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A
B
A
You,
okay,
we
have
no
minutes
to
approve.
Do
we
have
any
reports,
resolutions
and
Communications.
C
A
No
sorry,
thank
you.
Okay,
the
petitions
that
are
continued
to
the
January
19th
2023
hearing
are
aa-17-22
Joe,
Kemp,
Construction,
LLC
and
Blackwell
Construction
Inc
and
see
you
slash,
v-222
mark
fake
this
evening.
The
petitions
to
be
heard
are
or
is
we
have
one
petition
is
V
Dash
4622
Chris
brand?
Can
we
please
have
a
staff
report.
D
Certainly,
while
I
pulled
up
I
do
not
see.
Oh
the
person
Elliot
on
the
Zoom
call,
maybe
the
petitioner
or
may
not
be
does
that
matter
for
us
a.
A
F
D
So
I'm
Gabriel
holbrose
zoning
and
long
range
planner
for
the
city
of
Bloomington.
The
variance
request
is
for
2311
South
Rogers
Street,
that's
on
the
east
side
of
Roger
Street
in
the
Broadview
neighborhood,
the
properties
in
the
medium
residential,
medium
lot,
R2
zoning
district
and
it's
designated
in
the
2018
comprehensive
plan
as
part
of
the
mixed
Urban
residential
future
land
use
area.
The
property
formally
contained
a
single-family
detached
dwelling,
which
was
demolished
in
2015..
D
D
Here's
the
existing
front,
drive
on
Roger
Street
and
the
existing
alley
serving
the
property
from
Coolidge
Drive
in
September
2022,
the
property
received
a
building
permit
and
a
certificate
of
zoning
compliance
to
construct
a
new
detached
single-family
dwelling
in
the
R2
District,
where
there
is
access
from
an
improved
alley.
The
Udo
prohibits,
drives
and
parking
in
the
front
yard
and
requires
all
parking
to
be
off
the
alley.
D
You
can
also
see
in
this
aerial
view,
that
existing
the
existing
alley
provides
access
to
rear
yard
parking
areas
for
at
least
three
other
adjacent
homes.
So
the
petitioner
is
requesting
a
variance
to
allow
the
existing
Drive
kit
to
remain
and
to
allow
a
parking
area
in
the
front
yard.
The
size
and
dimensions
of
the
proposed
front
parking
area
are
complying
with
the
standards
of
the
Udo
that
would
apply
to
properties
without
property
without
alley
access.
This
photo
was
submitted
by
the
applicant
and
shows
the
status
of
the
driveway
in
early
November.
D
Just
really
a
side
note
since
then,
the
existing
concrete
pad
that
formerly
formerly
served
as
Frontier
parking
has
been
removed
in
anticipation
of
either
rebuilding
a
front
yard
parking
area
or
not
having
Frontier
parking
based
on
the
outcome
of
this
variance
request.
So
this
photo
just
shows
that
there's
no
longer
concrete
on
the
property
in
that
in
that
area,
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
tell,
but
that's
just
graded
dirt
in
The
View,
here's
a
photo
of
the
existing
alley.
It's
improved
with
gravel.
This
is
viewing
North
from
Coolidge
Drive.
D
The
rear
of
2311
South
Rogers
Street
is
on
the
left
after
the
shed
and
fence
which
belong
to
a
property
on
Coolidge
Drive.
The
alley
currently
provides
access
to
Railroad
parking
areas
for
at
least
three
properties,
including
2306
South,
Madison
Street,
on
the
left.
Here
you
can
see
their
garage
door,
2310,
South,
Madison,
Street
on
the
right
of
this
photograph
and
then
also
2305
South
Rogers
on
the
left
of
this
photograph.
D
So
here
are
the
findings
that
staff
recommends
for
the
first
Criterion
that
the
approval
will
not
be
injurious
to
the
community.
Our
proposed
finding
is
that
allowing
the
existing
Drive
cut
and
parking
area
to
remain
will
not
be
injurious.
Most
of
the
other
properties
along
South
Rogers
Street
in
the
Broadview
neighborhood
have
driveways
directly
on
Rogers
Street.
We
do
recognize
that
eliminating
this
existing
driveway
could
provide
some
benefits
to
the
safety
and
general
welfare
of
the
community
by
limiting
potential
vehicular
and
pedestrian
conflicts.
