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March 18, 2019 - Committee of the Whole City Council Meeting
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A
A
B
A
E
It's
looking
a
couple
of
the
handouts
for
today
and
Jim's
going
to
go
into
it
later,
but
you
know,
as
I've
mentioned
many
times
before
and
you're
all
well
aware
of
it,
the
red
general
fund
funding
for
the
road
stops
in
2014.
I
sat
in
on
all
those
meetings.
Half
the
people
here
did
my
best
recollection
and
Jim
can
correct
me
when
he
gets
up
my
understanding.
That
was
to
be
a
supplement
to
get
us
over
the
hump
and,
as
we
all
knew
that
ran
out
in
four
years.
E
We
do
have
a
20
million
surplus
now
our
stated
goal:
I,
don't
know
if
it's
in
a
resolution
form
of
what
was
10
to
15
percent,
but
I
see
the
lobbying
here.
Maybe
we
need
to
raise
that
tutorial.
25
percent
I'm,
just
waiting
for
that
resolution
to
come,
I'll
be
able
to
fill
up
pretty
easy
since
none
of
the
red
it
is
going
out
to
fix
the
roads,
and
maybe
it's
out
there
already.
But
it
says,
fund
balances
are
for
emergency
situations
and
one-time
needs
such
as
one
undone
capital
projects.
E
E
A
You
very
much
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
move
right
along
to
consideration
of
approving
Committee
of
the
Whole
meeting
minutes
from
February
18th
2019
is
requested
by
the
city
clerk
Department,
and
the
recommendation
is
that
the
reading
of
the
minutes
be
dispensed
and
that
the
minutes
be
approved
as
printed.
Is
there
a
motion
to
that
effect,
or
there
are
questions
or
comments
or
amendments.
F
A
By
all
the
woman
Schmidt,
is
there
a
second
second
by
all
the
woman
Helmut
any
further
discussion?
Madam
clerk,
would
you
call
the
roll
I'm,
assuming
that
one
has
to
be
roll
call,
or
we
can
we
do
that?
We
can
do
that
electronically?
Okay,
sorry,
after
I
turn
it
on
all
the
woman
Brahe.
How
do
you
vote
on
that.
A
The
motion
carries
nine
to
zero.
There
are
no
names
to
announce.
Madam
clerk.
We
move
right
along
to
a
review
of
revenues,
collected
and
expenditures
related
to
the
motor
fuel
tax
approved
in
2014
as
a
request
for
the
Bloomington
City
Council
and
again
this
is
a
presentation
and
discussion.
Only.
There
are
known
actions,
of
course,
to
be
taken
this
evening.
We're
gonna
start
with
an
overview
by
our
city
manager
and
mr.
Clark,
and,
as
was
alluded
to
in
in
public
comment,
we
did
have,
and
we
can
this.
A
A
We
did
it
in
tan,
but
some
of
that
money
was
replaced
in
the
budget
crunch
of
2014
and
then
you
know
we're
down
to
earmarked
funds
and
then
so
that's
much
of
what
we
can
talk
about
and
so
I
think
the
public
deserves
an
answer
to
those
kinds
of
questions.
As
we
move
forward
on
this,
but
I'd
also
asked
the
council,
if
we're
not
I
mean
regardless
of
legacy
costs,
we
can
always
say
somebody
should
have
done
this
25
years
ago.
Somebody
should
have
done
this
ten
years
ago.
A
Somebody
should
have
done
this
five
years
ago.
Streets
don't
pay
themselves.
So
if
it's
not
going
to
be
this,
then
what
is
it
so
we
deserve.
Our
constituents
deserve
answers.
If
it's
not
a
four
cent,
a
gallon
gas
tax
or
whatever
it
is.
If
it's
a
reallocation
of
money,
then
what
is
it
and
I
think
we
need
answers
to
those
questions
over
the
next
couple
of
weeks
at
the
most
so
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
turn
that
over
to
mr.
Gleason
Thank.
G
You,
mayor
and
council
to
piggyback
off
of
some
of
the
comments
that
the
mayor
just
did
make
I
feel
that
staff
was
directed
to
make
this
presentation
tonight
and
then
the
next
one
that
we'll
see
here
in
a
few
minutes,
but
there's
a
number
of
things
that
I
want
to
share,
not
to
steal
any
of
public
works.
Director
Jim
Koch
is
Thunder.
If
you
will,
it's
just
emphasized
exactly
what
we're
talking
about
tonight.
One
thing
that
you'll
notice
up
on
the
slide.
You
see
asphalt
and
concrete.
G
You
don't
see
the
word
roads
because
we're
talking
about
asphalt
and
concrete
projects
that
also
include
sidewalks,
there's
a
number
of
things
that
I'm
going
to
assume,
and
it's
can
be
dangerous
to
assume
that
some
of
this
has
been
clearly
communicated
to
the
council
and
moreso
the
community,
but
still
the
questions
hang
out
there.
So
this
is
not
about
any
future
funding
in
the
form
of
the
local
motor
fuel
tax
that
we've
talked
about.
G
This
is
entirely
a
presentation
talking
about
how
we
have
funded
what
we
have
done
with
the
the
public
dollars
on
asphalt
and
concrete
projects
since
2014,
and
why
did
I
pick
2014?
The
significance
of
that
is
that's
when
the
local
motor
fuel
tax,
the
four
cents
that
are
in
place
now,
was
adopted
and
approved
by
council.
G
Some
of
the
comments
by
mr.
Lambert
other
comments
in
the
community.
Some
of
the
comments
from
Council
back
in
2014
or
there
abouts
and
again
Jim,
will
fill
in
these
blanks
as
I'm
sure
some
of
the
councilmembers
can
with
comments
because
you
served
at
that
time,
but
we
had
about
a
four
million
dollar
funding
from
the
general
fund
into
roads
only
at
the
time,
with
the
adoption
of
the
locomotive
fuel
tax
and
also
with
the
quarter
percent
on
the
home
rule
sales
tax
that
almost
replace
that
you
know
around
the
2014-2015
time
frame.
G
G
The
other
thing
that
you've
heard
public
works
director
carts
mentioned
the
past
was
the
number
eight
point.
Five
or
eight
point.
Eight
million
dollars
is
what
it's
going
to
take
for
the
city
to
keep
its
head
above
water
ever
so
slightly,
but
above
water.
If
we
make
that
kind
of
investment
in
our
road
repairs.
Well,
then
number
now
is
six
million
that
we've
talked
about.
There's
a
pathway.
There's
there's
an
explanation
as
to
why
that
number
changed
it's
in
that
time
frame
in
between
eight
point,
eight,
and
now
it's
six
million.
G
There
was
a
Road
rating
strategy
that
changed.
We
found
that
we
were
being
a
little
bit
too
conservative
on
how
long
our
low
roads
would
last.
So
that's
something
that
has
occurred
and
maybe
that's
something
that's
been
lost
over
the
last
couple
of
years
and
taking
this
opportunity
again
to
remind
the
community
of
some
of
the
changes
you
know.
G
Something
else
that
occurred
over
the
past
couple
of
years
is
that
sidewalks
are
now
a
component
of
the
4.6
million
dollars
that
we're
spending
on
asphalt
and
concrete
in
the
current
FY
19
budget
and
then
in
the
proposed
FY
20,
but
we
have
funded
or
plugged
in
five
million
dollars.
You
shave
a
million
dollars
off
of
that
that
we
are
using
towards
a
very
aggressive,
a
very
positive
sidewalks
program,
but
that
leaves
currently
3.6
3.8
and
next
year's
proposed
budget.
It
leaves
4
million
to
get
to
that
six
million
dollar
target.
G
That
Jim
cart
says
that
we
should
be
at
just
to
keep
her
head
above
water
again
I'm
saying
things
that
Jim's
going
to
give
more
detail
to,
but
truly
it's
to
emphasize
some
of
the
numbers
and
some
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
I
guess
decisions
that
have
been
made
along
the
way
you
know
so
the
council
is
unfirm
ground.
So
with
that
said,
Jim.
H
You
city
manager,
Gleason,
mayor
and
city
council
tonight
we
will
be
telling
just
a
historical
story.
