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A
Good
evening,
everyone,
this
is.
B
Here:
okay:
okay,
thank
you.
Seeing
that
all
the
present
tonight's
agenda
for
this
regular.
A
Session,
we'll
start
with
the
approval
of
minutes,
which
none
are
indicated,
then.
A
A
A
It
will
have
time
for
additional
public
comment.
Then
we'll
deal
with
matters
of
the
council's.
A
C
Council
member
clarity-
yes,
just
a
very
brief
note
that
I
have
kind
of
a
nasty
cold,
so
I
might.
C
Be
going
on
and
off
video
tonight
to
blow
my
nose
and
sneeze
in
the
like,
so
I
just
wanted
to.
A
A
Scene,
nine:
we
will
now
go
to
the
public.
A
A
Okay,
if
that's
the
case,
then
I
think
we
will
allow
five
minutes.
A
So,
who
do
we
have
ready,
miss
lacy?
We
have
jim
shelton,
oh.
D
E
E
In
the
evening,
it'll
be
via
zoom,
and
we
very
much
need
volunteers
to
step
forward
and
volunteer.
E
E
E
E
E
E
E
D
A
F
B
B
H
Yes,
thank
you
that
appointment
is
approved
9-0.
I
would
just
like
to
take
a
moment
to
thank
mr.
A
Flaherty
not
an
appointment,
sorry
jumping
the
gun
on
the
next
section
of
the
agenda.
A
Okay,
see
no
other
appointments
to
boards
and
commissions.
I
do
believe.
A
B
B
A
Councilmember
flaherty
send
my
apologies,
no
no
you're
fine.
I
move
that
ordinance.
21
26
be
adopted.
D
This
wall
is
present
and,
and
she
should
be
able
to
unmute
herself
and
turn
her
camera
on.
J
But
I
wanted
to
go
over
and
be
very
transparent
about
our
trade.
Our
citation
process.
J
J
Then
we
will
it
populates
in
our
system.
After
we
put
the
information
in
manually.
J
J
J
Dmv
is
back,
the
bmv
is
backed
up
and
they
don't
get
records
in
in
time
or
there's
exchange
of.
J
Of
sold
property
so
and
every
time
we
do
send
a
citation
to
rover
and
we
pick
up
a
record.
J
What
seems
to
have
what
happens?
Is
we
get
charged
1.95
fee
and
then
there
was.
J
Everyone
was
aware
of
what
I
researched
there's
current
17
197
debtors
in
the
collection
agency.
J
Nine
hundred
and
ninety
the
outstanding
amount
is
1.5
million,
since
the
contract
that.
J
J
Eighty
dollars
collection
fees
added
to
each
citation
is
thirty
percent.
So
an
example
would.
J
J
The
collection
rate
by
capital
recovery
is
40.5
and
I
believe
one
of
the
commissioners
had
a.
J
J
Capital
recovery
supervisor
explained
to
me
that
normally
people
with
low
balanced
debts.
J
Do
not
use
payment
plans,
and
so,
if
it's
a
thousand
possibly
a
hundred
dollars,
probably
not.
J
J
Is
135
when
you're
towed,
unless
this
special
treatment
needing
a
dolly
or.
J
You
know
a
huge
flatbed.
They
do
charge
a
25
additional
fee
if
that's
necessary,
but
the
average.
J
J
J
Everybody
is
required
to
file
specific,
very
specific
guidelines.
They
have
to
do
a
tile
search.
J
J
J
Payment
of
the
entire
fee-
or
there
is
a
second
clause
in
there
that
says,
payment
of
20.
J
Then
all
of
them
be
pushed
to
the
collection
agency
and
then
they
would
require
parking.
J
To
provide
to
parking
24
to
48
hours
that
they
have
set
themselves
up
in
a
payment
plan.
J
Of
their
vehicle,
without
payment,
we
can
do
one.
We
can
do
both
there's
other.
J
The
two
that
seem
to
really
resonate
with
us-
I
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that.
J
J
The
legislation
as
written
does
not
do
that.
It
doesn't
give
them
any
notification,
it
doesn't.
J
A
Council
member
clarity,
yes,
thank
you
miss
wahl
for
the
presentation
and
updates.
I'm
sorry
can.
C
Of
near
the
end,
one
more
time-
and
these
are
these
aren't
codified
or
in
in
the.
J
A
person's
citations
to
collections,
and
so
we
are
considering
to
do
a
30-day.
J
Time,
unfortunately,
knowing
that
there's
17
000
dollars,
there
is
no
way
we
could
administer.
J
A
payment
plan,
but
there
there
would
be
no
reason
why
my
administrative
staff
couldn't
take.
J
J
That
we
have
been
going
through,
but
there
there
would
be
no
reason
why
they
couldn't
call
my
staff.
J
To
you
know,
help
explain
their
situation
and
we'll
be
glad
to
work
with
a
new
resident.
C
Second
option:
sending
a
debt
immediately
to
collections.
I
I
assume
that
would
be.
C
Essentially,
only
at
the
offenders
initiative
or
choice
as
a
mechanism
or
a.
C
J
C
G
The
state
since
the
contract
in
2012
total
amount
collected
1.2
million.
The
csr
has.
G
In
other
words,
it
looks
like
the
csr
should
have
collected
three
360
thousand
dollars
for.
G
G
G
G
The
contract
citations
paid
in
full
is
23
000
is
that
so,
in
other
words,
so
there's
still.
G
G
A
Okay
scene:
none
we'll
go
to
the
public
for
public
comment
on
ordinance,
21-26.
A
Who
do
we
have
ready,
miss
lacy?
Presently
it
appears
that
there
is.
L
L
A
Before
we
get
started,
we'll
give
you
a
full
time.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
your
public.
A
L
Okay
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
I'm
glad
this,
this
ordinance
came
up
because
it
got
me.