D
Points
and
potential
crash
points
on
this
busy
neighborhood
Connector
Road,
so
keeping
the
existing
driveway
is
missing
out
on
some
potential
benefits,
but
allowing
it
to
remain
is
just
the
current
condition.
It
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
being
injurious
for
the
second
Criterion.
Our
proposed
findings
that
approval
will
not
result
in
substantial
adverse
impacts
to
the
use
and
value
of
surrounding
properties.
The
proposed
driveway
and
parking
area
are
compliant
with
the
standards
of
the
Udo
that
apply
to
properties
without
alley.
Access
and
no
issues
have
been
raised
with
the
existing
driveway.
D
It's
when
we
get
to
the
third
Criterion
that
staff
finds
some
trouble
with
granting
the
variants
so
as
you're
are
familiar.
The
third
Criterion
requires
practical
difficulties
in
the
use
of
the
property
that
the
Practical
difficulties
are
peculiar
to
the
property
and
that
the
variants
will
relieve
the
Practical
difficulties
our
proposed
finding
is
that
no
practical
difficulty
is
found
in
the
use
of
the
property.
D
The
presence
of
the
improved
alleys
requires
vehicular
access
from
the
back,
as
it
would
for
any
other
property
in
this
situation.
Well,
most
of
the
properties
in
Broadview
derive
vehicular
access
directly
from
a
plotted
Road
at
this
location.
Three
of
the
surrounding
developed
properties
use
the
alley
on
the
east
side
for
vehicular
access,
there's
nothing
peculiar
about
this
petition
site.
Nor
is
there
an
impediment
at
the
petition
site
that
would
make
use
of
the
alley
practically
difficult.
G
D
F
I,
don't
think
it
will
take.
It
won't
take
near
that
long.
I
know
you.
You
guys
have
had
a
long
day
and
I
wanted
to
tell
Gabriel
I
appreciate
your
help
in
this
matter.
With
all
everything
we've
been
through
so
yeah,
we
I
in
the
last
couple
years,
I
built
about
three
properties
in
in
Bloomington.
This
will
be
a
comparable
home
that
I've
done
two
other
times,
and
you
know
I
I've
just
been
wanting
to
make
neighborhoods
look
nice
and
we
have
an
opportunity
to
do
that
again.
F
Along
Roger,
Street
and
I
know
that
back
I
don't
know
how.
Many
years
ago
it's
been
it's
not
been
very
long,
but
Roger
Street
was
redone
where,
like
telephone
poles
or
whatever
electricity
polls
have
been
redone,
the
driveways
and
aprons
were
redone,
looks
really
nice.
F
And
then
you
know
we
get
a
hold
of
this
lot
to
build
a
nice
home
to
improve
the
improve
the
neighborhood
because,
as
you
can
see
from
some
of
those
photos
that
Gabriel
or
whoever
had
showed
earlier,
there's
a
couple
properties
that
are
just
just
not
very
nice
properties.
And
so,
when
you
kill,
when
you
go
in
as
a
bill,
children
you're
going
to
improve
a
neighborhood,
it's
kind
of
exciting.
And
then
you
get
told
hey.
You
can't
use
your
existing
driveway.
F
You
got
to
go
in
from
the
alley
and
you
know
for
lack
of
better
words
that
Alley's
pathetic
I
mean
that
that's
just
a
horrible
way
for
a
new
homeowner
to
have
to
access
their
property
and
and
I
realize
I'm
at
the
mercy
of
whoever
decides
of
this.
But
I
just
asked
that
you
know
I
understand
if
there
was
like
maybe
a
three
block
area
where
somebody's
gonna
say
hey,
we
want
to
relieve
the
area
on
Roger
Street,
to
reduce
the
traffic
and
and
so
on.
F
I
would
understand
that,
but
to
make
this
property
an
example
seems
silly
to
me.
You
know
now
over
the
next
you
know
50
to
100
years.
There
probably
won't
be
another
one
or
two
houses,
probably
torn
down
and
redone,
where
this
would
be
applicable
and
so
to
make
me
the
example.
Just
seems
like
I
said
kind
of
silly
I
understand
why
they're
doing
it
to
a
certain
extent,
but
to
make
me
use
that
alley.