That's
really
all
we're
going
to
be
doing
revisiting
ground
we've
already
been
over,
but
that's
important
whenever
we
talk
about
issues
of
our
infrastructure,
so
one
of
the
things
to
start
off
with
is
our
rating
system.
It's
important
to
just
remind
ourselves
that
we
did
start
that
back
in
2008.
That
was
a
nationally
recognized
pavement
rating
system
from
one
to
ten
and
so
that
system.
H
Then,
once
we
completed
that
in
2010,
we
were
able
to
give
an
overall
rating
for
our
street
infrastructure.
We
do
that
block
by
block
separating
out
in
the
intersections
and
including
that
in
our
geographic
information
system.
What
you're
going
to
see
up
there
is
that
just
downward
trend-
it's
not
plummeting,
but
it
is
definitely
a
downward
trend
over
the
last
seven
years
and
our
infrastructure
specifically
associated
with
streets,
we
will
talk
bolt
as
city
manager,
Gleason
alluded
to
asphalt
and
concrete.
This
includes
both
stories
right
now.
This
is
a
streets
story.
H
Ok,
so
then,
when
we
talk
about
this
next
slide
is
one
I
know
we
will
go
back
to
because
this
is
an
important
slide
to
talk
about
it,
revenue
trends.
So
this
is
where
our
revenues
come
from
and
as
city
manager,
Gleeson
again
pointed
out,
and
even
our
resident
Gary
Lambert
said
up
until
fiscal
year.
2015
all
revenue
for
the
asphalt
and
concrete
projects
within
the
city
of
Bloomington
were
completely
general
fund
based
they
were
all
general
fund
based
it
wasn't
until
we
did
the
bond
project
you
can
see.
H
So
if
you
see
first
for
the
general
revenue
that
read,
if
we
look
at
that,
that
red
is
the
highlight
for
the
general
revenue
funding
and
then
if
we
then
shift
over
when
we
did
that
large
bond
project
in
fiscal
year
2015,
it
was
really
that
construction
year
2014
that
right
now,
what
is
not
shown
up
there?
That's
good
for
you
to
know
that
bond
repayment
of
1.2
million
dollars
annually
is
coming
out
of
the
general
fund,
so
that
is
not
being
paid
out
of
the
local
motor
fuel
tax
or
the
home
rule
sales
tax.
H
That's
coming
out
of
the
general
fund
and
that'll,
be
there
until
fiscal
year,
2024,
so
the
then
what
you'll
notice
the
transition,
just
as
we've
been
talking
about
very
clear
in
fiscal
year,
2015!
That's
when
we
implemented
the
four
cent
local
motor
fuel
tax
and
you're
gonna
notice
for
both
the
quarter,
cent
home
rule
sales
tax
and
the
local
motor
fuel
tax,
the
existing
one
that
that
first
year,
they're
implemented
they're,
not
full.
H
You
know
they
weren't
a
fully
funding
system,
so
so
they
did
take
one
year
to
ramp
up,
and
that
does
take
about
60
days
is
what
we've
been
told
for
the
state
to
get
us.
Those
funds
to
start
coming
in
so
you'll
see
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
and
you'll
also
notice
over
time,
a
delay
on
when
those
funds
are
spent,
because
you
know
we
are
planning
as
a
department
for
some
of
that
spending
to
occur
earlier
on.
So
we
might
have
missed
that
planning
window
so
as
you'll
also
notice.
H
At
the
end,
the
yellow
that
is
there
are
times
when
we
have
more
revenue
come
in.
That
was
originally
anticipated.
That's
wonderful!
We
have
more
sales
tax
revenue
come
in
the
following
year.
We
can
then
put
additional
dollars,
as
you
see
this
coming
year,
we're
proposing
additional,
almost
$400,000
in
our
infrastructure
because
of
additional
revenues
that
came
in
what.
A
If
I
could
just
ask
you
a
question
and
I
know
the
answer
to
the
question,
but
I
wonder
in
from
your
perspective,
if
you
could
state
it
for
the
public
record,
what
happened
to
our
four
million
dollars
in
the
general
fund,
because,
right
now
we
don't
have
I
mean
we
are
putting
1.2
million
or
whatever
the
debt
service
is
a
1.1
1.2
million
for
the
street
resurfacing
10-year
bond.
And
since
that
was
what
we
were
using
to
pave
our
streets,
we
got
a
bond
and
we
got
a
four
cent,
a
gallon
gas
tax.
H
I
was
a
director
at
the
time
and
then
I
also
went
back
and
spoke
with
the
then
director,
patty
lynn,
silva
who's.
You
know
still
working
with
us,
and
so
she
had
talked
about
historically,
that
was
when
we
had
some
very
negative,
anticipated
fund
balances,
and
so
because
of
that,
the
some
changes
the
elected
body
chose
to
do
to
fill
that
and
the
city
city
administration
made
those
choices
during
that
time
that
didn't
change
our
professional
recommendation
on
needs
for
streets,
but
overall
of
the
city,
those
decisions
had
to
be
made
so.
H
H
Thank
you,
okay.
So
continuing
on
the
next
slide,
you're
going
to
notice
with
asphalt
and
concrete,
there
are
the
same
columns
they're
put
in
the
same
place.
They
are
there
we're
doing
this
to
highlight,
for
you,
the
fiscal
year
per
fiscal
year,
how
the
money
that
was
coming
out
for
we
say
streets.
It
wasn't
just
that
many
people
assume
it's
just
for
streets.
H
That's
why
we
say
asphalt
and
concrete
you're
gonna
see
the
combination
of
the
the
concrete
for
the
sidewalks
is
in
red
and
then
the
blue
is
where
we
have
more
of
the
asphalt
for
our
streets.
We
just
want
to
highlight
that,
because
many
times
that
gets
lost
in
the
conversation
as
we
continue
on,
then
we
talk
about
another
key
item
of
change
that
happened
back
in
fiscal
year
2015
there
started
to
be
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
taken
out
of
our
motor
fuel
tax
fund.
H
That
is
a
state
motor
fuel
tax
line,
the
very
important
to
differentiate
that
between
the
local
motor
fuel
tax
and
the
state
motor
fuel
tax.
We
get
about
1.8
million
dollars
in
state
local
motor
state,
motor
fuel
tax
and
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
out
of
that
started
to
go
toward
our
street
lighting
expenses.
Why?
That
was
a
decision
made
at
that
point
again
to
try
to
fill
that
gap?
Administration
made
the
decision
to
make
that
recommendation
to
Council
to
fill
that
gap.
H
Using
this
there
were
some
changes
with
our
agreements
with
the
utility
companies
such
that
the
money
that
we
would
get
from
the
utility
companies
for
them
being
in
our
right-of-way
used
to
go
to
offset
those
street
lighting
costs.
Those
went
into
the
general
fund
and
the
motor
fuel
tax
funds
were
used
to
offset
those
expenditures
completely
able
to
do
that
in
state
law.
H
So
we
were
able
to
use
the
state
motor
fuel
taxes
for
that
purpose,
but
that
did
lessen
the
amount
of
we
had
toured
our
large
capital
projects,
ones
that
we've
completed
like
the
Linden
Street
bridge,
project
of
the
Towanda
barns
Ireland,
Grove,
Road
intersection
project
or
the
upcoming
projects
of
Hamilton
Road
Bundy,
Commerce,
Fox,
Creek,
Road
bridge.
All
of
those
projects
are
supplemented
or
paid
for
in
their
entirety,
with
state
motor
fuel
tax.
H
All
of
the
revenue
from
the
home
room
home
rule
sales
tax
and
the
local
motor
fuel
tax
have
gone
to
asphalt
and
concrete
projects.
You're
going
to
see
that
that's
important
too,
to
really
delineate-
and
let
you
see
okay,
so
this
slide
up
here
is
shows
the
street
resurfacing.
The
pavement
resurfacing
that
we've
done
since
fiscal
year,
2014
all
across
the
city,
all
across
our
community.
We've
done
a
lot
of
different
projects
you
can
see
that
by
year.
In
the
same
token,
we
have
expanded
and
been
testing
and
trying
out
our
pavement
preservation
program.
H
We've
done
extensive
work
on
that.
We
started
that
back.
Even
in
2007
we
started
some
pilots
and
again
I
would
just
in
the
inch
for
the
purpose
of
transparency.