L
L
A
detached
house-
and
I
just
I
thought
this-
was
a
good
example
of
a
case
where.
L
Other
more
applicable
ordinances,
instead
of
using
the
long-term
planning
tool
of
zoning
as
a
sort.
L
Of
clutch,
because,
as
I
read
the
ordinance
it
looks
like
if
any
single
family
house
is
is
converted.
D
With
the
screen
name
anani
miyani,
maybe
the
person
should
be
able
to
unmute
yeah
hi.
N
This
is
anonymi.
The
only
point
I
want
to
raise
is
that
you
want
to
cancel
the
parking
permits.
N
D
G
To
put
this
ordinance
into
perspective,
this
is
a
an
incremental
change
to
parking
policy,
but
one.
G
That
makes
the
process
for
delinquent
parker's
a
little
bit
fairer.
I
support
the
changes
that
ms.
G
Out
of
tow
harder,
it
should
be
making
it
easier
without
necessarily.
G
Point
he
does
have
a
point
that
any
house
that
be
converted
into
a
duplex.
G
G
G
And
that
might
include
counting
all
the
off
street
parking.
That's
currently
allocated.
G
Or
was
required
to
be
built
by
any
given
monoplex
duplex,
triplex,
quadplex
or
multiplex.
G
Parking
the
best
way
to
manage.
That
is
what
we
do
with
meters
downtown,
and
that
might
mean.
C
Which
we've
kind
of
discussed
at
the
previous?
I
guess
committee
meeting
on
this
on
this.
C
Ordinance
specifically,
I
and
a
few
other
council
members
expressed
some
concern
about
the.
C
The
possibility
that,
even
if
rare
or
a
narrow
possibility
that
someone's
car
would
end
up
towed.
C
C
Having
some
concern
about
that,
so
I
appreciate
the
effort
to
address
it.
I
I
was
kind
of
thinking
a.
C
C
But
I
appreciate
the
discussion
we
had
about
it
and
certainly
for
for
the
foreseeable
future.
C
Understand
that
that's
the
intent,
I
just
know
that,
of
course,
people
turn
over
and.
C
This
again
narrow
or
sort
of
rare
concern
at
some
point
in
the
future,
but
on
balance
and.
C
I
appreciate
you
working
to
address
that
and
I'll
be
supporting
the
ordinance,
so
thank
you.
F
Yes,
I
shared
council
member
flaherty's
concerns
last
week
and
I
think
there
may
have
been
one
or.
F
Two
others
who
shared
those
concerns-
and
I
mean
basically
it
comes
down
to
you-
know
if
somebody.
F
Is
having
a
hard
time
in
their
life
and
they
you
know
park,
and
they
don't
realize
it's
an.
F
F
Things
happening
in
their
lives
and
and
they
they
don't
have
you
know.
Finally,
their
car
gets.
F
Towed
and
they're
faced
with
a
big
bill
that
they
cannot
pay.
You
know,
I'm
I'm
worried
that
then.
F
F
They
can't
work
and
they
can't
ever
pay
their
debts.
So
there
was
just
a
hint
of
that
and.
F
I
do
appreciate
that
you
know
having
them
giving
them
the
option
to
get
on
a
payment
plan.
F
Expeditiously,
I
think,
would
would
address
that
that
worst
case
scenario.
So
I
really
appreciate.
F
That,
like
mr
flaherty,
I'm
you
know,
I'd
rather
see
it
in
writing,
but
I
understand.
F
Rather
than
having
a
punitive
goal
in
mind,
and
and
I
appreciate
what
I've
heard
also.
F
So
so
I
I
can
support
this
and
of
course
there
are
other
parts
of
the
ordinance
as
well,
but.
A
B
A
Very
very
much
moving
on
into
the
agenda
legislative
for
first
readings.
We
have
none.
A
Miss
lazy-
let's
see
there
is
a
special
session
this
evening,
beginning
at
7,
30.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Can
you
indicate
some
of
the
items
we
might.
A
Hear
about
on
friday,
it
is
possible
that
you
would
hear
about
the
upcoming
annexation.
A
A
A
Indicating
that
we
will
have
the
work
session
friday
at
noon,
thank
you
very
much.
Miss
lacy.
A
Councilmember
flaherty
I'd
like
to
adjourn
would
I
require
a
motion
and
a
vote.
No
I'd
say
if
there.
C
A
Reconvening,
I
think
it's
the
proper
word.
Thank
you,
mr
parliamentarian,
be
well
the
summation
of.
A
A
A
B
Okay,
councilmemberallo!
Yes,
oh
I'm
sorry
here,
I'm
here.
B
F
Sure
I
will
summarize
this
amendment.
It
presents
a
compromise
by
allowing.
F
F
F
F
F
While
adding
housing
options
to
existing
neighborhoods-
and
I
think
ms
scanlon
could.
A
Councilmember
piedmont,
smith
used.
The
word
compromise.
A
Same
as
compromise
between
the
two
options
that
we
were
faced
with
moving
forward.
A
Public
comment:
we've
received
emails,
we
received
some
of
us
text
messages,
phone
calls
and.
A
As
some
of
the
comments
that
I
heard
would
reflect,
so
I
think
this
is
a
more
middle
ground.
O
O
Units
when
they
were
first
reintroduced
to
the
zoning
code,
we
would
recommend
that
those
that.
O
That
use
request
to
be
seen
by
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
the
board
of
zoning
appeals.
O
Must
agree
that
the
request
meets
the
10
criteria
listed
in
the
zoning
code
related
to.
O
Conditional
use
approval
and
then
additionally,
I
believe
in
this
amendment
amendment.
O
Appear
at
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
so
those
would
have
to
be
met
as
well
and.
O
That
is
an
opportunity,
though
those
findings.