F
It's
just
not
a
nice
Allen,
as
you
can
see,
from
the
pictures
that
Ally
is
being
blocked
by
two
two
or
three
vehicles
that
are
like
abandoned
vehicles
and
I've
already
made
arrangements
with
the
neighbor
to
provide
them
free
of
charge,
with
a
huge
dumpster
to
get
rid
of
a
lot
of
their
trash
to
improve
that
area.
Not
just
build
the
new
house
that
I'm
doing
but
I'd
like
to
help
people
out
along
the
way
and
provide
them
with
the
dumpster
so
because
that
is,
it
is
really
this
horrible.
F
Again
just
seems
silly
to
me
so
yeah,
that's
that's
pretty
much.
It
I,
like
I,
said
it's
really
in
the
city
of
bloomington's,
already
spent
quite
a
bit
of
money
to
put
that
sidewalk
in
apron.
That's
already
existing
and
it
just
seems
really
silly
to
me
too.
F
You
know
and
then
for
me
to
pay
for
it
to
be
torn
out
like
in
the
in
what
Gabriel
had
presented
or
with
their
it
is
an
extra
expense
and
then
removing
concrete
is
not
cheap
and
when
it's
really,
when
it's
really
nicely
done
like
it's
done
like
it
just
seems
unfathomable
to
to
tear
it
out
and
say,
hey
use
the
alley.
I
almost
feel
like
a
second
class
Citizen
and
I
understand
what
you're
saying
there's
you
know
two
or
three
other
properties.
F
They
use
that
and
you
know,
maybe
they've
been
used
to
it
or
whatever,
but
I,
don't
know
I
just
kind
of
hold
myself
to
a
higher
standard
than
saying
hey,
that's
that's
kind
of
subpar
for
me
to
tell
a
new
homeowner,
that's
going
to
buy
this
house
and
potentially
six
seven
months
a
you
know,
nice
house,
but
you
got
to
use
that
that
kind
of
jacked
up
looking
alley
to
get
into
your
property,
I
I,
don't
know
I
I,
just
I,
don't
know:
I
try
to
hold
myself
to
a
higher
standard
than
than
using
things
that
are
subpar.
A
Okay,
so
we
are
back
to
the
board
for
questions
of
staff
and
the
petitioner.
B
My
question
is
for
staff
when
I
look
at
the
gis
map,
I
see
that
there
are
several
several
properties
that
have
the
the
cut
the
driveway
cut
on
Rogers,
even
though
there
is
a
an
alley
in
the
back
where
they
grandfathered
or
I
mean
is.
Is
this
happening
because
he
torn
out
the
house
and
now
he
has
to
come,
come
to
terms
with
the
new
Udo
standards.
D
Yeah,
basically,
as
you
stated,
the
existing
houses
are
allowed
to
continue
as
pre-existing
lawful,
non-conforming
site
features,
and
they
can
continue
until
something
triggers
some
level
of
compliance.
And
in
this
case,
what
triggers
the
compliance
is
building
a
new,
a
new
primary
structure
which
will
be
a
new
single
family
house
there,
so
that
triggers
full
compliance
for
the
property,
all
the
different
things
in
the
code.
D
So
you
know,
the
proposed
house
has
to
meet
setbacks,
height
restrictions,
Landscaping
that
applies
to
Residential
Properties,
all
those
things
which
which
it
will
and
was,
that
review,
was
completed
for
the
CDC
for
the
building
permit
for
the
house
and
one
of
the
compliance
or
sorry
one
of
the
the
full
compliance
standards
that
this
house
has
to
meet
is
that
where
the
access
in
the
parking
is
so
that
so,
it's
building
the
house
that
triggers
this
compliance,
so
the
existing
properties
that
already
have
driveways
on
Rogers
Street.
C
Miss
Burrell,
based
on
your
question,
sorry
I,
don't
normally
Jackie
Scanlon
development
services
manager,
there
wasn't
a
change
in
code
so
that
that
hasn't
changed.
That's
been
in
place
since
the
previous
Udo
that
if
you're
in
this
particular
zoning
district-
and
you
have
an
alley
that
is
accessible
and
we
say
improved
in
the
code
and
in
this
case
it's
being
used
by
the
adjacent
properties-
and
you
know
the
property
immediately
to
the
east
as
well.
That
was
already
in
code.
So
that's
not
something.
C
A
So
when
the
building
permit
came
through
for
review,
did
the
petitioner
show
parking?
Did
he
show
this
parking
being
removed
and
new
parking
being
proposed
off
the
alley
or
how
was
it
shown.