In
2014,
we
tried
some
bigger
work
on
that
and
had
some
issues
in
April
of
2014.
It
was
it
got
too
oily.
It
got
too
dusty.
We've
then,
since
fixed
and
made
a
lot
of
changes
since
then,
so
the
the
lime
dust
that
was
used
as
now
it's
chips.
The
time
of
year
is
important.
The
mix
is
a
little
different.
H
Many
communities
have
really
looked
to
Bloomington
and
are
starting
to
do
this
type
of
treatment,
because
it
is
ten
cents
on
the
dollar,
and
you
can
really
stretch
the
life
of
the
pavement.
When
we
talk
about
being
able
to
lower
the
overall
professional
recommendation
on
an
annual
basis
of
our
needs,
we
have
to
very
much
expand
our
pavement
preservation
program,
or
that
is
not
an
accurate
lowering
of
that
estimate.
So
as
we
continue
on,
we
look
at
our
sidewalk
work
when
we
look
at
our
sidewalks
again,
a
city
manager
Gleason
pointed
this
out.
H
This
is
this:
is
our
piece
of
infrastructure?
That's
the
right.
Trajectory
we
are
in
this
next
year
will
be
your
4
of
a
10-year
master
plan
that
will
get
us
as
a
community
in
the
right
direction.
We
are
really
making
some
great
inroads.
This
is
something
we've
talked
about
a
lot
when
we
always
say
award
winning
I
just
want
to
remind
you
again
in
2015
it
was
a
management
Innovation
Award
through
the
APWU,
a
state
chapter
that
was
put
up
for
federal
for
the
whole
country
wide
out
of
our
chapter.
They
recommended
that
master
plan.
H
Why?
Because
nobody
out
there
at
that
point
had
really
national
ratings
for
sidewalks.
Our
staff
did
that
totally
in-house
internally.
So
a
great
program,
our
council
currently
is
fully
funding.
Our
sidewalk
master
plan
we're
making
great
inroads
on
a
lot
of
our
ATA
needs
in
the
community
as
well.
So
in
summary,
then,
to
close
up
there's
a
few
different
comments
that
too
just
focus
on
revisit
one
more
time.
Our
road
bond
work
that
was
done
in
fiscal
year,
2015,
that's
being
paid
currently
out
of
the
general
fund.
H
This
year,
you
see
almost
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
three
hundred
and
sixty
three
thousand
dollars
additional.
That's
carryover
from
extra
revenue
this
last
year.
So
we
it's
last
year's
revenue
carried
forward.
We
we
can't
do
that.
Last
minute.
We
already
have
a
lot
of
the
roads
plans.
We
take
last
year's
extra
revenue
and
apply
that
to
this
year's
and
then
the
last
one.
Is
there
the
additional
money
we
get
from
the
old
estate,
the
federal
those
type
of
things?
There's
there
wasn't
a
lot
of
money
that
we
are
losing.
H
We
are
going
for
grade
crossing
separate
a
funds
for
grade
crossing
funds
from
the
Fox
Creek
Road
project,
we're
utilizing
those
funds,
we're
utilizing
surface
transportation,
urban
dollars.
Those
are
federal
dollars.
Eighty
percent
of
that
going
toward
the
Hamilton
Road
bunda
commerce
project,
so
we're
utilizing
and
really
trying
to
capitalize
on
any
outside
of
our
community
grants
federal
funding
that
we
can
to
get
our
share
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
losing
out
on
some
of
that
on
that
revenue
that
we
have.
G
A
I
could
just
also
to
remind
people,
you
know
for
the
record.
Obviously
the
council
knows-
and
you
know,
and
others
do,
but
that
there
are
many
of
our
roads
in
our
community-
that
our
state
roads,
much
of
Main
Street,
Veterans
Parkway
route,
9,
some
of
the
some
of
the
roads
that
are
in
the
worst
condition,
are
the
responsibility
of
I
dot
and
there
are
not
the
responsibility
of
the
city
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
throw
up
our
hands.
A
F
I
have
one
question:
I
guess
that
I
want
to
confirm
that
we
are
doing
underground
work
when
we're
doing
road
resurfacing,
so
in
in
some
of
our
older
parts
of
town,
then
it's
not
simply
resurfacing,
but
you've
got
a
layer
on
from
different
funding
sources
to
literally
rebuild
from
the
underground
up.
There's.
H
About
six
years
ago
now,
we've
taken
a
block
by
block
mentality.
So
every
time
we
look
to
do
resurfacing,
we
really
try
to
do
the
best
we
can
to
televise
the
sewer
look
at,
as
you
know,
sidewalks
the
signage.
You
are
correct.
We
really
try
to
take
a
holistic
approach
so
that
when
we
get
done
with
a
block,
we
want
to
be
done
with
it
for
about
20
years.
We
really
try
to
do
everything
we
need
to
do.
I.
F
F
I've
heard
suggestions
that
we
might
separate
regular
diesel
from
non
unleaded
gasoline
and
you
know
what
does
that
look
like
in
terms
of
funding
I've
heard
suggestions
that
we
have
a
very
specific
sunset
around
us
that
we
try
it
for
a
year
or
two
years.
Let
the
public
see
what
we're
capable
of
doing
and
then
move
it
forward,
and
those
are
questions
I'm
getting
I'm
sure
others
are
getting
the
same
and
probably
more
it.
A
Could
just
if
I
could
just
add
to
that,
since
it's
appropriate,
it
could
even
be
that
it's
contingent
upon
normal
deciding
on
it,
although
when
we
went
first
last
time
four
years
ago,
there
was
no
difference
in
price.
In
the
four
penny
we
went
first
across
the
street.
It
was
the
same
price
you
know
as
in
Bloomington,
but
you
know
we
could,
without.
A
A
Sorry
I
didn't
mean
to
imply
that
in
any
insight,
it's
criticism,
it
was
just
at
that
time
we
didn't
see
any
difference
of
all
the
international
political
factors,
economic
factors
that
influence
the
price
of
gas,
four
cents,
four
cents
on
the
you
know,
penny
gas
tax.
The
thing
the
other
thing
about
the
gas
tax
is
thirty
percent
of
it
is
paid
for
by
people
who
do
not
live
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
but
yet
they
drive
on
our
roads
and
so.
I
A
F
J
You
and
I
want
to
start
by
saying
thank
you
to
mr.
karge
and
mr.
Gleason
for
this
presentation.
I
think
that
the
way
you
have
presented
me
of
evening
really
lends
itself
well
to
a
good
conversation
about
many
of
the
things
that
we
as
a
council
and
as
a
community,
need
to
decide
to
determine
how
to
best
to
address
street
resurfacing
in
our
community.
So
I
really
do
appreciate
that.
J
H
Two
sure
yeah
within
our
community
there
are
some
roads
with
multiple
lanes.
You
know
Oakland
Avenue
and
different
stretches.
Washington
different
stretches.
Some
of
our
some
of
our
major
roads
and
different
places
have
more
than
one
lane
to
them.
So
centerline
miles
will
be
less
than
your
your
Lane
miles,
and
so
it's
actually
about
810
Lane
miles.
We
just
rounded
to
a
nice,
easy
800,
so
so
that
is
that
sense.
The
difference
of
that
thank.
J
H
A
2.3
million
dollars,
but
again
that
has
you
can
even
look
at
our
slide.
It
has
you
know
it
can
vary
that
can
vary
over
time.
So
again
you
can
see
2.3
within
two.
You
know
you
can
see
up
on
the
screen
a
little
bit
one
one
year.
It
was
actually
two
point,
four
nine
for
a
million
dollars,
so
it
2.3
is
a
good
estimate.
Okay,.
J
And
youth
you
sent
during
your
presentation
that
when
it
comes
to
home
real
sales,
tax
and
local
motor
fuel
tax,
100%
of
the
funds
generated
by
those
taxes
are
going
towards
asphalt
and
concrete
projects.
Can
you
clarify
that
as
it
pertains
to
the
home
real
sales
tax,
because
I
think
it's
one
more
complicated
than
that?
Isn't
it
it.
H
Is
so
the
home
rule
sales
tax
is
that
one
is
goes
toward
so
again.
A
finance
director,
Scott
Rathlin,
can
correct
me
because
some
of
that
language
in
both
the
ordinance
can
be
can
be
tricky
with
together.
