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From YouTube: Bloomington City Council Sustainable Development Committee, June 10, 2020

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Thank seeing that everybody is assembled good to have you all here. Thank you.

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It is wednesday june 10th to thought 20 20 I'm. This is a meeting of the.

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Sustainable development committee bloomington city council, shall we.

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My name is c: scam valerie, I'm the chair. Mr. ziegler, do we need to call the roll.

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Here or not, as far as I know with committees, I don't think we have any.

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More, we have one item on our agenda for this evening and that's ordinance. 2011.

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This was you saw this in first reading at council special session earlier.

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Tonight, and this is our opportunity to have a more in-depth presentation on.

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That shall we read the ordinance again for people who might be eating these two.

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Meetings separately, I don't see any need, I mean okay, you know we know. What's on.

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The agenda that we should hear or presentation: okay.

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So again, this is just quickly. This is ordinance 2011, an ordinance recommending.

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That portions, the bloomington municipal code, each temporarily, suspended due to.

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The ongoing public health emergency and mr. crowley, I believe, what's going to.

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Begin the conversation on this. Yes, can you me okay? Yes, thank you.

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So I'm alex riley, I'm the director of economic, sustainable development with.

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The city of bloomington, let me start by first thanking you for your.

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Consideration of this of these two requests that are embedded in the same.

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Sort of process- I guess and then also give you a little context. So you know as.

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You know- and I mentioned this in the previous meeting- the economic.

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Stabilization or recovery working group and a number of partners throughout the.

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Community have been focused on three phases of reaction. If you will to the.

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Pandemic so the first phase being the you know, rapid response phase.

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Second phase is the reopening one and that's the one that's relevant to this.

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Particular action and then there's the long-term revitalization phase. So the.

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Way that the the reopening has occurred led primarily actually by the chamber.

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And supported by other members of the working group and other members of the.

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Community has been to essentially first prepare via education and access to.

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Resources, the businesses and organizations in the community that.

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Really we all count on for some basic needs and also for for some of the.

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Cultural aspects of the community prepare them for reopening, and so the.

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The chamber undertook about two and a half weeks of intensive pre-opening.

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Education, which involved a number of zoom, calls which were recorded and.

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Available access to ppe equipment, signage, a whole variety of activities.

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City was involved in it. A number of other entities were involved in it to.

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Prepare for the reopening process and the reopening began and it's and frankly.

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It's been happening slowly and deliberately, which is good because I know I don't think we want to be reckless about this and and as the city.

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Reopens we are looking at a couple of different ways that we can potentially.

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Eliminate some of the friction of the reopening process what's captured in the.

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Ordinance or two elements of that, the first is having to do with signage and.

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I'll, take you, through some high level of what's embedded in the the ordinance c.

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So you understand that and the other is a request from the kirkwood association.

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Of you know, commercial association, basically of reopening portions of.

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Kirkwood by closing the street to allow for some capacity that they would.

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Otherwise have to have inside to extend outside, thereby potentially increasing.

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The interest amount people potential customers take.

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Advantage of their of their services, that's both restaurants and also stores.

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To the extent that, ultimately, both would be in play so the genesis, so, in addition.

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To that I should say that one other we're about to launch a program called.

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Bee town summer challenge and b10 summer challenge is essentially a kind of a.

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Gamified way to get the community riaan organizations and businesses in town.

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It's essentially a you know, checklist of activity that you can do every week. You.

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Do ten things which involve spending money or not, it doesn't require spending.

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Money, so there are activities you do that. Don't involve that for those people.

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That don't prefer not to do that. Okay and and then you submit your little game.

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Card every week and you're eligible for a small prize and at the end there's a.

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Big prize, so it's just a way to engage the degree, engage the community try to.

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Get them to think about ways in which they can they can business economy that.

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We have, and so this this particular ordinance is part of a much broader.

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Picture, all of which we've sort of stacked to be able to help businesses.

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Get through this pretty terrible time, people are all recognized economically.

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For them, and- and so you know, I think it's an important part of the action. The.

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Feedback that has led to this really is motive. It motivated us to set this up.

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The way we have and that's twofold, so we receive feedback from businesses.

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Themselves from the chamber, other organizations that said hey, if you could.

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Do stuff to make the signage limitations a little bit more relaxed that will.

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Allow for, among other things, a signage, that's required to communicate some of.

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The health protocols for being going on and I'll take you through some of the details there and then from the kirkwood perspective. Really it was. This was.

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Initiated from the group asking to try this out and we.

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Really appreciate that, because certainly it's not something we want to do from.

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The top down from the city imposing it on on commercial interests. We want the.

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Commercial interests to be advocating for this because then then we know that.

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They are on board and that's what they've done so what I thought I would.

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Do if it's okay is is share a couple slides. They summarize what is captured.

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In the memo that you have, so it's not new information, which is why I didn't.

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Send it, along ahead of time, I'm certainly stephen. They able to make it.

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Available if people want to see it after the fact, but it essentially is extracting some of the key data from the memo I'll take you through that. I should.

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Also tell you that you know there has been a lot of intentionality in. What's.

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Going on here, a lot of due diligence as we've gone through what we wanted to do.

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And not and frankly not do and and as you may know, this has, this is making its.

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Way across a number of different public boards, so the plan commission has seen.

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It the board of public works, has seen it and then also a number of departments.

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Internal to the administration, so of course you know economic, sustainable.

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Developments been involved, planning and transportation have been involved, public.

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Works have been involved and ends another department so that we know that.

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Work or covering the bases we're trying to do this diligently and we're not.

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Creating problems when we're trying to solve them, so let me share my screen if.

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I may for just a couple slides again. This is pretty short.

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You see my screen. Okay, yes, thank you again. This is a to put to part the the.

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Easing signage regulations and then permitting for the signage and then also.

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The kirkwood closure so on the easing of sign signage regulation and permitting.

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The goals are to help businesses communicate their safety protocols.

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Potential customers and visitors during the reopening to remove barriers in the.

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Signed process during economically challenging times and to allow for a.

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Smooth transition back to normal sign requirements when the adjustments expire.

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So what we're asking for, through september thirtieth 2020 at this point.

