City of Bloomington, Indiana City Council, 20 Feb 2019

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Like to call this meeting of the bloomington common council to order.

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This is our regular session for wednesday, february 20th, 2019.

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Will clerk. please call the roll.

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Rollins here. mr. baum.

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Sandberg breath thank you.. Thank you.

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Here's our agenda for this evening. and if you need an agenda,, you can find it beside the clerk.

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We'll have a probe of minutes and that we won't store an approval for minutes. This even no minutes for approval, we'll have reports from.

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Council members and then mayor and city offices will.

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Have a council committee report that is the 2019 council sidewalk committee report, presented by vice president dorothy granger.

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Then we'll go to public and you'll have 20 minutes. If you would like to speak on items not on our agenda at that time,.

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Then we'll go to appointments for boards and commissions.

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And legislation for second reading and resolutions- and there are five of those.

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The first one is ordinance 1906, which is amending title 15 of the bloomington municipal code regarding reducing fees for law enforcement.

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Recordings and bringing said fees into compliance to state law and that received a committee recommendation of nine zero.

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Second item is resolution 1905 to approve recommendations of the mayor for distribution of community.

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Development block grant cdbg funds for 2019.

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That has not received a a consideration yet item. 3 is appropriation ordinance 1901, especially appropriate from the food and beverage tax fund, expenditures related to the convention. Center expansion.

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Appropriating funds from the food and beverage tax fund that received the committee recommendation of 8:01.

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Item, 4 as ordinance 1902, to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled waste water, a storm rate.

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Stormwater rate adjustment committee recommendation 9 0 and then our last item for second reading is ordinance.

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1905 to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled waste water, a.

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Substantial rewriting of title 10, following a review conducted in concert with.

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The environmental protection and agency, and that received a recommendation of nine zero.

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We have no legislation for first reading, well reserve 20 more minutes for additional public comment at the end of our.

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Meeting and then we'll visit our council schedule before a journey.

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So that is our agenda. Do we we will go to reports from council members and I'll begin on my left with councilmember sandburg.

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I think it's appropriate to have a moment of silence for steve.

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Mullins father, who tragically died in an automobile accident.

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That's why he's not here, and I just think we ought to think about him for a minute.

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Thoughts are with you, steve, thank you, councilmember piedmont, smith,.

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Know why it's my turn but oh,, I'm sorry councilmember robin.

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I just wanted to say that I am the council representative on the hospital site, reuse committee and.

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We have met a few times in 2019 and we're evaluating.

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Proposals from two firms that.

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Responded to the request for qualifications for a master developer for the site.

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And of course, each of them, we are being very conscientious about asking what their public input process would be.

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Which will be an essential part of what they do before they come up with a master plan.

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For the site., so I just wanted to give a brief public update that those discussions are underway, and there will be plenty of.

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Opportunity for neighbors businesses various interest groups to have lots of public input as.

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That site is developed before., it's developed,, tennessee.

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Thank you.. Thank you, council member granger.

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Okay, I'll take a moment to report two things. One is a very nice optimistic thing, and that is, I understand that city hall has.

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Achieved gold status of leed gold status, which is quite amazing,.

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Yes, maybe there was gonna, be a formal announcement sorry,, but I'm I'm very happy about that., I'm very surprised.. They remember when.

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Councilman, piedmont, smith and I were talking to the administration about ever getting to lead, and the idea was only leed. Silver was probably attainable for a.

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Factory, this old, and yet this administration has now achieved gold,, which is amazing.. It's tremendous really so.

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Great thing, one thing that's troubling and I thought I'd mention it.. It's.

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You've probably heard of it., it's referred to as insect apocalypse.

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And it's this phenomenon worldwide, where insect populations are crashing, and we have it's been discovered that we have sixty percent.

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Fewer insects than we did just thirty years, ago. so.

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For us old enough, you probably remember silent spring by rachel, carson, and that was about birds, and it was the pesticide.

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Influence on birds and the reproduction that caused crashing bird.

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Populations well, this is happening now for insects and that's really troubling.

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Because insects are the basis of the terrestrial in terrestrial aquatic food chain., that's what.

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That's what fish rely on and streams and lakes. it's what birds rely on a lot of bird insect eating birds.

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Pollination services are important for many many food crops so.

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It's troubling and and what's even more troubling, is that it's almost invisible in the press.

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I've only seen it covered a few times once in new york times. and once in the guardian had a front-page story. Last week.

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So we're likely to see an action at the federal level about this any attention whatsoever.

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Maybe probably not the state level., so it seems incumbent on us.

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As a community, as well as other communities to do something about it,.

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And I think that would be a really good target if we could.

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Protect the type of habitat that insects need in our community and we can reduce pesticide.

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Overall in our community, that would be a step forward to demonstrating that we can reverse this crisis, because it is a very.

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Very alarming crisis, so on to better things, we're on to happier things now. we'll go to mayor and city offices reports.. Do we have any seeing none?.

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Okay, we'll go to the council sidewalk committee report for 2019.

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I feel stafford, I'm chairman of the commission on aging and I'm pleased as we all are, to have an opportunity to provide to you a brief.

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Annual report to the city council, I.

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Wanted to thank you for that opportunity and we'll try to try to be brief.

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First of all,, I want to recognize, I think, your three commissioners here tonight. If you can stand.

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Express our appreciation to the three other commissioners over here with us.. Thank you.

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It's a very talented group of people and the names are on.

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The list there. we've lost three this year recently lauren cowen, libby, dawson and denise lasalle for various reasons,, and we picked up two new ones.

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Ron smith and lori glendenning,, and so we're very.

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Pleased we're not quite at full staff yet,, I think, but we're getting there.

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It's a very talented group of people with lots of professional experience in the field of aging and as jack, and I can attest lots of personal.

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Experience now and they in the field of aging as well.

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We're very well connected in the in the community. We identified something like 20 different organizations that we we all relate to collectively and and it's an important part of what we do, because we can't.

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Just do it on our own. We have to establish partnerships and encourage leadership and other parts of the community for what we're doing.

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Next slide is a brief rendition of things that we've done in the past year.

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We've continued to do outreach and education regarding the concerns of older adults in the community, as well as the.

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Accomplishments of older adults in the community, we have reached a couple of new new audiences and in this year, including the commission on children and youth, we hope to.

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Work more closely with them in the future.

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We established a relationship with wtiu.

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Which is now doing an annual conference on aging and that role will expand in the in the coming year.

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We also continue to sort of standard outreach at places like senior expo and our commissioned newsletter. That sue owens is.

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Responsible for and does a wonderful job with, we played an important role. I think, with the city of bloomington community survey,.

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We wish that had we had been able to accomplish more and exert more influence around these issues through the use of the community survey,, but we were able to independently analyze.

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460 responses of older people to the community survey in.

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2017 found some useful information, which is reflected in the report that you have in front of you.

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We we would like to help influence.. The next survey should be in process. I think and we'd like to offer recommendations regarding.

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Improvements that we see that could be made to.

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To the community survey.

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One of the important things that most important things we did was.

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Adopt a framework, a conceptual framework for our work and for the commission.

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This is the lifetime community concept and I have a slide in a second that I might as well put that up. I guess.

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The next slide yes,, some of you have seen this. We we ask the question: can bloomington be a lifetime community and.

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It's important to realize that, well, while we address the concerns of older adults,.

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Especially in bloomington were very.

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Invested in the idea that creating a community for all ages and all abilities.

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Is the way to go, there's so much common ground there across the generations and.

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So we've adopted this framework, which consists of four domains.

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Health and wellness creative expression, lifelong learning,.

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Promoting a sense of place and creating homes and enabling mobility for people in the community and.

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That framework helps us think through some of the work that we're doing and in the past year there was a sort of a subset of that work relating to.

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Dementia friendly communities- that is also a concern of the commission.

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We sponsored the the second annual.

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Dementia friendly bloomington conference last spring and we actually did a mini charette on the hospital site.

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The report is going to be forthcoming very soon.

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We hope it gets used by the that committee to help think through what would that neighborhood look like if it were dementia friendly?.

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As well as being a lifetime community.

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This is a brief.

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Sideline on what? concretely,, I think of when I think about a lifetime community.

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The the new trades district housing ped core housing is a four-story building.

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It's accessible on the south side because of the topography and is accessible on the north side.

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On the first floor,, but it's a four-story building, some were during the process of its.

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Design, the group decided to eliminate the elevator.

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Which effectively eliminated 4/7 of the of the housing?.

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From used by people with disabilities, mobility, disabilities in particular- and I feel this is extremely short-sighted-.

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Particularly for trades district housing, when many people in the with disabilities are looking for work in the tech industry.

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And have so much to offer, so I think it's it's short-sighted and.

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It's something we're going to continue to focus on with the udl.

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And the hearings that are coming up because we're very invested in notions of the universal design., for example,.

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They're really important to the community, perhaps in a targeted fashion,.

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But we're really looking forward to the first draft, the next draft of the udl, what it says about.

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Universal design and what it says about lifetime communities, because, as you know,.

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The concept of lifetime community was actually written into the.

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Comprehensive plan- and it specifically called for in the development of the hospital site and the switch art park area.

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So we're gonna continue to.

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Lay in on that conversation will continue to reach out to new audiences.

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For outreach and education, we want to look into the notion of consolidating.

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Digitally consolidating event, information for seniors. If we can find an organization in town that might take up that that that job.

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Will be heavily involved., we hope in the comp plan and udl process.

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And we hope to be heavily involved in the.

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Conversation about a new community center in the community,, which was something that was.

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Recommended by the consultants for the hospital district and.

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We hope to help leadership, provide leadership for the conversation as to what a community center would be.

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Is it a senior center as at a center for all ages?.

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We we hope to play a role in.

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Supporting that conversation in the community. we're also very interested in intergenerational.

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Issues and we want to focus on the b-line trail.

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We've had an initial meeting with a wonderful meeting with parks and rec regarding the idea of assessing.

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The trail and the potential for identifying what we call.

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Intergenerational contact zones along the b-line trail.

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Which, which would be particular spaces that would attract both older people and younger people and support their interact.

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And then we hope to we've been looking into and talking about.

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Tactical urbanism a pop up play street on morton between first and second.. We haven't made a formal request, yet,, but that's something we'd like to do to demonstrate.

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Intergenerational opportunities and that street is important to us, because that represents a pathway into the new neighborhood as well.

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So those are some things that we're going to be doing in the in the upcoming year.

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If you this is for everybody in this room,, I encourage you to.

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Learn more about the commission you're more than welcome to come to our meetings, which are the second tuesday of the month.

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From 4:30 to 6:00 in the hooker room, and I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have as well.

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Thank you. mr. stafford.. Are there questions?.

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Come summer sandburg vacancies on your commission.

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They might already be in the pipeline, I don't know, but people can go online. The city website for the commission and fill out an application and.

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We're happy to accumulate them as well.

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Thank you other questions.

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Thank you. Mr. romney has one I just missed what you were talking about with the new neighborhood.

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What were you talking about that? What new neighborhood new neighborhood?.

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Referring to the 24 acre site and redevelopment site, the old hospital site., I see.

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Thank you. and, and thanks for your input on the you, do we hope to see more from you?. It's very, very important.

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Thank you, mate thanks.

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Okay, any other reports from the mayor's office or.

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Commission reports., okay, now we'll go to council committee report,, which is the council sagwa committee report for 2019.

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Bertha granger.

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Well,, I'm gonna make a few camera.

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A lot of that fast, like sidewalks, too.

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This is the committee is.

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Chris dave, rommel and myself., those are the council representatives.

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We couldn't do this without staffed and sherman melissa neil,. I think sj.

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Stacy jr. rhoads was there a couple of times stephen lucas was there.

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Planning and transportation, neil copper, scott robinson, beth, rosenberger roy.

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Utilities, jayne fleek and bob wilford parks and recreation, steve cotter.

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So it's a large group of staff and council that comes together to try to work collaboratively.

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To figure out the best way to spend this.

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Very limited pot of money this year we had three hundred and eighteen thousand dollars just been.

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Excuse me, and the money comes from the ultra alternative transportation fund.

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And let's see it, the purpose is to dedicated to reducing the community's dependence upon the automobile.

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This $300,000 that received three hundred eighteen thousand dollars. This year. we received this year was an increase of six hundred dollars from six.

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Thousand dollars from last year- and the next slide is.

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This just gives you a sense of how the money has increased over over the years.

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From 185 thousand in 2017 to three hundred and eighteen thousand this year, also, if we don't.

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I think we started this last year if we can't spend all the money and.

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It's possible to not spend all the money it reverts back.. It does not revert back to the regular.

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Fund that stays with transportation with the sidewalk fund, so we can allocate it next next year, part of the challenges.

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One sidewalk may cost $100,000 another one, may cost five hundred and fifty six thousand dollars, and we never have five hundred and fifty six.

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Thousand dollars in one year,, but maybe we can work on parts of it over the course of a number of years and.

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The next slide.

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There are criteria, current criteria and measures that we use to try to figure out what what is appropriate, what we can work on what's possible and.

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These are criteria that were developed by.

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Staff planning transportations, lab staff.

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They've been refined over years,, but they we continue to prioritize the construction of sidewalks. Using this, these criteria.

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One of the things that I think is really important is the next slide.

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And this is, you will not be able to read it, but, and I'm not going to read it to you.

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But what this is, is, this our project, prioritization.

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Grid,- and this is based on the criteria that you just saw.- there are 54 projects on the grid right now,.

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54, so we look at things like.

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Walkability residential density transit routes linkages.

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Costs and every project gets a score,, but what's.

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What's good about this? in the sense of working with the committee, you have humans talking about this and it's not just.

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Because it's number one project that we're going to do it.

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It makes sense in a lot of ways given the criteria and where we are with finances.

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Again,, we don't have a lot of money and there are various.

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Phases to building a sidewalk., it might be a design phase., it might be. Right-Of-Way purchase might be.

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Construction, construction, construction., so sometimes what we do is one year we could.

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Pay for design next year we might build. We might pay for a small portion of that particular construction of a long sidewalk.

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So it's very complex,, but this is all available on the website and it's just.

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The way that these projects get on to this list is that people call us neighbors. call us.

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And say this is really bad.

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Can you have somebody look at it, or can we have a sidewalk in this in this neighborhood or.

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There seems to be a lot of traffic and we have traffic calming devices.

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So if you think you see a.

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Need for a sidewalk, then this you just call.

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Council office and they can help figure out how to get it on the list and staff will do the research.

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To get it walkability to look at traffic and all those other things so that it has a rank score.

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The next slide is our funding recommendation.

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This is for 2019,. We are working to complete construction that was started earlier on.

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Mitchell street from maxwell to circle drive,. Can we look at the map?.

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Thank you and mr. sherman will point out where that sidewalk will be going right along there.

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We are expecting to complete that project this year.

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I can't remember when it was started if it was 18 or 17.

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This particular project., it doesn't matter., we are working on it.. We work at our ton.