Excuse
me
those
ten
requirements
are
related
to.
O
Compliance
with
the
unified
development
ordinance
other
applicable
requirements,
for
example,
if.
O
There's
floodplain
requirements
there,
utility
service
and
improvement
standards
and
then.
O
Public
services
and
facilities
to
be
able
to
facilitate
the
use
again,
these
are
all
general.
O
And
then
minimizing
and
mitigating
adverse
impacts
on
the
areas
around
the
requested
use.
So
yes,.
O
Our
original
proposal
from
staff,
what
to
counsel
was
for
conditional
use,
so
we
have
no
objection.
I
Thank
you,
ms
ganlon
much
appreciated.
Let's
come
to.
I
Counsel
for
questions,
then
I
saw
a
council
member
rollo,
then
piedmont
smith,
then
sandberg.
F
I
wanted
to
mention
just
a
few
of
the
specific.
F
F
H
A
You
great
I'm
happy
to
address
that.
What
we
do
is
require
that
the
petitioner
reach
out
to.
O
The
person
or
persons
listed
on
file
as
the
contact
for
the
neighborhood
association.
O
The
person
appear
at
their
next
meeting
and
if
they
do
ask
that
they
appear,
then
a
staff.
O
Person
goes
as
well
to
answer
any
technical
questions,
and
how
do
we
validate
that?
This
occurs?.
O
H
O
O
Neighborhood
association,
if
they
in
fact
engage
which
they
sometimes
do
not,
they
usually.
O
Work
with
the
petitioner,
if
there
are
issues
I
that
is
where
those
usually
get
worked
out
in
my.
O
H
I
P
10
criteria
as
to
grounds
for
being
concerned,
I
believe,
let
me
see
in
the
10
criteria.
O
I
do
not
believe
that
parking
is
specifically
listed
in
the
10
criteria.
P
To
be
successful
in
trying
to
get
some
sort
of
meaningful
change
to
the
to
the
project.
O
Sorry
I
was
trying
to
look
at
that
for
uses
that
are
expected
to
generate.
O
P
O
Think
that
could
already
be
covered
in
the
in
the
street
portion
of
that.
But
yes,
I
think.
O
I
I
I
O
O
Have
residential
neighborhood
passes
so
they
won't
be
parking
on
the
streets,
so
they
won't.
O
You
know
if
you
look
at
our
20
at
our
census
data
our
single
family
properties
here.
O
In
bloomington
typically
have
more
cars,
and
you
know
so
it
would
be
something
that
they
could.
O
O
Not
adequate
public
facilities
are
provided,
so
if
they
could
show
that,
for
whatever
reasons.
O
The
street
can't
support
this
type
of
use
because
you
know,
and
then
they
would.
O
Have
to
show
why
they
think
that
then,
yes,
that's
something
the
bza
could
weigh
under
the.
O
I
Okay,
I'm
gonna,
take
I'm
gonna,
take
a
run
at
this.
Miss
gamlin
we've
talked
about
the
conditional.
I
Use
process
from
the
petitioner
standpoint-
and
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
kind
of
want
to
get.
I
O
Conditional
use,
whichever
is
less
so
two
doors
down
100
you'll,
get
a
node
noticed
mail.
You'll
get.
O
Contact
to
ask
questions
and
also
staff
contact.
You
will
receive
that
in
the
mail
you
will.
O
Contact
information
indicating
that
something's
going
on
that
there's
been
a
zoning
request.
If.
O
O
You
know
whether
or
not
a
request
of
this
type
has
been
made
and
whether
or
not
they're
going
to.
O
See
it
on
an
agenda,
so
you
will
receive
a
direct
contact
via
mail
and
you
will
receive
and
you.
O
I
O
We
have
had
projects,
anyone
can
jump
in
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
where
they
have.
O
Done
meetings
with
kind
of
ad
hoc,
neighborhood,
neighborhood
groups,
the
udo
isn't
specific.
That.
O
It
has
to
be
neighborhood
associations,
so
we
would,
I
believe,
if
this
amendment
were
passed.
I
Correct
or
contact
staff
as
well,
may
I
ask
one
more:
are
there
questions
pending
in
round
two.
I
Okay,
one
more:
you
talked
about
the
board
of
zoning
appeals,
making
a
decision.
I
I
Anything,
how
does
sure
so,
typically,
you
know
we
obviously
have
a
lot
of
pre-conversations
with.
O
Petitioners,
it
is
very
rare
that
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
that.
We
don't
have
information.
O
O
Or
you
know
worried
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
satisfy
those
requirements
and
some.
O
Of
them
are,
and
they
are
discretionary
that
that
they
won't
be
approved.
So
we
typically.
I
H
Invariably
result
in
approval
if
code
is
is,
is
met
and
I'm
just
confirming
that
that
is.
O
Set
of
meetings,
but
we
talk
with
way
way
more
people
about
potential
projects
than
ever
make.
O
I
You,
council,
member
flaherty.
Yes,
thanks
a
related
follow-up,
so
a
petition
for
conditional
use.
C
Of
a
duplex
in
this
case
is
approved
if
it
meets
code
in
the
view
of
the
bza,
but.
C
C
The
bca
not
have
authority
to
deny
a
petition
if
they
felt
like
the
petitioner
did
not
make
a.
C
O
Yes,
so
if
yes,
if
the
board
of
zoning
field
appeals,
excuse
me
felt
that
the
petitioner
did.
O
Not
make
the
good
faith
effort
that
is
listed.
Yes,
they
would
be
able
to
deny
that.
Okay.
Thank
you.
Q
Are
there
appeal
rights
to
property
owners
in
the
area
to
the
bza.
Q
Q
O
Yes,
ma'am.
Yes,
I
am
going
to
ask
our
legal
counsel
mike
ricker,
to
answer.