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Is to suspend fees for temporary sign permits which cost $75 per temporary.

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Sign right now to suspend fees for permanent sign permits, which costs.

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Currently, closed, cost $125 and simplify and streamline the application and.

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Permitting process for temporary sign permits and relax certain restrictions.

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On temporary signs and sandwich boards in the mixed-use downtown district.

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So you'll see mostly the emphasis, is on temporary signs, because what we don't.

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Want to do is create a problem where people have exceeded regulations on a.

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Permanent sign and then have to pull that back when the period that we've.

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We've asked for relief ends, so we are relieving a costs on the permanent side.

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We think that that would be helpful to drive commerce, but not the actual, not.

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The actual limitations on permit signs and then from a kirkwood closure.

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Perspective to summer, the summary is, first of all what we wanted, what we're.

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Asking is a temporary closure of portions of kirkwood avenue to.

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Pedestrian traffic and to be able to expand seeing in the public right-of-way.

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So literally, what this would mean is restaurants and stores would have the.

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Sidewalk in front of there you know they're there brick-and-mortar shops and.

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The parking spots in front of them they would self-regulate to know who's, who.

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Had as much space, and we would essentially close the.

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Streets and we would create the the sidewalks within the now-former traffic.

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Lanes of that of those closed streets, so you would maintain ad a accessible.

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Accessibility, but you would have an extension of the inside space through.

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The sidewalk and onto the actual parking spaces of the of the closed blocks, the.

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Initial test that we're planning for is the weekend of june 19th through the.

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21St, starting at 5 o'clock on friday, the 19th and ending you know early evening.

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On the 21st, which is sunday again, all of this is by request by the kirkwood.

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Avenue association and then we do want to spend a lot of time paying attention.

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To what happens we, as I mentioned, we don't want to create any kind of.

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Problems that we're unintended, including health problems, so we will be paying.

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Close attention to this initial trial and if we all agree and then the.

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Kirkwood group is on board with this. If we all agree that it actually is a good.

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Thing- and we want to continue it we'd, like the opportunity to get to allow.

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Them to continue it through september 30th and then some minor activities.

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That'll be done on the administration side to support it number one that we.

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Would accept a single application for the seating and merchandising.

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Encroachment on behalf of all of the participating restaurants, and this.

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Should also add stores the accept they're participating, the nice thing.

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About the recent renovation of kirkwood is that city staff can easily close the.

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Streets by putting bollards off so we would put them between grant and done.

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And done in indiana for this the initial selected weekend, we could expand that as.

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Needed that we would put no parking signage on the affected blocks.

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Communicate with the food trucks to say you have to sort of not be in that area.

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Because, obviously, that would create some contention with seating area and then.

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Plate signage of both ends to redirect walking traffic through into the traffic.

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Lanes so that is that's a summary and I'm happy to ask number one: I'm here to.

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Answer any questions, and I know that mr. rooker from our legal.

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Apartment is available as well to help answer any technical questions that.

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Might arise out of this and thank you very much. Mr. hooker did you want to.

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Make additional comments right now or just be available to answer questions you know, I think anything I would say at this point would be repetitive of what.

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Alex said so, I think I'll just be available to answer questions committee.

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Members may have got it. Thank you. Committee members, questions comments.

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Observations council, member clarity, thank you.

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City staff from been with us tonight and thank you for the presentation, mr.

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crowley and I think, he's just checking out a few details here and my.

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Understanding- I'm sure you all are thinking about these things, but I.

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Believe at a work session previously it was mentioned that if seating is.

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Extended following to the sidewalks and parts of kirkwood are closed that that.

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Would then the street itself kirkwood would become the pedestrian corridor and.

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Then second, also thinking about signage. I know there were some parts in the.

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Ordinance that mentioned you know maximum or minimum width between signs.

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And that sort of thing, so basically just thinking about a da accessibility and.

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Walkability and wanting to make sure that all of that's been fully. You know.

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Thought of both in the context of science and seating, so I'll jump in and.

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Answer this one: yes, we have. We've discussed those issues thoroughly. There.

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Was some concern initially that by closing off the sidewalk, we may create.

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An ad a problem, but after doing some research on it in the legal department.

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It was clear that we could remain a da compliant by using the vehicular traffic.

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Space of the roadway as a pedestrian thoroughfare- and you know the good news.

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Is on that front, I guess I'm gonna call it good news, but maybe in this context.

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It's good news: bloomington is certainly not the first city to do this. This is.

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Something we've seen done in the post, koban 19 world or the post kovat 19.

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World but as part of economic recovery initiatives in lots of parts of this.

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State and the country, so this is a typical model.

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And it's been that it is as compliant with the a da okay. Thank you thank you.

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Other questions, councilmember hollen I'll, defer, okay,.

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Just a couple, quick questions on my part for the public's benefit we received.

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Supplement to the packet tonight that showed a markup of this sort of this of.

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This document, and it included the word merchandising and that was done.

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Specifically, so our retail stores could participate. Is that correct? That's a.

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Hundred percent right, councilmember s campbell larry, that's that's exactly.

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Right great, thank you and the kirkwood.

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Community association casey, a one of the clauses in here allowed the kirkwood.

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Community association to submit a single application for additional seating and.

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Merchandising encroachment and behalf of all participating restaurants are we.

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Still, tracking who's participating and who's not do. How does that work.

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Well, will there be any surprises of or competition over, certain areas of.

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Sidewalk or anything like that, well, let me answer that in a couple of different.

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Ways so one of the reasons we've limited this to the initial couple of blocks is.

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Because they have limited to it so the way that they've managed the process has.

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Been to sign a block captain to each of the blocks on kirkwood for start that.

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Block captain was responsible for getting 100% approval from the blocks.

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Commercial interests to close the street off, and so they were able to get that.

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That approval from the initial subset of total businesses on kirkwood for the.

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Blocks in question that I think, is a good way to do it, because then you don't.

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Run into the problem of some people saying hey, we didn't want this to happen and then suddenly we're you know everybody stuck in the middle of competing interests. So I think that that's that's helpful. The other thing.

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That's helpful, is you know, we're basically saying you need to hear the.

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Basic parameters that we're gonna do you know we're going to allow street closure.