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The next map- let's look at the next one- is moore's pike from college mile road to woodruff.. This is on the south side.

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It doesn't seem like very much, but there are.

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Typography issues that make it an expensive venture,, but that should be.

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Completed also this year is that you're regulating memory? mm-hmm.

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The next slide is a map of.

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Madison sorry,, it's a map of 14th street from madison to woodburn and.

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We don't yet know what side it's going to be on. We are what we're paying for. this year is the design.

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So engineers come in look at sidewalks.. Look what the.

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You know the tree plot.

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Sewer systems that sort of thing to determine which side is the best side for a particular sidewalk.

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The design will be finished this year as well.

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The next map is west allen.

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West allen from patterson to am adams street.

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This is a traffic calming project and I can't remember what we're doing here., I'm sorry.. Let me just.

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Jump up a second., oh.

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It's high speeds, poor visibility.

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So what we're doing is doing crosswalks to help slow down traffic a little bit to help people get across the street.

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And it may include speed humps as well.

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So we're allocating seventeen thousand five hundred to.

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Join what planning and transportation is contributing? Another seventeen thousand five hundred?.

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And then the final map is east.

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Maxwell lane and south mitchell drive, again,. This is traffic calming and it'll be a.

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Crosswalk to help facilitate people getting across the.

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Intersection,, I guess, there's a rise in the hill and the intersection with jordan and maxwell create potential vehicular.

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Pedestrian conflicts.

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Sometimes, given the living limited funds, we have, we.

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Try to just get started with traffic calming to see if that helps, and then that may stay on the list for future.

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Sidewalks, but it's a way for us to.

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Get more done with limited funds, if you will.

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Mr. sherman, you had one more, this was yeah.

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Just another, just graphed the graph of the projects that we're working on this year.

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As you can see, other funds.

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There's a column for other funds. We.

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We have utilities in the room. Utilities works on this committee.

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So we know if they are thinking of a sewer project along a certain way or.

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Way a straight way we might be able to.

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Work in concert with their project because in in a sense.

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We're kind of pooling funds of money to get something done that we were going to need to do anyway.

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Again, the committee I.

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Don't know., we really worked very well this year. I thought.

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It's it's never easy, because.

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Sidewalks are necessary,, but people don't understand how expensive they are and we try to think about.

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Where we are within the city going throughout the city, not just one neighborhood.

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Not just one district, if you will, we do try to look at the whole.

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City,, it's nice when we can get drop some of our projects off of the grid.

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But then new ones will be added.

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The thing I want to say again is: if you have any idea for sidewalk needs, please contact.

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Council office or your city council representative, and I'm just wondering if my colleagues would like to make a few comments.

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Or maybe questions of any of us.? Do we want to ask ourselves questions?.

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Any questions from council.

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Would be that last year we were worried about cut through traffic when rockport and tap was closed.

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And we advocated for traffic calming on countryside and.

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Neighborhood and we chipped in our leftover money toward that, or that was our intent and that.

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Stuff is still in place and it's to be decided.. How much will remain that'll be a neighborhood decision.

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Okay, other questions or comments comes from, I repeat, mount smith.

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Yeah, I'm curious how the 14th street segment from madison to woodburn made it to the top of your list.

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Doesn't seem like a very busy street,, but that's just.

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You know without having investigated it, so all of these projects are on the list.

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They all have a score, but sometimes because we are funds are so limited.

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We might do something that might not be as high up on the list, because we know we can get it done.

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So it goes off the list.

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Something hire somebody something may have been higher up on the grid.

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But if it costs a hundred and fifty six thousand dollars.

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Which we don't have, we might be able to get something done if all we've got left is.

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So was this project going to be done with other funds and.

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They just needed a little bit extra.. Is that what I'm hearing? see it was?.

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90 bg funds right? yeah,- it's not necessarily that it's sometimes what happens?.

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Actually does have the prospect of partnership with cdbg funds?.

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The committee talked about 14th streets.

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And we were closing out a lot of our projects and one of the staff members suggested that we start.

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Something new so we'll have something to see in future years and.

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The hand department saw a possibility of using or.

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Proposing this for a cdbg project, next year.! So if we get the design this year.

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It could be in line for a request for those funds.. It's not at all guaranteed.

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But it was looking ahead., it did involve a partnership.

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And that was part of the thinking for funding the.

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$30,000 for design this year and seeing whether we could get other funds for the, I think it's one hundred and fifty six thousand for.

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Constructing that street I mean that's that sidewalk., so the.

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$156,000 is tentative., yes,.

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Yeah,, it's you know a year away.

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There may be other sidewalk priorities or other priorities. The cdbg,, but.

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What we heard was this would be otherwise eligible for cdbg funds and that's not necessarily true with other sidewalk projects.

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This also, this project is number four in the right way.

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Yeah,, and can you I don't have that big chart.

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You tell me on what criteria it scored high.

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I don't know if I can so what we do is we look at the length of the project, the walk store.

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Transit density score traffic score, ranks,, um overall project ring.

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So this is number four. okay.. Thank you.

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You have another question,, please.

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Councilmember grainger mentioned on west allen. Street, there would be a crosswalk. Is that I didn't see that in the memo.. So I.

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Want to make sure I heard that correctly.

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Yep,, it seems like a dangerous place to put a crosswalk, as I recall.

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One of the reasons for doing traffic calming on that stretch is that there is a transit, stop and.

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People will cross the street to get to that stop so.

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If I recall correctly,, I think one of the speed humps may be such that that's where people walk.

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So so kind of a raised, crosswalk. yeah,. I think that maybe what's envisioned.

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As one of more than one device.

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And again, this is we're joining with planning and transportation.

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And I'm sure that.

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They will involve the residents of west allen in.

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Making the decisions as to what goes? yes, the committee did ask.

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Staff and was assured that there would be an outreach effort tied to this project.

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Okay, great. yeah,, that's right by mother, hubbard's cupboard., so I'm sure there's a lot of foot traffic.

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Thank you other comment or questions. Just a couple things., I wanted to say one was first of all,. It went really smoothly because.

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Councilmember granger is wonderful at chairing these and because of that she's chaired now.

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Three years, right?.

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Because it goes extraordinarily well in terms of priorities, it's hard to see on that list, but there are priorities up there that.

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Sidewalks or side paths that extend many many, perhaps a mile in length.

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And that's really not suited for our sidewalk committee., so there are certain assess 'ti. There are certain ones.

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We probably won't get to unless we receive funding say from the mpo or something to to do that.

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The other is just the observation that we try to leverage stormwater.

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Improvements with sidewalks and if we can partner with utilities to do it.

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Then it then we could, you know to things done that are that are well needed.

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The mitchell sidewalk was is that side path that was marked for a number of years.

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But was never made into a sidewalk and that's going to now create a contiguous sidewalk from essentially.

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Third and jordan, all the way down to.

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Nearly two hillside and then points beyond so people have an alternative other than high street to walk to campus.

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And then the other one was oh college. Small road.

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Which connects sare road with?.

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Wooden woodruff isn't right, which is for the vintner wood woods, neighborhood.

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Because more spike is very busy and it's difficult to cross.

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See the idea is to get them to that stoplight, so they can get to the regional activity center to the north.

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That is, college mall, so,, so anyway,. It enables an entire neighborhood, that's kind of locked in to an island to be able to use pedestrian facilities.

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Anyway,, so with that we will do. We need to accept this?.

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So there was a motion to approve.

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You might want to entertain public comment. Oh.

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Does the public have yes, please step to the microphone, and this is comment on the council sidewalk report. okay?.

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Please identify yourself oh,, I'm rick phillips.

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I do a lot of driving here in bloomington and.

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One of the things about pedestrian crosswalks is.

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Helping the drivers know that it's a pedestrian crosswalk to know that there is a pedestrian. Even there.

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Sometimes you're very busy as a driver., your attention is on other traffic and a lot of other things going on.

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And so I kind of wish the council would consider.

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Helping the driver know that there are pedestrians that need to cross.

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Identify them one of the things I'm thinking of is.

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Poor visibility at night, you need brighter lights at intersections., so the driver can spot a pedestrian.

I

But like I say that drivers attention, especially like.

I

10Th and jordan, especially around those kelly school of business.- I don't know if you've ever been around there,, but it's crazy during the day.

I

I would like it if there would be a lot of help.

I

They would benefit the driver in this. The driver.

I

It needs to know that there's pedestrians who want to cross it needs to be very visible and it needs to stand out.

I

So that's my comment. thank you.. Thank you for that comment.

A

Appreciate it any other public comment: ok back to council and did we have a recommendation?.

J

Council sidewalk committee report.

A

Okay, so the question has been called in second: will the clerk please call the roll.

B

Councilmember rough diamond smith., yes,.

F

Ranger, yes, rallo.. Yes,.

F

Every bomb yes, sandburg. yes. thank you.. Thank you. That report is approved. Six zero.

A

Thank you, councilman work, granger okay,. We will now go to public comments. No point of order.. I.

H

There is a disclosure in your memo for a packet for tonight, its disclosure for.

H

An appointee jim liggins, dorf.

H

Because he's a counsel of pointy to the parking commission, but he also has a business and which may seek services to offer services to the city.

H

This disclosure would allow him to do so.

H

So you'll see that it's the last form in your packet.

H

The requests that you consider accepting this disclosure.

A

Any questions about the disclosure.

A

Councilmember granger, thank you.. How are these?.

G

How are these catering decisions made? Is there anybody on staff who? excuse me?? I didn't hear you.

G

What how are the these catering decisions made?? Is it a sealed bid?? How did these things?.

G

Happen is there somebody on staff who could answer them?.

H

I can arrange for an answer,, but I don't have that answer today.

G

It's interesting to me. I guess I mean I want to.

G

Accept this conflict of interest,, but we don't even know how these decisions are made.. That's kind of I.

G

Mean how can we, how can we improve something that we don't know what the ramifications of it are? I guess is like them.

H

Typically cut now this disclosure.

H

Does not involve any sort of pending or aunt. it's a known contract.

H

So it's looking at to a possibility with that said. Typically, contracts are reviewed by.

H

One board or another.

H

They're, all grouped by the mayor, they have to be signed by the mayor, so.

A

Is counsel attorney sherman is: is there something that needs to be decided tonight? or could we postpone it for a future meeting?? As I said, there's no.

H

Contract that's waiting to be signed, and this one is just it's called an annual disclosure.. So if you need more time.

H

G

It's gonna sandburg had her hand up. I didn't come. I remember.

J

Reading it and in very small print of then under number six does say. I would like to continue to be able to provide quotes?.

J

For cating city events, so that kind of implies there is some sort of people put bids in and but again.

J

I think it is an important question as to how those bids are meted and and who ultimately makes a decision that.

J

Probably would be important that I assume there's some sort of process with anyone who is catering, special events.

J

And there are probably quite a few that are sponsored by a lot of different departments.. So.

A

Councilmember, piedmont, smith: you had a question., I'm sorry.

D

Technical question: I notice, on the form that mr. blinken store gave his address.

D

As 106 west 6th street, which, of course is this business address, not his home address?, probably doesn't matter as a lawyer.. Mr. sherman. does that matter at all?.

H

He's making this request on behalf of his role as an owner of a business., so I see the logic abusing that address. okay? yeah.

D

What's my only questions?.

A

Okay. well,: what's the council's feeling about this, should we postpone it until future meeting liberty, okay, thank you., so we'll do that. all right.. Thank you.

A

Dan sherman will now move to.

A

Appointments of boards and commissions or sorry public for people who would like to speak on items not on our agenda.

A

You have five minutes if you would like to.

A

State your name., thank you.

K

Hi, I'm greg alexander and I want to thank the those either showed up tonight. I.

K

Have a story about a bike lane on february 6th.

K

I used the u-report app to send in a photo of a car parked in the bike lane on north college.

K

I received a reply that parking enforcement would check it out down on the 12th.. I reported the same car, the same place.

K

Received a reply stating that this area is constantly enforced by parking officers, tickets are issued.. That was a quote. mr.

A

Alexander, could you come a little closer just anything I think, and.

K

This one I reported on the 6th on our board again on the 12th, and I read.

K

The reply was that this area is constantly enforced by parking.

K

Officers and the tickets are issued and that that wasn't the truth. For six days, the city had done literally nothing, no tickets.

K

No towing. no bike lane., I reported it again on the fourteenth. A single ticket had been issued at that point.

K

I I called adam voice, indirectly,, which I know that's a ridiculous thing to do.

K

I asked him how he felt about closing bike infrastructure for a week and a half on the regular.

K

He did not want to answer., he said he had no reason to believe it had been that long, though.

K

I'd sent him all these photos.. I convinced him to answer the question as a hypothetical and he said well, that sucks. yeah, it sucks.

K

The next day the car was still there., so I called the mayor's office and the lady who answered the phone.

K

Forwarded the report, the police department and the car is now gone.

K

I wish the moral this story is that I should have started with the police,, but I've been here before.

K

I've been reporting these kinds of issues for years staff acts sluggishly. If at all, they usually ignore the first report, if two months.

K

Declare a tree brocket blocking and off-street walt leaking paths one month to mitigate a mudslide on a sidewalk on 17th 17th.

K

Like people walking in the street., that's just okay for a month.

K

They refuse to clear snow from the intersection of hillside and the beeline.

K

They say they'll clear, snow from sidewalks in front of city property,, but it never happens.. It sticks around until it melts.

K

They say they'll clear, mounted snow from bike lanes,, but it never happens.. It sticks around for weeks because it's been mounted.

K

In the few cases where city staff requires a sidewalk detour around construction., they outright refuse to punish violations.

K

So construction workers are always blocking the detours.. They know, there's not gonna, be any consequence.. They just park their truck in the sidewalk detour.

K

For three years I've been reporting the firestone, the entire company downtown uses the sidewalk across the street from the bus station as a parking lot.

K

And I've still never seen that side log here of cars once I could go on.

K

But reports something blocking and car traffic lane I've seen tickets open in the morning and actually honest to god, resolved by lunch. Public works can get things done for cars.

K

The city's sustainability plan calls for improving the pedestrian experience by encouraging people to use your reports., I'm tania,. It doesn't work.

K

There's a culture of passing the buck, people are eager to say, there's nothing. They can do to be honest.

K

There's some bad apples, but more than anything. it starts at the top decisions made in this room.

K

You need to allocate money for clearing snow from arterial, sidewalks and bike lanes. People should not be walking in.

K

West 3rd street, every time it snows you.

K

Need to pass a complete streets resolution. You should have done that decade ago.

K

Sidewalks shouldn't be the responsibility of housing, neighborhood or parks and rec.

K

It should be public works, need to take department heads to task.

K

Ask them if they ever feel like there's nothing they can do about cars blocking sidewalks.. I.

K

Wish I could say I was happy when I read in the newspaper, the jim sims and dorothy granger are explicitly campaigning on sidewalks.

K

But I know the sound of hot air you don't have to like me. You have to make city staff feel like sidewalks are important.