O
R
This
is
mike
rooker
city
attorney
for
the
city.
I
apologize
my
camera's
not
working.
R
Tonight
so
you'll
just
have
to
deal
with
my
name,
but
the
short
answer
is
yes.
Somebody.
R
R
Mean
there
would
be
no
activity,
so
I
can't
say
for
certain
what
would
happen
in.
R
Terms
of
development
during
that
period,
but
they
would
simply
they
would
simply
file
an
action.
R
Of
zoning
appeals
didn't
didn't,
make
proper
findings
or
that
one
of
the
findings
was
incorrect.
I
G
Question
can
you
think
of
any
cases
where
a
bca
decision
was
overturned
in
court
in
monroe
county.
R
Court
I
am
aware
of
none
in
our
county.
There
are
situations
in
other
indiana
counties
where.
R
And
again,
I'm
operating
from
memory
now
council,
member
vollen,
so
you'll
have
to
I'm
more
familiar.
R
With
cases
where
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
has
denied
either
like
a
conditional
use,
approval.
R
R
But
but
I'm
familiar
with
those
cases
more
and
do
those
cases
get,
does
the
bza
get
overturned
in.
G
So
follow-up
question
to
ms
scanlon.
So,
just
to
reiterate,
if
I
heard
you
correctly,
you
say
that.
G
O
O
G
Or
petitioner
pre-submittal
meetings
and
then
how
many
actually
follow
through.
O
No
because
it
it
is
even
before
a
pre-submittal
meeting
right.
So
someone
calls
and
speaks
to
a.
O
Looks
up
the
particular
address
looks
at
the
regulations
and
if
it's
clear
that
that.
O
That
is
the
typically
the
only
a
direct
notice,
that's
made
after.
O
To
the
petitioner,
yes
ma'am,
oh
I'd
have
to
look
at
one,
I'm
not
positive.
Obviously
they
would.
O
Probably
only
want
to
appeal
if
it
had
been
denied,
so
I
have
to
check
it.
Yeah
check
of
the
letters.
O
Q
O
Would
say
in
the
situations
where
those
are
denied
staff
does
usually
make
a
verbal
effort
to
let.
O
Them
know
what
what
the
options
are.
I
mean
we
don't
immediately
stop
communicating
with
them.
R
Administrative
level
and
those
folks
know
exactly
how
to
appeal
things.
When
that's
the
case.
Q
R
I
do
not
believe
it
is.
I
will
say
that
when,
since
the
new
udo,
we
enacted
an
administrative.
O
Manual
and
that
information
on
how
to
do
an
appeal
is
located
there.
I
believe.
Q
P
The
screen
up,
so
we
can
all
see
it.
One
of
the
first
rationales
has
to
do
with.
P
Duplexes
providing
a
a
more
robust
mix
of
incomes
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
maybe.
P
Address
some
of
what
you're
thinking
with
respect
to
that.
Given
that
the
the
likelihood.
P
Market
rates,
so
any
consideration
to
this
mix
that
we're
hoping
to
achieve.
I
Council,
member
piedmont,
smith,
yes,
council,
member
sandberg-
are
you
referring
to
the
two.
F
F
Different
price
points,
but
just
a
diverse
diversity
of
types
of
different.
P
You
know
what
more
we
can
do
with
respect
to
the
affordability
factor
and
well.
I
would
also.
I
I
R
Certainly
been
cases
where
neighbors
have
had
standing
to
appeal
decisions
by
boards
of.
I
D
Members
of
the
public,
what
will
happen
is
when
you
have
one
minute
remaining
I'll,
raise
my
hand.
D
I
S
D
T
Nine
years
ago,
thanks
in
particular
to
living
in
a
duplex
within
a
walkable
core
neighborhood,
so.
T
T
T
T
Expensive
single-family
home,
we
want
other
options
and
are
not
a
fan
of
the
artificial
dichotomy.
T
Be
fine
with.
I
also
think
council
would
like
you
to
think
deeply
about
why
duplexes
would
be.
T
A
conditional
use,
but
not
single-family
homes.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
sponsor
an
amendment.
T
Solutions
so
when
homeowners
become
worried
about
their
home
values,
they're
showing
up.
I
U
So
my
question
is:
can
the
bza
reject
duplex,
based
on
their
reading
of
the.
U
U
Door
neighbors
for
oh
gosh,
25
years
at
least
this
past
year,
we've
been
we've
had
a
good
crop.
U
One
good
guitar
player,
the
drummer-
maybe
not
quite
that
great,
but
the
the
students.
U
Are
both
undergraduates
three
males
in
each
house
we
do
a
sort
of
a
fall
type,
housing
101
course.
U
U
You
know
they're
there,
maybe
a
year,
maybe
two
so
to
help
to
help
keep
some
stability.
U
In
neighborhoods,
I
strongly
support
specific
numbers.
I
guess
called
caps
for
duplexes.
U
To
to
to
create
that
stability,
it
can
always
be
reviewed,
but
I'm
just
kind
of
worried
about
having.
I
Mr
rosenberger,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
your
question.
Public
comment
is
not
an.
I
Opportunity
for
dialogue
just
comment,
but
we
may
well
circle
back
to
that
question
when.
I
Three
minutes:
hi,
I'm
matthew,
coward
and
see
why
the
[
__
].
Do
you
look
like
my
ball
sack
and.
D
Apparently
there
are
several
this
evening.
I
I
wanted
to
ask
council.
D
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
V
That
this
offers
an
opportunity
for
special
conditions,
and
that
is
exactly
what
conditional.
D
Next,
we
have
a
person
with
the
screen
name
anna,
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
I
W
I
have
a
couple
of
concerns
and
they
mainly
center
around
the
fact
that
I
believe.
W
I
also
heard
tonight
quote
from
the
comp
plan
that
and
from
other
people
that.