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Allow you know infringement on that on the right-of-way, but you kind of need to.

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Police yourselves, so we don't want to be in the business of saying you know.

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Business a gets this particular footprint these business, be guess that.

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Foot footprint we'd like that to be managed by the kc a and then by the.

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Merchants itself, so so how that works out is going to be up to them. We don't.

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Want to dictate that as part of this, we do obviously want it to be friendly and.

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I think it's going to be, but part of the way to manage this carefully. Moving.

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Forward is to do a small trial. That's where ask asking for it. First.

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See how it goes see, what kind of problems come up and then you know work.

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Through those problems, I'm it's not going to be perfect and so beyond beyond.

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The macro risk of inadvertent, creating a health hazard there are there, are.

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They're likely going to be micro challenges along the way that we're gonna have to figure out, as if and and and when. This were to continue.

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Throughout the summer and fall so that's that's the approach we're taking and I I.

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Think it's a pretty strong organization to be able to manage that for themselves.

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And will certainly be here to help with with the basic you know, the blocking and.

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Tackling that we need to do to get the safety of the street closures and just.

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The logistics of this completely okay, thank you, that's helpful and plus we.

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Have scores of other cities, so we can learn from them. That's questions.

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Councilmember boland yeah. I was interested by the date that you chose to.

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Extend it to if it's successful september 30th, why not just go through.

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Farmers market season through the end of october, if it's successful, why? Why ended.

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That prematurely, that's also leaf changing season. It's a you know. There.

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Still would be a possibility of outside seating yeah I mean it was honestly a.

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Little bit arbitrary, I think our our primary objective was not to stop it.

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Before too early into the student return, so we felt.

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Like there would be a need to educate these, the whatever portion of the.

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Student body comes back for into back into into commercial interests in, in.

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Town, so we didn't want to cut it off too early, whether or not september 30th is.

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The end date, I think at this point, remains to be seen if it's wildly.

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Successful- and you know everybody agrees, it's a good thing and we should keep.

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Going with it we're not also arbitrarily throwing the gate down and saying that's.

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It one of the benefits, as I mentioned, of the kirkwood renovation, is that it.

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Allows for a very easy street closure process without and without involving a.

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Ton of resources to get that done, so it is pretty easy, at least on kirkwood, to.

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To push that out, if we wanted to do it, it was we come back to you for that, but.

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But I think for us we're just trying to extend it far enough into the return of.

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Students to allow for some reintegration and then kind of see where it see where.

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It goes from there. A lot of unknowns in the future is, as you might imagine, okay,.

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Because so as long as there's no like.

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Like it's, I don't know how to articulate it as long as you can extend it without.

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Trouble like, if you don't need our permission, to extend it. That's fine with me, but I feel, like you know like if you're.

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Going to go ahead and extend it if it works, you know farmers market is very.

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Similar in that it's outdoors until at least in this climate, until beginning of.

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November, so thank you and I would just jump in on that last point: councilmember.

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Folland in the event that we did want to extend it, I think we would likely come.

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Back to this body in some capacity to let you know that at the very least so.

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Okay; okay, as long as you need our permission to do it, but just as soon to.

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Give you the permission now and you can decide whether or not to cut it off.

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Early but we appreciate that trust. Okay, thank you. Other questions, councilmember.

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Clarity, yes, in section three, I have a couple questions related to this of the.

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Ordinance, the first, when, when section three discusses.

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Masika, the exact language, these formalities, you know, be waived and.

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Describe certain conditions, it's that referring to all of them, so.

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Both title 12 as well as title 20, all in in one category, would be the first like.

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They are section, three applies to both of those types of changes to both.

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Section 1 and section 2- I guess, is my first question so I'll jump in on this.

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One so it depends on section. 3 is a big paragraph, so it depends on which part of.

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Section 3 you're talking about the portion of section 3 that sets september.

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30Th as the cutoff date for these changes applies to both title 20 and.

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Title 12, but there are subsequent sections of subsequent sentences in.

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Section 3 that clarify the process for the different processes for extending.

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The title 12 relaxation and the title 20 relaxation, if that makes sense.

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God I see that now so is that and that was actually my other question- was.

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There's kind of two scenarios anticipated, both of which are, if the.

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Disaster emergency ends prior to september. 30 2020, is the first one. Then.

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And for title 12 specifically, and that's the one that council can take by.

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Resolution, and the second scenario outlined is for plan commission to have.

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Authority to take action, and that's for title 20- is that correct you've got it.

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Exactly right, okay, I'm all clear thanks.

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We can certainly continue with questions if there are others, but I would also I.

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Believe there are few people here to offer public comment and I just want to.

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Mention you may want to start indicating that now so we can track that just raise.

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Hand he's raising and functioning zoomed down at the bottom of your screen. Click.

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On participants and mr. lucas will keep us posted on on where we need to go so.

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Other questions from the committee.

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Okay, let's go to the public, then mr. lucas do we have believe I saw tisha.

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Topic indicate that she would like to comment.

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First, so I have unmuted her and she should be ready to go miss copic, thank.

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You for coming please go ahead, hi thank you and if you could, please introduce.

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Yourself in your old alrighty, okay, and I think that the host has to.

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Start the video, if not that's, okay, my name is tasha copic like downtown.

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Bloomington inc and, as you know, the kavod pandemic has devastated our.

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Downtown ecosystem. It includes restaurants and retailers that tractions.

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Galleries, personal care, salons and spas these types of businesses were the.

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Hardest hit by the pandemic because they had to close their business almost three.

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Months ago, at this point with no operational revenue, so fortunately some.

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Of these, businesses were able to receive the ppp federal assistance. Some.

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Benefited from the food and beverage rapid response, which was amazing that.

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The city was able to pull that together as quickly as he did. Then some decided.

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To not take out an additional loan and use savings so now these funds are.

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Starting to run out and the pandemic continues, the next three months are.

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Crucial for their business viability, much of downtown is starting to open, but.

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Very slowly and very gradually, and some venues and attractions still aren't.

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Allowed to open until july, we already know that reopening is not going to be.

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The same as it was when these businesses closed three months ago,.

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Everybody's doing things a little bit differently, they're acting quickly to.