K

That's not gonna be easy,, but you have to do it. you know,, we gotta, walk walking is important. thanks.

A

Thank you for your comment., please step 4. If you like to make a comment.

G

L

John klauer, I am going around and visiting each of the.

L

Organizations agencies groups that signed the collective letter in support of biased crime.

L

Legislation so tonight's city council,.

L

I was disappointed that the letter did not mention the importance of.

L

Accurate conscientious reporting of bias crimes.

L

By well-trained police.

L

Regularly accessible information to the public.

L

As you know, we have a biased crime, reporting law on the books passed in the year, 2000.

L

And there is widespread non-compliance with that law.

L

Including within the confines of monroe county.

L

This is why this is important. This issue is important.

L

The punitive approaches.

L

That the democratic and the republican leadership have.

L

L

Delegate and privatize the problem of bias crimes.. This is what I mean.

L

To give to a judge.

L

The responsibility of deciding whether bias in the case of the crime.

L

Committed needs to be acted on is delegating to this individual to the judge.

L

And to put the burden on the victim.

L

To go through the time, expense, etc of trying to get a response to the biased crime committed against them is.

L

Privatizing the problem now, if we had accurate, conscientious reporting of bias crimes by well-trained police with that information widely available.

L

Regularly to the public that would be an approach that would support an approach that would.

L

Communal eyes, a.

L

Solution to bias crimes, that is to say we would have the information.

L

We could hold people responsible within the community, we could.

L

We could do public education, we could try to foster.

L

Restorative justice, within our communities, that's communal, izing,.

L

The response to bias crimes.

L

I think it is really easy for us white people.

L

To try to find a silver bullet and then to declare mission accomplished.

L

That is to say, a law, a punitive law.

L

Such as all of the ten laws that were filed and the legislature this year, by both democratic leadership and republican leadership., it's very easy for us to.

L

Try to find a silver bullet and to declare mission accomplished and to go on to other issues.

L

Within ten years of the civil war.

L

The northern liberals experienced quote-unquote moral exhaustion.

L

With trying to ensure the first-class.

L

Citizenship rights of african americans, they gave up and many of the problems we experienced today.

L

Are a result of having given up.

L

So I would appreciate an opportunity and some other.

L

Venues some other context to.

L

Make the case to city council.

L

L

Decide whether it wants to get on the same page with other.

L

Organizations locally, who want to fix and strengthen our current.

L

Bias crime reporting law.

L

So that we can actually take a commune, alized approach to bias crimes.

L

And we've gotten plenty of time because has could have been entirely predicted a year ago.

L

The demo we're not, the republicans, were going to have a supermajority.

L

And their caucus was going to be divided over getting the words gender identity into the city into the criminal.

L

Code, mr. claire, you've got about 30 second. thank you., so.

L

We'll have a whole year to work on getting everybody on the same page in terms of.

L

Biased crime reporting and fixing that law. thank you.. Thank you for your comment.

A

Is there other public comments.

A

Okay,, seeing none. we'll go to appointments to boards and commissions. Are there any?.

A

Seeing none we'll go to legislation for second reading and resolutions.

J

19-0 six be read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only.

A

It's been moved and seconded that ordinance, 1906 being introduced to read or the clerk by tunnelled synopsis only.

A

All in favor. say aye aye any opposed.

A

The clerk please read.

B

Ordinance 1906 amending title 15 of the bloomington municipal code.

B

Regarding reducing fees for law enforcement recordings and bringing said fees into compliance with state law,.

B

The synopsis is as follows: this revision to title 15 lowers.

B

The fees charged to members of the public who request law enforcement recordings and brings the fee structure into line with state law.

B

At present, title 15 directs the police department to charge a flat fee of.

B

$150 for every law enforcement recording and produces.

B

However, the indiana public access counselor has clarified that municipalities may only charge the direct cost of providing a law enforcement.

B

Recording but said cost may not exceed 150 dollars and that a flat fee is not permitted. Your committee do pass recommendation.

B

For this ordinance is 9 0 0.

A

J

Move that ordinance, 19-0 six be adopted.

A

M

Please thank you. Councilmembers michael rooker city attorney for the city of bloomington.

M

I think that councilmember sandberg correctly characterized this.

M

Measure last week when she described it as a housekeeping measure from time to time.

M

We see guidance from various bodies that indicate that certain provisions of.

M

Municipalities codes are need to be modified or corrected.

M

There are a number of codes that had a number of cities that had a flat fee provision for their law enforcement.

M

Recordings like this of a hundred and fifty dollars evansville, for example, was the municipality that was that was part of that public access, counselor.

M

Decision so this is just a cleanup measure to reduce the fees for law enforcement.

M

Recordings and to bring them into line with the most current guidance from the state.

M

Happy to answer any questions: if there are additional questions about this provision,.

M

Could you state the theme sure the fee is going to be the direct costs of providing the law enforcement recording.

M

So that's going to be made up of the labor that goes into.

M

Retrieving obtaining blurring muting the recording and then also.

M

Any fee that's associated or cost that's associated with the medium on which the recording is provided.

M

So like a flash drive or a disc and that can only rise to the level of 150 dollars., so that's a maximum.

M

So that's no longer a flat fee. that will be charged, but in the event that the labor exceeds that hundred and fifty dollars the feet will stop at one hundred and fifty dollars.

M

A

Councilman granger was a question.. I.

G

Know last time you said that a complex request costs about a hundred and twelve dollars,, but it varies by request.

G

But it seems to me that.

G

Part of the time that's going to have to be calculated into this cost as calculating the cause.

G

And maybe that's silly, but you know, it's like with a flat fee. You just do it and you're done,, but now we're gonna have to take time.

G

Calculating how long did it take me to do this just at itunes.? It's just I mean I get it.

G

We don't want to overcharge, but it just seems laborious.. You know,. I will say it.

M

That's actually not, that particular part of it isn't terribly onerous.

M

There are only two or three people at the police department who are going to work on these requests and.

M

We know what their hourly rate is based on their salary.

M

So it's just a matter of them tracking the amount of time they spend on a particular request and then plugging those hours into an excel sheet. That already has their.

M

Their hourly rate, thank you in a column.

A

Other questions for mr. roker.

A

Okay,, seeing none and we'll go to the public on ordinance 1906. If you have a comment.

A

Saying no, and we're back to council for comment or recommendation.

A

Come summer sandburg support this measure. It is necessary to keep house.. Yes.

A

Other comment: recommendation sexy okay.. The question has been called an ordinance 1906, the clerk.. Please call the roll.

F

Councilmember piedmont, smith., yes, grainger. yes.; yes,.

F

Mr. baum, yes, sandburg., yes, ruff. yes.. Thank you.

F

That ordinance has adopted 6-0 thank you. mr. ruger.

J

Resolution 19 is hero, 5, be read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only.

J

It's been moved and seconded that resolution 1905 be introduced and read by the clerk by tattled synopsis. Only all in favor.

A

Say aye any opposed. Will the clerk please read?.

B

Resolution 1905 to approve recommendations of the mayor for distribution of.

B

Community development block grant cdbg funds for 2019.

B

The synopsis is as follows., the city of bloomington is eligible for a community block development.

B

Community development block grant from the us department of housing and urban development.

B

Estimated to be $800,000, this resolution outlines program recommendations by the mayor with input from the citizens advisory committee and the redevelopment commission.

B

Pursuant to federal regulations, cdbg allocations are made across the following general program areas.

B

Social service programs, physical improvements and.

B

Administrative services- you do not have a committee recommendation for this resolution.

A

Thank you,. Mr. president, I moved that resolution debt 19-0 5, be adopted.

A

Thank you, miss sims.

N

I'm doris the director housing, neighbor developer department, our hand and here to present to you.

N

The 2019 recommendations for funding out of the cities. can we development block grant?.

N

Dan is assisting me here tonight.

A

Doors, could you move the mic a little bit close. so close.

A

Thank you,, so the community development block grant program.

N

Needs to meet three objectives, any other programs that are funded, which is elimination, islamic life.

N

Benefit low to moderate income people and beat urgent need and.

N

Seventy percent of the funding under the block grant program is required to benefit low to moderate income people.

N

We, as was stated, the funnies, divided into three categories.

N

15% of the grant can be used for social service funding.

N

20% can be used for the administration of the program and.

N

65% of the funding can be used for what we call physical improvement projects, roads, streets, sewer projects as well as housing projects.

N

We have a citizen participation plan that outlines how we go about allocating the dollars.

N

We do that in two ways. One is public hearings as tonight?.

N

We've advertised this meeting as a public hearing which allows the public to come forward and comment on the.

N

Allocations that I'll review with you tonight, as well as we have a citizens, advisory committee or cac committee.

N

That is divided between social service activities, where they review all the applications that we receive for social service funding, and I want to thank councilmember.

N

Sandburg, who sits on our social service committee and then our physical improvement committee, which reviews all our other applications.

N

For funding and on the councilmember andy ruff, who sits on that committee,.

N

Ensure we don't have any idea of how much funding that we're going to receive.

N

We usually look at what we received the year before and then try to estimate what.

N

May anticipate receiving in the next year last year. we received around eight hundred and eighty six thousand dollars.

N

So we're looking at eight hundred thousand dollars as our base point and allocating our funding.

N

Both of the committee's determine what would happen if there's a decrease or increase in funding?.

N

We probably will not find out our actual final dollar amount from hud and to around about april.

N

But we still move forward with our process and so in order to make sure that our.

N

Application is turned in on the timely matter, so we can receive our funding as soon as possible.

N

So that eight hundred thousand dollars be distributed as follows: five hundred twenty thousand would be used for our physical improvement projects.

N

120 thousand dollars, which is the maximum 15 percent, set aside?, that we can utilize under the block, grant program for social service activities and then 160 thousand dollars for administration of the program.

N

So the 120 thousand dollars would be allocated among the five social service agencies that you see.

N

Twenty five thousand dollars will go to community kitchen, another twenty five thousand dollars to the food bank.

N

Twenty five thousand dollars to mother hubbard's cupboard boys and girls club will receive $25,000 and the minor county united ministries were received. Twenty thousand dollars the social service committee.

N

What they had recommended that that's, okay, you have to go back what they recommended that if the funding is increase, then.

N

Mario county united ministries amount will be increased to match the other.

N

Allocations up to twenty five thousand dollars and if the funding is decreased and all five of the agencies will receive.

N

An equal distribution of that decrease across the board.

N

So our physical improvement activities that we were fun in the maximum amount of that is.

N

$520,000 live decides, receive funding for two projects that they have won for.

N

Renovation of one of their group, homes. they're highly a group home for.

N

$25,000 and another to provide security system in crawford to which is a homeless.

N

Housing project that they owned the.

N

Bloomington housing authority will receive.

N

$150,000 to put accessible sidewalks within their crest, small.

N

Reverend butler complex, as well as to put accessible ramps in front of a couple of their.

N

Elderly complex units middle white house will receive $20,000 to update their far alarmist smoke detection system.

N

Within their housing project and their center, stone received two grants: one to do a roof replacement.

N

At 120, wild north hopewell street project and another one at.

N

6:35 south rogers, a forty five thousand dollars for accessibility, rent.

N

The city of bloomington hand department will receive seventy seven thousand dollars for our owner-occupied rehab program.

N

This is a program with homeowners can apply for rehabilitation, assistance for their homes.

N

Habitat for humanity will receive sixty five thousand two hundred fifty seven thousand dollars to go towards.

N

Development of infrastructure improvement project for their next home development project, known as.

N

I think it's osage place, which will be located off of south rockport road.

N

Mother hubbard's cupboard will receive seventy thousand dollars to do facility improvements to their.

N

Location and then the city, employment, planning and transportation will receive an additional thirty. Five thousand three hundred forty three dollars.

N

For the fifth third addis improvement project, if you recall this is a project that.

N

We received allocation of funding about a hundred and forty thousand last year and this is additional funding to help with.

N

The improvements of building a sidewalk at that location.

N

And that concludes the allocations under the block grant program and I'm available if you have any questions,. Thank you.

N

Thank you, mrs.

A

Director simms and I suppose we could direct questions to councilmember, sandburg and ralph as well other questions.

A

A

Okay,, I got a couple, I think I've got at least one.

A

What's the trajectory of cdbg funding that we've been getting over the past few years?.

A

Has it been declining as a plateaued?, I mean what what's the status of that?.

A

Because I know we try to fill in with the jack hopkins, sometimes right. We consider.

A

N

Beach cdbg funding it's kind of hard to predict what it'll be from year to year, because there's a lot that goes into the formula.

N

Allocations to different cities in there and it'll change.

N

Bid, if there's more more cities who become entitlement, cities.

N

Like I just learned that the city of greenwood is now an entitlement city under the block grant program.

N

Which means it'll affect overall allocations of all entitlement cities.

N

Last year,, we anticipated that we would receive about.

N

700,000 and then that's when we got like 183 thousand dollars,, so we were really surprised, but the year before that we received a.

N

Decrease,, so it's really pretty much a a.

N

Shell game at this point in time of what we anticipate, what we will receive, what we're hearing out of, washington.

N

Is that they did not cut the allocation for cdbg that it remained the same.

N

So we're hoping that we will will get the eight hundred thousand and maybe is slightly more.. So our projections are pretty close to point.

N

But we never know, and till hud actually tells us what our allocation dollars are. okay.. Thank you.

A

So it's unpredictable.

A

Customers devon,: it should give us a little update on the housing rehab program.

N

So our housing rehab program, which run our staple programs that we've done over 40 years under the block grant program.

N

It's been a little slowest.

N

We tend to not do as many complete housing rehabs,, but more of.

N

Housing we have under our other two programs, which is our accessibility program, as well as our emergency home repair program,. So I don't know.

N

You know, one of the things that we talk about internally within the department of how to better market our housing rehab program.

N

I think a lot of times what we find is that.

N

Homeowners who come to us believe it or not, still have a lot of debt on their property, and so they can't make the income.

N

Ratios that are needed and border, because our house, a rehab program, is a loan, a direct loan that requires payment.

N

Whereas our other two programs are grant programs and so we're looking at turn, iliev how to do more outreach to the community about our housing rehab program.

N

But also ways that we may modify that program to get more people who come in and apply for it, right?.

C

Isn't it a deferred loan that sometimes isn't paid back until the house is sold or what is the combination of both?.

N

It's based upon your income, so a portion of it can be a deferred loan and then a person who can be a direct loan.

N

It's all based upon what the income level is, but it still.

N

Count against your debt ratio against your house because, as you said, if it's even a deferred loan.

N

It has to be paid back when the house is sold., so we have to really look at what you owe.

N

Currently, on your home, as well as how much you would be barred under the program.

C

Okay. thank you. you're welcome further council questions.

A

Okay,, seeing none we'll go to the public for comments on appropriation, ordinance, 1901.

A

I'm sorry 1905 for resolution 1905.

A

So,, you know public we're back to council for comment. Customer sandburg.

J

Thank you,. I always like to draw the contrast between cds.

