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A
We
do
not
have
any
at
this
time.
Okay,
so
the
petitions
to
be
continued
are
or
we
have
one.
A
Which
is
cu,
slash
v,
dash
19-20,
robert
ettarola
and
the
petitions
we
will
be
hearing
tonight.
A
Are
v-05-21
nancy
armstrong
and
v-08-21
starbucks
coffee
company?
We
are
going
to
move
forward
at.
A
This
time
with
petition,
v-08-21
starbucks
coffee
company,
ms
pepper,
I'm
so
sorry,
she.
C
Better,
okay,
okay,
so
strike
that
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
proceed
with.
C
For
a
property
located
here
on
the
near
east
side
at
fest
and
near
university,.
C
The
property
is
roughly
6
500
square
feet,
it
is
zoned
r-3.
It
is
bordered
on
the.
C
West,
by
fess
and
by
by
north-south
alley
on
the
east
and
then
surrounding
uses,
are.
C
Residential
in
nature
as
well,
the
property
was,
is
developed
with
a
single
family.
C
That
was
previously
located
on
the
lot
and
has
since
been
torn
down.
They
received
demolition.
C
Delay
approval
from
the
historic
preservation
commission
for
their
roughly
1930s
era,
garage.
C
For
this
adu
design
and
location
which
you
are
seeing
today,
so
the
petitioner
is
requesting.
C
A
variance
from
required
side
and
rear
setbacks
for
a
detached
accessory
dwelling
unit,
so
I've
put.
C
C
Feet
so
to
encroach
into
the
setback
two
feet.
They
their
request
hinges
on
details
of
the
lot.
C
C
And
they
included
some
site
pictures,
so
you
can
get
an
idea.
This.
C
And
you
can
see
kind
of
on
the
left
here,
the
mature
trees.
Us
are
right
up
against
the
sparking.
C
It
was
taken
down,
and
this
is
the
public
alley
that
runs
north
south
immediately
east
of
it.
C
And
another
shot
of
the
surrounding
area,
I
believe
so,
as
you
know,
the
development.
C
Standards
variance
has
a
three-part
criteria.
The
department
believes
that
the
approval
will.
C
A
new
adu
and
the
exact
location
of
the
previously
of
the
previous
garage
that
has
been
there
for.
C
Quite
some
time
and
not
posed
any
known
issues,
we
think
is
appropriate
again,
no
negative.
C
For
the
site,
with
the
peculiar
condition
include
needing
to
be
able
wanting
to
be
able
to.
C
Continue
to
utilize
the
parking
area
that
is
immediately
adjacent
to
where
the
development
was.
C
And,
to
give
it
a
little
bit
more
room
than
maybe
would
be
required
if
it
weren't
immediately.
C
Our
roads,
and
so
lessening
that
area
by
even
two
feet
could
have
a
negative
effect
and.
C
A
similar,
similar
reasoning
for
the
two
feet
on
the
east
side
to
allow
for
some
more
room.
C
C
The
adu
they
can
do
it.
Let's
move
forward
with
that,
and
the
second
request,
second
condition.
C
Being
that
this
variance
applies
only
to
what
you've
seen
here
today,
so
the
exact
locations.
C
That
they've
they've
shown
and
that
if
they
needed
to
change
that
they
would
have
to
come
back.
B
Very
well,
I
did
prepare
a
petitioner's
statement
that
refers
to
the
need
to
use.
B
We
do
have
big
trees
on
the
property.
I
don't
want
to
be
any
closer
to
them.
B
Than
the
garage
was
before,
I
do
also
own
the
property
to
the
north
and
so
we're
you
know
very.
B
On
very
good
terms,
with
with
the
residents
of
that
house,
it's
my
mother
and
we've
never
had
any.
B
Issues
with
visibility
down
the
alley
with
the
garage
where
it
was
so
I
don't
see
that
putting.
B
The
adu,
in
the
very
same
place
as
the
garage
was,
would
pose
any
issues
for
visibility
or
safety.
B
Or
aesthetics
or
any
other
reason
not
to
do
it,
I
I
don't
know
if
you
have
any
questions
for
me.
B
About
that,
that's
that
is
the
next
part
of
the
hearing.
Okay,
if
you're
done
with
your
statement.
E
Then
we'll
we're
back
to
the
commissioners
for
any
questions
of
staff
or
the
petitioner.