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Change their modes of operation they've started some delivery options with the.

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Retailer's, bringing them to your front door, selling online options, they've got.

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Staggered shifts they're managing their employees, getting them back to work and.

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Getting them trained, they've got increased costs. You know.

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Getting their supply lines going again as a challenge, some are starting to look.

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At selling their businesses, succession planning, you know there and while at the.

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Same time, maneuvering all and needing to do it in a safe manner.

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Consistent with the health department guidelines with the physical distancing.

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Wearing mass, you know, they're having to coach their staff, keep those masks on be.

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Very respectful of your customers coming in you're having to coach customers.

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Provide mass to remind them that you know bloomington is very serious about.

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Our mask policy and being safe and and so that's an important message that.

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They're helping share to people who come into our community and our local folks.

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The restaurants are still at 50% capacity. People are hesitant to come.

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Inside that's, what's so exciting about using some of this outdoor street space.

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Back to your question about you know: how do you determine who's going to take.

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Over the street, or not how much space they did still have to keep their.

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Occupancy to 50% and their seating, but because people aren't coming inside this.

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Is going to help them even meet that retail is still reduced, occupancy and.

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For most of our stores, that means only two people in the shop at a time, so.

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They've got, you know, different challenges with you know some of them.

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Even knowing who's open in his clothes- and I think some of these signage.

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Waivers and changes are going to be able to help them just even announced that.

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They're open and we want people to come in there's you know, they've got all.

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Kinds of challenges with you know negotiating some of their red terms with.

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No decisions when leases come due and if they've got the energy to get back in.

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There and rebuild the business knowing that it's going to take a while. You know.

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Some are looking into all kinds of different options and so they're using.

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Best practices around the country sharing different information with each.

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Other but kind of the one exciting thing about all of this is brought a lot of.

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Differ groups of people together the kirkwood group like they're, getting together now meeting the brick-and-mortar group.

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Continues to meet, it's opened up a lot of communication, the galleries you know.

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They've always had a strong committee but they're starting to do virtual.

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Gallery walks, even the venues have combined together with other venue.

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Owners to talk about what they can do once they open with best practices so.

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But in all of this, most importantly, reopening really has to do with customer.

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Sentiments about safety and feeling comfortable getting back in public and.

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Going to restaurants and events and shops so kind of our responsibility as.

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Businesses and public officials to remind people those maths really do help.

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You do need to wash your hands, you need to stay six foot away, but you know try.

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To get back to some sense of business, while doing that, you know it also has to.

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Do with shoppers worries about unemployment, and if they personally need.

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To conserve resources until they feel confident to spend, so it's a very deep.

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Situation that we're all in right now and I think the ordinances before you.

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Now the fee waivers and the reductions and the relaxed sign orange and the.

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Additional space outdoors, they're, important policies that say that you.

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Care and that you want to help where you can get downtown back open and every bit.

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Helps some things are going to be big, some are going to be little, but you know.

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To that individual person who just I just want to put a sign up for you know.

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They want to just do one thing: that's a really really important for them, and.

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Marketing their message, and so I'd like to thank the mayor and the city.

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Sustainable committee and the city council for once again stepping forward.

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To support downtown and the small businesses and all of our attractions, we.

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Support the ordinance before you, and just thank you so much for being such.

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Great community leaders, thank you, miss copy.

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Thank you, mr. lucas. I believe next, the b-squared beacon is ready to make a.

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Comment, I believe that would be mr. rathman, yes, councilmembers cammalleri.

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Thank you. This is dave asking us with the beast, but we can and first off I.

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Don't have an expectation that any of the questions that I have will.

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Necessarily get answered, I do understand, it's not meant to be a back-and-forth.

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But in any case, I think opportunity to ask the questions and it might be an.

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Efficient way to get answers so there's a note in the packet about this.

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Ordinance under a subheading, it's called unusual legislation and a.

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Note under that subheading says, while the ordinance may look like an amendment.

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To title 20, it isn't and not follow the procedures for an amendment so that.

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Makes me wonder? Well- and I guess you can call this question one in what way are.

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The procedures for passing this ordinance departing from the procedures.

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For passing a code amendment- and I would add from my part from where I'm sitting.

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It doesn't look at all like a change just title 20 and in fact it seems like.

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It almost doesn't do anything at all and the only reason it seems like it does.

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Something is that it has the word ordinance at the top, and I and the.

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Reason I say that if you look at the whereas clauses there's one that says.

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Whereas the city possesses discretion to not enforce portions of its human code.

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During these extraordinary times, and would like to make clear to all affected.

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Persons and businesses which local regulations will not be enforced and.

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Then there's another, whereas clause that says, whereas for a temporary period of.

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Time as described below, the city will be relaxing and or waiving certain.

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Formalities related to signed regulations. So if you condense, you know.

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The giant pile of words that is, I mean I don't mean that to be disparaging of the.

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Crafting of the ordinance I mean, any ordinance is going to be a giant pile of words and article I read write is a giant pile of words, but if you condense that bunch of words, what you've got is something like.

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Whereas the city will be doing xyz, the council ordains.

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That the city requests that the city will be doing xyz. So it's a little.

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Puzzling as to why the council actually needs to to perform this legislative act.

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So oops with that, as a background to additional questions, question 2 is the.

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Discretion to not enforce code during music store, denari x, tied to a specific.

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Way or tied in a specific way to one of the governor's orders and if so, which.

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One and the final question question 3 from a legal point of view. Why is this.

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In the form of an ordinance, as opposed to a resolution, because a resolution.

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Seems like it had the advantage that it could have been done in a single step at.

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The council's meeting tonight, instead of adding a committee hearing now and then.

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It'll go to a vote at a meeting next week. So is this important legally that.

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It be an ordinance, or is it basically that it extends the process and it helps.

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With the communications effort, is that really the point, or is it in fact a.

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Legal issue, that's sort of what I'm concerned with thanks a bunch. I believe. Next up, we have mike mcafee, who should be unmuted and.

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Ready to come in, and let me also point out that mr. mcafee has added the b time.

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Summer challenge.com website as a previous mac, he please go ahead. Yeah.

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Thanks for having me, my name is mike mcgee, I'm one with visible blooming.