J

I'm always grateful for the amount of money that we anticipate will be getting from.

J

This year, $120,000, we were able to practically fully fund five four out of the five.

J

Organizations and so,, you know, fingers crossed or that's going to hold and we won't have to reduce those awards.

J

These are highly prized dollars because they go for salaries.

J

They go for operational that a lot of funding sources are not able to do so. A lot of our really great.

J

Organizations that do so much to provide for low to moderate income.

J

Families in need are so appreciated., so appreciative of this particular funding source.

J

I do like to contrast it with jack hopkins and this year with our reverting.

J

Ability, we'll have about three hundred and ten thousand dollars to allocate.. Now these this is a different grant. Program.. It has different criteria.

J

But it does as, as has been suggested, kind of fill the gaps from the organizations that weren't able to get.

J

Cdbg funding to be able to get additional program.

J

Support equipment support that they need, and so the combination of the hud funding for cdbg, with our own city's commitment.

J

Which is a much higher amount goes a long way to support our very valuable nonprofit organizations.

J

It's a it's a public nonprofit partnership that I'm extremely proud to be a part of in both committees.

J

I want to thank my committee. They work very hard., they are a very experienced granting committee., and so they make good decisions.

J

They've been doing it for a while and they're very thoughtful and thorough and how they vet and how they.

J

Follow the criteria, as well as thanks to hand staff eric satyr and danny german, who obviously.

J

Walk us through the process and help the organization., so thank you.. It's a privilege to serve on this.

A

Thank you, councilmember sandberg customer granger.

G

Thank you, miss ann marie.

A

Thank you. Another comment.

A

I'd like to extend my thanks to director simms and to council members, sandberg and ruff for your service on the committee.

A

So is there a recommendation?.

A

G

A

It's a call the question: okay, question,. We called and seconded on resolution 1905.

A

Well, the clerk, please call the roll.

B

Council member granger, yes rallo. yes. mr. baum., yes, sandburg., yes, breath., yes,.

F

Yes, thank you. thank you.. It's a 6-0 kind of night. okay,, we'll move on now to.

J

An ordinance 19-0 one be read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only.

A

It's been moved and seconded., that's.

A

Appropriation ordinance 1901 be introduced in read by the clerk by ted allen system synopsis only on favor., say aye aye.

A

Any opposed the clerk please read.

B

Appropriation ordinance 1901, especially appropriate from the food and beverage tax fund, expenditures related to the convention. Center expansion.

B

Appropriating funds from the food and beverage tax fund, the synopsis is as follows:.

B

This ordinance appropriates funds from the food and beverage tax fund for expenditures related to the convention. Center expansion.

B

Project, including expenditures for phase 1 of the project, which involves conceptual and design work, a survey.

B

Appraisals and environmental work and other such related services as may be identified during phase 1.

B

Your committee recommendation was: do pass. 8:01 thank you.. Mr. president,.

J

I move that appropriation ordinance, 19-0 1, be adopted.

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Thank you, mr. in iceland welcome to evening council members deputy mayor, makran aizen as.

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The clerk indicated this request ordinance 1901, is to use the proceeds from the food and beverage tax to.

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Hire an architect to do the phase. One conceptual.

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Renderings massing renderings and conduct public.

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Engagement sessions as the beginning phase of the expansion of the existing convention center project.

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Last week we gave you a bit of detail about the upcoming schedule, just to refresh that.

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Detail for the public I'll mention that the public stakeholder interviews are scheduled for march 5th, 6th and 7th there all day, long.

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They'll be conducted by our architects, on-site and then there'll be a public meeting on march 6th in the evening.

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That'll all be publicized on the city's website, time place, location and then a public blog will be also.

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Identifying opportunities for people who can't come to meetings or aren't identified as stakeholders to participate.

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In the conceptual master plan, design phase and all that data will be collected during the course of those three days.

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Put on the blog site so that folks can take a look at it and provide feedback and then.

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Iterations of how the site plan might develop will be developed over the next month or so in april, then shared back with the community.

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In the middle of april, confirmed by the steering committee that is overseeing the project and then finalized as a conceptual master plan sometime in may.

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So that's phase 1, which would lead to then a phase 2, which is the actual blueprints, the real detailed designs with much public input. As I mentioned last week,.

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That's where you get to pick out the curtain, colors and the window sizes and all of the architectural features and that's going to take somewhere between nine months and a year.

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To complete that phase, two.

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Aspect of the project so for this particular aspect, just to give you the details again,.

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The design fees, including updating a market demand, study, phase, 1 programming and concept, design and phase 1 community engagement.

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That's a hundred and ninety five thousand five hundred of the three hundred fifty thousand dollar requests.

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Reimbursable expenses to do any printing or posters or things that will be part of the public engagement process and.

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Renderings and things that will come out of the process is nineteen thousand five hundred.

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These are all not to exceed amounts.

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Additional services include survey site appraisals, environmental surveys, drone imaging of the site for massing.

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Interior and exterior mobile scanning of the existing convention center building and those in total or about a hundred and thirty-five.

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Thousand dollars, so that totals three hundred and fifty thousand again a max figure. It could come in less than that.

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Depending on the amount of work, they actually need to do with some of this, but that is the estimate for phase one of the project.

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We did not ask our architectural team to come back. Today. they're from kansas city and indianapolis.

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Rather, you get me jeff, underwood and philippa guthrie. we're happy to answer any questions that you might have.

O

Thank you,, mister and, I said, are there questions from council?.

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Comes myra, piedmont, smith,.

D

Yeah,, I was just wondering if the.

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Specific time and location of the public outreach meeting has been set yet.

D

It has march, and it escapes me.

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My memory, but it is the wednesday night, march 6th.

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If anybody back there and look it up and we have a chance to relay it before I get off the microphone.

O

We'll try to do that. It'll be publicized in the newspaper and on our website in the numerous way.. So we'll definitely get the word out.

O

Thank you other kinds of questions.

A

Okay,, I just want to mention to the public that this was discussed extensively both at work session and at our committee. The whole meeting.

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Last week, and so and the architects had joined us at that point, if they don't mind,, I would add to that.

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The steering committee that is jointly appointed by the city in the county.

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Has been engaged in discussions for quite some time to get to the architects selection process, the food and beverage advisory commission.

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Is the entity that had to authorize the use of these funds, not the amount, but the use and you're the body that has to.

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Approve the amount so there's numerous checkpoints and have been along the way as there will be throughout this very public.

O

Partner project that we have coming up., so it's just as exciting.. We were talking about the hospital reuse.

O

Councilmember piedmont smith mention that today and this project has the same kind of.

O

It's going to take a lot of public input, a lot of time to design it and do it, right.

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It's a project, that's gonna, be in our community's downtown.

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For decades to come, so we definitely want to make sure we're thoughtful and reflect on on what the public wants to see.

O

In this, what we hope will be an iconic structure when it's designed.. Thank you.

C

O

That's correct so phase one, the first one is just for the this component and then there'll be another round of those that will come back before you and it's possible even.

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Intervals in between before we get to that next bigger step.

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For example, controller underwood is working with bond council already and starting to begin to find out how much that will cost.

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We'll have to go to the advisory commission first to have them, authorize the use and then come to you.

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Financial advisors or another element we'll have to figure out over time.

O

So there's many steps that will bounce between the various bodies that have to approve it and they start with the steering committee and almost.

O

Every single part of this project, right?.

C

So, council and the public can be assured of updates because the money has to keep.

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Flowing you can be assured that dates, because it's a very big community project.

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But yes, you also have the the benefit of knowing that it's going to come before you every time we want to spend any funds from the food and beverage tax.

O

A

Great councilmember grainger.

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I just wanted to make a comment that I was very pleased with the architects that the group plastered both groups.

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It was obvious it seemed obvious to me that they really are committed to this public process and.

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For this operation to work., I think it there has to be a very.

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Public public process, so I am.

G

Pleased with their approach, the second thing I want to say is: I'm really. I.

G

Mean if we're gonna have a convention center,, I'm glad it's in downtown bloomington, as opposed to buried somewhere along.

G

The highway that's going through there's nothing wrong with.

G

Constructing near highways, but it would have a very different feel, I think, than what we're going for here. and I I hope that being downtown. It will.

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Maintain that community feel and the importance of the community being involved in that.

G

Building how it goes up and what goes in it. thank you.. Let's turn that into a question, because it's we're in the question time.

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Councilmember grand jury. Yes, the answer to your question is: we were very cautious and.

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Thoughtful about selecting the architect to make sure that all the things that you wanted to see and.

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The steering committee and other members would be reflected.

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By the right architectural firm- and we agree with your question- that it is important to have that as part of the project.

G

I did not pull a krister bomb.. I honestly thought we were in comment.

A

We're fine any other questions and we'll come back for comment. Any comment from the public.

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On appropriation, ordinance 1901, seeing none we're back to council for final comments.

D

Make sure that there really was no public comment cuz. There are two gentlemen at the microphone.

D

I didn't want people to think that they couldn't come up just double check.

D

Okay, I'll give a second chance for public comments. If you were.

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Dissuaded before please step forward yes,, you may step forward.. This is on a appropriation ordinance 1901.. I'm sorry.

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I just have a request bringing a little forward,. Please.

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State, your name.

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Rick phillips I'm having a hard time understanding what people are saying?, and so I don't know if the volume couldn't be increased.

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I do have that. You'll have feedback, but I couldn't understand half of what was said and so.

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All I got was your you're making it a convention center., that's about the only thing. I really understand about all this. So.

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That's my request.. Thank you.

A

Okay. thank you.. Thank you for that comment. We'll try to be clear and we'll try to give you a narrative as we go forward because I understand you know.

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We're in a process here, deputy mayor.- I only want to mention we found the time of the public meeting.

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So if I could take a moment to just mention this and take advantage of the the question that came up about that.

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It's wednesday, march 6th in city hall, illness, dislocation from 5:30 to 7:00.

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So wednesday, march 6 from 537 open anyone won't be the only time that those opportunities will present themselves.

O

But that is the first one of the opportunities for the general public to come in in this building and not quite sure. If we have identified who's going to be in.

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Here well not here because you're here.

O

But in the building and we've done them out in the atrium before and we've set up like that., so I.

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Suspect we'll be out there okay,, and this is an opportunity just to be clear- for the public to come in sort of a shred sitting.. Is that right or.

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Public comment: don't have an idea of the exact setup of what the.

O

A

On the planning for the convention center so.

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Excuse me comment yes,. I think that might have been a miss reading of the email.

B

The public session is going to be held at the convention center on that wednesday.

B

City hall is only on that thursday., okay convention center.. Thank you for that clarification.

A

Other comment: councilmember sandburg.

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Supportive of the idea of having food and beverage taxes to help.

J

Expand the convention center when you hear from.

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Cilicia copic and all the individuals who are currently running the convention center.. They have been saying for a long long time.

J

They need more space in order to get more clientele into the convention center.

J

But I think we can all agree will have some real benefits to not only the city of bloomington but the but the neighboring vicinity. And so.

J

I'm glad to play our part this evening to be part of the approval body.

J

To approve the funding for phase one that has already been vetted and.

J

Presented to us and as councilmember rallo stated a lot of what we have heard.

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And have discussed was took place last week.

J

So we apologize if we're kind of truncating the discussion here,, but this again is phase one.

J

There's going to be a lot of public comment to come and.

J

Therefore, I feel very confident.. This will be a true community project with true community benefits.

J

Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember stovall?.

C

Yes, I took my wife out last saturday and looked out on my receipt and it said.

C

Fb 26 cents so check your receipts.. That's how we're paying for this! It might have been nineteen cents.

C

I can't remember, but it was it's an insignificant amount and it's shared across the county.

C

It's gonna build something: that's going to create jobs in this community for a long time to come.

A

Councilman smith.

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Yes, for the benefit of mr. phelps and others who may just be tuning in, I want to just review what it is we're doing.

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So last year,, or maybe it was late in.

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2017., yes, it was.

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The county council approved an additional tax on.

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Any food or beverage that is consumed in a restaurant or that is prepared and taken home.

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So that was one cent in addition to the sales tax,. You know you have been paying for the last year. One additional cent per dollar.

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For any time you go to a restaurant or take something home from lucky's or whatever.

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So that money is shared by the county and the city governments., the city government is getting 90%.

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Because most of the restaurants and prepared food places are in the city.

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And the city committed to using all of their money to expand our convention center.

D

So we have a convention center,, but it's considered to be too small.

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For the demand that we have, we have people who want to hold conferences here.

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But when they find out the size, they say, that's not big enough., so they go somewhere else.

D

So this is what we're talking about this week is the first expenditure from that tax money.

D

So the administration is asking us to approve.

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$350,000, which will be used to pay an architectural firm.

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To do some preliminary planning for the expansion project and.

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Then we were talking about march 6.

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5:30 to 7:00 o'clock at the convention center. there will be a public outreach meeting that the architectural firm.

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Will hold to get public input.

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So just wanted to summarize that I think that this is a good architectural firm.. It's actually two companies. they're working in partnership.

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Convergence and schmidt associates.- they were here last week and I.

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Was pleased by their presentation and.

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Also by their green building credentials all three of the principals who were here last week, our lead accredited.

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Architects schmidt associates has both lead silver and leed gold projects that they have.

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Constructed or designed.

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They also seem very committed to the public input process,, which is very important to.

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This administration and the city government and.

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To citizens of bloomington,, we know that people like to participate and that's very important. so.

D

I I'm pleased to support this expenditure from the food and beverage tax.

D

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Don't like the I.

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Don't like the priority on.

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Expanding a convention center in an age where global climate change is becoming a.

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Very urgent issue- and we are investing money in a.

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Convention center that people will have to come to using fossil fuels, and I just don't think this is the wave of the future.. I think that we're going to find people we'll have to travel less.

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And do more of their meetings.

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Virtually online, and so I don't think this is a good expenditure of public money.

D

However, that decision has already been made, and the city has already committed to using the income from the food and beverage tax.

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To expand the convention center., so those commitments have already been made. So I can, you know.

D

Talk all I want about how I think it's not the right.

D

Priority but that ship has sailed fueled by petroleum.

D

So,, you know, given the circumstances. I'm going to vote yes on this.. Thank you.

A

Thank you, councillor, we're granger. I.

G

Just have a few comments. I like that., it's downtown., I like the architectural group and I support.

G

The expenditure., I think, it's past time, to move forward on this.. Thank you.

A

Thank you, councilmember stern, baum,.

C

Yeah, I took a tour of the trades district recently and had an interesting conversation.

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Many of those businesses are can work from anywhere there?.

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That's the new world, and what is interesting is for a while people thought they could just.

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Work for remotely- and that would be all that was necessary, but.

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Businesses found that there was no substitute for face-to-face.

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Meetings so some of these larger groups that have you know,, maybe 10 or 20,.

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Offices where everyone's working remotely still find it necessary.

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Three or four times a year to come together and speak face to face,, which is.

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Something that they found was.