D
I
believe
there
is
a
site
plan
in
the
packet.
No
sorry
excuse
me
and
they,
so
there
is
a
site
plan
in
the
packet
that
shows
front
yard
parking
when
the
building
permit
application
was
submitted.
D
The
site
plan
did
not
identify
any
parking
which
there's
no
required
parking
for
for
a
single
family
house
in
this
District
or
in
any
district,
and
so
showing
no
parking
or
no
vehicle
access
is
compliant.
So
the
CCC
was
issued
based
on
that.
A
One
thing
is
a
little
confusing
to
me
is
the
way
the
czc
in
the
second,
in
the
second
quote
here
where
it
says
that
that,
if
it
noted
that,
if
a
parking
area
accessing
the
alley
is
constructed,
the
existing
Drive
cut
and
driveway
apron
on
Rogers
must
be
removed
and
a
new
curb
must
be
constructed
on
Rogers,
so
it
sounded
like.
If
the
owner
wasn't
intending
to
park
off
the
alley,
then
the
existing
parking
off
Rogers
would
not
have
to
be
removed.
That's
the
way
that
reads.
D
A
D
And
as
I'm
as
I'm
saying
it
now,
that
sounds
strange,
yes,
but
I
think
the
the.
D
D
That
it
really
just
TR
is
getting
at
the
issue
without
a
variance.
It
is
completely
clear
that
no
parking
in
the
front
yard
is
a
lot
is
allowed.
Okay,
that
was
trying
to
to
split
hairs
over
whether
the
petitioner
would
be
required
to
remove
the
curb.
C
Vehicular
access
right,
so
if
they
so
if
they
want
access,
if
they
want
parking
at
all,
without
a
variance,
they
have
to
do
it
in
the
back
and
then
they
have
to
remove
any
other
axis
points
that
already
exist
on
the
lot,
which
means
removing
the
one
on
Rogers
similar
similar.
Not
exactly
the
same
to
the
position
to
petition.
We
saw
at
first
and
High
Street
a
number
of
months
ago,
Mr
pilachowski,
where
he
was
building
a
driveway
on
the
east
side
now
to
access
the
new
house.
C
A
And
just
a
question
that
doesn't
directly
relate
to
this
case
necessarily,
but
it's
it's
a
curiosity.
How
are
how
are
alleys
improved
and
cared
for
in
the
city?
At
this
point.
C
Yes
great
question,
so
there
are
definitely
some
alleys
that
the
city
does
maintenance
on,
but
typically
alleys
in
the
residential
areas.
Unless
it's
a
large
project
and
Mr
Rucker
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
is
done
by
those
who
use
that
alley.
So
we
have
had
if
someone
comes
forward
for
example,
and
wants
to
build
a
house
on
a
lot
that
has
a
platted
alley
but
is
not
improved.
G
C
They
can
do
that.
They
can
work
with
the
engineering
department
to
make
sure
that
they're,
using
the
correct
specs
of
whether
they're
going
to
do
asphalt
or
gravel,
and
you
know
to
what
deaths
they
have
to
do.
If
they
want
to
do
that
themselves,
to
improve
it,
they
can
so
Residential
Properties
adjacent
to
alleys
in
the
city.
Those
owners
of
those
properties
do
maintenance
on
the
Jason
alleys,
okay,.
A
And
so,
and
so
there
is
no
Improvement
schedule,
particularly
for
alleys
at
this
point
that
are
unimproved.
E
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
if
it's
all
right
to
follow
up
on
that.
Did
you
point
out
hypothetically
if
there,
if
the
platted
alley
at
the
rear
of
this
property
were
full
of
trees
and
bushes,
which
we
see
across
the
city,
because
the
Udo
requires
access
off
of
an
improved
alley,
one
that
was
full
of
trees
and
bushes
is
not
improved
and
there
would
be
the
front
yard
parking
could
could
remain.
A
D
And
I
I
invite
Miss,
Galen
or
Mr
Booker
to
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
that
staff
recommends
a
finding
that
this
alley
is
improved
as
understood
by
the
Udo.
But
that
is
within
your
purview
to
determine
okay.
A
C
C
Here
and
let
me
see
if
I
can
zoom
in
they,
the
house
is
obviously
built.