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Tonight I did throw that in the chat there when, when alex introduced, that.

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Summer challenge: promotion: if you want to check that out, that's a sneak preview.

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That that will go live in a few days I did. I did want to start off by.

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Thanking the committee for this action- and I also wanted to.

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Compliment alex for his leadership on the recovery group he's been doing a.

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Great job and I really appreciate his leadership- I was looking at the food and.

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Beverage commission info- and I saw that the may some a business, and so it would.

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Be on the june report, the june report for the food and beverage tax brought in.

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Is about a hundred and seventy thousand dollars in may business for 2020 last.

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Year may of 2019, it was three hundred and forty three thousand dollars. So one.

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Percent of you know, 170 thousand is one percent of seventeen million three.

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Hundred forty three thousand is one percent of thirty-four million, so basically food and beverage revenues and cutting house in the county. The chart.

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For this year shows that the city has has been keeping about. Ninety percent of.

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That tax, so they've been generating about ninety percent of that revenue in.

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The city owned for the city located collection points for that food and.

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Beverage tax, so that's about fifteen to sixteen million dollars in food and.

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Beverage revenue for city, food and beverage collection points when last.

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Year was about thirty million, so that just shows you what the coronavirus has.

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Done it's really cut that business in half and we're seeing that and what the.

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Restaurants are reporting so tons of lost jobs. I've heard you know slowly.

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They're recovering starting to recover, I mean we saw it as soon as the governor's.

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Plan the the the calendar that he put forth or the plan that he put forth and.

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Then what monroe county and and the city bloomington followed a little bit later.

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But we saw as soon as we every time we reached a new step and more things were.

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Allowed to open, we could just see it and the numbers ticking up at hotels at.

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Restaurants and those types of things so so it is, it is things are slowly, but.

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Surely coming back, I just want to make those points but but no doubt downtown.

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And and and I'm certainly coming at it from a hospitality business standpoint.

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Restaurants and retail make up a big part of our incredible.

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Downtown incredibly impactful on not only our economy, which I just talked.

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About but our culture identifies what bloomington is all about and and one of.

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The most attractive things and the thing that citizens and visitors love most.

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About our community, obviously, but this is important for all the reasons that.

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Alex and cilicia already pointed out, I love what alex was saying about a trial.

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This is, I mean all of you know. This is all about safety right. This is all about.

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Our we need to be able to provide a safe product down there, both to community.

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Members and they need to feel comfortable about it, they need to be.

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Feel comfortable taking their families down there. They need to feel comfortable.

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Telling their friends and relatives to come all that type of stuff, so safety is.

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A huge part of it, so I love the fact that we can use this as a trial going.

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Forward to build up that confidence both locally and as we begin to get that.

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Messaging out to indianapolis and other places when visit, the willington does.

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That, in a few weeks months, when the time is right to start attracting that so so.

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I think, having this extra feeding, obviously uh you know to know its safety.

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Part of that is a no-brainer the further these I was reading some statistics.

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About the safest activities that are the hardest to catch, the coronavirus based.

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On a scale of one to ten outside seating was a for. An inside seating was a six.

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Based on that scale of one to ten, so I think that's obvious, but it was.

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Interesting to actually read it, it was a study of some michigan healthcare.

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Experts we're talking about that. You know more space, gives you more room to.

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Advertise or promote your safety protocols, the things you're doing above.

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And beyond what you were doing, pre coronavirus, that is what I read was the.

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Number one reason people are going to places is because that business or.

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Organization has made changes to make their business or their their.

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Environment for their customers, more safe and they're, telling them about.

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So having the signage available to do that is key, and, and for this and another.

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Reason to approve this action. Obviously it's going to lead to more business and.

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Having more room and more tables- and it's just going to be able to tell.

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People that we that they're open having that they'll also may be able to.

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Put menu items out there that can improve the quality of the experience.

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That's going to be important going forward more than ever when we are.

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Having visitors coming into community, hopefully later this fall, that's gonna.

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Be on a limited capacity, it won't be the same as it was in the passive. As I said,.

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Before I think, bloomington is positioned well to do as well as anybody just.

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Because we are a small town, people are looking for small town places to get.

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Away to less population densities, they want to avoid crowds where it's safer.

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And we have the amenities of a lot a lot of beers communities. So so we sit well.

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For that, as long as we open up safely and can offer a safe product- and these.

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Two measures will go a long way towards that. Thank you.

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These are any questions yep so and I'm in correctly, it looks like we have one.

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More miss morgan is that correct. Mr. lucas, yes, okay, miss morgan, welcome.

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Please go ahead. Hi, I'm mary morgan with the greater.

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Bloomington chamber of commerce, I echo what alex intuition and mike have.

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Already said, the chamber's, the chamber staff has been doing a lot of work over.

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The past couple months, on behalf of the broader community and the broader.

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Business community, but one of the things we did specifically for our members was.

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In april, we, we called all of our roughly 900 members to check in and to see how.

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They were doing and to see what some of their needs were and the things that.

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You're acting on tonight our direct reflection of some of the feedback we.

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Got when we were talking to people and in when we've been talking to them since.

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Then, and as they consider reopening so these are important actions to take.

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I mean these are either nothing you're doing tonight is a silver bullet, but.

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Each little thing as to lycia said helps when I was talking to some of these.

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Business owners, frankly, some of their stories were heartbreaking. These are.

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People in our community, many of them who've, been here for decades and and.

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Watching, what's happening not to just their businesses but to the people that.

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They work with and that they support and to the families of those those people so.

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Everything that you can do tonight and in the future will be very much.

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Appreciated you know it might seem like a small thing, but really you're sending.

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A message that the city is an ally to these people in our community and for.

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The businesses, but but really to the people that they employ and who are in.

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Their livelihoods at these local businesses, so thanks very much. Thank you.

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Miss morning, mr. lucas, I'm not seeing any additional comment or czar. You know.

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Okay, thank you. We'll come back to the committee in just a second. Are there any.

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Additional comments from the city from mr. crowley or mr. crowley go hood. Yeah.

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Well, I I just wanted to first of all thank everybody for the public comment.

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Number one the chamber, as I mentioned earlier, has been instrumental in pulling.