Okay,.
E
Susan
flavia,
anybody,
yes,
I
don't
have
any
questions
at
all.
I
think
this
is
fairly.
A
We
are
to
the
public.
Is
there
anyone
here
this
evening?
Who
would
like
to
comment
on
this
petition.
D
Scene,
none
then
we
are
back
to
the
petitioner
for
any
final
comment.
B
Provide
another
small
dwelling
on
an
existing
plot
near
to
campus
and
our
lovely
downtown.
So
I.
D
F
Dash
based
on
the
three
criteria
that
were
listed
in
a
previous
slide.
C
D
E
A
C
You
saw
this
petition
last
month.
This
property
is
located
on
south
liberty
drive
just
north.
C
C
Month
we
staff
indicated
and
had
proposed
or
recommended
that
you
continue
the
petition.
C
Is
for
the
petitioner
to
provide
some
sort
of
data
indicating
that
they
have
stores
that.
C
C
Over
what
is
allowed
on
site,
so
you
saw
in
your
packet
what
the
petitioner
did
provide.
C
Was
six
locations
in
and
around
bloomington
and
they
did
not
provide
the
parking
numbers
that
we.
C
Very
vary
by
location,
so
I
am
going
to
show
you
something
quickly
here.
If
I
can.
C
That
was
enough
information
for
you
to
make
the
decision
and
then
just
to
highlight
to
you
what
kind
of
what
we
were
asking
for
and
why.
C
Okay,
so
this
is
an
ariel
which
may
be
clear
to
the
savvy
that
this
is
during
2020..
This
is
during.
C
C
Building
which
is
kind
of
interesting,
but
we
can
look
back
on
aerials
all
the
way
back
to
2005.
C
Around
the
time,
I
believe
that
it
was
probably
maybe
when
it
was
built.
I'm
not
sure
why
this
one.
C
Is
entirely
empty
but
the
reason
we
asked
for
parking
numbers
and
not
number
of
parking
spaces.
C
Times
our
uses
are
over
parked
they're
parked
for
the
busiest
day
of
the
year,
as
opposed
to
you.
C
C
C
C
More
but
again
quite
a
bit,
that's
empty
and
then
2019
similar
still
much
more
than
the.
C
Other
years,
but
still
a
lot
that
are
empty
so
in
service
of
our
larger
city
goals
of
you
know.
C
And
all
of
those
things
like
that
we
reducing
car
dependency,
we
try
to
minimize
the
number
of.
C
C
Is
so
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
that
that
is
why
we
request
the
kind
of
data
we
do
request.
C
I'll
just
quickly
go
through
the
rest
of
the
presentation.
Again,
as
I
said,
the
allowable.
C
Going
over
the
impervious
surface
coverage,
even
if
they
get
the
33,
so
that
is
that
is
positive.
C
They
have
quite
a
bit
of
space
on
the
site,
so
they
were
able
to
fit
that
in
for
the
size
of.
C
C
Sure
that
the
peculiar
nature
of
the
property
in
question,
for
example,
what
we
suggested
last.
C
Time
was
looking
at
other
stores
that
are
close
to
highways
close
to
big
business
centers,
as
I.
C
Know
board
member
sandberg
mentioned
things
like
that
that
that
show
that
can
show
that.
C
C
Because,
as
we
said
last
time,
we
acknowledge
that
you
know
starbucks
is,
is
a
well-known
name.
C
C
But
we
would
like
to.
We
would
rather
have
actual
numbers
on
that
before
recommending
approval.
C
But
we
realize
it's
kind
of
a
on
the
fence
type
of
type
of
decision,
for
you
all
to
make.
C
C
Thank
you,
jackie
petitioner's
representative.
A
H
H
H
That's
being
brought
to
the
table
now,
so
I
do
understand
what
jackie
was
asking
for.
We
did.
H
Creating
a
representative
scenario,
so
the
results
were
pretty
overwhelming.
There
were.
H
H
Much
the
norm
for
starbucks,
I
would
like
to
point
out-
and
I
know
all
of
you
know
this,
but.
H
H
Additional
parking
stalls,
because
there
is
the
idea
of
of
what
a
starbucks
is
and
the
amount
of.
H
Traffic
you
generate,
they
did
provide
us
some
great
information
about
the
typical
number
of.