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Absolutely necessary for the kind of communication that is necessary to keep their business working.

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And I I don't think it will be a thing of the past that people still have to get together and exchange information.

C

Personally,, so how they get to the convention center.

C

Let's hope we work that out in the future,, but I I don't think that's talking to one.. Another personally is going to.

C

Disappear., thank you.

A

Thank you other comments.

A

Councilmember ruff.

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Largely shear councilmember piedmont, smith's.

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Position on this site., I can't really it's very complicated.

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I've been able to get my head around or get a good answer to just how.

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Sustainable and economic development initiative.: this really is.

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The last meeting we were assured that the design will include convertible lobby, largely convertible to other future uses that may be more locally community-based.

P

Than sort of externally trying to draw in.

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People from outside for these kinds of events, which may or may not be.

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As I said, sustainable strategy for an economic development initiative,, but as council, my people on smith also said that horse left the barn.

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And I was pretty impressed with the company.

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With the folks who represented the firms and.

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I have the necessary level of confidence that.

P

It will be done in the best way that it can't be done, given the circumstances so I'll be voting. Yes. Also,.

P

Thank you., okay, I'll, take a.

A

Comment, if there's no others.

A

It's a very good comment and I wanted I want to get back to that about. You know.

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The necessity for this and looking into the future and determining if convention earring, is really going to be a future.

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You know growing field. I think the key thing here is that there is a demand. We know, there's a demand for a convention center.

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It would probably be filled that market pressure to build.

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It would probably be filled by private firms.. If we didn't do it., it would probably, as councilman granger said,.

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Could well be located on I-69 instead of downtown.

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This is not only a convention center., it's a civic center.. It's a public space., I mean think of all the.

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Nonprofits and and local events and symposiums that happen here locally in the existing convention center.

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I think that this will be a regional, a regional, civic, center. it'll be a.

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Local civic center for the public and in an age of.

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Declining public spaces., I think that this is a good investment.. We have control over it.

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It's downtown and I think that it's it's a it's a it's a wise investment for a civic center.

A

So with that, do we have a recommendation?.

A

Okay, questions been called on.

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Ordinance appropriation, ordinance 1901 with a clerk.. Please call the roll.

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Councilmember allen.. Yes, mr. baum,, yes, sandburg, yes, breath.! Yes,.

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Piedmont: smith,, yes, ranger yes, thank you.. Thank you.

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Appropriation riddance 1901 is adopted in 6-0 thank you.. Mr. burr niacin.

J

You wrote to be read by the clerk by title and synopsis on the second, it's been moved in, it's been moved and seconded that.

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Ordinance 1902.

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Be introduced and read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only all in favor,, please., say aye any opposed.

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With the clerk please read.

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Ordinance 1902 to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater.

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Stormwater rate adjustment, the synopsis is as follows:.

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This ordinance amends title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater by amending section, 10 point.. Oh eight point.

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Oh four or five and two ways: first, this ordinance immense action 10-point only.

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0.045 by increasing the stormwater fee from 270 to 595 in two phases to allow for.

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Appropriate funding of necessary improvements to the stormwater system, which includes phase two of the jordan river cole direct project.

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Implementation of a neighborhood, stormwater improvement program and.

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Implementation of a green initiative for installation of various green stormwater structures throughout the city.

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Second, the ordinance, this ordinance amends section 10 point o a put four five to better to find.

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Application of the fee through a clear definition of the single-family residential base fee and.

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Through more accurate representation of the formula used to calculate the fee for all non.

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Single-Family residential users, your committee recommendation is due pass nine zero, zero.

A

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Move that ordinance in the 19-0 to be adopted.

J

Q

Particularly, good evening, kelsey council vic kelson, director of cbu. I have with me our assistant director for finance.

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Laura pettit tonight, as you know,, we gave a detailed presentation and answered questions last week about the proposal.

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We've also been doing quite a lot of outreach with community groups.

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Regarding the stormwater feed.

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The purpose of the stormwater fee is to pay for stormwater services that are provided inside the city of bloomington.

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By the city of bloomington utilities,, so this includes.

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The neighborhood culverts, neighborhood stormwater systems and some large.

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Stormwater systems particularly downtown the largest one, is the jordan river culvert.

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Some of the these systems have been in place for well over 100 years.

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The jordan river culvert is now under sized for the size of storms that we receive and for the amount of impermeable surface.

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That's been constructed in its watershed since it was built, it is also in degraded condition after over 100 years of service.

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So that culvert has needed to be replaced for.

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About 20 years, the upper portion and the lower portion were replaced back in the late 1990s and early.

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2000S, but we have not had sufficient dollars from the storm water fund from the storm water fee.

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Since then, this fee has not been changed since 2003.

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There are three purposes for this request. The first is to pay for these major capital projects.

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Especially the jordan river tunnel, the and the inlet structure at sixth in indiana, near don meadow.

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There's also a smaller project to replace an arch culvert on.

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Spankers branch that lies underneath sixth street just west of the courthouse.

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That's the first thing. The second thing is to move.

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The the city of bloomington forward more aggressively in the use of green stormwater infrastructure.

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Traditionally, stormwater infrastructure is designed to move water.

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Quickly off of streets into underground, conveniences or ditches, and basically to get it out of town and keep it from from flooding streets.

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Green infrastructure slows down., thus the the speed with which the water is flowing through the system.

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It can also settle out or filter out.

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Contaminants that can cause degraded water quality downstream or.

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Plug up downstream conveyance structures, the this is a the development of green infrastructure, has been a priority for many utilities.

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Throughout the country, the city of bloomington built the.

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The stormwater treatment facility at miller showers park more than 20 years ago, and it has been.

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Very beneficial to the quality of water and.

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They were potential for erosion and cascades creek, since it was built.

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We want to to pursue this. The mayor has been very sort of about.

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Encouraging us to to get greener in the way we do.

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Stormwater infrastructure, as many other communities have, some communities have committed to.

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Spending dollar for dollar, on so-called gray and green.

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Infrastructure systems, we felt that.

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With the size magnitude of the projects that we need to do.

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Downtown that that would be a little too much for us to handle right now.

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So we're shooting for one third of the cost of those projects over a 10-year period, so.

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That would be four million dollars over a 10-year period or $400,000. A year would be dedicated to these.

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Green infrastructure projects, most of that, would appear in the form of improvements to projects that are done by.

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City departments in general, some by cbu some planning and transportation,, perhaps parks and public works.

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When other projects are being constructed, we can consider.

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Options for greener infrastructure, that's associated with those projects and and the green infrastructure fund can.

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Confine the increment between a gray solution and a green one.

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We can also consider using some of the green infrastructure money to incentivize development product.

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Processes downtown or in other parts of the see for example, putting green roofs on buildings. Those green roofs provide stormwater treatment.

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On top of a building that would benefit the city's stormwater system and and conveyance system for treatment of.

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Stormwater the last thing that the three priorities in this request is the.

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Revitalization of our neighborhood stormwater program, the neighborhood stormwater program pays for projects that we do.

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For example, a new storm pipe that runs parallel to a street.

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Councilmember rallo mentioned earlier tonight that at times, cbu.

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Participates in parallel during a sidewalk project by adding stormwater infrastructure as part of the sidewalk.

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Project that money comes out of the neighborhood program.

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It also is the source of dollars for the residential.

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Stormwater grant program that we've established this year with councils approval.

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So we want to be able to make sure that we have plenty of dollars to fund all of these activities.

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The way ssin we've been in with the neighborhood program is the dollars that are appropriated have been.

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Constant since 2003 but they've lost about 60 percent of their purchasing power., so.

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To move forward, we want to make sure that we can revitalize that program.

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Make sure that there's enough money to take on some of these larger, more expensive.

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Projects, because, right now, if we have a project that costs say 200 or 300 thousand dollars to execute that might take.

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It might take us four or five years to store up enough money to pay for it, and these problems can be can be very urgent.

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I was out with councilmember rollo in his neighborhood today.

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With some of my staff- and it was, it was a major.

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Challenge that they were facing over there and we've had plenty of neighborhoods in bloomington, where we had these kinds of problems.

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The fee would be increased in two stages.. It would be increased to $4 32 cents. On july, 1st.

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That would pay for the increase in the neighborhood program and.

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For the the green infrastructure portion, the remaining.

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Increase would be to $5.95 on january 1st,, which is approximately the time we expect to be bonding for the large projects downtown.

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So I'm happy to take any questions.

A

Thank you, mr. kelson, are there questions from council?

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councilmember sandberg guest editorial in today's ht? This morning. did you not. I did?. Yes,.

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I want to just commend you for that. I think your timing was brilliant, because I will say that you know since last week and this week I've gotten a lot of feedback.

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From constituents- and it's because it's just very dramatic and obvious with all the weather conditions, all the heavy rains that there are some really serious issues.

J

In their neighborhoods and also again, thank you., it's more of a comment than a question,, but I thought the timing of today's.

J

Piece in the paper was also great to help educate the public on what we're going to hopefully do here tonight.

J

A

Comes to me, mr. bowman.

C

Yes,, you just said, since 2003 a dollar has lost 60% of its value.. Is that what you said?? There's a number called the construction cost index.

Q

And the construction cost index has increased by 62 cents since 2003., so what cost a dollar in 2003 costs a dollar 62 now?? Yes,.

C

Okay., I just want to get that so when you're for these kinds of projects.

Q

Right, then., we had a lot of discussion about watermen last time. yes,. How.

C

Is it best for council to follow up?, I mean if we want to see that?.

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Residential grant program be initiated there to do some kinds of.

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Work that can't be done by anyone else well.

Q

The the largest challenge for them right now is, I think there are several fronts that were worded.

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That could be worked on there.

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One of them is, is the the neighboring company and its consultant and idea.

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We've done some investigation. Idem has has developed an individual permit for them?.

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And they have a consultant- and it's actually a consultant that we know.

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And we've reached out to both jv salvage and their consultant to find out the details of what their permit has.

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But it has actual actual performance standards and a schedule in it., so we're reaching out to them to find out more about how that works.

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So that handles the source part of it, the the.

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Downstream part of it, after the meeting last week, I asked our engineering staff to go down and look at the.

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Condition of the drainage features that are already present in in the waterman neighborhood and.

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They're going to be bringing some suggestions., we also.

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Have been preparing to get out there and look, there was one.

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Suggestion that that there were culvert pipes that were that were partially plugged with water with mud and we'll get over there and look at that as.

Q

Well, so dealing with the the water movement is certainly something that that cbu can do, because we.

Q

Maintain that infrastructure, as far as soils- that's really not in our that's, really not in our purview, but the neighborhood could work.

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We could try. It we've suggested that the neighborhood could seek some.

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Assistance from someone who's got expertise in soils.

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And remediation and talked to the office of land quality, we did send.

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Contact information for the office of land quality in indianapolis, and there may be some other grant programs where they could seek.

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Seek funding for actual soil sampling and testing.

C

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Other questions, customary, piedmont, smith,.

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Yes,, could you explain how the.

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Stormwater rates are calculated for.

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Non-Resident or not, for properties that are not single-family residential., I know it's in proportion to their.

D

Impermeable surface,, but how is that calculation done?.

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The calculation has done basically, what you start with an estimate of what an average residential property has in terms of impermeable surface, and then you.

Q

Scale up., so if, if you assume that a typical residence has, I don't know.

Q

I'll pick a number 2,000 square feet of impervious surface.. I don't know what the number is.

Q

So don't quote me on that,, but you had a 10,000 square-foot parking lot.

Q

Then it would be five times the residential rate., it's that kind of a proportion.. So it's it's based on a.

Q

Proportional area of impermeable surface- that's going to capture the water., but how do you get that square footage?? Is that self-reported?? Is that something in?.

D

The county's gis. it's.

Q

Actually, exactly, I believe, it's actually in the in the counties.

Q

Dated property database,, I believe it's in the property database.. It's also been surveyed.

Q

Using gis and other techniques- and it may be actually from the plant, the as builds from the when they built the facilities.

Q

But those calculations were done for most. These properties were done years ago for new properties. they're done at the time.. The property's constructed.

D

And how do we make sure to capture,, you know if somebody's expanded, their parking lot or something.

D

Well, they that would be, could be handled through plan reviews.

Q

So when you, when you go to expand or modify the layout of your property.

Q

You have to go back to plan review, to make those changes and when they do, the the plans come by us and and it's part of our stormwater.

Q

Approval process for construction.

Q

Okay., I have another line of questioning,, but I can differ to somebody else. okay., maybe I'll, take a question.

A

So the green infrastructure projects the $400,000 per year.

A

It's just kind of a rhetorical question, but do you consider it a good investment,, you know and what I'm aiming for is just purely from I mean.

A

It's good for nature and I'm sure bruce quality,, but will it obviate the need to put in the gray infrastructure later?.

A

If we employ these kinds of techniques, ideally that's that's part of what it does part of what it does is for.

Q

Example, if you had a storm water pipe and what you've been doing, is having.

Q

The rain events just route that water straight into the pipe that and it fills up the pipe. If you put.

Q

Some sort of green infrastructure like a a.

Q

Vegetative basin, with vegetation in it, the water will fill up that basin and then overflow it or be filtered through it.

Q

Depending on how you construct it when that water overflows,, then it's it slowed down, as it goes through that basin.

Q

So if you have a one-hour rain event and a.

Q

One hour long intense rain event. what happens what?.

Q

Instead of one hour of intense flow into the culvert, you might get four or five hours of elevated flow.

Q

And what that means is that the the at any given moment the amount of water? That's going through your.

Q

Your conveyance structures is smaller than it would have been at that peak flow and when you exceed the capacity of the.

Q

The conveyance structure, a peak flow., that's when things begin to flood., mm-hmm. great good, to know.

A

Thank you. clearly hydrologist a.

A

Trained hydrologist customer. mr. bowman has a question and.

A

Yeah,, just following up on bureau of land management., it seems that.

C

There needs to be a comprehensive soil testing for that area to establish the j and b.

C

What j and b has done and if there's liability by j and b for.

C

Overtime, possibly contaminated soil.

C

Did it was your answer that the neighborhood should do the great seek the grants or the neighborhood should.

C

See graves for the sampling or it doesn't seem that would be a way that it would actually happen, and it doesn't seem that.

C

Bureau of land management would respond to a neighborhood group or even a councilmember.

C

Is the office of land quality officer, link? well,? That's an indiana agency.

C

Office of wayne quality. yes,, so you get the point of my pick.

C

My question is: what role can the city play in helping to have you know,? What is a.

C

Comprehensive and respected survey of that site and then.

C

Moving on to find out what?, what needs to be done is there? Is there harm? Is there danger in that soil?.

C

And, and does jb have some responsibility for that having happen.

C

What is our role in helping that not kind about?.

Q

Our role is whatever the administration and the council decide, the role is, and.

Q

Cb, u doesn't do soil and it's really not something we do to go. Remember mediate.

Q

Neighborhood contamination is not really in our purview.