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Together that kind of pre opening opening phase, it was a huge lift and they just stood up a tremendous amount of information.

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Sharing so it was really super impressive to see that happen and and.

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Actually very necessary, because I think that that gave a sense of calm and.

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Predictability, some of the businesses that might have otherwise been a little.

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Bit frazzled by that potential exercise, dbi, delicias team and and group I mean.

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They have denton bloomington inc. The reason why there are these groups that.

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Exists is because of the work that she's done to to organize that in advance.

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You know you do that and it's great that they exist in normal times. It's.

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Particularly great, they exist in moments like these, because it allows for.

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Coalescing of groups and sharing of information so.

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It's it's. You know pretty amazing what dvi does all the time, but particularly.

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Now and then visit bloomington, you know mike, is as being a little bit shy about.

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This but visit bloomington is, is the group that has basically created b-town.

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Summer challenge and he and aaron white and members seems really they created us.

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Basically from scratch, and the advantage of it is that not only will it be.

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Helpful this summer, but actually it's being created with an eye towards future.

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Years so so, the summer time in bloomington has always been a slow period, and you know it the reason. It's not branded kovin, specifically for.

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Example is because we don't want it to be one and done. We want this to be.

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Something that can be useful well into the future, as you know, as the doldrums.

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Of the summer inevitably will hit in the future as students come and go so I mean.

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All of those organizations- and you know the b square beacon I should mention.

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Thank you for those questions. I will, of course, defer to my con this, because I.

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Don't know the answers, but you know thank you for the for the you know the.

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Scrutiny and the coverage but but but certainly just wanted to highlight the.

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Roles that these organizations are playing in keeping us all, you know.

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Strong as strong as possible during these times, thank you. Thank you. Mr.

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Crowley, mr. roker did you have anything yet sure I would be happy to do my best to address mr. askins questions. I think.

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I've got them, but if I've missed something, if somebody would please remind me, let me know, I think the first question was: what would the the normal.

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Process be for an amendment to title 20 and the short answer to that is that if.

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The council wanted to pass an amendment to title 20. They would take it up to him.

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And at a meeting they would then have to refer it to the plan commission for.

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Consideration before they could do the amendment, the plan commission would have.

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60 days after it was referred to the plan commission to make a recommendation.

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On the proposed amendment and then after they made a recommendation, it would come.

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Back to the city council, which would have 90 days then to consider whether or.

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Not to follow the plan commission's amendment excuse me follow the plan.

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Commission's recommendation, or not with regard to the amendment so.

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Title 20 changes are different than changes to other portions of the city.

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Code, it's a little bit more intense than you would normally see with regard to.

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The second question: I think the question was essentially: why is this an ordinance.

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And you know, I think this is one of those things where we are living through.

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An extraordinary moment and imposing these sorts of extraordinary measures is.

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Something that none of us have done before doing this. You know for eleven.

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Years I know mr. sherman's been doing this for a lot longer than me, and these.

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Are unique moments when we're when we're passing ordinances in ways that are a.

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Little bit more creative than we normally would so this ordinance does in.

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Fact request that the executive branch of city government exercise its.

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Discretion to not enforce portions of title 20, which is a really unique.

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Measure- and I think that's something that we would feel very uncomfortable.

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Doing without agreement from the legislative branch as well that this is.

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An extraordinary moment where that sort of unique approach would be appropriate.

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For a temporary period of time, so this is not sort of ordinance. I would.

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Anticipate seeing again, but in this particular unique moment this is this- is.

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The mechanism we have for that, so I hope that addresses those questions. If there.

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Were others that that I didn't quite fully answer I'd be happy to do my best.

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If I'd missed them, mr. roker, let's come back to committee questions.

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Comments, discussion, councilmember roland, I don't have any questions. I was going.

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To comment: wait: what there was a question posed in the chat room. I don't.

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Know if I'll deal with that first.

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Question from admins on facebook is the health department involved in outdoor.

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Table cleaning process or helping set up outdoor hand, sanitizing stations for.

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Yeah I defer to alex on that one I'm I don't know if the health department has.

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Been involved at all, the health department has been consulted by the kca.

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So from the, I think what the question has to do with the kirk widow closing.

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Right and they have been involved in some of those discussions and weighed in.

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And provide some feedback now you know the governmental units, whether it's the.

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County or the city are not specifically involved in providing hardware tables.

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Cleaning supplies that sort of thing I think all of that will be the.

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Responsibility of the commercial interests that are participating. What.

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We're gonna do from a city perspective is, is, you know, create disclosures and.

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Prepare them and and get the logistics right and from a health department.

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Perspective, certainly, the guidance that I think it was cilicia perhaps mentioned.

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That that, for example, capacity you cannot, you cannot increase your capacity.

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By having an increased outdoor space, what your capacity is is what it is.

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And this was guidance that came from them. That said, you know, pay attention.

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That you cannot somehow expand your footprint and then call it incremental.

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Capacity so, but to her point you know what it does allow for is sense of.

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Comfort from people visiting a restaurant or whatever that allows them.

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To perhaps do it in a way that they might not if they were required to go.

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Indoors so they have been involved in, as you know, in consultation in the process.

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But, but not in in a direct kind of hardware way, if you will thank you. Mr.

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Crowley, mr. flaherty, you did, I see your hand earlier, please no honey. Could you.

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Unmute yep, thank you yeah. I am. I mean it maybe to do some more thinking.

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Toward together particulate things fully clearly, but I guess some looking at the.

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Where, as clauses it's it's not it's not completely clear to me under what.

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Authority, certain ell of this are being done, whether it's all.

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Just could be done at any time per home rule authority generally or if any of.

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This is tied directly to the emergency order or, if the or, if the references to.

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State emergency orders are just sort of for context and, and you know, legislative.

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History and clarity, but in particularly the second-to-last, where, as clause that.

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Says the city possesses discretion to not enforce portions of municipal code.

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During these extraordinary times, is that meant to say that we only have that.

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Discretion during an emergency, or is it more generic than that and then also the.

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Term the city there is, that meant to mean the executive and legislative.

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Collectively, as a political subdivision, working in concert via ordinance or is.

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It meant to mean the city executive specifically, and I am certain that's for.