H
With
that,
so
as
as
cece
stated
in
her
letter,
starbucks
feels
like
between
the
the
amount.
H
H
Adequate
space
for
them
to
be
able
to
park
and
to
not
back
up
onto
liberty
drive
because
that's.
H
H
D
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We
are
to
the
board
for
questions
of
staff
or
the
petitioner.
A
At
this
point
and
I'm
going
to
start,
I
have
a
question
for
you,
jackie,
the
the
transactional.
C
H
H
She
goes
on
to
say
that
an
average
of
of
260
of
those
tickets
are
happening
inside
the
building,
as.
D
Just
for
clarification,
mr
kimko,
that
is
transactions
so
that
that's
not
really.
F
In
two
of
those
stores,
could
somebody
clarify
exactly
what
the
yeah
so
the
they
range
from.
C
14
at
the
bedford
store
to
48
at
the
burton
lane,
martinsville
store,
and
so
then
the
south
walnut.
F
F
F
G
Jackie,
just
so
the
the
two
bloomington
stores
one
has
30
the
south
walnut
one
has
34
five
spaces.
G
What
is
the
other
one,
the
they
listed
4257
north
tupelo
drive.
H
C
Actually,
not
even
in
the
aerials,
I
think
that's
in
ellisville
and
it's
new.
I
also
looked
at
you.
C
C
That
first
flight
and
there's
a
starbucks
there
on
your
left,
and
it
was
similar
street
view
where.
C
Day
snapshot
a
year,
but
being
that
it
didn't
seem
like
starbucks,
was
going
to
be
able
to.
G
All
the
parks,
all
the
parking
spots
are
full
jackie,
the
the
south
walnut
street
store.
A
When
was
that
built
how
long
gosh,
I'm
not
sure
it
was?
Definitely
that's
why
I
was
wondering
if
it.
C
C
Open
yet,
but
I'm
not
sure
that
was
as
far
back
as
I
went,
oh,
I
can
look
it
up
hold
on.
Let
me
see.
A
C
Other
thing,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up
to
mention
board
members
standard
makes
a.
C
C
By
also
noting
that
they
have
all
been
built
under,
especially
the
ones
that
aren't
built
here,.
C
Under
different
codes
than
this
code,
and
so
we
are
probably
moving
more
toward
less
parking.
C
And
so
some
of
those
were
built
pre
the
pre,
those
code
requirements
yeah.
It
was.
B
Yes,
susan,
I
think
I've
raised
this
question
before,
but
I
think,
as
all
of
us
drive
by
the
various.
F
F
H
H
Realize
that
it's
faster
for
them
to
go
in
the
other
thing
we
talked
about
last
time
and.
H
Is
that
it's
very
close
to
the
interstate
and
when
you
have
interstate
you're,
not.
H
Just
seeing
local
commuters
you're
also
seeing
people
that
have
potentially
been
traveling.
H
There
is
a
patio
space
being
provided
as
a
part
of
this
restaurant
and
I'll
say
this
starbucks.
H
F
That,
but
if
I
could,
you
know,
ask
another
question
in
the
in
the
spirit
of
a
compromise.
F
H
E
Issue
for
me
in
that
I
think
we
all
recognize.
Having
talked
about
this
now
at
length,
the
use.
E
E
I'm
very
appreciative
of
this
late
information
about
the
tren
the
number
of
transactions.
E
E
E
More
that
mr
timco
can
provide
at
this
point.
You
know
I
was
pretty
disappointed
to.
E
I
was
sorry
that
we
had
to
even
continue
the
case.
One
time
honestly,
I
mean
we,
we
that's
not
our.
E
E
So
you
know
I
feel
like
this
is
kind
of
an
uncomfortable
position,
because
I
think
we're
all.
E
Very
much
in
favor
of
providing
the
variance
for
this
for
this
business
at
this
location.
It's.
E
That
this
is
the
right
number.
This
is
really
the
right
number
and
because
there's
such
a.
E
Just
target
two
stores,
and
if
you
know
I
don't
know
jackie
if
any
example
was
provided
to
the.
E
C
C
C
Example,
when
we
did
the
culver's
variants
for
the
colders
on
the
west
side,
they
pooled
with.
C
C
C
We
think
that
it's
likely
that
that
information
exists.
We
just.