Q

We certainly work on managing stormwater and we're certainly interested in the quality of the stormwater and the quality of the water that ends up in our conveyance system.

Q

It's not something we have any expertise at all when we have to deal with soils., we hire someone to do it for us.

Q

I do understand that. yeah,, so.

Q

So there could be, I think I tossed out. I.

Q

Get an email conversation with with one of the council members last week and suggested that.

Q

One of the programs we already have might be a source of some grant money to to do to.

Q

To work with an expert, if you could find an expert who could advise where to sample how to sample and.

Q

And help to fund.

Q

How it helped fund the testing- and I could that- could come from any source that you already have in terms of.

Q

Grant programs., I think I understand that my worry is if it's not in your purview,, I don't know whose purview it's in.

C

Hours in the mayor's.

C

Except the right answer., what's that?, the purview is, if the council said in the mayor's is that I would be, I would say, yes, that would be.

Q

Because we really don't have a land quality department in the city.

Q

Thank you, and it's unfortunate,, but we don't have any particular expertise.

Q

So we would be just as naive about this going in maybe a little last night.

Q

But but just about as naive as as anyone else going into it.

Q

I think that you really need to do is find an expert and find a way to pay them, right?.

C

Thank you further questions, okay,, seeing none we'll go to the public. yes.. Oh.

A

Sorry didn't see right guess you got my attention.

A

D

Yes, thank you,. I had some questions about the.

D

The neighborhood grant program to address storm water problems in neighborhoods.

D

I know. mr. kelson, you and I spoke on the phone a couple weeks ago about this.

D

And so I wanted, just as this is a public forum.. I wanted to.

D

Ask you to provide some details for people who are really struggling with stormwater issues now.

D

About what they might be able to apply for this year. sure.

Q

There are a lot of problems that happen in neighborhoods.. I know.

Q

Councilmembers hear about them frequently from from residents and.

Q

Historically, the challenge has been some of these challenges. Some of these storm water problems actually happened on private property, where the city really doesn't have.

Q

The ability to work, we don't go out into someone's yard and cut down trees that are blocking.

Q

Swales and those kinds of things what?.

Q

What we've worked out here at cbu and working with the administration of the council this year is to establish a a residential.

Q

Grant program. that's come., that's.

Q

Directed towards owner-occupied single-family residences that may have problems.

Q

That have developed over time. for example,. If you have a subdivision that was when that was designed originally to have.

Q

Stormwater move through swales between homes.

Q

Sometimes the well over time, 30 or 40. 50 years those swales can fill in.

Q

Now those whales, the city has that has the easement to let water flow across that property, but we don't own it.. It is still the residents.

Q

Responsibility to maintain the swale.

Q

What we would, what we could do in this situation is that imagine you had four or five neighbors we're.

Q

Planning towards contiguous properties that may share some drainage issues and they could work together to make a proposal.

Q

For some grant money to help do modifications the grant money could pay for.

Q

Engineering, construction and.

Q

And a contractor to come and do to do the workflows and materials for the project.

Q

So, for example, if you had four homes and the swales between them had filled in and and water was now instead of flowing down.

Q

Down the swales was now flowing towards the homes.

Q

They could apply for a grant to help pay for reestablishing the swales in the configuration.. They were originally supposed to be.

Q

Our plan is to have a committee that would review the applications and make recommendations to our board about the actual.

Q

The actual expenditures of the money.

Q

Our preference we've been talking to other city departments.

Q

Especially hand and they've recommended that we assemble the contracts with the grants so that.

Q

We would pay the portion, we were paying directly to the contractors that did the work.

Q

So that the the residents would be responsible for the remainder of the cost of the project.

Q

But we have not established any fixed percentages or limits.

Q

On any of the projects, except that we can only spend the money that council appropriated from for the fruit any given year,.

Q

Our plan right now is to publish a.

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Complete laid layout of all of this about after march 5th, when our board will consider the plan for the plan for the grant program,. So.

Q

Sometime after that, we would publish it. We would be seeking letters of intent.

Q

To be brought in april or by the 1st of april.

Q

Those letters of intent would be reviewed and we might be able to make some recommendations about things. You could do to improve your grant.

Q

Application, the formal grant application.

Q

Period would be until may first and we would be trying to award the grants as early as possible in june.

Q

This year we haven't really gotten we weren't able to get started until our new.

Q

Ms4 coordinator started she's our stormwater coordinator and in late january, so we couldn't get started until until she was here.

Q

But we've been working really hard to get this thing put together and.

Q

And we'll see how what we learned this year as we started to develop our our 2020 budget.

Q

We may have more dollars available for that next year. If this is a big success,.

Q

So we're looking forward to the application period and and seeing how this thing works.

Q

And we'll and we'll make adjustments in the future. As as we need to.

H

Thank you. does that help?.

A

Any other questions from council?.

A

A

Now, if you have please step forward state, your name again., you don't have to sign in and if you've already signed in and.

A

Yes, please and.

A

This is comment on the ordinance appropriation ordinance for the I'm sorry, the ordinance for the rate adjustment.

I

Okay,, I'm rick phillips again this is going to be more complicated.. I realized I have some.

I

Counter points to what he was saying?, mr. phillips, if you could I'm sorry.

A

Between pictures.

I

Oh sure, and just make sure you pull that mic close.

I

Okay, I've got a series of pictures here,, I'm sorry for the noise. I've got a series of pictures here.

I

From 2012 and then some recent pictures.

I

I live on sunny slopes, drive and sunny slopes drive, if you're not familiar. That edition is just south of the marathon station of the big hill.

I

Okay,, basically, we this edition is built on to a hill and.

I

We are in the top part of that hill, but we're at the lowest point.

I

At the top part of that hill, all the water in the street.

I

Comes from both directions into my yard,.

I

So the street is draining into my yard.

I

So this is like I say this was taken in 2012 in january, and this is.

I

There's a circle this is looking towards my house. My driveway and all you see here is water.

I

Okay, here's another picture. This is from my driveway looking west towards my neighbor's house.

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You can see that the water is all collecting there and it's it's going through my yard.

I

To off the street okay,, this picture didn't come. Out. well actually shows pretty good on here.. This is.

I

This is where the water comes between my house and a neighbor's house.

I

This is looking towards my house,, which is they actually facing east and, as you can see here,.

I

This is like this got it, you got rapids, and this is all coming off. The street.

I

Okay, here's another picture.

I

Okay,, we got very tired of this problem. Every time it would rain and the street would turn into a river and flood into our.

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Yard we would have water in the basement and we we decided. We were going to get anywhere arguing with the city about this. The city.

I

Turned a deaf ear towards us: we'd talk to engineers, they've been out there and he said basically what he said, it's not their problem is.

I

Private property,, it's our problem,, but we're draining.

I

We're providing a service to the city and.

I

We're taking the city runoff into our yard., we should actually be able to charge the city.

I

The same way that they're charging us for the.

I

Drainage anyway, we hired ch.

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Landscaping they real and scaped our yard, and they put in this ditch.

I

Here again., this is from my driveway. looking towards the west towards my neighbor's house.

I

And this was taken today., and so they put in this drainage, ditch with river rock.

I

And here's, but we still have standing water in the street.

I

I wasn't able to get good pictures.. I didn't have time today to take pictures after the rain. We had.

I

But this is just this afternoon.

I

And so the drainage ditch is doing, its job is taking care of the water coming off the street.

I

Okay,, here's picture this is taking from.

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Looking northeast from my house., this is across the street and you.

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Can see water standing all along here if you were to if we had a big heavy rain.

I

Water would be running off here towards my house towards my side of the street and.

I

Going in that drainage, ditch in.

I

Last thursday, thursday, february 7th, we had that situation. there's just tons of water.

I

Okay, here's another picture, the same same viewpoint just looking northeast.

I

You can see where that standing water, is,, okay.

I

I don't mean to tell you a sad story or anything like that.

I

We were getting nowhere talking to the city utilities, about this.. We got so tired and so.

I

Overburdened with water coming into our basement every time it would rain.

I

That we did hire cnh, they took care of it., they put in a drainage, ditch and.

I

And it's been good up until last until that last thursday, when we had the heavy rain, the water did come in.

I

But it wasn't a whole lot.

I

I sort of feel like because.

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It's a city street that the city is responsible for taking care of that.

I

I don't feel I should have to be responsible for it, regardless of private property, regardless of what was there before?.

I

Before the city took it all storm waters before the utilities. took this wastewater.

I

Over, I think the city has a responsibility to provide proper drainage and.

I

I don't think we should have to apply for grants.

I

But if that's the way the system is gonna work,, that's what I'm gonna do,, but if the city.

I

Insists that's playing for grants to get a problem that I think, is the city's responsibility to take care of.

I

Then they need to streamline this whole process.. So it's easy for anybody who has an issue with stormwater.

I

To apply for a grant and they shouldn't have to get a bunch of neighbors together, apply.

I

Everybody should have an equal and easy way of going to get these grants and.

I

I, like I say I don't think the fee system is a fair system.

I

Because it does not take an account for people who are forced.

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Against their will to provide drainage for a city street.

I

And I think I have a very valid point.. I wish you would consider that.

I

And especially you, I would like you guys to consider that I'd like you to work with me on this.

I

I want you to be open-minded., I will be open-minded, but.

I

This has got to get solved also I'd like to point out that on that thursday, february 7th,, if anybody was around college mom on 3rd street.

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Easter street around there, but what that street turned into a river and I'd like to know.

I

With with all the funding we've been paying for into this storm water fund for a long long time,.

I

Why isn't this problem getting fixed?.

I

What are they doing with this money?? Where has it gone?? I would like to see some of this money.

I

That they want to get there's extra money to fix some of those things like on east third street to fix the neighborhoods.

I

And I like I say it just got to be a lot simpler way of going about doing this.

I

Thank you, mr. flutie. All I have thank you very much.

A

Yes,, I appreciate you testimony of bringing photos and- and we could discuss those questions in a few minutes.

R

Hi,, my name is sandy washburn and I'm gonna show you some pictures too.. This is the.

R

Alley right in front of my house and.

R

Yeah, you can go to the next one and now we'll go up.

R

4Th street one more. mr. sherman. keep going.

R

So this is the corner of 4th and fairview.. This is not the most recent flood by the way.

R

This is quite a while ago, and there is a storm sewer there at the end of that yellow line.

R

Can we go to the next one? and that's a fair view that storm sewer really doesn't collect any water.

R

I'm not really sure why it's there. no,. Can we go to the next one? and this is a storm sewer.

R

There is a storm sewer there underneath all that water.

R

And can we go to the next and and there's another one there on the other side of the street?.

R

Underneath all that water. can we go to the next one and the next one?.

R

This is just more of the same and the next one. sorry and now I'm cleaning it as I do.

R

About once every other month, maybe once a month- and so here you'll see what happens when I take away all the leaves.

R

In this, soil takes a while liz's across the street now. I'm doing both of them and one more and.

R

There it's clear and I have called the city.. I have suggested a schedule for cleaning off these grates.

R

There are three at this intersection and this is in prospect hill or where I live.. I call it prospect holler.

R

Then there are hardly any storm sewers up hill from me.

R

And these grates are never cleaned off. I mean never, so can we keep going and more and more? they're clean.. Sorry.

R

I uh,, but it didn't come out. keep going.. This is my backyard.

R

This is the alley between behind my house., it's been flooded.. Let's see., I bought the house in 2001.. I've had this kind of water in my backyard.

R

Maybe twelve times., so this is not like just this recent thing, which I realized was totally abnormal and then keep going.

R

Alley behind my house. keep going alley behind my house.. That's my garage, the brown thing., that's the fence!.

R

There is supposed to be a swale there and it is there by the way.

R

Keep going this is today. This is the storm great today, one more.

R

That's another storm great today.

R

Right underneath that water., and so I just want to say like if we're gonna pay more money for.

R

Infrastructure,, that's great prospect. Hill., I think, needs infrastructure.. I know. Topography is really tough up. There.

R

I don't know. how much could be done., I think, there's an underground stream, not far from my house.. I get that.

R

But if the streets aren't cleaned regularly and the storm grades aren't cleaned off, I.

R

Don't really see what's gonna. Do I mean the the water pools here, because the storm grades are not cleaned off.. So that's all.

R

Thanks, though., thank you for your work because I know this is hard working.

R

Thank you., thank you for your comment and bringing the photos. that's very good. Other.

A

Public comment: okay,, seeing none we'll come back to council and we could have more questions if we like.

A

Or comments who would like to begin come to my mr. bowman?

A

yes,? What is the program for cleaning storm drains and who is responsible for that?.

Q

We do clean it's important to know that we have over 6,000 of them in the city.

Q

When it rains, we do get out and do the storm grades.

Q

We can't do all of them every time.

Q

We get out and do as many as we possibly can some of the neighborhoods.

Q

Some of the that storm infrastructure is is old and needs to be.

Q

Improved and cleaned up, one of the things that that is is intended in the in the neighborhood program and from the green infrastructure program is to establish a dedicated.

Q

Crew, that would do nothing but clean storm sewers.

Q

Similarly, too., we have a crew that does nothing but.

Q

But doing videos and cleaning of.

Q

Sanitary sewers,, but we don't have a dedicated.

Q

Stormwater cleaning and maintenance crew that could be doing this all the time.

Q

One of the challenges that we have is we're a tree city, usa,.

Q

So every time it rains we get new leaves on the ground. The endless.

Q

So if it's it's a very difficult thing and we certainly appreciate it, when?.

Q

Neighbors go ahead and rake out the inlets.

Q

Anytime, you have a concern with that. You can either file at your reporter.

Q

You can call our control office, our control desk at eight one, two.

Q

Three three,, nine one, four, four: four: if you see a particular problem in your neighborhood,, just let us know and we'll get somebody out there.

Q

But we are working through this through the the increase and especially through the green.

Q

Infrastructure plan is to have a dedicated.

Q

Storm conveyance cleaning, crew, right?. That's a good idea.

C

I know of other people that clean drains in that neighborhood and it's good citizens,. But you know.

C

It'd be nice to not have to do it or not see it after the fact, I'd have to go out and dig it out, and there are a lot of them.

Q

And sometimes, if you rake them off, if there's mud in the in the culvert inside.

Q

Beneath the grate that can reduce the amount of water that you can get through them.

Q

So we do try to get out there.. You need a vacuum truck to clean that stuff out.

C

Thank you other questions or comments.

A

I have one about the.

A

Weather dupree, mr. philips, presentation.

A

Mr. kelson could what, if.

A

The water is cheating off of payment, our streets and it's and it's going into someone's yard.

A

What is what's the implication of that in terms of?.

A

And how could it be addressed.

Q

Well, there's two things for permanent solutions. What the particular neighborhood doesn't have storm sewers.. So all the drains. I live in park ridge.

Q

We don't have them either. So all of the flow of.

Q

Water is handled by either flowing down the street or flowing down a swale through someone's yard.

Q

I have one in in my yard that I have to keep clean and I have a.