We
say
we
are
fine
spending
them
on
it.
The
local
motor
fuel
tax
is
infrastructure.
Transportation.
Infrastructure
projects
is
how
the
resolution
is
worded,
so
that
allows
for
sidewalk
and
Street
work
to
be
done.
J
I
mean
in
terms
of
what
you
meant
by
that,
because
we
had
allocated
certain
amount
of
that
particular
tax
increase
to
other
uses,
so
I
wanted
to
clarify
that
has
not
been
diverted
everything
as
still
as
it
we
said,
it
was
okay
and
mr.
Gleason
quoted
a
number
that
we're
looking
at
something
in
the
area
of
around
six
million
dollars
per
year
in
resurfacing.
Cost
to
stay
where
we
are
is.
H
And
again,
that
is
a
number
that's
indicative
of
not
just
the
mill
and
Phil.
What
we're
talking
about
is
also
significantly
increasing.
Our
pavement
preservation
program
in
the
intent
of
that
is
to
try
to
because
we've
talked
about
many
times
before
stretch
the
life
of
our
the
streets
whenever
you
resurface
them,
so
you
know,
and
the
only
one
of
the
only
ways
you
can
start
gaining
ground
is
to
stretch
life
like
you
do
on
a
car.
H
If
you
didn't
do
enough
oil
changes
on
a
car,
the
car
will
fail
sooner
same
thing
with
your
street
by
doing
pavement
preservation.
You
stretch
the
life
of
your
street
by
doing
a
series
of
pavement
preservation
treatments
over
the
life
of
that
street,
and
so
the
intention
of
that
program
is
to
say
we
are
slightly
declining
now
with
that
revenue
at
about.
You
know
three
point:
six
to
four
million
dollars
in
that
range.
We
are
saying
you
know
that,
based
upon
some
of
what
we're
seeing,
that's
why
we
are
making
that
projection.
J
And
that
was
going
to
be
my
follow-up
question,
and
that
is
how
much
of
variation
here
is
tolerable,
because
I
mean
we're
looking
at
a
very
small
number
of
years.
If
we
continued
this
out
over
a
10-year
period,
what
do
we,
what
confidence
level
that
we
would
can
do?
We
have
that?
We
would
continue
to
see
a
decline
because
I
assume
from
year
to
year,
depending
on
the
the
projects
that
are
conducted
there
will
be
fluctuations
in
this
payment
rating
scale.
That.
H
Absolutely
could
be
the
case.
We
I
don't
have
a
hundred
percent
confidence
that
our
numbers
are
able
to
year
after
year
be
spot
on
again.
What
we're
using
these
numbers
for
these
numbers
come
from
the
a
person
drive
industry,
giving
a
recommend
doing
it
for
10
years,
so
I
feel
very
comfortable
with
the
rating
they
give
it,
but
then
that
is
turned
into
an
Excel
spreadsheet.
That
does
projections.
Now
it's
not
a
lot
of
metrics
that
are
that
are
projected
out
there.
So
it
is
D.
It
is
a
good.
H
It
is
a
good
estimate,
but
it
is
just
that
it
is
not
definitive
so
you're
right.
There
probably
are
some
tools
out
there,
and
that
was
one
of
the
things
that
the
council
was
approving
for
us
in
January
to
look
at
some
some
better
software
to
allow
us
some
some
better,
a
data
analysis.
So
we
are
looking.
We
do
want
that.
So
we
feel
good
about
this
estimate,
but
it
is
not.
It
is
not.
You
know
we're
doing
the
best
we
can
with
the
data
that
we
have
so.
J
H
Is
something
that
staff
you
probably
as
a
council
remember
multiple
times
as
a
city
department?
We
have
brought
recommendations
to
you,
we
brought
them
and
that's
where
I
actually
had
some
sheets
in
the
back
that
had
you
know
a
lot
of
different
estimates.
We
used
eight
point.
Five,
eight
point:
eight,
but
I
had
stuff
from
twelve
ten
twelve
million
dollars
a
year,
ten
million
dollars
a
year.
Eight,
it
just
depends
on
what
the
question
was
and
because
it's
are
we
trying
to
catch
up.
H
Are
we
trying
to
what
is
their
service
level
rating
that
we're
trying
to
hit
as
a
council?
We
we
don't,
have
it
defined
a
level
of
service
and
set
by
the
City
Council
for
our
streets
staff?
We
brought
a
recommendation
in
the
past
of
having
a
tiered
system,
but
again
that
is
something
that
it
is
still
out
there.
So
we
are
basing
it
off
of
as
a
staff.
J
H
H
This
is
saying
is
that
for
the
totality
of
square
yards
in
the
city
of
Bloomington,
it
is
not
differentiating
between
the
type
of
street.
It
is
the
the
aggregate
overall
total
for
all
of
the
square
yards
within
the
pavement
of
the
city
of
Bloomington
is
a
six
point.
Zero
eight
rate
out
of
ten
was
on
a
one
to
ten
scale.
Okay,.
J
J
Because
this
one
to
me
is
very,
very
interesting
and
I'll
summarize,
where
I'm
going
with
all
these
randomly
seeming
questions
in
a
moment,
but
this
one's
very
interesting
to
me,
because
there
has
been
clearly
a
significant
shift
in
our
funding
model
for
streets
resurfacing
and
then
in
and
of
itself,
is
you
know
there
are?
Opinions
can
vary
on
whether
that's
a
good
thing
or
a
bad
thing,
or
whether
we
should
do
that
or
shouldn't.
J
But
what
I
would
say
in
seeing
this
is
I
think
that
we
need
to
be
better
as
a
as
a
city
in
being
transparent
about
these
types
of
shifts
and
be
and
be
more
transparent
to
residents.
So
I'm,
really
that's.
Why
I'm
really
glad
that
this
information
is
being
presented
in
this
way,
because
this
is
an
opportunity
now
for
us
to
educate
our
residents
about
where
the
funding
is
coming
from
and
how
we're
funding
this
particular
need
within
our
community
and
I.
J
Think
it's
I
think
perhaps
well
no
I'm,
not
even
gonna,
say
perhaps
I
think
we
absolutely
could
have
done
a
better
job
overall
in
being
more
transparent
about
that,
because
I
think
the
problem
now
is
many.
People
would
say
that
this
funding
shift
is
not
consistent
with
what
our
aspirations
were
and
I
know
I'm
talking
to
you.
This
is
just
a
general
statement.
J
This
is
not
directed
at
you
and
and
that's
where
I
think
that
as
a
as
a
administration
and
as
a
City
Council,
we
can
and
should
do
better
in
being
clear
about
whether
or
not
reality
is
matching
aspirations,
because
I
think
without
a
doubt,
because
I
went
back
and
reviewed
over
the
weekend.
The
minutes
from
the
meeting
where
the
City
Council-
and
this
was
before
me
for
my
memory-
is
a
little
fuzzy,
but
I
went
back
and
looked
at
it
I
think
reading
those
meeting
minutes.
J
Clearly,
the
aspiration
was
that
the
ten
million
dollar
bond
was,
in
addition
to
current
funding
levels.
Now
that
didn't
happen
and
I'm
not
saying
that
there
is
a
problem
that
didn't
happen.
Obviously
we
had
to
deal
with
the
Financial
Times
as
they
came,
but
I
think
it's
important
now
to
discuss
this
and
that's
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
getting
to
with
some
of
these
questions.
I've
been
asking
is
I.
Think
we
as
a
council
and
we
as
a
community,
need
to
have
a
broader
conversation
about
what
our
expectations
are.
J
What
do
we
want
is
is
a
is
a
six
average.
Is
that
the
level
of
service
that
is
acceptable
for
them
for
the
majority
of
our
community?
And
if
so,
how
much
will
that
cost
and
it
sounds
like
that's
our
best
estimates
it'll
cost
about
six
million
dollars
a
year,
and
is
that
a
level
of
service
that
will
be
satisfied
with
how
much
will
it
cost
and
then
we
need
to
look
out.
J
How
will
we
pay
for
that
because
it's
six
million
dollars
a
year,
that's
a
very,
very
different
conversation
than
if
it
were
a
larger
number
like
18,
20,
25
million
dollars
a
year
and
and
so
to
me.