You
know
pedestrian
oriented
on
the
front,
sidewalk
connection
and
then
a
vehicular
access
into
an
attached
garage
on
the
rear
with
this
alley,
as
obviously
the
only
way
that
they
get
to
that
driveway.
C
You
know
I
think
that
sometimes,
when
an
alley
isn't
you
know
paved
or
maybe
newly
modern
gravel,
we
think
of
you
know,
think
that
they're
not
kind
of
up
like
as
Mr
as
the
petitioner
said,
maybe
not
up
to
his
standard,
but
this
is
definitely
a
usable
alley.
Someone
has
definitely
developed
it.
C
You
know
in
this
area
within
the
recent
past
and
was
determined
at
that
time,
that
they
could
use
this
access
and
do,
and
then
you
know,
of
course,
the
properties
to
the
north
also
use,
but
I
do
think
that
the
one
to
the
east
is
kind
of
the
most
instructive,
because
it's
not
old,
it
hasn't
been
there
for
a
long
time
and
they
were
able
to
develop
it
and
use
this
alley
as
vehicular
access.
A
And
the
last
question
that
I
have
at
the
moment
is-
and
maybe
you
mentioned
this
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
when
was
the
street
improvements
project
done
in
this
area?
How
long
ago
was
that.
D
I
haven't
done
research
on
that,
but
I
believe
less
than
a
decade
ago.
Pardon
I
believe
less
than
a
decade
ago,.
C
Just
a
second
sorry,
I,
just
zoomed
all
the
way
out
hold
on
just
a
sec.
C
D
B
D
Yes,
you
can
see
in
some
of
the
photos
that
were
part
of
the
packet
that
well
actually,
it's
maybe
not
so
visible.
The
the
gravel
Improvement
of
the
alley
does
end
really
at
the
North
aligned
with
the
north
edge
of
of
the
property
that
the
petition
is
for
and
after
that,
it's
grass
there
might
even
be
trees
in
it.
So
that
part
of
the
alley
I
think
is
fairly
easy
to
say
it
is
not
improved.
However,
that's
past
the
access
point
for
the
property
of
this
part
of
this
petition.
G
I
Like
looking
at
that
GIS,
you
know
you
can
also
zoom
in
and
see
like
tire
tracks
running
through,
so
I
guess
for
staff
I
mean
I
could
see
this
turning
into,
if
they're
forced
to
use
the
alley
a
potential
legal
issue
with,
with
the
amount
of
traffic
this
house
to
the
north
and
all
the
cars
there
and
the
fact
that
they've
got
tire
tracks
on
this
property
already
yeah
to
me,
I
I,
don't
know
that
that
would
be
what
would
be
a
difficulty
I
think
in
my
opinion,
because
in
I
think
also
what
the
petitioner
is
saying
is
if
I'm
looking
at
the
improved
alley
versus
the
Improvement,
the
petitioner
would
be
doing.
I
I
I
started
the
petitioner
this,
and
this
is
as
an
improved
alley.
That's
that's!
That
is
a
low
standard
to
me.
I
understand
what
the
Udo
says,
but
that's
like
a
very
basic
standard
for
housing.
I
live
in
that
neighborhood
as
well,
and
yeah
I,
just
I.
Just
think.
The
foresight
of
what
that
potential
house,
the
north
could
create
is
just
something
to
be
I
guess
considered
for
us.
So
that's
it.
B
So
in
this
question
is
for
the
petition,
the
petitioner,
what
are
the
practical
difficulties
that
you
see
with
developing
this
law
having
to
use
the
alley,
as
the
entrance
I've
heard
about
what
you
think,
but
I
I
would
like
to
for
us?
We
need
to
have
some
concrete
facts
related
to
the
Practical
difficulties
in
order
to
give
a
variance.
So
if
you
have
any
any
of
those,
I
would
love
to
hear
it.
F
Okay,
can
you
can
you
tell
me
a
reason?
Why
am
I
muted
through
this
whole
conversation
with
everybody.
A
So
Mr
brand,
so
we
as
the
board
have
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
of
the
staff
or
of
the
petitioner.
So
it's
really
not.
G
A
Discussion
so
you
now
have
been
asked
a
question,
so
it's
your
opportunity
to
respond,
and
you
know
when
you
can
comment
further.
If
you'd
like
you
will
have
another
opportunity
to
speak
again
after
public
comment,
so
you
do
have
an
opportunity
to
speak
so
that
this
is
really
just
a
clarifications
in
question
period.