Q

Pipe under my driveway that I'm responsible for also.

Q

But we the to do a comprehensive.

Q

Stormwater management program for a neighborhood and put in new culverts and so forth that costs money.

Q

And that's one of the that's one of the things that comes out of the neighborhood program.. So when I talk about.

Q

Building,, you know new stormwater infrastructure for for neighborhoods.

Q

That's what that program is that has been flat for 15 years.

Q

We are responsible for the water that flows across our property if you own property, you're responsible for the water that moves across it.

Q

And so the reason that we're establishing the grant program is to walk the line between.

Q

All of us can benefit from from these improvements, but property owners are responsible for their property for its upkeep and its maintenance and.

Q

We can help pitch in, but we can't do it.

A

Okay, come summer december, you have a question.

J

To me that a lot of the issues have to do with the same issues.

J

We have a sidewalks and that many of them were designed or not designed, as the case were made by whoever developed the.

J

Residential neighborhoods., so is it an issue in both park east and perhaps in sunnyside that whoever engineered?.

J

The the building of those homes, was it a you know, subdivision,. You know.

J

I mean we can go back and point our fingers and who engineered this thing and how come things fall down the hill. But then.

J

You know,, this is a very tricky issue and I don't you know,. I I appreciate your position.. I certainly appreciate mr.

J

Phillips position that who is ultimately responsible., we don't want people's homes to flood.

J

But the fixes trying to go back and retrofit a community that perhaps was not even built with proper engineering.

J

You know who does take on that responsibility?.

J

It appears to me that the neighborhood program will be certainly a step in the right direction to provide relief for the neighborhoods that are having these really.

J

Very dramatic flooding issues,, but.

J

Anything we can suggest, I'm sure, will be a relief to these individuals.

J

Q

There's there's a number of things and and we're aware of the problems in sunny slopes. In fact, yesterday, just yesterday.

Q

I was talking to our primary stormwater engineer about what what goes on over there with the flooding.

Q

We do have you know,, we have hundreds of locations like this in the city and.

Q

Literally hundreds- maybe maybe, if maybe thousands, of places where water can pond up and get into people's yards.

Q

It doesn't necessarily mean it was engineered improperly or designed improperly, but the landscape changes with erosion and with.

Q

Things that people do to it in their own yards, sometimes one of the challenges that we have in a lot of places is.

Q

There will be a drainage easement, where the city has an easement to let water flow.

Q

Through a swale through a property and there are trees growing in it., well, those trees look.

Q

Beautiful,, but they caused flooding upstream of the trees and when the water flows around the trees it accelerates, and that causes more erosion. As.

Q

It flows down beyond the trees.

Q

The city doesn't go in there and cut people's trees down.

Q

The that's just not what we do it, because.

Q

The because there's lots of reasons why we don't just go cut people's trees down when, when there's a drainage issue.

Q

So it's a thing where it's a situation, where?.

Q

The residents- and that means all the residents if my neighbor next door- is.

Q

Upstream for me, and has bushes growing in our sorry downstream for me- has bushes growing in the swale.

Q

That's there to protect my home from flooding.. I.

Q

I I need to work with that neighbor, and the idea here is for cbu and the city to work with these neighbors to solve these kinds of problems.. I think it's a conversation.

Q

It's a little bit cheating.. I was with with councilmember rollo in his neighborhood today.

Q

But we had four or five neighbors from from four or five different homes.

Q

All walking around in the rain today, looking at the situation and.

Q

That's not always the case.

Q

It's not always the case that one neighbor will recognize that.

Q

The things that go on on their property affect the people upstream from them.. So it's a place where we need to educate.

Q

And work with the name to find solutions in some cases, if there's no.

Q

Storm sewer systems through a neighborhood that might be the solution, but that solution is is an expensive solution.

Q

We that's what we use the neighborhood put money from our for.

Q

And and- and we can look at those situations where that would be the most effective solution.

Q

But if, if our goal was to make our.

Q

Goal is always to make everything be.

Q

As dry as possible to prevent flooding, we don't want water in people's homes.

Q

We don't want people who are water in people's yards,, but we do have large storm events and.

Q

The the cost of of.

Q

Mitigation is is very, very high when you have as many.

Q

Situations as we do the storm on on february, 7th was the largest storm.

Q

Most of us know about. We had snow on the ground., it was wet snow. The snow, melted.

Q

We had almost two inches of rain: one day. we had close to 6 inches the following day., that's an incredible amount of water.

Q

And by the way,, the soils are saturated and frozen. A foot below the surface.

Q

So there was nowhere for that water to go but to runoff.

Q

That was an incredible storm. The stage the water level in lake monroe went up four feet in 36 hours.

Q

When that storm happened,, so that's an incredible amount of water.

Q

Almost every street in the city had an inch or two of water on it for a while. During that event, and there really wasn't.

Q

Anything we could do to prevent that one.. What we can can do is manage the smaller storms much more effectively.

Q

Try to prevent cases like mr. phillips and the flooding in the yard.

Q

Either by building conveyancers are working with neighbors to improve.

Q

To improve drainage on private property.

A

Councilman ruff, you had a question.

P

We did. yeah.. Well, it mostly got answered.. I was gonna ask. mr. kelson for.

P

Some kind of ballpark estimate of the scale and scope.

P

Of these kind of problems in the community,, but you just heard you say hundreds, maybe thousands of.

P

These types of situations, so you put a number on a.

P

Guest number on the actual situation number of situations out there,. But could you begin to put a dollar figure?.

P

Estimate on addressing even a significant number of those effectively.

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Difficult thing to do, because everyone is different.

Q

One of the things that that is true, though, is that if we have a situation where there are five or six neighbors?.

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That all have a common flooding problem.

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Sometimes that's a case of the way the conveyancers are laid out on the properties.. Maybe they have a lot of corners in them.

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Maybe they've got trees and debris that falls down into them and plugs them up.

Q

Maybe one neighbor tried to make an improvement on their property.. There's a thing called a tail water effect.

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So if you imagine you have you have a pipe, the water can flow through.

Q

You can cause flooding upstream of that pipe if you block flow below the pipe.

Q

So the pipe can't the water can't get out of the pipe and if it can't get out of the pipe.

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It won't flow into the pipe and it'll just stack up on the upstream side.

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These things are complicated and every situation is different.

Q

The best way to do it is to find, if there's a problem, that's affecting six or seven properties that are near one another.

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The best thing to do is get everybody working together to find the.

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Solutions and that maybe that one neighbor may have to take on a little bit more extra complexity.

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Like the the the rock that they put into the drainage, and mr.

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Phillips property that that rock isn't just serving his house., it's serving the neighbors houses too.. So.

Q

The purpose of the stormwater grant program is to facilitate.

Q

Neighbors working together to solve problems and for us to be able to put some money towards solving some of these problems. But.

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As I said,, there are hundreds of them. so and varying sizes all through the city, okay?.

Q

Can I ask a follow-up for the quick? all right. thank you., so it seems maybe.

P

Providing no-cost engineering assistance or guidance or advice from utilities would be.

P

Maybe one of the best services and most cost efficient that could be offered because.

P

You know to provide someone who could get out there during maybe rain event meet with the residents and try to decipher.

P

What's what might be effective?.

Q

One stormwater engineer so if, in order to do something like that,.

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Council would have to establish additional engineering positions.

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That you know in order to do those kinds of projects it's it's all. We can do to keep up with our own projects as they are right, now.. So.

Q

We really don't have the mission at this point of.

Q

Being stormwater engineers for individual properties in the in the city, and we don't have the capability or the capacity to do it.

Q

At this point so.

P

Were you suggesting that the grant money might be used by the.

P

Owners to hire some engineering to be exactly exactly so one of the things that we're doing as we're working to establish the grant program is.

Q

We're reaching out to contractors and engineers to see where we can work out.

Q

Might be able to work out agreements where people would work, it would offer services at a reduced costs,, especially for low-income neighborhoods that could be facilitated through this grant program.

Q

So we are reaching out and we're trying to.

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Increase the care- and you know the capacity of.

Q

Getting these things done,, but it's a new program- and this is the first year.

Q

Okay.. Thank you other questions.

A

I had a couple going back to ms. washburn's.

A

Demonstration of blocks storm drains,, so money is going to that to accrue to do that on a regular, basis. yes.. So the situation should improve.

A

They should yes. okay, and do you think?.

A

She noted every month that these things were clogged.

A

I know that, probably if we get a big rain event, a clog in a couple minutes just from.

Q

Leading on what season of the year it is., would you say every month?.

A

There's something that the storm drain in a neighborhood would be at least inspected.

Q

I'm not sure what the schedule would be., but that would certainly be what would shoot for yes.

Q

Okay, one of the things is every time there's rain in the forecast. we send everybody.

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Available out out to clean drains, and in fact before the big, the big rain on the seventh.

Q

Both cbu and public works had people out cleaning in less.

Q

But that was a massive storm. yeah,, I'm sure it's asus, if ian's job and said determine.

A

Yes, you go back to that drain, a lot,, don't you?.

A

Okay, and the other one was mr. phillips, was talking about ease of applying for grants.

A

Will this be easy to to in the application? it's a one-page application with some.

Q

Photographs and and indications of what it is you're trying to do and do too. it does the committee that reviews it?.

A

Do they take public comments during that process or how does it work? we have not. We have not designed the meetings as yet.

Q

We are working on that right, now., okay, other comments before we.

A

Comes from piemonte smith., we're in question comments who are in requirements.

A

Yeah,, I just had a comment and it's.

D

It's I just want to say I feel for the people who have are continually flooded. I.

D

It's beyond frustrating, I have spoken with several of them and.

D

You know their yards are being eroded.

D

By this massive amount of water that was supposed to be a small,, you know swell and now it's taking up their whole yard.

D

Mr. phillips is in district 5. I encourage you to reach out to me to contact me.. I would be happy to help with the grant application.

D

So I yeah I just I don't know how to phrase my public. My comment on this matter other than to say.

D

There's not enough money in too many problems.

D

But I think that the storm water rate increase where everybody's gonna be paying a little more in, will have.

D

Some positive benefit in that will have some more money for these grams., so.

D

That's all I can say at this point. I do like the investment in green infrastructure.. I think that's.

D

You know, as we progress into the future and get some of these, these big downtown projects done.

D

I think we should increase the percentage that goes to green infrastructure.

D

So I I think it was said at last week's meeting,. You know this storm water rate increase.

D

Is way overdue, it's something that we should not.

D

Kick the can down the road for another 15 years. We should look at this every five years,, so.

D

That we don't have the same kind of sticker shock.. I know that some.

D

Nonprofit agencies will have a hard time with this, you know, if they have big parking lots and such because their bill will be more than.

D

You know the five or six bucks that a single family people pay.

D

But overall I will be supporting this and please anybody in district five, including mr. phillips.

D

Feel free to reach out to me through the council website or or just leave your contact.

D

Information and I'll try to help with the grants.. Thank you. Thank you, councilmember sandburg.. Thank you.

J

I do want to cut to the chase and say I support these additional fees.. I think they're necessary.

J

I do want to just kind of address one issue that was made by mr.

J

Phillips that you know,, where has all the money gone? Well, the money is going for what we're getting now by way of.

J

Utility services and stormwater services, what this increased is going to mean is we obviously need more because we obviously have.

J

Insurmountable problems all across the city, hundreds, perhaps more.

J

So I want to address that upfront, but as I'm listening to this whole conversation.

J

I'm you know starting. This may seem a little grandiose, but one of my.

J

Heroes as fdr franklin, delano roosevelt when, after the great depression.

J

He established the wpa people needed jobs.. He put him to work.

J

Infrastructure was crumbling, we needed projects- and I know we've done this on kind of a small scale with.

J

Employing individuals who are in need of jobs.

J

Partnering with center stone and getting people to help with our downtown cleanup efforts, and it.

J

Just occurs to me and it's not something I'm putting on utilities.

J

This is something I'm putting on us. Perhaps the administration, as we perhaps could look at a jobs program.

J

Where individuals in this community who need this kind of work could be the ones going around cleaning the storm drains. If we don't have enough.

J

Staff on utilities to do it.- let's use our heads., let's be creative., let's think about how do we one create jobs?.

J

How do we to solve some issues that we don't have the capacity to solve right, now?.

J

I think it's it may be idealistic, but I think it perhaps could be done with a little creativity and.

J

A little thinking until we can get this additional funding to do these wonderful projects that hopefully, will curtail a lot of these problems.

J

There might be some things we can do in the short term that could assist neighborhoods.

J

Who are having to bear a lot of the burden? Themselves?, I'm also thinking kona.

J

I don't know how much kona is looking at this. They are certainly advocates for their own neighborhoods and.

J

Problems that exists in their neighborhoods and perhaps we need to reach out to them to kind of partner with.

J

What can we do,, you know as a community as leaders in the community?.

J

To pull together the the necessarily manpower womanpower.

J

Resources to to try to get a fix, because these water events are not going to go away.

J

You know, we're going to be dealing with more and more of them.

J

Again,, as I mentioned last week, the american society of civil engineers.

J

Gives the united states a d-minus and their ability to manage.

J

Aging, older infrastructure, in my mind,.

J

This is the kind of national emergency that our president should be declaring and not dealing with his border walls.. Thank you.

A

Thank you counselor,. Mr. oh yeah,, you know when we talk about how many problems there are, it seems overwhelming?.

C

Unsolvable, etc. you know, we have a.

C

Experience on the counts on the sidewalk committee, where we get not enough money to do a lot of sidewalks.

C

But we prioritize and I think every council member could probably come up with two or three.

C

Really big ones, you know, and I think you guys know, even though there seemed like a lot of them.

C

Probably are on a couple of hands.: you could go here. The places that.

C

Just got screwed up somehow in the past nobody.. I don't know why. But you know, mrs.

C

So-And-So his backyard and her patio is eroding down the stream and she can't afford to do anything about it.

C

The 20 people upstream, don't care, you know, and I just think those are the kind of things that we need to take. Responsibility for and.

C

We'll have to have conversations in the future because I get it. The money has to go here or here or here, but.

C

Not my problem just can't really be an answer to a citizen. who's.

C

Getting washed away you know,, so I think over time. we'll we can start very small like we are and get something done,, but I think.

C

We'll all have to set priorities.. Where are those more important than.

C

You know little green curb,, you know,. We have to prioritize.

C

What where the money is going to go? so.

C

I'm gonna, I'm gonna prove this, but I want to see us have this ongoing conversation and.

C

And shift shift the responsibility a little bit more to the government for people who are.

C

Victims of everything upstream that and they bear on a even.

C

Unfair burden for their personal.

C

Properties. so anyway,, that's it., I'm glad we're gonna do all this good work.. I know we have to pay the money and.

C

Fixing drains is not sexy and but you gotta pay for it.

C

So,, thank you.

A

Well.There comment I'll just say a couple things. One is thank you for your presentation. mr. kelson.