It
is
time
for
us
to
have
that
broader
conversation
about
what
we
want
as
a
community
and
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
it,
because
otherwise,
until
we
do
that,
I
think
we'll
risk.
J
What
has
happened
here
where
our
aspirations
are
not
matching
our
practices
and
that
that
leads
to
too
you
know
lost
opportunities,
and
it
leads
to
residents
being
dissatisfied
with
what
we
are
doing
and
that's
not
I,
don't
think
what
anyone
on
this
council
wants.
I
know
it's
not
what
staff
once
we
want
to
provide
a
good,
consistent
level
of
service.
J
So
for
me,
after
reviewing
this
information,
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
that
broader
conversation,
because
we
need
to
come
to
terms
with
the
fact
that
streets
are
a
financial
liability
and
we
need
to
treat
them
as
such
and
figure
out
what
our
aspirations
are
and
how
we're
going
to
pay
for
it
and
then
I.
This
becomes
a
very
simple
conversation,
not
easy,
because
these
decisions
are
never
easy,
but
it
is
simple
because
the
data
will
lead
us
to
it
to
a
specific
conclusion.
Possibly
but
and
I
would
also
I.
J
On
top
of
that-
and
this
is
the
final
thing
I'll
say,
I
would
further
suggest
that
we're
very
fortunate
that
we
now
have
a
transportation
commission
that
I
know
has
already
initiated
some
of
these
conversations
in
order
to
be
an
asset
in
an
aid
to
council,
to
have
this
broader
conversation
and
to
bring
to
us
what
are
the
options
and
how
do
we
move
forward?
So
I
simply
would
say
that
I
think
that
we
need
to
have
a
broader
conversation.
Thank
you.
It.
I
You
Jim
thanks
for
putting
this
together
personally
I
wish
this
had
gone
back
to
2004,
because
my
recollection
is
there's
a
bunch
of
years
that
this
would
have
shown.
This
particular
chart
would
have
shown
at
least
one
year
of
zero
dollars
and
a
bunch
of
years
of
only
spending
$500,000
and
it
would
have
I
think
that's
a
perspective
and
the
scale
of
what
used
to
be
versus
what
we've
been
trying
to
accomplish
last
three
years
helps
tell
a
different
story
at
the
same
time.
I
So
if,
in
your
free
time,
you
ever
find
that
efforts
to
put
that
together,
I
would
appreciate
seeing
that
I
know
that
you've
got
all
kinds
of
Minecraft
to
play,
but
no
just
kidding.
Oh
so
I
do
have
a
couple
questions.
So
when
you
say
a
hundred
percent
of
the
the
money
was
spent
on
the
roads.
Does
that
include
staff
time,
and
that
is
was
there
when
we
shifted
money
from
general
fund
and
we
went
to
the
other
funding
mechanisms.
Were
there
any
staff
time
shifted
into
the
funding
for
this
portion
here
so.
H
I
What
I
thought
I
just
want
to
clarify
because
I
was
asked
that
question
today.
So
thank
you,
one
of
the
just
a
couple
of
random
follow-up
questions
is
we
got
an
email
this
afternoon
asking
about
test
pavement
over
on
Clinton
bulb,
and
you
said
that
there
was
a
great
story
to
be
told
there
so
now
Jim,
here's
your
it.
H
Is
that's:
that's
a
lob.
It
really
is
a
great
story
to
be
told
because
North
Clinton
Boulevard
they
paved
the
I
dot
at
the
time
back
in
in
the
day
paved
it
using.
The
regular
asphalt
that
is
was
used
all
throughout
the
city
and
southbound
clinton
was
paved
using
stone,
matrix
asphalt
and
at
the
time
that
was
not
a
common
mix
and
still
really
isn't
very
common,
fried
out
to
use,
and
it's
held
up
exceedingly
well
and
over
the
years
the
city
has
used
its
a
different
type
of
asphalt.
H
It's
got
more
rock
in
it,
and
so
we
actually
use
that
now
in
all
of
our
major
roads,
and
so
the
good+
story
is
that
I
was
like
we
agree
with
you:
we've
we've.
We
have
found
and
held
the
same
performance
to
be
true,
and
so
we've
been
modifying
our
our
practices
according
to
what
we
see
out
in
the
field.
Okay,.
I
I
I
think
that
we've
run
into
an
issue
over
the
last
few
years
where
we
try
to
make
wider
lanes,
because
people
feel
safer
in
wider
lanes
and
then
the
impact
of
that
is
people
go
faster
because
they
feel
safe
sure,
and
so,
as
I
think
that
continuing
the
push
to
keep
the
lane
width
down
will
help
not
only
with
speeding,
but
it
should
actually
make
it
so
that
it's
less
expensive
to
maintain
going
forward.
It
sounds
reasonable
right.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
a
proposal,
and
I
think
I've
asked
you
this
before
as
a
follow
up
you
and
shared
a
story
with
me
that
you
were
proposing
leasing,
a
smaller,
paving
machine
that
we
could
do
more
repairs
to
the
streets
on
a
smaller
scale
than
having
to
go
four
fold,
some
of
the
full-size
lane
with
machines.
What's
going
on
with
that
or
what's
the
status
on
that
there's.
H
Not
been
any
forward
progress
on
that
at
all,
there
was
something
that
our
staff
had
put
together.
It
was
probably
a
year
and
a
half
ago.
This
point,
maybe
that
there
we
were
trying
to
look
at
other
options,
trying
to
find
any
way
that
we
could,
as
a
community
brainstorming,
throwing
things
out
there
trying
to
find
ways
to
extend
and
expand
our
dollars
on
street
resurfacing
and
so,
and
we
had
put
together
a
package
looked
at
some
different
equipment.
H
It
really
is
a
priority
of
priority,
a
prioritization
and
trying
to
find
bodies
and
the
needed
staff
to
be
able
to
to
do
work
in-house,
and
so
those
are
always
things
we're
open
to.
We
think
a
lot
of
our
folks
who
do
the
work,
and
so
it's
just
for
us.
So
it's
always
a
matter
of
trying
to
find
the
right
prioritization
of
our
existing
employees.
So.
H
Would
look
like
just
that
right
there
and
probably
as
I
recall,
probably
the
majority
of
the
majority
of
cami
I'd
see
a
manager
listen
to
how
if
they
want
to.
If
the
council
wants
to
put
forth
to
request
something
of
the
staff,
my
understanding
is,
they
have
to
you
know
you
can
do
through
the
council
request
process
I.
I
Mean
do
we
have
estimated
payment
number
or
what
that
would
cost,
because
my
understanding
is
this
would
give
us
the
ability
to
do
instead
of
doing
a
full
wayne
lane
with
repair
on
a
street.
We
could
go
through
a
section.
It's
like
we've
got
the
center
line
and
it's
just
completely
torn
up
with
potholes.
We
could
fix
a
maybe
a
three
foot
wide
section
or
a
four
foot
wide
instead
of
10
foot
wide
part.
H
Of
the
issue
that
we
came
into
before
was
staff,
you
know
there
was
some
hesitancy
to
a
you
know
to
add
to
add
full-time
staff
to
look
at
that.
But
but
again
we
can.
We
can
revisit
this.
This
is
in
full
transparency,
not
something
I
have
talked
to
city
manager
Gleason
about
so
definitely
not
something
in
a
public
meeting
that
is
wonderful
to
tell
your
city
manager
about
so
yes,
but
it's
been
a
while
we'll
have
to
revisit
those
numbers
and
I'll
have
to
Oh
city
manager,
Gleason
apology
later
that
for
that.
I
Yeah,
sorry
to
spring
that
one
on
you
Tim,
but
I,
just
when
you
you
brought
it
up
to
me,
I
thought
it
was
just
a
really
interesting
concept
of
being
able
to
have
some
of
the
machinery
inside
of
you.
Those
smaller
scale
repairs
instead
of
the
full
scale,
repairs
that
you
know
we
might
only
get
to
an
area
one
side
of
every
15
years,
but
could
we
take
the
smaller
machinery
in
to
an
area
and
do
a
quick
fix?