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Mr. roker sure I hate to get into a discussion about relative powers of the.

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Branch, if an email exchange is better, that's that's fine. I mean it. I can at.

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Least, attempt to approach it real, quick in this meeting to give some guidance.

E

You know, I think it may be helpful to consider the various package of measures.

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Individually, so that may be the easiest one is sort of the temporary and and.

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Permanent sign fees, for example, there's already a provision in the in the city.

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Code and in the in the you do that says: we're a measures being actively promoted.

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By this, the city, the the plan commission can go ahead and wave permit fees and.

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The planning commission chose to do that at its meeting on monday already so so.

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That's done with regard to sort of closing the right-of-way. There probably.

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Would have been a couple of ways to proceed with that we've opted to do it.

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By formally requesting a suspension of or extension, I should say, relaxation of.

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Some of the title 12 requirements from the city council, but probably this could.

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Have been done, it would've been maybe a little clunkier, but it could have done been done with a number of special event permits and applications to the board of.

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Public works so there's also a process for that that created some additional.

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Com locations, but there would have been a way to do that already, just just under the the current scheme that we have and.

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That would have that would have probably worked for that portion of it with.

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Regard to the relaxation of temporary signs so that businesses have the.

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Flexibility to put up signs about the pandemic, directing customers in terms of.

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How to act, and then also signs that will be required to be located in different.

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Places as a result of the expansion of seating and merchandising that just made.

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Sense in the context of the other changes, and so that's where we're really requesting that the council be in lockstep with the executive branch and.

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Saying, let's exercise a little bit of prosecutorial discretion in this case.

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And, and do what make sense, as opposed to you know, being a draconian with with the.

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The strict requirements of title 20, if that makes sense, so sure, thank you and, and so, if I understood correctly, then from that and.

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None of those measures are directly tied to an emergency order being in effect or.

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Anything like that is, these are all things we could exercise at any time.

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Under the authority we have, I would make that argument. There might be some people.

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Who wouldn't agree with me, but I certainly would say that okay, thank you.

F

Thank you, councilmember sandberg. I certainly appreciated mr. rooker's.

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Explanation as to how we would normally go through a change in a title going.

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Through the plan commission and how many days that involves, we are in.

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Unprecedented times, we're dealing with a very serious code, 19 epidemic is having.

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A very serious impact on our downtown on all smith, small businesses everywhere.

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And, to the extent that we can use our ability to streamline the process and.

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Still, keep it transparent and we were having this meeting tonight. We are an.

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Advisory to the rest of the council and to put this out there for the public to.

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Understand what we're trying to do and why we're trying to do it, I think, makes.

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Perfect sense, in a time that none of us have experienced before I have grave.

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Concerns about our downtown businesses, they are struggling and many are going.

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To survive, men perhaps are not and anything the city of.

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Bloomington can do within its authority and within proper transparency.

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Procedures to make things easier, make things less onerous, I think, is a step in.

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A very positive direction- I I do want to have one more comment about other people.

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Who are hurting in our arts and entertainment district and that's the.

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Performing artists they're going to be the last to recover from this terrible.

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Terrible pandemic in getting people in the seats of our theaters, the bus, kirk.

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Chumley and of course the waldron is now in in flux for it for another reason and.

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Starting here with the small businesses and the restaurants, with this trial,.

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Balloon, if you will to allow them to expand, to allow them to safely allow.

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More people to enter into the commercial district, I think, is again it's if there.

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Are risks involved clearly, and we want to respect all that advice, we're getting.

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From the health professionals about how how wise this is to start, allowing.

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People to gather, but if we can do it outdoors during the summer months and.

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Not go through all the red tape that we normally have to, so that we can do this.

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And give some wheels turning for getting some energy flowing in that downtown. I.

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Think it's critically important that we do that as a stepping stone for a very.

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Long and slow recovery that we have ahead of ourselves, so I am in complete.

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Support of this, regardless of what mechanisms we've had to employ, I think.

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They're common-sense and I'm happy to support it and pass a recommendation on.

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To our colleagues, thank you. Thank you. Councilmember clarity, um yeah actually,.

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One more question that came to mind: if that's okay, I think it's probably for.

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Mr. crowley, I had a, I actually had a constituent asked the other day if, if.

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You know just about this general concept, I'm not sure if she had already heard.

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About what the kirkwood community association was planning or not, but she.

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Had asked specifically about the business the owlery which, which she.

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Likes to frequent, you know, on the north side of the square of the north side of.

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The square is actually closed right now for construction purposes. I think, but it made me look. I don't know if the owlery.

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Is part of the kirkwood community association or if their association.

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Extends any businesses off of kirkwood, so I guess my question is: has the city.

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Done any outreach or had any inquiries from other businesses in our downtown.

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That might not be part of this particular proposal from the kc a to.

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Have similar similarly available to them, you know the.

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Ability to have outdoor seating in an expanded way that might help them kick.

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Start their business earlier than they otherwise would, and if so, what of the.

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What's come of those discussions so far, and if not, is that something you all.

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Would be open to doing so those have come up and and legitimately right, so we.

D

Don't mean to limit the benefit to kirkwood, one of the advantages of.

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Starting on kirkwood, which is really this is the start, is that it's easy to.

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Do the ballers the new infrastructure, I mean it makes it a lot easier to do.

D

A43 has come up as a potential place. You know. Obviously other parts of town have.

D

The same would would benefit from from this kind of activity. It's gonna be a.

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Balancing act between safety and and benefit. You know it's a little harder to.

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Close college than it is to close kirkwood- and you know so- we just have to.

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Be a little bit careful and deliberate about how we go back doing it. Public.

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Works and moisten and public works department has expressed a willingness.

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To look at other areas, and- and so I think I think the short answer is.

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Absolutely open to it may not be possible everywhere, certainly takes more.

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Effort in other places, effort from a city staff perspective and but that.

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Would not keep us from doing it. We just have to be careful about what it means.

D

Where it's happening you know traffic patterns and- and we want to make sure we.

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Try to extend this benefit to as many businesses as possible. The objective is.

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Really to try to help as many business as possible. Thank you.

A

Thank you other member : yeah echo, canceller sandberg sentiments.