A

Thanks for joining me in a neighborhood didn't today- and I was raining so it's perfect time to see how things weren't working.

A

It's a huge task and I do think that we didn't have proper design.

A

Infrastructure back in the 50s 60s and 70s they weren't even putting in sad works or storm drains anywhere practically.

A

Except downtown so and I'm hard to hear- and I want to thank miss washburn and mr. phillips.

A

We're coming tonight sitting over two and a half hours.

A

To say- and I think I'm heartened by that.

A

This grant problem program could be applicable to.

A

Things that, like mr. phillips described and we're going to have the servicing of drains, which is important actually.. Mr.

Q

Phillips, the situation was exactly the kind of problem that is very common, that that's exactly what we have in mind was.

Q

That's what I gathered. and I'm also very, I was very impressed because you brought your whole crew today and.

A

You guys are looking at the area in terms of its the topology and where the waters flowing and everything like that.

A

So that seems to me like you've, really you know, and there's ways in which we could apply.

A

Sometimes some neighbors working together, sometimes a city, sometimes contractors and so forth, and I think there's a really proactive thing to do. Considering climate change is only going to exacerbate it. so.

A

Anyway,, that's another. So is there a.

A

Recommendation.

A

Any questions been called in second and on ordinance 1902 will the clerk please call the roll.

B

Councilmembers chairman., yes, standard., yes, breath.! Yes,.

F

Iman smith. yes, granger. yes, rather. yes, sir.. Thank you.

A

Thank you, mr. kelson now,, we'll move on to her final legislation.

J

Be read by the clerk by title and synopsis only.

A

It's been moved and seconded that ordinance 1905 be introduced and read by the clerk by title and synopsis. Only all in favor., please. say aye aye.

A

Any post with a clerk, please read.

B

Yes, ordinance 1905 to amend title 10 of the bloomington municipal code entitled wastewater, a.

B

Substantial rewriting of the title of title 2 and following a review conducted in concert with the environmental protection.

B

Agency the synopsis is as follows.. This ordinance amends the bloomington municipal code, title 10 in four substantial ways.

B

First, this ordinance amends chapters 10.12 and 10.13 to update the city of bloomington.

B

Utilities wastewater pretreatment program to reflect the new standards enacted by the united states environmental protection agency.

B

These amendments were reviewed and provisionally approved by the environmental protection agency, pending approval by the city of bloomington common council.

B

Second, this ordinance moves all pretreatment enforcement penalties and procedures to a new chapter. 10.30.

B

These amendments were reviewed and provisionally approved by the environmental protection agency, pending approval by the city of bloomington common council.

B

Third: chapter 10.17 regarding the city of bloomington utilities, departments, fats, oils and grease.

B

Program has been amended to define what a new food service establishment is.

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Better identify the existing requirement for new commercial construction sites located in an area zoned for food service establishments.

B

To install grease, interceptors and better install.

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And better established the obligation of food service establishments that caused or contributed.

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Or contributed sanitary sewer overflow to install a grease interceptor.

B

The amendments also prohibit the use of garbage disposals in all food service establishments.

B

These amendments were reviewed and provisionally approved by the environmental protection agency, pending approval by the city of bloomington common council.

B

Fourth, this ordinance cleans up title ten formatting in many sections by replacing large paragraphs.

B

With outlines in an attempt to make reading this title easier, your committee recommendation was to pass.

B

A

Thank you. clerk, :.

J

Mr. president,, I move that ordinance 19-0 five, the adopted.

A

Thank you, mr. kelson good evening. The synopsis actually tells an awful lot of my story.

Q

So I'll keep this. As short as I can.

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Title ten covers our industrial pretreatment program, which includes both.

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Major industrial discharges and also our fats, oils and grease or fog program.

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The purpose of this is to protect the community's investment in.

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Sanitary sewer infrastructure and sanitary wastewater treatment.

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Which protects both their our investment and also protects the streams where we discharge the the wastewater after it's treated.

Q

The industrial pretreatment standards are there to protect our plant from?.

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The effects of industrial, major industrial wastes, so.

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We have a permit under what's called the national pollutant discharge, elimination system.

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Or npdes our npdes permit, among other things, lays out the concentrations of various.

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Contaminants that would be allowable for discharge into the stream down downstream of our plants.

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One of the things that can happen is, if you there, there are basically three things.

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We're worried about with industrial users.. One of them is.

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Chemicals that they could release that our plant couldn't treat, and that would pass straight through our plan. A lot of metal, ions and things like that are.

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Fall under that category, another thing that could happen is a.

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Discharge er could discharge an amount of a chemical that could affect the operation of our plant.

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These plants are biological treatment plans.. So if someone were to say discharge a whole bunch of disinfectant, it could affect.

Q

Degrade our ability to treat wastewater or.

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Phosphoric acid, or something like that they can cause up stats at our plant and potentially cause us to violate our npdes permit. The.

Q

The other category is anything that would potentially damage our infrastructure and the grease category.

Q

That's a big deal for the grease category because you can get.

Q

Significant plugging., I'm not going to show you pictures of sewers plugged with grease tonight, like I did last week.

Q

But they can plug sewers epa estimates about half of the sanitary sewer overflows.

Q

In the united states are actually caused by grease plugs, at least in at least in a major way,.

Q

You can also get if the grease makes it into the treatment plant. You can get grease balls that float in the basins and.

Q

Then we have to scoop them out of there or get them out of there and they gum up the works.

Q

I mean, that's what grease does so.

Q

Title ten covers all of these kinds of activities.

Q

Now industrial discharges have to abide by.

Q

Two kinds of standards in their discharges, one is called a categorical standard.

Q

They are called categorical because they are late.. They are specified based on industry categories.

Q

So, for example, a metal finishing operation operates under a section of the law,. That's the metal finishing.

Q

Categorical standards, so any discharge from a metal finishing operation has to meet those requirements.

Q

Plus every discharger in general has to meet our local limits, which may be different based on.

Q

What's going on in our facilities?, the local limits are actually calculated based on what our system can handle and.

Q

Who's, how many people are discharging and a lot of other things, also?.

Q

What can end up in the sludge that comes out of our treatment plant that we have to holloway?.

Q

Operational interference and so forth, those all go into a very complex formula.

Q

For calculating those local limits in 2014, we began working with a contractor to review our local limits.

Q

This is a natural thing that you do through the npdes.

Q

Process so as you're working through npdes permit renewals.

Q

You need to go back and sometimes look back at your local limits and.

Q

Especially if there's been some change in the number of industrial customers, you have.

Q

Or their size or what kinds of operations they're doing., so in 2014 and 15.

Q

We did a local limit study working with a contractor.

Q

Those that work was completed in 2015 and through 15 and early 16.

Q

Our staff worked with the legal department to draft ordinance with that ordinance language, because it's part of our npd s process has to go to epa.

Q

So it was submitted to region v epa in.

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2016 and it went through several revisions.

Q

As we receive comments from epa and made and made revisions to it,.

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Ultimately, epa gave us provisional approval of the of the draft. The draft.

Q

Ordinance that came to us in december and.

Q

The what happens next is it comes to council for?.

Q

Their approval and once you've approved it,, hopefully.

Q

Then we send it back to epa, and it goes into force after epa makes final approval of it.

Q

The changes that we've made are on the industrial side upper my primarily the updated local limits,, but we've also made some changes to the fog program.

Q

And that's and the most important changes are that?.

Q

The there was an omission in the in this ordinance that.

Q

In the in title, 10, that did not define what a new.

Q

Food service establishment was so that omission is corrected in the new version. In addition,.

Q

We have eliminated, we have forbidden the use of garbage disposals in food service establishments. Now.

Q

What what has happened in the past is when this, when the fog rules were put into title 10.

Q

Back in 2012, the way it was written was that new food service establishments would not be allowed to have garbage disposals.

Q

Food service establishments that had garbage disposals were.

Q

And fathered for the life of the disposal, so if, when that garbage disposal failed,, they couldn't put a new one in so practically speaking. There probably aren't very many of them left.

Q

So the effect of this would be that, if we're doing an inspection or whatnot and find it a garbage disposal.

Q

We'll ask the the restaurant or food service establishment to take it out.

Q

So but practically speaking, we don't think there are very many of those.

Q

Garbage disposals, obviously you put food in there, grease gets stuck to the food and then it goes down the drain and it sticks to the sewer.. So.

Q

That's that's why we would be getting rid of those.

Q

Beyond that, there aren't any significant operational differences. The other changes that we made as the as the synopsis said.

Q

Is a lot of restructuring of the way the ordinance is written.

Q

That's to make it easier for the regulated community to read and understand it.

Q

It's much more in an outline form as opposed to a lot of long paragraphs and then all of the enforcement response.

Q

Language is cat is placed in a new chapter at the end.

Q

Which will make it easier for both the regulating community and for cbu as we're dealing with enforcement situations?.

Q

I'm happy to take any questions.

A

Thank you for the thorough presentation councillor. mr. baum.. So what's the significance of the change of the definition of a new?.

C

Food establishment.

Q

It's it's really no different than what we've been doing.

Q

Operationally it is food service, establishment that is being built has been sold.

Q

Remodeled, what's the other thing?, it's the same standards that we've been using for so.

C

If you, just if you have one place, taking the place of another and they're doing the same, thing. they're still a new there and still a new.

Q

Yeah,, if it's, if you buy somebody else's restaurant,, you're, a new food service, establishment. yes, right.

C

So what does that mean that you have to do it? You have to put into the grease trap.. If there's no grease interceptor., you will probably need to put in a grease interceptor.. Yes,.

C

What if your son takes over the restaurant.

Q

That's a good question.

A

Other questions,, I.

A

Had a couple was just stepping back a bit sanitary sewer overflows,, which we've been correcting over time, and if you think the last one was on south walnut.

A

The chronic ones and that one is completed.

A

Treated to chronic.

Q

We've been doing capital projects to improve the situation with chronic ones.

Q

One of the challenges we have as we develop as we create new chronic ones, as you add demand to the sewer.

Q

So we have some locations in a couple of places that we are actually.

Q

Asking people who have new projects to enlarge sewers in order to prevent overflows in specific locations.

Q

I see we're doing that okay, and- and there was a warning from the city during that in huge that you mentioned where there was a.

A

Danger of a sanitary sewer floated it occurred. oh,. We had lots of.

Q

Yeah, we had more than 20 sanitary sewer filling. It was just unavoidable because of the.

A

Amount of water was just too great yeah.

Q

One of the things that this is the the flooding was so.

Q

Extreme during that event, that we had a lot of places where the water actually pulled up on top of.

Q

The manhole covers manhole, covers, have vents in them, and the water goes right down. The vent, right?.

Q

So we had places where the flooding was so intense that.

Q

Storm water was flowing right into the into the sanitary sewers.

Q

Through through openings that were that were there on purpose, that was an extreme event.

Q

What we were trying to do, the chronic ones when you don't have that much rain in a two day period.

Q

We're trying to eliminate all the chronic ones and prevent as many of the other ones as we possibly can, and that's the sewer cleaning crew.

Q

We have the tv truck that can go down and run the television camera through your through your sewer.

Q

And they can do that and then we have they can clean it or we have other trucks that can, if it's a bigger plug, we have other trucks that can go and clean.

Q

Them out., so we work all the time to clear blockages out of sewers., I see.

A

Good to know- and my other question was a specific update of local limits- we have.

A

Is the are the entities that might release things like, say, a metal ring metal, finishing plant or something.

A

Is that self reporting the way it works? Is?.

Q

They have to be permitted by cbu, so they go through a permit application process and as part of that, permit application process, they have to do.

Q

Testing to demonstrate that they're, satisfying both the categorical standards, if there are.

Q

Categorical standards and the local limits before they can be issued at a permit when they're issued the permit any.

Q

Categorical standards that apply and any local in all the local limits that apply are put into their new permit and then.

Q

There's a reporting period that a reporting frequency that they have to report to us.

Q

If we think there may be a problem, we can go back and we can go and do sampling.

Q

Ourselves and that's all part of our permitting process., okay good.

A

Other questions,, okay, seeing none! I let's go to the public.

A

Okay,, no public. That would like to comment we're back to council for final comment or other questions on ordinance. 1905.

A

It's called question: anyone.

A

Say wait, I had one other one, man.

J

You're in charge. okay,, I'm interested about these fogs.

A

Just because of you know, they're, it's like a sci-fi movie., sometimes looking at these things,. But it's it's frightening, because I understand that they would be hugely problematic.

A

Can you treat them with microbial?

A

additives like does that work?? It really doesn't work, because.

Q

Because the water that would be carrying the microbes flows right through the pipe. yeah.

Q

And once you've got the stuff in there, you're, pretty much stuck with it. okay., all right that my hope.

A

We're happy to take anyone any any council members who'd like to go watch this vacuum this. The grease out of the lift station.

Q

You're all welcome to come. Okay, time., all right,, we'll you know,, so we don't all go at once.

A

We might have quorum, that's yeah, we'll make appointments. yeah,. So the question has been called.

A

Ordinance 1905 with a clerk please. call the roll., yes, council, member sander. yes.. Yes,.

F

Yes, yes, servo yes. thank you. thank you.. Thank you. That's adopted six zero. thank you., mr.

A

Kelson: five: zero sir., sorry, five, zero one. yes,, sir.

A

Thank you, all right. That concludes our legislation for second reading. We have no legislation for first reading. We have time for additional public comment.

A

See no public will now go on to council schedule so.

A

Mr. sherman, do we have an anticipated cancellation of committee of the whole meeting for february 27th?.

H

Your consideration of the transportation plan. Subsequently, you cancelled a special session, but.

H

No meeting is scheduled for next week.. That's a reminder, a reminder that tomorrow now we have the state of the city.

H

The question is: do we hold a council work session? Is friday.

H

It would typically cover matters coming up with the next legislative cycle.

H

That's march 6, where bleep we would have a regular session?.

H

Committee the whole and we skip a week for spring break and then we meet on march 20th.

H

There are two items on that cycle: one. you're, familiar with that's the confirmatory resolution for cataland.

H

So thats would be coming up on the six.. We also have an ordinance that.

H

Would deal with.

H

City initiated towing fees., they haven't been changed in 15 years or so, and.

H

City legal is proposing that they be raised, so that's something that could be ready for the next cycle and it's something you can talk about on friday.

H

Do you want to meet to discuss that item?.

H

Okay, is, is the session already scheduled? yes. okay, so,, all right.

A

Is who are interested in going to the work session on friday?.

A

For those items, confirmatory resolution and towing fees is initiated by city legal.. I.

A

Think those are pretty straightforward.

A

So, is there a motion to cancel their motion to cancel our work session for friday, second?, okay,.

A

All in favor say aye any opposed. We've cancelled that work session.. Is there anything else to consider? mr. shermin?.

J

City leader, the city tomorrow, 7:00 7:00 p.m. at the bus jump and.

A

Okay,, if nothing else,, is there a motion for adjournment so moved there. A second second. okay,, all in favor,, say aye we're adjourned.