I
So
you
know
those
are
obviously
not
long
good
long
term
fixes
it's
only
until
we
can
get
warmer
weather
to
put
hot
mix
in
there
and
that's
still
not
a
great
one,
because
the
plows
are
probably
gonna
pull
those
up
the
first
time
it
snows
next
year,
so
I
would
be
interested
in
more
information
on
what
that
looks
like,
and
how
do
we
push
that
that
particular
project
forward
and
with
that
I
think
I'll?
Stop.
I
C
You
and
hopefully,
I,
don't
go
into
a
coughing
question,
but
I
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
a
conversation
that
you
and
I
had.
This
is
based
on
a
question
that
I
received
actually
wasn't
a
question.
It
was
a
statement
and
a
complaint
from
another
resident
talking
about
the
quality
of
work.
That's
done
on
the
roads,
not
necessarily
from
staff,
but
you
know
from
contractors
and
and
they
said
the
reason
why
the
road
deteriorate
is
because
the
quality
of
the
work.
H
H
That's
one
common
thing
that
you'll
see
after
the
fact,
but
a
change
that
we
have
made
I
trying
to
think
of
it's
probably
been
about
seven
years.
We
have
an
engineering
technician
that
whenever
we
mill
they
actually
run
trucks
over
the
top
of
it
to
see.
Are
there
soft
spots?
Are
there
areas
that
are
going
to
give?
So
even
it
looks
okay?
Are
we
gonna
have
problems
once
we
resurface
it,
so
we're
doing
more
work,
not
just
mil
and
Phil
go
right
back
over
the
top
of
it.
H
C
You
know
they'll
see
potholes,
you
know
and
oftentimes
people
travel
the
same
path
and
if
all
they
see
is
potholes
they're
going
to
assume
that
the
work
is
not
getting
done
so
I.
You
know
I
I'm,
really
curious
how
we're
going
to
manage
people's
expectations
in
that
regard,
any
anything
you
can
offer
in
terms
of
that
that.
H
Is
a
tough
one,
because
in
the
reality
you
know
even
no
matter,
there's
there's
enough
roads
that
we
have
to
keep
up
with
and,
as
the
mayor
alluded
to,
there's
a
lot
of
state
routes
to
that
the
city
gets
blamed
for,
to
which
there
are
extensive,
potholes
that
it
for
the
work
that
we
would
take
for
the
larger
the
larger
work
needed
to
get
done.
It
takes
a
lot
of
effort
and
that's
not
a
one-year
project.
H
G
Where
we're
talking
about
the
projects
that
have
been
completed,
you
know
even
potentially
recognize
the
companies
that
have
assisted
you
know
bid
on
the
contracts,
but
as
far
as
during
the
construction
season,
we're
gonna
have
a
link
on
the
website.
That's
going
to
have
tons
of
pictures.
This
is
what
it
looked
like
in
June.
This
is
now
what
it
looks
like
in
July
and
have
even
considered
signage.
C
C
You
know
I
tend
to
think
that
that
would
go
a
long
way.
You
know
it
could
even
be
three
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
whenever
we
can.
You
know
but
I
think
that
would
go
a
long
way
in
trying
to
to
re-establish
that
credibility
and
doing
the
right
thing.
If
we
initially
said
that
this
is
what
we're
going
to
do,
regardless
of
the
tough
times
that
we
face
back
then
no.
This
doesn't
my
few
comments.
Okay,.
A
D
D
So
my
question
relates
to
the
faith
pact
that
we
know
that
gasoline
consumption
may
be
falling
in
the
future
due
to
the
emergence
of
fully
electric
and
hybrid
vehicles.
So
has
there
been
a
study
or
a
proposal
of
funding
sources
that
represent
capturing
the
electric
vehicles
and
hybrid
vehicle
market.
H
At
this
point,
staff
is
not
alderman
Bray.
At
this
point,
staff
is
not
aware
of
studies
out
there
to
this
effect.
I
had
done
a
master's
program
and
one
of
them
was
looking
at
some
of
these
different
types
of
user
fee
based
systems
and
said
so.
This
was
one
to
where
a
lot
of
people
are
talking
about
it
and
there
might
be
some
studies
at
this
point
on
it,
but
more
mile
based
you
know,
you
know,
use
taxes
but
again
at
this
point,
I'm
not
aware
of
any
actively
but.
A
That,
just
just
as
an
FYI
all
the
woman
braids
that
did
come
up
and
all
of
my
math
he
was
with
us.
If
you
call
us
any
of
that,
did
come
up
in
our
one
voice
trip
to
Washington
at
least
just
the
inadequacy
of
the
current
formula
of
the
motor
for
the
federal
motor
fuels
tax,
and
so
there
probably
are,
but
nobody
cited
any
as
I
recall,
I'm.
Sorry,
all
the.
D
A
K
You
know
I,
remember
being
on
the
county
board
in
the
transportation
committee,
and
they
were.
This
would
have
been
gotten
ten
years
ago
now
talking
about
how
the
state
was
looking
into
at
that
point,
I'm
putting
GPS
devices
in
everybody's
car
and
then
was
going
to
bill
everybody
based
on
their
mile
and
what
kind
of
car
they
drove.
K
Now
that
hasn't
come
to
pass,
but
I
don't
think
that
probably
is
too
far
away
because
I
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
down
the
rabbit
hole
on
motor
fuel
tax,
but
fuel
economy
is
rising,
which
means
that
these
revenues
are
going
to
fall
and
it
goes
back
to
kinda.
We
had
a
conversation
a
couple
months
ago
about
telecom
tax
and
how
few
people
have
landlines
and
we're
going
to
be
facing
we're
going
to
be
sitting
here
five
years
from
now
six
years
from
now.
K
Some
point
down
the
road
trying
to
come
up
with
the
way
to
fund
streets
because
our
formula
is
fundamentally
flawed.
So
it's
difficult
for
me
because
I
remember.
This
is
part
of
the
conversation
in
2014
and
and
I.
The
naivety
I
had
at
the
time
was
that
10
million
dollars
is
gonna,
make
the
biggest
splash
and
do
a
lot,
but
I
mean
it
really
didn't.
You
know
we
can
look
at
the
numbers
here
and
how
we've
we've
paid
for
it
and
I'm
proud
that
we've
increased
our
funding.
I
mean
Jamie's
right.
K
You
know
when
I,
if
you
go
back
to
that
slide
with
Jim,
if
you
don't
mind
with
the
the
rating,
is
that
one
yeah
I
mean
this
graph
doesn't
really
tell
me
a
whole
lot?
You
know
it
just
it's
really
zoomed
in
what
I
would
find
to
be
more
interesting
as
if
this
were
not
just
the
average
of
the
square
yardage
of
the
city,
but
four
key
areas
so
I
think
of
like
our
historic
core
and
what
the
street
ratings
are
in
the
historic
core
versus
say
some
of
the
other
parts
of
our
community.
K
K
Whatever
the
number
is
I'm,
not
sure
that
it's
ever
going
to
make
the
splash
that
I
think
the
public
would
really
like
it
into
too
Amelia's
point
the
expectations
and
of
what
people
think
they're
gonna
get
versus
what
they
may
get
are
that
could
be
misaligned,
so
I,
don't
know
what
value
I'm
at
in
the
conversation
than
to
say
that
this
is
a
tough
one,
because
there's
never.
There
will
never
be
enough
funding
to
streets
and
I.
K
K
If
I'm,
looking
at
my
crystal
ball,
I
would
imagine
fewer
people
on
the
roads
in
the
next
10
to
15
years,
you're
gonna
see
more
subscription
services
for
vehicles.
Autonomous
vehicles
are
going
to
have
an
impact
in
some
way,
shape
or
form
whether
it
hits
Bloomington
in
the
short
term.
In
the
long
term,
it's
going
to
hit
us
and
even
the
way
that
we
drive
now
versus
we
did
10
years
ago
versus
20
years
ago,
was
way,
different
and
and
and
from
where
I
said.
You
know.
K
I
know
that
the
stat
that
a
third
of
the
people
who
pay
the
motor
fuel
tax
don't
live
in
the
community,
which
is
great,
but
there
are
people
that
leaves
two
thirds
the
do
and
and
I
have
a
hard
time
buying
into
the
idea
that
that
somebody
who's
driving
a
small
fuel-efficient
vehicle
is
paying
the
same
as
someone
who's
driving.
You
know
a
gas
guzzling
and
I'll
pick
on
Hummers
a
Hummer.