W
You
know
this
this.
This
is
no
way
to
offer
diversity
of
housing.
I
I
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
X
D
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
Y
This
amendment
is
in
any
way
a
protection
of
neighborhoods,
so
take
your
choice.
Thank
you.
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
Z
AA
Thank
you,
members
of
the
council
and
members
of
the
city
staff.
Thank
you
for
the
tireless
work.
AA
Against
some
of
the
more
extreme
concerns
that
that
some
citizens
have
the
extreme
scenarios.
AA
That
none
of
us
want
to
have
happen.
I
think
the
the
basic
thing
that
we
have
going
on
here.
AA
AA
AA
Can
can
halt
this
kind
of
development
when
it's
when
it's
inappropriate,
but
I
think.
I
D
Next,
we
have
greg
alexander,
who
should
be
able
to
unmute
himself.
Mr
alexander
welcome
you'll
have.
I
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
AB
D
Next,
we
have
matthew
claus
who
should
be
able
to
unmute
mr
class
welcome.
You'll
have
three.
I
Minutes,
please
go
ahead.
Hello.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
again
for
your
time,
patience
and
we
appreciate.
AC
All
the
time
and
effort
that
people
have
put
into
this
just
want
to
say
a
couple
of
things.
I.
AC
The
right
decision,
but
their
voices
matter
just
as
much
as
the
oppositions.
AC
So
I
would
like
to
propose
a
couple
of
ideas
if
the
bza
was
able
to
potentially.
AC
AC
As
part
of
the
appeals
process,
potentially,
I
think
parking
is
a
legitimate
concern
as
well.
AC
Around
me,
but
I
know
that
with
the
hospital
redevelopment
site,
the
redevelopment
project.
AC
Densification,
so
I
would
like
to
once
again
support
a
minute
too
and
reiterate
my
statement.
AC
D
AD
It's
actually
the
dead,
that's
okay,
head
first
I'll,
be
very,
very
quick.
I
I
think
the
way.
AD
AD
AD
AD
Do
anything
to
change
just
developers
coming
in
who
have
deep
pockets
and
lawyers
to
just
move
on.
AD
AD
The
young
people,
we
have
a
daughter
who
lives
in
atlanta,
which
is
very,
very
expensive,
lives
in
a.
AD
Very
tiny
place
so,
please
think
about
putting
some
real
teeth
in
this.
Thank
you
very
much.
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
AE
I
I
AF
Can
you
hear
me
better
now
by
chance?
Yes,
better!
Thank
you!
Okay,
sorry,
I'm
actually
at
lake
griffey.
AF
I
lost
time
so,
but
yeah
I'll
keep
it
nice
and
short.
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
wholeheartedly.
AF
Support
this
compromise,
I
think
it
is
a
meet
in
the
middle
and
I
think
it's
a
good
start
to
a.
AF
AF
I
just
like
to
say
I
wholeheartedly
support
this
amendment
and
really
look
forward
to.
AF
I
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AG
AH
You
know,
like
chris
starbone
just
said.
I
would
really
like
to
believe
in
a
conditional
process.
AH
AH
AH
AH
AH
Well
opposite
of
bad
faith
effort,
I
guess
I
mean
how
do
we
define
a
good
faith
effort.
AH
D
I
AI
Work
tonight
and
throughout
I
will,
mr
lewis,
could
you
speak
up
a
little
bit?
The
audio
is
a.
AI
Will
admit
to
my
disappointment
in
last
night's
vote,
however,
I
would
ask
that
council
approve.
AI
Amendment
two:
I
would
agree
with
some
of
the
fellow
speakers
tonight
that
I
think
it
needs.
AI
AI
Rallo
sandberg
and
smith
for
their
work
on
amendment
one
in
the
past
week
and
last
night.
AI
And
also
councilmember
bruce
gambelluri
for
in
her
remarks
recognizing
and
I'm
quoting
from.
AI
The
b
square
beacon
that
we
cannot
enforce
owner
occupancy
and
quote:
theoretically
we
could.
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AI
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
I
K
K
Who
come
for
just
the
fall
semester?
There's
a
lot
of
power
that
landlords
have
to
rent
for.
K
The
entire
year
only
because
there's
just
so
few
options
available
so
anyway,
I
know
this
is
an.
K
AK
Good
evening,
thank
you.
This
is
going
to
be
very
short.
AK
Really
came
out
and
said
what
the
requirements
of
that
were
here:
are
the
requirements.
AK
I
AL
Indiana
university-
I
also
live
here
permanently.
I
would
just
like
to
say
it
is
I'm
also
a
member.
AL
AL
Housing
crisis,
since
I
believe
the
80s
and
it's
really
disappointing
to
see
a
lot
of
us.
AL
AL
AL
D
I'm
sorry:
next
we
have
the
person
with
the
screen
named
cynthia,
who
should
be
able
to
unmute.
AM
AM
AM
AM
D
AN
My
name
is
michelle
henderson
and
I
live
in
the
near
west
side.
I
support
amendment
2,
but.
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
AN
I
AO
AO
Smaller
homes
will
be
eliminated
where
they
would
have
the
opportunity
to
to
increase
equity.
AO
Their
share
of
equity
and
build
wealth.
I
I
should
note
that
I
don't
have
the
time
to
really.
AO
AO
For
an
eighty,
nine
thousand
dollar
house
at
a
eleven
percent
interest
rate
than
we
would
now.
AO
For
a
four
hundred
thousand
dollar
house
at
a
three
percent
interest
rate
in
terms
of.
AO
AO
Want
you
to
think
so,
please
please,
please
take
a
look
at
that.
Okay
and
in
terms
of.
AO
AO
AO
By
ignoring
those
that
showed
up
particularly
last
night
in
favor
of
amendment
one
that.