F
Okay,
no
yeah,
and
so
to
answer
your
excuse
me
to
answer
your
question.
Yeah,
you
say
concrete
facts:
I
I,
don't
know
that
I
have
contrary
facts,
I
just
know.
After
after
doing
you
know,
60
60,
plus
either
new
residential
builds
or
you
know,
Fix
and
Flip
type
homes
in
the
last
20
or
25
years.
I
know
that
first
appearances
make
a
huge
difference
when
you're
trying
to
sell,
sell
a
home,
and
so
like
I
said
I
mean
you
and
I
understand.
F
F
I
mean
there's
barely
gravel
there
and
yes,
I
understand
what
the
the
gal
was
talking
about
earlier
about
that
there
is
and
there's
only
two
properties
that
are
served
by
that
alley:
the
one
with
the
garage
probably
directly
right
behind
2311
South
Rogers
and
the
one
just
north
of
that
appears
to
be,
but
the
one.
That's
just
north
of
the
one
that
I'm
going
to
be
building
the
house
on.
Like
I
said
said:
there
are
four
four
abandoned
vehicles
that
do
not
run
blocking
that
alley.
F
So,
yes,
it
stops
right
there
and
just
past
there's
a
huge
tree
in
the
middle
of
the
alley.
So
to
say
it's
improved
is
kind
of
a
stretch
and
and
just
like
Mr
I'm,
not
sure
what
his
name
was
I
think
his
last
name
was
Ballard,
who
spoke
briefly.
F
Never
in
a
million
years
do
I
want
to
get
in
any
kind
of
lawsuits,
because
that's
like
the
last
remedy,
I
think
things
can
be
done
way
before
something
like
that
happens,
but
again
I'm
not
saying
I
wouldn't
pursue
that
because,
like
I
said
it's,
it's
really
kind
of
an
atrocious
sight
to
drive
back
there.
When
you
say:
hey,
I'm,
going
to
be
building,
you
know,
probably
a
200,
250,
000
house
and
then
hey
by
the
way.
You
know
Mr
and
Mrs.
Buyer
you've
got
to
access
this
property.
F
F
If
there
was
a
big
you
know,
3
or
four
city
blocks
of
South
Rogers,
where
this
was
going
to
be
done
like
yeah
I
get
it
that's
going
to
take
a
lot
of
traffic,
maybe
off
Rogers,
but
when
you're
trying
to
single
out
one
home
at
a
time,
I
mean
I,
just
can't
believe
I'm
potentially
being
made,
maybe
an
example,
but
again
to
answer
your
question:
I,
don't
necessarily
have
any
hard
country.
Facts.
F
I
just
know
that
it's
just
not
a
very
professional
way
of
conducting
business
and,
like
I,
said
I,
try
to
do
my
business
above
reproach
and
and
do
things
nice
and
like
I,
said
I
mean
you
know:
I
try
to
build
a
very
economical.
You
know.
Family
homes
try
to
keep
it
low
cost
for
families
I'm
trying
to
buy
homes
in
Bloomington
and,
like
I,
said
the
house
to
the
north
of
me.
F
I've,
even
you
know,
taken
a
step
further
to
try
to
help
the
neighborhood
by
saying
hey,
you
know
what
I'm
willing
to
help
you
out.
I
know
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
money.
That's
fine
I
want
to
help
you
out.
If
I
can
it
helps
me
and
it
helps
you
and,
and
so,
like
I
said,
I
feel
like
I'm,
taking
the
high
road
on
this
and
trying
to
be.
You
know
a
good
citizen
or
whatever,
but
then
decide
say
well,
hey,
here's,
our
rules
and
regulations.
F
If
you
do
build
a
new
home,
hey
thanks
for
building
a
new
house
and
make
the
neighborhood
nice,
but
oh
by
the
way,
go
ahead
and
get
to
the
alley,
because
that's
how
you're
going
to
enter
and
exit
your
property
I,
don't
know
that
just
doesn't
seem
right.
A
C
A
Nobody's
there:
okay,
then
we
are
back
to
Mr
brand,
who
has
a
lot
of
remaining
time,
I'm
sure
yep,
16
minutes,
16
minutes.
If
you
have
any
last
comments,
Mr
brand.
This
is
your
opportunity.