So
again
the
model
is
flawed.
K
You
know
it's
kind
of
the
hand
we
were
dealt,
but
in
my
world
we
would
do
something
a
little
different,
like
maybe
a
vehicle
registration
where's,
your
car
weighs
more
you
put
more
wear
and
tear
on
the
roads.
You
pay
more
like
very
much
similar
to
the
idea
that
we
do
with
with
water,
where,
if
you
have
a
more
expense,
if
you
use
more
water,
you
pay
more.
K
You
know
my
Mazda
isn't
tearing
up
the
roads
as
much
as
someone's
f-150
and
that
debt
makes
sense
to
me
so,
but
then
again,
we'll
be
revisiting
this
again,
because
the
streets
are
going
to
continue
to
need
maintenance,
they're
going
to
continue,
need
funding
and
we're
going
to
have
fewer
people
on
the
roads,
paying
them
because
fewer
people
are
gonna
have
cars.
So
this
is
this
is
a
tough
one,
and
but
this
data
here
is
is
very
helpful.
K
It
tells
an
interesting
policy
narrative
that
we've
we've
we've
made
over
the
years
and
I
think
that
we're
in
a
crossroads
and
again
I've
mentioned
this
before
I-
always
love
when
we
have
election
time
frame,
because
this
is
where
I
want
to
hear
the
candidates.
In
this
day,
when
you
take
a
hard
look
at
the
budget,
I
don't
know
what
the
hell.
That
means,
because
here
we
are
taking
a
hard
look
at
the
budget
and
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
what
feedback
or
my
potential
future
new
colleagues
may
have.
K
A
You
very
much
it's
just
just
generally
speaking,
though
you
you
will
find
a
quarrel
except
for
the
electric
cars
you
will
find
a
correlation.
The
guy
with
the
f-150
is
paying
more
than
you
are
paying
because
they're
buying
more
gas,
but
it's
not
a
perfect
correlation.
The
other
thing
in
terms
of
misalignment
in
terms
of
how
bad
our
streets
are
I
found
out
last
week,
not
only
do
I
need
four
new
tires
and
in
alignment,
but
one
of
my
wheels
is
smashed
on
my
car.
H
A
G
Thank
You,
mayor
and
council,
this
is
another
fy2008
Scott
Rathbun.
If
you
would
work
your
way
to
the
podium,
a
couple
of
things
that
staff
was
directed
to
show
we'd
talked
about
some
of
the
staff
action
that
was
taken
that
saved
some
money
for
the
proposed
FY
20,
but
and
what
we'll
see
while
it's
a
small
number
in
comparison
to
the
larger
all
funds
budget,
it
really
made
a
significant
impact
and
what
we
are
calling
the
one
and
done
projects
and
Scott
will
talk
about
that
as
well.
G
Something
else
about
the
cash
reserve,
funding
levels
that
we
are
at
Scott's,
going
to
further
elaborate
on
something
that
truly
is
a
policy
decision
for
the
council,
while
our
funding
levels
right
now
are
about
twenty.
Twenty-One
million
dollars
that
we
project
we.
It
also
becomes
a
rating
discussion
as
well
and
the
better
the
rating
that
you
have
and
you
hit
those
targets.
The
more
you
save
on
money
when
you
bond
for
future
projects.
So
it's
one
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
there's
a
right
or
wrong
answer.
G
L
We
move
the
cashiers.
Last
year
we
had
some
things
to
work
out
and
we
work
those
out
with
Public
Works,
so
we've
kind
of
accelerated
the
timeline
on
that.
So
between
the
proposed
and
the
adopted.
We're
gonna
move
that
billing
department
into
the
general
fund,
but
we're
gonna
charge
the
enterprise
enterprise
funds
back
the
same
exact
amount,
but
that's
going
to
increase
our
general
fund
budget
by
about
$800,000.
So
just
that
kind
of
activity.
L
L
Addressing
some
of
the
questions
that
came
up
or
comments
that
came
up
a
city
manager,
Gleason
commented
during
the
proposed
one
of
the
ones,
was
related
to
Department
reductions,
just
from
a
very
high
level.
You
know
the
the
the
process
we
go
through
for
the
budget,
the
departments
they
produce
their
own
detail
budgets,
they
load
them
in
the
system
and
then
Finance
takes
over
and
we
do
the
review.
We
compare
those
two
prior,
your
actual
prior,
your
budget.
In
some
cases
we
review
those
to
the
four
year
average
we're
looking
for
variances
we're
asking
questions.
L
Then
we
balance.
Well,
we
put
in
the
revenue
revenue
projections.
Then
we
balance
the
entire
budget
and
we
see
how
much
money
we
have
or
how
much
money
we
need.
Fortunately,
this
year
we
had
money
left
over
I,
look
back
and
think
about
some
of
the
terminology,
I
use
and
calling
the
money
that
was
left
over
the
surplus
and
that
we
had
a
surplus
available
for
capital
projects.
Projects
are
a
necessary
part
of
every
budget
year,
so
I
I'd
almost
like
to
walk
that
one
back
and
not
use
that
term.
L
But
after
we
go
through
that
process,
we
have
a
certain
amount
of
money
left
hopefully,
and
we
could
apply
that
to
capital
projects,
so
we
have
facility
needs.
We
have
some
projects
that
have
grant
funding.
We
have
the
streets,
I
comment
on
the
sentence
up
there.
This
the
dollar
amount
for
the
one-and-done
projects
that
are
not
related
to
facility
streets
or
those
funded
by
grants,
was
five
hundred
thirty-five
thousand
in
this
budget.
L
So
far
we
attain
32
percent
of
that
by
just
going
back
to
the
department's
one
more
time
before
we
finalize
and
said,
can
you
review
your
budgets,
one
more
layer
of
due
diligence,
I
mean
last
year
we
went
after
him
for
two
million
dollars
in
reductions,
so
their
starting
point
prior
year
to
this
year
was
I.
Think
pretty
lean
already
and
we
asked
him
to
voluntarily
come
back,
so
we
could
do
additional
projects.
They
came
back
one
hundred
seventy
two
thousand
dollars,
which
is
32
percent
of
the
one-and-done
projects.
L
Give
you
an
idea
some
of
the
categories
there,
the
top
three,
if
you're
interested
in
departmentally,
not
not
that
there
was
a
contest
or
anything
but
I
mean
these
are
some
of
the
larger
budgets
too.
So
fire
police
and
is
fire
came
in
70
thousand
police
35
is
45.
You
know
looking
through
their
budgets,
going
through
in
great
detail,
seeing
what
they
could
offload
in
terms
of
consulting.
What
can
we
do
internally?
That's
that's
the
kind
of
effort
that
the
departments
do.
L
Another
category
we
had
a
question
on
last
time
made:
we've
made
a
big
deal
of
attempting
to
transition
away
from
using
the
capital
equipment
lease.
It
was
a
necessity
a
few
years
ago
when,
when
cash
was
tight,
as
we've
been
talking
about,
you
know,
fund
balances
are
improving.
Fortunately,
revenues
are
optimistic
about
those
cautiously
optimistic.
So
this
year
we
targeted
1.9
million
dollars
for
cash
for
equipment
instead
of
capital
lease
our
rate
was
a
little
under
4
percent.
L
One
of
the
things
I've
mentioned
previously
related
to
the
surplus
that
we're
projecting
for
2019
and
potentially
some
of
the
surplus
that
we
had
left
over
from
2018
at
the
end
of
the
year.
We
could,
you
know,
potentially
look
at
that
surplus,
the
fund
balance-
and
maybe
we
apply
some
of
that
to
the
equipment
we
purchased
during
2019,
because
we
do
the
lease
in
arrears.
We
don't
we
don't
do
the
lease
ahead
of
time,
because
we
might
borrow
more
money
than
what
we
need.
L
So
we
buy
the
equipment
we
funded
ourselves,
and
then
you
know
later
in
this
summer,
we'll
review
all
the
equipment
that
we
purchased
during
2019
and
that's
when
I'll
execute
the
capital
lease
we'll
do
it
after
the
fact.
So
that
actually
provides
us
an
opportunity
to
look
at
that
surplus.
The
fund
balance
and
potentially
go
back
and
just
transition
or
redo
those
entries
and
just
expense,
those
equipment
items
and
instead
of
applying
them
to
the
lease.