AO
And
in
closing,
in
terms
of
this
amendment
again,
I
urge
you
to
include
more
of
the
important.
AO
AO
AP
Proponent
for
amendment
one-
and
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I'm
I
I
want
people
to
get
housing.
AP
I
want
people
of
all
you
know
economic
and
and
social
situations
to
be
able
to
have
homes.
AP
I
AQ
Iu
now-
and
I,
though
I
support
plexus
by
right,
I
do
support
this
amendment
as
a
small
step
forward.
AQ
Is
sustainable
is
the
the
sustainable,
affordable
and
equitable
option
and
yeah
I'm
just
going.
AQ
I
M
M
Brisht
sorry-
and
I
didn't
actually
think
I
was
going
to
speak
tonight
because,
as
as
the.
M
Other
wendy
already
said,
I
didn't
know
if
they
do
any
good,
but
you
know
I
think
we
have
to
keep.
M
Speaking
up,
I
feel
like
we
should
be
living
in
a
representative
democracy,
and
I
didn't
think
it.
M
Was
last
night,
I
think
that
the
voice
of
the
citizens
of
bloomington
was
overwhelming
and
it.
M
Anywhere,
all
over
the
us,
it
is
really
expensive
and
bloomington.
You
know.
M
M
M
M
M
M
And,
and
by
limiting
proximities,
okay,
so
the
smaller
homes
and
the
cores
are
still
the.
M
M
M
M
M
M
But
it's
better
than
nothing:
it
only
guarantees
that
builders
and
developers.
D
AR
Live
on
first
street
in
elm
heights,
I
don't
want
to
be
long
here.
I
do
think
the
issue
that
has.
AR
AR
AR
AR
AR
AR
Does
it
yield
more
high
rent
housing
for
students
or
others
who
can
afford
it.
AR
AR
Oh
somebody's
honking
here
honking
at
me,
okay,
you
know
whether
that
that
would
be
a
way
of.
AR
AS
These
duplexes,
we
need
to
really
consider
very
serious
stringent
conditions,
I'm
all
in.
AS
AS
AS
I
I
AT
I
I
support
amendment
two,
although
I'd
like
to
see,
as
other
speakers
have
said,.
AT
More
specifics,
written
into
the
conditions,
I'm
really
I've
really
had
to
raise
my
hand
to.
AT
Make
a
a
correction
on
something
that
was
stated
earlier,
though,
about
the
near
west
side.
AT
AT
Variance
to
for
the
multiplex
house
on
9th
street
and
I'm
on
the
board
of
a
board
member.
AT
AT
Not
as
characterized
by
the
speaker
as
well,
I
just
couldn't.
I
just
have
to
straighten
that
out
for.
AT
AT
AU
AU
AU
AU
AU
Is
up
to
snuff,
like
joe
lee,
said
a
few
minutes
ago
about
brian
park?
You
know
what.
AU
Is
just
housing
in
general,
and
I
really
like
the
city
and
staff
to
take
a
different.
AU
AU
AU
AU
AU
AU
So
if
there's
anything,
I
can
do
to
help
with
that.
I
would
be
glad
to
do
so,
but
I
just
really.
AU
AU
Rentals
is
going
to
drive
down
the
rent,
it
won't
happen
and
the
the
infrastructure
thing
we've.
AU
AU
I
AV
AV
AV
Perhaps
the
city
could
join
in
more
of
those
kinds
of
activities.
AV
AV
AV
AV
I
I
I
I
Gets
their
full
time
for
comment
so,
ms
lacey?
Next
we
have
jamie
scholl
who
should
be
able
to.
D
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
AW
I
AX
Andy
ruff
and
again
tonight
I'm
gonna
have
to
sort
of
dispense
with
with
the
diplomacy.
I
think.
AX
AX
AX
AX
Better
than
than
it
would
be
otherwise,
but
bring
forward
something
real
that
will
actually.
D
AY
AY
AY
AY
AY
That
are
imposed
by
demands
for
off-campus
housing
in
alongside
a
large
university,
like
height
in.
AY
AY
AY
AY
AY
I
AZ
I
think
that,
after
listening
to
many
meetings
that
the
conditional
use,
although
it's
not.
AZ
My
preference,
I
did
support
amendment
one
I
think
you
might
as
well
consider
it.
I.
AZ
Think
there's
the
language
feels
vague
and
I'm
not
sure
in
practice
how
the
burden.
AZ
Is
interpreted
at
the
bza,
so
I
think
it's
worth
considering.
That's
all
you
miss
man
is
miss
lacy.
D
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
BA
I
BB
Ms
scanlon
and
devoting
so
many
countless
hours
to
this
I'd
like
to
thank
the
public
because.
BB
BB
Yet
I
hear
many
folks
speaking
of
these
phantom
realities
that
may
never
exist
and
they
feel.
BB
BB
Every
eligible
home
won't
instantly
be
transformed
into
a
duplex.
We
all
understand
that.
BB
BB
You
know
it's
been
said
that
society
grow
great
when
old
folks
are
willing
to
plant
trees.
BB
Who
shade
their
nibbles
set
in
this
is
that
tree
planting
process
council
of
scandalory
is.
BB
BB
BB
D
I
Please
go
ahead
well,
my
feeling
about
conditional
is
that
it's
better
than
nothing.
BC
But
I
do
believe
that
it
is
necessary
that
the
vca
have
more
specific
points
to
consider.
BC
The
the
things
that
they,
the
bza,
considers,
are
so
vague.
They
can
be
interpreted
in
any
way.
BC
BC
BC
BC
BC
BC
BC
Can
point
to
and
say
this
this
this
and
this
it
has
a
lot
of
value,
whereas
words
written.
BC
BC
BC
D
I'm
happy
to
do.
Please
do.
