
Thank
you.