L
Just
some
information
on
the
fund
balance
not
advocating
one
way
or
the
other
as
far
as
like
the
target
away
from
our
policy
at
this
time,
but
just
some
information
related
to
levels
and
medians
and
averages
according
to
a
Moody's
report,
it's
a
little
dated,
but
it
it
showed
that
double-a
municipalities
have
fun
balance
of
21
percent.
Currently
the
city
has
a
rating
of
double-a.
L
Our
proposed
budget
fund
balance
is
twenty
point:
eight
million.
It's
nineteen
point,
six
percent,
so
we're
slightly
under
that
median
triple-a.
Municipalities
have
fun
balance
of
25
percent.
I
was
asked
by
imboca
today
and
is
a
great
question.
What
would
that
potential
difference
be
between
a
double-a
rating
and
a
triple-a
rating
as
far
as
interest
rates
on
our
borrowing?
According
to
our
financial
advisor
that
it'd
be
20
to
30
basis
points,
so
I
applied
that
to
a
50
million
right
now
we
have
65
million
dollars
in
outstanding
debt.
L
That
includes
interest
and
principal,
so
I
just
applied
it
to
fifty
million
dollars.
It's
not
a
huge
number,
but
it's
125
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
you
would
save
an
interest
over
a
ten-year
bond
20-year
bond.
You
guys
can
do
the
math
on
that
one.
Just
these
other
ones
are
just
kind
of
reciting.
Some
of
the
commonly
held
conceptions
about
fund
balance.
The
reserve
policy
should
be
considered
a
minimum
target.
We.
L
To
revisit
our
fund
balance
policy,
TFO
a
recommends
two
months
reserves
to
two
months,
divided
by
12,
that's
closer
to
17
percent
on
average
fund
balance
for
best
practices
should
be
reserved
for
use
in
emergency
situations.
One-Time
needs
such
as
one-and-done
capital
projects,
I
like
to
think
of
it
as
being
available
for
one-time
Corrections.
You
know
if
you
want
to
if
you
want
to
call
moving
away
from
the
capital,
at
least
in
a
correction
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
sick
leave,
buy
back
now
and
correcting
how
we
do
that.
L
Well,
the
potential
we
may
have
a
cast
need
with
that.
If
we
have
a
lot
of
people
taking
early
retirement,
so
our
fund
balance
could
be
used
to
correct
that
situation
as
well.
So
that's
look.
That's
one!
One
of
the
reasons
we've
got
a
really.
You
know
kind
of
hold
that
fund
balance
tight.
It's
it
is
savings
for
the
city,
you
never
know
what
may
happen
in
a
tornado,
etc,
but
it
is
there
it's
available
to
be
used.
It
just
needs
to
be
used
wisely.
Just.
A
If
I
can
grab
you
that,
would
we,
if
we,
let's
so
just
to
in
terms
of
comparative
perspective,
we're
really
not
our
fund
balance
is
healthy,
but
it's
not
necessarily
unusual.
It's
not
way
above
average,
nowhere
near
where
25%
would
be
for
a
triple-a
city
right
and
how
much
if
we
used
a
few
hundred
thousand
dollars,
I
think
as
Alma
Boca
had
suggested
I'm,
just
maybe
even
say
a
few
hundred
thousand,
but
whatever.
If
we
put
some
of
our
there's,
some
money
toward
streets
would
be
be
dinged
by
the
agencies
by
standard
poor's
and
moody's.
A
L
L
We're
not
filling
a
an
operating
hole,
a
recurring
operating
hole
by
using
our
fund
balance
and
they're
trying
to
increase
temporarily.
We
could
always
go
back
to
what
we've
been
doing
mmm-hmm.
You
know
the
four
point:
six
million
dollars
per
year,
so
you
know
these
are
just
assumptions
my
but
I.
Don't
think
they
would
review
that
negatively
mm-hm.
They.
K
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Scott
to
that
point.
This
conversation
made
me
think,
I
hear
normal
talking
a
lot
about
their
triple-a
bond
rating
and
I
just
did
a
quick,
Google
search
here
and
what
their
fund
reserve
is,
and
it's
showing
me
about
15%
so
that
more
than
that
they
have
a
higher
rating,
even
though
they're,
not
the
twenty
five
percent,
so
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
as
impactful
as
we
might
think.
L
And
that
is
fair
enough
that
that's
just
a
median
there's
I
mean
if
you
ask
the
rating
agencies
or
financial
advisers.
You
know,
and
I
was
asked
this
question
before:
how
do
we
go
from
double-a
to
triple-a?
Well,
I
was
sent
a
volume
worth
of
information.
You
know
how
to
do
that.
You
know
your
your
tax
revenues,
the
potential
for
growth.
You
know
all
that
that's
taken
into
account,
not
just
how
well
you
balance
your
budget
every
year,
so
from
normal.
L
A
K
A
You
know,
if
you're
an
investor,
you
really
don't
want
to
put
money
into
it.
Triple-A
city,
because
you're
gonna
get
less
money,
you
go
for
the
double
A's
or
those
that
are
that
are
you're
gonna,
get
your
cash
right
anyway.
Again,
it's
not
like
a
business
but
other
questions.
All
demand,
Mattie
Scott,
I,.
I
Had
a
question
of
you
know:
I
know
every
year
that
we
are
doing
something
with
the
money.
I
mean
what
what
strategies
were
doing
with
the
fund
balance
to
are
we
investing
in
t-bills
or
is
it
in
the
savings
account
I
mean?
Were
we
add
on
that?
What
expectations
of
return
are
we
getting
on
that
20
million
dollars
yeah.
L
I
Is
that
we're
something
we're
looking
at
I
mean
I'm,
not
saying
we're
going
to
invest
it
at
the
riverboat
or
anything,
but
I
mean?
Is
there
something
worth
looking
at
that
we
might
have
be
able
to
take
a
more
aggressive
investment
strategy?
You
know
I'm
we're
never
going
to
get
7%,
but
is
there
something
we
could
do
where
we
could
get
three
or
3.5
or
something?
I
You
know
a
lot
of
the
foundations
that
I've
done
or
go
for
very
conservative
investigations
are
the
best
investments
as
well
and
they're,
shooting
for
three-and-a-half
to
four
percent,
as
their
conservative
target
number
so
is
there?
Is
there
something
we
can
spend
some
time
to
look
at
and
because
that
could
make
a
significant
difference
as
well
right.
D
L
D
So
I
would
be
interested
in
having
other
discussion
about
whether
or
not
that
is
a
desired
goal,
because
I'm
also
hearing
that
when
we
have
a
better
rating
that
we
can
take
out
debt
at
a
lower
rate,
we
can
achieve
a
lower
loan
rate.
If,
if
we
wanted
to
do
any
capital
projects
so
that
that
seems
to
me,
that
would
also
be
a
reason
that
we
would
want
to
all
go
from
the
double
H
or
Triple
A
rating.
D
A
G
A
G
You
know
we're
we're
just
trying
to
get
the
information
out
be
as
transparent
as
we
possibly
can
trying
to
communicate
in
a
way
that
it's
very
clear
and
concise,
and
you
know
if
there's
a
deeper
dive
or
a
question,
that's
asked
we
can
always
do
that.
So
very
much
appreciate
the
time
that
was
given
to
us
tonight.
G
Scott
did
we
have
any
updates,
okay
and
what
I
do
have
is
for
the
March
25th
agenda,
the
upcoming
items
Mike
motika,
there
we
go
Mike
motika
is
going
to
present,
as
he
has
with
McClain
County
and
also
the
town
of
normal,
not
in
our
town
annual
report.
Also,
a
couple
of
proposed
agenda
items
is
a
third-party
vendor
that
would
provide
risk
management
and
workers.
Comp
contract
will
come
before
City
it's
a
three
year
contract
with
a
one-year
out.
A
You
very
much,
but
at
this
point
is
oh
wow.
There
are
only
two
minutes
over
budget
in
terms
of
the
time.
Ash
I
think
that's
a
little
fast.
So
is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
move
by
several
people
move
by
alderman
black
second
by
all
the
woman
Schmidt,
all
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye
all
right
and
thank
you
all
the
woman
Bray
thank.