I
And
just
a
reminder,
while
ms
lacey
is
queuing
that
up,
if
you
do
wish
to
make
public
comment.
D
The
next
one
is
from
the
person
with
the
screen
name
dave,
and
this
person
gives
his
name
later.
D
D
D
D
D
BD
BD
Rent
in
any
duplex
built
she's
stuck
in
an
attic
it's
more
expensive
than
my
mortgage
payment.
BD
My
fiance
lives
in
a
condo.
It's
a
wonderful
opportunity
to
raise
some
equity.
BD
BD
BD
Whatever,
but
you
know
last
night,
my
representative
mentioned
a
whole
bunch
of
people.
BD
BD
Apartment
complexes
that
she
was
representing,
but
a
lot
of
her
constituents.
BD
BE
D
I
see
tom
millen
with
a
hand
raised
and
should
be
able
to
unmute.
Mr
millen
welcome.
BF
Welcome
hello,
I'd
spoken
before
on
the
actually
I
sent
a
letter
to
the
council.
BF
A
couple
days
ago
concerning
issues
about
infrastructure
and
I've
heard
that
being.
BF
Mentioned
already,
I
won't
go
through
the
entire
letter
for
everybody,
but
the.
BF
I'm
voting
voicing
my
opposition
to
it
and
hope
the
best
for
bloomington,
but
I.
I
I
So
anything,
ms
lazy,
I
just
have
one
message
from
carol:
canfield
that
says.
I
Council,
member
sandberg,
I
have
a
parliamentary
question
council
member
rallo
and
myself.
P
Up
to
this
amendment
regarding
the
conditional
uses
that
have
been
brought
up
repeatedly
tonight.
P
C
C
And
then
we
would
work
through
that
amendment.
To
the
amendment
hear
public
comment:
ask
questions.
C
Etc,
take
a
vote
on
it
and
up
or
down.
We
would
then
return
to
amendment
to
either
as
amended
or.
C
Without
the
amendment
to
the
amendment
having
passed,
alternatively,
it
could
be
brought.
C
Of
superseding
this
and
replacing
amendment
two,
it
should
amendment
to
pass.
C
Everyone
would
understand
that
it's
its
effect
and
intent
in
that
way,
so
I
think
we
could.
C
C
D
That's
fine.
I
I
think
that
what
council
member
flaherty
has
laid
out
is
consistent
and
it
would.
A
But
adding
that
amendment
to
this
amendment,
if
there's
going
to
be
proper
and
ample
time
to.
C
Of
such
a
future,
amendment
would
be
to
basic
functionally
add
to
what
is
currently
an
amendment.
C
C
As
sort
of
by
way
of
addition,
if
that
makes
sense,
okay,
I
would
actually
ask
for
input
from.
A
A
With
amendment
two
and
then
in
the
future,
as
I
understand
the
other
amendment,
we're.
A
Talking
about
this
could
be
some
perceived
as
some
of
the
teeth
that
has
been
mentioned.
A
And
then
duly
consider
future
amendments
as
we
move
forward
council
member
sandberg,
then.
I
Council,
member
rallo,
yes,
I
would
be
happy
to
do
it
either
way
because
again,
councilmemberallo.
P
And
I
have
several
amendments
coming
up
that
we'll
put
some
teeth
in
and
we
are,
you
know.
P
I'll
leave
I'll,
let
councilmember
rollo
state
his
preference,
but
this
is
an
addition
to.
P
P
H
H
My
preference
is
to
defer
it
to
a
future
meeting
and
introduce
it
as
a
separate.
H
Amendment
it
doesn't
conflict
with
the
current
amendment,
so
it
wouldn't
involve.
C
Dually
consider
it
so
if
that's
amenable,
perhaps
the
the
favorite
approach
council.
I
I
P
I
I
I
Mr
vollen,
we
had
four
minutes
for
the
previous
one
I
wanna.
I
would
like
to
continue.
C
C
Of
a
mistake
and
sort
of
implemented
on
the
fly
via
unanimous
consent
with
in
the.
C
Interest
of
fairness
after
one
member
had
spoken
the
structure
of
debate,
we.
C
By
a
two-thirds
vote
but
but
again
if
no
one
is
opposed
to
four
minutes.
C
We
could
do
that
if
there
are
some
oppositions,
we
should
take
a
vote
on
it.
A
I
would
prefer
three
minutes.
The
four
minutes
was
in
an
effort
to
be
fairness,.
I
F
I
Ms
lacey,
could
you
time
us
at
three
minutes?
Please
then,
yes,.
I
H
The
that
this
is,
as
I
said,
incrementally
better.
That
said,
the
the
outcome
of
a
request
for.
H
Converting
a
home
to
a
duplex
is
very
likely
the
same.
All
requests
that
meet
code
are
granted.
H
And
that
is
the
historical
record,
as
was
described
by
chris
durban.
You
know
I'm
vehemently.
H
Opposed
to
duplexes
throughout
r1,
r2
and
r3
districts,
whether
by
right
or
conditional,
use.
H
But
presented
with
a
choice
between
conditional
use
and
permitted
conditional
disagreement.
H
Incrementally
better,
it
makes
a
little
difference
in
the
outcome,
and
so
I
will
support
it.
Thanks.
I
Thank
you,
councilmember
sims.
Thank
you
very,
very
much
and
I
know,
as
I'm
one
of
the
sponsors.
A
Us
I'll
reserve
that,
for
my
colleague
I
do
have
a
rhetorical
statement.
A
Earlier
we
had
a
public
commander
that
basically
said
well,
let's
talk
about
adus
and
the
bca
and.
A
P
And
so
conditional
use
for
plexus
in
r1,
r2
r3
is
definitely
as
counter
memberallo
has
already.
P
We
do
have
some
teeth.
Amendments
coming
up,
one
of
them
is
going
to
be
a
buffer
and
cap
amendment.