F
However,
I
do
believe
there
are
some
exceptions
and
if
there
was
ever
an
exception
when
I've
been
building
a
house,
I've
run
across
a
few
issues
here
and
there,
but
if
there's
ever
been
an
exception,
I
truly
believe
this
is
one
of
them.
That
exception
ought
to
be
granted
to
me
just
to
go
ahead
and
use.
F
What's
existing,
you
know:
what's
what's
there
as
long
as
I
apply
by
the
rules
of
how
wide
the
driveway
is
and
so
on
so
forth,
but
I
just
hope-
and
you
know
that
you
know
like
I,
said:
I
realized
I'm
at
the
mercy,
whoever
decides
and
votes
on
this
but
I
just
feel
like.
This
is
one
time
one
exception
really
should
be
granted.
So
I,
but
again
I,
do
appreciate
your
time.
Okay,.
A
A
B
Okay,
I'll
make
a
motion.
Okay,
I'll
make
a
motion
that
that
v-46-22.
B
The
third
finding
I
find
that
in
this
case
the
alley
is
not
a
completely
improved
alley,
so
does
not
fall
into
what
the
czc
says
and
also
that
it
already
has
an
existing
driveway
in
the
front,
and
we
are
the
pre
another
practical
difficulty
here.
I
guess
a
practical
difficulty.
Is
you
you're
gonna,
demolish
something
that's
existing
to
construct,
something
that
is.
D
Yeah,
would
it
be
helpful
to
put
something
up
on
the
screen.
D
B
D
A
D
Is
that
do
I
have
down
what
you
said.
B
D
It's
possibly
taking
out
the
sentence,
and
also
it
already
has
an
existing
driveway
in
the
front.
It
seems
that
the
second
sentence
states
that
yeah.
B
D
May
I,
as
as
staff
may
I,
make
a
recommendation
where
it
says,
does
not
fall
into
the
czc
definition
of
improved
alley.
I
think
it
would
the
udl
make
more
sense
to
reference
the
Udo,
although.
B
B
B
A
Okay,
further
discussion.
H
Just
strikes
me
that
this
particular
part
of
town
there
are
not.
It
doesn't
appear
from
the
maps,
there's
a
that.
This
is
similar
to
a
lot
of
the
downtown
areas
that
have
a
lot
of
Alleyways.
It
seems
like
half
an
alley
and
doesn't
quite
fit
in
with
the
neighborhood,
regardless
understanding
the
neighbor
directly
to
the
east
or
east
is
using
the
alley,
it
seems,
seems
like
it
doesn't
fit
into
the
construct
of
the
whole
neighborhood.
A
And
I
I
would
add
that
that
case
also
this
neighborhood,
the
the
petitioners
wanting
to
do
a
more
affordable
type
of
house
and
on
and
having
to
remove
the
a
perfectly
reasonable.
You
know,
in
fact,
quite
generous,
curb
cut,
and
you
know
apron
just
seems
like
an
additional
expense.
It's
just
an
aside.
A
It
almost
seems
feels
wasteful,
since
it
was
a
probably
a
a
public.
You
know
as
a
public
Improvement
project
that
you
know
everybody
paid
for
so
any
other
comments
before
we
vote.
D
The
staff
did
not
recommend
any
because
we
recommend
a
denial.
Okay,
do
you
have
any
further
thoughts
on
that
now,
I
I
I
don't
see
any
that
that
would
be
necessary.
H
Oh
just
out
of
condition
that
it
would,
it
would
follow
whatever
driveway
rules
would
be
in
place
in
a
neighborhood
where
you
could
have
a
driveway
that
it.
You
know.
If
you
look
across
the
street
from
this
property,
it's
entirely
paved.
There
is
no
yard,
it's
just
a
house
in
a
big
parking
lot,
so
we
just
want
to
I
would
say
just
follow
the
which
I
think
the
petitioner
intends
to
do
anyways,
but
so.
A
C
C
Thank
you,
I,
missed
I
knew
I
heard
that
at
the
beginning,
the
width
do
you
know
how
wide
the
driveway
is.
D
D
We
can
confirm
directly
with
the
petitioner,
but
in
our
previous
conversations,
we've
discussed
this
and
he's
understood.
I.
H
A
C
B
C
Think
his
existing
access
location,
but
the
development
standards
of
that
location
are
going
to
have
to
meet,
and
so
that
may
mean
some
small
changes.
It.