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I think that we are in an extraordinary time. This is no ordinary emergency and.

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They require extraordinary measures. I feel satisfied with the answer that mr.

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Roker gave about why this is an ordinance rather than a resolution, and.

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It in a way it's sort of like we need an ordinance to create new city code. We.

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Should use an ordinance to suspend it, so I'm satisfied with that. I do think that.

C

September 30th is an arbitrary date and it's our purely early. You know, as I said,.

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October is usually the most popular tourist season in bloomington or at.

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Least in the the region, you know that when the leaves change, colors and the.

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Weather is nice enough that restaurants can and do you serve many days outside.

C

If they have outdoor seating and because iu has announced that they will only.

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Have students present in town or at least classes in person until.

C

Thanksgiving, I am contemplating a an amendment to simply change the word.

C

September to november, in other words, that the permission to do this would end.

C

November 30th most restaurants are probably not going to do want to do that.

C

But this gives them the option. I don't see any point in stopping on september.

C

30Th with this it's an unusual time and I don't feel.

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Like we, I don't need economic and sustainable developed to come back to us.

C

For a resolution to get permission to continue after september 30th, I think.

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That they should just have permission through the possible warm days right up.

C

Through you know, the lighting of the christmas trees on the courthouse square.

C

Thank you, member sandberg, and with my rosy.

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Recommendation here I do want to put one word of caution out there and that we.

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Still need to watch the trends with the koban if we start to see spikes and flu.

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Season approaching- and there have been projections that there could be a second.

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Wave, even in spite of you, know, people's good intentions to socially distance and.

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Wear masks and everything else if we start to see a rise in covent cases as a.

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Result of what we're doing, I would err on the side of maybe being a little more.

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Cautious keeping it to september for now and until we get a little bit more.

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Experience under our belts with what this might do to the actual health.

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Crisis in our community does that does that make sense I mean we could always.

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Revisit that, if we want to extend but I'm uncomfortable with keeping it to.

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September and that this is a temporary measure, as we try to see, will some of.

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These lightening up of some you know signage and some less or fees and more.

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Extension into the street will help the businesses, but we also have a health.

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Crisis that we've got to monitor very carefully.

A

Thank you remember going well just to respond to that. I think that you know.

C

One of the things we've established about the kovach crisis is that you know.

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It the outbreaks happen most indoors with hvac, with people sitting in close.

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Quarters and what we're proposing is the opposite of that is people sitting.

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Outdoors with the wind blowing and sitting socially distance, so you know I.

C

Certainly, share customer sandberg's concern about the health pandemic. I'm.

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Certainly I'm somebody who is advanced risk myself, but I think that this is one.

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Measure that I mean flu season, I don't think it ramps up. You know before.

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Thanksgiving, maybe I'm wrong about that. All I said in my first comment: was I'm.

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Contemplating an amendment I think, it's modest and again I think that the.

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Administration has done a pretty good job, so far of you know, reacting to the crisis being careful about it and all we're doing is.

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Saying they have permission if they see fit to extend till then, but I don't see.

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That the need for them to come back to us for renewal of it.

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Through november 30th, so I'm still thinking about it.

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It's not that big a deal. I want to get feedback from people, whether they you.

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Know they think it's a big deal, but I would extend it. You know at least.

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Through october, so that's my comment. Thank you. Thank you, larry sure I don't.

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Have much to add, I support this. I think it's a great idea to allow allow our.

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Businesses to to operate in a safer way and in a way that I think, a lot of folks.

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Will be more comfortable with getting getting back to restaurants, downtown and.

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Retailers merchandisers as well, so I think it's great great way to enhance.

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Our public space and use some new features we've installed on kirkwood. I.

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Hope you look seriously at fourth street and them when I mentioned the owlery.

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That be likes between walnut and college on the north side of the square.

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In fact, my hometown springfield illinois, where I was born, they have a historic.

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Downtown square similar and the north and south so that the east west sides of.

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The square are sort of arterioles just like ours, and the north south sides are.

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Permanently closed as pedestrian malls on the north and south side of the.

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Square in springfield illinois, which is kind of nice for those businesses anyway,.

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I support it. Thank you staff for your work on it. Other comments. Okay, I'll just.

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Chime in at the end to you.

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Great, let's go I need to. I think this is a delightful idea. I think, as we recover.

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From 7:19 you know, I want to get back to a lot of our favorite places and.

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Anything we could need to encourage people to do that safely and to begin.

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That revitalization process is great, and I appreciate.

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In particular, just clearly it's, but a lot of funny half has looked at this.

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Planning board of public works reviewed it last night, so I appreciate the due.

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Diligence you put into this and I'm looking forward to our downtown being.

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Back and I am totally looking forward to the summit challenge, so I look forward.

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To seeing that, with that I'll entertain a motion for keypad, we do pass.

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Second, thank you, council members mullen and sandberg. So we do. You want to call.

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The roll or shall we just go around I'll call it councilmember bowling. Yes,.

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What's a member sandburg? Yes, that's a member flaherty! Yes, and I will vote yes.

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As well so any other comments questions the good of the order, just just a.

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Reminder that the committee, a report will need to be produced and signed.

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Before next week's regular session, so I can work with the committee chair to get.

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That drafted, but committee members should keep their eye open for that.

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Report being circulated, may I make a final comment please mr. crowley, so I.

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First of all, just wanted to thank the committee for your review of this, which.

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Is a little convoluted, but it's really. We really appreciate you looking at it.

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And ask many questions you did and and thanking the committee and and council. I.

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Mean it is pretty remarkable how councils supported a lot of the.

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Activities that not only the esr working group but the social services working.

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Group has undertaken, and we really appreciate the the support to to try to.

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Do you know the somewhat limited stuff that we can do as a governmental entity.

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To help but it, but it is certainly not gone unnoticed in the community. How.

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Supportive councils been- and we really appreciate it-.

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Thank you. Mr. crowley,.

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This group is there a motion to adjourn. They moved some of you all of you all.

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Those in favor, please indicate by saying aye, aye opposed and abstentions,.

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And on with that, thank you for your time tonight enjoy the rest of your evening.

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We'll see you in the next checkerboard.

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Night, everybody thanks.

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