P
And
then
the
one
that
I
just
referred
to,
that
we
kind
of
had
in
the
works
was
the
one
that
puts.
P
Some
more
conditional
teeth
in
assisting
the
neighborhoods
and
some
of
their
biggest
concerns.
P
P
We
got
it
started
today.
We
almost
finished
it,
but
we'll
have
that
ready
and
may
even
consider.
P
G
G
G
G
Parking
zone
we
created
them
in
1992
to
address
students
driving
to
campus
in
single-family.
G
Be
used
to
control
the
influx
of
population.
Preventing
car
storage
is
what
the
neighborhood.
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
G
Q
Q
Can
see
if
we
read
what
has
happened
in
other
municipalities,
it's
not
turned
out
well
and
the.
Q
Q
Q
Come
on,
you
know
it's,
it's
it's
a
whole
set
of
things
we
can
do,
and
so
that's
that's
pretty.
Q
Much
what
I
wanted
to
say,
I
I
you
know.
I
know
this
is
complicated
and
I
respect
every
one
of
my.
C
Often,
on
camera
has
blown
my
nose
and
things,
but
thank
you
to
the
sponsors
of
the
amendment.
C
Hope
we
can
keep
the
common
values
at
top
of
mind.
I
think
that
amendment
two
to
ordinance
2123.
C
Good
and
meaningful
compromise
among
diverse
community
perspectives,
in
my
view,.
C
C
Housing
economics,
literature
and
by
researchers
who
study
this,
but
we're
not
looking
at
some
of.
C
Much
a
compromise.
Second,
like
a
number
of
speakers
have
mentioned,
I
think
the
best
way.
C
C
C
C
We're
just
looking
at
duplexes
as
a
compromise
and
finally
and
additionally,
numerous
use
specific.
I
I
I
Plexus
weeks
and
weeks
back
at
least
one
member
of
the
plan
commission
suggested
that
we
just.
I
I
I
I
I
I
Pre-Petition
conversations
that
you
have
and
to
make
that
available
to
council
and
to
other.
I
I
I
I
I
I
And
then
council,
member
pete
smith,
did
you
want
to
finish
us
up?
Yes,
thank
you.
We
need
more
housing.
F
In
bloomington,
that
is
clear,
duplex
allowing
duplexes
in
neighborhoods
that
have
previously.
F
Ordinance
2123,
even
without
this
amendment,
has
a
reporting
requirement.
I
don't
know
if.
F
F
Let
me
just
clarify
something
in
this
amendment:
it
would
be
required
to
go
before
the
board.
F
Hearing
officer,
it's
bza,
so
I
I
think
that
this
in
this
in
this
way,
the
public
can
keep
an
eye
on.
F
Shall
exist,
the
proposed
development
should
not
cause
significant
adverse
impacts.
F
These
are
things
the
bza
looks
at
as
far
as
infrastructure.
I
think
council
member
volume.
F
It's
become
such
a
divisive
issue,
so
I'm
I'm
just
bringing
it
in
the
spirit
of
compromise.
I
Thank
you,
so
I
received
a
message
in
chat.
I
think
I
saw
from
council.
BG
BG
You
know
I
it's
okay,
if
it
is,
but
I
don't
mind
please:
okay,
okay,
sorry!
I.
BG
Public
comment
kind
of
addressed
to
me,
so
I
wanted
to
just
speak
to
that:
okay,.
BG
BG
BG
BG
Hearing
from
so
many
people
right
and
just
knowing
that
people
are
really
worried,
I
think.
BG
BG
BG
BG
BG
I
A
Reached
and
grabbed
it,
so
thank
you
very
much
vice
presidents
campbell.
I
appreciate
that.
A
At
this
point
in
time,
and
I
will
need
to
get
some
guidance
from
a
parliamentarian.
A
I
don't
know
the
order
of
the
amendments.
I
think
one
was
number.
A
Amendment
02a,
which
would
make
it
next,
is
that
correct.
Actually
we
would
we
decided
to
defer
that.
H
H
But
we
will
defer
that
to
a
future
meeting,
but
we
would
like
to
proceed
with
amendment
three.
A
We
have
about
20
minutes
left
before
agreed
upon
time
to
dismiss.
G
I
I
wanted
to
just
ask
because
the
amendments
that
councilman,
sandberg
and
rallo
are
proposing.
A
Input,
that's
what
I
was
getting
at
with
the
help
of
the
parliamentarian
and
my
colleagues.
A
And
I
will
say
this:
we
do
have
tomorrow's
schedule.
I
know
it
was
optimistic.
A
That
that
is
still
our
goal.
So,
having
said
that,
I
think
you're
right,
yeah
councilmember
bowling.
A
Council
member
lolan:
well,
my
only
concern
is
we've
made
because
we're
recessing
the
meeting.
G
G
G
A
To
amount
of
time
for
a
comment
and
all
those
things
well,
how
much?
How
much
time
per
amendment.
G
I
mean
we
all
recognize.
We
only
have
so
much
time
and
we
need
to
put
some
kind
of
further
limit.
I.
G
A
P
P
P
P
A
In
particular,
myself
who
oversee
the
calendar,
that
was
the
whole
purpose
of
the
special.
A
A
Hoping
we
didn't
need
to,
but
there
is
a
little
wiggle
room
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
but
I.
A
A
A
Having
said
all
that,
if
we
have
no
objections
to
recess
until
tomorrow,
at
6
30.,
mr
president,.
A
Yes,
sir,
mr
bo
or
councilman
yeah,
so
is
I
mean
tuesday
was
a
special
session
I
mean
are,
did.
G
A
G
A
A
And
before
we
get
out
of
here,
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
all.
A
Very
very
much
like
councilmember
rosenberger.
I
learn
a
lot
every
time
we
all
get
together
so.