C
But
our
code
doesn't
parse
types,
so
you
have
to
be
able
to
show
that
this
that
you,
that.
C
Your
question,
sorry,
can
I
hear
something?
Mr
kiemann,
you
are
more
than
welcome
to
join.
E
I
Number
of
morning
transactions,
my
wife
and
my
son
being
a
couple
of
those
customers.
I
I
can
count
to
try
to
work
with
the
parameters
of
the
that.
You
know
that
the
city
wanted
and.
I
So
on,
and
I
think
that
it's
just
and
my
understanding
is
the
construction.
I
I
And
with
the
obvious
to
me,
it's
obvious
at
least,
I
hope
it
is
to
you
that
that
is
the
right.
I
That
it's
not
a
nuisance
for
liberty
drive
and
you
know
I
guess
some
fancy
studies.
I
Maybe
that
helps,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
we're
going
to
glean
out
of
that.
You
know
a
bunch
of.
I
G
I
guess
so.
G
Course,
if
you
have
one
in
the
mall
or
one
in
in
a
location
where
it's
a
commercial,
you
know
strip.
G
G
G
G
Not
a
question
to
me
33
to
me,
according
to
the
letter
from
cc,
roberts
is
what
they
need.
G
So
anyway,
I'm
just
saying
what
I'm
saying
here
is:
there's
no
doubt.
E
Sure
I
think,
we've
all
gone
on
record
and
with
that
with
that
understanding,
I
think
I.
E
E
And
that
does
not
exist
in
a
lot
of
places
outside
of
bloomington,
so
we
are.
We
have
a
little.
E
Bit
of
a
unique
perspective
when
it
comes
to
parking,
and
that
is
why
we
come
up
against.
E
This
kind
of
thing
a
lot,
not
just
this
type
of
use.
So
again,
it's
the
thing,
things
that
were.
E
Built
in
bloomington
were
built
under
a
different
code.
You
know
we're
talking
almost
20
years
ago.
E
Very
easily
answer
the
question
that
I
have
so
that
I
know
that
this
is
an
appropriate
number.
F
F
Of
convinced
that
they
do
indeed
need
that
level
of
parking,
I
think
you
know
part
of
the
duty
of.
F
F
Or
we're
going
to
be
putting
them
into
some
some
difficulties
with,
with
impending.
F
Leaning
more
toward
giving
the
petitioner
what
they
feel
is
important
for
their
business
model.
C
Variances
we
do
work
with
property
owners
who
have
unique
issues
in
this
case,
providing
numbers
of.
C
C
C
C
The
stores
in
indiana
so
think
of,
as
you
mentioned
before,
flavia
you
know,
in
strips
in
a
mall.
C
C
Store-
and
you
know
we
do
try
to
be
mindful
of
people's
timelines-
that's
fine,
but
it's
also.
C
And
uses
who
have
come
forward
who
have
supplied
the
data
we've
requested
and
made
the
case.
C
C
That
that's
why
we
were
why
we're
recommending
getting
slightly
more
information
for
next
month.
D
Season
yeah,
I
certainly
appreciate
that,
and
also
I
think
there
is
a
difference
between.
C
C
C
C
C
C
And
we
just
approved
that
you
know
not
very
long
ago,
and
so
it's
we're
hesitant
to
just.
E
That
they
could
limit
the
the
data
to
their
busiest
window
of
time.
Sure.
E
E
That
have
similar
characteristics
to
the
one
that
would
be
built
here.
I
I
that
doesn't.
E
That
doesn't
seem
onerous
to
me
in
in
terms
of
requests,
and
I
I
feel
it.
I
would
just
say.
E
E
Necessary
due
diligence
in
order
to
to
for
me
in
order
to
grant
a
variance
of
this
magnitude.
E
E
E
E
I
I
would
move
forward
for
a
for
continuation.
I
don't
know
if
I'll
get
a
second.
E
Yes,
susan.
Well
again,
I
guess
I
would
ask
the
petitioners
if
they
feel
that
they
now.
H
B
Okay,
I
think
we
are
ready
to
to
vote
on
this
motion.
E
Okay,
so
the
petition
is
continued
to
the
august
meeting
and
in
the
meantime,
mr
timpo,
if.
E
Any
further
input,
if
there's
any
confusion
at
all,
we
we
want
to
make
sure
that
this.